@nitter89 human body is a poorly designed machine???? The only poorly designed thing I know of is your response and everyone like you. Hey go read about why our brain paralyzes our body while we in deep sleep and how. How the inner ear is designed, the different layers of our skin and their purpose. Man we'll all die and then when it's too late we can ask God to bring us back to earth so we can be good!
HAHAHAHAHA. God created pain therefore he is bad???? this is the dumbest thing I heard I am 31 years old and haven't heard anything as dumb until tonight. Pain is a blessing you silly simple man. Without pain we wouldn't know we stepped on a sharp object, or we are hungry or our arm is burning, or our foot is broken and list goes on.
The thing we'll agree on is we will die, let's have that same debate in front of God afterwards, when all of u will wish you were believing in him all along!
@cherkaslord Ask a person who suffers from intestinal cancer or trigeminal neuralgia (also known as the "suicide disease" thanks to intractable pain from damaged nerves) about the "purpose"/design of pain. When we're healthy, chronic pain and disease seem like abstractions. Spend some time in a nursing home or better yet an oncology ward and you'll soon realize that the human body is a poorly designed machine that has little regard for the emotions and sanity of it's user
"pain is a blessing"......oh, you might regret that statement one day. If anything, synthetic opiates are a blessing. They prevent more suicides than Prozac. Have any friends in the medical profession?
Notice her definition of 'God' and 'delusion'? Proving delusion, using her choice of definitions, becomes much more difficult than proving the existence of some vague supernatural deity.
hallo my name is dennis and im dutch if you listen well to this speech you will here that the people who are talkin are concidering to noting but discussing typicle people who think that they are smart or high up in the goverment talking leads to nothing action leads to progress wehter its good or bad
Isn't being conscious, and part of the universe good enough for you people? YOU WANT TO BE "SPECIAL?"
I don't need some sadistic oppressive sky daddy to make me feel special. Thanks BUT NO THANKS.
We're the universe's nervous system. How's that for special? Make your life what you want it stop leaving it up to a book, and another man's interpretations of it to run YOUR life. You people are so pathetic. This universe is too big for your imaginary friend.
@hoodmilk "Sadistic oppressive sky daddy". Who is that supposed to be? Sounds like what Richard Dawkins would like to be. But seriously, if you mean to suggest that this is God then I'm afraid you are gravely mistaken. If God exists, then he is the very reason for your being at every moment of your existence. Consequently, he cannot be something outside yourself. How then can he oppress you? Without God, you fall into non-being.
@hoo By no means is what I wrote absurd. The problem is that you atheists cannot grasp proper theology. I was critiquing your absurd suggestion that, if God exists, then he must be some kind of tyrant. Well, that might be a rather loose metaphor, but you can't take it quite literally. Why? Well, because God is not a thing- he is not one thing amongst other things. He is the reason there is something rather than nothing. Tyrants are outside you; so God cannot be a tyrant because hes not outside u
as a muslim. no body will see god in this life nor anybody can describe him. but after ur death u will find out who is the creator. also in the day of judgement everybody will find the truth.
@Goodyemani19 bECAUSE u say so? I'm going to enjoy life and live it to the fullest. You're going to live your life hating it and yearning for an afterlife that you will never experience. You deserve all the misery.
@Sivels wtfff u talking about stupid ass. i enjoy my life to the fullest and we enjoy our life better then every christian in this life. u guys have a miserable life.
@Goodyemani19 I'm not a christian you stupid fanatic fuck. You're obviously a hater, but it seems I understand the true nature of your religion better than you do. How can you say you live your life when u live in fear of an invisible dictator in the sky that knows about everything you do.
@Goodyemani19, in the Qur'an, a good part of the book deals with Who God is. It actually does describe God and I believe no other religion has a concept of God which compares to the concept of God in Islam. God's names for example are a description, so we can at least form a correct concept of God. I believe that it is people's concepts of God that either make them a believer or a non-believer. Having said that, I agree that we can not comprehend God and that actually IS our comprehension of Him
@spareaxe, if you want to believe that, then that's your choice. There can only be one true God, one Creator of everything that exists. Don't care about all the man-gods the Greeks used to worship or whatever 'gods' mankind invented. If you mean the One God, Who created the universe, then thát's what we mean with Allah.
You still don't get it do you?. . . You haven't in anyway shown how your god is different to the greek gods. . . Simply saying " there is only 1 and it's allah" is completely meaningless and does nothing but show you have a very weak argument.
I don't need to show you anything, you refuse to think it over. The fact that different peoples worshipped different gods isn't a big deal at all. Regardless of all religions, I can still think for myself and say: 'There has to be a God Who brought everything into existence.'
So I believe in one God, not a multitude of gods or mangods, I will not worship anything or anyone from the creation itself. Only the God Who created this all can be the true God and that's my understanding of God. In Islam, I find exactly this teaching, that's all. I don't need to prove anything and I'm not interested in 'debating' you
You still just don't seem to get the point. . . You keep ignoring it and repeating yourself as if that somehow answers the point made. . . Well it doesn't. . . Why not actually answer is with a big of fucking honesty. . .
Every single time, it always turns out that the religious side of the discussion always acts unbelievably dishonestly. . . it just goes to show exactly why we don't need this dark age barbaric dogma.
@manhunt48 oh I'm sorry, you must actually think I was willing to debate you or discuss something about religion with you. You seem to think that I actually care to listen to your opinions, as if they matter to me. I responded to a Muslim, then you guys come and act like it's a debate. It's not to me, you have your beliefs and I have mine and I just don't care what you have to say, I'm sorry. I'm sure you feel like you won the debate now right? lol
the definition of atheism: the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits whic then turned into dinosaurs.....yep, makes perfect sense!
Well how do you prove any god has precenedce over another? Why does Ra, Odin or Zeus not have more weight to its realism than any of the judaeo based gods? We cant prove that any of these gods dont exist becasue all the literature about them all is man made. So why Islam, and not any other faith? Humans have worshipped amny gods for thousands of years, why now is this the correct one?
@TheDesertKings .... God of Islam , Judaism and christianity is the same.....if you wanna know 'why islam?', then study it with the intention of finding the truth
Thats what I said, Judeao based menaing based upon Judaism. What im pointing out is why does this god have more truth to it than any other religon like greek gods, or viking gods, or egyptian gods, aztec gods etc. I cant prove any of these gods dont exist, does that mean they all do? There are many gods that we cant prove they dont exist. Not being able to prove that a god doesnt exist doesnt mean it does. It is up to those that believe to prove that it does.
@TheDesertKings..... if you study the concept of God in all the different religions you have mentioned , you'll realise that the concept of God in Islam is the most pure and rational, and that's how the belief in God and of God should be......what i'm trying to say is that if you understood the concept of God in Islam, you most probably wouldn't be an atheist today....
And that means what. I ask a question, I cannot prove that any of these gods dont exist, does that mean they all do? No. So where is the proof of god other than a book written by men over a thousand years ago.I use logic and reason, I use wisdom which is what Islam demands you to seek. Seek wisdom, no matter where you find it. There is no proof of god, none wahtsover. Just old legends. If Noah survived the worlds ending, did Perseus slay the Medusa? Did Orpheus turn around to see Eurydice?
All religons ahve fables, parrables and stories. Why are you right and they are wrong? Do they not feel the same as you do? God condones rape and genocide, he demanded it of his followers in ancient times, both in the Quran and the Bible. I seek wisdom, do you? Maybe you should pick up a book. Maybe you should pick up the Quran and actually read it front to abck, adn see if you can agree with every decision God has made. For god to exist, he would have to be a psychopathic killer.
I like how you said that you seek wisdom, but then resort to playing with theological texts by saying that they allow the killing and rape of people in ancient times. I suggest you actually read the Quran without preconceived notions or isolating one verse. Picking and choosing is often the fruit of one's determination to disprove Islamic morality as barbaric.
Peace. If you seek 'wisdom', might I recommend ozzycda's channel? This isn't a cheap plug just an honest recommendation.
You cant pick and choose phrases in a holy scripture. I myself pick phrases from theoloogical texts. They all have some very good lessons to learn. On the other side, there are many barbaric phrases that contradict them. So Islam, as a whole cannot be founded on peace and wisdom. The Quran is a holy book & each word must be taken equal as the next and some of the Quran is awful so what am I to do? Blindly follow a faith I know to be wrong as a whole OR choose my own path. I choose my own.
The universe exists just fine by itself. It is hilarious that you think a god that randomly had the knowledge of how to create a universe (since no one made god) and also knew how to control everything in it, would also randomly want people to mutilate their genitals and burn gay people.
@321lawc .... ok it's pretty clear that you don't even understand the concept of God, and judjing by the state of your channel, it's quite observable that you are driven by some sort of baseless and unrational hate against a belief and way of life that millions of people around the world adhere to, regarding which it is clear that you don't have any knowledge about....so please, let me be and i'll let you be, and yeah, please study Islam first before harbouring opinions regarding it
@Metsada007 .. not it isn't you MORON... most Religions are Atheist. My religion is Atheist..and i'm Native American. You need to stop being a religious jackass. it's funny how you monotheists are SCARED to question your faith... we question ours and use the good parts of it...
@bayreuth79, those are the plains Indians. The MesoAmericans were either polytheists or Atheists. The "Great Spirit" is not a god but those who believe in the Great Spirit are either atheist or deist depending on how they view themselves but they are definitely not theists seeing as the idea of a "god" comes from Europe. The ONLY monotheists that I know of are the Lenca and Cherokee...but the Cherokee probably weren't originally monotheist.
@Metsada007 Your imaginary god sure has taken a long time to prove it hasn't he. You really think telling some peasant in the desert is the best way a god could get its message across? If you do, you're a deluded moron.
@321lawc ... you think Muhammad was 'SOME PEASANT IN THE DESERT'?....."Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a religion without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
(Histaire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, vol 11, pp 276-277, Lamartine)
Look at these New Age Militant Atheist. They are foaming in the mouth so badly that they won't even let Br. Adam talk and finish his argument. What I find funny is that this is the type of irrational behavior atheists are always accusing theists of doing and now just look at them!
Oh my goodness.... God or no god doesnt change the fact we dont like the idea of millions of people being indiscrimitatly gassed to death. Objective morals come from everyone but your own self. Its pretty simple. Doesnt prove a god or no god....has nothing to do with the subject
LOL...very clever way to place the burden of proof upon the one who does not believe in the god. He has to argue two things...a) God does not exist and b) believing it is a 'delusion'. LOL
How dishonest.....simply prove your god exists and stop playing stupid games.
Do you have any real idea of theology? Us humans are TRANSIENT. God cannot be...For if he is..Then he must have a creator...
But God doesn't have a creator. He IS the creator. God isn't in this dimension...He is not bound by this temporary existence rather he is the cause of it and it's sustenance depends on HIM.
Where did you come from? Simply disprove intelligent design and intentional purpose...I CHALLENGE YOU.
YES YOU DO. Otherwise you look silly and your comments will expose you..It's a bit like walking down the street naked and not expecting anyone to point a finger...
RE: prove intelligent design...
What is intelligent? You can answer this question yourself...Or answer this:
Did the human race demand it's own existence? Did ANYTHING demand to exist?
You are putting God into the realms of his own creation..
God doesn't work that way...God has a purpose for his creation...Atheists lack any kind of purpose.
Are we transient? Yes. What about God? No. Why? Because a CREATOR has to always exist which is way beyond OUR levels of reasoning and logic. At this point, theology comes in...What does God what from us? How the heck are we to know? Which is where REVELATION comes in..
You are the one claiming to know something about a god thing. Present your evidence for it.
We are able to communicate to one another via these text messages. I presume you to be like me. So bring forth your evidence so I can examine it as you did once.
You claim God has a purpose, where is your evidence for that?
Interesting opinion you have maybe for some, but so far you have not brought forth any good reason for it. Only questions.
And I am still waiting for your evidence' for your gods existence. Are you claiming the existence of the christian god, muslims god or some other god? I guess it does not matter as yet. You seem to be refering to an 'intelligent designer' at least. So where is your evidence for that? Or do you just have mere opinion?
My definition if 'Intelligent design' would be the standard. Specified complexity.
Inother words, If I find a house on Mars, I see the House as intelligently designed not the planet Mars itself. Or if I find a painting on a tree I see the painting as intelligently designed not the tree it hangs on or the trees 'standing' next to it, nor the grass on the ground.
Intelligent would be understanding the cause and effect of things in the real world.
You have the freedom to pick and choose, you just happened to choose the religion you were most exposed to. Just like most religious people. So you see it as normal.
Anyway, whats your point?
Have you even started trying to prove the existence of your god yet?
So far you have asked "Where did it come from", and then pressumed this somehow proves your god done it.
I dont have a problem with acknowledging that rain comes without the aid of an intelligent rain bringer.
As a kid, Islam to me was monotonous!!! I didn't really learn much beyond reciting arabic...I had NO idea(honest) what I was reciting or what Islam was about until I was about 20 years old...I cCHOSE to do my own investigation.
RE: What is your point?
My point is...Do as I did. Find out about the true religion of Islam. All other faiths simply fall apart under scrutiny..
So it is as I guessed....you were indeed brought up around muslims. :)
Thanks for proving my point.
And thats what all the religious indoctornation is all about. Its what its meant to do. get you to think you made the choice yourself in later years. Just as you did.
It takes a lot of guts to see that your decisions were being made for you.
Your prophet is no match for my rational. And your religion is no match for my logic.
Naturalistic explanations have always won out over theistic ones. So much so that the religious can only stand on the side lines and drool over the success of science. face it, demons,jinn,angels,ghosts, gods, magic powers... do not exist
And you can keep trying to prove it to yourself till you die, it wont make one bit of difference in the real world
Anyone who has no real purpose in life and lives by the theory of accidental existence is IRRATIONAL and completely ILLOGIC.
RE: Naturalistic explanations have always won..
What explanations? That you have no idea why you're here??
Pfft!!!
Anything you cannot quantify is non existant according to you but you believe that you came from an inexplicable accident sometime, somewhere..?!?!?!?!
"Anyone who has no real purpose in life and lives by the theory of accidental existence is IRRATIONAL and completely ILLOGIC."..... then I suggest you stop doing it. eg, where did your god thing come from?? Did it just demand itself to exist?? Was it just a cosmic accident??
Re "Anything you cannot quantify is non existant according to you ", It looks like you just make things up as you go, and then believe them to be true. Hardly after truth now aren't ya?
HAha..... so any way, where is the evidence that your god exists?
You are not doing much of a job now are you??
Do you think asking questions and trying to insult others actually makes your god thingo more desirable and credible??
Mate, you need to grow up.
I am 38 years old, no doubt too old for your behaviour. Best you try and convince yourself that your god thing exists by hurling insults at someone much younger than I.
We dont believe something comes from nothing. It always existed in different forms= Third Law of Thermodynamics.
And YES, YES we can create life. Scientists have found that you can create life by applying electric charge to Amino Acids, which are numerous throughout the galaxy. Its possible that life was created with lightning!. The more we study and research, the more truth comes to light. Isnt science great?
So the 3rd law of thermowotsit had an idea, a vision, yes? But, it took time or billions of years for this to come into fruition? Why that long? Was it in a quandary? And...Why did it stop with ONE planet which sustains life?
You believe in this hypothetical nonsense but reject the idea of a creator which makes absolute sense...?
A creator is hypothetcal too, dont just dismiss it instantly as nonsense, that would make anyone question your intelligence in a debate or logical discussion. It didn't stop with one planet. There used to be worms living on mars, it had water as well. We just found a liquid planet outside of our solar system last month. It DID NOT stop with one: there are BILLIONS of galaxies. The odds are very slim that there would not be other intelligent life forms. The odds are in favor of alien beings
Only if you believe that 'things' simply existed for NO APPARENT reason and got smart over time....Making adjustments here and there, without a scheme, design, or a way of doing things...
That's right...'Things' were doing experiments on themselves and came up with this grand universe of only ONE planet which can sustain life...MARVELLOUS!!!
Sounds like something from science fiction...
When will all this be translated into a blockbuster??
@Rshimy "The odds are in favor of alien beings " Oh really?! how did you calculated these odds? Wait, wait...before you go on I know you'll again point to the "worms" living on Mars. First off if you read the story carefully NASA stated that they found worm-LIKE structures on a meteorite that hit Earth 13,000 years ago.
@ahmarsidd Ill tell you. This is one solar system. There are literally thousands of solar systems in the cosmos, millions of stars, and thousands of planets. We just found a planet that contains water outside of our solar system. Some, not i, but some people speculate our solar system was purpously encased in the ratiation fields to keep our primitive race from reaching the outside. I'm sure you can do the probabilities from there.
RE: It's possible life was created with lightning!
It's POSSIBLE? So ALL necessary components were present to create life in the primordial soup? And from there on in, life decided what it wanted to be...Some wanted to be cockroaches, elephants, monkeys etc...
Not straight away though...They needed to EVOLVE...And they proceeded to design themselves?
@GuruTruthSpeak Ok, i understand you now: you never gave the time to study evolutionary theory. You dont understand it, or know what it really is based on the silly assumptions you made. I should have known the second you assumed something comes from nothing. I'm done talking to you. Research and knowledge is power, friend.
LOL, you are mentally lost my friend. Im not talking to you because you know nothing about evolution, you prove it by saying stupid silly things like something comes from nothing. And that there is no apparent reason for existence, and that we just simply "got smart". Why talk to someone when they know NOTHING of what you speak about? I know all about the Bible and Quran, the least you could do is read a book on evolutionary theory and learn before making up those stupid assumptions.
@Rshimy "I know all about the Bible and Quran" Oh really?! Lets test your knowledge, shall we?!: How many Ahruf are there of Qur'an? How many Qir'aats of Qur'an? This should be easy: what are the two places that Surahs in the Qur'an are categorized and divided up into?
@Rshimy Third LoTD has nothing to do with whether things always existed or not. It simply says that as temperature of system reaches absolute zero its entropy reaches a constant. And NO, NO! we can't create life! You're just over zealous about certain speculative science from likes of Craig Venter. I seriously wish you would put down The God Delusion for a moment and critically think for yourself regarding these things.
"Secular Democracy " is actually a structure formed by religious historically, so as to stop you guys from killing and tormenting each other due to different religious beliefs.
Free from all moral obligations...To do what one wants, when and how it wants...Total freedom...
A completely secular state will be suicide for ALL of humanity.
But a religious and secular state contravenes one another...Which is why the holy(pfft!) Bible is continuously amended by each passing generation and the original and best govering law has been lost...It's found in the Quran but THAT IS EVIL!! WOOO!!
I said 'LOOK IT UP', not just pull your own subjective definition out of your ass.
'Secular' is a government that doesnt make laws and policy in favour of any particular religion, and historically has been set up by religious people, to help stop religious persecusion by THE RELIGIOUS.
Because Zeus is a God created to understand a particular quality of God. We believe Humans were deceived by Satan in the past to create idols and those idols later became associates with God.
and your 'satan' was invented to understand a particular 'quality' of humans. You have just brought into their made up story. Which is why you will never have one single shred of evidence for the existence of Satan either.
who are these damn idiots that keep speaking when the man is talking..and Y
TheFazproductions 1 month ago
@nitter89 human body is a poorly designed machine???? The only poorly designed thing I know of is your response and everyone like you. Hey go read about why our brain paralyzes our body while we in deep sleep and how. How the inner ear is designed, the different layers of our skin and their purpose. Man we'll all die and then when it's too late we can ask God to bring us back to earth so we can be good!
cherkaslord 7 months ago
HAHAHAHAHA. God created pain therefore he is bad???? this is the dumbest thing I heard I am 31 years old and haven't heard anything as dumb until tonight. Pain is a blessing you silly simple man. Without pain we wouldn't know we stepped on a sharp object, or we are hungry or our arm is burning, or our foot is broken and list goes on.
The thing we'll agree on is we will die, let's have that same debate in front of God afterwards, when all of u will wish you were believing in him all along!
cherkaslord 8 months ago
@cherkaslord did u use ur mind or emotion 4 thinking
saramelad 8 months ago
@cherkaslord Ask a person who suffers from intestinal cancer or trigeminal neuralgia (also known as the "suicide disease" thanks to intractable pain from damaged nerves) about the "purpose"/design of pain. When we're healthy, chronic pain and disease seem like abstractions. Spend some time in a nursing home or better yet an oncology ward and you'll soon realize that the human body is a poorly designed machine that has little regard for the emotions and sanity of it's user
ritter89 7 months ago
"pain is a blessing"......oh, you might regret that statement one day. If anything, synthetic opiates are a blessing. They prevent more suicides than Prozac. Have any friends in the medical profession?
ritter89 7 months ago
Keep god behind church walls. Peace
46desi 1 year ago
Notice her definition of 'God' and 'delusion'? Proving delusion, using her choice of definitions, becomes much more difficult than proving the existence of some vague supernatural deity.
LothairOfLorraine 1 year ago
Islam and Christianity will develop this world in a joint effort based on the Bible and Qur’an
jrnjames1 1 year ago
hallo my name is dennis and im dutch if you listen well to this speech you will here that the people who are talkin are concidering to noting but discussing typicle people who think that they are smart or high up in the goverment talking leads to nothing action leads to progress wehter its good or bad
dennisdux 1 year ago
dennisdux je engels sucks
XaeeD 1 year ago
Do you have the video for this rather than just audio?
Oo786oO 1 year ago
Isn't being conscious, and part of the universe good enough for you people? YOU WANT TO BE "SPECIAL?"
I don't need some sadistic oppressive sky daddy to make me feel special. Thanks BUT NO THANKS.
We're the universe's nervous system. How's that for special? Make your life what you want it stop leaving it up to a book, and another man's interpretations of it to run YOUR life. You people are so pathetic. This universe is too big for your imaginary friend.
hoodmilk 1 year ago
@hoodmilk you're the real pathetic one here for hating and attacking theists, get a life.
mikej5337 1 year ago
@mikej5337
Very witty.
hoodmilk 1 year ago
@hoodmilk "Sadistic oppressive sky daddy". Who is that supposed to be? Sounds like what Richard Dawkins would like to be. But seriously, if you mean to suggest that this is God then I'm afraid you are gravely mistaken. If God exists, then he is the very reason for your being at every moment of your existence. Consequently, he cannot be something outside yourself. How then can he oppress you? Without God, you fall into non-being.
bayreuth79 11 months ago
@bayreuth79
Absolutely absurd. Thanks for the laugh.
hoodmilk 11 months ago
@hoo By no means is what I wrote absurd. The problem is that you atheists cannot grasp proper theology. I was critiquing your absurd suggestion that, if God exists, then he must be some kind of tyrant. Well, that might be a rather loose metaphor, but you can't take it quite literally. Why? Well, because God is not a thing- he is not one thing amongst other things. He is the reason there is something rather than nothing. Tyrants are outside you; so God cannot be a tyrant because hes not outside u
bayreuth79 11 months ago
i bet i can convince any atheist here 2 islam and show u dat islam is da right religion
MegaHasoona 1 year ago
@MegaHasoona
That depends MegaHasoona, does it involve C4 and a detonator?
123backinyerface 1 year ago
@123backinyerface :lol
krishmetalz 1 year ago
@MegaHasoona i would accept torture and death before converting to islam there is no convincing me.
youngn420 1 year ago
as a muslim. no body will see god in this life nor anybody can describe him. but after ur death u will find out who is the creator. also in the day of judgement everybody will find the truth.
Goodyemani19 1 year ago
@Goodyemani19 bECAUSE u say so? I'm going to enjoy life and live it to the fullest. You're going to live your life hating it and yearning for an afterlife that you will never experience. You deserve all the misery.
Sivels 1 year ago
@Sivels wtfff u talking about stupid ass. i enjoy my life to the fullest and we enjoy our life better then every christian in this life. u guys have a miserable life.
Goodyemani19 1 year ago
@Goodyemani19 I'm not a christian you stupid fanatic fuck. You're obviously a hater, but it seems I understand the true nature of your religion better than you do. How can you say you live your life when u live in fear of an invisible dictator in the sky that knows about everything you do.
Fuck you, don't spread ur hate.
Sivels 1 year ago
@Goodyemani19, in the Qur'an, a good part of the book deals with Who God is. It actually does describe God and I believe no other religion has a concept of God which compares to the concept of God in Islam. God's names for example are a description, so we can at least form a correct concept of God. I believe that it is people's concepts of God that either make them a believer or a non-believer. Having said that, I agree that we can not comprehend God and that actually IS our comprehension of Him
XaeeD 1 year ago
@XaeeD There's all kinds of god's, Islam is just one. They're all based on non-facts just superstition.
spareaxe 1 year ago
@spareaxe, if you want to believe that, then that's your choice. There can only be one true God, one Creator of everything that exists. Don't care about all the man-gods the Greeks used to worship or whatever 'gods' mankind invented. If you mean the One God, Who created the universe, then thát's what we mean with Allah.
XaeeD 1 year ago
@XaeeD
You still don't get it do you?. . . You haven't in anyway shown how your god is different to the greek gods. . . Simply saying " there is only 1 and it's allah" is completely meaningless and does nothing but show you have a very weak argument.
manhunt48 1 year ago
I don't need to show you anything, you refuse to think it over. The fact that different peoples worshipped different gods isn't a big deal at all. Regardless of all religions, I can still think for myself and say: 'There has to be a God Who brought everything into existence.'
XaeeD 1 year ago
So I believe in one God, not a multitude of gods or mangods, I will not worship anything or anyone from the creation itself. Only the God Who created this all can be the true God and that's my understanding of God. In Islam, I find exactly this teaching, that's all. I don't need to prove anything and I'm not interested in 'debating' you
XaeeD 1 year ago
@XaeeD
You still just don't seem to get the point. . . You keep ignoring it and repeating yourself as if that somehow answers the point made. . . Well it doesn't. . . Why not actually answer is with a big of fucking honesty. . .
Every single time, it always turns out that the religious side of the discussion always acts unbelievably dishonestly. . . it just goes to show exactly why we don't need this dark age barbaric dogma.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48 oh I'm sorry, you must actually think I was willing to debate you or discuss something about religion with you. You seem to think that I actually care to listen to your opinions, as if they matter to me. I responded to a Muslim, then you guys come and act like it's a debate. It's not to me, you have your beliefs and I have mine and I just don't care what you have to say, I'm sorry. I'm sure you feel like you won the debate now right? lol
XaeeD 1 year ago
@XaeeD
Which is exactly the sort of attitude that makes you people laughable to anyone with a double digit IQ.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48, you have a double digit IQ? Really? :P I wouldn't go bragging about that dude
XaeeD 1 year ago
@XaeeD total pwnage, man. Thumbs up.
Dethonator 1 year ago
google Doe's Account, its insane.
twarks144 1 year ago
have anyone knew the description of god ?
racecoreduo 1 year ago
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RockyTeya 2 years ago
the definition of atheism: the belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self-replicating bits whic then turned into dinosaurs.....yep, makes perfect sense!
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
Well how do you prove any god has precenedce over another? Why does Ra, Odin or Zeus not have more weight to its realism than any of the judaeo based gods? We cant prove that any of these gods dont exist becasue all the literature about them all is man made. So why Islam, and not any other faith? Humans have worshipped amny gods for thousands of years, why now is this the correct one?
TheDesertKings 2 years ago
@TheDesertKings .... God of Islam , Judaism and christianity is the same.....if you wanna know 'why islam?', then study it with the intention of finding the truth
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
Thats what I said, Judeao based menaing based upon Judaism. What im pointing out is why does this god have more truth to it than any other religon like greek gods, or viking gods, or egyptian gods, aztec gods etc. I cant prove any of these gods dont exist, does that mean they all do? There are many gods that we cant prove they dont exist. Not being able to prove that a god doesnt exist doesnt mean it does. It is up to those that believe to prove that it does.
TheDesertKings 2 years ago
@TheDesertKings..... if you study the concept of God in all the different religions you have mentioned , you'll realise that the concept of God in Islam is the most pure and rational, and that's how the belief in God and of God should be......what i'm trying to say is that if you understood the concept of God in Islam, you most probably wouldn't be an atheist today....
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
lol pick up a book
ashkank2002 2 years ago
And that means what. I ask a question, I cannot prove that any of these gods dont exist, does that mean they all do? No. So where is the proof of god other than a book written by men over a thousand years ago.I use logic and reason, I use wisdom which is what Islam demands you to seek. Seek wisdom, no matter where you find it. There is no proof of god, none wahtsover. Just old legends. If Noah survived the worlds ending, did Perseus slay the Medusa? Did Orpheus turn around to see Eurydice?
TheDesertKings 2 years ago
All religons ahve fables, parrables and stories. Why are you right and they are wrong? Do they not feel the same as you do? God condones rape and genocide, he demanded it of his followers in ancient times, both in the Quran and the Bible. I seek wisdom, do you? Maybe you should pick up a book. Maybe you should pick up the Quran and actually read it front to abck, adn see if you can agree with every decision God has made. For god to exist, he would have to be a psychopathic killer.
TheDesertKings 2 years ago
@TheDesertKings
my comment was directed at wassalaam92 cause he sounded like he has never read anything on atheism.
ashkank2002 2 years ago
@ashkank2002 ......... if you can find a simpler definition of atheism than the one i gave, please share with us
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
I like how you said that you seek wisdom, but then resort to playing with theological texts by saying that they allow the killing and rape of people in ancient times. I suggest you actually read the Quran without preconceived notions or isolating one verse. Picking and choosing is often the fruit of one's determination to disprove Islamic morality as barbaric.
Peace. If you seek 'wisdom', might I recommend ozzycda's channel? This isn't a cheap plug just an honest recommendation.
ISMASHYOUBRO 2 years ago
You cant pick and choose phrases in a holy scripture. I myself pick phrases from theoloogical texts. They all have some very good lessons to learn. On the other side, there are many barbaric phrases that contradict them. So Islam, as a whole cannot be founded on peace and wisdom. The Quran is a holy book & each word must be taken equal as the next and some of the Quran is awful so what am I to do? Blindly follow a faith I know to be wrong as a whole OR choose my own path. I choose my own.
TheDesertKings 2 years ago
@Wassalaam92:
Very beautifuly defined! Makes perfect sense.
canadafast 2 years ago
There was never "nothing", the universe and existence has existed forever.
321lawc 2 years ago
@321lawc .....so why isn't it possible that God has existed forever?
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
@Wassalaam92 Why would you need a god if the universe exists forever?
321lawc 2 years ago
@321lawc ...... the universe did not exist forever, God created it.....God is outside the laws of the universe....
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
The universe exists just fine by itself. It is hilarious that you think a god that randomly had the knowledge of how to create a universe (since no one made god) and also knew how to control everything in it, would also randomly want people to mutilate their genitals and burn gay people.
321lawc 2 years ago
@321lawc .... ok it's pretty clear that you don't even understand the concept of God, and judjing by the state of your channel, it's quite observable that you are driven by some sort of baseless and unrational hate against a belief and way of life that millions of people around the world adhere to, regarding which it is clear that you don't have any knowledge about....so please, let me be and i'll let you be, and yeah, please study Islam first before harbouring opinions regarding it
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
God is a Delusion!
hazzer777 2 years ago
its funny because they are all just perspectives.
andy11215 2 years ago
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Atheism is a delusion and they will soon find it out.
Metsada007 2 years ago
@Metsada007 .. not it isn't you MORON... most Religions are Atheist. My religion is Atheist..and i'm Native American. You need to stop being a religious jackass. it's funny how you monotheists are SCARED to question your faith... we question ours and use the good parts of it...
NeCacaluXuxultic 2 years ago 6
@NeCacaluXuxultic Don't many Native Americas believe in the Great Spirit?
bayreuth79 11 months ago
@bayreuth79, those are the plains Indians. The MesoAmericans were either polytheists or Atheists. The "Great Spirit" is not a god but those who believe in the Great Spirit are either atheist or deist depending on how they view themselves but they are definitely not theists seeing as the idea of a "god" comes from Europe. The ONLY monotheists that I know of are the Lenca and Cherokee...but the Cherokee probably weren't originally monotheist.
NeCacaluXuxultic 11 months ago
@Metsada007 Your imaginary god sure has taken a long time to prove it hasn't he. You really think telling some peasant in the desert is the best way a god could get its message across? If you do, you're a deluded moron.
321lawc 2 years ago
@321lawc ... you think Muhammad was 'SOME PEASANT IN THE DESERT'?....."Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a religion without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"
(Histaire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, vol 11, pp 276-277, Lamartine)
Wassalaam92 2 years ago
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Teryn124C41 2 years ago
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Who am I?
Is there a God?
What are the natures of God, Soul and the cosmos?
What is my relationship with God and the worldly things?
What is the reason for happenings in life over which one has no control?
Such questions often arise in any philosophical system. Saiva Siddhanta gives plausible answers and explanations to them.
princegoutham 2 years ago
Look at these New Age Militant Atheist. They are foaming in the mouth so badly that they won't even let Br. Adam talk and finish his argument. What I find funny is that this is the type of irrational behavior atheists are always accusing theists of doing and now just look at them!
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
The main question is:- Is "God" a muslim or a christian?
hunga224 2 years ago
None, he is the creator of these religion. your question sounds like is the man who invented the CD Player is A CD player !!
momd84 2 years ago
RE: The main question is:- Is "God" a muslim or a christian?
How can God worship himself? What you mean to say is what is the only religion acceptable to God...
Surah 3:19 The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)...
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Oh my goodness.... God or no god doesnt change the fact we dont like the idea of millions of people being indiscrimitatly gassed to death. Objective morals come from everyone but your own self. Its pretty simple. Doesnt prove a god or no god....has nothing to do with the subject
cjunk351 2 years ago
LOL...very clever way to place the burden of proof upon the one who does not believe in the god. He has to argue two things...a) God does not exist and b) believing it is a 'delusion'. LOL
How dishonest.....simply prove your god exists and stop playing stupid games.
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: Simple prove your God exists..
Do you have any real idea of theology? Us humans are TRANSIENT. God cannot be...For if he is..Then he must have a creator...
But God doesn't have a creator. He IS the creator. God isn't in this dimension...He is not bound by this temporary existence rather he is the cause of it and it's sustenance depends on HIM.
Where did you come from? Simply disprove intelligent design and intentional purpose...I CHALLENGE YOU.
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
I dont need any knowledge whatsoever on theology to see that many gods are just simply absurd.
I dont know where we came from, and nor do I need to in order to see quite clearly that yahweh does not exist.
Simply PROVE intelligent design and you win.
You say your god does not have a creator.....prove it.
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: I don't need any knowledge in theology..
YES YOU DO. Otherwise you look silly and your comments will expose you..It's a bit like walking down the street naked and not expecting anyone to point a finger...
RE: prove intelligent design...
What is intelligent? You can answer this question yourself...Or answer this:
Did the human race demand it's own existence? Did ANYTHING demand to exist?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
I have no need for theology to not believe in your theology.
Its a bit like walking down the street naked and not believing your notions that I am dressed.
You only appear to have questions, no actual evidence to present.
So prove your god exists, or that intelligent design is reasonable.
I will admit that it appears unreasonable to suppose that something 'demanded' to exist. What does that have to do with proving your god exists?
Still waiting.
cjunk351 2 years ago
Still waiting? For what?
You are putting God into the realms of his own creation..
God doesn't work that way...God has a purpose for his creation...Atheists lack any kind of purpose.
Are we transient? Yes. What about God? No. Why? Because a CREATOR has to always exist which is way beyond OUR levels of reasoning and logic. At this point, theology comes in...What does God what from us? How the heck are we to know? Which is where REVELATION comes in..
You need to do some research...
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
You are the one claiming to know something about a god thing. Present your evidence for it.
We are able to communicate to one another via these text messages. I presume you to be like me. So bring forth your evidence so I can examine it as you did once.
You claim God has a purpose, where is your evidence for that?
Interesting opinion you have maybe for some, but so far you have not brought forth any good reason for it. Only questions.
I have done more research than you no doubt.
cjunk351 2 years ago
And I am still waiting for your evidence' for your gods existence. Are you claiming the existence of the christian god, muslims god or some other god? I guess it does not matter as yet. You seem to be refering to an 'intelligent designer' at least. So where is your evidence for that? Or do you just have mere opinion?
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: Intelligent design..
YOU can answer that!! Did you not read my last comment?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
So where is your evidence that there is intelligent design?
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: So where is your evidence of intelligent design..
First...I need YOUR definition of intelligent...
If you happen to be on the ball, then you would've answered your own qustion.
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
My definition if 'Intelligent design' would be the standard. Specified complexity.
Inother words, If I find a house on Mars, I see the House as intelligently designed not the planet Mars itself. Or if I find a painting on a tree I see the painting as intelligently designed not the tree it hangs on or the trees 'standing' next to it, nor the grass on the ground.
Intelligent would be understanding the cause and effect of things in the real world.
cjunk351 2 years ago
Your definition is based on observation of creation...Something which YOU or any of creation had NO say in...
So what is intelligent?
Don't give me silly analogies man...It's ridiculous for man to pass judgement on the real world, it's effects etc
Can you make any changes to the universe? If the sky was green instead of blue, this would be normal to you and I...
You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Most Gracious. Keep looking; do you see any flaw?
Quran 67:3
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
If the sky was green then it would be normal for me. Yes. And if you were raised to be muslim, it would appear normal to you.
Life is what it is. the universe is what it is. How does any of that have anything to do with proving your God made it all?
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: If you were raised a muslim...
Pfft! Pathetic!!! I have the freedom to pick and choose now..DON'T I? Bad argument dude...Really BAD!
RE: Life is what it is...
What is it? Did any created being have a say in any of Gods choices? NOPE!
And if it wasn't God, it created ITSELF...
Marvellous!! This is YOUR brand of logic...Keep shooting yourself in the foot.
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
You have the freedom to pick and choose, you just happened to choose the religion you were most exposed to. Just like most religious people. So you see it as normal.
Anyway, whats your point?
Have you even started trying to prove the existence of your god yet?
So far you have asked "Where did it come from", and then pressumed this somehow proves your god done it.
I dont have a problem with acknowledging that rain comes without the aid of an intelligent rain bringer.
cjunk351 2 years ago
@cjunk351
Most exposed to? Not enough actually!!
As a kid, Islam to me was monotonous!!! I didn't really learn much beyond reciting arabic...I had NO idea(honest) what I was reciting or what Islam was about until I was about 20 years old...I cCHOSE to do my own investigation.
RE: What is your point?
My point is...Do as I did. Find out about the true religion of Islam. All other faiths simply fall apart under scrutiny..
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
So it is as I guessed....you were indeed brought up around muslims. :)
Thanks for proving my point.
And thats what all the religious indoctornation is all about. Its what its meant to do. get you to think you made the choice yourself in later years. Just as you did.
It takes a lot of guts to see that your decisions were being made for you.
cjunk351 2 years ago
These Atheists are hostile even before the debate started!
MrGrandDragon 2 years ago 2
islam has already killed over 260 million non-believers in its 1400 years,religion of peace?yeah sure it is
DuckingNDiving 2 years ago
Wow, the Athiest audience members manners are really wanting. What arrogance.
thefotfoundation 2 years ago
At least we dont blow people up for thinking our views are ridiculous and primitive.
At least give us that credit.
cjunk351 2 years ago
@cjunk351
RE: Have you even started to prove God yet?
I told you...This dimension necessitates a creator as it didn't always exist...
With our dawn being the big bang, we can easily conclude that an illimitable creator determined the onset of time.
Any other way of explaining it is circular reasoning and throws up more questions than it answers...
AND YOU CANNOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS...It's IMPOSSIBLE...
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Your prophet is no match for my rational. And your religion is no match for my logic.
Naturalistic explanations have always won out over theistic ones. So much so that the religious can only stand on the side lines and drool over the success of science. face it, demons,jinn,angels,ghosts, gods, magic powers... do not exist
And you can keep trying to prove it to yourself till you die, it wont make one bit of difference in the real world
cjunk351 2 years ago
@cjunk351
Anyone who has no real purpose in life and lives by the theory of accidental existence is IRRATIONAL and completely ILLOGIC.
RE: Naturalistic explanations have always won..
What explanations? That you have no idea why you're here??
Pfft!!!
Anything you cannot quantify is non existant according to you but you believe that you came from an inexplicable accident sometime, somewhere..?!?!?!?!
How does that work?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
"Anyone who has no real purpose in life and lives by the theory of accidental existence is IRRATIONAL and completely ILLOGIC."..... then I suggest you stop doing it. eg, where did your god thing come from?? Did it just demand itself to exist?? Was it just a cosmic accident??
Re "Anything you cannot quantify is non existant according to you ", It looks like you just make things up as you go, and then believe them to be true. Hardly after truth now aren't ya?
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: Where did your God come from?
Man...You really are dense!!
You're asking me about the necessary component to our existence being created...
If this was the case, there would be multiple warring Gods...
DO YOU THINK BEFORE POSTING?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
HAha..... so any way, where is the evidence that your god exists?
You are not doing much of a job now are you??
Do you think asking questions and trying to insult others actually makes your god thingo more desirable and credible??
Mate, you need to grow up.
I am 38 years old, no doubt too old for your behaviour. Best you try and convince yourself that your god thing exists by hurling insults at someone much younger than I.
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: Where is the evidence thst God exists...
YOU...Are a great example...Unless it can be proven that life can create itself by nothing from nothing...Can something come from nothing??
Or that life willed itself into existence, but then, you'll have to prove that conscious thought was around before our existence.
38 yrs old hey?...Good for you...Now, answer me using simple logic...Otherwise, be gone, back to the state of WILLFUL IGNORANCE...
BTW...The answers to the Q's above is GOD!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Me existing is neither proof that your god exists than its proof for evolution.
Once again you are back to questions to try and prove your god.
I dont see any good reason to believe that life willed itself into existence nor did it have to.
cjunk351 2 years ago
RE: Me existing is proof of nothing...
So you are nothing? You don't exist?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
No. my existence is not proof of human origins
cjunk351 2 years ago
We dont believe something comes from nothing. It always existed in different forms= Third Law of Thermodynamics.
And YES, YES we can create life. Scientists have found that you can create life by applying electric charge to Amino Acids, which are numerous throughout the galaxy. Its possible that life was created with lightning!. The more we study and research, the more truth comes to light. Isnt science great?
Rshimy 2 years ago
RE: It always existed...
But one day it decided to go KABOOOM!!!??
So the 3rd law of thermowotsit had an idea, a vision, yes? But, it took time or billions of years for this to come into fruition? Why that long? Was it in a quandary? And...Why did it stop with ONE planet which sustains life?
You believe in this hypothetical nonsense but reject the idea of a creator which makes absolute sense...?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
A creator is hypothetcal too, dont just dismiss it instantly as nonsense, that would make anyone question your intelligence in a debate or logical discussion. It didn't stop with one planet. There used to be worms living on mars, it had water as well. We just found a liquid planet outside of our solar system last month. It DID NOT stop with one: there are BILLIONS of galaxies. The odds are very slim that there would not be other intelligent life forms. The odds are in favor of alien beings
Rshimy 2 years ago
RE: A creator is hypthetical too..
Only if you believe that 'things' simply existed for NO APPARENT reason and got smart over time....Making adjustments here and there, without a scheme, design, or a way of doing things...
That's right...'Things' were doing experiments on themselves and came up with this grand universe of only ONE planet which can sustain life...MARVELLOUS!!!
Sounds like something from science fiction...
When will all this be translated into a blockbuster??
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
@Rshimy "The odds are in favor of alien beings " Oh really?! how did you calculated these odds? Wait, wait...before you go on I know you'll again point to the "worms" living on Mars. First off if you read the story carefully NASA stated that they found worm-LIKE structures on a meteorite that hit Earth 13,000 years ago.
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
@ahmarsidd Ill tell you. This is one solar system. There are literally thousands of solar systems in the cosmos, millions of stars, and thousands of planets. We just found a planet that contains water outside of our solar system. Some, not i, but some people speculate our solar system was purpously encased in the ratiation fields to keep our primitive race from reaching the outside. I'm sure you can do the probabilities from there.
Rshimy 2 years ago
RE: animo acids...
Microbes dancing on a frikkin petri dish?
Don't make me laugh!!!
RE: It's possible life was created with lightning!
It's POSSIBLE? So ALL necessary components were present to create life in the primordial soup? And from there on in, life decided what it wanted to be...Some wanted to be cockroaches, elephants, monkeys etc...
Not straight away though...They needed to EVOLVE...And they proceeded to design themselves?
Wow...such mindless drivel you people are into.
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
@GuruTruthSpeak Ok, i understand you now: you never gave the time to study evolutionary theory. You dont understand it, or know what it really is based on the silly assumptions you made. I should have known the second you assumed something comes from nothing. I'm done talking to you. Research and knowledge is power, friend.
Rshimy 2 years ago
RE: research and knowledge..
IS INDEED POWER. You're done talking to me? That's ok...You're not the first evolutionist who can't defend their beliefs and YOU WONT BE THE LAST...
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
LOL, you are mentally lost my friend. Im not talking to you because you know nothing about evolution, you prove it by saying stupid silly things like something comes from nothing. And that there is no apparent reason for existence, and that we just simply "got smart". Why talk to someone when they know NOTHING of what you speak about? I know all about the Bible and Quran, the least you could do is read a book on evolutionary theory and learn before making up those stupid assumptions.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy "I know all about the Bible and Quran" Oh really?! Lets test your knowledge, shall we?!: How many Ahruf are there of Qur'an? How many Qir'aats of Qur'an? This should be easy: what are the two places that Surahs in the Qur'an are categorized and divided up into?
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
@Rshimy Third LoTD has nothing to do with whether things always existed or not. It simply says that as temperature of system reaches absolute zero its entropy reaches a constant. And NO, NO! we can't create life! You're just over zealous about certain speculative science from likes of Craig Venter. I seriously wish you would put down The God Delusion for a moment and critically think for yourself regarding these things.
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
@cjunk351 Do you have evidence that the external world exists?
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
Yes, and so do you. Are you having some difficulty distinguishing between fantasy and reality?
Anyway, where is the evidence that your god thing exists in the external world?
cjunk351 2 years ago
@cjunk351 "Naturalistic explanations have always won out over theistic ones." How do you know that?
ahmarsidd 2 years ago
Study, reading, questioning and listening....... its not really that difficult.
If you like you can prove me wrong by showing one supernatural explanation that was demonstrated clearly to be true.
cjunk351 2 years ago
I will ignore the arrogance and erroneous presumptions in your loaded statement.
Secular Democracy (the structure that Athiest societies form) is being forced by war (which includes blowing up) all over the world. Just look.
Hiroshima & Nagasaki are examples of Western Secular Democracies blowing up innocent civilians in the name of their particular social structure.
So try and use the rational that you so ardently claim to be in possession of before you post absurd statements.
thefotfoundation 2 years ago
"Secular Democracy " is actually a structure formed by religious historically, so as to stop you guys from killing and tormenting each other due to different religious beliefs.
Look up 'Secular'
cjunk351 2 years ago
@Cjunk..
Looked up 'secular'...
Free from all moral obligations...To do what one wants, when and how it wants...Total freedom...
A completely secular state will be suicide for ALL of humanity.
But a religious and secular state contravenes one another...Which is why the holy(pfft!) Bible is continuously amended by each passing generation and the original and best govering law has been lost...It's found in the Quran but THAT IS EVIL!! WOOO!!
Hilarious!! This world is a frikkin joke!
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
I said 'LOOK IT UP', not just pull your own subjective definition out of your ass.
'Secular' is a government that doesnt make laws and policy in favour of any particular religion, and historically has been set up by religious people, to help stop religious persecusion by THE RELIGIOUS.
cjunk351 2 years ago
@Junk...
Is my definition incorrect? WHY?
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
Your definition is incorrect. Simply look it up, it really doesnt take much effort. Look up its history.
cjunk351 2 years ago
WHY is my definition incorrect? You're telling me to look it up when you're not telling me why it's incorrect...
GuruTruthSpeak 2 years ago
tell me where its told to muslims to blow people up if they dont agree with you.
tryingtobegood1 2 years ago
Godlessness is a delusion.
Metsada007 2 years ago
You are an insulting person.
Blackwater578 2 years ago
really dude? what proof you got.
i'm sure you believe in Zues too.
you don't?
why not...
SomeLogic 2 years ago
Because its Zeus.
MarijnStevens 2 years ago
then why isn't
"because it's jesus" a valid answer?
people in the time of zeus they REALLY believed it too and no we look back and say OF COURSE we don't believe in zeus thats a silly myth
history has a way of repeating itself
SomeLogic 2 years ago
So people always believed in One God, the confrontation ALWAYS existed...
MrGrandDragon 2 years ago
Because Zeus is a God created to understand a particular quality of God. We believe Humans were deceived by Satan in the past to create idols and those idols later became associates with God.
MrGrandDragon 2 years ago
and your 'satan' was invented to understand a particular 'quality' of humans. You have just brought into their made up story. Which is why you will never have one single shred of evidence for the existence of Satan either.
cjunk351 2 years ago