The Argument for Evolution

[GodGuided]

Your hiding from me. :)

[jimforcy]

Wow you're creepier than most fundies...

[GodGuided]

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This fishes fossils that are claimed to be "350 million" years old match up perfectly with the fish we see today. Not a single change.

Like you said before about the fish becomeing a biger fish. There is not intelligence to it. The larger fish would just eat and eat till all the smaller fish would be gone. Yet everything seems to be set up in a perfect little food change where it all works out.

Design.

[GodGuided]

That is what I am saying. Cells don't work by twriling a rubber band, it is a complex motor. All the parts had to be there at the same time for it to work. Design.

[GodGuided]

I know there is a twenner, fish amphimbian. The question I should rephrase. Why can't we see with out a doubt the steps from a surtain fish becoming this fishbian? You just assume that a fish evolved into it, with never seeing it happen, or haveing any proof of this ever happening before.

You could say the amphbian was turning into a fish if you felt like it.

And lineing up fossils that look like one may turn into the other is not proof.

You need to show the little or giant step(s).

[jimforcy]

So carbon/radio dating + being found in layers of rock that show progression through time is questionable but a man who can speak directly to the "designer" is not? Give me a break. Given your arguments I'm starting to think even you don't believe this crap.

[GodGuided]

Actually God know we need proof of Him, so He sent prophets to tell the future. The Bible is 100% accurate 100% of the time at predicting the future. So it is not just takeing some one word for it.

[jimforcy]

Fortune telling. Interesting. I hear there is good money in fortune telling. Is that the same as what Jon Edwards does? Or is that spirit reading? Can I has cryztal ballz?

Luckily when dealing with this bullsh*t is easy for logical people since it call all be lumped together as equally illogical.

Did you happen to see the oldest bible in the world was put online the other day? Funny story, theres no mention of the resurrection. I wonder how long ago a person decided that needed to be added?

[GodGuided]

We both know your full of it.

But I would like to hear it, so I may debunk it. How old is the Bible, and is it older then the dead sea scrolls? Where can I find a link to this? And was it a known pagan text from alexandia? You do know that their texts last long because, no one used them, they were known frauds.

[jimforcy]

codexsinaiticus d.o.t org

[GodGuided]

Where on this site does it talk about no resurrection?

[jimforcy]

Oh and btw it must be nice to just throw out versions of your own story tale that don't confirm what you already think.

Brainwash all of it.

[GodGuided]

LOL, you are so full of it.

What now did I throw out.

King James Bible 100% fact, wont throw a thing out of it.

You are just hidding from me. It is cute. :)

[jimforcy]

Wow. Try to control your love for me.

The bible's found in Egypt and Greece are somehow less true than King James? Did you know King James is a revision? How does one revise the word of God? That must be tricky.

[GodGuided]

Wait. First you will claim "benificail" mutations will make it threw, but then say that it does not work that way, when I ask why would a fish that passed threw "billion" of lotaries and won them all, and then all the sudden made a bigger fish to eat it's self was benificail?

You are just randomly put together, yet earlier you implied that humans are perfect. You make no sence.

[GodGuided]

LOL, then you don't answer why we did not stay A-sexual. You claim there is an answer, but claim there is no "time" for it. Conviently. :)

Not even a quick sum up of how and why?

[GodGuided]

I did not mean how did cells make male and female. I ment fish. A male and female "evolved" at the same time and happen to find each other, and want to mate in the giant oceans, and this was benificail?

There is more life on the planet then when the first cells formed. Well why don't we see changes from one animal to another today? We have more cells and DNA all ready made in the waters of the world, prime for life why are they not coming to make new life today?

[GodGuided]

Yet you assume it was able to happen "billions" of years ago in a chaotic world that was not fit for life?

[GodGuided]

Religion says we came from God, not nothing.

Evidence that we are designed. Well if all the life we see today did not exist at the same time, it would not be able to live. The earth is the only planet with life, and is just the right distance away from the sun, the moon is the right distance from the earth, so there isn't tidle waves.

I will take a guys word who lived 1,000 years ago over a scientist who says the evidence is "millions" and "billions" of years in the past.

[jimforcy]

So what you are saying is that you are afraid due to the fact that the evidence overwhelms you.

Well I am so sorry that reality of science doesn't play nice with your personal sensitivities and preconceptions. We should all change facts to make sure you "feel" better about what you believe. No. We will not bend on facts just because you get sad thinking about how utterly small pathetic and meaningless out existence is. Grow up and accept it, and live your life like an adult.

[GodGuided]

So your saying your afriad to face your maker?

[jimforcy]

Oh gosh. What did I saw about personification?

Fictitious entities cannot make something (humans and animals can). It would be equally absurd for me to say "evolution made something". Evolution is not a person and did not make humans. It explains our observations of how humans came to be. Evolution does not have intent, and neither can something that doesn't exist. Hence, God cannot make. Are you scared of ghosts?

[GodGuided]

There are no such thing as ghosts.

LOL, what observations have you had that prove evilutionism?

[jimforcy]

Wow. You really don't know how to read do you? I state that you cannot prove a theory. Just like you cannot prove god exists. Evolution is a process that allows for its assumptions to be wrong. Religion does not. Ok now ask me the same question about 4-5 more times. I know you want to.

[GodGuided]

LOL, well you are so hell bent on evilutionism being right, and you have not gave one reason why you do. Proof useually makes people believe. And you have not proven God not to exist and the Bible to be wrong, yet you are hell bent on it being wrong.

So it seems you are a coward hiding behind "it's a theory" so you don't have to make your self look stupid trying to answer questions about evilutionism.

[jimforcy]

Evolution cannot be right. Evolution admits you cannot prove certain things. Religion tries to set arbitrary moral absolutes until the bridge between reality and their insane beliefs becomes inconvenient.

[GodGuided]

I am not saying people can not control them selves with out the fear of hell. I am saying why bother controling your self if you don't have to worry about hell, and will never go to a place like heaven?

Understand?

[jimforcy]

Yes, I understand. What I am saying is that you are completely wrong.

I don't believe in God yet I do things we agree on as "right" (refrain from murder, mutilation, etc). I'm starting to think you aren't even listening to my arguments.

[GodGuided]

I don't think you understand. Just becaue, you don't believe in God does not mean you can't do something right, just like just because, I believe in God does not mean I don't do anything wrong. The point you are makeing does not apply here at all.

Besides, God wrote right and wrong our hearts, it is called a conscience.

[jimforcy]

God "wrote" nothing. He doesn't exist. I'd prefer you stop personifying a fictitious character.

You're claim was "why bother controling yourself if you don't have to worry about hell". I responded that I don't believe in God and do things right because it benefits us all to do right things. You responded with "Just becaue, you don't believe in God does not mean you can't do something right". So by your own logic you conceded that in order to do good one need not believe in God.

[GodGuided]

Your are either a bone head, or you like to twist everything I say.

Anyway, If there is no God, why not kill you and take your home for my family?

[jimforcy]

Ok I twist your words? I just repeated what you said.

And to answer your question; you could do exactly that, but then you would face consequences. Legal and psychological consequences. Actions have consequences is the basis for evolution. Actions that promote your ability to reproduce will likely further your genes. The opposite could be said as well.

[GodGuided]

LOL, you play your little tricks. I answer a question, then you reply with changeing the question.

Anyway. Well just because, legal problems does not mean it is wrong. That does not stop me from wanting to do so. I mean, I will not go to hell if the fry me, so why not live life to the fullest, take what I want when I want. Likt that new movie about dillinger?

[jimforcy]

Do you want to come take my house from me? No.

Do I want to come take your house from you? No.

Can you ever stop me from wanting to even if I did? No, unless you created a proof-less story about how I'd be punished after death for these thoughts. Only when we do something is is illegal. That is where the law (or our common beliefs) take hold.

[GodGuided]

The laws in our country are based off of Biblical laws.

Anyway law is not the point. I want to take you house, what is wrong with that, other then your opinion. I think it is right. What makes me wrong on this?

[jimforcy]

You're not wrong to think it. You're wrong to do it. Once you do it the law takes over.

[GodGuided]

I will stand by the Bible as the word of God, and never changes.

Where in the Bible does it say we will not learn more? The Bible basicly lays out everything for you, so you can read the Bible and learn all you need. Watch my videos about it, such as (attack on the flat landers)

I will ask of you to, prove something wrong in the Bible? KJV.

[jimforcy]

You are the one claiming the bible "lays everything out". I have to prove nothing. Nothing is the default, if you are to claim something (god) exists then you must show evidence. You have no evidence for any of the stories to claim as fact.

[GodGuided]

I am going to take your stance. I have to prove nothing, nothing is the default. If you claim evilutionism is real you must first prove it.

[jimforcy]

Evolution is not a thing. It is a process where we observe what is going on. We're not trying to explain anything, simply recording observations. God on the other hand is an entity that you claim has some sort of "purpose" for us. While I observe that way the world is, you make up what you want the world to be and attribute that to some false being.

[GodGuided]

So you have observed one animal turning into another? You have seen an ape turn into a man? You have seen a lizard turn into a bird?

You have only assumptions and imagination.

[jimforcy]

You're right. The collection of millions of tangible fossils is pure imagination...

[GodGuided]

LOL, what fossil do you have, and what can you prove with them?

[jimforcy]

Evolution is not a thing to prove or disprove. I do not claim evolution "exists". Evolution is a process. You cannot prove or disprove it because it makes no claims. Instead it simply observes. You claim God actually exists, so defend your claim. All I claim is to observe what actually happens.

[GodGuided]

It is not child abuse. If you child does something wrong you diciplint them. I did not grow up with Religion, but my Dad whiped my ass all the time, and it taught me alot, and kept me out of alot of trouble. It is still aloud in the Bible. You are just trying to say spanking a child is abuse. I for one am glade my Dad "abused" me.

[GodGuided]

Only hypocrites you claim to be Christian changed that "inturpitation".

It is not crazy to beat your children. Look around you, look at all the children doing drugs, joining gangs, killing, being whores, look at jerry springer and all those other day time crap, if they put a rod against their ass they would not be acting like they are today.

To many parents are cowardly and lazy. They think diciplint is not love.

[jimforcy]

Thank you for making my point. The Bible is not fact. It can be interpreted in any fashion to justify one's beliefs. I think people who use the Bible as justification can do right things, but the Bible and the words inside are just words, not any kind of evidence.

[GodGuided]

Actualy the point you made was the Bible changes, and I refuted that.

Read it, it is literal.

And your logic is odd, the words are not proof just words, so all historic documents, signatures, and laws are not proof for anything, just words? Evilutionism books don't prove anyting they are just words. Duh.

[jimforcy]

"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)

You really take this literally? Sure. Even you know that is BS.

[GodGuided]

I like how you left out that she was a whore. And yes I agree with killing every one who sins, even my self.

We are just lucky that God came down here and died for all our sins for us. And no longer requirs us to do such things. People can be forgiven, and they don't have to pay for their sins them self. And God said from now on He will take vengence not us.

[jimforcy]

Haha wow you are absurd in more ways than I can comprehend. You just admitted that it is ok to kill whores. Ok so what's next? Kill all people who are gluttons? You know how many fat ass people stuff themselves into the pew every Sunday morning?

[GodGuided]

Like I said, all sinner should be killed. People would straiten up pritty fast, and the world would be a better place would it not?

Like I said before as well, we are told God will do the dirty work for us.

[jimforcy]

Why would you want to worship such a disgusting thug-like entity? The entity you describe enables people to take a dump personal responsibility. It says "don't worry, god is doing ghastly and unspeakable things in your name". Frankly, if he did exist I wouldn't want such a person to do anything in my name. There's a reason why 99% of convicts are religious...

[GodGuided]

LOL, God does nothing in your name.

[jimforcy]

We are all born as athiests. Just because you chose to believe some hocus pocus doesn't make you a better person than any athiest out there. In fact, it just makes you crazy.

[GodGuided]

We are all born as theist. Just because, you choose to believe some redundant crap doesn't you a better person than any thiest out there. In fact, it just makes you insane.

Your kind of thinking leads to holocausts. Putting people in institutes because, YOU think they should be.

[jimforcy]

Redundant? How is evolution redundant? Must be nice to change your doctrine with the weather.