@ajbren92 A quick glance at Wikipedia will show you the relatively low execution rates for Japan and Singapore in 2010: 2 and 0. I won't say that there is a direct correlation between the number of prisoners a nation kills and the level of basic humanity of its populace... the figures do suggest such a link though. Give killing a chance, killing is good for people. I'm sure the more you kill the better you will feel.
I agree, the death penalty if given a chance and done correctly will work, but it should only be done on having DNA or biological evidence, and a video taped confession, or a video linking the suspect to the crime.
Come on America! You are seriously slacking here. In 2010 you fell behind those other great freedom loving nations in killing people, China, Iran, North Korea and Yemen. You have to stop those silly appeals and silence those freedom hating socialists who keep banging on about "evidence". Liberal ideals of justice and humanity have no place in a modern democracy.
"You can measure the civilisation of a society by how it treats its prisoners." Oscar Wilde
As with any person, any state must be judged not only on how it treats it's friends but also on how it treats it's enemies. The death penalty is anachronistic barbarism.
Fucking dumb bitch u need to be executed for being a total dumbass.u are the reason why there are addicts and killers etc.your so Fucking stupid it ridiculous.
I don't believe the death penalty works as a deterrent, but it does get some pretty shitty people out of the loop. Who am I to judge? F*ck That Sh*t. I'm not religious so I can judge! There are some lowlife, scumbag, pieces of shit in the prison system who breath in good air. This is probably my only prejudice issue and I apologize to people who I may have offended. Also, let me clarify, I've not met an evil person, just lowlife, scumbag, pieces of shits who need to be our of here!
sarcasm how i love thee, while we are at it- not only does the death penalty work, it should also be implemented for every crime and felony and even minor offense. kill them all, let god sort them out.
You're right! I never thought of it that way before. I was sort of on the fence before on this issue, but you have convinced me that the death penalty is a good idea!
@connerjd Like the guy in Texas convicted of the arson killing his three kids when the fire was forensically demonstrated to be accidental, and Rick Perry covered up the findings for political expediency?
I see that, "It's not a deterrent" argument a lot. This argument tends to whiz right by a large group of people. For them, preventing future crime is not the endgame of the death penalty. It's about killing criminals. For them, when murderers die, it's a Good Thing. And it's kind of hard to argue against a basic, very emotional sense of justice like that.
@mim0sabones "it's not a deterrent" is a retarded argument, the fact there is crime means something motivated them and something wasn't a sufficient deterrent. if that means we should stop all the "failed deterrents" then the logical conclusion is to never punish, unless there's better reasons to punish.
There's no difference in homicide rates for comparable states that with and without capital punishment. Nor is there evidence that homicide rates decline or increase as states decide to reinstate or abolish the death penalty.
America has the Highest Reported Crime Rates in the occidental world and you are the only ones who have the death penalty. I know it's a satire but just to let others know.
Even with 100% certainty I would STILL be against the death penalty. There is no such thing as free will. Some become murderers because of their genes. Others because of the circumstances they grew up under, others have disorders... Given all that society should limit it's actions against murders to that which is necessary to achieve a good degree of safety and security. There is no room for hateful revenge and shit like that. Just learn to deal with your emotions folks !
@StasiaLove1 but now with dna evidence that wont happen again and killers cna go to deathrow but child rapist should be tied down to a burning shed with their testicles and a knife and they have a choice to chop off their dick and testicles or die in a fire
@Minecraft4life1000 how do they not have free will im not sure if its in this vid but i agree with her theres a lot of pedophiles who dont act on their desires
@Minecraft4life1000 so you not christian, jewish, muslim, islamic, hidu, and i'm an atheist and they all belive in free will what are you and there is evidence i was told to do my work in school and i told them no there we go free will
@buneter You're right, I am not religious (Which, by default, would make me an atheist).
"there is evidence i was told to do my work in school and i told them no there we go free will".
How does refusing to do something infer the existence of free will? How is it that you know that the cause of you being able to refuse was some sort of inner 'will' you have?
You saying that was a determined event, just like all other events.
@buneter Minecraft4life1000 is stating something much less arguable than you think. It's easy to say that there's no *evidence* that there is free will because everything you do and everything that will happen can only happen once. Free will would come from multiple timelines where a free-choice would split the timeline in two... But as I've said... everything can only happen once... in our world at least... leaving nothing to support free will. I hope you understand now.
it`s better for some not guilty people to die if this will reduce crime in society. I`m glad to pay this price just to save some victims from being murdered by some pety criminals. I would die happy on the deathrow if this would save my family from being murdered. They are heroes, like soldiers. And we should know that they died only because our technology was faulty and not intelligent enough ! But you know something ? There are bigger problems, like the societal system...
@cunuc *You* might be glad to die to save society from an actual murderer, but those who are incorrectly convicted and sentenced to death dont always have a choice. No one asks them if they *want* to die so that another potential criminal can be prevented from rotting in a jail cell. Instead they get to die, despite their innocence, and have everyone believe that they are the scum of the earth, when in reality they were just a guy that the cops decided fitted the description.
@StasiaLove1 The only reason? Honestly, I couldn't see a reason why the DP would be a good reason even if you could guarantee 100% someone was guilty. I would rather that they were forced to live with what they had done in jail.
Also, we're not denying last meals, we're denying special last meals. They'll be fed the same thing other inmates get fed that day. The reason for this, is that inmates routinely order massive amounts of food, and consume only a small percentage of what they order.
I respect your opinion; but by your logic, imprisonment doesn't work, so let's just end the practice. I've worked in the Texas prison system, and let me tell you...the death penalty isn't meant as a deterrent. It's meant as the highest and most severe punishment for the most severe crime. It does work, in that those who receive the punishment never kill anybody aver again.
I don't care if the death penalty works or not. I'm a card carrying atheist who thinks this is our one shot on earth, but if someone murders a bunch of people I want them in the fucking ground too.
@brrrdman85 Regardless of the intuitive morality of capital punishment. we still find jurisdictions employing it see more homicides than those that don't. It appears to make people committing crimes twitchy and that can't be good for crime victims.
@spiritualbully Note that encouraging something doesn't mean condoning it. In jurisdictions, where the death penalty is applied, there are more homicides. People committing crime become more likely to kill victims because the threat of apprehension activates survival instincts. This is how capital punishment encourages homicide. Imprisonment doesn't tie into survival instinct, doesn't encourage homicide, at least, as much.
@spiritualbully A reasonable assumption, its not something would at easily escape those with violent behavioural issues or criminal histories, you can bet someone is going to mention it along the path of escalation. Certainly, gang culture will provide the relevant "education". So the chances are that they all miss this one is kind of slim.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 no, it's NOT a reasonable assumption, or else people would not bring up the argument that death penalty doesn't deter, the whole point of that argument is that criminals either do not know or do not care about the punishment, especially locally. You also just assumed that all criminals are organized with training, again not the case. You sound like you know nothing about criminal psychology.
@spiritualbully "NOT a reasonable assumption" The converse of the assumption is that no one who has committed a crime has any idea whether capital punishment is applied in their state. Ho could such a thing be kept secret with media report executions, especially in Texas.
"You also just assumed that all criminals are organized with training" No, I left that silent, but those in gang life are clearly trained. Let me make it clear, of course NOT all criminals are gang bangers.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 Wrong, "not a reasonable assumption" simply means most do not, not none do. You're again assuming they all watch the news and always think about other criminals' fates.
Since you admit not all criminals are gang bangers (in fact, most are not), you should not use "they'll train" as part of your assumption.
@spiritualbully If that it is true (and I'd like to see a study supporting this). Then education in states where this is so, then education and including public information is a more tragic failure than I previously imagined. After the Texas Board of Education ID stouch it gets hard to imagine more tragic than the revision of Social studies Ciricula - ditching Thomas Jefferson for Thomas Aquinas, good grief.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I'm willing to accept criminals are failures for public education and media. But I wasn't the person making either the positive or extraordinary claim.
@spiritualbully We're get a little topic here, education is failing everyone including industry - who can't find the skilled personnel they need because Colleges are not catering the employment market. In locations highshools have zero expectation of university for their grads and don't teach in preparation for it.
@spiritualbully Please explain the extraordinariness of the claim(s) I have made. Please reread the relevant comments, just to be sure you have misread me. I only ask because when you made this criticism you also appear to be criticising an argument that I'm not making.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 Why did you bring up organized crime and training unless you were assuming it represented the norm of criminals. Again, you have NO evidence that criminals are affected by whether their actions are illegal, punishable or death penalty is something they consider. (I'm willing to consider it, but you presented none)
@spiritualbully It appears that you assumed that I assumed it was the norm. I didn't, however it is a component of experience that should not be ignored when discussing influences in criminal behaviour. I googled "capital punishment statistics" and found a paper (pdf) "Does Capital Punishment Deter Murder?" from dartmouth[dot]edu.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 here are things you assumed and admitted to assuming "but prison is less encouraging than death penalty..", then you said "its a reasonable assumption" that "criminals are familiar with their given state's death penalty policy".
@spiritualbully From the conclusion. When Canada dropped the DP their homicide rated dropped. You surprise me, wilful ignorance and blind speculation are usually the domain of theists
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 what did Canada replace their DP with? No punishment? Life in prison? Is homicide the only crime that's DP-able in Canada? Was homicide the only crime that dropped?
@spiritualbully These are good questions, if you read the paper cited, you would know some answers. Is google blocked where you live? Are IP restricted to YouTube? Were you tazered every time you demonstrated curiosity as a child?[of course i'm being facetious, only to encourage you to learn for yourself]. If you examine only what I say you might fall victim to argument from credulity, incredulity, authority or non-authority. but if you look around for yourself. (cont)
@spiritualbully To balance your learning, look for real world results from studies. national crime statistics. Look for the jurisdictions with the lowest crime rates and see what they are doing. since lower crime rates indicate better societal health and corrections systems are a component any complex society.
@spiritualbully Don't be afraid of learning, it can be fun and great things can come of it. An American teen started reading post-graduate level dissertations in biochemistry. recently she she developed a candidate drug for treating cancer shown to work in mice. This is a brilliant effort since she has not graduated high school yet. Even better, if her approach to cancer works for people..
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 can you prove that without prisons, crimes would drop even more? Wouldn't that be nice? Are 3rd world countries without DP even lower in homicide rates? Just asking.
@spiritualbully "...without prisons" only if we can find a society that successfully operates with out prisons, so no. "nice?" yeah it would. "3d world" try not to compare third world apples with first world oranges. What appears to been important about prisons is how they are are run. along the spectrum of punishment vs rehab, jurisdictions using rehab see less crime. compare USA & Europe. Europeans work to avoid captivity induced psychosis, while Americans ....
@spiritualbully Only if you don't apply an observable verifiable measure to it. US homicides per 100,000 capital=4.8, Canada=1.62. You can say any you want but smart people check the figures. Crime rate are effected by general social health and the influence of the criminal justice system. What ever the US is doing either area this is a clear demonstration that they are not more successful than Canada at reducing homicide. wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 if I understand you correctly, are you saying DP causes more homicide? if so, just what would stop you from concluding that abolishing prisons will decrease all crimes, and you never answered my question, is homicide the only DP-able crime?
@spiritualbully "DP => more homicide?" AFAICT this is so, DP advocates hates this. "what prevents" that would be a lack of evidence. And not all prisons are created equall. Some may be described as "Crime U" providing better educated (informally in criminal methods; and formally GEDs, Diplomas etc) psychologically damaged people who are under supported while re-entering society. Rehabilitation and support works much better at reducing recidivist crime than punishment.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 glad we agree not all prisons are created equal. and I agree what prevents is a lack of evidence. I'll ask you again, is homicide the only DP-able crime? If not, isnt it dishonest to look at only homicide when talking about DP?
@spiritualbully DP can be applied to any crime politicians see fit to apply to apply it to. In various jurisdictions it applies to adultery, sorcery, treason, offering descenting political opinion. The real question should be applied. and there are huge problems that remain unaddressed. Guilty cannot be established reliably. Of 289 Illinois death row inmates 6% were later found innocent by 2004. (contd)
@spiritualbully DP is **mostly**(& in the US almost entirely) applied to homicide cases. There are only a very few cases of treason where DP is at least not a deterent because treason tends to be ideologically driven or unwitting. Other applications I mentioned could not reasonably be described as real crime. The major justifications of DP are boil down to vengeance and deterrence, neither are demonstrated to lead to less homicidal populations in practice.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I never advocated any punishment for deterrence , and yes, I admit its for vengeance & retribution. Also, with automatic appeals and long waiting times for execution, you can't honesty say that's either efficient exercise or deterrence.
@spiritualbully I don't get why you think its "dishonest" to omit a small minority of cases not demonstrated to be part of larger dynamic with a vastly bigger effected population. Maybe 10 treasons in a decade vs roughly 14400 homicides per annum
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 fact check this for me, is Singapore the lowest crime rate, with also the highest incarceration and harsh DP, even for drugs? Why is that? is it because they are small, homogeneous racially, and high IQ? Is there any reason they can't be compared to Canada?
@spiritualbully I looked for comparable per house hold income figures, but from GDP numbers suggest a wealthier population. Economic prosperity is strongly negatively correlated.
@spiritualbully Between 2000 to 2009 Iceland has lower homicide rate as often as not and some times none. An aggregate for Iceland and Singapore over the decade give 6.55 and 5.45 respectively. Per capita GDP shows Singapore about 50% more economically successful than Canada. Prosperity and crime are strongly negatively correlated.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 aha! so by this logic, Canada and US can no longer be compared as apples and apples, because we have another factor you didn't consider, prosperity. BTW, prosperity isnt always objectively defined, but if you are really talking about GDP/PPP or wealth, fine.
@spiritualbully Canada and USA are closer in terms of GDP/PPP with USA about 20% higher. Simple country by country comparison can be difficult to interpret accurately and when you do A single statistic can only be suggestive. In general countries with DP have higher HR. There are many contributing factor including religiosity(+), social supprt(-), Prosperity(-), ethic mix(+). all lead to difficulties in single country by country comparison in identifying DP deterrence. (contd)
@spiritualbully Pt2. More important perhaps is what happens when DP is introduced or abolished. when Canada abolish PD, homicide fell 25% by 1997. In general countries without DP have lower homicide rates than those with DP. May may be down to each populations willingness to kill, in general. In some countries an exploding bus full of commuters is page 14 news - regard for life isn't high there.
@spiritualbully You'll notice that when I compared USA & CAN I was talking about the general effectiveness of the two societies to with regard to homicide. not the specific contribution of DP. The contribution by DP is demonstrated when Canada dropped the DP and HR fell.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 in order to compare "general effectiveness of 2 societies" you must assume they are comparable, and I contest that. They are not, whether by wealth, immigration, ethnic population, population growth, drug use or other crime rates, there are nothing alike.
@spiritualbully Perhaps if look at the effect of a single factor (like DP) between them but you notice of you look back I did attempt to do that. Developed nations having gun toting, highly religious population and high levels of individual freedom to be compared to USA are perhaps hard to come by. Requiring such a comparison may be disingenuous. DP sends a clear message to all "killing can be justified" (contd)
@spiritualbully (Pt2) and its a bad idea when the state does it, when a guy in a bar fight does it, when a car jacker does it, when an impatient heir does it, when a jealous husband does it. Even news reports of executions reinforces this message. If killing can be justified a person is more likely to do it, and exampling(by executions) increases the risk. Humans are more often irrational creatures than we like to admit. DP is an intuitive/instinctual response (Contd)
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I admit DP is an emotional response, and I admit DP is very wasteful the way US is doing it, I'm in favor of repealing appeals and quick executions
@spiritualbully (pt3) that like many of our intuitions and instincts are absolutely wrong in terms of getting the best result, in this case fewer homicides. DP is a solution that feels good because it matches our instincts, but I have not seen a demonstration that it makes societies safer. While 70% of people may prefer DP, I'm wary of argumentum ad numerum, that people are influence by instinct, the rantings of Pro DP Lobby & information primacy.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 DP makes society safer from the person executed, at a cost lower than imprisonment, except in the US where there's automatic appeals wasting money dragging out the case. I don't think 70% favor DP, I wish that were true, I really do.
@spiritualbully If you read the Illinois, piece you would have discovered that for every execution 9.5 DP sentences were reversed because the convictions were unsafe. Actually USA imprisonment rate is one of the highest in world. "safe from executed" sure, but at much greater risk from those "trained" to justify their homicidal behaviour, which out ways the effect you're citing.
@spiritualbully I'm not sure of 70% figure myself A previous DP proponent used it. An you that I qualified it with "may". Two out of three countries have abandoned DP. and those that hold on to it are reducing it application. The consensus is DP has not place in civilized society. You like this the idea of life imprisonment is scarier than DP, even crueller. so if your look for deterrent effect there it is. As for cost USA has solved that - prison labour for profit.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 if you want to go by consensus of civilized countries, there's plenty of things the US is doing wrong, one of which is allowing immigrants to come and not forcing them to learn the official language, or placating to people complaining about it where most countries wouldn't even consider letting them in. I'm not sure what you meant by " You like this the idea of life imprisonment is scarier than DP", because I don't believe it is. I believe DP is worst
@spiritualbully I've seen arguments made the US for profit corrections systems have become like "work houses". With many people in for victimless less crime. The US has a higher per capita prison prison population than china. Fuelled by the "war on drugs". Countries that treat addiction as a public health issue have fewer addicts and much less drug related crime. The evidence offers counter-intuitive solutions which that politicians and voters often fail to grasp. (continued)
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 does the US deny addiction is a public health issue? I'm generally not for decriminalization or legalization unless it either saves money or doesn't encourage more use. There's no shortage of propaganda scaring kids about drugs, if that's not enough for them, why should I care if they're in prison?
@spiritualbully "does the US deny" No, but it does use counter productive measures to address the issue.
Good news is decriminalisation takes away that natural curiosity for the forbidden meaning fewer new entrants into the drug market, and it takes away the profit so pushers are regulated or out of business. A shit load of money is saved in enforcement and corrections and general crime is reduced as fewer addicts need less money to fund their addiction. (contd)
@spiritualbully Pt2. Regulation keeps "pusher" way from teens. Typically the laws require the consumer to be over 18. And since the price is not distorted upwards by the legal admonition, it becomes a undesirable risk/reward ratio.
@spiritualbully Pt2. Decriminalised means you can make the drug business unprofitable for Why pay $50 and risk arrest when you can $20 safely from a licensed dealer. also you could have the option of regulating the industry and promoting rehabilitation.
@spiritualbully Pt2. You know these immensely ignorant comments you're making are pretty good at getting me to find stuff that demonstrates how completely absurd they become with a little digging for evidence. You should try looking for evidence, not for a position but to answers questions to see where the evidence leads you. Try taking a position because you "like" it (appeal to emotion). Take a position compelled by the evidence alone.
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I do try to look at evidence, but most arguments I've heard about death penalty are very selective at how they view evidence, so I don't automatically take it at face value. the easy example is that they compare homicide rates and death penalty, this is completely meaningless unless you assume only homicides are DP-able, and all homicides are equal even.
@spiritualbully Pt3 find a sceptics group they can help you learn about the prat-falls of fallacious argument - it is also worth googling fallacious argument. Knowing about fallacious can help you avoid looking like a complete douche.
@spiritualbully ... complain about inmates doing time in country club facilities. The main goal around imprisonment avoid re-offending. Offending can't by avoided entirely. various biological factors and social dysfunctions can't be easily solved. Most often, by the time an offender has earned stir, a number of opportunities have been missed to avoid risk factors that precipitated his offence.
@spiritualbully Lastly, it is good to ask. it precipitates learning. You have got plenty do. Checkout AntiCitizenX's "Psychology of Belief" series. It will help avoid common mistakes made while dealing with new information. Try not to waste time with Jersey Shore et al - its a distraction from reality and if don't watch what is really going on, you'll be shocked to discover what can be stolen from you.
The only real arguments against the death penalty is financial, if you were to introduce a higher burden of proof to allow the death penalty than is required for a conviction. As an atheist who believes that good actions are the ones which benefit society, any moral argument that someone who committed murder is better off left breathing is not all that convincing. If you kill someone, and you are connected by DNA and other irrefutable proof, society is better of with you not wasting resources.
fuckin bitch I didn't even watch your dumb video because the death penalty DOES NOT i repeat DOES NOT WORK. YOU ARE A DUMB BITCH. SHUT THE FUCK UP. GO BE IN THE KITCHEN.
@OneSixBillionth You realize she is being sarcastic, no non-texan would ever say "the great state of Texas" unless they were being sarcastic, let alone compliment Rick Perry
Let me get this straight.. In this video you are complaining about how Texas is treating its inmates badly? So you are asking for better treatment for thieves, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and all types of criminals? Do you have a relative or someone in prison? Because the families of the people who were hurt/murdered by those people want them dead, and they feel justice is not served. However, you disagree and you believe they are being treated in a barbaric way? BRAIN > EMOTION PLEASE
@StasiaLove1 that's the only reason? there are a million reasons to be against the voluntary murder of another human being. Be it a penalty, or the crime that you wish to punish.
@healthyaddict Agreed. If this Rick Perry guy ever becomes your president it would leave most of the world looking back on George W Bush's term with a wistful nostalgia. Besides history is full of people who were wrongly convicted and one person wrongly put to death is one person too many. It is a lot easier to apologize to, and compensate, someone wrongly imprisoned than someone wrongly executed.
@Met0llicA They don't always have evidence. Texans just like to see people killed. There have been innocent people put on death row. "When we kill the innocent, it makes murderers of us all."
IMHO I think trying to give Casey Anthony the death penalty probably helped her get a "not guilty" verdict. I mean, were we really about to give someone the needle for a crime that we couldn't prove she did? Despite whether or not you think she did it.
The death penalty is 100% effective against recidivism. More importantly (in my mind) it puts selective pressure against some of humanities more barbaric alleles. The only argument against it as far as I can see is that we can't be 100% sure whether or not most people on death row are really guilty.
There are some criminals who keep their mouth shut about why they did what they did. The least effective answer to the "why" question [in many cases, the most important for the victim's family] is to kill them before they spill the beans.
Life in prison makes these kind of people eventually come to terms with their crime and say honestly why they think they did what they did. Give them that opportunity ...
I bet that if you look back in history when the death penalty was implemented quickly and rather consistently you'll find that it was a much better deterrent than it is today, where it's a super-long, drawn out process. So just because it's not working the way we're doing it now doesn't mean that it can't work, only that it doesn't work this way. Just like the Soviet Union's failure doesn't prove that socialism can't work, only that it doesn't work if done in that particular way.
@kane148 Umm, the homicide rates are much lower in countries that don't have the death penalty. The U.K. for example, Similar to the US but the rate is 0-2 Per 100,000 compared to the 10-15 of Texas where the penalty is strictly enforced.
If you are being sarcastic in this video then i completely agree with you, I mean c'mon why terminate the lives of serious offenders when you can just feed them for 20 years while you wait for them to die naturally :)
I don't suppose, because people continue to drive 90 in school zones, that we should cease issuing stiff fines? Or because there are still tons of shoplifters, we should just throw our hands up, and let them do it, because--let's face it--our punishment for that kind of behavior doesn't work.? Granted, our Texas justice system needs reform. Mandatory DNA testing, and anal emphasis on certainty, but doing away with the death penalty? Tell it to the guy who chainsaw butchered a toddler.
Death penalty isn't a deterant for crime, it saves money. Then you can take that money and give it to people who can use it. If they deffinatly did the crime, and the evidence shows 100%. YAAY DNA. Then let's save some cash, rid of these losers, and spend that cash on ooo I dunno, the health care and social policies you guys need. Unless of course you think after some dude mutilates a woman and her kids after raping them, they are still human beings who can be magically cured.
a single bullet only costs like $0.25 They could just shoot the people and be done with it. No need to pay guard salaries while starvation takes effect.
No. You can't be absolutely sure in all cases that you've got the right person. If you find out you've got it wrong, and the innoent person is in prison, you can let them out. If you've killed them you can't bring them back to life.
@ajbren92 A quick glance at Wikipedia will show you the relatively low execution rates for Japan and Singapore in 2010: 2 and 0. I won't say that there is a direct correlation between the number of prisoners a nation kills and the level of basic humanity of its populace... the figures do suggest such a link though. Give killing a chance, killing is good for people. I'm sure the more you kill the better you will feel.
TheJrr71 3 days ago
I agree, the death penalty if given a chance and done correctly will work, but it should only be done on having DNA or biological evidence, and a video taped confession, or a video linking the suspect to the crime.
ajbren92 3 days ago
@TheeCoolOne Put them in prison.
TheJrr71 5 days ago
what should we do with the convicted killers and serial rapists?
(i think pedophiles should be castrated)
TheeCoolOne 1 week ago
I love your sarcasm... reminds me of myself xD I laughed hard at your "Go, Texas, so proud to be an American right now!" :D
Faerlon123 1 week ago
yeah!!! it works!
millwrght4ever 1 week ago
Come on America! You are seriously slacking here. In 2010 you fell behind those other great freedom loving nations in killing people, China, Iran, North Korea and Yemen. You have to stop those silly appeals and silence those freedom hating socialists who keep banging on about "evidence". Liberal ideals of justice and humanity have no place in a modern democracy.
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Japan and Singapore use the death penalty and they are one of the safest countries in the world, not to mention being highly civilized.
ajbren92 3 days ago
if a creep deserves it then a creep should DIE
ILoveMJ5820 1 month ago
For some reason, I don't quite believe you in this video. :)
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If you molest children you need to die.. end of debate.
B4ssDr0p 1 month ago
@B4ssDr0p liberals want child molesters, rapists and murderers to live, at your expense.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
Why the fuck are you in the woods? LOL
B4ssDr0p 1 month ago
"You can measure the civilisation of a society by how it treats its prisoners." Oscar Wilde
As with any person, any state must be judged not only on how it treats it's friends but also on how it treats it's enemies. The death penalty is anachronistic barbarism.
bartosinc 1 month ago
Fuck u assholes,other ways to be sarcastic,
SuperGeorge911 1 month ago
You do realize she was being sarcastic?
VDeath10 1 month ago
Fucking dumb bitch u need to be executed for being a total dumbass.u are the reason why there are addicts and killers etc.your so Fucking stupid it ridiculous.
SuperGeorge911 1 month ago
@SuperGeorge911 She was being sarcastic. Now who's "so fucking stupid it ridiculous"?
VannahWilson 1 month ago
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85Funkadelic 1 month ago
I don't believe the death penalty works as a deterrent, but it does get some pretty shitty people out of the loop. Who am I to judge? F*ck That Sh*t. I'm not religious so I can judge! There are some lowlife, scumbag, pieces of shit in the prison system who breath in good air. This is probably my only prejudice issue and I apologize to people who I may have offended. Also, let me clarify, I've not met an evil person, just lowlife, scumbag, pieces of shits who need to be our of here!
LilaDeGr8 2 months ago
sarcasm how i love thee, while we are at it- not only does the death penalty work, it should also be implemented for every crime and felony and even minor offense. kill them all, let god sort them out.
aednil 2 months ago
Just long 'til we Poe's law demonstrated for this one?
EmmittBrownBTTF1 2 months ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 Apparently a month.
VannahWilson 1 month ago
You're right! I never thought of it that way before. I was sort of on the fence before on this issue, but you have convinced me that the death penalty is a good idea!
CMO999 2 months ago
I don't agree that all murderers should get the death penalty.
connerjd 3 months ago
@connerjd Like the guy in Texas convicted of the arson killing his three kids when the fire was forensically demonstrated to be accidental, and Rick Perry covered up the findings for political expediency?
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
most pedos that go to prison get killed by the inmates anyway.
shishiromura 3 months ago
@RockinthaUSA It is not a deterrent, it is in fact a reward. If I murdered someone, I would rather die then spend my life in prison.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
sarcasm and all of its beauty
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Wooow! Kill em all!!!!!!!!!! KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL,kill, kill,, kill, kill, kill
hfe22 3 months ago
I see that, "It's not a deterrent" argument a lot. This argument tends to whiz right by a large group of people. For them, preventing future crime is not the endgame of the death penalty. It's about killing criminals. For them, when murderers die, it's a Good Thing. And it's kind of hard to argue against a basic, very emotional sense of justice like that.
mim0sabones 3 months ago
@mim0sabones "it's not a deterrent" is a retarded argument, the fact there is crime means something motivated them and something wasn't a sufficient deterrent. if that means we should stop all the "failed deterrents" then the logical conclusion is to never punish, unless there's better reasons to punish.
spiritualbully 3 months ago
@spiritualbully Well, I agree that people should never be punished.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
wow for a second there u had me lol.
Emircat 3 months ago
@Emircat see mine, I am not kidding when I say I am for DP
spiritualbully 3 months ago
The problem with satire, such as this, is that 90% of the Fundies will think you're serious...LOL
AtheistToothFairy 3 months ago
@AtheistToothFairy my videos on death penalty are serious
spiritualbully 3 months ago
I hate satire.
BringBRToTheUK 4 months ago
@BringBRToTheUK my videos supporting death penalty are not satire, enjoy.
spiritualbully 3 months ago
I agree the death penalty does work. In that people executed, do in fact die.
IreapsI 4 months ago 28
@IreapsI
There's no difference in homicide rates for comparable states that with and without capital punishment. Nor is there evidence that homicide rates decline or increase as states decide to reinstate or abolish the death penalty.
America has the Highest Reported Crime Rates in the occidental world and you are the only ones who have the death penalty. I know it's a satire but just to let others know.
alexandreleverrier 2 months ago
Even with 100% certainty I would STILL be against the death penalty. There is no such thing as free will. Some become murderers because of their genes. Others because of the circumstances they grew up under, others have disorders... Given all that society should limit it's actions against murders to that which is necessary to achieve a good degree of safety and security. There is no room for hateful revenge and shit like that. Just learn to deal with your emotions folks !
MoralityIsAReligion 4 months ago
@StasiaLove1 but now with dna evidence that wont happen again and killers cna go to deathrow but child rapist should be tied down to a burning shed with their testicles and a knife and they have a choice to chop off their dick and testicles or die in a fire
buneter 4 months ago
@buneter Why're you being so cruel to paedophiles? They don't even have free will, so I don't see how punishing people helps.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 how do they not have free will im not sure if its in this vid but i agree with her theres a lot of pedophiles who dont act on their desires
buneter 3 months ago
@buneter There is no evidence supporting free-will.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 so you not christian, jewish, muslim, islamic, hidu, and i'm an atheist and they all belive in free will what are you and there is evidence i was told to do my work in school and i told them no there we go free will
buneter 3 months ago
@buneter You're right, I am not religious (Which, by default, would make me an atheist).
"there is evidence i was told to do my work in school and i told them no there we go free will".
How does refusing to do something infer the existence of free will? How is it that you know that the cause of you being able to refuse was some sort of inner 'will' you have?
You saying that was a determined event, just like all other events.
Perhaps you should study a little more.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@Minecraft4life1000 no im saying its not a dertemined event you are
buneter 3 months ago
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@buneter You mis-understood what I said. You saying what you said, was a determined event.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@buneter Minecraft4life1000 is stating something much less arguable than you think. It's easy to say that there's no *evidence* that there is free will because everything you do and everything that will happen can only happen once. Free will would come from multiple timelines where a free-choice would split the timeline in two... But as I've said... everything can only happen once... in our world at least... leaving nothing to support free will. I hope you understand now.
Blaizerazer 2 months ago
it`s better for some not guilty people to die if this will reduce crime in society. I`m glad to pay this price just to save some victims from being murdered by some pety criminals. I would die happy on the deathrow if this would save my family from being murdered. They are heroes, like soldiers. And we should know that they died only because our technology was faulty and not intelligent enough ! But you know something ? There are bigger problems, like the societal system...
cunuc 4 months ago
@cunuc *You* might be glad to die to save society from an actual murderer, but those who are incorrectly convicted and sentenced to death dont always have a choice. No one asks them if they *want* to die so that another potential criminal can be prevented from rotting in a jail cell. Instead they get to die, despite their innocence, and have everyone believe that they are the scum of the earth, when in reality they were just a guy that the cops decided fitted the description.
purgurl91 3 months ago
@purgurl91 True. Not everyone is a hero. This is really a tech problem. We should get better tech for our forensics.
cunuc 3 months ago
I love all the people in the comments who think she's serious and they're like: "Yeah, I agree!"
Minecraft4life1000 4 months ago
@StasiaLove1 The only reason? Honestly, I couldn't see a reason why the DP would be a good reason even if you could guarantee 100% someone was guilty. I would rather that they were forced to live with what they had done in jail.
MortuusBene 4 months ago
Yeah, I agree. We shouldn't waste money feeding people on death row. We can use that money somewhere else.
bigbaddeerhunter 4 months ago
I guessed that you were joking when you said "the death penalty is such a great deterrent."
ApostateOfTheDamned 4 months ago
Also, we're not denying last meals, we're denying special last meals. They'll be fed the same thing other inmates get fed that day. The reason for this, is that inmates routinely order massive amounts of food, and consume only a small percentage of what they order.
RoGueNavy 4 months ago
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RoGueNavy 4 months ago
I respect your opinion; but by your logic, imprisonment doesn't work, so let's just end the practice. I've worked in the Texas prison system, and let me tell you...the death penalty isn't meant as a deterrent. It's meant as the highest and most severe punishment for the most severe crime. It does work, in that those who receive the punishment never kill anybody aver again.
RoGueNavy 4 months ago
I don't care if the death penalty works or not. I'm a card carrying atheist who thinks this is our one shot on earth, but if someone murders a bunch of people I want them in the fucking ground too.
brrrdman85 4 months ago 3
@brrrdman85 Regardless of the intuitive morality of capital punishment. we still find jurisdictions employing it see more homicides than those that don't. It appears to make people committing crimes twitchy and that can't be good for crime victims.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
prison doesnt deter either, so we shouldn't have prisons.
spiritualbully 4 months ago 6
@spiritualbully prisons should be about rehabilitation, then it does work. But you would have to look at other countries to see that.
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@spiritualbully I agree!
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
@spiritualbully True, but prison is less encouraging than death penalty..
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 how is that?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Note that encouraging something doesn't mean condoning it. In jurisdictions, where the death penalty is applied, there are more homicides. People committing crime become more likely to kill victims because the threat of apprehension activates survival instincts. This is how capital punishment encourages homicide. Imprisonment doesn't tie into survival instinct, doesn't encourage homicide, at least, as much.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 you are assuming murderers in every state are familiar with their capital punishment policy.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully A reasonable assumption, its not something would at easily escape those with violent behavioural issues or criminal histories, you can bet someone is going to mention it along the path of escalation. Certainly, gang culture will provide the relevant "education". So the chances are that they all miss this one is kind of slim.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 no, it's NOT a reasonable assumption, or else people would not bring up the argument that death penalty doesn't deter, the whole point of that argument is that criminals either do not know or do not care about the punishment, especially locally. You also just assumed that all criminals are organized with training, again not the case. You sound like you know nothing about criminal psychology.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully "NOT a reasonable assumption" The converse of the assumption is that no one who has committed a crime has any idea whether capital punishment is applied in their state. Ho could such a thing be kept secret with media report executions, especially in Texas.
"You also just assumed that all criminals are organized with training" No, I left that silent, but those in gang life are clearly trained. Let me make it clear, of course NOT all criminals are gang bangers.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 Wrong, "not a reasonable assumption" simply means most do not, not none do. You're again assuming they all watch the news and always think about other criminals' fates.
Since you admit not all criminals are gang bangers (in fact, most are not), you should not use "they'll train" as part of your assumption.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully If that it is true (and I'd like to see a study supporting this). Then education in states where this is so, then education and including public information is a more tragic failure than I previously imagined. After the Texas Board of Education ID stouch it gets hard to imagine more tragic than the revision of Social studies Ciricula - ditching Thomas Jefferson for Thomas Aquinas, good grief.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I'm willing to accept criminals are failures for public education and media. But I wasn't the person making either the positive or extraordinary claim.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully We're get a little topic here, education is failing everyone including industry - who can't find the skilled personnel they need because Colleges are not catering the employment market. In locations highshools have zero expectation of university for their grads and don't teach in preparation for it.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Please explain the extraordinariness of the claim(s) I have made. Please reread the relevant comments, just to be sure you have misread me. I only ask because when you made this criticism you also appear to be criticising an argument that I'm not making.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt2. I reread my comment above "A reasonable assumption..." You should too. You appear to have read things I didn't write.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 Why did you bring up organized crime and training unless you were assuming it represented the norm of criminals. Again, you have NO evidence that criminals are affected by whether their actions are illegal, punishable or death penalty is something they consider. (I'm willing to consider it, but you presented none)
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully It appears that you assumed that I assumed it was the norm. I didn't, however it is a component of experience that should not be ignored when discussing influences in criminal behaviour. I googled "capital punishment statistics" and found a paper (pdf) "Does Capital Punishment Deter Murder?" from dartmouth[dot]edu.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
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@EmmittBrownBTTF1 here are things you assumed and admitted to assuming "but prison is less encouraging than death penalty..", then you said "its a reasonable assumption" that "criminals are familiar with their given state's death penalty policy".
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I don't need to read that paper, because it'll have 2 possible outcomes, and both of which favor my arguments.
1) if DP deters murder, or other crimes, then it's a good policy.
2) if it does NOT deter, we need to look at whether prison deters. And if not, it would also be bad policy to have prisons.
So to single out DP to test deterrence is clearly a double standard.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully From the conclusion. When Canada dropped the DP their homicide rated dropped. You surprise me, wilful ignorance and blind speculation are usually the domain of theists
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 what did Canada replace their DP with? No punishment? Life in prison? Is homicide the only crime that's DP-able in Canada? Was homicide the only crime that dropped?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully These are good questions, if you read the paper cited, you would know some answers. Is google blocked where you live? Are IP restricted to YouTube? Were you tazered every time you demonstrated curiosity as a child?[of course i'm being facetious, only to encourage you to learn for yourself]. If you examine only what I say you might fall victim to argument from credulity, incredulity, authority or non-authority. but if you look around for yourself. (cont)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully To balance your learning, look for real world results from studies. national crime statistics. Look for the jurisdictions with the lowest crime rates and see what they are doing. since lower crime rates indicate better societal health and corrections systems are a component any complex society.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Don't be afraid of learning, it can be fun and great things can come of it. An American teen started reading post-graduate level dissertations in biochemistry. recently she she developed a candidate drug for treating cancer shown to work in mice. This is a brilliant effort since she has not graduated high school yet. Even better, if her approach to cancer works for people..
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 can you prove that without prisons, crimes would drop even more? Wouldn't that be nice? Are 3rd world countries without DP even lower in homicide rates? Just asking.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully "...without prisons" only if we can find a society that successfully operates with out prisons, so no. "nice?" yeah it would. "3d world" try not to compare third world apples with first world oranges. What appears to been important about prisons is how they are are run. along the spectrum of punishment vs rehab, jurisdictions using rehab see less crime. compare USA & Europe. Europeans work to avoid captivity induced psychosis, while Americans ....
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 isn't "operate successfully" subjective? I can say US operates more successfully than Canada.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Only if you don't apply an observable verifiable measure to it. US homicides per 100,000 capital=4.8, Canada=1.62. You can say any you want but smart people check the figures. Crime rate are effected by general social health and the influence of the criminal justice system. What ever the US is doing either area this is a clear demonstration that they are not more successful than Canada at reducing homicide. wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 if I understand you correctly, are you saying DP causes more homicide? if so, just what would stop you from concluding that abolishing prisons will decrease all crimes, and you never answered my question, is homicide the only DP-able crime?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully "DP => more homicide?" AFAICT this is so, DP advocates hates this. "what prevents" that would be a lack of evidence. And not all prisons are created equall. Some may be described as "Crime U" providing better educated (informally in criminal methods; and formally GEDs, Diplomas etc) psychologically damaged people who are under supported while re-entering society. Rehabilitation and support works much better at reducing recidivist crime than punishment.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 glad we agree not all prisons are created equal. and I agree what prevents is a lack of evidence. I'll ask you again, is homicide the only DP-able crime? If not, isnt it dishonest to look at only homicide when talking about DP?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully DP can be applied to any crime politicians see fit to apply to apply it to. In various jurisdictions it applies to adultery, sorcery, treason, offering descenting political opinion. The real question should be applied. and there are huge problems that remain unaddressed. Guilty cannot be established reliably. Of 289 Illinois death row inmates 6% were later found innocent by 2004. (contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 therefore, it's dishonest to compare only homicide rates, not all crimes which DP apply to.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully DP is **mostly**(& in the US almost entirely) applied to homicide cases. There are only a very few cases of treason where DP is at least not a deterent because treason tends to be ideologically driven or unwitting. Other applications I mentioned could not reasonably be described as real crime. The major justifications of DP are boil down to vengeance and deterrence, neither are demonstrated to lead to less homicidal populations in practice.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I never advocated any punishment for deterrence , and yes, I admit its for vengeance & retribution. Also, with automatic appeals and long waiting times for execution, you can't honesty say that's either efficient exercise or deterrence.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully I don't get why you think its "dishonest" to omit a small minority of cases not demonstrated to be part of larger dynamic with a vastly bigger effected population. Maybe 10 treasons in a decade vs roughly 14400 homicides per annum
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 fact check this for me, is Singapore the lowest crime rate, with also the highest incarceration and harsh DP, even for drugs? Why is that? is it because they are small, homogeneous racially, and high IQ? Is there any reason they can't be compared to Canada?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully I looked for comparable per house hold income figures, but from GDP numbers suggest a wealthier population. Economic prosperity is strongly negatively correlated.
wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
(contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Between 2000 to 2009 Iceland has lower homicide rate as often as not and some times none. An aggregate for Iceland and Singapore over the decade give 6.55 and 5.45 respectively. Per capita GDP shows Singapore about 50% more economically successful than Canada. Prosperity and crime are strongly negatively correlated.
wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 aha! so by this logic, Canada and US can no longer be compared as apples and apples, because we have another factor you didn't consider, prosperity. BTW, prosperity isnt always objectively defined, but if you are really talking about GDP/PPP or wealth, fine.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Canada and USA are closer in terms of GDP/PPP with USA about 20% higher. Simple country by country comparison can be difficult to interpret accurately and when you do A single statistic can only be suggestive. In general countries with DP have higher HR. There are many contributing factor including religiosity(+), social supprt(-), Prosperity(-), ethic mix(+). all lead to difficulties in single country by country comparison in identifying DP deterrence. (contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt2. More important perhaps is what happens when DP is introduced or abolished. when Canada abolish PD, homicide fell 25% by 1997. In general countries without DP have lower homicide rates than those with DP. May may be down to each populations willingness to kill, in general. In some countries an exploding bus full of commuters is page 14 news - regard for life isn't high there.
(contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully You'll notice that when I compared USA & CAN I was talking about the general effectiveness of the two societies to with regard to homicide. not the specific contribution of DP. The contribution by DP is demonstrated when Canada dropped the DP and HR fell.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 in order to compare "general effectiveness of 2 societies" you must assume they are comparable, and I contest that. They are not, whether by wealth, immigration, ethnic population, population growth, drug use or other crime rates, there are nothing alike.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Perhaps if look at the effect of a single factor (like DP) between them but you notice of you look back I did attempt to do that. Developed nations having gun toting, highly religious population and high levels of individual freedom to be compared to USA are perhaps hard to come by. Requiring such a comparison may be disingenuous. DP sends a clear message to all "killing can be justified" (contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 and imprisonment sends the message "imprisoning people like slaves is justified"
You are correct, there are many things US isn't like other countries for. so comparing DP alone just isn't fair.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully (Pt2) and its a bad idea when the state does it, when a guy in a bar fight does it, when a car jacker does it, when an impatient heir does it, when a jealous husband does it. Even news reports of executions reinforces this message. If killing can be justified a person is more likely to do it, and exampling(by executions) increases the risk. Humans are more often irrational creatures than we like to admit. DP is an intuitive/instinctual response (Contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I admit DP is an emotional response, and I admit DP is very wasteful the way US is doing it, I'm in favor of repealing appeals and quick executions
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully (pt3) that like many of our intuitions and instincts are absolutely wrong in terms of getting the best result, in this case fewer homicides. DP is a solution that feels good because it matches our instincts, but I have not seen a demonstration that it makes societies safer. While 70% of people may prefer DP, I'm wary of argumentum ad numerum, that people are influence by instinct, the rantings of Pro DP Lobby & information primacy.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 DP makes society safer from the person executed, at a cost lower than imprisonment, except in the US where there's automatic appeals wasting money dragging out the case. I don't think 70% favor DP, I wish that were true, I really do.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully If you read the Illinois, piece you would have discovered that for every execution 9.5 DP sentences were reversed because the convictions were unsafe. Actually USA imprisonment rate is one of the highest in world. "safe from executed" sure, but at much greater risk from those "trained" to justify their homicidal behaviour, which out ways the effect you're citing.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully I'm not sure of 70% figure myself A previous DP proponent used it. An you that I qualified it with "may". Two out of three countries have abandoned DP. and those that hold on to it are reducing it application. The consensus is DP has not place in civilized society. You like this the idea of life imprisonment is scarier than DP, even crueller. so if your look for deterrent effect there it is. As for cost USA has solved that - prison labour for profit.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
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@EmmittBrownBTTF1 if you want to go by consensus of civilized countries, there's plenty of things the US is doing wrong, one of which is allowing immigrants to come and not forcing them to learn the official language, or placating to people complaining about it where most countries wouldn't even consider letting them in. I'm not sure what you meant by " You like this the idea of life imprisonment is scarier than DP", because I don't believe it is. I believe DP is worst
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully See [wubwubwub][dot]law[dot]northwestern[dot]edu /wrongfulconvictions/issues/deathpenalty/deathPenaltyReform.pdf
"Stunningly, for each defendant executed in Illinois, 9.5 death sentences
had been overturned"
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully I've seen arguments made the US for profit corrections systems have become like "work houses". With many people in for victimless less crime. The US has a higher per capita prison prison population than china. Fuelled by the "war on drugs". Countries that treat addiction as a public health issue have fewer addicts and much less drug related crime. The evidence offers counter-intuitive solutions which that politicians and voters often fail to grasp. (continued)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 does the US deny addiction is a public health issue? I'm generally not for decriminalization or legalization unless it either saves money or doesn't encourage more use. There's no shortage of propaganda scaring kids about drugs, if that's not enough for them, why should I care if they're in prison?
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully "does the US deny" No, but it does use counter productive measures to address the issue.
Good news is decriminalisation takes away that natural curiosity for the forbidden meaning fewer new entrants into the drug market, and it takes away the profit so pushers are regulated or out of business. A shit load of money is saved in enforcement and corrections and general crime is reduced as fewer addicts need less money to fund their addiction. (contd)
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt2. Regulation keeps "pusher" way from teens. Typically the laws require the consumer to be over 18. And since the price is not distorted upwards by the legal admonition, it becomes a undesirable risk/reward ratio.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt2. Decriminalised means you can make the drug business unprofitable for Why pay $50 and risk arrest when you can $20 safely from a licensed dealer. also you could have the option of regulating the industry and promoting rehabilitation.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt2. You know these immensely ignorant comments you're making are pretty good at getting me to find stuff that demonstrates how completely absurd they become with a little digging for evidence. You should try looking for evidence, not for a position but to answers questions to see where the evidence leads you. Try taking a position because you "like" it (appeal to emotion). Take a position compelled by the evidence alone.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@EmmittBrownBTTF1 I do try to look at evidence, but most arguments I've heard about death penalty are very selective at how they view evidence, so I don't automatically take it at face value. the easy example is that they compare homicide rates and death penalty, this is completely meaningless unless you assume only homicides are DP-able, and all homicides are equal even.
spiritualbully 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Pt3 find a sceptics group they can help you learn about the prat-falls of fallacious argument - it is also worth googling fallacious argument. Knowing about fallacious can help you avoid looking like a complete douche.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully ... complain about inmates doing time in country club facilities. The main goal around imprisonment avoid re-offending. Offending can't by avoided entirely. various biological factors and social dysfunctions can't be easily solved. Most often, by the time an offender has earned stir, a number of opportunities have been missed to avoid risk factors that precipitated his offence.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
@spiritualbully Lastly, it is good to ask. it precipitates learning. You have got plenty do. Checkout AntiCitizenX's "Psychology of Belief" series. It will help avoid common mistakes made while dealing with new information. Try not to waste time with Jersey Shore et al - its a distraction from reality and if don't watch what is really going on, you'll be shocked to discover what can be stolen from you.
EmmittBrownBTTF1 1 month ago
The only real arguments against the death penalty is financial, if you were to introduce a higher burden of proof to allow the death penalty than is required for a conviction. As an atheist who believes that good actions are the ones which benefit society, any moral argument that someone who committed murder is better off left breathing is not all that convincing. If you kill someone, and you are connected by DNA and other irrefutable proof, society is better of with you not wasting resources.
ShouldersofGiants100 4 months ago
fuckin bitch I didn't even watch your dumb video because the death penalty DOES NOT i repeat DOES NOT WORK. YOU ARE A DUMB BITCH. SHUT THE FUCK UP. GO BE IN THE KITCHEN.
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@OneSixBillionth You realize she is being sarcastic, no non-texan would ever say "the great state of Texas" unless they were being sarcastic, let alone compliment Rick Perry
ShouldersofGiants100 4 months ago
@OneSixBillionth Dumb shit, people like YOU should be fucking executed.
Minecraft4life1000 3 months ago
Let me get this straight.. In this video you are complaining about how Texas is treating its inmates badly? So you are asking for better treatment for thieves, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, and all types of criminals? Do you have a relative or someone in prison? Because the families of the people who were hurt/murdered by those people want them dead, and they feel justice is not served. However, you disagree and you believe they are being treated in a barbaric way? BRAIN > EMOTION PLEASE
perfect1oNN 4 months ago
@StasiaLove1 that's the only reason? there are a million reasons to be against the voluntary murder of another human being. Be it a penalty, or the crime that you wish to punish.
kriptonis 4 months ago
@healthyaddict Agreed. If this Rick Perry guy ever becomes your president it would leave most of the world looking back on George W Bush's term with a wistful nostalgia. Besides history is full of people who were wrongly convicted and one person wrongly put to death is one person too many. It is a lot easier to apologize to, and compensate, someone wrongly imprisoned than someone wrongly executed.
sighrd 4 months ago
e whatever, i dont care, if they have evidence that they committed crimes, fcuking kill them
Met0llicA 4 months ago
@Met0llicA They don't always have evidence. Texans just like to see people killed. There have been innocent people put on death row. "When we kill the innocent, it makes murderers of us all."
EnhanceTheTruth 4 months ago
@EnhanceTheTruth
That's what I've said all along.
If you vote for someone because they are going to keep the death penalty, then you have sentenced yourself to death!
Because you will be complicit in the murder of at least one innocent person over the next couple of years.
Just one innocent person makes you a murderer. And you deserve to die by your own rules.
jazzx251 4 months ago
IMHO I think trying to give Casey Anthony the death penalty probably helped her get a "not guilty" verdict. I mean, were we really about to give someone the needle for a crime that we couldn't prove she did? Despite whether or not you think she did it.
louie540x 4 months ago
The death penalty is 100% effective against recidivism. More importantly (in my mind) it puts selective pressure against some of humanities more barbaric alleles. The only argument against it as far as I can see is that we can't be 100% sure whether or not most people on death row are really guilty.
pnq8787 4 months ago
@pnq8787
"......we can't be 100% sure whether or not most people on death row are really guilty" A minor detail!
io2bonk2 4 months ago
@pnq8787
I'll give you one more argument against it.
There are some criminals who keep their mouth shut about why they did what they did. The least effective answer to the "why" question [in many cases, the most important for the victim's family] is to kill them before they spill the beans.
Life in prison makes these kind of people eventually come to terms with their crime and say honestly why they think they did what they did. Give them that opportunity ...
jazzx251 4 months ago
I bet that if you look back in history when the death penalty was implemented quickly and rather consistently you'll find that it was a much better deterrent than it is today, where it's a super-long, drawn out process. So just because it's not working the way we're doing it now doesn't mean that it can't work, only that it doesn't work this way. Just like the Soviet Union's failure doesn't prove that socialism can't work, only that it doesn't work if done in that particular way.
kane148 4 months ago
@kane148 How much do you bet?
efctony 4 months ago
@kane148 Umm, the homicide rates are much lower in countries that don't have the death penalty. The U.K. for example, Similar to the US but the rate is 0-2 Per 100,000 compared to the 10-15 of Texas where the penalty is strictly enforced.
PhotoShopChannel 4 months ago in playlist Videos from healthyaddict
the sad thing is there are people who hold these beliefs unsarcastically.
4LackOfaBetterNam3 4 months ago
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4LackOfaBetterNam3 4 months ago
If you are being sarcastic in this video then i completely agree with you, I mean c'mon why terminate the lives of serious offenders when you can just feed them for 20 years while you wait for them to die naturally :)
DrBlueDot 4 months ago
sharia law?
emad2196 4 months ago
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@StasiaLove1 That is really the ONLY reason you can think of to be against it?
rapperscanttakeahint 4 months ago
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FreeThinkerInTheBelt 4 months ago
Whenever people talk about the death penalty I get torn between the two arguments.
If you don't have the death penalty you're basically saying there is no act heinous enough to warrant a person's execution.
And If you do support the death penalty, it could and probably will kill innocent people.
WIleyCubScout 4 months ago
@MrPurpose79 If you think money won't exist in the future, you don't understand what money is, what purpose prices serve, and likely what Value is.
Floridanon407 4 months ago
all those starving to death and your so flippant
human453 4 months ago
I don't suppose, because people continue to drive 90 in school zones, that we should cease issuing stiff fines? Or because there are still tons of shoplifters, we should just throw our hands up, and let them do it, because--let's face it--our punishment for that kind of behavior doesn't work.? Granted, our Texas justice system needs reform. Mandatory DNA testing, and anal emphasis on certainty, but doing away with the death penalty? Tell it to the guy who chainsaw butchered a toddler.
razzlefrog 4 months ago
you forgot to mention cameron todd willingham
aj19bcx 4 months ago
@StasiaLove1 she was being sarcastic lol :D, it's in the description.
ArcaneSummer 4 months ago 8
Do you make any arguments? I've watched a few of your videos and I haven't heard one yet.
CapsFan082892 4 months ago
Death penalty isn't a deterant for crime, it saves money. Then you can take that money and give it to people who can use it. If they deffinatly did the crime, and the evidence shows 100%. YAAY DNA. Then let's save some cash, rid of these losers, and spend that cash on ooo I dunno, the health care and social policies you guys need. Unless of course you think after some dude mutilates a woman and her kids after raping them, they are still human beings who can be magically cured.
Dandramere 4 months ago
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TruthRadiator 4 months ago
a single bullet only costs like $0.25 They could just shoot the people and be done with it. No need to pay guard salaries while starvation takes effect.
luccaskunk 4 months ago
People who liked this video recognized sarcasm,
People who disliked it are convinced that we must take this case seriously.
OrdinaryEvidence 4 months ago
the minute you said "Great state of Texas" I knew you were joking, but in future, DONT SCARE US LIKE THAT!!!!
Xloi63 4 months ago
No. You can't be absolutely sure in all cases that you've got the right person. If you find out you've got it wrong, and the innoent person is in prison, you can let them out. If you've killed them you can't bring them back to life.
Overcome that one and I will agree with you.
scrooge38 4 months ago
ok, im against death penalty, but youre talking like if the ones sentenced to death penalty havent committed anything
zenoparodie 4 months ago