I'm not impressed by a documentary that uses a video game as part of the film. If you can't afford to use your own CGI effects, don't bother making the documentary. This is just a cheap way to make a documentary.
Its not the game, its the Total War engine which was released for them to use before the game even came out. Rome Total war was released on 22 sep 2004 and the Decisive Battles by the History Channel aired their 1st battle in July of 2004. A preliminary but completely workable version of the game engine was used prior to the games release
You should admire that a fist of mens stand out against a army 3 times bigger, to defend their highest value... freedom. That was tyranny for a Greek, to take off his freedom
I never mentioned that Persians did not respect the others traditions. But democracy cannot work under conqueror. Maybe it is difficult to understand because you are from a country that don't have democracy
As asian empire i meant the mesopotamians empires, which has great similarities with persian civ, and was a traditional empire. The individual has none word for his city affairs. and that is a traditional empire. Only the elite could ascend the ranks.
Aspis = Shield. Hoplon = War kit. Hoplite = Man of war. It kills me when shows like this keep perpetuating the hoplon myth. It tells me their researchers and writers don't really know what they're talking about and makes the entire show suspect.
yep, I miss this old war series. History Channel is now gaga with the "end of the world". Tell me, is that history, or future? I just wish they bring back Battles BC and Dogfights, including Battle 360. That's the golden age of warfare.
@esis123123 agreed. South Park hit them spot on with all their mumbo jumbo. I especially can't stand the present narrators, who know only war metaphors. "The volcano is setting up an ambush"
greece was thriving in crete with the minoans and the persians ate snakes ... band of barbariarias .... (greeks dont like persians as can easely understand why ... and I am greek but the world and all of civilization came from greece ... ) ...
@SlipknotPainface While you greeks where running arround and shouting "halla balla" the Egyptians build the Pyramides, the Assyrians created the largest empire of that time, and the Babylonians build a huge city equal to Rome.
If you would use some of your time to study history instead of watching movies like 300 you would understand that the greeks stole and in most cases only improved existing inventions.
Battle of Thymbra = 150000 Lydian Greeks vs 65000 Persians.
@VictumRoManius ofcourse the greeks didn't come with many new ideas. As it happens always someone takes an idea and changes it to better or worse. But only the idea of adopting characteristics of other cultures and building on them shows that they were openminded in a world who wasn't. Not mentioning the fact that the philosophy which is the basis of modern morals was born there. And also i'm sure that democracy didn't exist in persian empire too.
@VictumRoManius and about the battle of thymbra, i think that just like the battle of thermopylae favored the greek way of fight, persians were in favor there. War is not what its presented nowdays. The winner is the one who has the most advances not the one who fights for an idea. Such are battlefield, deployment, supplies and morale. The greeks had these in greco-persian wars. The persians had those in ionian wars.
i always think these "documentaries" are going to be hella legit, but no, u open em up, and they're ran on horrible graphics and extravagant ridiculousness. sorry. Im a serious history-loving intellectual, although a sadly disappointed one.
wtf at 6:56 how can it be the actual replica when english is only 1000 year old and this helmet is suppose to be 2500 years old????? greeks never spoke english..
wtf at 6:56 how can it be the actual replica when english is only 1000 year old and this helemt is suppose to be 2500 years old????? greeks never spoke english..
The Helmet of Miltiades is a symbol of Western civilization. It represents the steadfastness of Western man to stand against tyranny and the power of the free citizen soldier to defeat the vast hordes of coerced subjects of Kings and Emperors.
@ramin85 Because the Pelloponesus landscape is full of mountains and hills..A horse would be of no use and the most important thing is tha Pheidipides and most runners in general used mountain paths and shortcuts in order to avoid thieves and reach their destination much faster...
@davy13682 If you fight a batlle beside the ocean with your navy in the view you can. Also they got the Unoffical rome total war. thats house there using so many troops
@ShowYourWorking IS it really? What happens if you lead a couple of thousand sheeps into the mouth of a well trained, heavy armored, pack of wolves? Massacre happens! Take Thermopylae for example. 4-5K men fighting against HUNDREDS of thousands! BUT not at the same time. You ALL do this mistake you think that a greek fought 50 men at the same time. All battles were a tactical genius, Marathon,Thermopylae,Salamis etc Greek casualties were minimun or not at all compared to the persian!
You know that at Marathon the Greeks were saved from destruction only because the auxiliaries on the Persian flanks managed to break before the Persian center could wrap up the Greek flanks? For clarification - there were at most (probably a lot less, though) than 16k Achaemenid troops at Marathon, out of which 1000 saka cavalry were rendered useless by the terrain, and about 5k were auxiliary Greeks. Only 10 thousand were regular Persian infantry, of whom only
@yperionas ...2000 were spearmen (archer infantry to spear infantry ration in a hundred men sabatam was 80:20). So what we get is that 11 thousand Greeks almost lost to about 6-7 thousand Achaemenid troops, as neither the archers, nor the cavalry were of any use in that battle.
Persian/Mede infantry (always the best troops in the army) - no more than 30 thousand
10 thousand companion infantry
About 10 thousand cavalry, 3000 Scythian light cavalry, 5000 Mede/Persian heavy cavalry, 2000 Massagetae lancers
30 thousand auxiliary infantry, including: Mesopotamian spearmen, Ionian hoplites, Egyptian infantry, skirmishers from mountainous regions and axemen from the Iranian plateau.
@migkillerphantom Modern estimation based on what? Based that you can't accept that Persia lost the war by a much smaller country? Greece(not even a million population) mobilize 100.000 soldiers on Plateaus and the Persian Empire with 50mil population invaded Greece with 70.000? Your logic,your numbers and your modern estimations is totally wrong based on no real facts or evidence. The history is already writen and you can't change it.
@Stratigoz Ever heard of a thing called LOGISTICS? Soldiers have to eat, have to be paid, and have to be equipped. The most daunting task is feeding the army, and sending even 70 thousand troops over a sea to a place with no roads or supply depots is incredibly difficult. In defense - maybe they could sustain up to a 150 thousand. But not so far from their own territory. Remember, it was fucking 480BC, there was no such thing as airlifts.
@migkillerphantom Go read some fucking books for god sake..Persians the years before the invation built huge hangars all the way to the Macedonia to supply the invation.Plus their huge fleet could supply the army extra.Greece mobilize 100.000 men in Plateaus and Persia with 50mil popul. and the experience of defeat 10 years ago would never invade with only 70k men. Plus don't fucking compare a modern army with an ancient one..
@Stratigoz No you're fucking not. It was the ancient era, you had to transport supplies by carts and ships. Population didn't count for shit. What books? What "hangars"? You couldn't store food for longer than a few months back then. PLUS SOLDIERS HAVE TO BE PAID AS WELL. "Only" 70k? You do realize that 10 thousand was considered a large army back then?
@migkillerphantom 1)If you don't know about the preparation of the Persians to invade Greece go read books and stop wasting my time.2)All of the Persian army was mercenaries? Are you high?3) Only southern Greeks mobilize 100.000 so Persians couldn't invade with your ridicoulus 70.000 strong army.Your only arguement is based in ''theory'' that a ancient army couldn't be supplied with more than 70.000men. 4)10.000 men large army?You do realize that you are stupid?
@Stratigoz 10 thousand men was a standard Achaemenid field army. Of course, you like to imagine your ancestors slaughtered millions of inferior human beings, but that simply isn't the case. Now get back to real life, you retard.
@migkillerphantom And if we accept your ridiculous theory about 70.000 Persian army, why the Persians after their defeat didn't invade more times later? Persian could mobilize millions of men.Both their population and economy could support that numbers. And the answer is known to all non Iranis historians.Persian army was huge and after his defeat couldn't regroup fast and the Greek coalition started offensive operations so the Persians lost the initiative.Good day.
@Stratigoz 70 thousand is ridiculous? What? It makes infinitely more sense than 250 thousand. Most of the "Historians" simply take Herodotus at face value, ignoring what they choose to ignore. Do you know anything about the Achaemenids, actually? Millions of men? Proof for that? Rome was a more populous state, and it's army stood at 450 thousand TOTAL in its height.
@migkillerphantom Rome's army was highly trained PROFESSIONAL army genious. Not millions at the same time, I mean the capability of mobilize more and more armies in case of defeat.You said that Persian empire lost the war after the destruction of a 70.000 men army.Greece mobilize 100.000 men at plateaus and Persian army was at least 2.5 times bigger.It seems I know more for Achaemenids and their war preperation about you.I don't give a fuck if an angry Irani doesn't believe Herodotus.Cheers!
@Stratigoz I am not from Iran, retard. Can you provide a single modern source that backs up any of your claims?
I mean, if you're such a retard, I'll have to make a simple answer: YOU COULDN'T FEED AN ARMY LARGER THAN 80 THOUSAND OVER A SEA IN 480BC. NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN YOUR EMPIRE, YOU CAN'T PROVIDE THE ARMY WITH ENOUGH FOOD QUICKLY ENOUGH.
You are such a retard, I wonder how you survived childhood.
@migkillerphantom You don't even know what a professional army is.I am retard but still you know nothing about history.The all mighty Persian Empire with hundreds of thousands men armies crushed by small and poor Greece and you can't do anything about this.
@Stratigoz If an army is paid wages, it's professional.
Shut the fuck up, you are wasting my time. And thank god you admitted you're a retard.
You don't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of convincing me anyway, since it is obvious I am more educated on the subject. Stop repeating yourself and go to bed.
@migkillerphantom I don't need to convice a retard Iranian about anything, history is writen..Run out of even stupid arguements and then start the trolling. Fuck off!
@Stratigoz Trolling is the act of deliberately provoking a heated discussion/subtly humiliating someone. No one has humiliated you or provoked you in any way except yourself.
@migkillerphantom When someone runs out of arguements and starts call names such as retard,12year old and go to bed that is the epitome of trolling-flaming..Sorry I forgot you are from Antarctica.lmao
@Stratigoz If you haven't noticed by now, whenever I provide a sensible argument, you start saying I am a stupid Iranian, etc., not even trying to think. Why should I treat you in any other way? You simply don't know anything about the Achaemenid empire to begin with.
@migkillerphantom You say that the Persians couldn't supply bigger army than 70k.That is not an arguement, is your assumption based on..nothing..I say that Persians could supply their army and I justify using known reasons I read in many books(not only Greek ones).You say that Herodotus is not trustworthy cause he was Greek.That is not an arguement,is your assumption.You started flamming and trolling not me.Btw I still believe you are Iranian.
@Stratigoz Wait, I started this? You are the one who started a flamewar without even making a coherent argument. Herodotus is not trustworthy because he's an ancient author, and yes, because he's Greek. His works had propaganda value, and I'm not dissing him for that. It's natural. But you, on the other hand, are a retard, because you seriously think the empire could deploy millions of troops in the shithole with no infrastructure that Greece was (and still is today).
@yperionas Casualties - given the length of combat engagements, we can assume about 300-1500 infantry died on the first day, 100-300 on the second, and negligible casualties on the third. Greeks lost about 1500. Maximum Persian casualties - 1900; Greek - 1500. Ratio - 1.23:1
Huh...the greeks fought for "freedom" yet... they had more slaves in all of their Poleis (city states) than any other nation at the time (besides Persia).
@AllanGarcia88 I know my history, but my point is that they were fighting for 'freedom' of the aristocratic classes when they learned that all people regardless of class, race or religion deserve freedom as well, then i will believe that this was the birthplace of democracy... until then, no the greeks were fighting for a... an idea that would EVENTUALLY transform into what we see today. As people fighting for freedom from an outside invader.
@yperionas Like i said, I know my history but if you wish for me to do so, well alright, heres the definition of a slave: " a person who is owned by someone, slavery; a forced form hard labor against your will" i know what a slave is BUT YOU have to understand what I am saying. The Greeks were fighting for an IDEA of freedom the world that THEY were in was full of slaves, so they really only had an idea of "Freedom" freedom for the rich and freedom to keep doing as THEY wanted.
"The spartans threw the second pair down a well" We all what this degenerated into XD also athenians didn't hate slavery.They thought it was perfectly normal
@TheWoodstock2009 ARE YOU JOKING?we fought this day because he hated slavery that is what miltiedes siad to the athenians.that if they will surrender to the perisans they will become slaves,that if they will fight and lose they will die and if survive they will become slaves but he said what if we win?thats the way he make the athenians change their minds about fighting the persians(we didnt wanted at first)and we won!!!!!
seems silly to me to place "Turkey" on this map as there were no Turks there at the time and would not be for al1000 years. Asia Minor would have been better.
The Spartans weren't arrogant, they were prevented by a religious festival and they arrived at the end of the battle, I hardly consider that arrogant.
if you are interested to see some battles reconstitution watch my channel i have the battle of marathon from the history channels series Battles BC and i will post more soon
What really sucks is that the Historic Battles they provide for you to play on Rome Total War, with a scenario, were really irrelevant battles compared to the Battle of Zama, Thermopylae, Marathon, Cannae, Issus, Gaugamela, etc. Lake Trebia is the only one worth playing...the rest were far less important battles.
Is that.. Captain Speirs?
AshTheMohican 23 hours ago
I'm not impressed by a documentary that uses a video game as part of the film. If you can't afford to use your own CGI effects, don't bother making the documentary. This is just a cheap way to make a documentary.
AlternityGM 1 day ago
new game technology? rome total warfrom 2002
minecraftdude1w 6 days ago
@minecraftdude1w Cause this video was made yesterday...
rBabaly 4 days ago
4:28 Is this necessary?
PhalangitePower 6 days ago
Rome - Total war <3 *-*
MrAgnostosAnonymos 1 week ago
Anyone realize that at 1:19 it says spain on the map just off the heel of Italy
Halfbrowse 3 weeks ago 2
lol rome total war is win
AlexaSylvia 1 month ago 3
i wonder what was PTSD like during the ancient times.
gagatep450 1 month ago
150 miles and 2 days later and yet no help i bet i know what he said when sparta said no lol
Brutus5th 1 month ago
lol rome total war^^
getson84 1 month ago
My gosh! 2 days running to the other city, running all day... fuck me...
AndarilhoMarco 1 month ago
Take 56 @ 4:27 :)
BraBruce 2 months ago
total war rocks
mariomario9595 2 months ago
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HAHAHAHA nice one
mariomario9595 2 months ago
So there were no aliens in that battle? What a disappointment.
statecollegeblues 2 months ago
They even used the music from Rome. This is pretty sweet.
ninjaking333 2 months ago
lol 9/11
97ginoVDB 2 months ago
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Its not the game, its the Total War engine which was released for them to use before the game even came out. Rome Total war was released on 22 sep 2004 and the Decisive Battles by the History Channel aired their 1st battle in July of 2004. A preliminary but completely workable version of the game engine was used prior to the games release
wulfx51 2 months ago
i fucking love Rome total war
skcusderf 2 months ago
Wait... what were those things on the water? Boats... weren't they boats!!!
Why didn't we have naval battles in Rome Total War if you made the boats on commission >:(
Hell you could have done a program on the battle of Salamis in order to get the funding xD
*sigh*
Good to see the Total war series has had such a wide spread effect.
Comando96 2 months ago
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MrVerstingen 1 month ago
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Futuregohan14 2 months ago
Rome: Total War?
Crucidildo 2 months ago
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A lot more than 2000 years ago
frother 2 months ago
Fuck Frank Miller.
sharkcellar 2 months ago 15
@sharkcellar Swear to God I was just about to post that lol
paulmcguineapig1 2 months ago
God, even they even use the music from Rome:Total War. Hilarious
USERACCOUNT40001 2 months ago
A T H E N S
P O W E R ! ! !
RS13GEO 2 months ago in playlist Ντοκιμαντέρ
Thumbs up if you got here from David Brin!
afakaz 2 months ago 234
@afakaz es horrible
Trochey 1 month ago
Uh, I have this game.
420LiquorStore 2 months ago
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Greeks can never be MAKEDONIANS. Greeks are Greeks and MAKEDONIANS are Makedoniens.
Viva la MAKEDONIA 4 all MAKEDONIANS and his friends but never 4 Greeks.
Devoj4E 2 months ago
You should admire that a fist of mens stand out against a army 3 times bigger, to defend their highest value... freedom. That was tyranny for a Greek, to take off his freedom
eltarlantezos 2 months ago
I never mentioned that Persians did not respect the others traditions. But democracy cannot work under conqueror. Maybe it is difficult to understand because you are from a country that don't have democracy
eltarlantezos 2 months ago
As asian empire i meant the mesopotamians empires, which has great similarities with persian civ, and was a traditional empire. The individual has none word for his city affairs. and that is a traditional empire. Only the elite could ascend the ranks.
eltarlantezos 2 months ago
political porn.... the only kind of porn the internet lacks...
hak525 2 months ago
Lmfao. The guy from Gossip Girl is in History Channel. Rofl Rofl Rofl.
reqiuemforadream 2 months ago
New video game technology =D
This is few years old series..?
Airsoftrisupetteri 3 months ago
TOTAL WAR! :D
abc114able 3 months ago 2
Aspis = Shield. Hoplon = War kit. Hoplite = Man of war. It kills me when shows like this keep perpetuating the hoplon myth. It tells me their researchers and writers don't really know what they're talking about and makes the entire show suspect.
eXcommunicate1979 3 months ago
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Now why did Rome: Total War not have epic naval battles?
GrovyleXShinyCelebi 3 months ago 3
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GrovyleXShinyCelebi 3 months ago
video game technology. fuck yeah
imfromtambunan 3 months ago
LOL rome total war.
snipeefox 3 months ago
spartan kicked their ass
StrathendrickPiper 3 months ago
2:39 did i just hear ballistical essentially porn?
XXXprisonguardXXX 3 months ago
Meh, gauchos can outdo the Spartans...
EvilFingerTeacher 4 months ago
Rome total war for the win!!!
ryanarilus 4 months ago 7
@ryanarilus Yeah dude, awesome!
ibanezgeorge 3 months ago
was there ever a crisis when the bloody spartians weren't celebrating something and thus couldn't fight?
topperheartramada 4 months ago
@resignator
yep, I miss this old war series. History Channel is now gaga with the "end of the world". Tell me, is that history, or future? I just wish they bring back Battles BC and Dogfights, including Battle 360. That's the golden age of warfare.
esis123123 5 months ago 48
@esis123123 agreed. South Park hit them spot on with all their mumbo jumbo. I especially can't stand the present narrators, who know only war metaphors. "The volcano is setting up an ambush"
tristbjorn 2 months ago
@esis123123 seriously, how do people like ice road truckers and nostradamus?
brohan914 1 month ago
how did all those horses at 3:47 get off those few boats
myballisticbeetz123 5 months ago
after he jumped out of the boat he said to himself "tht wasnt a good idea AT ALL"
chrsplnc 5 months ago
1:12 Dude, why are you standing on a grave? Don't you have any respect for the deads? >:O
aminoacid1648856 5 months ago 2
They need a sea battle mod for RTW
aminoacid1648856 5 months ago
um does anybody realize that this battle took place exactly 2,491 years earlier than the terrorist attacks in 2001
eagleeye7295 5 months ago
persians fail.........marthon....raped....thermopyle....EPIC RAPE
CCCP307 5 months ago
there are no ships in rome total war! DAMMMIT I WISH THERE WAS
purefatdude2 6 months ago 2
I love how they use rome total war to simulate hte battles
glennie5000 6 months ago
best thing about this show, was that they used rome total war. awesome
madhatter1990a 6 months ago
@madhatter1990a thats the game thanks thats been driving me up a wall
Icebergeification 6 months ago
greece was thriving in crete with the minoans and the persians ate snakes ... band of barbariarias .... (greeks dont like persians as can easely understand why ... and I am greek but the world and all of civilization came from greece ... ) ...
SlipknotPainface 6 months ago
@SlipknotPainface While you greeks where running arround and shouting "halla balla" the Egyptians build the Pyramides, the Assyrians created the largest empire of that time, and the Babylonians build a huge city equal to Rome.
If you would use some of your time to study history instead of watching movies like 300 you would understand that the greeks stole and in most cases only improved existing inventions.
Battle of Thymbra = 150000 Lydian Greeks vs 65000 Persians.
Victor = Persia.
VictumRoManius 5 months ago
@VictumRoManius ofcourse the greeks didn't come with many new ideas. As it happens always someone takes an idea and changes it to better or worse. But only the idea of adopting characteristics of other cultures and building on them shows that they were openminded in a world who wasn't. Not mentioning the fact that the philosophy which is the basis of modern morals was born there. And also i'm sure that democracy didn't exist in persian empire too.
deanor2 3 months ago
@VictumRoManius and about the battle of thymbra, i think that just like the battle of thermopylae favored the greek way of fight, persians were in favor there. War is not what its presented nowdays. The winner is the one who has the most advances not the one who fights for an idea. Such are battlefield, deployment, supplies and morale. The greeks had these in greco-persian wars. The persians had those in ionian wars.
deanor2 3 months ago
i always think these "documentaries" are going to be hella legit, but no, u open em up, and they're ran on horrible graphics and extravagant ridiculousness. sorry. Im a serious history-loving intellectual, although a sadly disappointed one.
TheLegendJKil 6 months ago
9/11 lol, iguess even back then Al-Qaeda existed as Persia
comgreeblyrex 6 months ago
Miltiades is a demigod son of athena. sorry had to say that percy jackson fan/
ReconSniperGuy 7 months ago
Maaaaaaaan Im BUYING THAT GAME!!!
ReconSniperGuy 7 months ago
OMG WOULDNT IT BE HILARIOUS SEEING GUYS LIKE ALEXANDER,ATTILA,OR EVEN CAESAR PLAYING THIS GAME? SEEING ATTILA JUST RAGE AFTER LOSING
imhungry4444 7 months ago
wtf at 6:56 how can it be the actual replica when english is only 1000 year old and this helmet is suppose to be 2500 years old????? greeks never spoke english..
khan233 7 months ago in playlist Ancient Battlefields
wtf at 6:56 how can it be the actual replica when english is only 1000 year old and this helemt is suppose to be 2500 years old????? greeks never spoke english..
khan233 7 months ago in playlist Ancient Battlefields
@khan233 Miltiades is a Greek name...
Shahin2102 6 months ago
@Shahin2102 the letters are english
khan233 6 months ago
@khan233 No they're not, they're Greek capital letters. Does the Delta look english to you?
Shahin2102 6 months ago
Rome total war best game ever
Graham6762 7 months ago 2
2:40 political porn XD
ChangaThacua 7 months ago 20
+ there were no Persian horses
Dimrovski 8 months ago
It can be good for education, if the correct nuances are made. 1:45 Hippias was not a cruel ruler. tss...
Dimrovski 8 months ago
The Helmet of Miltiades is a symbol of Western civilization. It represents the steadfastness of Western man to stand against tyranny and the power of the free citizen soldier to defeat the vast hordes of coerced subjects of Kings and Emperors.
ImaginedWriter 8 months ago
rofl ! if all u said was right ...!
cleverlybideIt 7 months ago
Question to herodotus: why wasn't Pheidippides given a horse?!
ramin85 8 months ago
@ramin85 Because the Pelloponesus landscape is full of mountains and hills..A horse would be of no use and the most important thing is tha Pheidipides and most runners in general used mountain paths and shortcuts in order to avoid thieves and reach their destination much faster...
TheKILLA317 7 months ago
The pronunciation of Greek and Persian names is hilarious. Mill-TY-adees LOL, Der-II-us LMFAO
boru1982 8 months ago
how did they get 4:44, you can't play ship battles in rome total war?
davy13682 8 months ago
@davy13682 If you fight a batlle beside the ocean with your navy in the view you can. Also they got the Unoffical rome total war. thats house there using so many troops
TrueGamingPrince 8 months ago
@davy13682 its a mod
jayjay042298456 7 months ago
i knew it! video games can also be educative!
JayEmStyles 8 months ago
Glorious Hellas....
LiverpoolGreece4ever 8 months ago
THIS IS SPARTA!!!
leegeorgeson 8 months ago
@leegeorgeson ...you mean this is Athens!!!
mrkariolis 8 months ago 3
political porn :D
iicool100 8 months ago 2
I remember when History channel actually had great series like this. Now, it's all 2012, ufo, or Nostradamus bullshit.
resignator 8 months ago 82
@resignator i agree
JayEmStyles 8 months ago
@resignator
and they say in an advertisement: tonight, history turns ancient!
what kind of bullshit is that, HISTORY = ANCIENT
davy13682 8 months ago
@resignator and bunch od guys thatt chope wood :D hahahhaha
tynko96 6 months ago
@resignator totally agree bro. But there are still some good left. Guess they ran out of money
purefatdude2 6 months ago
@resignator exactly now they just have like 20 documents of how the end of the world COULD happen. It won't happen for a while.
beastjason65 5 months ago
@resignator even worst with all that pickers, top shot, and pawn shop crap!
lirannine 5 months ago
@resignator yep.
Dogmeat1950 5 months ago
What was the point of him jumping out of a boat?
JallenMeodia 9 months ago 23
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@JallenMeodia
"What was the point of him jumping out of a boat?"
To go ashore?
palasta 8 months ago
@JallenMeodia His legs were already wet before jumping out too... blatantly not the first take
clandestine266 5 months ago
there showing the battle on rome total war
gangstarz5 9 months ago
Democracy began in Greece, but it wasn't the democracy that you or I know.
ConsurgoTitanus 9 months ago
@ShowYourWorking IS it really? What happens if you lead a couple of thousand sheeps into the mouth of a well trained, heavy armored, pack of wolves? Massacre happens! Take Thermopylae for example. 4-5K men fighting against HUNDREDS of thousands! BUT not at the same time. You ALL do this mistake you think that a greek fought 50 men at the same time. All battles were a tactical genius, Marathon,Thermopylae,Salamis etc Greek casualties were minimun or not at all compared to the persian!
yperionas 9 months ago
@yperionas Bull. Fucking. Shit.
You know that at Marathon the Greeks were saved from destruction only because the auxiliaries on the Persian flanks managed to break before the Persian center could wrap up the Greek flanks? For clarification - there were at most (probably a lot less, though) than 16k Achaemenid troops at Marathon, out of which 1000 saka cavalry were rendered useless by the terrain, and about 5k were auxiliary Greeks. Only 10 thousand were regular Persian infantry, of whom only
migkillerphantom 7 months ago
@migkillerphantom WOW! A flame war for fucking history? Somebody really needs to teleport me to a much saner world.
trppmdm 5 months ago
@yperionas ...2000 were spearmen (archer infantry to spear infantry ration in a hundred men sabatam was 80:20). So what we get is that 11 thousand Greeks almost lost to about 6-7 thousand Achaemenid troops, as neither the archers, nor the cavalry were of any use in that battle.
migkillerphantom 7 months ago
@yperionas At Thermopylae:
Modern estimates - 79 thousand troops
Persian/Mede infantry (always the best troops in the army) - no more than 30 thousand
10 thousand companion infantry
About 10 thousand cavalry, 3000 Scythian light cavalry, 5000 Mede/Persian heavy cavalry, 2000 Massagetae lancers
30 thousand auxiliary infantry, including: Mesopotamian spearmen, Ionian hoplites, Egyptian infantry, skirmishers from mountainous regions and axemen from the Iranian plateau.
migkillerphantom 7 months ago
@migkillerphantom Modern estimation based on what? Based that you can't accept that Persia lost the war by a much smaller country? Greece(not even a million population) mobilize 100.000 soldiers on Plateaus and the Persian Empire with 50mil population invaded Greece with 70.000? Your logic,your numbers and your modern estimations is totally wrong based on no real facts or evidence. The history is already writen and you can't change it.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz Ever heard of a thing called LOGISTICS? Soldiers have to eat, have to be paid, and have to be equipped. The most daunting task is feeding the army, and sending even 70 thousand troops over a sea to a place with no roads or supply depots is incredibly difficult. In defense - maybe they could sustain up to a 150 thousand. But not so far from their own territory. Remember, it was fucking 480BC, there was no such thing as airlifts.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom Go read some fucking books for god sake..Persians the years before the invation built huge hangars all the way to the Macedonia to supply the invation.Plus their huge fleet could supply the army extra.Greece mobilize 100.000 men in Plateaus and Persia with 50mil popul. and the experience of defeat 10 years ago would never invade with only 70k men. Plus don't fucking compare a modern army with an ancient one..
P.S I am aware of the logistics very well.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz No you're fucking not. It was the ancient era, you had to transport supplies by carts and ships. Population didn't count for shit. What books? What "hangars"? You couldn't store food for longer than a few months back then. PLUS SOLDIERS HAVE TO BE PAID AS WELL. "Only" 70k? You do realize that 10 thousand was considered a large army back then?
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom 1)If you don't know about the preparation of the Persians to invade Greece go read books and stop wasting my time.2)All of the Persian army was mercenaries? Are you high?3) Only southern Greeks mobilize 100.000 so Persians couldn't invade with your ridicoulus 70.000 strong army.Your only arguement is based in ''theory'' that a ancient army couldn't be supplied with more than 70.000men. 4)10.000 men large army?You do realize that you are stupid?
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz 10 thousand men was a standard Achaemenid field army. Of course, you like to imagine your ancestors slaughtered millions of inferior human beings, but that simply isn't the case. Now get back to real life, you retard.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom And if we accept your ridiculous theory about 70.000 Persian army, why the Persians after their defeat didn't invade more times later? Persian could mobilize millions of men.Both their population and economy could support that numbers. And the answer is known to all non Iranis historians.Persian army was huge and after his defeat couldn't regroup fast and the Greek coalition started offensive operations so the Persians lost the initiative.Good day.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz 70 thousand is ridiculous? What? It makes infinitely more sense than 250 thousand. Most of the "Historians" simply take Herodotus at face value, ignoring what they choose to ignore. Do you know anything about the Achaemenids, actually? Millions of men? Proof for that? Rome was a more populous state, and it's army stood at 450 thousand TOTAL in its height.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom Rome's army was highly trained PROFESSIONAL army genious. Not millions at the same time, I mean the capability of mobilize more and more armies in case of defeat.You said that Persian empire lost the war after the destruction of a 70.000 men army.Greece mobilize 100.000 men at plateaus and Persian army was at least 2.5 times bigger.It seems I know more for Achaemenids and their war preperation about you.I don't give a fuck if an angry Irani doesn't believe Herodotus.Cheers!
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz I am not from Iran, retard. Can you provide a single modern source that backs up any of your claims?
I mean, if you're such a retard, I'll have to make a simple answer: YOU COULDN'T FEED AN ARMY LARGER THAN 80 THOUSAND OVER A SEA IN 480BC. NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN YOUR EMPIRE, YOU CAN'T PROVIDE THE ARMY WITH ENOUGH FOOD QUICKLY ENOUGH.
You are such a retard, I wonder how you survived childhood.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@Stratigoz Oh, and BTW, the Achaemenid army WAS FUCKING PROFESSIONAL AS WELL. Are all Greeks as retarded as you are?
Oh wait, you're twelve. Sorry man, when you grow up you'll understand the value of objective thinking.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom You don't even know what a professional army is.I am retard but still you know nothing about history.The all mighty Persian Empire with hundreds of thousands men armies crushed by small and poor Greece and you can't do anything about this.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz pro·fes·sion·al (pr-fsh-nl)
adj.
1.
a. Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers, doctors, and other professional people.
b. Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
2. Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career: a professional writer.
3. Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
4. Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@Stratigoz If an army is paid wages, it's professional.
Shut the fuck up, you are wasting my time. And thank god you admitted you're a retard.
You don't stand a snowflake's chance in hell of convincing me anyway, since it is obvious I am more educated on the subject. Stop repeating yourself and go to bed.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom I don't need to convice a retard Iranian about anything, history is writen..Run out of even stupid arguements and then start the trolling. Fuck off!
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz Trolling is the act of deliberately provoking a heated discussion/subtly humiliating someone. No one has humiliated you or provoked you in any way except yourself.
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME: I AM NOT IRANIAN
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom When someone runs out of arguements and starts call names such as retard,12year old and go to bed that is the epitome of trolling-flaming..Sorry I forgot you are from Antarctica.lmao
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz If you haven't noticed by now, whenever I provide a sensible argument, you start saying I am a stupid Iranian, etc., not even trying to think. Why should I treat you in any other way? You simply don't know anything about the Achaemenid empire to begin with.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom You say that the Persians couldn't supply bigger army than 70k.That is not an arguement, is your assumption based on..nothing..I say that Persians could supply their army and I justify using known reasons I read in many books(not only Greek ones).You say that Herodotus is not trustworthy cause he was Greek.That is not an arguement,is your assumption.You started flamming and trolling not me.Btw I still believe you are Iranian.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz Wait, I started this? You are the one who started a flamewar without even making a coherent argument. Herodotus is not trustworthy because he's an ancient author, and yes, because he's Greek. His works had propaganda value, and I'm not dissing him for that. It's natural. But you, on the other hand, are a retard, because you seriously think the empire could deploy millions of troops in the shithole with no infrastructure that Greece was (and still is today).
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@Stratigoz So go copulate with a goat or whatever you do in Greece for passing you free time.
migkillerphantom 6 months ago
@migkillerphantom Thanks you prove my point. More books, less yt next time.
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@Stratigoz lol
D3ltaH3adSh0tz1997 6 months ago
@D3ltaH3adSh0tz1997 ^^
Stratigoz 6 months ago
@yperionas Casualties - given the length of combat engagements, we can assume about 300-1500 infantry died on the first day, 100-300 on the second, and negligible casualties on the third. Greeks lost about 1500. Maximum Persian casualties - 1900; Greek - 1500. Ratio - 1.23:1
migkillerphantom 7 months ago
Finally, games can now be used for EDUCATION to make it more interesting
potco133 9 months ago
9-11-490 BC Thats crazy!
1UnitedStatesSpartan 10 months ago
@1UnitedStatesSpartan urgh that's disturbing...
TheWoodstock2009 10 months ago
Huh...the greeks fought for "freedom" yet... they had more slaves in all of their Poleis (city states) than any other nation at the time (besides Persia).
How ironic.
ConsurgoTitanus 10 months ago
@ConsurgoTitanus
slavery was normal in that times. We cannot speak about the antiquity without see the backguard of all their society and what they think.
AllanGarcia88 10 months ago
@AllanGarcia88 I know my history, but my point is that they were fighting for 'freedom' of the aristocratic classes when they learned that all people regardless of class, race or religion deserve freedom as well, then i will believe that this was the birthplace of democracy... until then, no the greeks were fighting for a... an idea that would EVENTUALLY transform into what we see today. As people fighting for freedom from an outside invader.
ConsurgoTitanus 10 months ago
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yperionas 9 months ago
@yperionas Like i said, I know my history but if you wish for me to do so, well alright, heres the definition of a slave: " a person who is owned by someone, slavery; a forced form hard labor against your will" i know what a slave is BUT YOU have to understand what I am saying. The Greeks were fighting for an IDEA of freedom the world that THEY were in was full of slaves, so they really only had an idea of "Freedom" freedom for the rich and freedom to keep doing as THEY wanted.
ConsurgoTitanus 9 months ago
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yperionas 9 months ago
@yperionas lol yea i am sure buddy, I KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT, MY POINT WAS SARCASM YOU NARCISSISTIC FUCK.
OUR DISCUSSION ENDS WHEN I SAY IT ENDS.
and it ends now :)
ConsurgoTitanus 9 months ago
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@ConsurgoTitanus Hahahaha you are pathetic!
yperionas 9 months ago
@ConsurgoTitanus
they had slaves too and they wanted to execute what they used to believe freely! yeah ;)
what's freedom?
cleverlybideIt 7 months ago
rome total war!
ESfilming 10 months ago
"The spartans threw the second pair down a well" We all what this degenerated into XD also athenians didn't hate slavery.They thought it was perfectly normal
TheWoodstock2009 10 months ago
@TheWoodstock2009 ARE YOU JOKING?we fought this day because he hated slavery that is what miltiedes siad to the athenians.that if they will surrender to the perisans they will become slaves,that if they will fight and lose they will die and if survive they will become slaves but he said what if we win?thats the way he make the athenians change their minds about fighting the persians(we didnt wanted at first)and we won!!!!!
COMMANDERGRAVEN123 10 months ago
@TheWoodstock2009
Slavery was normal in all the world in the anciente times =(
AllanGarcia88 10 months ago
If people dont like something then why the heck do they watch it?!?
Brehen1996 10 months ago
RTW for ever
MrOrestios 11 months ago
seems silly to me to place "Turkey" on this map as there were no Turks there at the time and would not be for al1000 years. Asia Minor would have been better.
bklynbroker 11 months ago
on 911 490 bc, and since then the taliban started to terrify the world
PeterTheChinesePanda 11 months ago 2
The Spartans weren't arrogant, they were prevented by a religious festival and they arrived at the end of the battle, I hardly consider that arrogant.
Jaxonbass 1 year ago
3:03 THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!
Condom007of007Solace 1 year ago
1:11 Middle Easterners sure loves to fuck with Westerners on that day, don't they? XD
Condom007of007Solace 1 year ago
leonidas: you, what is your profession?
athenian: potter
leonidas: and you?
athenian: blacksmith
leonidas: SPARTANS! WHAT IS YOUR PROFFESSION!?
SPARTANS: AROOOH! AROOOH!
leonidas: you see? i brought more soldiers than you
TheRugbyfullback 1 year ago 4
Conquer Greece with 30 000 peasants Hahahaha
TheJuvelir 1 year ago 2
The Greeks hated the idea of slavery, thats why Sparta was the largest slave based society in antiquity...
Mistermax30 1 year ago
@Mistermax30 Athens hated slavery.
JFCPantheras 11 months ago
@JFCPantheras Yet they had slaves.
Mistermax30 11 months ago
@Mistermax30 I didn't say they weren't hypocrites. :)
JFCPantheras 11 months ago
@JFCPantheras Lol, who isn't a hypocrite...
Mistermax30 11 months ago
@Mistermax30 maaany slaves
uzickimajmunac 11 months ago
I'm sure the host dude plays RTW ;P
nameinvalide 1 year ago
Lol Greek general with a Carthaginian general and bodygaurd...
MetallicaFan035 1 year ago
if you are interested to see some battles reconstitution watch my channel i have the battle of marathon from the history channels series Battles BC and i will post more soon
rey132011 1 year ago
they found miltiadez helmet?
garyU6969 1 year ago
@garyU6969 yes
kristis61 1 year ago
@ShowYourWorking The game?? No its a great game.
Oldcartoons571 1 year ago
What really sucks is that the Historic Battles they provide for you to play on Rome Total War, with a scenario, were really irrelevant battles compared to the Battle of Zama, Thermopylae, Marathon, Cannae, Issus, Gaugamela, etc. Lake Trebia is the only one worth playing...the rest were far less important battles.
DandBMonk 1 year ago
@DandBMonk All those battles were VERY important wtf are you talking about
Oldcartoons571 1 year ago