Well if you can teach christian creationism in science classrooms as an alternate theory, then you should also have to cover every other equally valid creation story from every civilization on earth, including the one where a deity vomited up man, woman, rocks, trees and medicine. What makes Christianity any more valid that that religion?
Maybe in a religious class but not in a science class, where things are strictly scientific. Creationism is not scientific. If it were scientific it would be a science. but it isnt.
@lanceawatt creationism is VERY scientific! look at the DESIGN of the human body, cells, skin, the world, etc. it wouldn't be in science because the scientists don't believe in God so they shut out everything that contradicts what they believe in. they just want kids to think like them yet still ppl cant imagine this world coming about naturally which is why most still believe in God regardless of the brainwashing scientists attempt to do by forcing evolution on kids!
@nikitty020 in order for something to be science it has to be verified by the scientific method. We have a stunning amount of evidence telling us that the world is 4.5 billion years old, just as we have a stunning amount of evidence telling us the earth is round.
The design of the human body is made up of DNA, which shows us that every living thing is related and has a common ancestor.
To believe the earth is 6000 years old is the same as believing the earth is flat. It's madness.
Science is not a democratic process...this fairness argument is the equivalent of neo-nazis arguing for holocaust denial to be taught alongside the section of WWII unit involving the Holocaust in World History classes.
Creationism is not the "other side of the story". This is the illusion being shoved down everyone's throats by Christian extremists. Evolution is a time-tested theory, accepted as fact by the Scientific Community. Creationism is one religious fable. One of hundreds of creation stories from religions and indigenous peoples. These are NOT two equal sides, or opposite sides of the same coin. Declaring yourself equal to Darwin's work doesn't make it true. You can't begin with a false premise.
If creationism is just a distraction and absolutely false as these scientists say, why then are evolutionists fighting so hard to get it removed from public discourse. If it is just a sham then creationism should be easy to disprove. Yet in every discussion I see about this debate all I hear is nothing but bashing creationsts and calling them names. Creationists invite debate over "gaps" too but instead creationism is automatically thrown out as false and completely ignored.
@friedie1jeff If its false then I challenge any evolutionist to have an open honest and intellectually honest debate and once and for all prove it false instead of making a blanket statement and sweeping it under the rug.
@friedie1jeff Thats the problem my friend, evolutionists like you want to shut down all debate and instead push only your side by making the blanket statement that creationism is not science. If one really honestly looks at the world scientifically there is more proof for a creator that evolution, but you cant and wont see that because you see only what you want to through your paradigm of evolution being gospel fact.
@130bigdreamer You are not understanding anything that you are being told. The place for a debate that you propose is not in a science classroom. I am sorry to say that opening a book that mythology says was handed down by God and reading a creation story is not science or how science works. There is no further discussion here. If you do not have enough education yourself to understand this, then you will always be adversarial in discussions with scientists.
@friedie1jeff Wow! Calling me names and making blanket accusations based on false stereotypes, that's the epitome of scientific. I assure you my friend that my view is based on solid scientific evidence. I don't need to insult and make accusations to make my point. If you have science completely on your side and creationism is pure myth then prove it. Show me your science and prove creationism is a myth.
@130bigdreamer I did not call you names or stereotype you. Read again. Tell me, in your mosque, synagogue, or church that you attend, is the theory of evolution taught side-by-side with what you call creationism? Why not? You can't have it both ways. If you want creationism, which is NOT science, taught in science classes to kids in schools, then you must allow for the theory of evolution to be taught to kids in religious education in mosques, synagogues, temples, churches, etc.
@friedie1jeff First of all, you are badly misinformed. Every religious school I know of teaches creationism and evolution side by side and lets the students decide based on the evidence, unlike public schools where only one side is shoved down students throats. My own wife teaches biology at a private school and she teaches both side by side. I'll say it again, though, if there is no science to creationism then I urge you to show it. Give me the proof. Im still waiting.
@130bigdreamer If your wife's private school is an alternative to a public school but religiously-based, then by law she has to teach evolution in biology classes. You are very far off-base.. The only true religious classes that evolution is even mentioned in - and by people who clearly are not qualified to teach it based on many videos on YouTube - is in the evangelical Christian faith, in which they choose to deride science as if it is an either-or proposition. That is simple-minded.
@friedie1jeff No my friend you are the one who is wrong. Her school is privately funded and is not required to teach evolution. They teach it to give the students a well rounded picture and to use science and logic to make their own decision. I would advise you to stop making assumptions. Im getting tired of repeating myself, but I'll say it yet again that I have solid scientific evidence to back up my claims and I can lay them out for anyone who wants to see it. I have yet to see any from you.
@130bigdreamer If it is a private school, then the state must have minimum requirements in science, math, etc, for the school to be accredited. Is there a state in the country that does not require evolution to be taught in science classes? If you want to lay out claims as to scientific evidence of biblical creation, I suggest that you make a video and post it. Although there are several such videos posted on youtube. You do not have enough characters allowed on comments here to do so.
@friedie1jeff Maybe I should make a video but I'm sure that you would just ignore any evidence I give because you are already convinced that I am a religious nut and, as you say 'unscientific.' This discussion is getting tiring. i cant get anywhere with people like you. You are blind to the truth and I cannot do anything about it. I would just encourage you to think about your position. If there is a creator it would be wise for you to get to know Him. Remember, one day we all will die.
@130bigdreamer Science is taught in science classrooms. You do not teach unproven ideas in a science class. You can teach any idea you want as a social philosophy in a social studies classroom, but not in science.
And furthermore, if you are to each Creationism in a social studies classroom then you should teach as many creation stories from all mythologies, not just exclusively the Christian version, after all, what makes Christianity any more valid than other religions?
@130bigdreamer If you can discuss your scientific evidence of biblical creation within the confines of the space allowed in a YouTube comment, then you don't have any. I never called you any derogatory names, including "religious nut". That's in your imagination. I do believe that you are undereducated, and that you should make an effort to improve that situation. And your assumptions about me are dead wrong. Take some astronomy or other science classes at your local college.
@friedie1jeff You just made my case by calling me "undereducated" and telling me I need to take more science classes. You may not have used the words "religious nut' but it was implied. I can tell that I am not going to get anywhere with you. You are blinded to any actual proof, so this will be my last message. I wish you the best in life my friend and, even though you don't believe in Him, may God bless you.
@130bigdreamer You want an honest debate about religion? are you kidding? Religion doesn't know the first thing about honesty. Like the smart man in the video said "what would they teach if they had the chance?" Science equals mass amounts of information that all works together. Religion equals one weird book...
@baxtar1963 Im not the one with the problem. My view is based on solid science. One does not have to look far to find scientists who embrace a creationist view. It sounds to me that you are the one being unscientific. Where is your "information." Show me yours and Ill gladly show you mine, and can we please talk like adults and not resort to name calling like a bunch of children, please?
The bit at the beginning was incredibly eloquent. Eugenie Scott was of course very clear and concise as well, but the beginning of this video should be all that we need to put this issue to bed. Why are people who don't understand the scientific process so hellbent on participating?
I really feel sorry for all the rational Americans (theist and atheist) who have to deal with this primitive mentality. I think the ONLY plus point of intelligent design is the lesson would be like: "Hi kids, today we are going to learn about how the world was made...by a violent all loving magic man..."...that would pretty much be it lol. Intelligent design is ripe bullshit. Peace
@jshjamaar how does atheism keep kids from going to school? Is their some magical barrier around schools that cause atheists to turn to dust when they walk in?
HUMMM maybe I should take a class on intelligent design. I can pad my GPA with 16 weeks of "god did it." My term paper woudl be rather boring though... 15 pages of "god did it," what a waste of ink... Short reference page too.
I believe in fairness, but if we do end up having to learn about creationism from a christian point of view, wouldn't it be unfair if we didn't hear about it from the hundreds of other religions out there as well?
I believe in fairness. I was taught only evolution in schools, as well as greek and egyptian gods. Never any other point of view on how life was created or what any other god or religion says. The baloney taught in my school was useless. School never taught me what happened to the egyptians or why. Nor what happened after that. Suddenly Christopher Columbus ran upon a beach & killed everybody off, then he claims discovery and now we all applaud. This land is now bought & sold when it was free
you have been dumbed down, there acually were egyptian gods which the KGB took the remains of one of them, Gilgamesh which the US military took the remains of, and many of those stories you believe are myths are true, there's truth in most of them. Good & bad angels, nephilim, aliens, reptilians, the serpents seedline whatever you want to call 'em, exist. There is more evidence that they exist than not exist. Was everyone & their documented history lying??? NO
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A. Teaching intellegent design has nothing to do with god, religion, or the bible.
B. You can't apply the scientific theory to macro evolution either unless you somehow acquired a time machine. All we have is the fossil record, which is sketchy at best.
Intelligent Design is attributing a natural phenomenon to a supernatural and untestable force, that is either superstition or religious, either way it has no place in science.
If you think all we have is the fossil record, you are dead fucking wrong. There is massive genetic evidence that supports Evolution and it proves conclusively that we are descendant from common ancestors with the higher apes, and with every other single form of life on the planet.
Genetic evidence also prove that the probabilty of a genetic information change from a species to another species COINCIDENTLY through MUTATION is significantly IMPOSSIBLE.
Look at human nowadays, almost every mutations lead to unwanted conditions, diseases, symptoms... but somehow before this coincidently a mutation occur to create a now perfect and healthy human being from ape? Genetic knowledge actually go against evolution if you look at it SCIENTIFICALLY~
rayz, i believe u believe in adam and eve as the first human beings. say that those two people were asians with black hair and dark coloured eye. the fact that we observe blond blue eyed people now proves that mutation did and can happen thus mutations aren't necessarily bad. Bad mutations in a species eventually disappear through natural selection. i'm not sure which genetic knowledge you're talking about so.. if you could give an example maybe i can help you understand. cheers.
How is it from a single cell can finally evolved into human being with a very complex yet perfectly coordinated system, which even now we have not yet to fully understand our own body, but coincidently that "mutations" know how to create a human being? How do they know how to coordinate all the metabolism which allows us to create energy from glucose, a.acids and fats, not to mention ketone bodies and many other more, which involve more enzymes, which is coded with thousands of genetic codes...
You telling me coincidently all this happen by mutation? nah... something must have supervised it so that we have the correct sequence of genes to be able to correctly coordinate our metabolism, if you learn on how complex the human system is... you will see the wonder of God's creation, which in no way can happen just by coincident....
ray, firstly you must understand mutations by itself don't know how to create human beings. secondly, darwin explained evolution in over 700 pages in his 2 volume book, so it's impossible to explain evolution on a youtube comment. thirdly, evolution is not coincidence, nor it is accidental, due to the fact that the main mechanism of evolution is natural selection, which is by definition, NOT random, NOT coincidental - the environment chooses the good mutations.
from my adam and eve example.. we observed that adam and eve who AREN'T white can produce white people with blue eyes. the implication of that is, SMALL changes happen in SMALL intervals of time. If that was true, given enough time, like 3 billion years, BIG changes can happen. which is the explanation of how a single cell can turn into complex organisms
Environment choose the good mutations? How did environment know how to create all those complex steps in human metabolism, in embryology to create a living human being from just a sperm and egg and other system in the human body... how did they know how to create a red blood cell that can carry oxygen? HOW DID THEY KNOW??? It is a knowledge that we ourselves now has not yet mastered.. but how did it happen so perfectly??? There must be something that coordinate all that...
Plus, look at nature at its own... how come without human intervention, everything will be in perfect balance... the food chain, the number of carnivores, herbivores, plants, decomposers.. all in perfect balance unless human steps in... how is it possible that the single cell tell his descendents : a 1000 of you must be herbivore, 100 of you carnivore, 500 of you decomposers... did they suddenly mutate into a balance community?? How they know how much to give birth to get a balanced community?
dude take a look at your biologi tingkatan 4 book - pembahagian sel and biologi tingkatan 5 book - variasi dan pewarisan. The things that you're asking me is there. Natural selection is explained there. Maybe if you had paid more attention in biology class...
Nature knows how many herbivores and carnivores to create precisely because of natural selection. If there are too many carnivores in this world compared to their preys, they either mutate to become omnivores (it doesn't happen in a day), or most probably they will die. that way you will have a balance.
and the first cells on earth aren't herbivores or carnivores. they were plant cells, which reproduced asexually, and metabolized the heat in hydrothermal vents deep in the oceans through a process called chemosynthesis.
Ray, we have mastered that knowledge, we already know how and why a sperm and an ovum get together to finally become a human being - those are encoded in your DNA - the coordinator. the human genome project is complete. and by the way, our body is not perfect at all. eg, human beings have genes to make tails and the appendix (useless organ). human beings carry mostly junk DNA. the coordinator is the DNA - they are a set of instructions. that's why "they know" how to create red blood cells.
That's the point... the first plant cell as you claim reproduce asexually, then how did it know how to reproduce using sperm and egg?? Why did it want to sexually reproduce in the 1st place... reproducing asexually is much faster to ensure survival of species... In fact, how did they know how to reproduce asexually in the first place?? How did they know they can use heat to do chemosynthesis?? How did they know they need energy??
You see what the human genome project told us also is that genetic information is very complicated... and even though the first plant cell only use chemosynthesis... it still requires a some protein perhaps to do chemosynthesis, and this require genes, they must have membranes, and this require genes, but coincidently the elements in the ocean combined to form DNA with the exact code to code for the substance for it to perform chemosynthesis and reproduction?
Plus, DNA requires enzymes to be able to express its genetic information, variety of enzymes!! But... enzyme requires DNA to be synthesize in the 1st place, but DNA cant synthesize enzyme without an enzyme in the first place... so a DNA and enzyme must exist at the same time... so the elements combine coincidently created enzyme that can express the DNA and also produce the DNA at the same time at that particular place to create the first cell?
I dare you and any scientist out there to create a WORKING DNA & ENZYME that will form a CELL that can SURVIVE and REPRODUCE from just letting the elements on the earth 3 billions years ago colliding with each other without any interventions (ie just leave them in a box or aquarium or something...).. you see even though the first cell is claimed to be a very SIMPLE cell... for a cell to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE, it's not as SIMPLE like everything in it can just appear by randomly colliding elements
i already explained that its not a random process. and right now you're not talking about evolution anymore. you're talking about abiogenesis. another complete different theory. don't mix them up.
Obviously you havent learn enough about evolution yet... the theory of evolution is mainly about mutation... and mutation is nothing more than a random process... that's the simple fact of science... if you say it is not random... so something else intervenes... God perhaps?
the theory of evolution is not mainly mutation its mainly natural selection and its not random. u keep saying its random because u haven't been reading or even try to understand what i wrote. the theory of evolution doesn't say anything about god. it doesn't explain god. evolution explains how life evolves. just like gravity explains gravity and not where gravity comes from. i told u to read ur biology textbooks, u refused. so u don't want to understand. what else can i say?
haha... why not mutation?? In the biology textbook for secondary school and pre-uni both says evolution is about mutation and natural selection... you cannot remove mutation from evolution because its the only mechanism that they claim to be the one that produces new species... from a fish to a bird is by mutation... its not by natural selection a fish will become a bird... its not by natural selection a cell will become a fish...
natural selection shows how there is a variety among the same species... like how birds have different beaks... but it never show how fish become birds, or how cells become fish... mutation is the claim for how that happen... and that my friend... is a RANDOM process
im not saying "not mutation". read carefully. i said its mainly natural selection. mutations occur all the time. natural selection ensures that only mutations that ensures the survivability of a species stay and that is not random. im not removing mutation from the equation.
No no... science explains God's existence if you learn it from another perspective then the one we've been indoctrinated... but that's another whole lesson which will not fit here. Anyway, my arguments is just to say that life exists nowadays is because of creationism (ie God), but when you say evolution might be done by God... well, there's not really much I can say fight about that...
i'm debating becoz u said that god intervened in every steps of the way. perhaps god intervened in t=0. creating all the constants, like speed of light and stuff (kun fa ya kun). but evidence found on earth (fossil records, dna, chromosome number in chimps n humans) proved that evolution is the mechanism by which life on earth evolved.
science doesn't explain god existence because we can't see, measure, touch, and experiment on god. science cannot explain god. refer to your scientific method topic.
I look at the video, and you can search for the e-book "Atlas of Creation", a very simple and good book to open up your prespective, that evolution is actually not the truth... learn from both views like I have that you will be closer to the truth...
i've read harun yahya's book. harun yahya is a smart guy who made beautiful english translations of the qur'an, but he's not a biologist. his book has been discredited by richard dawkins and many other scientists, videos available on youtube
there's no such thing as evolutionist. do u say "gravitist"? or "eletricitist"? scientists discredited it with facts. harun discredited evolution with pseudofacts. why can't u accept evolution? my dad accepted it. he's a muslim and voting for PAS and also sometimes imam at the neighbourhood mosque.
Evolutionist does exists... just like embryologist, microbiologists, creationists... its not an official career... its just explain that person's discipline... I cant accept evolution as a scientific fact because it is not a proven fact... people prove gravity existed, and I accepted it... as from our discussion, you can see there are many questions evolution theory failed to answer...
search for the word evolutionist on google, and u will find that all of them are used by creationist. u have evolutionary biologist, but certainly not evolutionist. evolution is a proven scientific fact. have you seen some of the fossil records?
well where does creationist comes from? all of them are used by evolutionists... and lets not get started on who started using that first... its no big deal really... well, if you read at some harun yahya's work, he explained how those fossils actually prove evolution does not happen... well, now you are just going to say he is not a biologist, scientist discredited him and all... if you opinion is that he's not qualified.. I cannot change that, but so far I dont think he speak nonsense..
i have a question for u, adam and eve right, they weren't white. evidence suggests that the first humans were africans. so how do u explain that we observe today whites and asians?
Simple, as Darwin explained how birds have different beak on Gallapagos islands... but, it just show there is variety in one species, it does not show how one species evolve into another species... The whole journey in Gallapagos only show birds of same species forming different beaks, but they remain to be a bird... same as human... through meiosis we develop random genetic info..thus giving birth to random child.. but our child will still be human, no prove that it evolve into another species
a big YES!! mutation only show diversity,abnormalities, or maybe nothing at all but mutation does not show a fish becoming reptile and reptile becoming bird... neither does natural selection... these are yet to be proven... fossils? Harun Yahya use it against evolution...
if you referring natural selection as... bird with the correct beaks will survive better then bird with weaker beaks... yes i accept... You see, natural SELECTION is a SELECTION process... it is not a CHANGING or MUTATION process which is required to make a new species...
you are absolutely right... natural selection is not about changing, it's not about mutation. im glad we can agree now. so u actually agreed with darwin's 2 out of 5 mechanisms through which evolution occurs. which, may i tell you, are the most common causes of evolution as accepted by scientists. now i want to ask you, did allah actually say in the qur'an that things cannot evolve?
Agreeing with mechanism does not mean acknowledging the theory... because I told you I agree that they prove there is DIVERSITY... but not enough to prove there is EVOLUTION (ie from one species to another)... Allah does say in the quran that he CREATED human, how? from clay (and water)... definitely not from a single cell in the earth's water slowly evolving to primeape and then becoming homo sapiens...
He did say actually from clay (and water) .. and for hawa (eve) He created her from Adam's ribs.. there you go.. creation of human being = from clay and from adam's rib (for eve) according to the Quran. Not from evolution for human being.. which in this case is in favor of creationism~
Hurm.. according to what I learn before... one of the way to determine species... is they are able to mate, produce egg and sperm, fertilize and produce a healthy offspring... but for this discussion what I meant by species is the obvious different types of organism like bird and elephants are different species, or e.coli and crocodile are also diff species...
This may interest you, google "observed instances of speciation" and "Italian Wall Lizard" evolution... If you look for the peer reviewed papers there are more facts then you can wrap your mind around.
i want you to know that god may have made the mysteries of life possible through evolution. god didn't say anything bout evolution in qur'an. he didn't even explain how he made the world. scientists just fill those gaps so we may understand how smart god is making such mechanisms work.
He didn't say anything about evolution, but He did mention He created man (Adam), which means that human did not come from ape... God created the first man and Adam used to live in heaven before earth, evolution claim the first cell live in earth's water, but Adam was created in heaven, so it means evolution does not happen for human... which also means evolution might not happen at all...
the thing is, he didn't say exactly how that happened did he? thats where science come in. evolution happened for the simple fact that we see white blond blue eyed people on earth. how do u explain the diversity of human life if not through the theory of evolution?
It is explain in meiosis... there are 4 steps (if i'm not mistaken) in meiosis and fertilization where our genetic information will get mixed up... but never have I see that genetic information suddenly code for a different species... Diversity is proven~ from one species to another species... humm... not proven~
The topic "ekosistem terancam" and "ekosistem dinamik" in your biology textbook explains how exactly does the environment "know" which species to kill or not. All living things have to adapt or die - mostly they die. And just so you know, the environment doesn't have anything to do with the complex steps our body are undertaking now - like making red blood cells.
This may interest you, google "observed instances of speciation" and "Italian Wall Lizard" evolution... If you look for the peer reviewed papers there are more facts then you can wrap your mind around.
There are not only two theories about creation. Look at Joseph Campbell's book, "Hero With a Thousand Faces". There are hundreds if not thousands of theories that come out of over a thousand pockets of different cultures.
creationists want to cheat to get into schools, everytime they try to enter it in, be it through creationism v.2, aka Intelligent Design, is to cheat their way, and when you examine their arguments you always find flaws because they're dishonest from the start.
Thanks for the video. I think that your statement is pretty stereotypical though. As with any group of people, there will be bad apples. But it goes both ways. So there isn't even an argument there. I think it would be best if it was made better known, what is theory and what is absolute fact. And the idea of a creator should be for the students to decide. Bible class should be separate from science class. The bible should be only a reference book.
Well if you can teach christian creationism in science classrooms as an alternate theory, then you should also have to cover every other equally valid creation story from every civilization on earth, including the one where a deity vomited up man, woman, rocks, trees and medicine. What makes Christianity any more valid that that religion?
BuffyWillow760 3 weeks ago
Maybe in a religious class but not in a science class, where things are strictly scientific. Creationism is not scientific. If it were scientific it would be a science. but it isnt.
lanceawatt 7 months ago
@lanceawatt creationism is VERY scientific! look at the DESIGN of the human body, cells, skin, the world, etc. it wouldn't be in science because the scientists don't believe in God so they shut out everything that contradicts what they believe in. they just want kids to think like them yet still ppl cant imagine this world coming about naturally which is why most still believe in God regardless of the brainwashing scientists attempt to do by forcing evolution on kids!
nikitty020 4 months ago
@nikitty020 in order for something to be science it has to be verified by the scientific method. We have a stunning amount of evidence telling us that the world is 4.5 billion years old, just as we have a stunning amount of evidence telling us the earth is round.
The design of the human body is made up of DNA, which shows us that every living thing is related and has a common ancestor.
To believe the earth is 6000 years old is the same as believing the earth is flat. It's madness.
lanceawatt 4 months ago
Science is not a democratic process...this fairness argument is the equivalent of neo-nazis arguing for holocaust denial to be taught alongside the section of WWII unit involving the Holocaust in World History classes.
PaulDenton14 7 months ago 3
Creationism is not the "other side of the story". This is the illusion being shoved down everyone's throats by Christian extremists. Evolution is a time-tested theory, accepted as fact by the Scientific Community. Creationism is one religious fable. One of hundreds of creation stories from religions and indigenous peoples. These are NOT two equal sides, or opposite sides of the same coin. Declaring yourself equal to Darwin's work doesn't make it true. You can't begin with a false premise.
AceSkepTik 7 months ago 2
This is an excellent video. Thanks for posting it.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
If creationism is just a distraction and absolutely false as these scientists say, why then are evolutionists fighting so hard to get it removed from public discourse. If it is just a sham then creationism should be easy to disprove. Yet in every discussion I see about this debate all I hear is nothing but bashing creationsts and calling them names. Creationists invite debate over "gaps" too but instead creationism is automatically thrown out as false and completely ignored.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer Things that are absolutely false should not be brought into a science curriculum.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff If its false then I challenge any evolutionist to have an open honest and intellectually honest debate and once and for all prove it false instead of making a blanket statement and sweeping it under the rug.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer A science class is not the venue for such a debate. People like you just don't understand that. Creationism is not SCIENCE. Get it?
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff Thats the problem my friend, evolutionists like you want to shut down all debate and instead push only your side by making the blanket statement that creationism is not science. If one really honestly looks at the world scientifically there is more proof for a creator that evolution, but you cant and wont see that because you see only what you want to through your paradigm of evolution being gospel fact.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer You are not understanding anything that you are being told. The place for a debate that you propose is not in a science classroom. I am sorry to say that opening a book that mythology says was handed down by God and reading a creation story is not science or how science works. There is no further discussion here. If you do not have enough education yourself to understand this, then you will always be adversarial in discussions with scientists.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff Wow! Calling me names and making blanket accusations based on false stereotypes, that's the epitome of scientific. I assure you my friend that my view is based on solid scientific evidence. I don't need to insult and make accusations to make my point. If you have science completely on your side and creationism is pure myth then prove it. Show me your science and prove creationism is a myth.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer I did not call you names or stereotype you. Read again. Tell me, in your mosque, synagogue, or church that you attend, is the theory of evolution taught side-by-side with what you call creationism? Why not? You can't have it both ways. If you want creationism, which is NOT science, taught in science classes to kids in schools, then you must allow for the theory of evolution to be taught to kids in religious education in mosques, synagogues, temples, churches, etc.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff First of all, you are badly misinformed. Every religious school I know of teaches creationism and evolution side by side and lets the students decide based on the evidence, unlike public schools where only one side is shoved down students throats. My own wife teaches biology at a private school and she teaches both side by side. I'll say it again, though, if there is no science to creationism then I urge you to show it. Give me the proof. Im still waiting.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer If your wife's private school is an alternative to a public school but religiously-based, then by law she has to teach evolution in biology classes. You are very far off-base.. The only true religious classes that evolution is even mentioned in - and by people who clearly are not qualified to teach it based on many videos on YouTube - is in the evangelical Christian faith, in which they choose to deride science as if it is an either-or proposition. That is simple-minded.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff No my friend you are the one who is wrong. Her school is privately funded and is not required to teach evolution. They teach it to give the students a well rounded picture and to use science and logic to make their own decision. I would advise you to stop making assumptions. Im getting tired of repeating myself, but I'll say it yet again that I have solid scientific evidence to back up my claims and I can lay them out for anyone who wants to see it. I have yet to see any from you.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer If it is a private school, then the state must have minimum requirements in science, math, etc, for the school to be accredited. Is there a state in the country that does not require evolution to be taught in science classes? If you want to lay out claims as to scientific evidence of biblical creation, I suggest that you make a video and post it. Although there are several such videos posted on youtube. You do not have enough characters allowed on comments here to do so.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff Maybe I should make a video but I'm sure that you would just ignore any evidence I give because you are already convinced that I am a religious nut and, as you say 'unscientific.' This discussion is getting tiring. i cant get anywhere with people like you. You are blind to the truth and I cannot do anything about it. I would just encourage you to think about your position. If there is a creator it would be wise for you to get to know Him. Remember, one day we all will die.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer Science is taught in science classrooms. You do not teach unproven ideas in a science class. You can teach any idea you want as a social philosophy in a social studies classroom, but not in science.
And furthermore, if you are to each Creationism in a social studies classroom then you should teach as many creation stories from all mythologies, not just exclusively the Christian version, after all, what makes Christianity any more valid than other religions?
ccheng21 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer If you can discuss your scientific evidence of biblical creation within the confines of the space allowed in a YouTube comment, then you don't have any. I never called you any derogatory names, including "religious nut". That's in your imagination. I do believe that you are undereducated, and that you should make an effort to improve that situation. And your assumptions about me are dead wrong. Take some astronomy or other science classes at your local college.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@friedie1jeff You just made my case by calling me "undereducated" and telling me I need to take more science classes. You may not have used the words "religious nut' but it was implied. I can tell that I am not going to get anywhere with you. You are blinded to any actual proof, so this will be my last message. I wish you the best in life my friend and, even though you don't believe in Him, may God bless you.
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer You need not be thin-skinned. Science classes would help you.
friedie1jeff 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer All you need is knowledge.
cjdragon1988 7 months ago
@130bigdreamer nuts
aierce 5 months ago
@130bigdreamer So what evidence would prove evolution to you?
gregrutz 6 months ago
@130bigdreamer You want an honest debate about religion? are you kidding? Religion doesn't know the first thing about honesty. Like the smart man in the video said "what would they teach if they had the chance?" Science equals mass amounts of information that all works together. Religion equals one weird book...
baxtar1963 7 months ago
@baxtar1963 Im not the one with the problem. My view is based on solid science. One does not have to look far to find scientists who embrace a creationist view. It sounds to me that you are the one being unscientific. Where is your "information." Show me yours and Ill gladly show you mine, and can we please talk like adults and not resort to name calling like a bunch of children, please?
130bigdreamer 7 months ago
The bit at the beginning was incredibly eloquent. Eugenie Scott was of course very clear and concise as well, but the beginning of this video should be all that we need to put this issue to bed. Why are people who don't understand the scientific process so hellbent on participating?
instereovideos 8 months ago
Yes, teach both evolution anf creationism... So it is fair.
Oh, and don't forget scientology, and Zeus and shiba and thor and all the other 'theories' lol
ILIYYILI 9 months ago
Evolutionary Biology: Science
Intelligent Design: Magic man done it?
ResiusOnline 10 months ago
creationists want Science to be politically correct.
panterguy 11 months ago
I really feel sorry for all the rational Americans (theist and atheist) who have to deal with this primitive mentality. I think the ONLY plus point of intelligent design is the lesson would be like: "Hi kids, today we are going to learn about how the world was made...by a violent all loving magic man..."...that would pretty much be it lol. Intelligent design is ripe bullshit. Peace
SardarDholi 1 year ago
Well, if this is true then you'll going to see few students in school because Darwinism promotes Atheism.
jshjamaar 1 year ago
@jshjamaar Funny because Darwin wasn't even an atheist. And even if it did promote atheism, there is nothing wrong with that.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago
@jshjamaar how does atheism keep kids from going to school? Is their some magical barrier around schools that cause atheists to turn to dust when they walk in?
ThrashmetalFTW 1 year ago
@jshjamaar is promoting atheism a bad thing?
tallyhoman911 8 months ago
HUMMM maybe I should take a class on intelligent design. I can pad my GPA with 16 weeks of "god did it." My term paper woudl be rather boring though... 15 pages of "god did it," what a waste of ink... Short reference page too.
darkwhitedirewolf 1 year ago 2
I really enjoy these videos, thanks a lot ccheng21, I appreciate this.
2pbig 1 year ago
amen!
scarykidbryan 2 years ago
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alonzogarbanzo 2 years ago
Woah woah woah...you're blowing it way out of proportion dude. Chill...take a breather and think about what your saying.
Forsaken593 2 years ago
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alonzogarbanzo 2 years ago
@alonzogarbanzo
yoo nigga i dun kno who u be thinkin u iz, but me n ma ni99as dont be sayin shytt lyk dat feel me?
Forsaken593 2 years ago
I like what Bill Maher said...
"You don't give equal time to both sides when one side is a pile of crap".
socksumi 2 years ago 8
it won't be fair... if we have to... i demand the Flying Spaghetti Monster gospel be taught.
OSHUNLIDE 2 years ago
I believe in fairness, but if we do end up having to learn about creationism from a christian point of view, wouldn't it be unfair if we didn't hear about it from the hundreds of other religions out there as well?
marxphoenix 2 years ago 12
I believe in fairness. I was taught only evolution in schools, as well as greek and egyptian gods. Never any other point of view on how life was created or what any other god or religion says. The baloney taught in my school was useless. School never taught me what happened to the egyptians or why. Nor what happened after that. Suddenly Christopher Columbus ran upon a beach & killed everybody off, then he claims discovery and now we all applaud. This land is now bought & sold when it was free
MrAubery 2 years ago
you learn about Greek & Egyptian gods because they are dead.
They're myths and stories have been disproven and are laughed at today. Probably because those countries are no longer super powers.
Christianity myth has also been disproven along with Islam & Mormonism, Judaism, etc.
But they still exist because of guys like Bush, Falwell & other bullshiters for political gain.
8302linda 2 years ago
you have been dumbed down, there acually were egyptian gods which the KGB took the remains of one of them, Gilgamesh which the US military took the remains of, and many of those stories you believe are myths are true, there's truth in most of them. Good & bad angels, nephilim, aliens, reptilians, the serpents seedline whatever you want to call 'em, exist. There is more evidence that they exist than not exist. Was everyone & their documented history lying??? NO
MrAubery 2 years ago
I don't believe anyone in America is following God because a politician is
MrAubery 2 years ago
she doesn't have to, she's right
ccheng21 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
A. Teaching intellegent design has nothing to do with god, religion, or the bible.
B. You can't apply the scientific theory to macro evolution either unless you somehow acquired a time machine. All we have is the fossil record, which is sketchy at best.
K20ej88 3 years ago
A: Wrong
B: Wrong
Intelligent Design is attributing a natural phenomenon to a supernatural and untestable force, that is either superstition or religious, either way it has no place in science.
If you think all we have is the fossil record, you are dead fucking wrong. There is massive genetic evidence that supports Evolution and it proves conclusively that we are descendant from common ancestors with the higher apes, and with every other single form of life on the planet.
ccheng21 3 years ago 16
Genetic evidence also prove that the probabilty of a genetic information change from a species to another species COINCIDENTLY through MUTATION is significantly IMPOSSIBLE.
RaYz89 2 years ago
Look at human nowadays, almost every mutations lead to unwanted conditions, diseases, symptoms... but somehow before this coincidently a mutation occur to create a now perfect and healthy human being from ape? Genetic knowledge actually go against evolution if you look at it SCIENTIFICALLY~
RaYz89 2 years ago
rayz, i believe u believe in adam and eve as the first human beings. say that those two people were asians with black hair and dark coloured eye. the fact that we observe blond blue eyed people now proves that mutation did and can happen thus mutations aren't necessarily bad. Bad mutations in a species eventually disappear through natural selection. i'm not sure which genetic knowledge you're talking about so.. if you could give an example maybe i can help you understand. cheers.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
How is it from a single cell can finally evolved into human being with a very complex yet perfectly coordinated system, which even now we have not yet to fully understand our own body, but coincidently that "mutations" know how to create a human being? How do they know how to coordinate all the metabolism which allows us to create energy from glucose, a.acids and fats, not to mention ketone bodies and many other more, which involve more enzymes, which is coded with thousands of genetic codes...
RaYz89 2 years ago
You telling me coincidently all this happen by mutation? nah... something must have supervised it so that we have the correct sequence of genes to be able to correctly coordinate our metabolism, if you learn on how complex the human system is... you will see the wonder of God's creation, which in no way can happen just by coincident....
RaYz89 2 years ago
ray, firstly you must understand mutations by itself don't know how to create human beings. secondly, darwin explained evolution in over 700 pages in his 2 volume book, so it's impossible to explain evolution on a youtube comment. thirdly, evolution is not coincidence, nor it is accidental, due to the fact that the main mechanism of evolution is natural selection, which is by definition, NOT random, NOT coincidental - the environment chooses the good mutations.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
from my adam and eve example.. we observed that adam and eve who AREN'T white can produce white people with blue eyes. the implication of that is, SMALL changes happen in SMALL intervals of time. If that was true, given enough time, like 3 billion years, BIG changes can happen. which is the explanation of how a single cell can turn into complex organisms
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Environment choose the good mutations? How did environment know how to create all those complex steps in human metabolism, in embryology to create a living human being from just a sperm and egg and other system in the human body... how did they know how to create a red blood cell that can carry oxygen? HOW DID THEY KNOW??? It is a knowledge that we ourselves now has not yet mastered.. but how did it happen so perfectly??? There must be something that coordinate all that...
RaYz89 2 years ago
Plus, look at nature at its own... how come without human intervention, everything will be in perfect balance... the food chain, the number of carnivores, herbivores, plants, decomposers.. all in perfect balance unless human steps in... how is it possible that the single cell tell his descendents : a 1000 of you must be herbivore, 100 of you carnivore, 500 of you decomposers... did they suddenly mutate into a balance community?? How they know how much to give birth to get a balanced community?
RaYz89 2 years ago
dude take a look at your biologi tingkatan 4 book - pembahagian sel and biologi tingkatan 5 book - variasi dan pewarisan. The things that you're asking me is there. Natural selection is explained there. Maybe if you had paid more attention in biology class...
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Nature knows how many herbivores and carnivores to create precisely because of natural selection. If there are too many carnivores in this world compared to their preys, they either mutate to become omnivores (it doesn't happen in a day), or most probably they will die. that way you will have a balance.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
and the first cells on earth aren't herbivores or carnivores. they were plant cells, which reproduced asexually, and metabolized the heat in hydrothermal vents deep in the oceans through a process called chemosynthesis.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Ray, we have mastered that knowledge, we already know how and why a sperm and an ovum get together to finally become a human being - those are encoded in your DNA - the coordinator. the human genome project is complete. and by the way, our body is not perfect at all. eg, human beings have genes to make tails and the appendix (useless organ). human beings carry mostly junk DNA. the coordinator is the DNA - they are a set of instructions. that's why "they know" how to create red blood cells.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
That's the point... the first plant cell as you claim reproduce asexually, then how did it know how to reproduce using sperm and egg?? Why did it want to sexually reproduce in the 1st place... reproducing asexually is much faster to ensure survival of species... In fact, how did they know how to reproduce asexually in the first place?? How did they know they can use heat to do chemosynthesis?? How did they know they need energy??
RaYz89 2 years ago
You see what the human genome project told us also is that genetic information is very complicated... and even though the first plant cell only use chemosynthesis... it still requires a some protein perhaps to do chemosynthesis, and this require genes, they must have membranes, and this require genes, but coincidently the elements in the ocean combined to form DNA with the exact code to code for the substance for it to perform chemosynthesis and reproduction?
RaYz89 2 years ago
Plus, DNA requires enzymes to be able to express its genetic information, variety of enzymes!! But... enzyme requires DNA to be synthesize in the 1st place, but DNA cant synthesize enzyme without an enzyme in the first place... so a DNA and enzyme must exist at the same time... so the elements combine coincidently created enzyme that can express the DNA and also produce the DNA at the same time at that particular place to create the first cell?
RaYz89 2 years ago
I dare you and any scientist out there to create a WORKING DNA & ENZYME that will form a CELL that can SURVIVE and REPRODUCE from just letting the elements on the earth 3 billions years ago colliding with each other without any interventions (ie just leave them in a box or aquarium or something...).. you see even though the first cell is claimed to be a very SIMPLE cell... for a cell to SURVIVE and REPRODUCE, it's not as SIMPLE like everything in it can just appear by randomly colliding elements
RaYz89 2 years ago
i already explained that its not a random process. and right now you're not talking about evolution anymore. you're talking about abiogenesis. another complete different theory. don't mix them up.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Obviously you havent learn enough about evolution yet... the theory of evolution is mainly about mutation... and mutation is nothing more than a random process... that's the simple fact of science... if you say it is not random... so something else intervenes... God perhaps?
RaYz89 2 years ago
the theory of evolution is not mainly mutation its mainly natural selection and its not random. u keep saying its random because u haven't been reading or even try to understand what i wrote. the theory of evolution doesn't say anything about god. it doesn't explain god. evolution explains how life evolves. just like gravity explains gravity and not where gravity comes from. i told u to read ur biology textbooks, u refused. so u don't want to understand. what else can i say?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
haha... why not mutation?? In the biology textbook for secondary school and pre-uni both says evolution is about mutation and natural selection... you cannot remove mutation from evolution because its the only mechanism that they claim to be the one that produces new species... from a fish to a bird is by mutation... its not by natural selection a fish will become a bird... its not by natural selection a cell will become a fish...
RaYz89 2 years ago
natural selection shows how there is a variety among the same species... like how birds have different beaks... but it never show how fish become birds, or how cells become fish... mutation is the claim for how that happen... and that my friend... is a RANDOM process
RaYz89 2 years ago
cells > fish > reptiles > mammals
these are all proven in fossil records. if u say its not then ur not talking bout science.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
im not saying "not mutation". read carefully. i said its mainly natural selection. mutations occur all the time. natural selection ensures that only mutations that ensures the survivability of a species stay and that is not random. im not removing mutation from the equation.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
so when there is mutation it is RANDOM, right?
RaYz89 2 years ago
mutation is random yes. and bear in mind i didn't say god didn't do it. maybe he did.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
so when God do it... it is creationism...
RaYz89 2 years ago
yes assuming god did it. but that's not within the realm of science. science explain observable things, and not god. don't confuse the two.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
No no... science explains God's existence if you learn it from another perspective then the one we've been indoctrinated... but that's another whole lesson which will not fit here. Anyway, my arguments is just to say that life exists nowadays is because of creationism (ie God), but when you say evolution might be done by God... well, there's not really much I can say fight about that...
RaYz89 2 years ago
i'm debating becoz u said that god intervened in every steps of the way. perhaps god intervened in t=0. creating all the constants, like speed of light and stuff (kun fa ya kun). but evidence found on earth (fossil records, dna, chromosome number in chimps n humans) proved that evolution is the mechanism by which life on earth evolved.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
science doesn't explain god existence because we can't see, measure, touch, and experiment on god. science cannot explain god. refer to your scientific method topic.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
pergi tgk profile DonExodus2 - tgk playlist "How Evolution Works" kalau kau berminat cari kebenaran. selamat malam.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
I look at the video, and you can search for the e-book "Atlas of Creation", a very simple and good book to open up your prespective, that evolution is actually not the truth... learn from both views like I have that you will be closer to the truth...
RaYz89 2 years ago
i've read harun yahya's book. harun yahya is a smart guy who made beautiful english translations of the qur'an, but he's not a biologist. his book has been discredited by richard dawkins and many other scientists, videos available on youtube
tetleydidley 2 years ago
discredited by evolutionists? a creationist book discredited by evolutionist? of course!! If they credited it... they'll be proven wrong~
RaYz89 2 years ago
there's no such thing as evolutionist. do u say "gravitist"? or "eletricitist"? scientists discredited it with facts. harun discredited evolution with pseudofacts. why can't u accept evolution? my dad accepted it. he's a muslim and voting for PAS and also sometimes imam at the neighbourhood mosque.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Evolutionist does exists... just like embryologist, microbiologists, creationists... its not an official career... its just explain that person's discipline... I cant accept evolution as a scientific fact because it is not a proven fact... people prove gravity existed, and I accepted it... as from our discussion, you can see there are many questions evolution theory failed to answer...
RaYz89 2 years ago
search for the word evolutionist on google, and u will find that all of them are used by creationist. u have evolutionary biologist, but certainly not evolutionist. evolution is a proven scientific fact. have you seen some of the fossil records?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
well where does creationist comes from? all of them are used by evolutionists... and lets not get started on who started using that first... its no big deal really... well, if you read at some harun yahya's work, he explained how those fossils actually prove evolution does not happen... well, now you are just going to say he is not a biologist, scientist discredited him and all... if you opinion is that he's not qualified.. I cannot change that, but so far I dont think he speak nonsense..
RaYz89 2 years ago
i have a question for u, adam and eve right, they weren't white. evidence suggests that the first humans were africans. so how do u explain that we observe today whites and asians?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Simple, as Darwin explained how birds have different beak on Gallapagos islands... but, it just show there is variety in one species, it does not show how one species evolve into another species... The whole journey in Gallapagos only show birds of same species forming different beaks, but they remain to be a bird... same as human... through meiosis we develop random genetic info..thus giving birth to random child.. but our child will still be human, no prove that it evolve into another species
RaYz89 2 years ago
so u accept that mutation happens..
tetleydidley 2 years ago
a big YES!! mutation only show diversity,abnormalities, or maybe nothing at all but mutation does not show a fish becoming reptile and reptile becoming bird... neither does natural selection... these are yet to be proven... fossils? Harun Yahya use it against evolution...
RaYz89 2 years ago
ok... u accept mutation... but do u accept natural selection?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
if you referring natural selection as... bird with the correct beaks will survive better then bird with weaker beaks... yes i accept... You see, natural SELECTION is a SELECTION process... it is not a CHANGING or MUTATION process which is required to make a new species...
RaYz89 2 years ago
you are absolutely right... natural selection is not about changing, it's not about mutation. im glad we can agree now. so u actually agreed with darwin's 2 out of 5 mechanisms through which evolution occurs. which, may i tell you, are the most common causes of evolution as accepted by scientists. now i want to ask you, did allah actually say in the qur'an that things cannot evolve?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Agreeing with mechanism does not mean acknowledging the theory... because I told you I agree that they prove there is DIVERSITY... but not enough to prove there is EVOLUTION (ie from one species to another)... Allah does say in the quran that he CREATED human, how? from clay (and water)... definitely not from a single cell in the earth's water slowly evolving to primeape and then becoming homo sapiens...
RaYz89 2 years ago
ask yourself deeply, did allah exactly in the qur'an say that no species can evolve?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Owh cmon can't you get the point... if Allah says he created human... that means creationism and not evolution is stated in the Quran~!!
RaYz89 2 years ago
he said he created everything, but he didn't say through what mechanism right?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
He did say actually from clay (and water) .. and for hawa (eve) He created her from Adam's ribs.. there you go.. creation of human being = from clay and from adam's rib (for eve) according to the Quran. Not from evolution for human being.. which in this case is in favor of creationism~
RaYz89 2 years ago
ok... so how do you personally define "species". how do we know which species belong to what species?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
Hurm.. according to what I learn before... one of the way to determine species... is they are able to mate, produce egg and sperm, fertilize and produce a healthy offspring... but for this discussion what I meant by species is the obvious different types of organism like bird and elephants are different species, or e.coli and crocodile are also diff species...
RaYz89 2 years ago
ok look at ur message box in youtube. =)
tetleydidley 2 years ago
RaYz89, is it hard to type with a straight jacket on?
qwidproquo 2 years ago
This may interest you, google "observed instances of speciation" and "Italian Wall Lizard" evolution... If you look for the peer reviewed papers there are more facts then you can wrap your mind around.
TheEVILutionist 2 years ago
i want you to know that god may have made the mysteries of life possible through evolution. god didn't say anything bout evolution in qur'an. he didn't even explain how he made the world. scientists just fill those gaps so we may understand how smart god is making such mechanisms work.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
He didn't say anything about evolution, but He did mention He created man (Adam), which means that human did not come from ape... God created the first man and Adam used to live in heaven before earth, evolution claim the first cell live in earth's water, but Adam was created in heaven, so it means evolution does not happen for human... which also means evolution might not happen at all...
RaYz89 2 years ago
the thing is, he didn't say exactly how that happened did he? thats where science come in. evolution happened for the simple fact that we see white blond blue eyed people on earth. how do u explain the diversity of human life if not through the theory of evolution?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
It is explain in meiosis... there are 4 steps (if i'm not mistaken) in meiosis and fertilization where our genetic information will get mixed up... but never have I see that genetic information suddenly code for a different species... Diversity is proven~ from one species to another species... humm... not proven~
RaYz89 2 years ago
oi.. ko baca ke tidak komen aku sebelum ni hah?
tetleydidley 2 years ago
The topic "ekosistem terancam" and "ekosistem dinamik" in your biology textbook explains how exactly does the environment "know" which species to kill or not. All living things have to adapt or die - mostly they die. And just so you know, the environment doesn't have anything to do with the complex steps our body are undertaking now - like making red blood cells.
tetleydidley 2 years ago
yep. evolution would stand strong even if every single fossil vanished today
toolegit2quittttt 2 years ago
A. Wow you have a dictionary, congrats. I never said it has a place in science. I just said it has nothing to do with god or the bible..
B. There is huge evidence for micro, there is literally none for for macro, back up your statements with facts
K20ej88 2 years ago
Tiktaalik.
Back up your statements with facts...
MiikeLeee 2 years ago
This may interest you, google "observed instances of speciation" and "Italian Wall Lizard" evolution... If you look for the peer reviewed papers there are more facts then you can wrap your mind around.
TheEVILutionist 2 years ago
@K20ej88 You are a fucking moron.
disolusiond 8 months ago
There are not only two theories about creation. Look at Joseph Campbell's book, "Hero With a Thousand Faces". There are hundreds if not thousands of theories that come out of over a thousand pockets of different cultures.
Tibetan4thofJuly 3 years ago
Brilliant video, too bad the creationist won't have the capacity to understand this. 5 stars.
flayed2 3 years ago 10
Dr Powell and Dr. Miller stated the case so plainly, even the least educated person should be able to understand the point.
Eugenie is always right on.
Great video; thanks for posting!
mhoytus 3 years ago 5
One of the best vids I've seen on this subject. Thanks.
nevagin 3 years ago 6
creationists want to cheat to get into schools, everytime they try to enter it in, be it through creationism v.2, aka Intelligent Design, is to cheat their way, and when you examine their arguments you always find flaws because they're dishonest from the start.
ccheng21 3 years ago
Thanks for the video. I think that your statement is pretty stereotypical though. As with any group of people, there will be bad apples. But it goes both ways. So there isn't even an argument there. I think it would be best if it was made better known, what is theory and what is absolute fact. And the idea of a creator should be for the students to decide. Bible class should be separate from science class. The bible should be only a reference book.
wwwADAMSPADEcom 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this.
thkaal 4 years ago 3