all this utter fucking nonsense about maclean and shaw. Lenny battered him second time out. The knobbled gloves theory in the first fight seem pretty obvious to me. Plus look atnthe fackin size of maclean at his peak. Shaw was a dwarf in comparison. Maclean was beaten plenty of times IN THE RING and hes happy enough to admit it. Bare knuckle though? Thats another story and we all know it...
Official Guvnor your "facts" are funny. Feared by the krays? the krays were sentanced to life when Lenny was still a kid! They didnt know who he was until years later.
3000 fights! That isnt possible!
Lenny was hard, there is no doubt, but roy shaw beat him, and lenny was 10 years younger, 8 inches taller, and 6 stone heavier.
And Lenny was beaten several times, just read his book. Now thats a fact!
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Roy is a legand, I have the upmost respect for him, In my eyes he is the Guv'nor he has the heart of a lion, He is just a legand and legands never die
@cowiehound Lew Yates was a pussy. Shaw was hard, but not as hard as Lenny. Roy won the first because he cheated, then McLean destroyed him in the next two. Lenny is the real Guv'nor.
@OfficialGuvnor Lenny won two only because he had a 13 year age advantage against Roy ! Roy was also much smaller that Lenny. Not unlike Lenny to fight smaller men. Typical Bully ! BTW..whats that light heavyweights name that knocked out Lenny twice ? Yeah..look that up mate! Lenny was OVERATED !
@philndave Lenny was overrated? LOL! 3000+ fights on the cobbles and only lost a few of them. He wasn't an unlicensed boxer, he was a street fighter and he was the best in the UK at the time. I have respect for both guys, I've read both their books more than once. Even if Roy was in his prime he wouldn't have beat Lenny. Johnny Waldron knocked out Lenny because he was a professional boxer and the fight was in a boxing ring. If it happened on the cobbles it would have ended differently.
@philndave Lenny did bitch. If it was just Lenny's word it would be up for debate but in his wife's book she also mentions it. They were married for 29 years. Why would she lie? Lenny counts every single scrape he had as a fight. Every time he knocked out some bum at the door etc. He fought for 30+ years. A few scraps a week for 30 years would give you 3000. Shaw was a bum, plain and simple and if you think he was harder your just as fucked up in the head as him. Peace out kid.
So he throws a drunk out of a bar..slaps him across the face and thats a fight ? Come on, don't by into this myth. As far as his wife's book. She would lie because that was her husband. For Christ sake she's protecting his so called legacy. Don't be so naive. BTW, I'm not saying he couldn't fight in the street. But beating up drunks at a bar doesn't constitute being great fighter. There are tons of bouncers all over the USA that take liberty with people half their size
@philndave You do know that Lenny beat John McCormack, who was said to be the hardest man in New York at the time in less than three minutes, bare knuckle. Lenny fought bare knuckle for money, that's how he made his living. I'm guessing you read his book so you probably know all this. He was never beaten in an organized bare knuckle fight, and he had a shit load of them.
I'm from New York.and I never heard of John McCormack. I'm not saying he didn't exist. but I also don't believe McCormack had any legacy beyond being a big tough son of a bitch who possibly worked for the mob. You have to understand this, there were, and are many huge tough guys out there in NYC alone working as bouncers/enforcers/bodyguards/ etc.As far as him never losing a bare knuckle fight I wouldn't know nothing about that. I only know his skills in the ring were minimal
@philndave So basically everything you have said before this gets thrown out the window because you haven't read Lenny's book and you know absolutely nothing about him. His skill in the ring was minimal because he wasn't a boxer, he was a bare knuckle fighter. Although it might not seem different there is a huge difference between the two. The Mob contacted Lenny and flew him to New York to fight John, New York's toughest man at the time. The fight lasted 3 minutes.
Why would the Mob set up a fight with Lenny and this McCormack ? What money could be made ? The story of Lenny's life is bits of the truth but mostly myths. Who the fuck is John McCormack.....So big and bad you can't find him through a google search.
@philndave You my friend are obviously very uneducated if you make a statement like that. "What money could be made?". Well let's see. The mob puts down $100 000 on McCormack and Lenny's people put down $100 000 on him. Nobody knows the amount of money involved but you can bet your ass it was a lot. Look up John McCormack on Wikipedia, there is a short read on him.
@philndave Actually, read this. At one time McLean was flown over to New York City to fight in a high-profile, multi-million pound illicit match allegedly organized by the Mafia. McLean's opponent, John McCormack, said to be the hardest man in New York, lasted three minutes. Sylvester Stallone, Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve were all in the crowd; Stallone referred to McLean as "the real Rocky." What money could be made??? Millions of dollars that's how much.
@OfficialGuvnor Millions of dollars ? Have another try mate ! Lenny Sucked..as did McCormack. who couldn't even be ranked as a contender. Lenny was a JOKE !
@OfficialGuvnor BTW..the "real Rocky was Check Wepner. The Bayonne Bleeder. Stallone actually paid Wepner 75 grand because wepners life was depicted in his movie ! Look that up !
@philndave Those aren't my own words moron, that's documented fact. Lenny sucked? ROFLMAOOOO! Let's see here. Hardest man in the UK at the time, fact! Destroyed Roy Shaw on two occasions, fact! Beat New York's hardest man in 3 minutes, fact! Over 3000 fights. Never lost an organized bare knuckle fight. Was feared and respected by the Kray's and many other underworld criminals, fact! Considered to be one of the best bare knuckle fighters to ever live, fact! Would fuck you up, FACT! Pce out pussy.
@OfficialGuvnor Ok, now I see what I'm dealing with. A blind, delusional person, who has a man crush on Lenny. Again 3000 fights ? LMAO. Respected by the Kray's ? Those fucking criminals. I didn't know the Krays set the Bar of respect in the UK. Wow you learn something new everyday !
@shanebh007 shaw seems a little bitter to me, he kept sl;agging mc clean off saying he was a mug, and calling him a poof and lenny was just relaxing before the fight not giving a fuck!! they didnt call him daddy cool for nothing!!
@shanebh007 Roy lives around the corner from me right now, you are right mate he is a top bloke. I come from Hoxton and we were all cheering when he done that liberty take Mclean.
@shanebh007 Roy lives around the corner from me right now, you are right mate he is a top bloke. I come from Hoxton and we were all cheering when he done that liberty taker Mclean
all this utter fucking nonsense about maclean and shaw. Lenny battered him second time out. The knobbled gloves theory in the first fight seem pretty obvious to me. Plus look atnthe fackin size of maclean at his peak. Shaw was a dwarf in comparison. Maclean was beaten plenty of times IN THE RING and hes happy enough to admit it. Bare knuckle though? Thats another story and we all know it...
markmywords312 3 days ago
Official Guvnor your "facts" are funny. Feared by the krays? the krays were sentanced to life when Lenny was still a kid! They didnt know who he was until years later.
3000 fights! That isnt possible!
Lenny was hard, there is no doubt, but roy shaw beat him, and lenny was 10 years younger, 8 inches taller, and 6 stone heavier.
And Lenny was beaten several times, just read his book. Now thats a fact!
MrBudgieman1 7 months ago
1 mad but hard man
TheScouserkidda 10 months ago
roy shaw broke my jaw in 1980 after i ruffled his comb over.....
zakwilks 1 year ago 3
Where the fucking hell is the whole thing
caturn88 1 year ago
Roy Shaw couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag The Tart
MissyPANGLOSS 1 year ago
roy says when the guy asks have you seen him ,"nah not bovered about him fucking mug"
jimpurdie 1 year ago
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PITBULLPAULCRAWFORD 1 year ago
lenny put in on roy after the fights because money was owed he shit his self ask frank warren
joflomclean13 1 year ago
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2whombrother 2 years ago
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2whombrother 2 years ago
will ferrell could play Roy in the film of his life.
alanr1979 2 years ago 7
shaw talks the talk but he lost twice to lenny, roy seems quite angry and aggressive but lenny was known as daddy cool1!!
goldyn12345 2 years ago
legend..
dmandman3333 2 years ago
u cant fukin spell
GrAyBoi8 2 years ago
Damn, good footage thanks for posting both of these clips!
beavisone 2 years ago
He is crazy as fuck
specialoffers2009 2 years ago
Roy is a legand, I have the upmost respect for him, In my eyes he is the Guv'nor he has the heart of a lion, He is just a legand and legands never die
shanebh007 2 years ago
Yeah he was a legend but Lew yates was the true Guv'nor
cowiehound 2 years ago
stfu
titty805 2 years ago
lew yates? fuck off shaw would of eaten him up n spat him out
uaintgothebollocks 2 years ago
Dont be stupid if you knew your stuff which you dont you'd know lew could take roy apart.
cowiehound 2 years ago
@uaintgothebollocks Is that why shaw avoided LEW for 5 years , read up the factd dildo
MrFamilyguy777 1 year ago
haha fuck off
mithffg 2 years ago
@mithffg nob
cowiehound 1 year ago
@cowiehound Lew Yates was a pussy. Shaw was hard, but not as hard as Lenny. Roy won the first because he cheated, then McLean destroyed him in the next two. Lenny is the real Guv'nor.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor Lenny won two only because he had a 13 year age advantage against Roy ! Roy was also much smaller that Lenny. Not unlike Lenny to fight smaller men. Typical Bully ! BTW..whats that light heavyweights name that knocked out Lenny twice ? Yeah..look that up mate! Lenny was OVERATED !
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave Lenny was overrated? LOL! 3000+ fights on the cobbles and only lost a few of them. He wasn't an unlicensed boxer, he was a street fighter and he was the best in the UK at the time. I have respect for both guys, I've read both their books more than once. Even if Roy was in his prime he wouldn't have beat Lenny. Johnny Waldron knocked out Lenny because he was a professional boxer and the fight was in a boxing ring. If it happened on the cobbles it would have ended differently.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor
Hey asshole..who kept the records of his 3000 fights....how fucking laughable ...
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave Lenny did bitch. If it was just Lenny's word it would be up for debate but in his wife's book she also mentions it. They were married for 29 years. Why would she lie? Lenny counts every single scrape he had as a fight. Every time he knocked out some bum at the door etc. He fought for 30+ years. A few scraps a week for 30 years would give you 3000. Shaw was a bum, plain and simple and if you think he was harder your just as fucked up in the head as him. Peace out kid.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor
So he throws a drunk out of a bar..slaps him across the face and thats a fight ? Come on, don't by into this myth. As far as his wife's book. She would lie because that was her husband. For Christ sake she's protecting his so called legacy. Don't be so naive. BTW, I'm not saying he couldn't fight in the street. But beating up drunks at a bar doesn't constitute being great fighter. There are tons of bouncers all over the USA that take liberty with people half their size
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave You do know that Lenny beat John McCormack, who was said to be the hardest man in New York at the time in less than three minutes, bare knuckle. Lenny fought bare knuckle for money, that's how he made his living. I'm guessing you read his book so you probably know all this. He was never beaten in an organized bare knuckle fight, and he had a shit load of them.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@Official Guvnor
I'm from New York.and I never heard of John McCormack. I'm not saying he didn't exist. but I also don't believe McCormack had any legacy beyond being a big tough son of a bitch who possibly worked for the mob. You have to understand this, there were, and are many huge tough guys out there in NYC alone working as bouncers/enforcers/bodyguards/ etc.As far as him never losing a bare knuckle fight I wouldn't know nothing about that. I only know his skills in the ring were minimal
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave So basically everything you have said before this gets thrown out the window because you haven't read Lenny's book and you know absolutely nothing about him. His skill in the ring was minimal because he wasn't a boxer, he was a bare knuckle fighter. Although it might not seem different there is a huge difference between the two. The Mob contacted Lenny and flew him to New York to fight John, New York's toughest man at the time. The fight lasted 3 minutes.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor
Why would the Mob set up a fight with Lenny and this McCormack ? What money could be made ? The story of Lenny's life is bits of the truth but mostly myths. Who the fuck is John McCormack.....So big and bad you can't find him through a google search.
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave You my friend are obviously very uneducated if you make a statement like that. "What money could be made?". Well let's see. The mob puts down $100 000 on McCormack and Lenny's people put down $100 000 on him. Nobody knows the amount of money involved but you can bet your ass it was a lot. Look up John McCormack on Wikipedia, there is a short read on him.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@philndave Actually, read this. At one time McLean was flown over to New York City to fight in a high-profile, multi-million pound illicit match allegedly organized by the Mafia. McLean's opponent, John McCormack, said to be the hardest man in New York, lasted three minutes. Sylvester Stallone, Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve were all in the crowd; Stallone referred to McLean as "the real Rocky." What money could be made??? Millions of dollars that's how much.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor Millions of dollars ? Have another try mate ! Lenny Sucked..as did McCormack. who couldn't even be ranked as a contender. Lenny was a JOKE !
philndave 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor BTW..the "real Rocky was Check Wepner. The Bayonne Bleeder. Stallone actually paid Wepner 75 grand because wepners life was depicted in his movie ! Look that up !
philndave 1 year ago
@philndave Those aren't my own words moron, that's documented fact. Lenny sucked? ROFLMAOOOO! Let's see here. Hardest man in the UK at the time, fact! Destroyed Roy Shaw on two occasions, fact! Beat New York's hardest man in 3 minutes, fact! Over 3000 fights. Never lost an organized bare knuckle fight. Was feared and respected by the Kray's and many other underworld criminals, fact! Considered to be one of the best bare knuckle fighters to ever live, fact! Would fuck you up, FACT! Pce out pussy.
OfficialGuvnor 1 year ago 2
@OfficialGuvnor Ok, now I see what I'm dealing with. A blind, delusional person, who has a man crush on Lenny. Again 3000 fights ? LMAO. Respected by the Kray's ? Those fucking criminals. I didn't know the Krays set the Bar of respect in the UK. Wow you learn something new everyday !
philndave 1 year ago
@OfficialGuvnor
Fact 1) . Lenny never fought 3000 street fights. (fictional #)
Fact 2) John McCormack was not the "hardest Man" in New York. (more fiction)
Fact 3) The Krays were Mental Midgets who were convicted criminals. Whofucking cares what they thought.
philndave 1 year ago
@shanebh007
He a criminal scumbag. How old are you 14 ?
kingdomofdalriada 1 year ago
@shanebh007 shaw seems a little bitter to me, he kept sl;agging mc clean off saying he was a mug, and calling him a poof and lenny was just relaxing before the fight not giving a fuck!! they didnt call him daddy cool for nothing!!
goldyn12345 1 year ago
@shanebh007 he's a hard man theres no question
lennymcleanfan 1 year ago
Erm...it's spelt LEGEND.
paulstearne 1 year ago
@paulstearne lmao
just4fun444fun 1 year ago
@shanebh007 Roy lives around the corner from me right now, you are right mate he is a top bloke. I come from Hoxton and we were all cheering when he done that liberty take Mclean.
whitenightf3 1 year ago
@shanebh007 Roy lives around the corner from me right now, you are right mate he is a top bloke. I come from Hoxton and we were all cheering when he done that liberty taker Mclean
whitenightf3 1 year ago