Context is Key to Bible Interpretation. (2Peter 3:9 Exegeted by James White)

[gsschoenfeld]

Once again we see James White getting hyper literal about word choices made exclusively to a cherry picked version of the bible. In this case it seems to be the NIV which best supported his contextual argument here. White normally pimps the slimy NASB translation because he is involved with the publication of that translation. But apparently he was out-voted on how to translate this one so he has to run to the competition for help.

[lessingtom]

Part 2: Why would the Holy Ghost inspire Peter to express God's wish that none of the elect should perish but that all should come to repentance when they have already been chosen unto salvation before the foundation of the world? If it'd been God's eternal decree that the elect would never perish, even before the foundation of the world, why make the statement: "It is not His wish that any of the elect should perish?" That's weird, but then again, Calvinism is really weird.

[lessingtom]

Part 1: If the "you" in verse 9 refers to the elect only and not the entire human race, it would mean that the elect are perishable and indeed the only ones that are perishable. The fact that Peter says "not wishing that any should perish" proves that some are indeed going to perish but that it is not God's desire that they should. Why would God deem the elect perishable when He has already chosen them to an irrevocable salvation before the foundation of the world?

[Personmr]

could somone put deuteronomy 13:14-13:16 in context for me? i REALLY don't know what that is about.

[BBBradH]

A wicked man cannot undestand a good man. He cannot understand how he feels or thinks about things. He simply cannot relate. The more we trust Jesus by doing what he says the more we will understand how he thinks and feels about things. Character is the key to understanding; hermeneutics is important, but not as important as character. If Hitler followed the correct hermeneutical procedure would he rightly understand the Bible? No. "Justice" by George MacDonald. Godliness is the opener of eyes.

[faithandpractice]

Hmm, I can actually see where he's comming from. I'd say that was the best answer I've heard for that. The only thing is that no one would EVER have come up with that by just plain old reading the passage and taking it for it's plain meaning.

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice If the Holy Spirit is teaching,then yes all who study the verse, 2Peter 3:9,will come to this understanding.Remember God knew both all His elect and all the goats before time,this being true means,that God is waiting for all His elect to be born and born again before Jesus comes back.Why would God be waiting on the goats to come when He knows there is not one chance of this ever happening?To believe like you do would make God ignorant of His own.

[faithandpractice]

@CBALLEN Nothing you just said made sense (other than the condescending and totally wrong assumption that "if the Holy Spirit is teaching" all who study the verse..... man what a bunch of crap. No one EVER thought that in the first couple hundred years of the church).

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice Of course they understood it,I have quotes from early church fathers at my channel.Does God's word never return to Him void and always accomplish what it is purposed to do?

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice If God's word always accomplishes it's purpose,then it's purpose is not always to save men, since not all who hear the gospel become believers,His word always saves His sheep and it reprobates the goats when it's preached in a crowd.Sheep come in 2 groups,Unregenerate sheep and regenerate sheep,all sheep will be saved,but there is only 1 kind of Goat,no amount of preaching will ever save a Goat,they are born Goats and die Goats,because they were created as GOATS.

[faithandpractice]

@CBALLEN Every single thing you said only makes sense if you're looking through "Augustinian glasses". Two kinds of sheep? You know as well as I do that there's no Bible for that. Question, if man can not call on God of their own decision why is that God needs to harden their hearts? Why does God need to harden the hearts of the "goats" if they will always be goats?

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice All God has to do to harden ones heart is remove His restraining power from them and let them do what they really want to do,SIN and God uses their sin against them,while accomplishing His will at the same time.The hearts of men and kings are in God's hand,He turns it where ever He wishes,to either do Good or Bad.

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice Tell me what you believe Isiah 55:11 is saying.

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice My friend ,you are a product of "modern Churchianity",scripture only means what you have heard others say it means,you don't study scripture you just parrot it in an unBiblical way.

[faithandpractice]

@CBALLEN 1. I don't study the scripture? I dare say that I can debate FOR the C-ist position as well as you can (something I've done). 2. Not only have I studied but I have been the director and main teacher for 2 Bible schools. 3. Modern Christianity? It is your views that are new my friend. It was Augustine that popularized your views. 4. You did not answer my question. You can not answer the question because it voids your position.

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice You never told me why my comment made no sense,actually it makes perfect sense.I don't see how you don't understand that God knew 2 finite groups before time,1 group are His elect,the ones He chose to forgive and cast His love on ,and the other group He chose to leave in their own sin,these are called GOATS.So why would God be patiently waiting on people to come to Jesus when He knows it's impossible for them to come?Do you believe that God is ignorant ?

[faithandpractice]

@CBALLEN Your comment is based on presupositions that I don't share. "So why would God be patiently waiting on people to come to Jesus when He knows it's impossible for them to come?" I don't share the thought that it's impossible for anyone to come until Jesus returns. Now that I've answered your ? How about mine. Why does God need to harden someones heart if they can not come to Him unless He makes it possible? Why does He need to harden the hearts of the goats?

[CBALLEN]

@faithandpractice So God doesn't know who will be saved before time?Really? Are you an Open theist?The scripture tells us in no uncertain terms that He has chosen His own before time for His good purpose.God hardens the hearts of Goats to determine what they will do in order to accomplish His eternal decree.Check out Exodus and read about Pharaoh.In fact God turned all the Egyptians against the Hebrews to begin with.

[4truth77]

In 1 Cor. 9:9 Paul used Duet. 25:4 to teach people to help ministers financially. How did Paul possible correctly interpret Duet. 25:4 if this video is true? Read the context of Duet. 25:4.

[MrDaemonB]

Much corruption within organized cult religions over the past 1400 years has blasphemed the Bibles' stories, which point towards the spiritual evolution of mankind, through ancient myth and allegory. The adaptation of the character "Jesus" as being some kind of literal, historical figure has cleverly hidden the knowledge of the 'Christ" spirit that lives within the flesh of all man. Today rather than evolve through spiritual resurrection the masses suffer as they praise the false idol Jesus

[vedinthorn]

It would be silly to assume that everyone Peter was talking to, he assumed was a Christian in the proper sense, just as much as it would be to assume everyone in a church now is.

[CBALLEN]

Even as an Arminian believes,God knows both groups the lost and found before time.Since God has knowledge of His own,He is not fruitlessly waiting on people to come to Christ that He knows will not.This makes all the verses, where Arminians believe God is wanting all be saved mean something other than what they believe it means on the surface.ALL people or whole world can only be determined by context in every case and in every case the scripture interprets who they are.

[atoam]

Great information.

[lizazoon]

Bible interpretation is one reason why the bible cannot be from god. What god in his right mind, would leave it to his subjects to interpret his word. It`s like the judge leaving the interpretation of the penal code to the accused.

[vedinthorn]

@lizazoon You realize that everything ever said by anyone ever and always has been interpreted, right?

[NINJALARSON]

@lizazoon God did not leave His subjects to interpret the Word. Scripture interprets Scripture. We know the meaning of the difficult passages because we know that the clear passages do not contradict them. Therefore, we should look at the Bible in context of itself and stop taking 1 verse to prove our points (eisegesis).

[patriotsfan1379]

@lizazoon but thats why there are lawyers and judges to interpret law so there are elders and teaching elders pastors to interpret the bible even thought there are many false teachers Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and they follow me

[JKTPerry]

@lizazoon Interpretation is necessary because we're not reading in the original language. I wasn't born speaking and reading Greek, Hebrew and Aramiac, therefore I have to look back and use syntax and grammar rules of the original language to understand what the writer was saying. The people in the first century that read the Epistles (letters) simply knew what they said. They understood the grammar, syntax and sentence structure, like we do in English except in the original languages.

[810suited]

thanks Lane...great video! 

[Musicman2U]

Excellent job! Sound exegesis like this is what the Church so badly needs now-a-days, and why so much kookiness exists in our midst.

A real breath of clean, fresh air!

[cherubimX]

I sure wouldnt want to sit under James White's false teaching. I'm so happy i go to a good biblebelieving church, where they rightly divide the word. What James White is doing is called EISEGESIS, reading your own meaning into the text.

[AgApE010]

@cherubimX

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Really cherub? You want to demonstrate for us exactly which verse(s) he's reading into? Can you show which point of his is wrong? It's easy to throw around a hermeneutical term that you just learned, but try actually rebutting a person's argument next time. What YOU are doing is elevating your own feelings and bad philosophical predispositions over and above the sound word of God.

[WarrantedFaith]

@cherubimX

No it's called exegesis. No other understanding of the text makes any sense of the context. Notice what Peter is talking about. The second coming of Christ. He is answering why Christ appears to be delayed in His coming. And notice what he says. The REASON for the Lord's patience is for there to be time for people to repent, yet the Lord's patience is only FOR those who are elect. Hence, the reason for the Lord's patience is for those who are elect to come to repentance.

[thebobbster]

AWESOME upload!

[LothairOfLorraine]

Note also that if 3:9 is only refering to those who are already the Elect, then according to the plain meaning of the verse, at least SOME of the Elect had yet to repent! How can the very Elect be unrepentent!

By the way, White says 'context' about every other word.

[johnpolanco18]

that is correct.. The elect as in the ones that werent saved YET.. There are more people that need to be saved.. Here Paul is talking that Why is Jesus taking so long to come back? because he want all that the father gave him to be saved (THE ELECT).. If its everyone in the whole world, then we dare not say God has failed because we know that not all the world will be saved.. but only a few..

[PotandTorch]

@LothairOfLorraine do you know what elect means in scripture? Some elect still unrepentant, because they have yet to enter into the realization of their salvation, hence the reason why Christ has yet to return.

[NickSayers]

God already knows who will respond to the Gospel - i.e. Jesus knew all about Judas. But the crux of Calvinism is, did God ordain people for heaven and hell from creation. This ultimatly come back to forknowledge, and omniscience, which in turn comes back to free will. Did Adam and eve have free will apart from God's Omniscience? Jesus showed us that the father knows the day and hour, but no one else NOT EVEN THE SON knows... Is God capable of denying himself omniscience? Just a thought.

[ABandGeek6363]

That is a good point to make. But I think of the Matrix Reloaded when thinking about this. the Oracle knew what would happen, but didnt say what Neo should do, for he must understand why he makes the choice.

[all4Hisgloryalone]

@NickSayers NO. You do not understand the two natures of Christ and how His role as true man and true God in his incarnation is explained in scripture.

[agentorangetechno]

I want more videos like this one!!!

Awesome!!

[lindaclements]

I went to a Kay Arthur conference recently (Precepts Ministries - my sister's been teaching her techniques for years)

Kay teaches you how to apply the "who, what, when, why, where, & how" technique to EVERY scripture.

Who was the author and who was he speaking to? What were the political, economic, social, cultural signs of the times? etc etc etc

In the class we covered Titus. By the time we were finished we'd read if over 20+ times. Placing circles, squares, etc in colored pencils around

[RAIDERJO76]

Yes. Calvinists (except for some extreme "Calvinists") do not teach that the denial of the doctrines of grace is damnable.

[BlazingSky2006]

What video software do you use to make your videos?

[LaneCh]

This is one made by CrossTv (crosstv(.)com)

[EveryTribeOutreach]

Did you have to get their permission first before you posted their videos? I don't care, but some ministries like Igniter Media are really possessive with their materials, and they'll get people's channels suspended. I don't want that to happen to me if I were to post some Cross TV videos on my channel...that's the only reason I'm asking.

[LaneCh]

I have permission. They are very gracious.

[ihaveaverybadcold]

so can God's elect be someone who doesnt believe in election but believes and repents,goes through the gate and walks the narrow way??

[LaneCh]

Believing in election doesn't mean you're elect. Believing in Christ does.

[yacoub80]

great job with context!

[LaneCh]

An unbeliever just tried to pull one of the "out of context arguments" with me about the Bible. It's pretty sad. You can see it on the "How to Refute a Straw Man" video. You'll know which comment is his. Take care, yacoub.

[Juliocyp]

I love the dividing line!

[Blaze25z]

Excellent video. Word Pictures is a powerful ministry. So much needed today. Thank-you! Alpha and Omega with James White is a must!!!