odd that you guys seem to think that Lilina is bad. My Lilina was able to max out all of her stats save for defense, health, and luck by the time she was lvl 20 class 2. Plus, around mid game, she can just BURN things :D
so I think a little babying wouldn't hurt. Just look at Nino from FE7
LOL at Lilina fanboyism. I mean, I admit, I like her, and I use her on several runs, but that dosen't mean I think she's good. You get Lugh, like, chapters earlier, he could be doubling, she's not, her spd growth isn't high enough to get her to double any time soon, she dies in two hits, and she's getting doubled.
And given that in an efficiency playthrough, we aren't arena abusing, she probably won't reach the level of your other team members any time soon without A LOT of babying.
I think Hisagi134 and I would strongly disagree with you. Lilina isn't really the best (as her low health growth is a major flaw there) but she does serve a good spiker and dodge machine. Her speed and luck growths are very decent with A support Roy (which is quite easy to get, happen to do so in chapter 12 at Lalum's route)
each mage specialize in different areas. But I would say is this: Lilina>=Lugh>Hugh.
honestly, if you are ging to see how bad a character is, train them a bit. If they maybe get like but 1 or 2 stat gains for 5 lvls then ditch, Lilina wasn't trained, and she didn't have a weapon either. How can you absolutely prove that
HP 36.1 Mg 36.5/30 Skl 15.6 Spd 20.3 Luck 23 Def 6.8 Res 22.3
She excels in Magic and has above average Luck and Resistance. Her HP would be decent for a mage if her def. wasn't complete crap. Her skill isn't great, but with Anima magic and her high luck, that's a moot point. She also has meh speed on average. Not great, but not terrible. Reikken's correct in his saying she has bad durability. Lugh, while he won't hit as hard, he can take more hits and double more reliably.
Try in the middle of the game instead of at the end. Stats don't matter once you've already beaten the game. That said, 28 hp, 7 def, and 14 spd is indeed not enough. Also...wtf? Where did you get those numbers? I understand that you meant at max level, but her stats at max level are quite a bit lower than that.
Well in Lilina's defense, Fire emblem is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME. Therefor, it is not serious business what units you use. Hell, I use Echidna, sure, your Echidnas might suck, but mine capped str, spd and skl.
I guess some people disagree. Mages are broken in FE6. Tomes weigh between 1-6, they crush several enemies with decent dodge (from fortresses and forests) and counter the primary wave of Bern's forces, the dragon knights. If you go the Ilian route, they're even more useful.
I don't even care that people give my comments thumbs down, but at least put why so I can tell you that you're wrong. FE6 is hard for stupid people, but it's actually quite easy for those who've beaten 2, 4, and 5.
I use Lilina every time, and don't ever find her durability an issue. Sure, I do toss her a Speedwing or two, but who else needs them anyway? With that 30 MAG, she's one shotting everything anyway, just plant her in a forest with a bodyguards like Gonzales and she survives just fine. I especially like her for the fact that she one-rounds those scary Mamkutes, a feat no one else can do without taking damage. Oh, and did I mention she's cute as hell? Lilina is my fav FE character:)
Yah. That describes my every attempt to use Lelina. She dies on the end of some ballista or Bow...or doubled by a ranged Spear...then I reload my save state...I've given up on her when she died 13 times on hard mode why trying to train her.
Unfortunately, by his standards, she is no good. She causes babying, which doesn't do well to your experiance rank, therefore hindering the S rank, which is what Reikken doesn't like about her. He judges units based on how well they help to get an S rank. Pure stats, Lilina is fine except for skill and defense problems. I don't get how Hugh is better though.
Well, Hugh is for people who want a magic user that isn't completely vulnerable all the time. With his higher than usual defense and hp for a magic user, he is a fairly sturdy unit, but Lilina beats him out in power, and Lugh beats him in speed. Really, it depends on how you play
You sir, are a MORON. Sure, her stats sucks at first but Hugh who joins at like, what, second last chapter? is even WORSE. He starts as a Mage, his stats SUCKS, his stat growth is even WORSE. Really, train Lilina and she'll be your #2 killer in the entire game. The #1 killer is Roy, especially with the Sealed Sword.
<_<;; . . . Hugh joins 12 chapters from the end of the game... You're not even close. Hugh sucks, sure, but he's certainly better off than Lilina, who is one of the worst characters in the game, on hard mode, at least. Hugh joins 11 chapters later than Lilina but 14 levels higher with bases that don't utterly suck like Lilina's, or if you pay his fee, his bases are even decent.
So 11 chapters later you can recruit Hugh, who would then be 14 levels higher than Lilina, when you can get Lilina, train her for 11 chapters And she could be at like level 20/? and would PWN Hugh.
You can go out of your way to make anyone get the most kills. That just means you really like that character, and nothing more. Anyway, Roy number 1? (I'm assuming you mean best unit in the game) Hardly. He doesn't even promote until there are 4 chapters left in the game, automatically making him horribly weak for a large portion of the game. His special sword has only 20 uses, and he doesn't get that either until 4 chapters from the end of the game. Who's really the moron?
Roy is the number one killer without cheating, too. I just send him anyway. Why? Because I only find use of those with Support convos. (Roy/Lilina, Rutger/Clarine, Ray/Sophia).
Now, you go to hell and try to actually TRAIN her. I've made her a level 20 mage then level 20 sage without Arena and Roy level 20 without Arena. How? Because I at least TRAINS my characters!
Yes, Hugh sucks. I am not denying that at all. I said it myself already.
Roy isn't the only unit with supports, you know. Everyone has them.
You want some actually good units? Try supporting Alan and Lance. Or perhaps Rutger and Deak. Roy isn't sucky or anything, but he's very very far from the best.
Now, a unit you have to baby for 20 levels before they stop sucking is not good. At all.
Yay, you can level up a sucky unit and make it become useful later on at the cost of dragging your team down for a while at the beginning. Good for you.
No. She came out horrible from PERSONAL experience and that's all I'm saying. That's just my honest opinion. She's definitely overrated, as you can tell from numerous videos of her being awesome, etc.
I still don't like her.
Is that so wrong?
I agree with Reikken.
Is that so wrong?
I stopped AAing her when Lugh and Hugh were clearly much better in comparison when I checked stats.
Is that so wrong?
Cause +2 magic than other sages doesn't make her uber. That's just my opinion.
Lilina is good in normal mode. If you're lucky, she can be fine in hard mode, though I didn't use her during my hard mode playthrough. Reikken just is being over observative. Then again, from what I know, he's one of the top Fire Emblem debaters. Still, I consider Lilina a unit you can use if you want to. I usually ignore what the experts say about particually Nino and Lilina being bad and Marcus being awesome in Fire Emblem 7. I don't get how his slowness is worth using.
Meh, he was helpful in Sword of Seals for training the better units in Hard Mode. In Fire Emblem 7, I suppose he's a good meatsheild in Hard Mode, because by the time your people can promote, he's obsolete. Yeah, the folks are starting to accept Nino due to helping the experiance rank, right? I remember reading that on Fire Emblem Planet. Nino's #1 fan sure hopes so.(I'm Dudeman there)
Bleh, I've played Fuuin no Tsurugi, and while Lilina may start out rather fragile, her growth potential is huge. She can become an absolute beast, maxing out her magic power and hitting even harder than Lugh. Though I let him use Forblaze, Lilina didn't need it to blast enemies into submission.
Her magic power does indeed grow to be very high, but that's all she has. Her speed is low, so she doesn't double much, making for usually less damage despite higher power per hit, and she doesn't dodge well thanks to both that low speed and her affinity, and she obviously has very poor concrete durability.
Just so you know, that archer is the weakest enemy on the field. The rest of the physical attackers kill her in one hit instead of two.
Sure, there are others who can die in one round from some of the enemies, but very few die in one round from nearly every single enemy on the map they join on, as Lilina does. (500 char limit? h8)
Lilina can only survive a round from the ~2 weakest mages. Even Ellen, the staff user with 0 base def, can at least survive a round from about half the enemies, and she doesn't have the advantage of going up against magic users to put her res to use.
Anyway, it's all in fun. This 11 sec clip wasn't intended to seriously prove anything.
That doesn't change the point, which is that she gets killed in one round by nearly everything. This was just easier. I didn't want to go through the trouble of playing all the way through the chapter just to give her a weapon since weapons don't make her any more durable. It would just show you that her offense sucks as well.
Having good tactics doesn't stop Lilina from being one-rounded.
By your logic durability doesn't matter if you have good tactics. Plus, Lilina won't kill any enemy unless it's set up for her. Also, like Reikken said, she's OHKO'd by a significant amount of enemies.
The chances of Lilina killing with a thunder tome while being so underlevelled is extremely slim. It'll only happen when you set it up for her. The fact that she can even be killed in one round, regardless of whether she can kill the enemy or not (which she can't 99% of the time) is a massive disadvantage. Plus, let's just say she does kill the enemy. Chances are, there's more than one enemy attacing your party, and if that one enemy got to Lilina, another one will likely finish her off.
But nay. The goal for that level that Lilina is on is for her to avoid all enemies until being saved by Roy, and then seize. So you'll only have to deal with that archer, unless you move Lilina. :|
Honestly, the Durandal is worth saving Lilina for. After that she can just benchwarm if you don't like her. She's no Dieck or Percival, that's for sure.
odd that you guys seem to think that Lilina is bad. My Lilina was able to max out all of her stats save for defense, health, and luck by the time she was lvl 20 class 2. Plus, around mid game, she can just BURN things :D
so I think a little babying wouldn't hurt. Just look at Nino from FE7
KhaPha 1 year ago
........
If you were trying to make a point with this video, then you've failed.
VideoGaming4Dummies 2 years ago
@VideoGaming4Dummies
Lilina is horribly underpowered when she joins?
It gets that across very nicely.
RWBn00b 1 year ago
@VideoGaming4Dummies How has he failed?
LittleAl016 2 months ago
LOL at Lilina fanboyism. I mean, I admit, I like her, and I use her on several runs, but that dosen't mean I think she's good. You get Lugh, like, chapters earlier, he could be doubling, she's not, her spd growth isn't high enough to get her to double any time soon, she dies in two hits, and she's getting doubled.
And given that in an efficiency playthrough, we aren't arena abusing, she probably won't reach the level of your other team members any time soon without A LOT of babying.
darknessdude8513 2 years ago 2
I think Hisagi134 and I would strongly disagree with you. Lilina isn't really the best (as her low health growth is a major flaw there) but she does serve a good spiker and dodge machine. Her speed and luck growths are very decent with A support Roy (which is quite easy to get, happen to do so in chapter 12 at Lalum's route)
each mage specialize in different areas. But I would say is this: Lilina>=Lugh>Hugh.
Dpaladinx 2 years ago
How the hell did he snipe her through a wall? That's just stupid.
Rutawind 2 years ago 9
89% hit well what you except.
goronlord3 2 years ago
Shit. It's Reikken.
(Look at my channel to reveal my identity on Gamefaqs)
vivekbob 3 years ago
I believe I'm already familiar with that name.
Reikken 3 years ago
kthx
vivekbob 3 years ago
honestly, if you are ging to see how bad a character is, train them a bit. If they maybe get like but 1 or 2 stat gains for 5 lvls then ditch, Lilina wasn't trained, and she didn't have a weapon either. How can you absolutely prove that
Zsaver3 2 years ago
Lilina's averages:
HP 36.1 Mg 36.5/30 Skl 15.6 Spd 20.3 Luck 23 Def 6.8 Res 22.3
She excels in Magic and has above average Luck and Resistance. Her HP would be decent for a mage if her def. wasn't complete crap. Her skill isn't great, but with Anima magic and her high luck, that's a moot point. She also has meh speed on average. Not great, but not terrible. Reikken's correct in his saying she has bad durability. Lugh, while he won't hit as hard, he can take more hits and double more reliably.
TheAncienRegime 3 years ago 10
Lilina is a great character if trained. Yes, This is Zeldafreak007 from Gamefaqs.
vivekbob 3 years ago
nah, even then she's still pretty meh. lol spd/def/hp
Reikken 3 years ago
20 spd, 13def, and 40HP arent enough?
vivekbob 3 years ago
Try in the middle of the game instead of at the end. Stats don't matter once you've already beaten the game. That said, 28 hp, 7 def, and 14 spd is indeed not enough. Also...wtf? Where did you get those numbers? I understand that you meant at max level, but her stats at max level are quite a bit lower than that.
Reikken 3 years ago
Those were my stats at a level 4 sage. Chapter 14
vivekbob 3 years ago
Good for you. You got incredibly lucky (or used stat boosters). Her average level 4 sage stats are 29 hp, 5 def, 14-15 spd.
And you also sacrificed the rest of your party's exp to give her nearly as many kills as possible.
Reikken 3 years ago
I had Alan, Shin, and Rei as level 6-7 Promoted. I just got lucky. :/
vivekbob 3 years ago
Rei as lv 6 promoted when he joined as lv 12 unpromoted just 3 chapters ago? I see. And what were the levels of the rest of your team?
Reikken 3 years ago
Rei was a level 2 promoted. My bad.
vivekbob 3 years ago
Well in Lilina's defense, Fire emblem is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME. Therefor, it is not serious business what units you use. Hell, I use Echidna, sure, your Echidnas might suck, but mine capped str, spd and skl.
armadilloHD 3 years ago 4
Lilina has the ability to cap that 30 magic cap easy. All that damage with the blatant over-power of Aircalibur = own.
Just stick her on forts. She'll make it.
TimPowerGamer 4 years ago
I guess some people disagree. Mages are broken in FE6. Tomes weigh between 1-6, they crush several enemies with decent dodge (from fortresses and forests) and counter the primary wave of Bern's forces, the dragon knights. If you go the Ilian route, they're even more useful.
I don't even care that people give my comments thumbs down, but at least put why so I can tell you that you're wrong. FE6 is hard for stupid people, but it's actually quite easy for those who've beaten 2, 4, and 5.
TimPowerGamer 3 years ago 4
I use Lilina every time, and don't ever find her durability an issue. Sure, I do toss her a Speedwing or two, but who else needs them anyway? With that 30 MAG, she's one shotting everything anyway, just plant her in a forest with a bodyguards like Gonzales and she survives just fine. I especially like her for the fact that she one-rounds those scary Mamkutes, a feat no one else can do without taking damage. Oh, and did I mention she's cute as hell? Lilina is my fav FE character:)
SuikoFan69 3 years ago
lol Lilina was 1 of my best characters.. but i ended that FE in chpt 22 lol..
narutoguevon 4 years ago
lilina is good but lugh is better
archsage44 4 years ago
who cares
theoneawsomone 4 years ago
ahhh...sad...
GoldensunGSD 4 years ago
>_>
Yah. That describes my every attempt to use Lelina. She dies on the end of some ballista or Bow...or doubled by a ranged Spear...then I reload my save state...I've given up on her when she died 13 times on hard mode why trying to train her.
kirant 4 years ago
Lilina Is by far not one of the worst units, She is actually My strongest Magic user Is FE GBA series!!!
UrbanSavageNiko 4 years ago
Tried using the other mage you get EARLIER yet? He's much more reliable, and much easier to keep alive...MUCH.
kirant 4 years ago
If you keep Lilina alive and get her to level 20/20 sage, she will end up with much, MUCH better stats than both Lugh and Hugh.
Drake621 4 years ago 2
But 69% Average Evade far beats 50% evade, especially when Lelina averages 15 skill, 36 HP, and 7 defense.
Sure Lugh doesn't do as well with Magic (7 less) and Resistance (3 less), but his 11 extra skill and 6 extra speed are worth it.
kirant 4 years ago 5
LOL I GAWTZ A SOLUTION: Use them both...
vivekbob 3 years ago
Unfortunately, by his standards, she is no good. She causes babying, which doesn't do well to your experiance rank, therefore hindering the S rank, which is what Reikken doesn't like about her. He judges units based on how well they help to get an S rank. Pure stats, Lilina is fine except for skill and defense problems. I don't get how Hugh is better though.
Kintenbo 4 years ago
Well, Hugh is for people who want a magic user that isn't completely vulnerable all the time. With his higher than usual defense and hp for a magic user, he is a fairly sturdy unit, but Lilina beats him out in power, and Lugh beats him in speed. Really, it depends on how you play
Hisagi134 3 years ago 2
I see, I'm ihatesourkraut.
TheAncienRegime 4 years ago
Am I to assume that Reikken is also your GFAQs user name?
TheAncienRegime 4 years ago
Yes, "Reikken" is my GFAQs user name.
Reikken 4 years ago
You sir, are a MORON. Sure, her stats sucks at first but Hugh who joins at like, what, second last chapter? is even WORSE. He starts as a Mage, his stats SUCKS, his stat growth is even WORSE. Really, train Lilina and she'll be your #2 killer in the entire game. The #1 killer is Roy, especially with the Sealed Sword.
Kainmaster 4 years ago
How right you are. In time, Lilina will turn out to be pure PWNAGE.
Drake621 4 years ago
<_<;; . . . Hugh joins 12 chapters from the end of the game... You're not even close. Hugh sucks, sure, but he's certainly better off than Lilina, who is one of the worst characters in the game, on hard mode, at least. Hugh joins 11 chapters later than Lilina but 14 levels higher with bases that don't utterly suck like Lilina's, or if you pay his fee, his bases are even decent.
Reikken 4 years ago
So 11 chapters later you can recruit Hugh, who would then be 14 levels higher than Lilina, when you can get Lilina, train her for 11 chapters And she could be at like level 20/? and would PWN Hugh.
Drake621 4 years ago 2
You can go out of your way to make anyone get the most kills. That just means you really like that character, and nothing more. Anyway, Roy number 1? (I'm assuming you mean best unit in the game) Hardly. He doesn't even promote until there are 4 chapters left in the game, automatically making him horribly weak for a large portion of the game. His special sword has only 20 uses, and he doesn't get that either until 4 chapters from the end of the game. Who's really the moron?
Reikken 4 years ago
You are the moron. Hugh still sucks as
His stats is CRAP.
His growth rate sucks.
Roy is the number one killer without cheating, too. I just send him anyway. Why? Because I only find use of those with Support convos. (Roy/Lilina, Rutger/Clarine, Ray/Sophia).
Now, you go to hell and try to actually TRAIN her. I've made her a level 20 mage then level 20 sage without Arena and Roy level 20 without Arena. How? Because I at least TRAINS my characters!
Kainmaster 4 years ago
Yes, Hugh sucks. I am not denying that at all. I said it myself already.
Roy isn't the only unit with supports, you know. Everyone has them.
You want some actually good units? Try supporting Alan and Lance. Or perhaps Rutger and Deak. Roy isn't sucky or anything, but he's very very far from the best.
Reikken 4 years ago
Now, a unit you have to baby for 20 levels before they stop sucking is not good. At all.
Yay, you can level up a sucky unit and make it become useful later on at the cost of dragging your team down for a while at the beginning. Good for you.
Reikken 4 years ago
ME? I TRAINED HER.
No. She came out horrible from PERSONAL experience and that's all I'm saying. That's just my honest opinion. She's definitely overrated, as you can tell from numerous videos of her being awesome, etc.
I still don't like her.
Is that so wrong?
I agree with Reikken.
Is that so wrong?
I stopped AAing her when Lugh and Hugh were clearly much better in comparison when I checked stats.
Is that so wrong?
Cause +2 magic than other sages doesn't make her uber. That's just my opinion.
Guy5250 3 years ago 2
friken archer is a exicutioner
thexpertrater 4 years ago 2
Lilina is good in normal mode. If you're lucky, she can be fine in hard mode, though I didn't use her during my hard mode playthrough. Reikken just is being over observative. Then again, from what I know, he's one of the top Fire Emblem debaters. Still, I consider Lilina a unit you can use if you want to. I usually ignore what the experts say about particually Nino and Lilina being bad and Marcus being awesome in Fire Emblem 7. I don't get how his slowness is worth using.
Kintenbo 4 years ago
Marcus isn't really worth using the entire game, but he certainly is for the first half or so.
Reikken 4 years ago
Meh, he was helpful in Sword of Seals for training the better units in Hard Mode. In Fire Emblem 7, I suppose he's a good meatsheild in Hard Mode, because by the time your people can promote, he's obsolete. Yeah, the folks are starting to accept Nino due to helping the experiance rank, right? I remember reading that on Fire Emblem Planet. Nino's #1 fan sure hopes so.(I'm Dudeman there)
Kintenbo 4 years ago
Bleh, I've played Fuuin no Tsurugi, and while Lilina may start out rather fragile, her growth potential is huge. She can become an absolute beast, maxing out her magic power and hitting even harder than Lugh. Though I let him use Forblaze, Lilina didn't need it to blast enemies into submission.
Elyseon 4 years ago 2
Her magic power does indeed grow to be very high, but that's all she has. Her speed is low, so she doesn't double much, making for usually less damage despite higher power per hit, and she doesn't dodge well thanks to both that low speed and her affinity, and she obviously has very poor concrete durability.
Reikken 4 years ago
pointless, there are alot of characters in
Fire Emblem that can get killed in one round,
especially when they are level one.
Drake621 4 years ago
Just so you know, that archer is the weakest enemy on the field. The rest of the physical attackers kill her in one hit instead of two.
Sure, there are others who can die in one round from some of the enemies, but very few die in one round from nearly every single enemy on the map they join on, as Lilina does. (500 char limit? h8)
Reikken 4 years ago
Lilina can only survive a round from the ~2 weakest mages. Even Ellen, the staff user with 0 base def, can at least survive a round from about half the enemies, and she doesn't have the advantage of going up against magic users to put her res to use.
Anyway, it's all in fun. This 11 sec clip wasn't intended to seriously prove anything.
Reikken 4 years ago
If it wasn't intended to prove anything, what was the point of making it?
Drake621 4 years ago
Read the sentence right before the last one.
Reikken 4 years ago
"Anyway, it's all in fun"
This can honestly be called "fun"?
Drake621 4 years ago
I get the same crap in my videos dude, every video has to prove something apparently. BTW, I'm Ihatesourkraut on Gamefaqs.
TheAncienRegime 3 years ago 3
Lol Koopas pointing out the obvious
bastion777 4 years ago 2
Reikken...
You are supposed to MOVE Lilina. >_>
PrinceOfKoopas 4 years ago 3
That doesn't change the point, which is that she gets killed in one round by nearly everything. This was just easier. I didn't want to go through the trouble of playing all the way through the chapter just to give her a weapon since weapons don't make her any more durable. It would just show you that her offense sucks as well.
Reikken 4 years ago
It does change the point. It shows you have bad tactics and are lazy. :o
Anyhow, her offense could make her more durable since you could counterattack and kill...
PrinceOfKoopas 4 years ago 5
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Fuck you.
SkullRender 4 years ago
Having good tactics doesn't stop Lilina from being one-rounded.
By your logic durability doesn't matter if you have good tactics. Plus, Lilina won't kill any enemy unless it's set up for her. Also, like Reikken said, she's OHKO'd by a significant amount of enemies.
snpies 4 years ago 2
Having good tactics does stop Lilina from being one-rounded...
Good tactics means don't use Lilina at all in hard mode and to make her avoid the archer for the level. >_>
PrinceOfKoopas 4 years ago 2
Indeed. The point of this video is to show you how crappy a unit she is, and how hard it will be to level her.
However, you never said that in your post, and you even said offense increases her durability..
snpies 4 years ago
Well, it does.
If Lilina will be doubled and killed, but she has a Thunder tome which can counter attack and kill the enemy...
Lilina gets hit. Lilina counters. Enemy dies.
Lilina lives. And perhaps levels up since she is too under-leveled. :o
Compared to Lilina gets hit. Lilina stands like moron. Enemy attacks again. Lilina dies and Ostia is screwed.
PrinceOfKoopas 4 years ago 2
The chances of Lilina killing with a thunder tome while being so underlevelled is extremely slim. It'll only happen when you set it up for her. The fact that she can even be killed in one round, regardless of whether she can kill the enemy or not (which she can't 99% of the time) is a massive disadvantage. Plus, let's just say she does kill the enemy. Chances are, there's more than one enemy attacing your party, and if that one enemy got to Lilina, another one will likely finish her off.
snpies 4 years ago
But nay. The goal for that level that Lilina is on is for her to avoid all enemies until being saved by Roy, and then seize. So you'll only have to deal with that archer, unless you move Lilina. :|
PrinceOfKoopas 4 years ago
Indeed.
Other than that, screw Lilina.
Snpies2 4 years ago
I had Lilina kill Leygance. o.o Lugh criticaled with Thunder 3 times, and then Lilina criticaled with Thunder. :D
sephxcloud 4 years ago
Honestly, the Durandal is worth saving Lilina for. After that she can just benchwarm if you don't like her. She's no Dieck or Percival, that's for sure.
TimPowerGamer 3 years ago 2
diek is pretty mediocre
omgkittensmeowmeow 3 years ago