Why Florida Needs a Marriage Amendment

[boredoutofgland]

actually there IS tons of evidence to back that homosexuality is not a choice being the result of various psychological, environmental, and biological factors there isn't a single cause of homosexuality just like there isn't a single cause for alcoholism

[miamifan47]

iprazhm:Your words are so hate filled and hurtful to a group of people who have never done anything to you.I feel very sad for you, it must be terrible to live with such hate.I forgive you because I know you don't know any better.I hope that one day you realize how much pain you cause by spewing such venom.If one of your children or grandkids turns out to be gay, then maybe you'll realize the error of your ways,until then everyone who responds to you is just wasting their time, as am I.

[miamifan47]

Hey all, I sent an e-mail to iprazhm with links to research conducted by the American Psych Assoc and the American Pediatric Assoc. that support my claim that being gay is not a choice and that gay parents make just as good parents as hetero couples and kids from same sex household grow up normal.She says that these two organizations are "suspect and corrupt". iprazhm:Why haven't you given me your information that backs up what you say? I suspect there is no credible information that backs you.

[iprazhm]

Whom you choose to have sex with is like which restaurant you go to. Where your appetite tells you to go. Nothing more. Some people, truely believe it is inherent because the gay machine has been declaring it so for many years. Ask the thousands upon thousands of known gays who returned to a straight life and are happy. Ask Anne Heche who was Ellen DeGeneres's lesbian interest for years. She ultimately married a man. But homosexuals won't talk about that. They attack anyone who reverts.

[nameless9004]

Pitiful organizations who try to change people through "therapy" are a huge problem. Many people that come out of any "therapy" of such sort are usually severely depressed and suicidal. Places like that teach you to only be ashamed of yourself. Hell, even the person who started Exodus ran off with another man. Anne Heche is probably bisexual then, just because she dated Ellen doesn't mean she is a lesbian. she wasn't reverting, their relationship obviously didn't work out for whatever reason.

[iprazhm]

See, just as I said. Gay activists either bash the reverted homosexual, or they bash the program helping them, if there is one. Blah blah blah. Thousands upon thousands of happy newly reverted heterosexuals. Living normal lives. You can never change that, nor stop it from happening. God is good, all the time. Denial is not a river in Egypt. It's what you suffer from. You grasp at straws.

[nameless9004]

Denial? I'm just voicing another view. But i guess any view that is not yours is denial right? Mind you that not everyone is god fearing nor do they have to be. Gay people go to those camps not because being gay makes them unhappy, its how society treats them. So many of them are rejected from their families, churches, communities, friends, and not to mention social functions such as marriage. Its a sad that people like you make them feel unnatural just because of what you deem "moral".

[iprazhm]

Truth is not relative. It is absolute. You cannot make the truth into a falsehood simply by viewing it in a different light. Homosexuality is defined by sex. It is not genetic or inherent, but a choice. Thousands who thought they couldn't change, have. They made a choice. Many folks become miserable in the gay lifestyle. It's like getting drunk, its a blast for a time, but torturous in the morning. The physical and emotional price is too high. Common sense is not so common to those who indulge.

[iprazhm]

Homosexuals make up about 1-5% of our population. Homosexuality is a choice. There has never been viable research proving otherwise. Homosexuality is defined by whom a person chooses to perform sexual acts on. It is not genetic, a race or species. All creditable research auggests that a home which starts with a mother and father is the optimum environment for children to thrive. Folks who suggest otherwise have no concern with the saftey or welfare of children, but their own personal agendas.

[NetProphet2K]

By the way, Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden etc. is a fictional story with no basis in fact whatsoever. I'm suprised that you played that card, too, because you lose when you play it. On one side, you have evolution with a mountain of evidence to back it up, and on the other side you have Adam and Eve...and those comments about how gay people can lead to the end of the human race is just take-your-medication-paranoid-­psycho stuff.

[iprazhm]

Yeah, you wish.

[psychopoodle27]

iprazhm- how dare you compare homosexuality to pedophilia, incest, and beastiality.

Homosexuality is love between two consenting adults, not children or animals.

I have faith in my fellow Floridians that this amendment will not pass, we are better than all of this ignorance, fear and hate.

[iprazhm]

Sexual perversion, is sexual perversion. Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with love. Heterosexuals love their same sex friends but do not choose to perform acts on their privates. It is a matter of self control. Gays allow themselves to entertain thoughts that heterosexauls dismiss or abhor. HOMO: from Latin, human being. SEXUAL: Of, relating to, involving, or characteristic of sex, sexuality, the sexes, or the sex organs and their functions. It defines perverse sexual desire, period.

[donkeyfly69]

you already said that...

[miamifan47]

Why would I choose to live where people are always staring at me and talking?I wouldn't.I simply love another man who loves me.We are both monogamous and devoted to each other.We are both educated with masters degrees and we both are excelling in our careers.The species will not die out because we are here, there are plenty of straight people for that and this ban will not make us marry either.We are who we are, no matter what laws are enacted.

[miamifan47]

I think its sad and selfish to think that this amendment is positive or in any way protects "marriage". I would like to say something about iprazhm's comment: "it is a mental process of choosing to engage in sex acts with the same sex. Choosing to live outside of social norms." I am a gay man who is in a relationship with another man. This was not a choice that I made. Why would I choose to make my life more difficult by living in a manner that most people disaprove of? There is more.....

[iprazhm]

Unless raped, who you have sex with is most definately a choice. Why does anyone choose to make their lives more difficult by violating any law of men or God? It is an ageless question. Some say 'the devil made them do it'. Imho it is lack of self control. End of story. Make a conscious decision to live with the consequences of their actions, rather than give up their actions. It is feels good, do it and the devil be darned. It's simply a lack of moral restraint.

[nameless9004]

Of course who you have sex with is a choice, but i think miamifan47 was describing his love for his partner and the normalcy of their relationship. Come on, you can't choose who you love, haven't you ever had crushes in middle or high school? How can it be any different for gay people?

[iprazhm]

Homosexual activists work to promote their behavior and force it's acceptance onto society through litigation, liberal media and irresponcible school administrations. Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with love. HOMO: from Latin, human being, SEXUAL: Of, relating to, involving, or characteristic of sex, sexuality, the sexes, or the sex organs and their functions. sexual (adj.) Implying or symbolizing erotic desires or activity. Normal folks can love their friends without copulation.

[nameless9004]

what a retarded amendment and what a retarded reason for it. We will soon be looking back in history classes and shake our heads at these very extreme people in the same way we read about Jim crow laws in schools nowadays.

[iprazhm]

If Amendments like this one stop, there would eventually be no history classes to worry about. Homosexual activists not only labor to prevert the definition of marriage and indoctrinate our children through court ordered school corriculum, they work hard to stamp out the influence of christianity or change it to suit their needs. Our nation was built on biblical law. That is the history of our country and it's people.

[NetProphet2K]

Wow, I thought that you all were trying to hide the fact that you're trying to push your religious beliefs on other people. It's ironic, because doing so is strictly prohibited by the constitution, yet when "activist" judges rule against your theocratic laws they are chastised as having "legislated from the bench". It's called checking and balancing right wing bible-thumping nutjobs and it's darn necessary when you have hate legislation like this on ballots.

[iprazhm]

If it were only Christians voting, these DOMAs wouldn't have made it into law across the country, as they have. It is ridiculus to state that only christians oppose sexual perversion and deviant attacks on their children and the holy union of marriage. Most people share a common sense that acknowledges a union of same sex individuals, if accepted, would eventually be the end of the human race. As they cannot reproduce, only recruit.

[nameless9004]

1. Gays do not "recruit", make up any theory you want but its innate, weather to choose to believe it or not.

2. being a deviant or sexual predator does not rest on the fact that someone is gay, gay or straight, your just as likely to be one.

3. Allowing gays to marry will only create more families, not destroy them.

4. Many people are starting to see the nonsense one banning same sex marriages, particularly young people.

5. You're severely misinformed.

[iprazhm]

I merely state facts, you operate from a position of false information and propoganda. The burden of proof lies solely upon the gay community and all they present to the world are lies and emotionally charged rhetoric. Young folks are endoctrinated by liberal school system and Universitys which stand to gain substanial government subsidies for this additional corriculum. Their minds are filled with rot for the political gain of perverts in high places and their useful idiot liberals.

[psychopoodle27]

If this BS passes, then I don't think I want to live in this backward, bigoted, ignorant state anymore. These people make me sick. Why can't all these hardcore, scared to death Christians move to some other state like Alabama or Mississippi where this kind of hatred is tolerated.

[iprazhm]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. If it were only Christians voting, these DOMAs wouldn't have made it into law across the country, as they have. It is ridiculus to state that only christians oppose sexual perversion and deviant attacks on their children and the holy union of marriage. Most people share a common sense that acknowledges a union of same sex individuals, if accepted, would eventually be the end of the human race. As they cannot reproduce, only recruit.

[NetProphet2K]

Shocker!!! They gathered enough petitions to put this on the ballot. I didn't see that coming. I hope Fox news covers this triumph in depth to galvanize that base to vote Republican in November. Sieg Heil!

[iprazhm]

This amendment will pass. As it has in every state where a DOMA has been voted on. Gays are such a miniscule percentage of our society, what is shocking is that they have the political power they do. If left up to the people, which is consitutionally supported, acts of sexual perversion; homosexuality, pedophilia, incest, and beastiality will never become socially acepted or supported, which is what gay activists hope to accomplish.

[iprazhm]

Every state but Arizona. Gays used scare tactics and lied to senior citizens, making them believe it would hurt them.

[donkeyfly69]

um... you should do a bit more research before you spout b.s. also it does affect senior citizens...

[iprazhm]

Only gay seniors who try to marry. Perhaps you should do a bit more research before spouting off b.s.

[nameless9004]

no...its affects all seniors who are not "married".

[iprazhm]

Thats a lie. It has no effect on domestic partnerships. Your scare tactics will not work in this state.

[donkeyfly69]

ok... it affects seniors who are not married OR dp...

your "scare tactics" are worse, lol...

[iprazhm]

No, it affects gay seniors who want to get 'married'. Period. Your scare tactics wont work in this state.

[donkeyfly69]

...no...

[benjie2429]

Such BULL....Marriage is defined by the folks who are in the agreeement man women doesn't matter to me as long if it doesn't affect me...Marriage license orginated in the USA to prevent interacial marriages between black and white folks now to me there is something fundamentally wrong about that...I think marriage is not decided by the courts and its STUPID! GOD Willing this ban doesn't pass

[iprazhm]

It doesn't matter to you because you are a member of the 'if it feels good, do it' ilk. That is not true. Marriage between a man and woman has been around since the beginning of the man and woman upon the earth. Otherwise, you would not be here. I have seen several gay activists try to turn this into a race issue. Homosexual is not a race, it is a mental process of choosing to engage in sex acts with the same sex. Choosing to live outside of social norms. Blacks are insulted by the comparison.

[donkeyfly69]

first off, i'm black and you do not speak for me, don't get it twisted. also since the beginning of time there have been homosexuals and some forms of gay marriage so tradition is not a good claim. and no one chooses to be gay, you are born that way.

[iprazhm]

You are right, I do not speak for you, as the blacks I know and love don't operate on the down low. There has never been any form of legal 'gay' marriage in this country until liberal rogue judges in liberal leaning states misinterpreted the constitution to include rights to sexual perversion. A couple states in our Union will legalize anything as long as they can regulate it and tax it. Homosexuality is 100% a choice. There is 0% proof of anything else.

[donkeyfly69]

first, i'm not on the "down low;" i'm out and proud because i have nothing to be ashamed of.

and i wasn't talking about the 200 year history of the u.s. i was talking about the history of time.

and there is no proof that homosexuality is not a choice, is there?

[iprazhm]

Sounds like a personal problem to me. Right, there is no proof that homosexuality isn't a choice. No matter how hard gays try to 'create' evidence and falsify research results, they have'nt been able to hold up under scrutiny. Having sex with a same sex partner is consensual, unless of course in the case of rape. It isn't like skin color that you are born with.

[donkeyfly69]

sorry you didn't understand. i was being sarcastic. there is proof that homosexuality is not a choice...

[iprazhm]

No there isn't. We all know that if such 'proof' existed, gay activists would spend billions announcing it to the world and then for lobbying to pass every wacko law they ever dreamed up. Unethical scientists have, many times, falsified research to suggest homosexuality is genetic. But to date, no credible evidence has surfaced, and never will.

[RPGREE02]

my questions is how can sexuality be genetic? And if it is, how can a homosexual get a gene from two heterosexuals? Psychologically, I can see how the characterization of a person can be changed through childhood that would lead them to homosexuality, but through that lifestyle, life cannot spring forth, and if life cannot spring forth and death will nonetheless ensue, then how does the homosexual gene reproduce?

[benjie2429]

Well i acutlaly agree with iprazhm i think homosexually maybe a choice because there are some folks i know who claim to be homosexuals but have been with both sex and go back and forth and change their minds...I do believe a person makes a choice in who they get involve with...But i don't believe in having a ban on same sex marriage..

[informatist]

What about all the families that this amendment will destroy?

Many of them are heterosexual and even Christian.

What these people aren't telling you is that Children will not be visited related by their non-blood related parents in the hospital and commonlaw marriages will be banned too.

These "family values" people are the most ANTI-FAMILY people we've ever dealt with... they just won't quit until all of our rights have been taken away.

[iprazhm]

You are a liar. Recognizing marriage as only between a man and woman will not destroy familys. Family is defined within the guildlines of there having been, at one time, a union of a man and a woman to begin a chain of family. Two members of the same sex try to mimic this union, but it is a perversion of the original and not conducive to the health or welfare of society.

[nameless9004]

false again my friend. I have met gay families WITH children, they shudder at the though of bills like these because it only makes it harder for them to raise children. And the children they do raise are no different then the children of their straight counterparts, there are numerous studies supporting this. If you think about it, if you are for bills like this one, you are not taking the welfare of the children in such families into account.

[iprazhm]

Children have and are raised in a great number of situations, not all are condusive to good mental or physical health. I have read a number of 'Gay' funded or lead studies that most definately sing the praises of pairing children with sexual deviants of various ilks. Means nothing. Again, the internet affords folks to be savy to the tricks used by activists to push harmful or dangerous legislation through the system. And some are more than happy to embrace being 'progressive'.

[instantdogma]

Over three thousand years of monotheism and not a shred of rational proof.

[iprazhm]

Homosexual is not a race, it is a preference. It has never been proven genetic or inherent. There should be no reward given to folks because they have chosen to pleasure themselves outside of what is decent. It has nothing to do with the ability to love. We all love our best friends of the same sex, but only self proclaimed homosexuals choose to play with their friend's pee pee's. It is a person who chooses to cross a moral line most folks won't. Period.

[awilmer]

This guy is probably some closet case. Bumping feet in the airport.

[SigneAnderson]

NetProphet2K seems a bit consumed with hate. How hateful to call the President of the US such vile names (based on merely disagreeing).

Yet these are the folks who want to point fingers and curse at we normal people for trying to maintain a decent society. They never see the irony in their hateful words.

[NetProphet2K]

Nice job Signe, as long as you keep the discussion centered on making distinctions between your ingroup of "normal decent folks" and your characterization of the outgroup as "hateful anti-Americans" you'll succeed in manipulating your constituency to the polls with bigotry. You're very good at it.

[SigneAnderson]

Well, thank you! You hate-filled anti-American types never give up - so we normal people won't either. Your OH-SO-POWERFUL-WORD "bigotry" has lost its meaning because you and your ilk are constantly trying to morph it into something else to suit your purpose. Not wanting society to sanction homosexual marriage is not bigotry and it never will be no matter how much you writhe and scream and foam at the mouth. You and your ilk are so hate-filled it is scary-laughable.

[NetProphet2K]

This issue is just a smokescreen. You want people to vote Republican in a key battleground state of Florida despite the failures of the President.

I've also read the emails in which the Republicans are trying to convice their base that Barack Obama is a terrorist. I'm sure you'll continue to want to talk about the threat posed by homosexuals and Black presidential candidates rather than the job the Republican leadership has done in the last 8 years.

[SigneAnderson]

Oh, so you are afraid a Republican will win the Florida presidential race. I see. Talk about your smokescreens! I have a flash for you: Pres. Bush isn't running, which is a shame, because he has been a wonderful president.

You people are all alike. You call others bigots and then you are the first one to bring up a person's race. Mr. Obama is just as white as he is black, so I am sure you are conflicted. Your type always use your "concern" for minorities to do your dirty work.

[NetProphet2K]

Republicans are free to pass out their racist emails. They are allowed to beat McCain in SC in the 2000 primaries by slandering his adoptive children based on their race. You can play on your base's homophobia if you like, too, but when you've won elections through bigotry and hatred, I wouldn't be so proud of it. Enjoy your victory over the homosexual menace in November as your leaders dole out billions of dollars to their buddies in Iraq. That blood is on your hands. Good luck.

[rrusson]

> Pres. Bush isn't running, which is a shame,

> because he has been a wonderful president.

Sieg Heil, friend! I see you've got a good eye for top-notch leadership.

[SigneAnderson]

Thank you. It's really just life experience that gives me the edge. Even the worst republican president is lightyears better than some socialist boob from the democrat party.

[SigneAnderson]

Project much? Everything you listed there has been debunked and you have scored no points. Democrats are the historical racists of the USA. And you seem to love them. That makes you a racist too. Yet somehow you still project. It must suck to be you.

(and BTW, I've voted for black candidates - I doubt you ever have. You are Pure Hate)

[NetProphet2K]

darn, no points at all?...I was hoping for at least one or two points...at least I now know that I'm a racist...I've learned so much today...get to those polls in droves in November, and don't forget to bring your hate with you

[SigneAnderson]

You poor thing! You are so eat up with your lust for socialism and hate for the USA, it must burn your soul to breath free air.

I guess we can wait until Conde Rice runs for president. Then the whole world will see your true vile colors.

Have a nice life!

[tmf866]

"You hate-filled anti-American types never give up - so we normal people won't either."

Oh, brilliant. Anyone who doesn't agree with your narrow-minded views is "anti-american". But American, by definition, includes respecting others' right to free speech, which includes the right to disagree in political discourse. Which makes *you* the anti-american one for standing up against that.

[iprazhm]

SigneAnderson I have found homosexual activists to be among the most vile, hateful and violent people you will ever have the displeasure to meet. They do not see the irony because they cannot master the skill of critical thinking as they do not think with their heads.

[NetProphet2K]

You're just manipulating your core Republican constituency to get out the vote strongly in Florida by taking the focus off of the War in Iraq, the looming recession, and the complete failure of the last 8 years under our idiot-child president. You'll succeed, too, just like you did in other states in 2004. Nothing is as powerful as bigotry and hatred- are your families proud of you?

[iprazhm]

And which Al Queida group do you represent?

Nothing as powerful as the human will to survive and procreate in an environment condusive to mental and physical health of the family unit. Which is the opposite of what those who push acceptance of homosexuality wish to achieve. They want only a world devoid of moral restriction, a community of 'if it feels good, do it'.

[iprazhm]

WOOOT!! A lot of hard work by very determined and caring folk went into making this happen. Congratz to the pro-family movement in Fl. Please vote in 08 to secure our State's marriage being between one man and one woman only. Stop, once and for all, illegitiment lawsuits hoping to pervert marriage away from the fundamental union of a man and woman. A union proven to be the best possible environment in which to raise children.

[tmf866]

The "pro-family" movement in Florida? You mean the innocent gay and lesbian people who want to marry and form families, right? Not the evil bigots who are trying to tear their families apart...

"A union proven to be the best possible environment in which to raise children."

That would be a two-parent union, right? Because studies repeatedly show that the genders of the parents doesn't matter, but the number of them does.

[iprazhm]

Innocent gay and lesbian people? There are no such creatures. It has been my experience that those who choose to live outside decensy and morality lost their innocence long ago. To choose to live your life normally, and outside of mental and spiritual pathology is not bigotry. Having a mother and father present in the home has been proven over and over again to be the optimal environment for children. Those who choose a union with the possibility of creating said children.