I was a Mormon for 33 yrs. until I actually read and studied the Bible. Whatever Mormon thinks the Bible and Book of Mormon goes hand in hand has never studied the Bible. The Bible is actually in opposition to nearly ever doctrine of the LDS church. I pray that the veil will be lifted on all Mormons so they will put their complete faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and thus becoming saved and a child of God.
I've got a secret that you all might like to hear. Do you want to hear the secret? Ok! A personal God doesn't exist and the after life is probably just wishful thinking. Happy camping :D
The repetition of the questioning (asking the same question more than once or starting multiple questions with "can I ask you") is known to cause agitation. I attribute this to the great lessons of John Cleese: how to irritate people :D
I'M A FORMER Mormon missionary, and apologist (defender of the Church against anti-Mormon attacks). I wrote a book defending the Church ("The Gainsayers"). The evidence is 100% against the Church being true.I left in '96. I am now a Daheshist, a follower of Dr. Dahesh (1912-1984), the miracle-working prophet of Lebanon. He raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, etc. For further info on Doctor Dahesh and His Teachings email me: darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT com
MORMONISM IS NOT A CHRISTIAN RELIGION! FOLKS, BE CAREFUL THAT YOU ARE NOT LEAD IN TO THE DECEPTION OF THIS PROVEN FALSE RELIGION!
I read this book and highly reccomend it for everyone who is looking in to this blasphemous religion that can take your soul to hell. The author grew up in the Mormon Church and it is a completely FALSE RELIGION! Read the book CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS?
There has NEVER been either Jewish nor Christian beliefs in polytheism. As a Jew I find LDS theology in no way connected to my poeple except in one, and that is when Children of Israel believed in other "gods" that were not true gods at all. Polytheism is NOT Jewsih nor Christian period end of story.
This topic is wrongheaded. Christians will receive worship in a certain sense. See Revelation 3:9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of those who say they are Jews, and they are not, but lie. Behold, I will make them to come and WORSHIP before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Jesus gave us one new commandment and it was to love one another. but if you dont pay a full tithe, mormons dont love you, if your gay, mormons dont love you. if you dont follow the mormon "commandments" they dont love you. are they really the church of Jesus Christ? stfu
God never sinned just like Jesus never sinned, Jesus said I do nothing save that which I have seen my Father do. & no we will not be God's in the exact same way.
Why does it matter what 2/3rds believe.I have had conversations with many christians and at least 2/3rds if not more don't speak as true christians. So I guess that lack of knowledge or understanding can be found within all faiths.
FYI this interviewer is asking this man to speculate this is not doctrine it is this mans opinion.
i watched the mormon banned cartoon... lol. no wonder mormons want their less popular beliefs hidden... cause its bullshit, unfortunately these people are sucked in too far like harold camping followers
It's all gobbledygook to me. I hear two prisoners in chains sitting in the same cell, sharing chains- making the arguments about some pie-in the-sky dream of how they'll exclusively get released some day. Two human philosophies arguing details that are such vague concepts; God can't be proven in the first place- now we're debating "fantastic" (fantasy) notions. If Martians landed here they'd say you (both) sound exactly alike. And they'd say you're both crazy too, while they were at it.
I don't understand why the interveiwers and the interviewees are wasting there time. Its clear that both sides aren't giving in and both sides have valid points. So all it is in cotention and satan is the father of cotention. so i think no matter who is right this debate is wrong.
"Debate with a Mormon" YouTube video is a sham they do not want an open discussion, when you go to post you get a pending review notice! they claim they want open discussion but then the shut people out with opposing arguments!!
when god was a man it is possible that he had committed sin, but he could not have become a god with out having forsaken those sins and having received forgiveness of those sins! the whole reason for the atonement is to provide us with a way for our sins to be forgiven. to balance the scales of justice!
These are good questions you are asking, if somewhat confrontational. The following quotation, I think, sums up the answer to your question. "God is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens." --Joseph Smith
"I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee".
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
this video is a waste of time. both sides created a enviorment where the spirit could not dwell. one came in with no intent to actually find out anything but in fact try to tear down anything that this man could say wrong. the other side argued and pushed the spirit out farther. he forgot its not him that teaches and opens hearts, but the spirit
"Heaven is not a breeding ground for mortals" says the Christian healer Mary Baker Eddy. But the churches of material sense continues to hold high carnival and reinvent the true meaning of Christianity. Would Mormon priestcraft welcome Jesus if he insists, as the Word declares, "I am come to destroy the works of birth.... Blessed are the wombs that never bare, and the paps that never gave suck"? Would he not be shunned by all who testify that Mormon is the way, the truth and the life?
@RetCrayon The list illustrates how evagelical leaders have exploited their priviledged position in the name of Jesus Christ. Yes and the LDS church has a few problem members but to date the excommunication among general authorities has been low in comparison in last 100 years. So I am going to demure from calling you silly and say put your camera or your DAT to better use and go and help somebody in "need" because we dont "need" this kind of hamfisted nonsense.
I think some of these guys might be better suited to your message here is a list of disgraced christian evangelist leaders - they may be in real need of your help. I am sure the rather pleasant fellow you harassed has a rather wonderful relationship with the Lord.
List of disgraced Christian Evangelists Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s Billy James Hargis, early 1970s Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991 Peter Popoff, 1987 Mike Warnke, 1991 Robert Tilton, 1991 Frank Houston, 2000 John Paulk, 2000 Paul Crouch, 2004 Douglas Goodman, 2004 Kent Hovind, 2006 Ted Haggard, 2006-Paul Barnes, 2006 Lonnie Latham, 2006 Richard Roberts, 2007 Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007 Coy Privette, 2007 Joe Barron, 2008 Todd Bentley, 2008 Tony Alamo, 2008
@RetCrayon I don't think you're in any position to call someone silly, please take time to review your own content it is an appalling piece. I suggest you focus on getting your own flock in order before you start agitating harmless and 'gentil' (the French) members of the LDS Church. Perhaps you could do a piece on why Pat Robertson didnt use his divine powers to deflect the latest series of hurricanes.
@weezrfan009, you sound pretty angry at me. Not sure if you live in the SLC Valley, but if you do, I'd be glad to take you out for a friendly lunch sometime. I'll pay. Grace and peace.
@aaronshaf2006 i actually sent a message last night apologizing but it must not have shown. yes i was quick to anger but i am human, and it does really offend me when people try to make my religion and friends look like fools. thats not how Christ would have done it. So hey, sorry if i came off rude or angry. Just try to not put down or convince us that we are living a lie cause i personally have asked God with real intent to know if it was true and I got my answer. we can both be christians :)
@weezrfan009 If it helps, most of the time evangelistic conversations aren't like this one in the video. Most of them are more personal, friendly conversations. You say, "t try to not put down or convince us that we are living a lie", but how can you ask me that if I really do believe you are living a lie? :-( The Jesus of Mormonism is far different than the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is the Almighty God who created everything, who offers forgiveness as an immediate, free gift.
@aaronshaf2006 That is your opinion that we are living a lie. I can back it up from the bible just as well as you can. The thing that differs from us is the fact that im not asking you to "prove" us wrong with any scripture. Go beyond that and do as God wants you to do, namely pray to him for guidance with no bias toward any church. God has the only right answer you can recieve. I've done it, so i personally know it is true and can never be disuaded. I know that Jesus is the Christ, our Savior.
@rockman4417 your missing the point. you say you need proof that my religon is true, so did the pharises in Jesus's day. Jesus told them to follow Him, and they wouldnt listen. They let their traditions and scriptures become, if you will, a mental block that blinded them from the truth they thouhgt they knew. They could not understand that GOD WORKS TODAY AS WELL AS YESTERDAY. nowhere in the bible does Jesus say that you need proof, not my spirit. dont harden your heart against Him for proof
@weezrfan009..."That is your opinion that we are living a lie" Of course all Protestants do...the lie that you're talking about started in Rome when the Romans picked Peter as "their" first Bishop of Rome (Pope) without the knowledge of the other Apostles. BTW, the interview/video is full of speculations on your part & it was just a waste of time. God bless
@aaronshaf2006 Evangelical Jesus absolutely does NOT offer forgiveness as a free gift. It is neither free, nor a gift. Just think of the insanity you promote, aaron, rather than just bleet the xtian buzz words, catch phrases, and throw-away philosophy you hear in church. If Jesus created us, and is all knowing, they he holds total responsibility for our short-comings. There is nothing for which we need be forgiven. Also, threatening your children with eternal torture is hardly a "free" bargain.
@aaronshaf2006 You are wrong. The Jesus Christ Mormons worship is born of Mary. He raised Lazarus from the dead. He was with The Father in the beginning and He created the earth and all things under the direction of His Father. He paid for our sins and has mercy for all who repent. We believe in the same Christ you do so please stop lying to the world and spreading your lies. Stop fighting and study the scriptures and maybe seek the truth we have been given and you may learn a thing or 2 pal!
@aaronshaf2006 It sounds like youre pretty interested in having theological discussions. I'd be more than happy to direct some questions at your beliefs and see if you can defend any of them with science and reason. So, aaron, assuming you are all about knowing how the world really works, and not just promoting some bronze age superstition, how can you account for most of the bible finding either no support in science, or flatly disproven by it?
Does this give you some sort of sick pleasure trying to put down others religons? So if you claim to be Christian (your acts suggest otherwise) I suggest you do something better with your time like reading the scriptures to uplift and teach you how to be Christ-like rather than as a tool to destroy others views on God.
@aaronshaf2006isnt trying to "expose" the mormon church by confronting them with questions and trapping them in their words and putting them on youtube for everyone to see, one of Satan's tactics? I cant recall Jesus every "tricking" anyone to believe Him. And you know maybe I'm wrong, but what if you are? think of how many of God's children you have turned astray with your videos? We both believe something different, but people need to respect and be tolerant of others.
@aaronshaf2006 And hey, I know you think you know everything about us, but have you sincerly asked God with real intent on knowing if it was true? I have, and spent 2 years of my life teaching it to families and individuals and watched them as they came to know Jesus and how is atonment was for everyone of us. I saw change, real change, in those peoples lives. I believe Jesus wont condemn for that. The invitation goes out to you too brother.
@weezrfan09 - Just because you don't like the message of how mormonism is a false gospel does not make us haters. We are speaking to the intent of the organization itself and the teachings of the so-called prophets, NOT how believers in said teachings are stoopid or ignorant. Don't take it personally and don't shoot the messenger. Being born-again through the teachings of the Bible is the ONLY way to the Father, through His grace and His Son. PERIOD. Everything else is a false gospel.
@weezrfan09 I think you forgot to mention that the BOM clearly tells us that all churches on the face of the earth, other than the LDS, of course, are an abomination before the Mormon god and are founded by Satan.
What you want is the respect that your religion does not give, and you need to learn that.
@weezrfan09 Are you serious? have you read what the LDS leaders like Joe Smith, Brigham Young etc..against the Christianty? stop deflecting the real issue and that theLDS claim to be the "Restored Church" when in fact it's a polygamist,polytheistic,racsit etcc... church and it can be proven with LDS publications(there own sources) so please.Grow up and take the issues directly not the typical cult evasion tactic.
he's exactly right, God has so much in store for us we cannot even comprehend it. The atonement will do everything the word implies, he will make us at-one with the Father.
We could go back in time to ancient Rome and have a similar debate with an old polytheist about Jupiter, king of the gods. I can picture the old man in a robe outside of some pagan temple.
because we are his children. He is our heavenly father. THE LIVING GOD. OUR GOD. Its not like we're worshipping someone who was on earth. we''re worshipping THE GOD. Just because the church has more info than others doesn't make it crazy and wrong.
According to Mormons, God is just an exalted man. I would not worship a man exalted or not, goes against every fiber of my being.
I think that is why Mormons do not really WORSHIP God, but only pay him lip service. How can anyone truly worship someone who was once a man just like themselves.
That guy sure talked a lot without saying anything. I couldn't tell if he simply didn't understand the question or if he was deliberately sidestepping it. Maybe he's trying to "answer the question the interviewer should have asked" as another Mormon leader once said.
....understand that I alone am God. There is no other God; there never has been and never will be.-Isaiah 43:10.
....I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.-Isaiah 44:6.
....is there any other God? No!...-Isa.44:8
There are no other 'great-grandfather gods' in other universes being worshiped in other galaxies. You will not become a God/god one day on your own planet with your Goddess wife having spirit children for all eternity. Why not? Re-read God's Words.
@sldeyo FOR US. there is no other god. We worship Our heavenly father, no idles, no golden calves. He is OUR god. He created us. he is our only heavenly father
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.-Hbr.4:14,15.
That question at 5:14-5:25 Brilliant! That guy didn't know how to answer that question and I can litterally hear his blood pressure going up. Seed planted! Glory be to God!
go old mormon guy! He did a good job answering the questions with reason and dignity. I dont agree with him on all things.
Christians believe men who sin can become better. It doesnt matter what god once was or has been. He is perfect now, and he has been perfect since long before he concieved us, so that is all that matters. We worship a heavenly celestial father who is perfect. We are sinners, and god has promised us that through faith and charity we too can become perfect.
@aaronshaf2006 I am no spokesmen for the church. Heck im not even a member of the church. There is a difference between a sinner and one who has sinned. Christ sinned, god sinned, but they became perfect through the repentance process and therefore are not sinners. I do not have the power to become perfect on my own, so i need christ. Christ is my saviour. Until I am redeemed and saved at the final judgement, I remain, as all men, a sinner.
@aaronshaf2006 I believe that sin is any action that is not PERFECTLY godly. Christ's agony in the garden constituted the depth of that sin, as well as the perfect remission and ultimately the atonement, but to achieve that forgiveness and perfection, he had first to wish for an easy way out. For various reasons, we don't know hardly any of his sins. However, regardless of whether or not he sinned, he died for my sins and is my savior. Compared to that all else is of little importance.
@chia412 perfection does not come in a single state, but rather in a progressive growth. stagnation is not perfection; growth and betterment is. God is good, and he is always getting better. This growth and betterment spans eternities. God is perfect. There is no room for improvement in perfection, when in fact the maximum improvement is the perfection in question. God has achieved that maximum velocity of improvement; that perfection.
THanks for the interview. I don't know why people are getting mad at it. The questions are coherent and challenging, which SHOULD be a good thing, if it is a "true" religion.
OK...The guy asking the questions was overbearing and obsessed with hearing ONLY the answers he wanted to hear...he kept pressing and making a fool of himself.
He was not listening, he was just being a dick.
It seemed like he was trying th force the "feisty" Mormon (who sounded saner and more focused that the interviewer) to say some specific phrase.
Making fun of Mormons and openly confronting them like this guy was doing is nonproductive.
Or people with your attitude should be (?)...wish the choice was mine to make.
I would rather face the possibility of MILLIONS of Mormons alive and well (odd as they sometimes are) than face the fact that people like you want people dead because of a belief.
I'm 7:00 minutes into this and haven't heard anything feisty yet. I'm not a Mormon apologist I just hate dishonest, disappointing video titles. Should I even bother listening to the other 11 minutes?
I'm surprised he answered these questions with someone who keeps trying to interrupt in the background. I was interested in his strange answers, not some heckler interrupting him.
God's not an evolved man! God created the ideas of what we know as time, space, thoughts & the very ideas of things like the senses of touch, hearing & sight... It is SORT OF like comparing Beethoven to a COCKROACH jumping on a snare drum & saying someday THAT cockroach can learn to play music WELL ENOUGH to evolve into a amazingly gifted bipedal mammal musician with thumbs similar to Beethoven in many ways, but named Harold & blonde, & living in a different country w/different cockroach fans.
@EmBeesWeb I should've said ''BARELY like'' instead of ''SORT OF like''. But even slightly comparing God to Beethoven EXTREMELY DEGRADES the creator of ALL MATTER that ever existed ANYWHERE. I wanted to help people & don't know a better way to put it yet. So, may God forgive me for comparing him to a mere human musical genius, whom he created, & who's accomplishments God deserves the credit for. Plus, Beethoven didn't create, love, suffer & die for all cockroaches while they each hated him.
Mormonism is nothing more than another new age religion based on original Kaballah and gnostic ideas. This guy is no different than any other devoted mormon. What the Bible says doesn't really matter, because it wasn't the Bible that lead them into it.
The LDS person that said the interviewers are like the Pharisees that tried to trip up Jesus is 100% correct. Most of the questions they are throwing out are things we do not know right now and it is not necessary to our salvation to know. They are only trying to confuse people. Bottom line is the LDS Church is true and the Book of Mormon is true.
@LDStothecore You said, "Most of the questions they are throwing out are things we do not know right now and it is not necessary to our salvation to know" -- Are you including whether or not God the Father was perhaps once a wretched, unworthy, horrific, unclean sinner who needed to receive the atonement of a savior other than Jesus?
@LDStothecore Oh my gosh this man won't answer any of the questions because He knows if he does he's busted. Everything that he's saying is pure blasphemy. Jesus ALREADY is the everlasting God of the entire universe and he's the only God.
@LDStothecore you can speak with the angle moroni on the ouija board and he will clearly tell you that he was a fallen angle. the thing is that thay tryed to trip up Jesus but Jesus came at them with scriptures. you try comming at christians with a false book from a 33rd degree free mason in which thay worship the devil and you never win a debate because we keep it Bible and you keep trying to quote joseph smith and his demon. . Follow JESUS not josheph.
Let me get this straight. So god had ancestors. There are other universes. There are other gods out there in different universes who are worshipped by other human beings? If humans are capable of becoming a gods, what happens to the main god in the particular universe? Is he on top of the tree?
Why would any religion take so much time away from learning and focusing on what is important? Why pass judgment on other religions? Any religion that takes so much time to say what they think other people believe really has lost the true faith in God. God he will be the one to say who is correct.
The religious institutes who condemn other religions need to remember that Jesus was crucified because he had the truth but no that was not allowed
@praestant8, you say you "believe" in the New Testament "for sure" and the saving blood of Christ. What do you base your belief on? Have you handled ancient manuscripts and seen them for yourself? Did you pray to God to get that belief? You criticize me for my beliefs yet you can't substantiate your own "belief." Why?
I believe in the New Testament for sure and the saving blood of Christ. There are parts of the Old Testament I'm not so sure about. I'm not a Biblical literalist so I don't get hung up on minutia like evangelicals do. In terms of a figure about 75%. How, logic. I'm not fully convinced by evidence God exists but with what still survives from Biblical times, there is some possibility there. Is that a direct enough answer for ya?
@praestant8 -- If you're not fully certain God exists, have you tried praying to Him with a sincere heart and real intent? I'll tell ya my observation is that the combination of heart and mind and give one the conviction that God lives.
This video is very reveling, Mormons actually do not believe what they are taught but only know how to tell what other Mormons have told them. When the question is asked they answer only with what they are programmed to believe. This is so scary and I feel sorrier for the LDS than before. They want so badly to have a god like this than accept the truth. They break the second commandment all the time trying to create there perfect god.
isn't it ironic that with all of the ranting of the us only churches about us terrible old denominations and our confusion, the one thing we all agree on is they THEY, i.e. the cults (Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnessism, Scientology, universalism and the like) are not preaching the truth! We may not always agree on exactly what is true in every instance, but we are united in our desire to see the cults ended and their members saved by faith in Jesus.
wow, he simply refuses to answer the questions directly.. Yes, that sounds like most LDS people I speak to The word create means to make something from nothing, now while it is true that God made Adam from dirt, He created that dirt from nothing, and he also creates the atoms and genes that we are now made of, so we are created, not born as spirit children. If it were possible for God to have been a sinner at some point, He could not be perfect, thus He is not God, and they know this deep down
Mormons follow a Jesus of Josephs making. They do not accept a "Biblical" Jesus Christ. For Mormons it is not "Jesus Christ" they worship it is "Joseph's Christ" they believe. Joseph's Christ is not defined by the bible but by Joseph Smith the False Prophet.
The old boy handled that better than most Mormons I've met. I've watched them squirm with embarrassment every time this stuff comes up. They always try to jump the topic. You would think the utter humiliation of this fantastical nonsense that they foolishly defend would shame them to their senses, but it doesn't. They just slip into autopilot and 'testimony control'. We can only pray that the seeds of doubt some day flower into repentance and a call on the name of the LORD to be saved. Thanks.
It's a good question because there is quite a bit in LDS doctrines and writings besides eternal progression, e.g., Kolob, blackness of skin for sin, marriage for the dead etc. But in particular I was referring to the eternal progression implications...jesus becomes god the father and his first begotton son is the next saviour in a new universe and new earth and so and so forth and so back...
@RPM11111 Kolob is the name of a star which is the closest star to where God dwells. We do not know where it is and I believe it is much too far away to see, if we did.
@RPM11111 I do not believe that God has cursed anyone with skin color change. I do believe that in times past He used many methods, including skin color, to separate populations that he wanted separate possibly due to sin. This is no longer His desire.
@krkr8m But it's still a doctrine of the church. Unless it's removed from the BoM it is still part of Mormon doctrine. Did you recieve a personal witness from an angel that it is no longer God's desire - or is this a caveat to modern society and political correctness?
@krkr8m Have you even read your own BoM, D&C, Pearl of Great Price? It's there just like polygamy is still there (sect. 132). Read it for yourself. You just want to deceive yourself in to believing your church and its mortal leaders will never be wrong.
@RPM11111 We believe that marriage is an ordinance reserved for mortality though the bond is extended into eternity if performed with the true authority of Jesus Christ. Anyone who does not perform this ordinance performed or have it performed for them in mortality will be required to exist into eternity without it. We believe it is a great blessing to have this bond in eternity.
@krkr8m Without this earthly marriage ceremony, you cannot live with God. Biblically, the Lords work was sufficient to allow all believers to live in the same house as the Father.
@awolLDSasap Yes, true believers are allowed to live in the same house as the father. They still must walk in. Christ has provided the path, and through our action we must walk it to enter. Faith and Works.
@RPM11111 Eternal progression is the method by which we can become as God is now. Since we are His, any progress we achieve is His as well. Hevenly Father and Jesus Christ will always be greater than any of us, at minimum to the same degree that they are now, since we are literally theirs. We will allways worship God alone.
@awolLDSasap That is 100% true... I also believe that God can be counted on to hold up His end of a covenant 100% of the time. That is the guarantee of eternal progression when you truely follow the Savior.
@krkr8m Are you aware there is only 1 everlasting covenant? Jesus made the everlasting covenant for us. There are no other covenants recognized by God. Being lds most of my life, I know the doctrines. I found in Biblical verse, no mortal will ever share the identity of God. Biblically, there has never been a council or eternal progression of Gods. God is holy and infinitely unique. He is alone within his infinite nature.
@krkr8m A real God is uncreated, and literally creates from nothing. The Bible teaches that only God was in the Beginning, He called everything else that does exist into existence. You can not create something to have no beginning, if it has a beginning. The Mormon gods, are nice puny idol men gods, that can be fully understood, comprehended etc. The real God is bigger than we can fathom.
@krkr8m And the lovely little couplet "As man is God once was; as God is man may become" is 100 % Biblically contradictory. Don't you see the logical fallacy in your statement? You can't be as God is now and be lesser than God is. Otherwise you aren't as God is!
@praestant8 My sons can become like I am now, yet they will never be the same as I am in a moment. When one becomes a parent I become a grandparent. it is not that complicated.
@krkr8m Sorry, but we aren't all instantly God's "children." He only begot one son. There is nothing Biblically to support that you will become as God is. This is a Mormon ideal only. Sorry, doesn't make you more Christian - in fact it makes you less of one in that whole debate.
...If there can be only one begotten son it would be impossible for all to progress onto godhood if we as children of christ go to the next creation with him. The Bible declares that Jesus Christ created all things (Col 1:15-16; John 1:3). So would he have to make the new universe or would his first begotten son do it? What of all these people who weren't first begotten sons, how could they ever progress onto godhood?...
...Of course all this is based on what the mormon said in the video. Read 1 Cor 2:9 and you will see why I think eternal progression is fantastical nonsense!!! However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" Yet mormons claim their minds have conceived it.
@RPM11111 Well if even a fraction of his story is indeed true we have to question how the angels were. I wonder if he didn't know about that secret handshake to determine good angels from bad angels then.
@RPM11111 We cannot fully grasp it. In fact our understanding of what God has prepared is infinitesimally small. Yet we still must bear testimony of what little we do know. In my opinion what he has prepared is everything good that any mortal human could ever imagine plus much, much more.
No human, or created being, is, or ever will be worthy of worship. The uncreated God, Who created all that is, is fully worthy of worship. We cannot even fully comprehend DNA or seeds, or the universe. God not only fully comprehends it all, He created it all. God is worthy of worship, because He is infinitely beyond anything that we ever could be.
I'll tell you a simple reason why Mormon theology makes no sense - the Bible says that God was so angry with our sin that he sought to destroy the whole world were it not for one righteous man - Noah - who was saved in the flood. That tells you that God could not have been a sinner once long ago in another life. "For all fall short" of God, "Not one is rigtheous" - this is from the same Bible. Thank you for this video, it proved to me Mormons are not Christians. This is blasphemy.
The dude asking the questions is just stupid. Anybody that does this with the purpose of entrapping somebody, deserves their own special place in hell, but if it were me, I would walk away. It was obvious in the first few moments that this was a trap.
Two theists fighting..... it's like Mr Puke and Mr Shit going to a Lynderd Skynerd cover band concert, and the lead singer looks at the BOTH, and sings "Ohhh that smellllll can you smellllllll that smellllll".
The mormon guy in the video doesn't understand the atonement. All people are already supposed to be God's children - we don't become them throught the atonement. It's that our sins are forgiven through the atonement. "in this universe"... There are other universes? What? That's a new one.
Wow!!! Why would anyone want their kids to worship them as god? That would take away the Glory from the ONE TRUE GOD. When he lifts us up through his blood it doesn't mean we will be God. And when he was asked if that was a "YES" or "NO" he doesn't say. Why is that so hard for him to say YEA or NAY on that question. Mormons always sidestep with the "We will be like Him". What they really mean is "He was God so we will be God too"
@KakkoiGuy1 Read C. S. Lewis "The Screwtape Letters" chapter 8. Would a righteous father want less for their children than they themselves have? If God Himself desires that His children have all that He has, is He not sufficient to provide the opportunity?
@krkr8m Wrong answer. God wants us to have an intimate relationship with Him. That's what MY BIBLE says. My BIBLE says that God wants no other gods before HIm and that there is no other God before nor after Him. He says that HE KNOWS OF NO OTHER GOD. You will find that in Isaiah chapters 43, 44, 45. So you see, you have a really big issue when you say that he wants us to be gods. That my friend, is Idolatry and it's the lie of the serpent in the Garden.
So HE will never provide an opportunity for us to be gods. What questions did the Mormon man answer? None really. At least not with a Yes or No. What questions did he ask? I'm sure Aaron would have been more than willing to answer the questions but at the same time the LDS guy was not being honest in response. He knows not Jesus..at least not the Biblical Jesus.
@KakkoiGuy1 Well if they didn't beat around the bush they would be called on the carpet for not being Christian. So they can't answer any theological or doctrinal question directly, partially because any answer given has to be extrapolated from a number of other sources in the LDS church, and also because they are trying to be accepted as a main stream Christian faith to bolster its membership roster, which of course they are not.
@praestant8 Amen! You hit the nail right on the head. This push to be more Christian is horrific. I'm sick of it. The reason being, if you ask them about other Christians, they will quickly say that others don't have the fullness of the Gospel and the LDS church does. I'm so sick of them crying like people are bashing them when from the First Vision Smitty gave the first blow. They have two faces. The one they want the public to see that tries to be Christian (tries...key word)
I was a Mormon for 33 yrs. until I actually read and studied the Bible. Whatever Mormon thinks the Bible and Book of Mormon goes hand in hand has never studied the Bible. The Bible is actually in opposition to nearly ever doctrine of the LDS church. I pray that the veil will be lifted on all Mormons so they will put their complete faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and thus becoming saved and a child of God.
hanesdm 1 week ago
ugh 18 minutes of blasphemy
blakodeel 2 weeks ago
I've got a secret that you all might like to hear. Do you want to hear the secret? Ok! A personal God doesn't exist and the after life is probably just wishful thinking. Happy camping :D
GiveCourage 3 weeks ago
The repetition of the questioning (asking the same question more than once or starting multiple questions with "can I ask you") is known to cause agitation. I attribute this to the great lessons of John Cleese: how to irritate people :D
GiveCourage 3 weeks ago
I'M A FORMER Mormon missionary, and apologist (defender of the Church against anti-Mormon attacks). I wrote a book defending the Church ("The Gainsayers"). The evidence is 100% against the Church being true.I left in '96. I am now a Daheshist, a follower of Dr. Dahesh (1912-1984), the miracle-working prophet of Lebanon. He raised the dead, healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, etc. For further info on Doctor Dahesh and His Teachings email me: darrick_evenson AT yahoo DOT com
mrdarrickevenson 1 month ago
All you need is to read the Bible, then you would know that all of this is rubbish.
jeanniem76 2 months ago
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certainlytruthful 2 months ago
There has NEVER been either Jewish nor Christian beliefs in polytheism. As a Jew I find LDS theology in no way connected to my poeple except in one, and that is when Children of Israel believed in other "gods" that were not true gods at all. Polytheism is NOT Jewsih nor Christian period end of story.
Gideon6640man 4 months ago
why ask questions none of us can know till after this life. just be peaceful and love others. seriously.
tmur03 4 months ago
This topic is wrongheaded. Christians will receive worship in a certain sense. See Revelation 3:9 Behold, I give of the synagogue of Satan, of those who say they are Jews, and they are not, but lie. Behold, I will make them to come and WORSHIP before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
bill4long 5 months ago
Does anybody still believe that Mormonism is Christianity?
zfan2591 6 months ago
Jesus gave us one new commandment and it was to love one another. but if you dont pay a full tithe, mormons dont love you, if your gay, mormons dont love you. if you dont follow the mormon "commandments" they dont love you. are they really the church of Jesus Christ? stfu
livasdad 6 months ago
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Gis1able 6 months ago
God never sinned just like Jesus never sinned, Jesus said I do nothing save that which I have seen my Father do. & no we will not be God's in the exact same way.
Why does it matter what 2/3rds believe.I have had conversations with many christians and at least 2/3rds if not more don't speak as true christians. So I guess that lack of knowledge or understanding can be found within all faiths.
FYI this interviewer is asking this man to speculate this is not doctrine it is this mans opinion.
peaceliberty4all 6 months ago 3
i watched the mormon banned cartoon... lol. no wonder mormons want their less popular beliefs hidden... cause its bullshit, unfortunately these people are sucked in too far like harold camping followers
delli2011 7 months ago
It's all gobbledygook to me. I hear two prisoners in chains sitting in the same cell, sharing chains- making the arguments about some pie-in the-sky dream of how they'll exclusively get released some day. Two human philosophies arguing details that are such vague concepts; God can't be proven in the first place- now we're debating "fantastic" (fantasy) notions. If Martians landed here they'd say you (both) sound exactly alike. And they'd say you're both crazy too, while they were at it.
Kclaybond 8 months ago
I don't understand why the interveiwers and the interviewees are wasting there time. Its clear that both sides aren't giving in and both sides have valid points. So all it is in cotention and satan is the father of cotention. so i think no matter who is right this debate is wrong.
cossakman101 8 months ago
"Debate with a Mormon" YouTube video is a sham they do not want an open discussion, when you go to post you get a pending review notice! they claim they want open discussion but then the shut people out with opposing arguments!!
ABGAN100 9 months ago
when god was a man it is possible that he had committed sin, but he could not have become a god with out having forsaken those sins and having received forgiveness of those sins! the whole reason for the atonement is to provide us with a way for our sins to be forgiven. to balance the scales of justice!
ABGAN100 9 months ago
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but isn't "prior eternity" a logical contridiction in terms?
gurumagoo 9 months ago
Idk why he couldn't give you a straight answer
bobbyraejohnson 9 months ago
These are good questions you are asking, if somewhat confrontational. The following quotation, I think, sums up the answer to your question. "God is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens." --Joseph Smith
coryjor 10 months ago
"I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee".
Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
DocHoliday1882 10 months ago
this video is a waste of time. both sides created a enviorment where the spirit could not dwell. one came in with no intent to actually find out anything but in fact try to tear down anything that this man could say wrong. the other side argued and pushed the spirit out farther. he forgot its not him that teaches and opens hearts, but the spirit
gcraka33 11 months ago
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"Heaven is not a breeding ground for mortals" says the Christian healer Mary Baker Eddy. But the churches of material sense continues to hold high carnival and reinvent the true meaning of Christianity. Would Mormon priestcraft welcome Jesus if he insists, as the Word declares, "I am come to destroy the works of birth.... Blessed are the wombs that never bare, and the paps that never gave suck"? Would he not be shunned by all who testify that Mormon is the way, the truth and the life?
Lovingvictory1 11 months ago
@RetCrayon The list illustrates how evagelical leaders have exploited their priviledged position in the name of Jesus Christ. Yes and the LDS church has a few problem members but to date the excommunication among general authorities has been low in comparison in last 100 years. So I am going to demure from calling you silly and say put your camera or your DAT to better use and go and help somebody in "need" because we dont "need" this kind of hamfisted nonsense.
letgetrealok 11 months ago
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SplintarShards 1 year ago
I think some of these guys might be better suited to your message here is a list of disgraced christian evangelist leaders - they may be in real need of your help. I am sure the rather pleasant fellow you harassed has a rather wonderful relationship with the Lord.
letgetrealok 1 year ago
List of disgraced Christian Evangelists Lonnie Frisbee, 1970s–1980s Billy James Hargis, early 1970s Jim & Tammy Bakker and Jimmy Swaggart, 1986 and 1991 Peter Popoff, 1987 Mike Warnke, 1991 Robert Tilton, 1991 Frank Houston, 2000 John Paulk, 2000 Paul Crouch, 2004 Douglas Goodman, 2004 Kent Hovind, 2006 Ted Haggard, 2006-Paul Barnes, 2006 Lonnie Latham, 2006 Richard Roberts, 2007 Bishop Earl Paulk, 2007 Coy Privette, 2007 Joe Barron, 2008 Todd Bentley, 2008 Tony Alamo, 2008
letgetrealok 1 year ago
@letgetrealok Should we bring out all of the mormons who have done worse things? lol Silly mormon.
RetCrayon 11 months ago
@RetCrayon I don't think you're in any position to call someone silly, please take time to review your own content it is an appalling piece. I suggest you focus on getting your own flock in order before you start agitating harmless and 'gentil' (the French) members of the LDS Church. Perhaps you could do a piece on why Pat Robertson didnt use his divine powers to deflect the latest series of hurricanes.
letgetrealok 11 months ago
@weezrfan009, you sound pretty angry at me. Not sure if you live in the SLC Valley, but if you do, I'd be glad to take you out for a friendly lunch sometime. I'll pay. Grace and peace.
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 i actually sent a message last night apologizing but it must not have shown. yes i was quick to anger but i am human, and it does really offend me when people try to make my religion and friends look like fools. thats not how Christ would have done it. So hey, sorry if i came off rude or angry. Just try to not put down or convince us that we are living a lie cause i personally have asked God with real intent to know if it was true and I got my answer. we can both be christians :)
weezrfan009 1 year ago
@weezrfan009 If it helps, most of the time evangelistic conversations aren't like this one in the video. Most of them are more personal, friendly conversations. You say, "t try to not put down or convince us that we are living a lie", but how can you ask me that if I really do believe you are living a lie? :-( The Jesus of Mormonism is far different than the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is the Almighty God who created everything, who offers forgiveness as an immediate, free gift.
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 That is your opinion that we are living a lie. I can back it up from the bible just as well as you can. The thing that differs from us is the fact that im not asking you to "prove" us wrong with any scripture. Go beyond that and do as God wants you to do, namely pray to him for guidance with no bias toward any church. God has the only right answer you can recieve. I've done it, so i personally know it is true and can never be disuaded. I know that Jesus is the Christ, our Savior.
weezrfan009 1 year ago
@weezrfan009 You don't win any discussions by bearing your testimony. You say you can back these points up with Bible scripture, then do so!
rockman4417 1 year ago
@rockman4417 your missing the point. you say you need proof that my religon is true, so did the pharises in Jesus's day. Jesus told them to follow Him, and they wouldnt listen. They let their traditions and scriptures become, if you will, a mental block that blinded them from the truth they thouhgt they knew. They could not understand that GOD WORKS TODAY AS WELL AS YESTERDAY. nowhere in the bible does Jesus say that you need proof, not my spirit. dont harden your heart against Him for proof
weezrfan009 1 year ago
@weezrfan009..."That is your opinion that we are living a lie" Of course all Protestants do...the lie that you're talking about started in Rome when the Romans picked Peter as "their" first Bishop of Rome (Pope) without the knowledge of the other Apostles. BTW, the interview/video is full of speculations on your part & it was just a waste of time. God bless
leSavaii 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 Evangelical Jesus absolutely does NOT offer forgiveness as a free gift. It is neither free, nor a gift. Just think of the insanity you promote, aaron, rather than just bleet the xtian buzz words, catch phrases, and throw-away philosophy you hear in church. If Jesus created us, and is all knowing, they he holds total responsibility for our short-comings. There is nothing for which we need be forgiven. Also, threatening your children with eternal torture is hardly a "free" bargain.
SammyHales 11 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 You are wrong. The Jesus Christ Mormons worship is born of Mary. He raised Lazarus from the dead. He was with The Father in the beginning and He created the earth and all things under the direction of His Father. He paid for our sins and has mercy for all who repent. We believe in the same Christ you do so please stop lying to the world and spreading your lies. Stop fighting and study the scriptures and maybe seek the truth we have been given and you may learn a thing or 2 pal!
sirjamez41 7 months ago 3
@aaronshaf2006 It sounds like youre pretty interested in having theological discussions. I'd be more than happy to direct some questions at your beliefs and see if you can defend any of them with science and reason. So, aaron, assuming you are all about knowing how the world really works, and not just promoting some bronze age superstition, how can you account for most of the bible finding either no support in science, or flatly disproven by it?
SammyHales 11 months ago
Does this give you some sort of sick pleasure trying to put down others religons? So if you claim to be Christian (your acts suggest otherwise) I suggest you do something better with your time like reading the scriptures to uplift and teach you how to be Christ-like rather than as a tool to destroy others views on God.
"judge not lest ye be judged"
weezrfan09 1 year ago
@weezrfan09 Aren't you judging others for judging? Isn't that self-defeating?
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago 9
@aaronshaf2006isnt trying to "expose" the mormon church by confronting them with questions and trapping them in their words and putting them on youtube for everyone to see, one of Satan's tactics? I cant recall Jesus every "tricking" anyone to believe Him. And you know maybe I'm wrong, but what if you are? think of how many of God's children you have turned astray with your videos? We both believe something different, but people need to respect and be tolerant of others.
weezrfan009 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 And hey, I know you think you know everything about us, but have you sincerly asked God with real intent on knowing if it was true? I have, and spent 2 years of my life teaching it to families and individuals and watched them as they came to know Jesus and how is atonment was for everyone of us. I saw change, real change, in those peoples lives. I believe Jesus wont condemn for that. The invitation goes out to you too brother.
weezrfan009 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 I truely love your refutes =]
Tank94Mage 11 months ago
@aaronshaf2006 dont tell the evangelical "christians" that lol aaronshaf and his ministry...what a pathetic joke! leave the damn mormons alone!!
getdownto311 6 months ago
@weezrfan09 - Just because you don't like the message of how mormonism is a false gospel does not make us haters. We are speaking to the intent of the organization itself and the teachings of the so-called prophets, NOT how believers in said teachings are stoopid or ignorant. Don't take it personally and don't shoot the messenger. Being born-again through the teachings of the Bible is the ONLY way to the Father, through His grace and His Son. PERIOD. Everything else is a false gospel.
cr500blur 11 months ago
@weezrfan09 I think you forgot to mention that the BOM clearly tells us that all churches on the face of the earth, other than the LDS, of course, are an abomination before the Mormon god and are founded by Satan.
What you want is the respect that your religion does not give, and you need to learn that.
moparmonster1965 5 months ago
@weezrfan09 Are you serious? have you read what the LDS leaders like Joe Smith, Brigham Young etc..against the Christianty? stop deflecting the real issue and that theLDS claim to be the "Restored Church" when in fact it's a polygamist,polytheistic,racsit etcc... church and it can be proven with LDS publications(there own sources) so please.Grow up and take the issues directly not the typical cult evasion tactic.
Gideon6640man 4 months ago
How come I never run into street interviewers? Oi, I would love to be interviewed by these lot.
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irishbadboy100 1 year ago
He speaks so steadily and surely. He's a good example
ldsmexlife 1 year ago
Wow Aaron, you definately picked a real fiesty one there Woohoo, you and Rob must of had to to tag team such a wascully wabbut!
myway43 1 year ago
I`m glad that some people realize we can`t even comprehend God the creator. Why are people arguing about something none of them can comprehend?
nogov4KB 1 year ago
he's exactly right, God has so much in store for us we cannot even comprehend it. The atonement will do everything the word implies, he will make us at-one with the Father.
snowboardinutahn 1 year ago
We could go back in time to ancient Rome and have a similar debate with an old polytheist about Jupiter, king of the gods. I can picture the old man in a robe outside of some pagan temple.
eeikman 1 year ago
because we are his children. He is our heavenly father. THE LIVING GOD. OUR GOD. Its not like we're worshipping someone who was on earth. we''re worshipping THE GOD. Just because the church has more info than others doesn't make it crazy and wrong.
OCM117 1 year ago
According to Mormons, God is just an exalted man. I would not worship a man exalted or not, goes against every fiber of my being.
I think that is why Mormons do not really WORSHIP God, but only pay him lip service. How can anyone truly worship someone who was once a man just like themselves.
manderbos 1 year ago
That guy sure talked a lot without saying anything. I couldn't tell if he simply didn't understand the question or if he was deliberately sidestepping it. Maybe he's trying to "answer the question the interviewer should have asked" as another Mormon leader once said.
Enca73 1 year ago
....understand that I alone am God. There is no other God; there never has been and never will be.-Isaiah 43:10.
....I am the First and the Last; there is no other God.-Isaiah 44:6.
....is there any other God? No!...-Isa.44:8
There are no other 'great-grandfather gods' in other universes being worshiped in other galaxies. You will not become a God/god one day on your own planet with your Goddess wife having spirit children for all eternity. Why not? Re-read God's Words.
sldeyo 1 year ago
@sldeyo FOR US. there is no other god. We worship Our heavenly father, no idles, no golden calves. He is OUR god. He created us. he is our only heavenly father
OCM117 1 year ago
@OCM117 : Glad you read my post! God's Word never returns void.
Isaiah 55:11.
sldeyo 1 year ago
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast [our] profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.-Hbr.4:14,15.
That question at 5:14-5:25 Brilliant! That guy didn't know how to answer that question and I can litterally hear his blood pressure going up. Seed planted! Glory be to God!
sldeyo 1 year ago
go old mormon guy! He did a good job answering the questions with reason and dignity. I dont agree with him on all things.
Christians believe men who sin can become better. It doesnt matter what god once was or has been. He is perfect now, and he has been perfect since long before he concieved us, so that is all that matters. We worship a heavenly celestial father who is perfect. We are sinners, and god has promised us that through faith and charity we too can become perfect.
bellarmine246 1 year ago
@bellarmine246 Does it not matter to you also whether Jesus was once a sinner?
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago
@aaronshaf2006 I am no spokesmen for the church. Heck im not even a member of the church. There is a difference between a sinner and one who has sinned. Christ sinned, god sinned, but they became perfect through the repentance process and therefore are not sinners. I do not have the power to become perfect on my own, so i need christ. Christ is my saviour. Until I am redeemed and saved at the final judgement, I remain, as all men, a sinner.
bellarmine246 1 year ago
@bellarmine246 Where do you get the notion that Jesus sinned?
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago 3
@aaronshaf2006 I believe that sin is any action that is not PERFECTLY godly. Christ's agony in the garden constituted the depth of that sin, as well as the perfect remission and ultimately the atonement, but to achieve that forgiveness and perfection, he had first to wish for an easy way out. For various reasons, we don't know hardly any of his sins. However, regardless of whether or not he sinned, he died for my sins and is my savior. Compared to that all else is of little importance.
bellarmine246 1 year ago
@bellarmine246
how can somebody who is perfect sin? you are a very confused person. stop being a follower and wake up
chia412 1 year ago
@chia412 perfection does not come in a single state, but rather in a progressive growth. stagnation is not perfection; growth and betterment is. God is good, and he is always getting better. This growth and betterment spans eternities. God is perfect. There is no room for improvement in perfection, when in fact the maximum improvement is the perfection in question. God has achieved that maximum velocity of improvement; that perfection.
bellarmine246 1 year ago
@bellarmine246 I think you mean he did a good job of sidestepping the issue.
Nepthu 1 year ago
yea do you really blame the old man for getting frustrated? damn fundamentalist.
hayncutie03 1 year ago
Someone didn't read his Doctrine and Covenants...
mandersen831 1 year ago
The interviewer IS a nut bar! The Mormon guy is caught off guard.
lkidler 1 year ago
what a jack arse, so pig headed
domipurcell 1 year ago
"Pity those who do not understand. Do not condemn them for their ignorance, but love them for their innocence."
kaysaydeeuhs 1 year ago
Oh you're a christian? I really really really hope that you are not a fundamentalist.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
THanks for the interview. I don't know why people are getting mad at it. The questions are coherent and challenging, which SHOULD be a good thing, if it is a "true" religion.
Aresftfun 1 year ago
OK...The guy asking the questions was overbearing and obsessed with hearing ONLY the answers he wanted to hear...he kept pressing and making a fool of himself.
He was not listening, he was just being a dick.
It seemed like he was trying th force the "feisty" Mormon (who sounded saner and more focused that the interviewer) to say some specific phrase.
Making fun of Mormons and openly confronting them like this guy was doing is nonproductive.
I'm not LDS but I will defend them in this case.
hammerogod 1 year ago
the mormon should just be put out of their misery
captaininsanity89 1 year ago
@captaininsanity89
Or people with your attitude should be (?)...wish the choice was mine to make.
I would rather face the possibility of MILLIONS of Mormons alive and well (odd as they sometimes are) than face the fact that people like you want people dead because of a belief.
You suck BTW.
hammerogod 1 year ago
"immediately got feisty"?
I'm 7:00 minutes into this and haven't heard anything feisty yet. I'm not a Mormon apologist I just hate dishonest, disappointing video titles. Should I even bother listening to the other 11 minutes?
oalemdemadrid 1 year ago
@oalemdemadrid
I agree 100%
I thumbed this nonsense down but I am sorry I listened long enough to form an opinion.
I am non LDS. but I would have to say that the 'feisty' Mormon gave better answers than the interviewer could ask questions.
Mormons are odd but the interviewer is a dick.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@hammerogod I have absolutely no love of Mormons, and for me, personally, the conversation amounts to fairy tale A vs B.
But you are absolutely right, the interviewer is being a contentious dick.
In terms of attempt at honesty, the old guy at least tried to be civil and without agenda.
moopism 1 year ago
I'm surprised he answered these questions with someone who keeps trying to interrupt in the background. I was interested in his strange answers, not some heckler interrupting him.
Nepthu 1 year ago
He keeps talking about the atonement but he's not talking about the cross, he's talking about the garden.
Wbeliever7 1 year ago
This seams very misleading (audio only). These guys are ridiculous.
1kemistry 1 year ago
God's not an evolved man! God created the ideas of what we know as time, space, thoughts & the very ideas of things like the senses of touch, hearing & sight... It is SORT OF like comparing Beethoven to a COCKROACH jumping on a snare drum & saying someday THAT cockroach can learn to play music WELL ENOUGH to evolve into a amazingly gifted bipedal mammal musician with thumbs similar to Beethoven in many ways, but named Harold & blonde, & living in a different country w/different cockroach fans.
EmBeesWeb 1 year ago
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EmBeesWeb 1 year ago
@EmBeesWeb I should've said ''BARELY like'' instead of ''SORT OF like''. But even slightly comparing God to Beethoven EXTREMELY DEGRADES the creator of ALL MATTER that ever existed ANYWHERE. I wanted to help people & don't know a better way to put it yet. So, may God forgive me for comparing him to a mere human musical genius, whom he created, & who's accomplishments God deserves the credit for. Plus, Beethoven didn't create, love, suffer & die for all cockroaches while they each hated him.
EmBeesWeb 1 year ago
@EmBeesWeb Well said!
chanbrent 1 year ago
Mormonism is nothing more than another new age religion based on original Kaballah and gnostic ideas. This guy is no different than any other devoted mormon. What the Bible says doesn't really matter, because it wasn't the Bible that lead them into it.
truthseeker1973 1 year ago
Mormons are nuts
saggley 1 year ago
The LDS person that said the interviewers are like the Pharisees that tried to trip up Jesus is 100% correct. Most of the questions they are throwing out are things we do not know right now and it is not necessary to our salvation to know. They are only trying to confuse people. Bottom line is the LDS Church is true and the Book of Mormon is true.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore You said, "Most of the questions they are throwing out are things we do not know right now and it is not necessary to our salvation to know" -- Are you including whether or not God the Father was perhaps once a wretched, unworthy, horrific, unclean sinner who needed to receive the atonement of a savior other than Jesus?
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago 2
@aaronshaf2006 That is exactly the kind of question I refer to. Many things, we do not know.
LDStothecore 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Oh my gosh this man won't answer any of the questions because He knows if he does he's busted. Everything that he's saying is pure blasphemy. Jesus ALREADY is the everlasting God of the entire universe and he's the only God.
Wbeliever7 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Amen
myway43 1 year ago
@LDStothecore you can speak with the angle moroni on the ouija board and he will clearly tell you that he was a fallen angle. the thing is that thay tryed to trip up Jesus but Jesus came at them with scriptures. you try comming at christians with a false book from a 33rd degree free mason in which thay worship the devil and you never win a debate because we keep it Bible and you keep trying to quote joseph smith and his demon. . Follow JESUS not josheph.
rudyavelino1982 1 year ago
Let me get this straight. So god had ancestors. There are other universes. There are other gods out there in different universes who are worshipped by other human beings? If humans are capable of becoming a gods, what happens to the main god in the particular universe? Is he on top of the tree?
Dovelike 1 year ago
@Dovelike basically the mormons are nuts
Wbeliever7 1 year ago
Video would have helped to know who the heck is talking here...
Not knowing any of these people makes listening to this a bit confusing...
Sorry for complaining - keep spreading the Truth of the Bible!
williamstdog9 1 year ago
Why would any religion take so much time away from learning and focusing on what is important? Why pass judgment on other religions? Any religion that takes so much time to say what they think other people believe really has lost the true faith in God. God he will be the one to say who is correct.
The religious institutes who condemn other religions need to remember that Jesus was crucified because he had the truth but no that was not allowed
jonnygotz2343 1 year ago
@praestant8, you say you "believe" in the New Testament "for sure" and the saving blood of Christ. What do you base your belief on? Have you handled ancient manuscripts and seen them for yourself? Did you pray to God to get that belief? You criticize me for my beliefs yet you can't substantiate your own "belief." Why?
DrTerminus 1 year ago
I believe in the New Testament for sure and the saving blood of Christ. There are parts of the Old Testament I'm not so sure about. I'm not a Biblical literalist so I don't get hung up on minutia like evangelicals do. In terms of a figure about 75%. How, logic. I'm not fully convinced by evidence God exists but with what still survives from Biblical times, there is some possibility there. Is that a direct enough answer for ya?
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8 -- If you're not fully certain God exists, have you tried praying to Him with a sincere heart and real intent? I'll tell ya my observation is that the combination of heart and mind and give one the conviction that God lives.
DrTerminus 1 year ago
@DrTerminus What a wonderful Mormon answer. I suppose I should also pray to see if the BoM is also the word of God at the same time.
praestant8 1 year ago
This video is very reveling, Mormons actually do not believe what they are taught but only know how to tell what other Mormons have told them. When the question is asked they answer only with what they are programmed to believe. This is so scary and I feel sorrier for the LDS than before. They want so badly to have a god like this than accept the truth. They break the second commandment all the time trying to create there perfect god.
Exodus314IAM 1 year ago
@Exodus314IAM All Mormons must endure doctrinal repetition. After a period of time, they become blind to historical facts and Biblical truth.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
isn't it ironic that with all of the ranting of the us only churches about us terrible old denominations and our confusion, the one thing we all agree on is they THEY, i.e. the cults (Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnessism, Scientology, universalism and the like) are not preaching the truth! We may not always agree on exactly what is true in every instance, but we are united in our desire to see the cults ended and their members saved by faith in Jesus.
godluvsmormons 1 year ago
wow, he simply refuses to answer the questions directly.. Yes, that sounds like most LDS people I speak to The word create means to make something from nothing, now while it is true that God made Adam from dirt, He created that dirt from nothing, and he also creates the atoms and genes that we are now made of, so we are created, not born as spirit children. If it were possible for God to have been a sinner at some point, He could not be perfect, thus He is not God, and they know this deep down
godluvsmormons 1 year ago
Mormons follow a Jesus of Josephs making. They do not accept a "Biblical" Jesus Christ. For Mormons it is not "Jesus Christ" they worship it is "Joseph's Christ" they believe. Joseph's Christ is not defined by the bible but by Joseph Smith the False Prophet.
walkonking 1 year ago
The old boy handled that better than most Mormons I've met. I've watched them squirm with embarrassment every time this stuff comes up. They always try to jump the topic. You would think the utter humiliation of this fantastical nonsense that they foolishly defend would shame them to their senses, but it doesn't. They just slip into autopilot and 'testimony control'. We can only pray that the seeds of doubt some day flower into repentance and a call on the name of the LORD to be saved. Thanks.
RPM11111 1 year ago
@RPM11111 What "fantastical nonsense" are you referring to?
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m
It's a good question because there is quite a bit in LDS doctrines and writings besides eternal progression, e.g., Kolob, blackness of skin for sin, marriage for the dead etc. But in particular I was referring to the eternal progression implications...jesus becomes god the father and his first begotton son is the next saviour in a new universe and new earth and so and so forth and so back...
RPM11111 1 year ago
@RPM11111 The trail of Mormon progression and how family members will stay together for eternity is much more confusing than God, "the Trinity".
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@RPM11111 Kolob is the name of a star which is the closest star to where God dwells. We do not know where it is and I believe it is much too far away to see, if we did.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m And don't forget it would be "too sacred" to talk about even if any one did know where it was.
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8 That is not true.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@RPM11111 I do not believe that God has cursed anyone with skin color change. I do believe that in times past He used many methods, including skin color, to separate populations that he wanted separate possibly due to sin. This is no longer His desire.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m But it's still a doctrine of the church. Unless it's removed from the BoM it is still part of Mormon doctrine. Did you recieve a personal witness from an angel that it is no longer God's desire - or is this a caveat to modern society and political correctness?
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8 It is not official church doctrine. if you believe that it is in teh BoM you are mistaken.
I believe that Angels still apear to man from time to time. This is not in contradiction to God's will nor the Bible's teachings.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Have you even read your own BoM, D&C, Pearl of Great Price? It's there just like polygamy is still there (sect. 132). Read it for yourself. You just want to deceive yourself in to believing your church and its mortal leaders will never be wrong.
praestant8 1 year ago
@RPM11111 We believe that marriage is an ordinance reserved for mortality though the bond is extended into eternity if performed with the true authority of Jesus Christ. Anyone who does not perform this ordinance performed or have it performed for them in mortality will be required to exist into eternity without it. We believe it is a great blessing to have this bond in eternity.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Without this earthly marriage ceremony, you cannot live with God. Biblically, the Lords work was sufficient to allow all believers to live in the same house as the Father.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap Yes, true believers are allowed to live in the same house as the father. They still must walk in. Christ has provided the path, and through our action we must walk it to enter. Faith and Works.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Faith alone is counted as righteousness. There is not 1 work that must be done to live with God.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@krkr8m So who was Jesus sealed to and in what temple? Your extra ordinances mean nothing after death - it says so in the Bible.
praestant8 1 year ago
@RPM11111 Eternal progression is the method by which we can become as God is now. Since we are His, any progress we achieve is His as well. Hevenly Father and Jesus Christ will always be greater than any of us, at minimum to the same degree that they are now, since we are literally theirs. We will allways worship God alone.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Any rewards or progression will be given to us by God. Men do not have any power to guarantee rewards or exhalt themselves.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@awolLDSasap That is 100% true... I also believe that God can be counted on to hold up His end of a covenant 100% of the time. That is the guarantee of eternal progression when you truely follow the Savior.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Are you aware there is only 1 everlasting covenant? Jesus made the everlasting covenant for us. There are no other covenants recognized by God. Being lds most of my life, I know the doctrines. I found in Biblical verse, no mortal will ever share the identity of God. Biblically, there has never been a council or eternal progression of Gods. God is holy and infinitely unique. He is alone within his infinite nature.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago 2
@awolLDSasap Is it beyond God's power to make us like Him?
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m There are no other Gods. He knows of none.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@krkr8m A real God is uncreated, and literally creates from nothing. The Bible teaches that only God was in the Beginning, He called everything else that does exist into existence. You can not create something to have no beginning, if it has a beginning. The Mormon gods, are nice puny idol men gods, that can be fully understood, comprehended etc. The real God is bigger than we can fathom.
carterfamily8903 1 year ago
@krkr8m And the lovely little couplet "As man is God once was; as God is man may become" is 100 % Biblically contradictory. Don't you see the logical fallacy in your statement? You can't be as God is now and be lesser than God is. Otherwise you aren't as God is!
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8 My sons can become like I am now, yet they will never be the same as I am in a moment. When one becomes a parent I become a grandparent. it is not that complicated.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Sorry, but we aren't all instantly God's "children." He only begot one son. There is nothing Biblically to support that you will become as God is. This is a Mormon ideal only. Sorry, doesn't make you more Christian - in fact it makes you less of one in that whole debate.
praestant8 1 year ago
...If there can be only one begotten son it would be impossible for all to progress onto godhood if we as children of christ go to the next creation with him. The Bible declares that Jesus Christ created all things (Col 1:15-16; John 1:3). So would he have to make the new universe or would his first begotten son do it? What of all these people who weren't first begotten sons, how could they ever progress onto godhood?...
RPM11111 1 year ago
@RPM11111 This universe is "all things" and we can't understand nor need to understand anything else in mortality.
krkr8m 1 year ago
...Of course all this is based on what the mormon said in the video. Read 1 Cor 2:9 and you will see why I think eternal progression is fantastical nonsense!!! However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him" Yet mormons claim their minds have conceived it.
RPM11111 1 year ago
@RPM11111 Joe Smith conceived it all, and then some!
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8
I think there was some supernatural input - "doctrines of demons"..."another gospel from an angel".
RPM11111 1 year ago
@RPM11111 Well if even a fraction of his story is indeed true we have to question how the angels were. I wonder if he didn't know about that secret handshake to determine good angels from bad angels then.
praestant8 1 year ago
@RPM11111 We cannot fully grasp it. In fact our understanding of what God has prepared is infinitesimally small. Yet we still must bear testimony of what little we do know. In my opinion what he has prepared is everything good that any mortal human could ever imagine plus much, much more.
krkr8m 1 year ago
No human, or created being, is, or ever will be worthy of worship. The uncreated God, Who created all that is, is fully worthy of worship. We cannot even fully comprehend DNA or seeds, or the universe. God not only fully comprehends it all, He created it all. God is worthy of worship, because He is infinitely beyond anything that we ever could be.
carterfamily8903 1 year ago
@carterfamily8903 Amen.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
@carterfamily8903 He is beyond anything we could ever be without His help, yet with God, all things are possible.
krkr8m 1 year ago
I'll tell you a simple reason why Mormon theology makes no sense - the Bible says that God was so angry with our sin that he sought to destroy the whole world were it not for one righteous man - Noah - who was saved in the flood. That tells you that God could not have been a sinner once long ago in another life. "For all fall short" of God, "Not one is rigtheous" - this is from the same Bible. Thank you for this video, it proved to me Mormons are not Christians. This is blasphemy.
sonixelectronix 1 year ago
The dude asking the questions is just stupid. Anybody that does this with the purpose of entrapping somebody, deserves their own special place in hell, but if it were me, I would walk away. It was obvious in the first few moments that this was a trap.
w2mgy 1 year ago
This reminds me of people going to conventions arguing over the implications and discrepancies in Star Trek.
mathmexican4234 1 year ago
Two theists fighting..... it's like Mr Puke and Mr Shit going to a Lynderd Skynerd cover band concert, and the lead singer looks at the BOTH, and sings "Ohhh that smellllll can you smellllllll that smellllll".
Sambucacat 1 year ago
The mormon guy in the video doesn't understand the atonement. All people are already supposed to be God's children - we don't become them throught the atonement. It's that our sins are forgiven through the atonement. "in this universe"... There are other universes? What? That's a new one.
Mormons whittle God down into a demi-god.
Trillidotia 1 year ago
Wow!!! Why would anyone want their kids to worship them as god? That would take away the Glory from the ONE TRUE GOD. When he lifts us up through his blood it doesn't mean we will be God. And when he was asked if that was a "YES" or "NO" he doesn't say. Why is that so hard for him to say YEA or NAY on that question. Mormons always sidestep with the "We will be like Him". What they really mean is "He was God so we will be God too"
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Read C. S. Lewis "The Screwtape Letters" chapter 8. Would a righteous father want less for their children than they themselves have? If God Himself desires that His children have all that He has, is He not sufficient to provide the opportunity?
krkr8m 1 year ago
@krkr8m Wrong answer. God wants us to have an intimate relationship with Him. That's what MY BIBLE says. My BIBLE says that God wants no other gods before HIm and that there is no other God before nor after Him. He says that HE KNOWS OF NO OTHER GOD. You will find that in Isaiah chapters 43, 44, 45. So you see, you have a really big issue when you say that he wants us to be gods. That my friend, is Idolatry and it's the lie of the serpent in the Garden.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
So HE will never provide an opportunity for us to be gods. What questions did the Mormon man answer? None really. At least not with a Yes or No. What questions did he ask? I'm sure Aaron would have been more than willing to answer the questions but at the same time the LDS guy was not being honest in response. He knows not Jesus..at least not the Biblical Jesus.
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 You have not answered my questions either.
krkr8m 1 year ago
@KakkoiGuy1 Well if they didn't beat around the bush they would be called on the carpet for not being Christian. So they can't answer any theological or doctrinal question directly, partially because any answer given has to be extrapolated from a number of other sources in the LDS church, and also because they are trying to be accepted as a main stream Christian faith to bolster its membership roster, which of course they are not.
praestant8 1 year ago
@praestant8 Amen! You hit the nail right on the head. This push to be more Christian is horrific. I'm sick of it. The reason being, if you ask them about other Christians, they will quickly say that others don't have the fullness of the Gospel and the LDS church does. I'm so sick of them crying like people are bashing them when from the First Vision Smitty gave the first blow. They have two faces. The one they want the public to see that tries to be Christian (tries...key word)
KakkoiGuy1 1 year ago