Stossel is correct. Everything the federal government touches they fuck up. They fucked us Indians over initially, than they started programs to keep them crippled afterwards. The hand that gives is above the hand that takes - and that is what the government wants - to control what happens to us Indians
Natives have given the second most contributions and sacrificed and lost the most for the USA...Natives have contributed to agriculture, ecology, a plateform for the U.S Consitution, technology, businesses, resources, military services, land, medicines etc, which created trillions for the United States...Stossel is being a idiot and spreading stereotypes...He should ge over himself..."Freeloaders" he should look into his own history!!!
2007 U.S Census studies: there are over 237,000 Native American businesses and it is expected to be over 300,000 by 2011 Census Studies.
Basicaly what they are saying is that Native Americans today generate over 60 billions in net profits and pay billions of dollars in taxes...The census has only counted half the Native population and has under counted Native business numbers
On the state and local government levels, tribal communities contribute $246 million in tax revenues annually, and the combined purchases of goods from reservations total $5.5 billion on an annual basis.
Business Marketing Website: "Native Americans are expected to see their buying power jump from $47.7 billion in 2004 to $65.6 billion in 2009"…2002 Census: “Tribal businesses have contributed to $10 billion in wage and salary income to the United States. This has generated between $4-6 billion in federal tax revenue annually”
2002 U.S Census figures for NA >>> 197,300: Number of American Indian and Alaska Native-owned businesses $34.3 billion: Revenues generated by these businesses…6.5% of the nation's 3.0 million minority-owned firms represented by these businesses…$174,100 Average receipts of an American Indian and Alaska Native-owned firm…About 19% of all Native males have served in the military (the highest per-capita).
translated from the iroquois articles of confederation - meetings between Iroquois officials and the founding fathers
"American Indigenous ideas permeate the constitution. These ideas include the concept that freedom is a natural right, that Government should operated by a system of checks and balances, that the best Government is the least government, that leaders are public servants who can be impeached, and that civil and military powers are best separated."
@REZiCMEALTiME - Then why is unemployment currently lower among Asian-Americans lower than it is among White Americans? Are Whites racist against whites?
@REZiCMEALTiME - It's really, really not like saying that at all. You should try actually watching the video. Go beyond the title, and watch the video.
Wonder how it is that bones belonging to the white man have been found on this land, that are older then Indian bones found. How about bones found older then the white man found, that belong to those of Chinese descent. I wonder, are people aware that Indians owned black and white slaves?
He said the same thing in his freeloaders special. His point is that Indian tribes are socialist and live on handouts and yet they are the poorest people around. Handouts and wealth re-distribution keep people down which is absolutely true.
@tenkins Natives have the fastest growing population and economy in the world and are the second weathiest minority according to a 2007 U.S Census study!!! And how a tribe operates is none of your business!!!
@tenkins You respond to me with "Fuck You" than you remove your comment? My people aren't making the America in debt, that would be the federal government, oil driven wars, companies talking jobs over seas, federal reserve and banks that is taking money from Whites (it's mostly Whites taking money and resources from Whites and non Whites)...It's "socialist capitalism" "corporatism" and "marxism" blended together!!! Natives have contrbuted the second most contributions and have lost the most!!!
@tenkinsThe U.S Government has corporatism, fascism, socialism, communism and it is imperialistic…You should worry about what your Government, bankers and elit are doing to this country…The U.S Government is EVIL!!!
You don’t get it…When you have been out debated you throw insult like a little child…Grow up!!!
Give me a example of Tribes being Socialist? BTW, The U.S Constitution was influenced by Native Americans.
@LJM331 - BTW, the US Constitution was not actually influenced by Native Americans. But there is no evidence of this. I assume you are talking about the Iroquois Confederacy.
It's true that Castanego suggested in 1744 that the colonies unite, but this wasn't a new idea to the colonists by any means. William Penn had suggested it in 1697, and he wasn't the first, or the last.
The framers of the Constitution liked the Iroquois Confederacy, but they really, really loved Locke and Montesquieu.
Wednesday, September 16, 1987 100th Cong. 1st Sess.133 Cong Rec S 12214
REFERENCE: Vol. 133 No. 140
TITLE: SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 76 -- TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE IROQUOIS CONFEDERACY OF NATIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND TO REAFFIRM THE CONTINUING GOVERNMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INDIAN TRIBES AND THE UNITED STATES
It's a political bill, for political gains. And absolutely harmless. Inaccurate, but harmless.
Thinking the Iroquois Confederacy gave the founders the idea for a confederacy is just wrong. It impressed them, they liked it, but it was by no means news to them. The idea was 100 years old to them when they found out the Indians had something similar.
@mpc91 You are a westernized white biggot there is plenty of documents in Washington...Even Adrew Jackson said he admired the Native American democracies, but is was a Anglo Biggot and sent prosperous indepenent Tribes such the Choctaw, Cherokee amoung others on the trial of tears.
Early societies like Britian, Spain, Romans, Greeks, early America and Canada looted Tribes, eachother and other countries for wealth...There was no Liberty in those societies!!!
@mpc91 And you are a bigot...Get over yourself...NativeHistorian is right and stossel is a jackass who cries around about money...The government has been nothing but a dictator of my people!!!
@mikeNM08 - You are also missing the point. NativeHistorian is also missing the point. You hear the word "help", but miss the sarcasm.
Stossel agrees that the government has been extremely harmful to the Native American population - that government bureaucracy that claims to be "helpful" is anything but. That tribes that function on their own without government interference do much, much, much better.
Calling me a bigot shows that you are directing your anger in the wrong direction.
@mpc91 blame your own government for everything...Do you think I like the federal government? No! The U.S Government is the most Imperialistic Regime in wold history...This government has been involved in more wars than all other countries combined during the last 300 years...This government is ruled by corporations...The biggest problem is "Corporatism"
@mikeNM08 - I would call it "Crony Capitalism", but you're on the right basic track.
As for the U.S. Government being the most imperialistic regime in World History, that ignores the rest of world history.
The US has hardly been involved in more wars than all other countries combined in the past 300 years, and a great number of those wars were started by forces outside the United States.
The Federal Government recognizes four types of Governments in the United States which are Tribal, State, City and County. These four rule on the basis of “Sovereignty” but Tribes have been denied Sovereignty
more than others, it’s been a dictatorship resembling communism and fascism.
Article 1, Section 8: Congress shall regulate commerce with and enter into treaties with foreign nation… and with Indian tribes.
@mpc91 Poverty is when a person or community isn't self sufficient...A person or community can be self sufficient by building a community that depends on farming, hunting and gathering while using a barter system...A person can be self sufficient by operating their own business, a community can operate itself by having many bussinesses in the community...A person, community or country ISN'T self self sufficient if they loot others to get wealthy <--- This is a dependent state!!!
@tenkins You are a stupid idiot..."Tribes"? you mean societies? Natives societies preach freedom of the individual in any particular society, just like the American society…In America you have “Freedom of Association“ were you can choose to be a member of a cultural or religious group (Amendment 1) or be a individualist...And Tribal governments are the creation of your U.S Government you moron, the Feds dictate the Reservations, and Natives don’t want the Feds interfering.
@mpc91 He said "indians are the most helped", actually the would be white people and this country is heavily Eurocentric in the way it thinks...America wants people to live in a anglo dominated society as individuals...Actually America is a melting pot of cultures, religions, parties, government agencies, businesses, private organizations...Understand???
@TheNativeHistorian - No, you don't understand, apparently. All of the things you mention have absolutely nothing to do with the video. Not a word of it. None of those are disputed whatsoever.
When Stossel talks about help, listen to how he says "help", it drips with sarcasm. The "help" comes with extra government control and more regulation, and less freedom. HE'S NOT CLAIMING THAT ITS A GOOD THING. Quite the opposite.
"Indians who get away from government management, they thrive in America".
@mpc91 No, you don't understand, apparently, all of the things you and stossel mention have absolutely nothing to do with the state of Native Americans...It was oppresseion and bigotry against people and their...The Reservations need to be overhauled and education, law enforcement, cultures, businesses, land and resources should be according to what the Native people want and not by American society and Government...Everything I said is relevant to the state of Natives and their contributions..
@tenkins You are a racist white supremist...Get over yourself!!! Everyone has there share of Poverty you idiot...You are a angry person who can't debate without throwing insults and it only shows that you are childish...BTW, Whites are the most helped by the Government and everyone in the world knows that.
@tenkins Stop whinning...You just heard some truth...You are a freaking angry moron...Go complain to your Government...Everything that is wrong with America is the fault of the U.S Government operated by majority Whites...Truth hurts!!! I can be a Asshole too, just like you...Get the fuck over yourself!!!
God Bless You Superdave. The Indians thank you. Hang in there. We need all the positive voices we can. It seems that some people never opened a history book including Stossel.
@missindianrunyan First-'the Indians thank you'- are you the spokesperson? 2nd-if you opened a history book, you'd know that Native Americans didn't think it wrong to take land by force either.They often did it brutally themselves. That's how people settled things everywhere, sad but true. The issue is RESULTS not intenions of govt. Stossel says govt screws it all up -war on drugs, schools, welfare, Indians, military. If Indians weren't assisted by govt, they'd do better.
@mpc91 Why are you bringing up Tribal wars??? a few Natives fought over land and when resources were low...But pre columbian North America used a barter system and had the weathiest agriculture in the world...Goods were made and traded, the people were better fed compared to most of the world...They had cleaner cities, towns and villages compared to Europe and there was never any major plaques...Tribal leaders were elected and they were the voice of the people. All this kept wars to a Minimum!!!
@LJM331 - I was bringing up tribal wars in response to an argument with a nut.
As for your "fought over land and when resources were low", is very similar to what Europeans fought over, they just had a much higher population density. This also explains the plagues. It does explain though, the wealth and technology gap from more people who didn't need to farm for a living.
The Native population was over 30 million in 1491 with the south west and the eastern N. America was doted with cities, towns and villages...The western N. America had towns and villages from Alaska to California...Spanish diseases reduced the population to 12 milion by time the English arrived...Most people in Europe lived in poverty with the Kings and military ruled and waged war over resources because they couldn't sustain themselves...Europe actually had less people and more imperialistic
@LJM331 - The number of natives in 1491 is highly suspect, and varies by orders of magnitude depending on who you ask. There really is no way of knowing. They kept no written records, so any numbers are at best, speculation.
Most people all over the world were living in poverty, most people in North America, Asia and Africa were too. But Europe was beginning to climb out, based on free trade, and rule of law.
Europe was more imperialistic? Aztecs, Incas, do these ring bells with you?
Why shouldn't they get help? After all this was their land, their home until the white people decided they wanted it. After all the Oklahoma land was rich in oil as was a lot of other states. They were hearded up like animals in their Mississippi, Lousiana and other states and driven across unsettled, mountains and rivers to an unknown land known then as Indian Territory. Now, Oklahoma. Thousands died on the "Trail of Tears". They could never, never give them what they deserve.
He is not saying that Native Americans do not deserve the government's "help". Rather he is simply saying that they are not helped by the government's "help". Notice the quotes around the word help. By "help" he means government money. But if this "help" fails to improve the lives of Native Americans, is it really "help"ing them? Stossel clearly thinks that Native Americans would live better lives without this "help". Does that make him a racist?
@rmcfad1 - That is the case with ALL people on assistance, it looks racist because they are just talking about natives......also there were 50 million natives that lost their lives in America alone....to say"no group had more help than any other" is a joke......maybe the jews didn't get as much "help" as native americans did, but they still benifited greatly.......
Seriously are you that dense? You know there was slavery? You know many peoples did harm other peoples, and the Indians are the only ones getting help, and probably being hurt by it. Also the overwhelming factor contributing to decline of population was disease (30-80%). You also exaggerate, the estimates of original population is between 1-18mln.
@serialkiller1990 -lol the only ones getting help, the white population on welfare exceeds our total population, and "1-18mln." what is "min"??? do you mean million?? sounds like you are the dense one here. And what the hell does slavery have to do with anything on this page??? and last but not least are you black
@rmcfad1 You need to listen to what the Natives are saying...Stossol is only repeating what the Natives have been saying the last 400 years...There's nothing special about Stossel, he gets paid millions to complain about money...He is playing the victim.
I think that is one of the most racist statements that I have yet to hear on Fox! Native American & Indigenous people around the world have been beaten, murdered, raped, BURNED ALIVE, hell I could go on & on, but it makes me sick to even think about what my ancestors did to these people(HUMAN BEINGS) We are all one race, folks & that's what it all boils down to. I have no point, really, except open your hearts & maybe your eyes just for a few seconds & this statement should infuriate you!
What you described had happened to many peoples, and surprisingly also to Europeans.
You realize that your attitude means that if there was this kind of problem (with you think there is not), then you would close any room for discussion, and solving it?
All you do is call names.
Stossel pointed out that other minorities that may had been hurt by US have no such "props".
The fact also is that the atrocities that you refer to had been mainly made by colonial gov.
@serialkiller1990 -"What you described had happened to many peoples, and surprisingly also to Europeans" are you serious...Europeans have been killing each other in numbers and ways no other people do...and your from Poland...what does this page have to do with you???? besides proving that Europeans have never been and never will be able to mind their own business
@Superdave1ize - "Killing each other in ways no other people do"... are you that ignorant of world history, or just trying to advance a political agenda.
Every continent has a history of tribal wars, they just advanced technologically at different rates. No one continent can claim any high ground here. It happened in Africa, Asia, Australia and in the Americas.
Native American "tribes" fought just as many wars as did European "nations",
@mpc91 - Well look at ww2 60 million people were killed, this happened in the last century thats totals are around 180 million, and you compare that to the native way of counting coup??? i hear that all the time from people and were are your facts?? you cannot rely on those old-timey westerns you know, were everyone is after those settlers, and know who is it??? Muslims?? who was it before and who is next.... i have no " political agenda" and thats what causes this to happen in the first place!
@Superdave1ize - You don't want facts, you think WORLD War II was fought just in Europe. Never mind the Japanese were using Koreans and Chinese civilians for bayonet practice.
I'm not relying on "Westerns" as you say, but rather history. Europeans may have been better organized from about 1500 on, but why is are a few big wars better than hundreds of smaller ones.
Why did all the tribes around the Sioux hate them? Didn't the Aztecs sacrifice their enemies?
@mpc91 -Bullshit why are you on a page that talks about Americans and their greed towards the originals? what i said was in contrast to your saying that the "natives had more wars b.s."you guys are constantly in wars,or think on a personal level,why do you people feel the nee to try and blame your problems on all people,you take credit were credit isn't due and then when confronted with facts you say 'everyone does that"you cannot take the inside and sweep the outside bets,thats called cheating
@Superdave1ize - Where do you think you are? This isn't a page about Americans and greed towards the originals, it's a page about the failure of government. How are you missing that. It's not even really about "originals", it doesn't blame them. You may hear that if you want to, but that's not what's said. It shows successful "originals" living without government "help".
You are the one attempting to blame your problems on others. You are the one trying to make one group seem worse than another
@Superdave1ize - An honest days work usually applies to blue collar worker or someone that is used to labor work for a living, reporting is considered more play than work by blue collar people. Stossel talks like he is on morel highground and acually took free scooters that the government offered, thats what i call a hypocritical freeloader.
Natives recieve the lowest rate of funding from the Government for education, law enforcement, housing, ect. compared to any other group, county, town/city and state...Natives (past to preset) have helped generated trillions for America and given key contributions to the development of America...Natives today generate billions in taxes while our economy is worth over 60 billion...Natives have given alot more than taken and that is a fact...Stossel is distorting facts and giving lies.
@TheNativeHistorian - oh shit the truth, run !!! na.. The whole world has benifited from the new world and ultimatly the Native American, the facts people get are not the good ole' westerns that made up the edumacat1on of Americans towards the natives anymore, it's now took the form of misinformation by the corupt media and a ever more brash and illegal government, and It's bigger than our own government i do believe, two words( the Rothchilds)
cont--Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined, so you rich people have manipulated the poor for years and still do, just because i make $25 an hour and my tribe is the largest employer in my region,( that i get $ from) and all my family are professionals and i'm a native that moved ahead no matter what, i still do not believe in politics and mostly the GOP which has been for rich, white(hope i didn't hurt anyones poor feeling ) prodistant bigots.
@Superdave1ize "Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined"
And most of this is because of leguslation coming out of DC from both Dems and R.I.N.O. repuplicans that give them monoplies. Which is why I say we need to get the govenment back in line with the constitution. And you do know that the democarts that you back get far more money from these so-called evil corporations then republicans do.
@Superdave1ize - Except that the wealthy you vilify create wealth. They don't destroy it. You don't get wealthy by stealing, you get wealthy by giving other people what they want. In great numbers.
You act as if economics is a zero sum game, like their is a limited supply of wealth, and rich people just take it from poor people. But that's just not the case. They get wealthy by helping others, creating jobs, taking chances. Gov't handouts are the problem. Not job creators.
@mpc91 You have no clue on the state of Native Americans do you? First of all Native Americans have the fastest growing economy in the world!!! Secondly they receive the lowest funding for education, law enforcement, subsidies, disaster relief compared to Whites or any other racial groups…And our businesses don’t get corporate bailouts, Natives have to learn form trial and error…This Stossel is a very negative man and he his spreading ignorant stereotypes, does he ever smile and enjoy life?
@mpc91 We have a problem with corrupted elite who use government to steal our resources from the reservations, We don't have a problem with people who create jobs...Welfare does keep people in poverty to a certain extent, but the major reason is Government and Corporate dictatorship of the Reservations...The Government should give "trust land" back to the Natives and this will free up land!!! The issue is "Sovereignty"...Understand???
@LJM331 - I agree with pretty much all of this. Don't know why you're so angry, but I suspect it's because you're misunderstanding Stossel here. He's arguing against government handouts and government control.
He's not disparaging the Native Americans in any way, whatsoever. He points out that those who have lived without government interference have been very successful.
I think you're venting your anger at the wrong people.
cont-- because of the "dominate societies"( see i used dominate society instead of white people to not hurt anyones feelings) lack of concern for the environment, there are vast tracks of trees the are dying in the west because of climate change, the redwoods will never grow in their proper state again, you know it is easy for you to judge what is done with an areas natural resources if you are not from that area, and what have you benifited from GOP's policies?400 people in this country-cont--
@Superdave1ize This is another one of those misconceptions passed around by ignorant liberals. That conservatives are only about money and they don't care about the enviroment. A person is labeled this if they don't buy into the non-scientifc global warming nonsense. Or now climate change since it's a fact that the earth has been cooling over the last 10 to 15 years. Rather than admit they are wrong, they change the argument. True to form with liberals who never have fact or logic on their side.
@aquietguy - Global warming? you need to update your self !! it's called climate change and i suppose you are all behind your heros on this one to, you are a very predictable person and are brainwashed which may not have been to hard to accomplish, you are just another retarted GOP that is for big money, big oil, and anti-environment. In my area we have black-ash trees that are a traditional tree of the natives that is used for making baskets, artwork, tools this tree is dissappearing-cont-
@Superdave1ize I know it's called climate change, but you didi read that in my post did you? And the reason it's called climate change now and not global warming is because they couldn't keep up that lie. So they had to change the argument. What what lying dishonest people do. But doesn't the climate change every year? Every year it starts and end cold and gets hot in the middle. We call that seasons. I can't wait how will they explain that?
@aquietguy - My professor and most of the unbiased scientists agree that there is change occuring, you cannot pull weight out of the earth(oil), burn it (carbon emission) and expect no effects, you can expect people to have; denial, fear, guilt and obviously special interests....scientists have an interest in the facts and thank god have no fears. Sun angles have everything to do with the seasons.........thats all the seasons are.......SUN ANGLES
@Superdave1ize I wouldn't say unbiased. But when has there ever been a time when change didn't occur? And why have there been periods in the past when it was warmer than it is today when there were no SUV's? If carbon emissions were so important, why is it that the earth has cooled over the last 10 to 15 years while CO2 has increased significantly? Why do you think they changed from global warming to climate change? And why did we have the climate gate scandal?
@aquietguy - Well there is way to much info that was presented to me by a professor in a period of 6 months, the facts are in my persoonal testimony...there has been massive change within my short liftime...and it is impossible to change sides on this two- sided issue.....only time will tell
@Superdave1ize There have always been change. Some times more change at different points than others. The fact is that the sun is responsible for most of our climate. Not man. Our solar system goes through cycles. The whole solar system was warming. Global warming or climate change(what ever the globalist want to call it) is just the lastest excuse by the globalist to push for world government. If that don't work, which it won't, they will go back to the drawing board to find another excuse.
@Superdave1ize - But it's money that plants more trees. We have more trees in the US than we ever have before. Because money gives people an incentive to plant them. Who has a greater interest in the ongoing supply of trees than a logger does?
Private ownership of land ensures that it will be cared for. Public ownership of land leads to all the troubles you speak of.
Collectivism is the great polluter. The dirtiest places on Earth are communist.
John Stossel is a libertarian and his "people" get $92 billion a year in federal government monies? sounds to me like someone is trying to protect special interests.......what a hypocrite.........shows that they are have been and still are in the process of the dumbing down of America, and all people will soon know what it means to be subjugated and most Native american tribes (like mine) are on top and the regions largest employer!! we have faught for it all and kept our own culture all along!!
@Superdave1ize So Stossel was wrong about the, I belevie it was, Lumbee tribe or what ever they were. They don't get handouts and are doing very well. The tribes that are getting the handouts are in poverty. Common sense should be kicking in. Well you would think. You are as idiotic as that that woman he interveiw if you beleive tribes need more help. They need for the government to get out of their way and give them that land as opposed to living on land that the governemt owns.
@Superdave1ize If you weren't so hateful to whites for stuff that whites today had nothing to do with, you could seee that you are the fool ranting and posting insults.
@Superdave1ize Also, for every tree cut down something like 6 to 10 are planted. Or else the lumber industry would have been out of buisness long ago.
@aquietguy -"fred has a snow day" i finally looked at your profile(i usually do only if i want to be freinds, bcause we have a thing called class !! hahahahah) an dude you are a white homosexual all along race baiting, and this is all based on a blind black man...hahahahah...my country is filled with trash !!! hahahahahaha
The relentless expansion of corporate control over our political economy has proven nearly immune to daily reporting by the mainstream media. Corporate crime, fraud and abuse have become a major problem. This is largely because expected accountability mechanisms -- including boards of directors, outside accounting and law firms, bankers and brokers, state and federal regulatory agencies and legislatures -- are inert or complicit. <<< A statment by Ralph Nader.
The truth is that American Indian tribes do need help. But what we need help with is far different than what John Stossel is griping about. The help we need is simply keeping the United States honest and living up to its trust responsibility. Rather than bringing America together, Stossel’s colossal ignorance undermines reconciliation and breeds contempt and discrimination. The fact remains that hundreds of other "entities" receieve far more "help" than the Native Americans.
@Superdave1ize And all the white they are constantly trying to find more things to spend on meaning they will have to borrow even more. Soon they will be up to borrowing 1/2. I don't know. Our politcians have to be the dumbest people, which I doubt, arethey know exactly what they are doing and their up to something. I would have to say it's more of the latter.
Today there are hundreds of others who really get the most "help" All you have to do is look at the annual federal budget to see what I am talking about. There is a $62 billion prescription drug benefit and farming subsidies top $15 billion. The libertarian CATO Institute had the federal government spent $92 billion insubsidies to businesses and private-sector corporate entities, the United States spends less on American Indian health care per person than it does on federal prisoners.
@Superdave1ize "Today there are hundreds of others who really get the most" I agree 100%. This is why we have a government that spends more money than it takes in in taxes every year. Which means that they have to borrow every year to meet all bligations. Right now the government has to borrow 1/3 of the money it needs. That would be like a person that makes 50,000 a year but spent 75,000 and having to borrow 25,000 a year. That's insane but that's what our government is doing.
Johnny boy wonders why there is Bureau of Indian Affairs? Perhaps if he had cracked a book in high school, he would have learned that the BIA was established in 1824 as part of the United States Department of War, I’m pretty sure the Puerto Rican, Black, or Irish would have enthusiastically turned down the "rights" to their own bureau in the Department of War under similar circumstances ,But it is Stossel’s foolish use of the word “helped” that unintentionally reminds us of our history.
The only people who cryed and ARE STILL CRYING are non-natives!! get it through your thick skulls and STOP PUTTING WORDS IN OUR MOUTHS we know all about the "concept" of this counrty REMEMBER WE WERE HERE FIRST DING-DONGS!!! and if "WE" want to quit "crying" lets stop talking about ALL things that happened in the past; bible,black death,civil war,ww1,ww2,911 after all why "cry" about these things....they happened in the past ....DIPSHITS....look at YOUR OWN RACE before talking about another
""And all I asked to begin with is how long are people supposed to go on and on about what happened 200 and three hundred years ago? No one can change the past so it makes no sesne to constantly dwell on it."" Well, maybe if all people were treated as equals none of this would be an issue...Perhaps working with eachother and letting Natives control their own destiny and allowing Tribes to implement their own traditional Governments would make everything all better.
How old are YOU? i have a feeling that you are around 80? and if thats the case come on, you deserve respect...don't put youself in a position of disrespect
Native Americans: Stossel is not subordinating you in any way. He's pointing out that you will fare far better WITHOUT gov't aid, that's all. The correlation exists: most aid = poorest counties in USA (and problems w/ drugs, violence..)
I know all about the brutality of USA's conquest but practically every land has been fought for, disputed, or conquered even to this day. Natives fought back like any other country, but we won. To the victor goes the spoils right?
Native People have filed lawsuits against certain corporations & the Feds over "trust land" and other corruption..Native American Individuals are now filing lawsuits against the Church & Government over abuse, rapes and murders in Christian & Government operated abusive schools..Individual Natives are making claims against and want an investigation of over thousands of murders of Native Women in the North America..All this didn't all happen 200 yrs ago, they deserve an investigation & justice.
@TheNativeHistorian If all this murder and rape is true I would be the first one backing natives because I'm for what's right. Not color. The government does injustes to all races. Which is why I keep saying they have gotten way too big and needs to be down sized.
May the grandfathers watch over you, and blessings to you today. People don't like the truth, so they tend to spit back. Or say derogatory things against an Indian. They don't like it, because it's the truth, the White man massacred innocent Indians, you can't erase history,
@Superdave1ize No ones trying to erase history. No one said that whites didn't kill natives and so did natives kill whites. Natives also massacred other natives. That should not be erased either.
@aquietguy - You know you keep running your mouth about these facts so i want you to show proof! and i don't mean your old westerns, if you want facts look at all the wars the natives have started after all the indian wars were done, and how many the whites have been in, the violence in Indian country is mostly non- indian on indain!, because of people like YOU!! that is the facts, and look at Africa!!! they are killing and eating their own over there! by the millions, you got alot to learn
Go to Africa and see the similarities to the inner-city America ya ding-dong, and if you think you can run Natives down to make yourself feel better about your own race you are barking up the wrong tree pale(exuse the pum) do you live in the south? thats the only place were blacks worked, and only on farms at that. when you talk about someones race you better be damn well ready to look nat your own, but then again i have to remember who i'm talking to! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
@Superdave1ize Once again, if you comprhene it, I agree with what you say about blacks. I say the same things. But I still tell the truth no matter what race. I just tell it like it is and dare anyone to prove me wrong on anything I have said.
I had a real freeloader from the "inner city" rob me at gunpoint and got some money off me(being native and used to hunting AND SHOOTING)i tracked him through the streets with a pipe that i had found him, a cabie had seen me with the pipe and asked "whats going on" i told him and he reported it as he took me over near the robber, i was going to smash this "human" in the scull but i held him on the ground as the police got there! went to it's trial and seen it off to prison, these are blindpeople
Lets talk about MONEY....thats the reason that all the non-natives are pissed off!!! well FYI most Native Americans give a RATS ASS about money! you can see it on any rez that has money, all the non-native parasites that feed off "INDIAN MONEY" from trying to get our women to selling their drugs or the non-native women chasing the native men (for a good child support check) you people look like a pack of vultures, and have the balls to call US the freeloadres!! ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN from us!!!
@aquietguy - You are a bigot, why can't you people keep you nose out of everybodies bussiness? just because your people live without code doesn't mean you can just talk about blacks, indians, and who else you can point the finger at! all you have to do is look in the mirror! white people have and still are THE SINGLE MOST DEPENDANT GROUP WHEN IT COMES TO THE GOVERNMENT>>>>BAR NONE!!!!, you talk like you have nothing to do with it! thats how YOU GOT HERE!! your European homelands gov money hahaha
@Superdave1ize If telling it like it is and not giving a damb about political correctness means being a bigot, then yes I guess I am. However, nothing that I said is wrong. And if you think I'm hard on Native Americans, then you need to read what I say about blacks. Here's a question. What percentage of whites are dependent on the goverment as opposed to other raceses?
Obama and congress recently passed the "Tribal law and order Act', which gives the "tribal judicial system" the authority to arrest and charge "non tribal members" and "coporations" who commit a crime against a tribal member or who violates "tribal laws"...It's funny how republicans want State Rights but don't want Tribal Rights, and Liberals who believe in Big Government want and respect Tribal "sovereignty"...aquietguy, I'm a Independent and I'm Anti Big Government, I follow the Green Party.
The Native American culture as many aspects of "personal responsibily"...The main issue is "corparate controlled Government", example: The Government agencies has control of "trust land"...Trust land is one way government agencies control the resources of trust land and allow big coroporations to mine for resources, mean while the tribal members feel the brunt of pollution from uranium and coal mining...We don't want Feds dictating our lives...By "Treaty Right" Tribes are sovereign nations.
Part of the problem is their are a mulitude of issues that the natives face, but some want to equate money with"Indians"prolly because by rights we should have a crazy amount that they would be do(most natives could care less about the all mighty dollar) another is the guilty conscience and the "'hero complex" that aflicts some of the delusional. The denial of the fact that Americans are not the real natives to this land causes some to "come up" with any kind of disclaimer to deny this fact
I would like to see these guys 100 and something years after most of there loved ones were victims of genocide, there children were shipped to evil religous boarding schools to be abused mentally, physically, and sexually and subjected to diseases which had nothing to do with there bilogical make up. If you want to see what a retchid government can do to people come to the reservation because soon enough its gonna come full circle to our generation.
TheNativeHistorian - wow i didn't know i get welfare? you must to huh? listening to the wise words of a quite guy, what a BS name to give yourself when your mouth runs from the power of an empty head, i'll be willing to bet that my family has done more true work(labor) more people that have served in the military and are informed on other peoples history than MR."Quite guy", when i sit with a native elder they convey peace, wisdom and are tuely quite and humble, they ignore the ignornace
@Superdave1ize Do we get corporate welfare? No...Do our wealthy Native business take their corporation to another country and exploit slave labor of others? No, they employ Americans...Do we get the most "percapita" of welfare? No, actually we recieve the least...I gave examples in my other comments.
Native Americans have made the second most contributions to America and People would rather cry around about money...This is what materialistic people do most of their lives, "cry over money"
I live my life in ahonest, humble way WITH THE TRUTH! i wonder why white people do not start to live their lives, to us they still live up to the old " lame white man" name that the natives gave them so long ago. prolly after being called every name in the book by the whites! oh yea, i forgot the white people have a crystel ball that enables them to see all peoples lives...even on the internet!!... and it works the same on all people! WoW, and here i thought it was just called PRE-JUDGING...pale
Stating facts is not "crying" it is a condition that some people say another is doing to get what they want, which only goes to show the people accusing others of this offence are actually the ones who are "crying" and is an exellent example of DENIAL and one of many reasons why these stereotypes still exist, i'll be wiiling to bet that most people who say the old "crying" thing has never even met a native! what do they expect we just sit there and take someones ignorance? True most don't care
TheNativeHistorian - yea, it's like you cannot tell some people to "forget" there are also women and men that were sterilized and obviously cannot have children ( part of the genocidal doctrines) and these people are still alive! oh yea forget about it that happened along time ago, well some people live with that kind of past abuse every day, kind of a sadisical form of life long tourture, i find it humorous when a people that have been here 200 years? tell native people about time, peace to all
There were over 50 million natives BEFORE the white man showed up, along with the pop of the natives plumeting the mass exstinctions of animals in his wake and both are still going on, i have had people murdered in my family by whites, most native families have horror stories about dealing with these "people" and nobody is crying but you people! watch T.V. yopu people are a bunch of over feed over paid "victims" of everyone that is non- white. GROW UP it is sad that we are stuck with you@ssh01es
Super: Yes, "over 50 million Natives before Euros came", there was1,000 Tribes with some large expanding civilizations in N. America until Spanish & English disease wiped out between 75 & 90% of the pop (400 yr Bloody wars also contributed)..Many have been damaged by the history of America, but we are still here and we are in the middle of a cultural & economic revolution..Those abusive individuals from the boarding schools should be hunted down & prosecuted & their fam should be given a apology
My tribes casino and resorts now are the single largest employer in the region that i live, most of the employees are white so are they being paid for the past crimes that their ancestors commited? no, what about all the government "jobs" that surround indian affairs? and remember that ALL of the money that goes into these most desolete tribes goes right back into the hands of whites! of course we don't talk about the114 billion Isreal gets that goes overseas never to return, NDN for life!!!!!!!
I would like to know what money people are talking about? yes i am Native American and a member of a federally recognized tribe, i along with all my family and freinds recieve NO MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT, we DO recieve some money from our casino that was built and paid for by our own resources, it started in a small pole building and grew, as far as the victim part goes nobody i know feels like a victim, so the money-victim senerio is a mute point. youre right about crimes that were commited
I do not know how must the Europeans were worried about diseases the spaniards were a very sick and sad people before stumbling on the new world, ditches in Spain were lined with the dead, left to rot in the sun, but they seem to have been doing very well ever since? what about all the other races of people who came here and have been doing well ever since? were is the thanks? all of my white friends that know me an other natives know what this world looks like through native eyes an non native
booley - I the case of theNative Americans it's more like the whole world, not just one people meets another people, in our culture we were taught to respect all the basic four races of people, but in this day and age of dog-eat- dog, no respect for none but you better respect me attitude, the native people being very humble and quiet in their demeaner let alot slide, but i don't just stand by and let people walk on, and lie about the people who were doing just fine until the recent past
booley - hey, to bad we cannot have a page for us people who are like minded and up for the truth, but you know how it is SOME people cannot mind there own bussiness and need to talk about other people and races, prolly because of some weakness in themselves, but what is new? my response to them is O.K. i'll talk about you then! It's written fact that Queen Elizabeth and all the white people did not even bath for a lifetime! wow! no wonder they left! to smelly, to bad it followed them. Ha Ha
@Superdave1ize Europeans for many centuries thought bathing would spread the plague. Not true but they thought it.
Anyway, this isn't about race. It's been normal when two cultures meet for the stronger one to to try to destroy the weaker one. People expected native americans to go extinct because that was how it was "supposed" to be.
It's only in the last 50 years that society decided this was actually a bad thing.
sybo59 - "privileges" you got more mouth than you do brains, you people are dilusional....who owns the banks-whitey, who owns the government-whitey, who owns the church-whitey, who owns the pollution-whitey ..well thats another story, the fact remains if you are not one of these top-dogs you are just a little white puppy and are considered trash by the true privileged of this country, and yes we do have a deep cocern for our country, it's been a mere 200 years for you people, kill,polute,lie FU
aquietguy - you know if you don't like this counrty nobody is stopping you from leaving, when you talk of natives wars in the past as a way of making up for what the white man has done well thats just fine for YOU as an individual, but most people with conscience know the truth, so keep watching your old-time westerns and get all you info from the sources that you can trust just as long as you do not get the truth, i mean why break your cycles of lieing, stay in denial you are a D.P.
aquietguy - you know if " we ' are going to talk about someones race that "we" for one thing our oral traditions tell us about our differences in the past, and the whites were the ones asking for help (french, english) and were manipulators from day one, the only B.S. in history are your comments, and of course history is written by the victors. As far as testimony to the characher of the white man well thats speaks volumes, you guys can;t go a year without war, and natives attacts on any? none!
Who the fuck is this dumbass? He answered his own question. If he's going to blame anyone for my peoples right to govern ourselves he needs to blame his government. He clearly skimmed over whatever bullshit history book he read.
John Stassel "Because we have the treaties and we stole THIER land" He makes it quite clear to me. He answers himself in his own statement. Silly white man....
booley- i know it was a typo..sorry...SSGurgs 24 - The truth is if you are not native chances are you know nothing about our daily lives..you may know money, but that is your problem, the money that some natives may get is far out wieghed by the money that was and still is being made in this country. Do you honestly believe that your people do without government more than mine, whites were dependent on the government before they came here and still are, what about the military?killing for $
Everyone bashing Stossel is ignorant of John Stossel. This man is purely for the free market. He believes if these tribal lands respected private property (like the tribe he mentioned) the Native Americans would be doing much better. Government dependency breeds ineptitude.
aquietguy-your statment "if blacks from Africa and Haitii can come here and do well for thenselves, anyone can." are you for real? look at Haitii( a land cleared of it's true natives for your race) it's a shithole except near were you people are slaves to the tourists, and Africa? the truth is YOUR people are the ones who are killing each other off every day!! look at my race ...do you see any of that shit happening? NO..your race will just come here and turn it into were you came from SHITHOLE
aquietguy-YOU are full of shit, who told you this info, your old-time westerns? if your statement "Like most indians killed were killed by aother indians. But is blaimed on the white man" was true why were there any indians left for the white man to kill? and why didn't the white man document such killings? Lazy? how do you know who i am? your from Africa huh? look at your counrty before you come here and look at mine, my race owns a multi-million dollar bussiness, what do you own? a cab?
@booley- YOU are full of shit, who told you this info, your old-time westerns? if your statement "Like most indians killed were killed by aother indians. But is blaimed on the white man" was true why were there any indians left for the white man to kill? and why didn't the white man document such killings? Lazy? how do you know who i am? your from Africa huh? look at your counrty before you come here and look at mine, my race owns a multi-million dollar bussiness, what do you own? a cab?
What kind of a job does Mr.Stossel do? fly around talking to people? noseing in on others bussiness? i'm native and work a real job and at the end of the day i know i did something! were does this guy get off talking about freeloaders...HE IS A FREELOADER
Whoever thinks that a good bitch slapping would change the tune of this has- been or never was reporter look at what happened to Johnny boy in the Utube clip titled "WRESTLING IS FAKE (watch before commenting)" funny shit, also this goes for some of these "commenters" on this thread! Ha Ha
aquietguy - you didn't take it you stole it, raped it, polluted it and washed it into the ocean. We are living and doing it were our ancestors are from! with the love for others, but apparently not all. As far as the crying about what happened your the only person crying about something so don't put words in our mouths, words that only fit in your mouth! You have more mouth than brains bringing up jesus, sounds like you have a guilty conscience along with a good dose of denial so keep with lies
@Superdave1ize No crying here unless using common sense is crying. Then I'm guilty as charged. The same common sense I use to figure that at some point you have to stop crying about stuff that happened 200 and 300 years ago. Stuff that is not stopping you today. And trust me, Jesus is just as sick and tried of the crying as I am.
Stossel is right. Privatize all reservations NOW!
hummarstra 2 months ago
Stossel is correct. Everything the federal government touches they fuck up. They fucked us Indians over initially, than they started programs to keep them crippled afterwards. The hand that gives is above the hand that takes - and that is what the government wants - to control what happens to us Indians
theycantstopmenow 4 months ago
@theycantstopmenow I'm Native and i'm not crippled...I can see you get your history from Stossel. White Man's Government is evil.
mikeNM08 1 month ago
@mikeNM08 "White Man's Government is evil."
Me and Stossel agree with you.
Madfoot713 2 weeks ago
Native Americans have been totally fucked over by the U.S Government, everyone knows this.
MOXWELLDIAMOND 4 months ago
tenkins stop crying you moron...stop blaming everyone for your stupidity
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
Helped??? Freeloaders??? I think not!!!
Natives have given the second most contributions and sacrificed and lost the most for the USA...Natives have contributed to agriculture, ecology, a plateform for the U.S Consitution, technology, businesses, resources, military services, land, medicines etc, which created trillions for the United States...Stossel is being a idiot and spreading stereotypes...He should ge over himself..."Freeloaders" he should look into his own history!!!
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
2007 U.S Census studies: there are over 237,000 Native American businesses and it is expected to be over 300,000 by 2011 Census Studies.
Basicaly what they are saying is that Native Americans today generate over 60 billions in net profits and pay billions of dollars in taxes...The census has only counted half the Native population and has under counted Native business numbers
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
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On the state and local government levels, tribal communities contribute $246 million in tax revenues annually, and the combined purchases of goods from reservations total $5.5 billion on an annual basis.
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
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Business Marketing Website: "Native Americans are expected to see their buying power jump from $47.7 billion in 2004 to $65.6 billion in 2009"…2002 Census: “Tribal businesses have contributed to $10 billion in wage and salary income to the United States. This has generated between $4-6 billion in federal tax revenue annually”
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
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2002 U.S Census figures for NA >>> 197,300: Number of American Indian and Alaska Native-owned businesses $34.3 billion: Revenues generated by these businesses…6.5% of the nation's 3.0 million minority-owned firms represented by these businesses…$174,100 Average receipts of an American Indian and Alaska Native-owned firm…About 19% of all Native males have served in the military (the highest per-capita).
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
translated from the iroquois articles of confederation - meetings between Iroquois officials and the founding fathers
"American Indigenous ideas permeate the constitution. These ideas include the concept that freedom is a natural right, that Government should operated by a system of checks and balances, that the best Government is the least government, that leaders are public servants who can be impeached, and that civil and military powers are best separated."
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
You know how hard it is to get a job if your not white and dont come from a wealthy family?
REZiCMEALTiME 6 months ago
@REZiCMEALTiME - Then why is unemployment currently lower among Asian-Americans lower than it is among White Americans? Are Whites racist against whites?
mpc91 4 months ago
ouch this video hurts. Thats like saying the Holocaust was okay :'( can you say low blow
REZiCMEALTiME 6 months ago
@REZiCMEALTiME - It's really, really not like saying that at all. You should try actually watching the video. Go beyond the title, and watch the video.
mpc91 4 months ago
Wonder how it is that bones belonging to the white man have been found on this land, that are older then Indian bones found. How about bones found older then the white man found, that belong to those of Chinese descent. I wonder, are people aware that Indians owned black and white slaves?
Christene01 7 months ago
@Christene01 - Yea, keep drinking the cool-aid.
Superdave1ize 7 months ago
@Christene01 sounds like a load of shit js.
REZiCMEALTiME 6 months ago
He said the same thing in his freeloaders special. His point is that Indian tribes are socialist and live on handouts and yet they are the poorest people around. Handouts and wealth re-distribution keep people down which is absolutely true.
tenkins 7 months ago
@tenkins Natives have the fastest growing population and economy in the world and are the second weathiest minority according to a 2007 U.S Census study!!! And how a tribe operates is none of your business!!!
LJM331 5 months ago
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tenkins 5 months ago
@tenkins You respond to me with "Fuck You" than you remove your comment? My people aren't making the America in debt, that would be the federal government, oil driven wars, companies talking jobs over seas, federal reserve and banks that is taking money from Whites (it's mostly Whites taking money and resources from Whites and non Whites)...It's "socialist capitalism" "corporatism" and "marxism" blended together!!! Natives have contrbuted the second most contributions and have lost the most!!!
LJM331 4 months ago
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tenkins 4 months ago
@tenkinsThe U.S Government has corporatism, fascism, socialism, communism and it is imperialistic…You should worry about what your Government, bankers and elit are doing to this country…The U.S Government is EVIL!!!
You don’t get it…When you have been out debated you throw insult like a little child…Grow up!!!
Give me a example of Tribes being Socialist? BTW, The U.S Constitution was influenced by Native Americans.
LJM331 4 months ago
@LJM331 - BTW, the US Constitution was not actually influenced by Native Americans. But there is no evidence of this. I assume you are talking about the Iroquois Confederacy.
It's true that Castanego suggested in 1744 that the colonies unite, but this wasn't a new idea to the colonists by any means. William Penn had suggested it in 1697, and he wasn't the first, or the last.
The framers of the Constitution liked the Iroquois Confederacy, but they really, really loved Locke and Montesquieu.
mpc91 4 months ago
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@mpc91
Congressional Record -- Senate
Wednesday, September 16, 1987 100th Cong. 1st Sess.133 Cong Rec S 12214
REFERENCE: Vol. 133 No. 140
TITLE: SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 76 -- TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE IROQUOIS CONFEDERACY OF NATIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION AND TO REAFFIRM THE CONTINUING GOVERNMENT-TO-GOVERNMENT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN INDIAN TRIBES AND THE UNITED STATES
ESTABLISHED IN THE CONSTITUTION
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian - Yep, sponsored by Daniel Inouye of Hawaii.
It's a political bill, for political gains. And absolutely harmless. Inaccurate, but harmless.
Thinking the Iroquois Confederacy gave the founders the idea for a confederacy is just wrong. It impressed them, they liked it, but it was by no means news to them. The idea was 100 years old to them when they found out the Indians had something similar.
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 You are a westernized white biggot there is plenty of documents in Washington...Even Adrew Jackson said he admired the Native American democracies, but is was a Anglo Biggot and sent prosperous indepenent Tribes such the Choctaw, Cherokee amoung others on the trial of tears.
Early societies like Britian, Spain, Romans, Greeks, early America and Canada looted Tribes, eachother and other countries for wealth...There was no Liberty in those societies!!!
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@mpc91 And you are a bigot...Get over yourself...NativeHistorian is right and stossel is a jackass who cries around about money...The government has been nothing but a dictator of my people!!!
mikeNM08 4 months ago
@mikeNM08 - You are also missing the point. NativeHistorian is also missing the point. You hear the word "help", but miss the sarcasm.
Stossel agrees that the government has been extremely harmful to the Native American population - that government bureaucracy that claims to be "helpful" is anything but. That tribes that function on their own without government interference do much, much, much better.
Calling me a bigot shows that you are directing your anger in the wrong direction.
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 blame your own government for everything...Do you think I like the federal government? No! The U.S Government is the most Imperialistic Regime in wold history...This government has been involved in more wars than all other countries combined during the last 300 years...This government is ruled by corporations...The biggest problem is "Corporatism"
mikeNM08 4 months ago
@mikeNM08 - I would call it "Crony Capitalism", but you're on the right basic track.
As for the U.S. Government being the most imperialistic regime in World History, that ignores the rest of world history.
The US has hardly been involved in more wars than all other countries combined in the past 300 years, and a great number of those wars were started by forces outside the United States.
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 America was built on imperialism...America is the offspring of England
mikeNM08 4 months ago
@mpc91
The Federal Government recognizes four types of Governments in the United States which are Tribal, State, City and County. These four rule on the basis of “Sovereignty” but Tribes have been denied Sovereignty
more than others, it’s been a dictatorship resembling communism and fascism.
Article 1, Section 8: Congress shall regulate commerce with and enter into treaties with foreign nation… and with Indian tribes.
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@mpc91 Poverty is when a person or community isn't self sufficient...A person or community can be self sufficient by building a community that depends on farming, hunting and gathering while using a barter system...A person can be self sufficient by operating their own business, a community can operate itself by having many bussinesses in the community...A person, community or country ISN'T self self sufficient if they loot others to get wealthy <--- This is a dependent state!!!
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
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tenkins 4 months ago
@tenkins You are a stupid idiot..."Tribes"? you mean societies? Natives societies preach freedom of the individual in any particular society, just like the American society…In America you have “Freedom of Association“ were you can choose to be a member of a cultural or religious group (Amendment 1) or be a individualist...And Tribal governments are the creation of your U.S Government you moron, the Feds dictate the Reservations, and Natives don’t want the Feds interfering.
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian - Did you actually watch the video?
It's criticizing the government, not the tribes.
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 He said "indians are the most helped", actually the would be white people and this country is heavily Eurocentric in the way it thinks...America wants people to live in a anglo dominated society as individuals...Actually America is a melting pot of cultures, religions, parties, government agencies, businesses, private organizations...Understand???
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian - No, you don't understand, apparently. All of the things you mention have absolutely nothing to do with the video. Not a word of it. None of those are disputed whatsoever.
When Stossel talks about help, listen to how he says "help", it drips with sarcasm. The "help" comes with extra government control and more regulation, and less freedom. HE'S NOT CLAIMING THAT ITS A GOOD THING. Quite the opposite.
"Indians who get away from government management, they thrive in America".
mpc91 4 months ago
@mpc91 No, you don't understand, apparently, all of the things you and stossel mention have absolutely nothing to do with the state of Native Americans...It was oppresseion and bigotry against people and their...The Reservations need to be overhauled and education, law enforcement, cultures, businesses, land and resources should be according to what the Native people want and not by American society and Government...Everything I said is relevant to the state of Natives and their contributions..
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
@tenkins You are a racist white supremist...Get over yourself!!! Everyone has there share of Poverty you idiot...You are a angry person who can't debate without throwing insults and it only shows that you are childish...BTW, Whites are the most helped by the Government and everyone in the world knows that.
TheNativeHistorian 4 months ago
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tenkins 4 months ago
@tenkins Stop whinning...You just heard some truth...You are a freaking angry moron...Go complain to your Government...Everything that is wrong with America is the fault of the U.S Government operated by majority Whites...Truth hurts!!! I can be a Asshole too, just like you...Get the fuck over yourself!!!
LJM331 4 months ago
God Bless You Superdave. The Indians thank you. Hang in there. We need all the positive voices we can. It seems that some people never opened a history book including Stossel.
missindianrunyan 8 months ago
@missindianrunyan First-'the Indians thank you'- are you the spokesperson? 2nd-if you opened a history book, you'd know that Native Americans didn't think it wrong to take land by force either.They often did it brutally themselves. That's how people settled things everywhere, sad but true. The issue is RESULTS not intenions of govt. Stossel says govt screws it all up -war on drugs, schools, welfare, Indians, military. If Indians weren't assisted by govt, they'd do better.
dccoop2009 8 months ago
@missindianrunyan - You aren't getting Stossel's point. He's not blaming Indians. He's blaming government.
He's not saying that Indians don't deserve "help", he's saying that that "help" doesn't actually improve people's lives.
Stossel hasn't opened a great number of history books. But you haven't opened any of his, and you should.
mpc91 7 months ago
@missindianrunyan - Except that he's in no way positive. He's very, very negative. It's people like him that will keep the Indians poor.
I think you should find it very offensive the notion that Indians need handouts to survive. Any group should.
mpc91 7 months ago
@mpc91 Why are you bringing up Tribal wars??? a few Natives fought over land and when resources were low...But pre columbian North America used a barter system and had the weathiest agriculture in the world...Goods were made and traded, the people were better fed compared to most of the world...They had cleaner cities, towns and villages compared to Europe and there was never any major plaques...Tribal leaders were elected and they were the voice of the people. All this kept wars to a Minimum!!!
LJM331 5 months ago
@LJM331 - I was bringing up tribal wars in response to an argument with a nut.
As for your "fought over land and when resources were low", is very similar to what Europeans fought over, they just had a much higher population density. This also explains the plagues. It does explain though, the wealth and technology gap from more people who didn't need to farm for a living.
I'm not saying that either is superior.
mpc91 5 months ago
The Native population was over 30 million in 1491 with the south west and the eastern N. America was doted with cities, towns and villages...The western N. America had towns and villages from Alaska to California...Spanish diseases reduced the population to 12 milion by time the English arrived...Most people in Europe lived in poverty with the Kings and military ruled and waged war over resources because they couldn't sustain themselves...Europe actually had less people and more imperialistic
LJM331 4 months ago
@LJM331 - The number of natives in 1491 is highly suspect, and varies by orders of magnitude depending on who you ask. There really is no way of knowing. They kept no written records, so any numbers are at best, speculation.
Most people all over the world were living in poverty, most people in North America, Asia and Africa were too. But Europe was beginning to climb out, based on free trade, and rule of law.
Europe was more imperialistic? Aztecs, Incas, do these ring bells with you?
mpc91 4 months ago
Why shouldn't they get help? After all this was their land, their home until the white people decided they wanted it. After all the Oklahoma land was rich in oil as was a lot of other states. They were hearded up like animals in their Mississippi, Lousiana and other states and driven across unsettled, mountains and rivers to an unknown land known then as Indian Territory. Now, Oklahoma. Thousands died on the "Trail of Tears". They could never, never give them what they deserve.
missindianrunyan 8 months ago
Great episode I remember watching it.
DerrEinzige 8 months ago
gov should but the fuck out.
TheTimmoody 8 months ago
He is not saying that Native Americans do not deserve the government's "help". Rather he is simply saying that they are not helped by the government's "help". Notice the quotes around the word help. By "help" he means government money. But if this "help" fails to improve the lives of Native Americans, is it really "help"ing them? Stossel clearly thinks that Native Americans would live better lives without this "help". Does that make him a racist?
rmcfad1 9 months ago 2
@rmcfad1 - That is the case with ALL people on assistance, it looks racist because they are just talking about natives......also there were 50 million natives that lost their lives in America alone....to say"no group had more help than any other" is a joke......maybe the jews didn't get as much "help" as native americans did, but they still benifited greatly.......
Superdave1ize 8 months ago
@Superdave1ize
Seriously are you that dense? You know there was slavery? You know many peoples did harm other peoples, and the Indians are the only ones getting help, and probably being hurt by it. Also the overwhelming factor contributing to decline of population was disease (30-80%). You also exaggerate, the estimates of original population is between 1-18mln.
serialkiller1990 8 months ago
@serialkiller1990 -lol the only ones getting help, the white population on welfare exceeds our total population, and "1-18mln." what is "min"??? do you mean million?? sounds like you are the dense one here. And what the hell does slavery have to do with anything on this page??? and last but not least are you black
Superdave1ize 8 months ago
@rmcfad1 You need to listen to what the Natives are saying...Stossol is only repeating what the Natives have been saying the last 400 years...There's nothing special about Stossel, he gets paid millions to complain about money...He is playing the victim.
mikeNM08 4 months ago
@mikeNM08
That doesn't even make sense shut up.
Liberalsaredumb1 2 months ago
@Liberalsaredumb1 What doesn't make any sense? Be more specific or else shut up. Whats so special about Stossel anywhy?
mikeNM08 1 month ago
I think that is one of the most racist statements that I have yet to hear on Fox! Native American & Indigenous people around the world have been beaten, murdered, raped, BURNED ALIVE, hell I could go on & on, but it makes me sick to even think about what my ancestors did to these people(HUMAN BEINGS) We are all one race, folks & that's what it all boils down to. I have no point, really, except open your hearts & maybe your eyes just for a few seconds & this statement should infuriate you!
FreedomJunkie420 9 months ago
@FreedomJunkie420
What you described had happened to many peoples, and surprisingly also to Europeans.
You realize that your attitude means that if there was this kind of problem (with you think there is not), then you would close any room for discussion, and solving it?
All you do is call names.
Stossel pointed out that other minorities that may had been hurt by US have no such "props".
The fact also is that the atrocities that you refer to had been mainly made by colonial gov.
serialkiller1990 8 months ago
@serialkiller1990 -"What you described had happened to many peoples, and surprisingly also to Europeans" are you serious...Europeans have been killing each other in numbers and ways no other people do...and your from Poland...what does this page have to do with you???? besides proving that Europeans have never been and never will be able to mind their own business
Superdave1ize 8 months ago
@Superdave1ize - "Killing each other in ways no other people do"... are you that ignorant of world history, or just trying to advance a political agenda.
Every continent has a history of tribal wars, they just advanced technologically at different rates. No one continent can claim any high ground here. It happened in Africa, Asia, Australia and in the Americas.
Native American "tribes" fought just as many wars as did European "nations",
mpc91 7 months ago
@mpc91 - Well look at ww2 60 million people were killed, this happened in the last century thats totals are around 180 million, and you compare that to the native way of counting coup??? i hear that all the time from people and were are your facts?? you cannot rely on those old-timey westerns you know, were everyone is after those settlers, and know who is it??? Muslims?? who was it before and who is next.... i have no " political agenda" and thats what causes this to happen in the first place!
Superdave1ize 7 months ago
@Superdave1ize - You don't want facts, you think WORLD War II was fought just in Europe. Never mind the Japanese were using Koreans and Chinese civilians for bayonet practice.
I'm not relying on "Westerns" as you say, but rather history. Europeans may have been better organized from about 1500 on, but why is are a few big wars better than hundreds of smaller ones.
Why did all the tribes around the Sioux hate them? Didn't the Aztecs sacrifice their enemies?
You absolutely have an agenda.
mpc91 7 months ago
@mpc91 -Bullshit why are you on a page that talks about Americans and their greed towards the originals? what i said was in contrast to your saying that the "natives had more wars b.s."you guys are constantly in wars,or think on a personal level,why do you people feel the nee to try and blame your problems on all people,you take credit were credit isn't due and then when confronted with facts you say 'everyone does that"you cannot take the inside and sweep the outside bets,thats called cheating
Superdave1ize 7 months ago
@Superdave1ize - Where do you think you are? This isn't a page about Americans and greed towards the originals, it's a page about the failure of government. How are you missing that. It's not even really about "originals", it doesn't blame them. You may hear that if you want to, but that's not what's said. It shows successful "originals" living without government "help".
You are the one attempting to blame your problems on others. You are the one trying to make one group seem worse than another
mpc91 7 months ago
@serialkiller1990
What names did I call anyone?
FreedomJunkie420 7 months ago
Stossel is dead wrong and never worked an honest days work in his life
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize - An honest days work usually applies to blue collar worker or someone that is used to labor work for a living, reporting is considered more play than work by blue collar people. Stossel talks like he is on morel highground and acually took free scooters that the government offered, thats what i call a hypocritical freeloader.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
Well said Stossel.
sniper6081 10 months ago
you all are still arguing on this video?
chTsosie 10 months ago 3
So what's the message?
mythmanjay 10 months ago
the world without such corrupt factions would be a much saner world-
Giverney13 10 months ago
Natives recieve the lowest rate of funding from the Government for education, law enforcement, housing, ect. compared to any other group, county, town/city and state...Natives (past to preset) have helped generated trillions for America and given key contributions to the development of America...Natives today generate billions in taxes while our economy is worth over 60 billion...Natives have given alot more than taken and that is a fact...Stossel is distorting facts and giving lies.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian - oh shit the truth, run !!! na.. The whole world has benifited from the new world and ultimatly the Native American, the facts people get are not the good ole' westerns that made up the edumacat1on of Americans towards the natives anymore, it's now took the form of misinformation by the corupt media and a ever more brash and illegal government, and It's bigger than our own government i do believe, two words( the Rothchilds)
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
cont--Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined, so you rich people have manipulated the poor for years and still do, just because i make $25 an hour and my tribe is the largest employer in my region,( that i get $ from) and all my family are professionals and i'm a native that moved ahead no matter what, i still do not believe in politics and mostly the GOP which has been for rich, white(hope i didn't hurt anyones poor feeling ) prodistant bigots.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize "Today just 400 Americans have more wealth than half of all Americans combined"
And most of this is because of leguslation coming out of DC from both Dems and R.I.N.O. repuplicans that give them monoplies. Which is why I say we need to get the govenment back in line with the constitution. And you do know that the democarts that you back get far more money from these so-called evil corporations then republicans do.
aquietguy 10 months ago 2
@Superdave1ize - Except that the wealthy you vilify create wealth. They don't destroy it. You don't get wealthy by stealing, you get wealthy by giving other people what they want. In great numbers.
You act as if economics is a zero sum game, like their is a limited supply of wealth, and rich people just take it from poor people. But that's just not the case. They get wealthy by helping others, creating jobs, taking chances. Gov't handouts are the problem. Not job creators.
mpc91 7 months ago
@mpc91 You have no clue on the state of Native Americans do you? First of all Native Americans have the fastest growing economy in the world!!! Secondly they receive the lowest funding for education, law enforcement, subsidies, disaster relief compared to Whites or any other racial groups…And our businesses don’t get corporate bailouts, Natives have to learn form trial and error…This Stossel is a very negative man and he his spreading ignorant stereotypes, does he ever smile and enjoy life?
LJM331 5 months ago
@mpc91 We have a problem with corrupted elite who use government to steal our resources from the reservations, We don't have a problem with people who create jobs...Welfare does keep people in poverty to a certain extent, but the major reason is Government and Corporate dictatorship of the Reservations...The Government should give "trust land" back to the Natives and this will free up land!!! The issue is "Sovereignty"...Understand???
LJM331 5 months ago
@LJM331 - I agree with pretty much all of this. Don't know why you're so angry, but I suspect it's because you're misunderstanding Stossel here. He's arguing against government handouts and government control.
He's not disparaging the Native Americans in any way, whatsoever. He points out that those who have lived without government interference have been very successful.
I think you're venting your anger at the wrong people.
mpc91 5 months ago
cont-- because of the "dominate societies"( see i used dominate society instead of white people to not hurt anyones feelings) lack of concern for the environment, there are vast tracks of trees the are dying in the west because of climate change, the redwoods will never grow in their proper state again, you know it is easy for you to judge what is done with an areas natural resources if you are not from that area, and what have you benifited from GOP's policies?400 people in this country-cont--
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize This is another one of those misconceptions passed around by ignorant liberals. That conservatives are only about money and they don't care about the enviroment. A person is labeled this if they don't buy into the non-scientifc global warming nonsense. Or now climate change since it's a fact that the earth has been cooling over the last 10 to 15 years. Rather than admit they are wrong, they change the argument. True to form with liberals who never have fact or logic on their side.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy - Global warming? you need to update your self !! it's called climate change and i suppose you are all behind your heros on this one to, you are a very predictable person and are brainwashed which may not have been to hard to accomplish, you are just another retarted GOP that is for big money, big oil, and anti-environment. In my area we have black-ash trees that are a traditional tree of the natives that is used for making baskets, artwork, tools this tree is dissappearing-cont-
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize I know it's called climate change, but you didi read that in my post did you? And the reason it's called climate change now and not global warming is because they couldn't keep up that lie. So they had to change the argument. What what lying dishonest people do. But doesn't the climate change every year? Every year it starts and end cold and gets hot in the middle. We call that seasons. I can't wait how will they explain that?
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy - My professor and most of the unbiased scientists agree that there is change occuring, you cannot pull weight out of the earth(oil), burn it (carbon emission) and expect no effects, you can expect people to have; denial, fear, guilt and obviously special interests....scientists have an interest in the facts and thank god have no fears. Sun angles have everything to do with the seasons.........thats all the seasons are.......SUN ANGLES
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize I wouldn't say unbiased. But when has there ever been a time when change didn't occur? And why have there been periods in the past when it was warmer than it is today when there were no SUV's? If carbon emissions were so important, why is it that the earth has cooled over the last 10 to 15 years while CO2 has increased significantly? Why do you think they changed from global warming to climate change? And why did we have the climate gate scandal?
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy - Well there is way to much info that was presented to me by a professor in a period of 6 months, the facts are in my persoonal testimony...there has been massive change within my short liftime...and it is impossible to change sides on this two- sided issue.....only time will tell
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize There have always been change. Some times more change at different points than others. The fact is that the sun is responsible for most of our climate. Not man. Our solar system goes through cycles. The whole solar system was warming. Global warming or climate change(what ever the globalist want to call it) is just the lastest excuse by the globalist to push for world government. If that don't work, which it won't, they will go back to the drawing board to find another excuse.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize - But it's money that plants more trees. We have more trees in the US than we ever have before. Because money gives people an incentive to plant them. Who has a greater interest in the ongoing supply of trees than a logger does?
Private ownership of land ensures that it will be cared for. Public ownership of land leads to all the troubles you speak of.
Collectivism is the great polluter. The dirtiest places on Earth are communist.
mpc91 7 months ago
John Stossel is a libertarian and his "people" get $92 billion a year in federal government monies? sounds to me like someone is trying to protect special interests.......what a hypocrite.........shows that they are have been and still are in the process of the dumbing down of America, and all people will soon know what it means to be subjugated and most Native american tribes (like mine) are on top and the regions largest employer!! we have faught for it all and kept our own culture all along!!
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize So Stossel was wrong about the, I belevie it was, Lumbee tribe or what ever they were. They don't get handouts and are doing very well. The tribes that are getting the handouts are in poverty. Common sense should be kicking in. Well you would think. You are as idiotic as that that woman he interveiw if you beleive tribes need more help. They need for the government to get out of their way and give them that land as opposed to living on land that the governemt owns.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy -"or what ever they are" you have digrssed to a name caller, FUCK OFF !!! sambo
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize If you weren't so hateful to whites for stuff that whites today had nothing to do with, you could seee that you are the fool ranting and posting insults.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize Also, for every tree cut down something like 6 to 10 are planted. Or else the lumber industry would have been out of buisness long ago.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy -"fred has a snow day" i finally looked at your profile(i usually do only if i want to be freinds, bcause we have a thing called class !! hahahahah) an dude you are a white homosexual all along race baiting, and this is all based on a blind black man...hahahahah...my country is filled with trash !!! hahahahahaha
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
The relentless expansion of corporate control over our political economy has proven nearly immune to daily reporting by the mainstream media. Corporate crime, fraud and abuse have become a major problem. This is largely because expected accountability mechanisms -- including boards of directors, outside accounting and law firms, bankers and brokers, state and federal regulatory agencies and legislatures -- are inert or complicit. <<< A statment by Ralph Nader.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
The truth is that American Indian tribes do need help. But what we need help with is far different than what John Stossel is griping about. The help we need is simply keeping the United States honest and living up to its trust responsibility. Rather than bringing America together, Stossel’s colossal ignorance undermines reconciliation and breeds contempt and discrimination. The fact remains that hundreds of other "entities" receieve far more "help" than the Native Americans.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize And all the white they are constantly trying to find more things to spend on meaning they will have to borrow even more. Soon they will be up to borrowing 1/2. I don't know. Our politcians have to be the dumbest people, which I doubt, arethey know exactly what they are doing and their up to something. I would have to say it's more of the latter.
aquietguy 10 months ago
Today there are hundreds of others who really get the most "help" All you have to do is look at the annual federal budget to see what I am talking about. There is a $62 billion prescription drug benefit and farming subsidies top $15 billion. The libertarian CATO Institute had the federal government spent $92 billion insubsidies to businesses and private-sector corporate entities, the United States spends less on American Indian health care per person than it does on federal prisoners.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize "Today there are hundreds of others who really get the most" I agree 100%. This is why we have a government that spends more money than it takes in in taxes every year. Which means that they have to borrow every year to meet all bligations. Right now the government has to borrow 1/3 of the money it needs. That would be like a person that makes 50,000 a year but spent 75,000 and having to borrow 25,000 a year. That's insane but that's what our government is doing.
aquietguy 10 months ago
Johnny boy wonders why there is Bureau of Indian Affairs? Perhaps if he had cracked a book in high school, he would have learned that the BIA was established in 1824 as part of the United States Department of War, I’m pretty sure the Puerto Rican, Black, or Irish would have enthusiastically turned down the "rights" to their own bureau in the Department of War under similar circumstances ,But it is Stossel’s foolish use of the word “helped” that unintentionally reminds us of our history.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
The only people who cryed and ARE STILL CRYING are non-natives!! get it through your thick skulls and STOP PUTTING WORDS IN OUR MOUTHS we know all about the "concept" of this counrty REMEMBER WE WERE HERE FIRST DING-DONGS!!! and if "WE" want to quit "crying" lets stop talking about ALL things that happened in the past; bible,black death,civil war,ww1,ww2,911 after all why "cry" about these things....they happened in the past ....DIPSHITS....look at YOUR OWN RACE before talking about another
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize Mre crying from one who says others need to stop crying. If this isn't a crying rant, I don't know what is.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy - You are a true IDIOT
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
""And all I asked to begin with is how long are people supposed to go on and on about what happened 200 and three hundred years ago? No one can change the past so it makes no sesne to constantly dwell on it."" Well, maybe if all people were treated as equals none of this would be an issue...Perhaps working with eachother and letting Natives control their own destiny and allowing Tribes to implement their own traditional Governments would make everything all better.
LJM331 10 months ago
How old are YOU? i have a feeling that you are around 80? and if thats the case come on, you deserve respect...don't put youself in a position of disrespect
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
Native Americans: Stossel is not subordinating you in any way. He's pointing out that you will fare far better WITHOUT gov't aid, that's all. The correlation exists: most aid = poorest counties in USA (and problems w/ drugs, violence..)
I know all about the brutality of USA's conquest but practically every land has been fought for, disputed, or conquered even to this day. Natives fought back like any other country, but we won. To the victor goes the spoils right?
TheFreezer872 10 months ago
Native People have filed lawsuits against certain corporations & the Feds over "trust land" and other corruption..Native American Individuals are now filing lawsuits against the Church & Government over abuse, rapes and murders in Christian & Government operated abusive schools..Individual Natives are making claims against and want an investigation of over thousands of murders of Native Women in the North America..All this didn't all happen 200 yrs ago, they deserve an investigation & justice.
TheNativeHistorian 10 months ago
@TheNativeHistorian If all this murder and rape is true I would be the first one backing natives because I'm for what's right. Not color. The government does injustes to all races. Which is why I keep saying they have gotten way too big and needs to be down sized.
aquietguy 10 months ago
May the grandfathers watch over you, and blessings to you today. People don't like the truth, so they tend to spit back. Or say derogatory things against an Indian. They don't like it, because it's the truth, the White man massacred innocent Indians, you can't erase history,
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize No ones trying to erase history. No one said that whites didn't kill natives and so did natives kill whites. Natives also massacred other natives. That should not be erased either.
aquietguy 10 months ago
@aquietguy - You know you keep running your mouth about these facts so i want you to show proof! and i don't mean your old westerns, if you want facts look at all the wars the natives have started after all the indian wars were done, and how many the whites have been in, the violence in Indian country is mostly non- indian on indain!, because of people like YOU!! that is the facts, and look at Africa!!! they are killing and eating their own over there! by the millions, you got alot to learn
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
Go to Africa and see the similarities to the inner-city America ya ding-dong, and if you think you can run Natives down to make yourself feel better about your own race you are barking up the wrong tree pale(exuse the pum) do you live in the south? thats the only place were blacks worked, and only on farms at that. when you talk about someones race you better be damn well ready to look nat your own, but then again i have to remember who i'm talking to! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
@Superdave1ize Once again, if you comprhene it, I agree with what you say about blacks. I say the same things. But I still tell the truth no matter what race. I just tell it like it is and dare anyone to prove me wrong on anything I have said.
aquietguy 10 months ago
I had a real freeloader from the "inner city" rob me at gunpoint and got some money off me(being native and used to hunting AND SHOOTING)i tracked him through the streets with a pipe that i had found him, a cabie had seen me with the pipe and asked "whats going on" i told him and he reported it as he took me over near the robber, i was going to smash this "human" in the scull but i held him on the ground as the police got there! went to it's trial and seen it off to prison, these are blindpeople
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
WHAT IS A MONON? i swaer the only people with a level head in this counrty are the natives and some of the Asians.
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
Lets talk about MONEY....thats the reason that all the non-natives are pissed off!!! well FYI most Native Americans give a RATS ASS about money! you can see it on any rez that has money, all the non-native parasites that feed off "INDIAN MONEY" from trying to get our women to selling their drugs or the non-native women chasing the native men (for a good child support check) you people look like a pack of vultures, and have the balls to call US the freeloadres!! ON LAND THAT WAS STOLEN from us!!!
Superdave1ize 10 months ago
some people really dont want to hear this but it's true
bustapunk101 11 months ago
@aquietguy - You are a bigot, why can't you people keep you nose out of everybodies bussiness? just because your people live without code doesn't mean you can just talk about blacks, indians, and who else you can point the finger at! all you have to do is look in the mirror! white people have and still are THE SINGLE MOST DEPENDANT GROUP WHEN IT COMES TO THE GOVERNMENT>>>>BAR NONE!!!!, you talk like you have nothing to do with it! thats how YOU GOT HERE!! your European homelands gov money hahaha
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@Superdave1ize If telling it like it is and not giving a damb about political correctness means being a bigot, then yes I guess I am. However, nothing that I said is wrong. And if you think I'm hard on Native Americans, then you need to read what I say about blacks. Here's a question. What percentage of whites are dependent on the goverment as opposed to other raceses?
aquietguy 11 months ago
Obama and congress recently passed the "Tribal law and order Act', which gives the "tribal judicial system" the authority to arrest and charge "non tribal members" and "coporations" who commit a crime against a tribal member or who violates "tribal laws"...It's funny how republicans want State Rights but don't want Tribal Rights, and Liberals who believe in Big Government want and respect Tribal "sovereignty"...aquietguy, I'm a Independent and I'm Anti Big Government, I follow the Green Party.
LJM331 11 months ago
The Native American culture as many aspects of "personal responsibily"...The main issue is "corparate controlled Government", example: The Government agencies has control of "trust land"...Trust land is one way government agencies control the resources of trust land and allow big coroporations to mine for resources, mean while the tribal members feel the brunt of pollution from uranium and coal mining...We don't want Feds dictating our lives...By "Treaty Right" Tribes are sovereign nations.
LJM331 11 months ago
Part of the problem is their are a mulitude of issues that the natives face, but some want to equate money with"Indians"prolly because by rights we should have a crazy amount that they would be do(most natives could care less about the all mighty dollar) another is the guilty conscience and the "'hero complex" that aflicts some of the delusional. The denial of the fact that Americans are not the real natives to this land causes some to "come up" with any kind of disclaimer to deny this fact
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
I would like to see these guys 100 and something years after most of there loved ones were victims of genocide, there children were shipped to evil religous boarding schools to be abused mentally, physically, and sexually and subjected to diseases which had nothing to do with there bilogical make up. If you want to see what a retchid government can do to people come to the reservation because soon enough its gonna come full circle to our generation.
chazdrezlife 11 months ago
TheNativeHistorian - wow i didn't know i get welfare? you must to huh? listening to the wise words of a quite guy, what a BS name to give yourself when your mouth runs from the power of an empty head, i'll be willing to bet that my family has done more true work(labor) more people that have served in the military and are informed on other peoples history than MR."Quite guy", when i sit with a native elder they convey peace, wisdom and are tuely quite and humble, they ignore the ignornace
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@Superdave1ize Do we get corporate welfare? No...Do our wealthy Native business take their corporation to another country and exploit slave labor of others? No, they employ Americans...Do we get the most "percapita" of welfare? No, actually we recieve the least...I gave examples in my other comments.
Native Americans have made the second most contributions to America and People would rather cry around about money...This is what materialistic people do most of their lives, "cry over money"
TheNativeHistorian 11 months ago 2
I live my life in ahonest, humble way WITH THE TRUTH! i wonder why white people do not start to live their lives, to us they still live up to the old " lame white man" name that the natives gave them so long ago. prolly after being called every name in the book by the whites! oh yea, i forgot the white people have a crystel ball that enables them to see all peoples lives...even on the internet!!... and it works the same on all people! WoW, and here i thought it was just called PRE-JUDGING...pale
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
Stating facts is not "crying" it is a condition that some people say another is doing to get what they want, which only goes to show the people accusing others of this offence are actually the ones who are "crying" and is an exellent example of DENIAL and one of many reasons why these stereotypes still exist, i'll be wiiling to bet that most people who say the old "crying" thing has never even met a native! what do they expect we just sit there and take someones ignorance? True most don't care
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
TheNativeHistorian - yea, it's like you cannot tell some people to "forget" there are also women and men that were sterilized and obviously cannot have children ( part of the genocidal doctrines) and these people are still alive! oh yea forget about it that happened along time ago, well some people live with that kind of past abuse every day, kind of a sadisical form of life long tourture, i find it humorous when a people that have been here 200 years? tell native people about time, peace to all
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
There were over 50 million natives BEFORE the white man showed up, along with the pop of the natives plumeting the mass exstinctions of animals in his wake and both are still going on, i have had people murdered in my family by whites, most native families have horror stories about dealing with these "people" and nobody is crying but you people! watch T.V. yopu people are a bunch of over feed over paid "victims" of everyone that is non- white. GROW UP it is sad that we are stuck with you@ssh01es
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
Super: Yes, "over 50 million Natives before Euros came", there was1,000 Tribes with some large expanding civilizations in N. America until Spanish & English disease wiped out between 75 & 90% of the pop (400 yr Bloody wars also contributed)..Many have been damaged by the history of America, but we are still here and we are in the middle of a cultural & economic revolution..Those abusive individuals from the boarding schools should be hunted down & prosecuted & their fam should be given a apology
TheNativeHistorian 11 months ago
My tribes casino and resorts now are the single largest employer in the region that i live, most of the employees are white so are they being paid for the past crimes that their ancestors commited? no, what about all the government "jobs" that surround indian affairs? and remember that ALL of the money that goes into these most desolete tribes goes right back into the hands of whites! of course we don't talk about the114 billion Isreal gets that goes overseas never to return, NDN for life!!!!!!!
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
I would like to know what money people are talking about? yes i am Native American and a member of a federally recognized tribe, i along with all my family and freinds recieve NO MONEY FROM THE GOVERNMENT, we DO recieve some money from our casino that was built and paid for by our own resources, it started in a small pole building and grew, as far as the victim part goes nobody i know feels like a victim, so the money-victim senerio is a mute point. youre right about crimes that were commited
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
I do not know how must the Europeans were worried about diseases the spaniards were a very sick and sad people before stumbling on the new world, ditches in Spain were lined with the dead, left to rot in the sun, but they seem to have been doing very well ever since? what about all the other races of people who came here and have been doing well ever since? were is the thanks? all of my white friends that know me an other natives know what this world looks like through native eyes an non native
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
booley - I the case of theNative Americans it's more like the whole world, not just one people meets another people, in our culture we were taught to respect all the basic four races of people, but in this day and age of dog-eat- dog, no respect for none but you better respect me attitude, the native people being very humble and quiet in their demeaner let alot slide, but i don't just stand by and let people walk on, and lie about the people who were doing just fine until the recent past
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
booley - hey, to bad we cannot have a page for us people who are like minded and up for the truth, but you know how it is SOME people cannot mind there own bussiness and need to talk about other people and races, prolly because of some weakness in themselves, but what is new? my response to them is O.K. i'll talk about you then! It's written fact that Queen Elizabeth and all the white people did not even bath for a lifetime! wow! no wonder they left! to smelly, to bad it followed them. Ha Ha
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@Superdave1ize Europeans for many centuries thought bathing would spread the plague. Not true but they thought it.
Anyway, this isn't about race. It's been normal when two cultures meet for the stronger one to to try to destroy the weaker one. People expected native americans to go extinct because that was how it was "supposed" to be.
It's only in the last 50 years that society decided this was actually a bad thing.
booley 11 months ago
sybo59 - "privileges" you got more mouth than you do brains, you people are dilusional....who owns the banks-whitey, who owns the government-whitey, who owns the church-whitey, who owns the pollution-whitey ..well thats another story, the fact remains if you are not one of these top-dogs you are just a little white puppy and are considered trash by the true privileged of this country, and yes we do have a deep cocern for our country, it's been a mere 200 years for you people, kill,polute,lie FU
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
aquietguy - you know if you don't like this counrty nobody is stopping you from leaving, when you talk of natives wars in the past as a way of making up for what the white man has done well thats just fine for YOU as an individual, but most people with conscience know the truth, so keep watching your old-time westerns and get all you info from the sources that you can trust just as long as you do not get the truth, i mean why break your cycles of lieing, stay in denial you are a D.P.
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
aquietguy - you know if " we ' are going to talk about someones race that "we" for one thing our oral traditions tell us about our differences in the past, and the whites were the ones asking for help (french, english) and were manipulators from day one, the only B.S. in history are your comments, and of course history is written by the victors. As far as testimony to the characher of the white man well thats speaks volumes, you guys can;t go a year without war, and natives attacts on any? none!
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
Who the fuck is this dumbass? He answered his own question. If he's going to blame anyone for my peoples right to govern ourselves he needs to blame his government. He clearly skimmed over whatever bullshit history book he read.
Wabaanimkii 11 months ago
John Stassel "Because we have the treaties and we stole THIER land" He makes it quite clear to me. He answers himself in his own statement. Silly white man....
loves2powwow 11 months ago
booley- i know it was a typo..sorry...SSGurgs 24 - The truth is if you are not native chances are you know nothing about our daily lives..you may know money, but that is your problem, the money that some natives may get is far out wieghed by the money that was and still is being made in this country. Do you honestly believe that your people do without government more than mine, whites were dependent on the government before they came here and still are, what about the military?killing for $
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
Everyone bashing Stossel is ignorant of John Stossel. This man is purely for the free market. He believes if these tribal lands respected private property (like the tribe he mentioned) the Native Americans would be doing much better. Government dependency breeds ineptitude.
SSGurgs 11 months ago
aquietguy-your statment "if blacks from Africa and Haitii can come here and do well for thenselves, anyone can." are you for real? look at Haitii( a land cleared of it's true natives for your race) it's a shithole except near were you people are slaves to the tourists, and Africa? the truth is YOUR people are the ones who are killing each other off every day!! look at my race ...do you see any of that shit happening? NO..your race will just come here and turn it into were you came from SHITHOLE
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
aquietguy-YOU are full of shit, who told you this info, your old-time westerns? if your statement "Like most indians killed were killed by aother indians. But is blaimed on the white man" was true why were there any indians left for the white man to kill? and why didn't the white man document such killings? Lazy? how do you know who i am? your from Africa huh? look at your counrty before you come here and look at mine, my race owns a multi-million dollar bussiness, what do you own? a cab?
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@booley- YOU are full of shit, who told you this info, your old-time westerns? if your statement "Like most indians killed were killed by aother indians. But is blaimed on the white man" was true why were there any indians left for the white man to kill? and why didn't the white man document such killings? Lazy? how do you know who i am? your from Africa huh? look at your counrty before you come here and look at mine, my race owns a multi-million dollar bussiness, what do you own? a cab?
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@Superdave1ize dude, you're ranting at the wrong guy.
booley 11 months ago
What kind of a job does Mr.Stossel do? fly around talking to people? noseing in on others bussiness? i'm native and work a real job and at the end of the day i know i did something! were does this guy get off talking about freeloaders...HE IS A FREELOADER
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
Whoever thinks that a good bitch slapping would change the tune of this has- been or never was reporter look at what happened to Johnny boy in the Utube clip titled "WRESTLING IS FAKE (watch before commenting)" funny shit, also this goes for some of these "commenters" on this thread! Ha Ha
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
aquietguy - you didn't take it you stole it, raped it, polluted it and washed it into the ocean. We are living and doing it were our ancestors are from! with the love for others, but apparently not all. As far as the crying about what happened your the only person crying about something so don't put words in our mouths, words that only fit in your mouth! You have more mouth than brains bringing up jesus, sounds like you have a guilty conscience along with a good dose of denial so keep with lies
Superdave1ize 11 months ago
@Superdave1ize No crying here unless using common sense is crying. Then I'm guilty as charged. The same common sense I use to figure that at some point you have to stop crying about stuff that happened 200 and 300 years ago. Stuff that is not stopping you today. And trust me, Jesus is just as sick and tried of the crying as I am.
aquietguy 11 months ago
@starkweather444 with the rest of the Jewish Tribe of oh holy Israel.