Protoss Tutorials: Nony's DualGate Phoenix Against Zerg p1/2

[IzzySpint]

BAD ZERG WHERE WERE THE SPORE CRAWLERS!

[ivancolesnic]

I do this build a little differently, i go 9 pylon, 12 forge, 12 assimilator, 13 assimilator, 17 pylon, 18 gate and cannons, as soon as everything is out i do cybernetics core, by that point you should have enough gas and mins to go for 3 stargates and crank out 8 phoenixes. I harass with the phoenix while i expand and make voids.

[ivancolesnic]

I do this build a little differently, i go 9 pylon, 12 forge, 12 assimilator, 13 assimilator, 17 pylon, 18 gate and cannons, as soon as everything is out i do cybernetics core, by that point you should have enough gas and mins to go for 3 stargates and crank out 8 phoenixes. I harass with the phoenix while i expand and make voids.

[Valrath823]

I'm starting to get used to this build. Works really well on zerg, esp if they try to get an early base. Build mass phoenixes, gravity beam any anti-air units and send in stalkers for clean-up. Great anti-roach rush defense too. Last game, lost only 10 units and killed 60. It's really fun sniping queens, ect. Sucks against nydas-zergling rushes

[Allenzo04]

fail wall off

[emeraldFloyd]

how do I defend against this build as zerg?

[trthorson]

@emeraldFloyd

hydras. they rape gateways units (granted not as much as people think), they're more easily massed than any other anti-air unit of zerg's, and have one of the highest DPS rates in the game - pheonixes are one of the most expensive units per-hp in the game.

[Ashadow700]

@trthorson You sure Hydras are the best? I mean, they are slow as ****, so the Phenixes can just fly away from them. I thought corropters was a lot better

[trthorson]

@Ashadow700

both work, but hydras are cheaper, hydra den takes 40 seconds to take. corrupters are slow and if they just stop making pheonixes, they've still got pheonixes to harass overlords while you've got corrupters hoping they'll get lots of colossi.

therefore i feel hydras are the better reaction. but by no means is it the "right" reaction.

[joesbagelshop]

wow this is horrible protoss, your wall is retarded

[TheSecretCobra]

The Best use for Early Phoenix in PVZ is Overlord harass. If you can kill them off you can supply Block the Zerg. Build 3 and take out the queen first using the Beam.

[nightre]

@Roashan3L you're braindamaged.

[davideocrazy]

VERRRRRYYYY NICEEE!!!!

[Roshan3L]

if zerg goes muta....you screwed

[abefroman10]

@Roshan3L a phoenix takes a muta one for one

[RAmenFSM]

@Roshan3L phoenix due more damage and have more life than mutas, have better range and are faster.

[IIbikerII]

@Roshan3L phoenix wins vs muta without any kiting

[diu7ni13579]

@Roshan3L Phoenix do extra dmg vs. mutas because they count as light units

[Papayarx]

@Roshan3L u noob

[phamnguyenquang]

@Roshan3L what kind of toss player are you???

[MsgodZ]

heostat would have won if he focused the cybercore and forced HD to run his lots out and stat ran in with his lings and forced a surround on the lots. HD had barely any ground troops and his gates were not even warped in yet.

this build isnt good pratically, hd was lucky heostat mis-microed

[cedakuruqan]

@MsgodZ in case u didn't know, he had more than enough zealots to block the whole ramp off plus the hole. in the front. so that wouldn't have worked.

[PeachMangoSmoothie]

this doesn't work against insane AI

[Sunkan86]

@PeachMangoSmoothie haha :D Well this build is good for getting an economic advantage, but since the insane AI get's an economic advantage on it's own it won't affect them at all :)

[MultiNorris]

haha probes

[JustaTestable]

@danielolivan , well I wouldn't try it against good players, because the cheapest unit of the terrans are the Space Marines, who can attack Planes. If he builds one or two bunkers and fills them with Marines or even builds a AA-Rocketlauncher(sorry forgot the real name) You can say bye bye Phoenixes!

[PacisVictus]

@JustaTestable Nawh, they're much too fast, and you can easily just avoid the static defences

[isaisai9192]

which is more powerful 32 phoenix or 32 void rays?

please help oh with 3 or 5 crusiers

[MuaBezGlave]

@isaisai9192 check it in Editor

[honsiong]

Anyway, in very very practical situation. phoenixes are only good against Zerg for supply blocking. Phoenixes are so restricted/

[wavelucas]

I think this would be bad against... a baneling bust?

[wavelucas]

@NYCArtistCollective It would sound less self-satifying if you, NYC artist Collective, were not talking about a collection of artists from new york

[kikipoz]

this doesnt work well against terran

[danielolivan]

@kikipoz Not sure if my opponent wasn't good or it was because I was fast enough, but it went pretty well. Micro well and you can even put down a rine-siege tank push.

The main point with this build, I think, is that you harass your opponent's economy to allow you to macro more. I went carrier right after and finished him off. (Bronze level though, so might not apply to other levels)

[JordanViewer]

@kikipoz no shit sherlock did anybody ever say it did ?

[kikipoz]

@JordanViewer never...

[FunnyVidsIllustrated]

1:56 to2:01

Am I the only one who can hear the perverted thing in that sentence?

[pushpoppushpop]

@FunnyVidsIllustrated lol dude

[jungleefender]

9/10  Pylon 12/18 Gateway 15/18 Assimilator 16/18 Pylon 17/18 Assimilator 18/26 Zealot 20/26 Cybernatics Core 22/26 2nd Zealot 24/26 Pylon 25/34 Stargate 25/34 Second Stargate (Simultaneous) 28/34 Phoenix 30/34 Pylon 33/34 Phoenix 36/42 Phoenix 37/42 Warpgate research 37/42 Second Gateway Don't stop producing probes and phoenixes, make 1 zealot about every 2-3 phoenix. Transition into 4-gate around 60/74. Use buildings and zealots block ramp

[zero13250]

@jungleefender you are a cool guy

i like you

[AtillaBosma]

@AtillaBosma Darn, doesnt work.

[AznShermander]

could u put the description as the build order :D

[blackfractal]

why build 4 queens instead of 2 spore crawlers? (not rhetorical) Is it possible to transition into 4gate from this build?

[PopInPhresh]

@blackfractal i dont play zerg but if i had to guess, to get a spore crawler you need the evo chamber, so if you went for that youd be spending the money on it + waiting for the build time. Then spending and waiting for the spore crawlers, in the meantime you wouldnt of had money for the queens to defend, by the time you got one or two crawlers up youd prob have no units left to do anything

[WackoJacko1193]

@PopInPhresh you will absolutely have enough money for more queens, in fact if you scout early air, pumping queens is pretty standard. queens are an excellent air defender and should be used religiously in early game (only if air is scouted, or if you suspect air, because the enemy will try to deny scouting)

[PopInPhresh]

@WackoJacko1193 i think you missread, i meant for blackfractals question on why not get spore crawlers instead, i said youd need an evo chamber so youd be spending money on it + waiting for build time.. essencially im trying to say getting them up takes time vs this fast air build, your prob better off getting more queens instead of rushing to spore crawlers, so your point and mine are the same. Queens are a solid way to go for early air defence

[WackoJacko1193]

@PopInPhresh oh youre right, i absolutely did misread, my bad, you are correct, the money should definitely go to queens, and then later spores if necessary

[WackoJacko1193]

@blackfractal no its not possible, and yes queens are the best option, i play zerg in diamond

[spikeboi55]

wait the guy talking isn't husky??

[GalenAus]

@spikeboi55 that's because it's HD..

[VGSensation]

Did this last night, awesome.

[dono4677]

@pushpoppushpop LOL. SO FUNNY THAT YOUR LAST WORDS CONTRADICTS THAT WHOLE COMMENT.

[pushpoppushpop]

@dono4677 get a joke once in a while.....

[pushpoppushpop]

i know all u pricks who need to feel important becuase no one loves u stop posting comments like "i love starcraft 2 thumbs up if u agree" like WTF just say"i love starcraft" do u really feel important if u get some thumbs up???

Thumbs up if u agree

[hanslee1000]

@ProGamingZone Actually 7 people think that this video isn't very good.

[Staticdefense]

Uh why not pick up the queens first? That what I like to do

[3v3r1n]

nice zergling portrait :D

[cykokoko]

LOL thanks Nony! with a little micro, I took out all the other guy's workers as well as his watchtower keeper lol

That guy got so raged when i took out all his workers that were building, as well as overlords. Mutas can't even hit phoenix.

THIS BUILD IS EPIC! THANKS NONY!

[FoggyFishburne]

I hate these ads...

[garoodle]

@FoggyFishburne

F5 skips them

[inurooshi]

@FoggyFishburne

it's thanks to these ads that hd makes some cash so he can continue to make the videos.

[SeventhPride]

Damn, zerg looks pretty with pink..

[TheLegendaryMoja]

I love this build! The best part is if you use this, a LOT of Zerg players will go Hydra instead of going for their spire which is what they should be doing. After you do your phoenix harass you can keep the phoenixes for scouting and to divide hydra forces(they aren't good for harassment really after the first one if ur opponent is smart) also after this go HIGH TEMPLARS and expand ASAP it will decimate the hydras. Chargelots too.

[moomoodeadcow]

The real problem is to get your phoenix out soon enough to cause real effecive arrassment with them before your zerg comes knocking at your door with mass roaches/lings.

[TheLegendaryMoja]

@moomoodeadcow If you scout the roach warren you shouldn't really be going through with the phoenixes anyway. This build is not effective against 1 base roach at all.

[moomoodeadcow]

@TheLegendaryMoja SNAP!

[acserolf546]

Lol. Thanks for the tutorial HD...really been helping me out against zerg lately. :D

[shelet4c]

idiot ! how much clicks ?

[homedogg93]

can't do it.. you'll get zergling rushed :) rahahahahahaha! gay rush tactics

[RayetWolf]

Looks too much like Command and Conquer.

[aznbrolives1]

@RayetWolf its the other way around, Starcraft being the best real time strategy of all time.

[urkomplex]

@RayetWolf C&C was released 03, starcraft 98 :P

[elzo334]

@urkomplex I thought that the first C&C came out in 95

[urkomplex]

@elzo334 hehe well it was actually in 96, red alert....but however i dont think that SC looks like C&C in any aspect only that they are same gander :P

[elzo334]

@urkomplex I don't want to make this sound like an argument, but red alert was a spin-off of C&C, the first being tiberian dawn in '95

[urkomplex]

@elzo334 actually you are right, need to get my shit sorted out :D sry! but how ever i guess SC and C&C arent that similiar :P anyhow its not even important :D

[elzo334]

@urkomplex exactly, they're BOTH awesome series'!!!

[urkomplex]

@elzo334 i agree!

[cheezandtoast]

@geckoghostg AHHH FAG MAKING LINES!!!!

[geckoghostg]

@cheezandtoast

:(

[xeqqq]

yup, 1-2 spores and your phoenix are useless. furthermore if the zerg goes for roaches you won't be able to hold your choke.

[FlyingVshredz]

@xeqqq Thats what I was thinking, this build is too risky if you ask me.

[bjhanish]

1 spore crawler and your phoenix become a complete waste of money. What do you mean "even if they scout it?" if they scout it, and aren't retarded- you can guarantee there will be crawlers near their mineral line.

[karsvg]

@bjhanish Phoenixes aren't exactly the first thing you expect from a 'stargate rush'. Also you have to have an evo chamber up which is rare at this stage of the game. At this stage a normal reaction would be more queens. I agree later on in the game he should have at least tried it. But man it's too easy to yell just some random counters when watching from the sidelines, like a guy screaming at his tv while watching soccer. Attacking with roaches when the phoenixes are up isn't the best reaction

[Lemt]

@bjhanish Even when this build tails to really hurt the zerg, it at least forces the bugs into a 1-2 base strategy, and stops them from really macroing up.

[auniversalstick]

i dont even have this game and im looking at tutorials

[rayslogin]

@auniversalstick ha same here its just that good isnt it?

[Munb]

@auniversalstick LOL :)

[Vitross]

Fail, idle probe through most of the start that just follows around another probe rather than mining...

[Darkpsycho2]

All the zergs i play also end up rushing a shit ton of hydralisks..

[russle360]

@Darkpsycho2 Use the forcefields from sentries and colossus to counter mass hydras.

[masterseagal]

Do some zerg tutorials!

[frankyd1987]

Never doe this "excuse me" again pls :D keep natural man

[tgoolsby2]

phoenix is to matrix as phoenices is to matrices.

[JonnyMosay]

5:15 + someone wrote to HD on skype :D

[gotVTECyo]

baneling bust would have ended the game

[ServerDownNow]

@cafu192 okay i'm sorry thanks for the informartion :)

[YamiPoyo]

Sc2 melts Cpu's by not caping fps.

[Sagramorbald]

@YamiPoyo not mine :)

[ObsidianZ]

@YamiPoyo GPUs

*ObZ

[unsf8518]

Nony and phoenixes are like peanut butter and jelly, fucking amazing :)

[goolick]

when he say "typical timing for the spawning pool, around 13 or 14" what does that mean? 13 or 14 what?

[promothus]

@goolick Population count. Build orders/timing is based around your population count.

[goolick]

@promothus does that mean workers should be continuously built from the start up to a certain number?

[promothus]

@goolick Yes it does. Most players who have build orders or try to give tips always note that it's important to always be building workers either way.

[xmrxkrazy]

@goolick 13-14 drone.

[Pinguin857]

the best thing woul be to build these phinixs at a little chees base

[Tris2006]

You got skype messages at 5:16 :D

[gohman123]

@mybdayis2morow Protoss really isn't really overpowered but the terrans are. The terrans have EMP but the Protoss don't have shield battery anymore. The terrans are overpowered for now in my opinion.

[TheMythicalmage]

The true strength of this build is using the Pheonixes as support/army units. The zerg makes a big push? Lift up half of his army. 

[Happypali]

I used this build in a 3vs3 and it worked!

I kept producing phoenixes until it was late game. Mid game i mass expanded and kept producing pheonix to harass since they were turtling up. During late game I switched to mass void rays to finish them off.

[UrMomEatsShitt]

hd whats ur favorite race?

[17Greco17]

@UrMomEatsShitt  its zerg

[mybdayis2morow]

@UrMomEatsShitt toss haha and i dont blame him toss is a lil overpowered but is pimping:)

[hackologue1]

@UrMomEatsShitt he loves zerg I think

[MouthofSaurons]

HD are you going for the Dark Voice portrait? lol

[aBlackCows]

LMAO... HD should turn Skype off when recording. :P

[PurexOvvnage]

what does this have over void rays

[CorvetteKillingDSM]

@PurexOvvnage Phoenix have faster movement speed

[TheMythicalmage]

@PurexOvvnage Void rays suck in an army. Pheonixes don't. Void rays kill buildings well, but not workers. Phoenixes are super fast and can cover the map, and take out any stray over lords.

[MegaQwertykey]

how do i micro?

[Trudde1337]

early roaches pwns this

[Eradarus]

@Trudde1337 obviously. No build is perfect. This is what scouting is for. If you see a warren you can easily switch over to a two robo and own them with immortals.

Its all about being flexible and quick to respond. And being good with your scouting.

[shinji2oo4]

@Trudde1337 i actually beat a 1 base (may have been 2 base) roaches with phoenixes and zlots. he did manage to hit my mineral line, but i killed all of his forces eventually withh my phoenixes.

he then transitioned into hydras so i went phoenix void and zlots. i beat him lols

[shinji2oo4]

@Trudde1337 and this was at platinum league. lol

[artman40]

It seems much better build than 3-Nexus before gate into gg which I am good at.

[sm1tty5569]

wheres a good place to find sc2 replays?

[KangMinK6]

@sm1tty5569 YouTube.

HDStarcraft and HuskyStarcraft

lawl

[deichk1nd]

@sm1tty5569 GosuGamers(dot)net

they go a lot of replays :)

@KangMinK6 i think he meant a site to download replays

[Demalaxy]

Thumbs up if you're laughing at how lazy people are by crying they'd have to load a second video, it's one click... are people that freaking lazy?

[levilee2]

/watch?v=MmPis49T3dk me trying this strat out, w/ commentary!

[CPL337]

Man I tried this build and the opponent just happened to put up 3 spore crawlers on his drone line!!! I checked the replay and he never even scouted my stargates!! talk about bad luck

[unholyfarter]

i just won 6 games in a row in silver leage with this strat lol. it works well.

[robszol]

i usually dont care about the video splits but....these 2 parts were 5 minutes each!! Be reasonable HD, if it's max 10 minutes..then just leave it as one part.

[levilee2]

@robszol his a partner, he gets paid via views, 70k views on each vid = 140k views, instead of just getting paid for 70k views. l 2 fucking not be a noob.

[barophobia]

Seriously? TWO <6min videos? For fuck's sake, HD, just make one 12min video! This is really getting stupid.

[SkylineJet]

you sound like a fuckwit

[Cassecon]

what do you think about this Starcraft 2 Blueprint?

bit. ly/9odpyj (without space)

[leduchoan]

Kick-ass strategy :D

I am wondering what if the Zerg didn't expand early (1 base build) and he went for banellings or hydra/mutas?

[dukeaddict237]

@leduchoan well i guess thts y u scout.

[AllstarHunE]

@leduchoan

hydra/mutalist build is very rare in SC2

most common build are roaches,speedlings,banelings, etc

[ClanEAGLEreplays]

if he went for something like a baneling bust would you have been left wide open?

[Legacysteve2469]

Clever, haha. Never seen this before in a ranked match personally @ platinum level.

[Spitfire727]

Does SC2 have a monthly fee?

[aSzGnx]

@Spitfire727 yea, 212 dollars per month

/s

[ASSYRIANLEGEND]

@Spitfire727 nop

[Shadyguy111]

@Spitfire727 Not for the full version. Some countries have trial versions with monthly fees.

[ack1tube]

@Spitfire727 No.

[Whiteraven77]

@Spitfire727 Nope

[ShAd0w456]

@Spitfire727 yes

[roflmattdamon]

um no offense but this build doesnt work if they go roach warrens. 2 zealots wont block off the entrance even against 3 roaches

[zingmars]

@roflmattdamon well all builds have their counters.

[wearecoolify]

i think this is a stupid question but, do you have to pay a monthly fee to play this?

[ValidlD]

@wearecoolify nope...

just buy the game... just the campain is worth the money!

[crimsonrose]

@ValidlD I think he was asking if there was a monthly fee on top of buying the game (a la WOW) for playing multiplayer.

[ixcuincle]

@wearecoolify Unlikely

[crimsonrose]

@wearecoolify No. You just buy the game then you can play online. Only MMORPGs you have to pay an extra monthly fee.

[F0RBESY]

@wearecoolify no you dont

[cartooncritic]

what map is this