@abbyguy: When it all comes down to it, the WBTS is a dragnet just like the churches. And first century christians needed to use the bible to help then reason or think. Somehow it's a sin for WBTS to give commentary on the bible?
This is pure regurgitating vomit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why dont people do their homework before they come on here spewing out sewage they dont understand. people look for ANYTHING they can to make jehovah a liar , just as the devil aserted, and they fail time after time after time after time....................and they ALWAYS will.
@ruffaz24 Wake up dude ask Christ Jesus to make His Self Known to you because it's pretty evident you see the World and Word of God thru Watchtower colored glasses time is short don't give your soul to the CORPORATION Jesus said YOU SHALL be MY WITNESSES not publishers of the Watchtower Corp. Just Look @ Russell's Grave site and no it's not in the new DVD by the WT "Out of DARKNESS" when they show a tight camera shot of the head stone so not to show THE GIANT PYRAMID monument of C.T. Russell NWO
@ruffaz24 : Silly boy. Rather than resorting ad-homs why don't you "TRY" and reason this out with the scriptures. But I suppose that's what one does when they are cornered and CAN"T answer the question. You call people names and use bluster as if that will work...YA RIGHT! Hey news flash Jesus IS Jehovah. It's as plain as the Nose on your face. As long as you shun the truth you will be in darkness. To "see" the truth you MUST be born again the you will comprehend what was once a mystery to you.
@abbyguy So You say Jesus is God, right???Well then that means that you are saying the following: God required himself to be baptised, God approved himself as his only son, God allowed satan to tempt himself to prove his loyalty to himself, God asked himself for permission to do things, God died and then raised himself from the dead even though he was still dead, God walked around talking to himself constantly (prayer), since "no man may see God and yet live" then you are also saying that (next)
@badwingduck1 all the apostles dropped dead the moment they laid eyes on him, thus making any scripture accredited to them spurious, and worse of all you are saying that God lied to us, because instead of giving up his only begotten son for us in order to be saved he gave himself up instead!!! Oh and let's not forget that God also taught himself to be obedient to himself. What a bunch of lies that can only come from a trinitarian God that has been lying to us for centuries since about the (next)
@badwingduck1 4th century A.D. to be more precise. Wow!! That sounds like a pretty derelict god to me...alzheimer's perhaps??? Jesus is as the bible repeatedly states he is...God's son period. Jehovah's Witnesses worship a God that they know...Jehovah... he does not and cannot lie, and he doesn't walk around talking to himself either.
@ruffaz24 but Jehovah´s Witnesses say that Jehovah is a Liar themselves. Look, they say that everything was created through the "agency" of Jesus, right? But "Jehovah" or better YHWH says: "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with MY HANDS" (isaiah 45:12) & "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE" (isaiah 44:24) - so, here again WT says YHWH is a LIAR, or how wd u interpret?
These are the names of the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Re 22:8)
Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God.
In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.
The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation; verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,” and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself.
@Hardz07JW Dude what is wrong with you Watch the Other vid on the KIT the watchtower is built on a foundation of LIE's, false Prophesy, and GREED and it will not stand; the NWT is the most ANTI CHRISTIAN/Christ piece of literature to be printed EVER!!!!!!
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God. The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”
The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Jehovah. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God.—Compare Isa 44:6.
The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Jehovah. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God.—Compare Isa 44:6.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first(alpha), and with the last(omega); I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. .
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am...
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
@dangermouse524 And the Society does have a long-standing tendency to misquote scholars out of context. Goodspeed also made the comment that the grammar was "regrettable". And its BEDUHN, not Debuhn...and yes, he does give some endorsement to the NWT, but also offers criticisms of it as well. But scholars who are much more recognized and qualified in their field than BeDuhn have almost unanimously labeled the NWT as an extremely biased translation.
@dangermouse524 Says a number of people who were at Bethel at the time. People you would call "apostates", thereby thinking their information must automatically be false. Of course, 2edgedsword makes the ridiculous assumption that "they wouldn't do that", with absolutely no knowledge at all of the qualifications of the translators. So I think my argument is more sound than his. As for my Greek and Hebrew speaking credentials...I am not translating the Bible.
Concerning healing on the Sabbath, yes, they sought occasion against Him for healing on the sabbath. He also showed them that the law was made for man, and not man for the law. Who wouldn't rescue a sheep caught in the fence on the sabbath? Isn't a man worth more than sheep? Since the sabbath was not as important as healing a man, being one of the ten commandments, what does that say about the JW position on blood transfusion to save a life?
@2edgedsw0rd First of all Jesus says he is not equal to God. the pharisees were not looking at what Jesus was doing which was performing miracles. The love he showed doing this. All they saw was more of there close mindness, worrying about there own glory and self loathing. Happens alot today too, ones do not want to see the good ones are doing because it goes against what they think they all ready know. Jesus glorifying his father is not going against the sabbath. just blind pharisees
Wake up people lest you find yourselves ashamed at the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. By what spirit would someone try to down play the power and Deity of the Lamb of God? The problem is, as mentioned in revelation 'the God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie because they received not the love of the truth'...therefore what God has closed, shall man open? Or what God has opened, shall man close?
If wikipedia disagrees with watchtower doctrine, it must be the devil, ...negative media, the devil again...the history channel, yep, you guessed it, the devil again...the Internet, more devilish sources talking about this poor innocent, filthy rich watchtower. It was the devil that said Rutherford built Beth Sarim and lived there until he died...
Dr. Julius Mantey was the oldest living koine Greek scholar. He was another subject of the watchtower's deceptive misquoting propaganda. He expresses his true finding on the NWT on a video. With the information age at hand, I expect JW membership to decline as a result of all the knowledge of this intellectually dishonest organization becoming available for all.
@2edgedsw0rd Uh, actually that is precisely what they did. The names of the 5 "translators" are now known, and only ONE of them had ANY training in the Biblical languages...2 years of Greek. This was Fred Franz, who proved on the witness stand that he could NOT translate or read Greek. And then, they used the corrupt Westcott-Hort text as their basis...a recipe for disaster.
@SmokyMtnMan6593 YES JW's THIS is TRUE but don't belive Smokymtnman6593 Don't belive me or the Watchtower RESEARCH the Watchtower be like the Berens and see if the things the WT are telling you are true Paul commended them so if the man who penned 2/3rd's of the New Testement said this was a good thing how are the GOV BODY above Apostle Paul?
@teflonfanatic In rebuttal. You JW's are so biased instead of refuting an argument you insult. Neener neener neener...see...Sounds just as silly when I do it as you do when you do it.
READ THE BIBLE!!!
Put down the WBTS literature and just READ the bible. You don't need someone telling you what to think, the first century Christians didn't.
It's all there for those who really truly want the truth...and it WILL set you free.
Right. Isn't it amazing how you can put such trust in a group of people - literally putting your life in their hands - and yet you have not met any of them personally, you struggle to name them off the top of your head, and you have absolutely no idea who translated their Bible. Amazing.
Well i'd be slightly concerned using a translation which has been translated by absolutely no Hebrew or Greek trained scholars, but besides that, the Septuagint rendering of this verse is in agreement with the major translations.
I don't agree. The reason why Jesus was 'anointed with the oil of exaltation' is outlined in Phil 2:5-11. Jesus of course, as the Son of God, is a servant of his Father and has revealed his Father to us (John 1:18). The reason why the writer of Hebrews quotes from Psalm 45 is because Jesus is from the line of David and so He messianically fulfills the verse in Psalms.
Well doubtless we will agree on that, the Son is subject to the Father, and the Son calls the Father God just as the Father calls the Son God in Hebrews 1:8. All of the Father's divinity dwells within the Son as shown at Colossians 2:9, so it is hard not to recognize Christ as fully God within this context.
I don't think you'll get any trinitarian to say that Jesus, as the son, is also the father.Verse 1 is stating that the Revelation (or unveiling) of Jesus was given by the Father to the Son,who in turn sent forth his angel.Jesus, as the Son,is also fully God(Col 2:9)This is why Rev 22:6 states that the Lord God (Kurios Theos)'sent his angel to show his servants things which must soon take place'.Romans 10:9 "Confess that Jesus is Kurios". God is coming quickly in the person of Christ
I did see someone use John 5:18 to prove God and Jesus are equal, but you are not taking into fact everything else. you can not use one scripture and disregard others. Jews wanted to kill Jesus right? They were the ones attempting to make him equal to God. Jesus answered "truly I say to you, The son can do NOTHING of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. (see John 5:19,14:28 & 10:36) Hope this helps. Even Jesus states He is not equal to God. JESUS says this, so believe him ok
i do have to say this, "these people who attack the JW's only make my faith stronger, for every accusation i find the truth behind the lies and grow stronger in faith"
Thats not a problem. At the end of the day, I am not attacking anything. I simply quoted a Watchtower article that you said did not exist. If you want to get all defensive over it that is your pony.
@truthoutmedia you must have misunderstood me, in that issue of the WT ther WT is refered to as a "prophet" WITH quotation marks, and when it speaks of actual Prophets like ezekiel it says prophet WITHOUT quotation marks.
@truthoutmedia o c'mon seriously do you need drawings to understand, (i am not questioning your intelligence)did you just read the paragraph titles of that article? rererereread the article titled
*** w72 4/1 p. 197 ‘They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them’ ***
The paragraph goes on to say that the "prophet" (you still haven't told me what "prophet" means) is identified as Jehovah's Witnesses - or, more realistically, the GB.
Any one being a spokesman for God to man might thus be called a prophet. Thus Enoch, Abraham, and the patriarchs, as bearers of God's message , as also Moses , are ranked among the prophets. The seventy elders of Israel (Num 11:16-29), "when the spirit rested upon them, prophesied;" Asaph and Jeduthun "prophesied with a harp" (1Ch 25:3). Miriam and Deborah were prophetesses (Exd 15:20; Jdg 4:4). The title thus has a general application to all who have messages from God to men.
You have a very watered down interpretation of 'Prophet' and I cant help but think it is your attempt to wrestle out of the facts. If you are seriously suggesting that a prophet, in any sense of the word, if really speaking for God, would get so many things wrong regarding predictions, speculations and 'old light', then you are either at least mistaken or at most deluded.
@truthoutmedia do not wonder. i have answered your questions, regarding false prophets. would you like to examine the scripures? any of the Holy Scriptures using any translation.
@truthoutmedia for instance when you first read a book on X subject and you reread tht same book on subject X would it not be more understandable the second time and so on? would it not be more easy to understand bible prophecies AFTER they where fulfilled, the Bible Students before 1914 knew that date was of great significance,but did not quite fully know why, or what would occur. they had wrong expections, hey do you know who else had wrong expactations? Jesus own disciples!
Regardless of our interpretation of what this magazine article is actually saying, wouldn't you agree that if one does not follow the teachings of the Faithful Slave (Watchtower Society / GB) then they cannot be saved?
@truthoutmedia there will be a ressurection of righteous and unrighteous Acts 24:15, the Faithful Slave (Watchtower Society / GB) are the ones giving us spiritual food, aka Gods word,listening and taking to heart what they tell us is getting to know Jehovah, John 17:3. people who heard the truth but did not obey will not be save,those who was never preached might be saved, in the end Jehovah Through Jesus willl judge
@ThirdNUnion what reason would you offer me as to why the Watchtower booklet called "Should You Believe in the Trinity" felt it necessary to misrepresent the Early Church Fathers on page 7. Or are you unfamiliar with this fact?
nice video. Like your site. clevlandshero very zealous is good.He be good follower of Jesus, (God in flesh Jesus)pray he come to Truth.Like to leave comment on your site,can't ,don't know why. God bless you,for showing such soul stirring Truths on your site.
Jesus has two natures fully God& fully man. Calls them brothers out of the human love and compassion He has,also He is love,God is Love 1Jn4:16. Jesus loves us so much He died for us to show us how send destroys us and our lives. Loves us so much, He hurts when we hurt, feels joy when we feel joy. "we are the Body of Christ"
Is9:6 Jesus called"Everlasting Father"(Jehovah). Shema:hear o israel our Lord our god our lord is one" All things are composite unity,the word one in hebrew (in shema)"echad" means composite unity. We are composite unity head,arms,legs,ect. God is of one essence,three beings,Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Jesus said He was the"I Am" Jn9:58.God has appeared like man in time before,Garden of Eden,to Abraham, ect. God became man,"nothing impossible for God"Mt19:26.
why do you think he call his disciples his brothers? the same people ones who he said were gods? they are all sons of the Most High Jehovah their is only one Most High God and that is Jehovah
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”
@twotetah so you don't believe that Jesus is the Father but yet Jehovah is the Father and the God of Jesus Christ but Jesus is still equal to him even though he have a God?
I've explained this to you before and I don't know how many times I need to explain it to make it clearer. This makes me think either you are incapable of understanding or you are just not bothering to read what I write. Again let me say it:
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is God
God is Yahweh (Jehovah). The Father, Son and Spirit are Jehovah. They are not three Gods. They are one God. One Jehovah. Matthew 28:19 'The NAME (singular) of Father, Son, Spirit'
@truthoutmedia so you believe in 3 Gods form the Most High God Jehovah that is not Monotheism in its purest form Jehovah says Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.” Jehovah say he is one Jehovah not 3 in1 Deuteronomy 6:4 can you show me in the scriptures where Jesus taught the Holy Trinity?
You have just proven it yourself. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS"
Isaiah says Jehovah does not share glory with anyone. Why does Jesus here say that he shared glory with his father before the world was if Jehovah doesnt share glory with anyone but HIMSELF?
@truthoutmedia Jesus did say that he said "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was" Jesus do not share the same Glory as Jehovah he is not equal to him .
@truthoutmedia how do being Gods son make him equal to God? Jesus never taught his disciples that he was equal to his father never!, Jesus said it himself in a form of a question " do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?" John 10:36 Jesus never claim to be equal to his Father and God Jehovah he was trying to figure out why he was being called blasphemous
Cleve, you haven't answered my question on whether Jesus is true or false, and I think we both know why. If you would have admitted that he is true, that makes Jesus the true God, and there is only one true God. I can see you are a guy with many questions, since you address every question with a question.
@truthoutmedia when Jesus told his disciples that they where gods it was not a figure of speech they are really gods but see they are not Angels though because they are Kings and Judges, Peter, Lazarus, Marry, Thomas, they are all gods Jesus little flock who Jehovah approved and gave them the Kingdom to rule with Jesus Luke 12:32 Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom.
Respond to this video... if Jesus was to say that he was the only true God then he would be a false God because he is not the only True God Jesus can not be called a false God because he never claimed to be the Creator Jehovah just like angels are not false gods but they are gods
@clevelandshero23 He of the same substance God in essence(one of His2natures,God&man)His man nature has God(the Father)but is part of God the Trinity, His position is of son. 1x1x1=1. take example the egg(poor example)egg is shell ,white& yolk,still one egg, or one flame but three torches,3 manifestations/persons ect. but same essence. He equal in His God essence (even tho He still has the role of Son) less in His Human nature(in a sence) "He was created a little lower than the angels"
@twotetah where are you getting this God the Son and God the Spirit from? when have the bible ever refeered to Jesus as God the Son and the Holy Spirit as God the Spirit? the bible says that Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son
Going over the same old points that have been explained to you time and time again with many scriptures. Either you have a serious retention deficit or you are purposely ignoring what people are writing. When will you answer my question Cleve. All I want is one word from you. True or False. True or False. He is either true or false.
@clevelandshero23 when I say that Jehovah is the only true God that means he is the only one at his position Angels are gods Jesus is the Mighty God just because they are not the one True God Jehovah dose not mean they are false gods like the bible says their are many gods
Respond to this video... how can you use that Math with God where in the bible dose he says 2 other Gods are equal to him? 1x1x1=1? we are talking about 3 distinct spiritual persons but yet they are one God? I thought 3 persons equals 3 persons??? I am confuse
@clevelandshero23 1 esence 3 persons,composite being. these questions been answered before.3parts/persons 1 God. Michael(angel) couldn't rebuke Satan.Jesus not angel,is God,part of Tri-unity God. why does bible call man son of man?is man,son of God is God. Rutherford ( taze?)said true test of prophet is Dt.18:18,"if prophesy in My Name not come true then liar, dont listen to Him"(para.)lots false prophecies of JW leaders,JW proved false by founders&Bible. think,question&come to Jesus,God in fles
Actually, The Watchtower has claimed to be prophets. If you have the Watchtower library CD you can check this out for authenticity: Watchtower magazine 4/1/1972 page 197. The article was entitled "A prophet was among them", and the article presented the Watchtower as a prophet of God.
Now I guess the question you need to ask yourself is, after watching this video, 'Was this prophet RIGHT or WRONG'.
If right, this would make them true prophets, if wrong, false prophets.
@truthoutmedia did you not see the quotations marks where ever it is made in reference to the WT? and where it is obvious that it is not there are no quotation marks.
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
Ephesians 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him;
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,
@twotetah the word was God even though he was with God in the beginning that is crazy, where is the holy spirit why isn't he mentioned in the beginning with Jesus and Jehovah?
@clevelandshero23 In beresheet?Genesis<"The Spirit hovered over the waters",Nt says God is Spirit,also Spiit of God & Spirit of Christ is used interchangebally
@twotetah I can see in your bible it says the spirit of God witch basically saying Gods spirit so why dose it not say the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit? that would make it seem that the Holy Spirit was God or even a Person
@clevelandshero23 Gods Spirit part of God part of Trinity.No more talk"the more the words, the less the meaning"Ecc6:11,questions have been answer this Truth. JW false prophecies,like great falling away in'75.JW said world was going to end,no matter what they say now(I know JW who left Jw 'cause of that) many others If founders claimed God gave them new light,and is false why follow them?just think 'bout it I hope this Seed of Truth grows and you come to know Him. no more talk,God bless you
@twotetah can you show me a quote where the watchtower predicted that 1975 was going to be the end of the world? and also what do that have to do with Jesus not being Jehovah?
@twotetah no it was a mistake on the watchtower part that is not Jesus speaking they have corrected that in the cross references it show that it is Jehovah in that scripture not Jesus Isaiah 40:10 Look! The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself will come even as a strong one, and his arm will be ruling for him. Look! His reward is with him, and the wage he pays is before him.
Brother, the New World Translation is 50 years old. Those references to Jesus being the one speaking in Revelation 22:12 were taken from Watchtower magazines written much later than that. They did not 'correct' it in the cross references since the cross references predate the magazines by decades. If anything, the Watchtower magazine has corrected the New World Translation references, not the other way around.
@truthoutmedia they did correct it we have gotten knew bible since 2003 the New World Translation being 50 years old is the more reason to say that they where wrong Jesus is not talking in Revelations 22:12 every Jehovah Witness brother will agree with me even the governing body
Brother, do you have an older Bible somewhere? I have a New World Translation here, dated before 2003 - it says revised 1984. In Revelation 22:12, next to where it says 'I am coming quickly', there is a reference letter L which points to Isaiah 40:10. In fact I have an old 1950 green New World Translation Bible and there is a star next to verse 12 pointing back to Isaiah 40:10. So they knew about it even back in 1950. If you want me to photograph it for you, I can
@clevelandshero23 if watchtower made mistake in this we're not to believe them, since top JW officials claim to have revelation direct from God,called "new light",they said end of world,God's kingdom ect was coming in 1914,'32,'75,ec. Also David,Abraham,assorted O.T. figures coming to earth,(Cali? )in '30's -'40's,WRONG. Either they liars or either God. God is not.Jesus 2 natures,God and man. Jesus&Yahweh both called Mighty God(Is9:6,10:21). Jesus is God,is Truth. Come to Him& be set free.
@twotetah the bible itself disprove your belief that Jesus is the Almighty God Jehovah if Jesus made a distinction between him and Jehovah through out the bible one scripture is Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” and also Psalms 110:1 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
@clevelandshero23 Jesus commanded satan to go away,even Moses couldn't do that,or Michael the archangel(Jude 9),)nly God Jesus. Jesus NOT Michael,Jesus "the same yesterday,today& forever"infinite. Same as Jehovah"who was who is & who shall be"Rv4:8, sit at right hand human nature always mystically linked& one essence with Trinity
@twotetah how dose Jesus telling Satan to go away makes him Jehovah? Jesus was being tested by Satan and he told him to go away how dose that make him Jehovah? Authority was given to him by Jehovah to rule in heaven and on earth,
@twotetah yes Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever he will always be the First and The Last the first to do and be resurrected to heaven and the last to be resurrected by Jehovah God himself
@twotetah and your Mighty God comment Jesus was not the Mighty God until everything was subjected to him in the New Testament. any scripture you try to use to indicate that Jesus is Jehovah can be disproved the bible dose not support your beliefs
Brother, how many times are you going to use that line "the bible does not support your beliefs". Surely you have to start backing that up.
John 1:1 says that In the BEGINNING the Word was God. Not 'when everything was subjected to him he became God' but IN THE BEGINNING he was God. He has always been God. He did not become God. He has always been God. There is no denying this scripture.
@truthoutmedia also it says in the beginning the word was with God so tell me friend how can the word be with God and at the same time be God? why did Jehovah tell Jesus to sit at his right hand IN HEAVEN if he was the Almighty Jehovah himself? I go by the bible and it clearly indicate to me that Jesus is not the Jehovah the Almighty
Brother, debating with you is like banging my head against a brick wall. I don't know whether you are just not bothering to read properly what I wrote, but I can point back to at least two occasions in our discussions that I have said that Jesus is not the father. I don't know how many more times to write this. Jesus is not the father. Jesus is not the father. John 1:1 states that the Son was with God (the father) and the Word was God. And you have not addressed my point.
No, there you go again, clearly you do not understand the trinity. God is one being manifesting himself in three persons, who are distinct from each other but unified.
In actual fact, you believe Jesus to be a true god, but Jehovah to be a true God, so you are the one who believes in more than one god, sorry.
@truthoutmedia who said Jesus is false he is the Mighty God their are many gods but to us their is only one true God Jehovah 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
@truthoutmedia as I said he is not the true God that do not mean he is a false god he is a god the Might God I am going by what the bible teaches Jesus is never refereed to as the Almighty God Jehovah
@truthoutmedia he is the Mighty God I do not know what you want me to say I told you he is not a false god he is the Mighty God like the bible says Isaiah 9:6
You said that he is not a true god. You also said that he is not a true god. There is no inbetween and you are avoiding the question. IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR FALSE GOD? It's one or the other, not neither.
@truthoutmedia I told you Jesus is a God what else do you want me to say I am going by what the bible says Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the Mighty God and that is what he is not the Almighty Jehovah
@abbyguy: When it all comes down to it, the WBTS is a dragnet just like the churches. And first century christians needed to use the bible to help then reason or think. Somehow it's a sin for WBTS to give commentary on the bible?
teflonfanatic 1 month ago
Bravo!! Excellent work!
abbyguy 1 month ago
This is pure regurgitating vomit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why dont people do their homework before they come on here spewing out sewage they dont understand. people look for ANYTHING they can to make jehovah a liar , just as the devil aserted, and they fail time after time after time after time....................and they ALWAYS will.
This was a waste of time!!!!!!! Sorry.
ruffaz24 3 months ago
@ruffaz24
Other than the video being 'pure regurgitating vomit!', what parts do you not agree with?
truthoutmedia 3 months ago 3
@ruffaz24 Wake up dude ask Christ Jesus to make His Self Known to you because it's pretty evident you see the World and Word of God thru Watchtower colored glasses time is short don't give your soul to the CORPORATION Jesus said YOU SHALL be MY WITNESSES not publishers of the Watchtower Corp. Just Look @ Russell's Grave site and no it's not in the new DVD by the WT "Out of DARKNESS" when they show a tight camera shot of the head stone so not to show THE GIANT PYRAMID monument of C.T. Russell NWO
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@ruffaz24 : Silly boy. Rather than resorting ad-homs why don't you "TRY" and reason this out with the scriptures. But I suppose that's what one does when they are cornered and CAN"T answer the question. You call people names and use bluster as if that will work...YA RIGHT! Hey news flash Jesus IS Jehovah. It's as plain as the Nose on your face. As long as you shun the truth you will be in darkness. To "see" the truth you MUST be born again the you will comprehend what was once a mystery to you.
abbyguy 1 month ago
@abbyguy So You say Jesus is God, right???Well then that means that you are saying the following: God required himself to be baptised, God approved himself as his only son, God allowed satan to tempt himself to prove his loyalty to himself, God asked himself for permission to do things, God died and then raised himself from the dead even though he was still dead, God walked around talking to himself constantly (prayer), since "no man may see God and yet live" then you are also saying that (next)
badwingduck1 3 weeks ago
@badwingduck1 all the apostles dropped dead the moment they laid eyes on him, thus making any scripture accredited to them spurious, and worse of all you are saying that God lied to us, because instead of giving up his only begotten son for us in order to be saved he gave himself up instead!!! Oh and let's not forget that God also taught himself to be obedient to himself. What a bunch of lies that can only come from a trinitarian God that has been lying to us for centuries since about the (next)
badwingduck1 3 weeks ago
@badwingduck1 4th century A.D. to be more precise. Wow!! That sounds like a pretty derelict god to me...alzheimer's perhaps??? Jesus is as the bible repeatedly states he is...God's son period. Jehovah's Witnesses worship a God that they know...Jehovah... he does not and cannot lie, and he doesn't walk around talking to himself either.
badwingduck1 3 weeks ago
@badwingduck1 : No, you are saying these things, not me. The fact that you can't wrap your head around it, doesn't make it not so.
Jesus was fully man and thus needed to be treated like and act like a man in every way, yet posses Deity in every way.
He is NOT the Father, He IS the Son, yet if you see Him you see the Father, an exact representation, equal in every way except authority.
Not that big a leap unless you are blinded by unbelief and bad doctrine.
abbyguy 3 weeks ago
@ruffaz24 but Jehovah´s Witnesses say that Jehovah is a Liar themselves. Look, they say that everything was created through the "agency" of Jesus, right? But "Jehovah" or better YHWH says: "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with MY HANDS" (isaiah 45:12) & "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth ALL ALONE" (isaiah 44:24) - so, here again WT says YHWH is a LIAR, or how wd u interpret?
HeavenClear 3 weeks ago
ALPHA AND OMEGA
These are the names of the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet and are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
@Hardz07JW
Relevance?
truthoutmedia 5 months ago
@Hardz07JW : How does that change anything? Jesus is STILL Jehovah without using Revelation 1:11 What's your point please?
abbyguy 1 month ago
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Re 22:8)
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
The final occurrence of the title is at Revelation 22:13, which states: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation; verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,” and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
@Hardz07JW Dude what is wrong with you Watch the Other vid on the KIT the watchtower is built on a foundation of LIE's, false Prophesy, and GREED and it will not stand; the NWT is the most ANTI CHRISTIAN/Christ piece of literature to be printed EVER!!!!!!
utubehound69 2 months ago
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences: Jehovah God. The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21.) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.”
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
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The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Jehovah. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God.—Compare Isa 44:6.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Jehovah. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God.—Compare Isa 44:6.
Hardz07JW 5 months ago
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first(alpha), and with the last(omega); I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. .
Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am...
...you know
PrinceWalter 7 months ago
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Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Joh 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
PrinceWalter 7 months ago
@dangermouse524 And the Society does have a long-standing tendency to misquote scholars out of context. Goodspeed also made the comment that the grammar was "regrettable". And its BEDUHN, not Debuhn...and yes, he does give some endorsement to the NWT, but also offers criticisms of it as well. But scholars who are much more recognized and qualified in their field than BeDuhn have almost unanimously labeled the NWT as an extremely biased translation.
SmokyMtnMan6593 8 months ago
@dangermouse524 Says a number of people who were at Bethel at the time. People you would call "apostates", thereby thinking their information must automatically be false. Of course, 2edgedsword makes the ridiculous assumption that "they wouldn't do that", with absolutely no knowledge at all of the qualifications of the translators. So I think my argument is more sound than his. As for my Greek and Hebrew speaking credentials...I am not translating the Bible.
SmokyMtnMan6593 8 months ago
@dangermouse524
I think you need to re-evaluate your life.
truthoutmedia 8 months ago
WHAT EILSE ARE WE TO EXPECT FROM CULT
Ni1234ck 1 year ago
Concerning healing on the Sabbath, yes, they sought occasion against Him for healing on the sabbath. He also showed them that the law was made for man, and not man for the law. Who wouldn't rescue a sheep caught in the fence on the sabbath? Isn't a man worth more than sheep? Since the sabbath was not as important as healing a man, being one of the ten commandments, what does that say about the JW position on blood transfusion to save a life?
chrisjones655 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd First of all Jesus says he is not equal to God. the pharisees were not looking at what Jesus was doing which was performing miracles. The love he showed doing this. All they saw was more of there close mindness, worrying about there own glory and self loathing. Happens alot today too, ones do not want to see the good ones are doing because it goes against what they think they all ready know. Jesus glorifying his father is not going against the sabbath. just blind pharisees
shihtzufizzers 1 year ago
Wake up people lest you find yourselves ashamed at the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. By what spirit would someone try to down play the power and Deity of the Lamb of God? The problem is, as mentioned in revelation 'the God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie because they received not the love of the truth'...therefore what God has closed, shall man open? Or what God has opened, shall man close?
chrisjones655 1 year ago
If wikipedia disagrees with watchtower doctrine, it must be the devil, ...negative media, the devil again...the history channel, yep, you guessed it, the devil again...the Internet, more devilish sources talking about this poor innocent, filthy rich watchtower. It was the devil that said Rutherford built Beth Sarim and lived there until he died...
chrisjones655 1 year ago
Dr. Julius Mantey was the oldest living koine Greek scholar. He was another subject of the watchtower's deceptive misquoting propaganda. He expresses his true finding on the NWT on a video. With the information age at hand, I expect JW membership to decline as a result of all the knowledge of this intellectually dishonest organization becoming available for all.
chrisjones655 1 year ago
@chrisjones655
amen
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd Uh, actually that is precisely what they did. The names of the 5 "translators" are now known, and only ONE of them had ANY training in the Biblical languages...2 years of Greek. This was Fred Franz, who proved on the witness stand that he could NOT translate or read Greek. And then, they used the corrupt Westcott-Hort text as their basis...a recipe for disaster.
SmokyMtnMan6593 1 year ago
@SmokyMtnMan6593 YES JW's THIS is TRUE but don't belive Smokymtnman6593 Don't belive me or the Watchtower RESEARCH the Watchtower be like the Berens and see if the things the WT are telling you are true Paul commended them so if the man who penned 2/3rd's of the New Testement said this was a good thing how are the GOV BODY above Apostle Paul?
utubehound69 2 months ago
@2edgedsw0rd
I''ll turn that around on you, you are just another sucker of the WTS. One day, you may wake up. Until then, i'll pray for you.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia: You trinitarians are so biased instead of refuting his arguments you insult him...
teflonfanatic 3 months ago
@teflonfanatic
Which arguments are these again?
truthoutmedia 3 months ago
@truthoutmedia: The "sewage" that the JW obviosuly copied and pasted from the watchtower CD
teflonfanatic 3 months ago
@teflonfanatic In rebuttal. You JW's are so biased instead of refuting an argument you insult. Neener neener neener...see...Sounds just as silly when I do it as you do when you do it.
READ THE BIBLE!!!
Put down the WBTS literature and just READ the bible. You don't need someone telling you what to think, the first century Christians didn't.
It's all there for those who really truly want the truth...and it WILL set you free.
abbyguy 1 month ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Right. Isn't it amazing how you can put such trust in a group of people - literally putting your life in their hands - and yet you have not met any of them personally, you struggle to name them off the top of your head, and you have absolutely no idea who translated their Bible. Amazing.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia
- and that is logical.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Right mate, they know what they are doing.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Well i'd be slightly concerned using a translation which has been translated by absolutely no Hebrew or Greek trained scholars, but besides that, the Septuagint rendering of this verse is in agreement with the major translations.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Which translation are you going from in regards to the Psalm text?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
I don't agree. The reason why Jesus was 'anointed with the oil of exaltation' is outlined in Phil 2:5-11. Jesus of course, as the Son of God, is a servant of his Father and has revealed his Father to us (John 1:18). The reason why the writer of Hebrews quotes from Psalm 45 is because Jesus is from the line of David and so He messianically fulfills the verse in Psalms.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Yes, it sure is God speaking from verse 5,
and verse 6
verse 7 also,
and verse 8 clearly God speaking.
The verse directly after verse 9? You mean verse 10? Where it says "He also says TO THE SON" and where Jesus is credited with creation...?
All these verses show that God the Father is speaking and from verse 8 He is addressing God the Son.
What is so unclear?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@2edgedsw0rd
Why exactly would the context 'in and around' the verse disagree with my rendering?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@sheechpaw
Well doubtless we will agree on that, the Son is subject to the Father, and the Son calls the Father God just as the Father calls the Son God in Hebrews 1:8. All of the Father's divinity dwells within the Son as shown at Colossians 2:9, so it is hard not to recognize Christ as fully God within this context.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@sheechpaw
I don't think you'll get any trinitarian to say that Jesus, as the son, is also the father.Verse 1 is stating that the Revelation (or unveiling) of Jesus was given by the Father to the Son,who in turn sent forth his angel.Jesus, as the Son,is also fully God(Col 2:9)This is why Rev 22:6 states that the Lord God (Kurios Theos)'sent his angel to show his servants things which must soon take place'.Romans 10:9 "Confess that Jesus is Kurios". God is coming quickly in the person of Christ
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
I did see someone use John 5:18 to prove God and Jesus are equal, but you are not taking into fact everything else. you can not use one scripture and disregard others. Jews wanted to kill Jesus right? They were the ones attempting to make him equal to God. Jesus answered "truly I say to you, The son can do NOTHING of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. (see John 5:19,14:28 & 10:36) Hope this helps. Even Jesus states He is not equal to God. JESUS says this, so believe him ok
shihtzufizzers 1 year ago
@shihtzufizzers
Well thats another debate. This video focuses on Jesus as the Alpha and Omega of Revelation 22:13.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
well done, documented, and presented. The flip flops of the Watchtower always reminds me of being on a ride at the amusement parks.......lol!!!
TheSnarkyApologist 1 year ago
@TheSnarkyApologist on the contrary amusement parks charge admission fee we do not.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion Not a bad deal, twice the ups and downs for free!
TheSnarkyApologist 1 year ago
i do have to say this, "these people who attack the JW's only make my faith stronger, for every accusation i find the truth behind the lies and grow stronger in faith"
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Thats not a problem. At the end of the day, I am not attacking anything. I simply quoted a Watchtower article that you said did not exist. If you want to get all defensive over it that is your pony.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia hmmm are you being indirect on the matter? where did i say it did not exist, i said that your view of the word "prophet" was incorrect
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Then please correct me as to what a 'prophet' is.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia you must have misunderstood me, in that issue of the WT ther WT is refered to as a "prophet" WITH quotation marks, and when it speaks of actual Prophets like ezekiel it says prophet WITHOUT quotation marks.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
I knew exactly what you meant. What is the difference between a "prophet" and a prophet?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia o c'mon seriously do you need drawings to understand, (i am not questioning your intelligence)did you just read the paragraph titles of that article? rererereread the article titled
*** w72 4/1 p. 197 ‘They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them’ ***
IDENTIFYING THE “PROPHET”
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
The paragraph goes on to say that the "prophet" (you still haven't told me what "prophet" means) is identified as Jehovah's Witnesses - or, more realistically, the GB.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedi E-Sword - Prophet
3. An interpreter; one that explains or communicates sentiments. Exo 7.
now reread the article thats titled, Identifying the "Prophet", pay attention to the second paragraph.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Any one being a spokesman for God to man might thus be called a prophet. Thus Enoch, Abraham, and the patriarchs, as bearers of God's message , as also Moses , are ranked among the prophets. The seventy elders of Israel (Num 11:16-29), "when the spirit rested upon them, prophesied;" Asaph and Jeduthun "prophesied with a harp" (1Ch 25:3). Miriam and Deborah were prophetesses (Exd 15:20; Jdg 4:4). The title thus has a general application to all who have messages from God to men.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
You have a very watered down interpretation of 'Prophet' and I cant help but think it is your attempt to wrestle out of the facts. If you are seriously suggesting that a prophet, in any sense of the word, if really speaking for God, would get so many things wrong regarding predictions, speculations and 'old light', then you are either at least mistaken or at most deluded.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia no that is one of the definitions of the word 'prophet' there are more...
E-Sword
Prophet
PROPH'ET, n. [L. propheta.]
1. One that foretells future events; a predicter; a foreteller.
2. In Scripture, a person illuminated, inspired or instructed by God to announce future events; as Moses, Elijah, David, Isaiah, &c.
3. An interpreter; one that explains or communicates sentiments. Exo 7.
4. One who pretends to foretell; an imposter; as a false prophet. Acts 13.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
I wonder why you chose the 3rd one only...
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia do not wonder. i have answered your questions, regarding false prophets. would you like to examine the scripures? any of the Holy Scriptures using any translation.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Which scriptures do you propose to look at?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia
care to share?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia for instance when you first read a book on X subject and you reread tht same book on subject X would it not be more understandable the second time and so on? would it not be more easy to understand bible prophecies AFTER they where fulfilled, the Bible Students before 1914 knew that date was of great significance,but did not quite fully know why, or what would occur. they had wrong expections, hey do you know who else had wrong expactations? Jesus own disciples!
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Regardless of our interpretation of what this magazine article is actually saying, wouldn't you agree that if one does not follow the teachings of the Faithful Slave (Watchtower Society / GB) then they cannot be saved?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia there will be a ressurection of righteous and unrighteous Acts 24:15, the Faithful Slave (Watchtower Society / GB) are the ones giving us spiritual food, aka Gods word,listening and taking to heart what they tell us is getting to know Jehovah, John 17:3. people who heard the truth but did not obey will not be save,those who was never preached might be saved, in the end Jehovah Through Jesus willl judge
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
I pray that your delusion will one day lead to Jesus Christ being your savior and not false prophets of the WT.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia thanks.but if i didnt think JW's was the true religion i would change
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion what reason would you offer me as to why the Watchtower booklet called "Should You Believe in the Trinity" felt it necessary to misrepresent the Early Church Fathers on page 7. Or are you unfamiliar with this fact?
TheSnarkyApologist 1 year ago
nice video. Like your site. clevlandshero very zealous is good.He be good follower of Jesus, (God in flesh Jesus)pray he come to Truth.Like to leave comment on your site,can't ,don't know why. God bless you,for showing such soul stirring Truths on your site.
twotetah 1 year ago
Jesus has two natures fully God& fully man. Calls them brothers out of the human love and compassion He has,also He is love,God is Love 1Jn4:16. Jesus loves us so much He died for us to show us how send destroys us and our lives. Loves us so much, He hurts when we hurt, feels joy when we feel joy. "we are the Body of Christ"
twotetah 1 year ago
Is9:6 Jesus called"Everlasting Father"(Jehovah). Shema:hear o israel our Lord our god our lord is one" All things are composite unity,the word one in hebrew (in shema)"echad" means composite unity. We are composite unity head,arms,legs,ect. God is of one essence,three beings,Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Jesus said He was the"I Am" Jn9:58.God has appeared like man in time before,Garden of Eden,to Abraham, ect. God became man,"nothing impossible for God"Mt19:26.
twotetah 1 year ago
why do you think he call his disciples his brothers? the same people ones who he said were gods? they are all sons of the Most High Jehovah their is only one Most High God and that is Jehovah
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me. For I have not yet ascended to the Father. But be on your way to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and YOUR Father and to my God and YOUR God.’”
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Yes, Jesus has a Father and his Father is God. I am glad you grasp this.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia so Jesus is equal to his God?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
John 20:28 "My Lord and My God"
Jesus is also God. The Son is also God. He is not the Father. He is the Son. The Son of God.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 He speaking of His position of His human nature and also His place within the Trinity,His humility..
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah so you don't believe that Jesus is the Father but yet Jehovah is the Father and the God of Jesus Christ but Jesus is still equal to him even though he have a God?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
I've explained this to you before and I don't know how many times I need to explain it to make it clearer. This makes me think either you are incapable of understanding or you are just not bothering to read what I write. Again let me say it:
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Spirit is God
God is Yahweh (Jehovah). The Father, Son and Spirit are Jehovah. They are not three Gods. They are one God. One Jehovah. Matthew 28:19 'The NAME (singular) of Father, Son, Spirit'
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia so you believe in 3 Gods form the Most High God Jehovah that is not Monotheism in its purest form Jehovah says Isaiah 42:8 “I am Jehovah. That is my name; and to no one else shall I give my own glory, neither my praise to graven images.” Jehovah say he is one Jehovah not 3 in1 Deuteronomy 6:4 can you show me in the scriptures where Jesus taught the Holy Trinity?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
You have just proven it yourself. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory WHICH I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD WAS"
Isaiah says Jehovah does not share glory with anyone. Why does Jesus here say that he shared glory with his father before the world was if Jehovah doesnt share glory with anyone but HIMSELF?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia Jesus did say that he said "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was" Jesus do not share the same Glory as Jehovah he is not equal to him .
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Thats funny because the verse plainly says Jesus shared his fathers glory...?
John 5:18 also tells us "He said God was his Father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD"
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia how do being Gods son make him equal to God? Jesus never taught his disciples that he was equal to his father never!, Jesus said it himself in a form of a question " do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?" John 10:36 Jesus never claim to be equal to his Father and God Jehovah he was trying to figure out why he was being called blasphemous
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
John 10:30 says "I am the Father are One"
Cleve, you haven't answered my question on whether Jesus is true or false, and I think we both know why. If you would have admitted that he is true, that makes Jesus the true God, and there is only one true God. I can see you are a guy with many questions, since you address every question with a question.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia if I would have said that Jesus was the True God then I would be worshiping two Gods instead of one
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
So by definition he must be false, in your opinion. Do you get it? If somebody is not true, then he is ...?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia I told you Jesus is a God that do not me he is the True God Jehovah Angles are gods do that mean that they are false gods? no
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Exactly where does it say angels are gods Cleve
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia Satan is a god 2 Corinthians 4:4 Psalms 82:6 You are gods sons of the most high
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia when Jesus told his disciples that they where gods it was not a figure of speech they are really gods but see they are not Angels though because they are Kings and Judges, Peter, Lazarus, Marry, Thomas, they are all gods Jesus little flock who Jehovah approved and gave them the Kingdom to rule with Jesus Luke 12:32 Have no fear, little flock, because YOUR Father has approved of giving YOU the kingdom.
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
Respond to this video... if Jesus was to say that he was the only true God then he would be a false God because he is not the only True God Jesus can not be called a false God because he never claimed to be the Creator Jehovah just like angels are not false gods but they are gods
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Im not asking if he is the ONLY true god, I am simply asking you, is he A true god?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia yes he is a true god
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
At last you finally answered the question. Thank you.
If scriptures say that there is only one true God and his name is Jehovah, and Jesus is a true God, does that or does it not make Jesus Jehovah?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 He of the same substance God in essence(one of His2natures,God&man)His man nature has God(the Father)but is part of God the Trinity, His position is of son. 1x1x1=1. take example the egg(poor example)egg is shell ,white& yolk,still one egg, or one flame but three torches,3 manifestations/persons ect. but same essence. He equal in His God essence (even tho He still has the role of Son) less in His Human nature(in a sence) "He was created a little lower than the angels"
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah where are you getting this God the Son and God the Spirit from? when have the bible ever refeered to Jesus as God the Son and the Holy Spirit as God the Spirit? the bible says that Jesus is the Son of God not God the Son
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Going over the same old points that have been explained to you time and time again with many scriptures. Either you have a serious retention deficit or you are purposely ignoring what people are writing. When will you answer my question Cleve. All I want is one word from you. True or False. True or False. He is either true or false.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia and I answered you I never said that he was a false God he is the Mighty God what part of that do you not understand
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 when I say that Jehovah is the only true God that means he is the only one at his position Angels are gods Jesus is the Mighty God just because they are not the one True God Jehovah dose not mean they are false gods like the bible says their are many gods
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Angels are gods? Do you have a reference for that?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia yes Satan is called god of this world 2 Corinthians 4:4
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Because you never said he is a true god.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
Respond to this video... how can you use that Math with God where in the bible dose he says 2 other Gods are equal to him? 1x1x1=1? we are talking about 3 distinct spiritual persons but yet they are one God? I thought 3 persons equals 3 persons??? I am confuse
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
You are confused? To be fair, it doesn't take much does it
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 1 esence 3 persons,composite being. these questions been answered before.3parts/persons 1 God. Michael(angel) couldn't rebuke Satan.Jesus not angel,is God,part of Tri-unity God. why does bible call man son of man?is man,son of God is God. Rutherford ( taze?)said true test of prophet is Dt.18:18,"if prophesy in My Name not come true then liar, dont listen to Him"(para.)lots false prophecies of JW leaders,JW proved false by founders&Bible. think,question&come to Jesus,God in fles
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah the bible dose not support your doctrine
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@twotetah Jw's never said they were inspired prophets Jw's never said God spoke to them or gave them visions in a dream.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
@ThirdNUnion
Actually, The Watchtower has claimed to be prophets. If you have the Watchtower library CD you can check this out for authenticity: Watchtower magazine 4/1/1972 page 197. The article was entitled "A prophet was among them", and the article presented the Watchtower as a prophet of God.
Now I guess the question you need to ask yourself is, after watching this video, 'Was this prophet RIGHT or WRONG'.
If right, this would make them true prophets, if wrong, false prophets.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia did you not see the quotations marks where ever it is made in reference to the WT? and where it is obvious that it is not there are no quotation marks.
ThirdNUnion 1 year ago
1 peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
Ephesians 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give YOU a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him;
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ,
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 He has God "the Word was God" before He was messiah,these verses speaking from His human nature viewpoint
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah the word was God even though he was with God in the beginning that is crazy, where is the holy spirit why isn't he mentioned in the beginning with Jesus and Jehovah?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 In beresheet?Genesis<"The Spirit hovered over the waters",Nt says God is Spirit,also Spiit of God & Spirit of Christ is used interchangebally
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah I can see in your bible it says the spirit of God witch basically saying Gods spirit so why dose it not say the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit? that would make it seem that the Holy Spirit was God or even a Person
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 Gods Spirit part of God part of Trinity.No more talk"the more the words, the less the meaning"Ecc6:11,questions have been answer this Truth. JW false prophecies,like great falling away in'75.JW said world was going to end,no matter what they say now(I know JW who left Jw 'cause of that) many others If founders claimed God gave them new light,and is false why follow them?just think 'bout it I hope this Seed of Truth grows and you come to know Him. no more talk,God bless you
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah can you show me a quote where the watchtower predicted that 1975 was going to be the end of the world? and also what do that have to do with Jesus not being Jehovah?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
The Watchtower magazine 8/15/1968 p.494
Under a big headline entitled "WHY ARE YOU LOOKING FORWARD TO 1975?"
Read the article. Ask your friend sheechpaw to look it up in his Watchtower library CD.
Take a look at this lapel badge from an assembly in the '70's: (type 'watchtower 1975 assembly' into google image search)
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@twotetah God is a spirit why do it says the spirit OF God when he is a spirit himself?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
Poor things, it must be so confusing for them...lol...
thundersmelody 1 year ago
great vid. Rev.1:18&Rev22:12,what a great way to show that Jesus is truely God.
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah no it was a mistake on the watchtower part that is not Jesus speaking they have corrected that in the cross references it show that it is Jehovah in that scripture not Jesus Isaiah 40:10 Look! The Sovereign Lord Jehovah himself will come even as a strong one, and his arm will be ruling for him. Look! His reward is with him, and the wage he pays is before him.
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Brother, the New World Translation is 50 years old. Those references to Jesus being the one speaking in Revelation 22:12 were taken from Watchtower magazines written much later than that. They did not 'correct' it in the cross references since the cross references predate the magazines by decades. If anything, the Watchtower magazine has corrected the New World Translation references, not the other way around.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia they did correct it we have gotten knew bible since 2003 the New World Translation being 50 years old is the more reason to say that they where wrong Jesus is not talking in Revelations 22:12 every Jehovah Witness brother will agree with me even the governing body
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Brother, do you have an older Bible somewhere? I have a New World Translation here, dated before 2003 - it says revised 1984. In Revelation 22:12, next to where it says 'I am coming quickly', there is a reference letter L which points to Isaiah 40:10. In fact I have an old 1950 green New World Translation Bible and there is a star next to verse 12 pointing back to Isaiah 40:10. So they knew about it even back in 1950. If you want me to photograph it for you, I can
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia I am going with what the bible says Isaiah 40:10 points to Jehovah not Jesus. Jesus is not Jehovah
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 if watchtower made mistake in this we're not to believe them, since top JW officials claim to have revelation direct from God,called "new light",they said end of world,God's kingdom ect was coming in 1914,'32,'75,ec. Also David,Abraham,assorted O.T. figures coming to earth,(Cali? )in '30's -'40's,WRONG. Either they liars or either God. God is not.Jesus 2 natures,God and man. Jesus&Yahweh both called Mighty God(Is9:6,10:21). Jesus is God,is Truth. Come to Him& be set free.
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah the bible itself disprove your belief that Jesus is the Almighty God Jehovah if Jesus made a distinction between him and Jehovah through out the bible one scripture is Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” and also Psalms 110:1 The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23 Jesus commanded satan to go away,even Moses couldn't do that,or Michael the archangel(Jude 9),)nly God Jesus. Jesus NOT Michael,Jesus "the same yesterday,today& forever"infinite. Same as Jehovah"who was who is & who shall be"Rv4:8, sit at right hand human nature always mystically linked& one essence with Trinity
twotetah 1 year ago
@twotetah how dose Jesus telling Satan to go away makes him Jehovah? Jesus was being tested by Satan and he told him to go away how dose that make him Jehovah? Authority was given to him by Jehovah to rule in heaven and on earth,
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@twotetah yes Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever he will always be the First and The Last the first to do and be resurrected to heaven and the last to be resurrected by Jehovah God himself
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@twotetah and your Mighty God comment Jesus was not the Mighty God until everything was subjected to him in the New Testament. any scripture you try to use to indicate that Jesus is Jehovah can be disproved the bible dose not support your beliefs
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Brother, how many times are you going to use that line "the bible does not support your beliefs". Surely you have to start backing that up.
John 1:1 says that In the BEGINNING the Word was God. Not 'when everything was subjected to him he became God' but IN THE BEGINNING he was God. He has always been God. He did not become God. He has always been God. There is no denying this scripture.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia also it says in the beginning the word was with God so tell me friend how can the word be with God and at the same time be God? why did Jehovah tell Jesus to sit at his right hand IN HEAVEN if he was the Almighty Jehovah himself? I go by the bible and it clearly indicate to me that Jesus is not the Jehovah the Almighty
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Brother, debating with you is like banging my head against a brick wall. I don't know whether you are just not bothering to read properly what I wrote, but I can point back to at least two occasions in our discussions that I have said that Jesus is not the father. I don't know how many more times to write this. Jesus is not the father. Jesus is not the father. John 1:1 states that the Son was with God (the father) and the Word was God. And you have not addressed my point.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia the Father is God! why are you keep saying that Jesus is God but not the Father if the Father is God himself Jehovah?
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
The Father IS God
the Son IS God
The Holy Spirit is God
I have not said the Father is not God!
The Word was with God (his father - God)
the Word was God
God the Son, God The Father.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia oh ok so you believe in 3 Almighty Gods
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
No, there you go again, clearly you do not understand the trinity. God is one being manifesting himself in three persons, who are distinct from each other but unified.
In actual fact, you believe Jesus to be a true god, but Jehovah to be a true God, so you are the one who believes in more than one god, sorry.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia I do not believe that Jesus is the true God only Jehovah is the most high God he alone holds this title Jesus is a god the Mighty God
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
So Jesus is false?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia who said Jesus is false he is the Mighty God their are many gods but to us their is only one true God Jehovah 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 5 For even though there are those who are called “gods,” whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
Well you said you don't believe Jesus to be true. By definition, that must mean he is false, if he is not true.
What is the opposite of true?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia as I said he is not the true God that do not mean he is a false god he is a god the Might God I am going by what the bible teaches Jesus is never refereed to as the Almighty God Jehovah
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
He is either true or false. There is no inbetween. True or false?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia he is the Mighty God I do not know what you want me to say I told you he is not a false god he is the Mighty God like the bible says Isaiah 9:6
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
You said that he is not a true god. You also said that he is not a true god. There is no inbetween and you are avoiding the question. IS JESUS A TRUE GOD OR FALSE GOD? It's one or the other, not neither.
truthoutmedia 1 year ago
@truthoutmedia I told you Jesus is a God what else do you want me to say I am going by what the bible says Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is the Mighty God and that is what he is not the Almighty Jehovah
clevelandshero23 1 year ago
@clevelandshero23
so he is a true God?
truthoutmedia 1 year ago