Contraception : Jason Evert : Catholic Answers Live

[wbarquez]

The Catholic Church is not against sex education and family planning per se. She is against the immoral means or methods by which they are being implemented. And the end does not justify the means. Any family planning scheme that is premised on materialism and relativism is anti-God and anti-life. The prevention of the fertilization of the egg cell or implantation of the fertilized egg cell through human intervention is a sin because it frustrates the will of God to create human life.

[1Hope4All]

I love this guy. He was a virgin when he got married. He has been blessed with a great woman for a wife and now has a family!

[mcbun28]

You wrong, we tried for 3 years, no contraception, no kids

[1Hope4All]

mcbun, I'm sorry for your situation if you reallly want kids. But there's a reason for everything. I don't know your situation but there must be a reason for you & spouse not being able to conceive. I don't know your past relationships but everything you've done in the past up until this point factors in more than you think. Pray about it. There must be some reason why God will not allow for the conception of children in your situation at this time. Don't ever forget about redemptive suffering.

[mom2threebabes]

NFP used to avoid a child=contraception. Read Pope Pius XI, Casti Connubii.

The primary end of marriage is the procreation and the education of children.

Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.

[3slimdog]

ilkinond, What kind of question is that? You are replying to a comment I made 3 months ago and it was to a commenter who thought his way was the only way. So next stupid question? Don't be surprised if I don't answer.

[j89walt]

i love jason evert

he spoke at my school once

had an amazing influence on the way i live my life now.

[ilkinond]

Really - got 12 kids have you?

[deoomnisgloria]

brilliant, ilkinond. Your comment betrays your social and scientific ignorance.

[SummaTheologica]

12 kids are good, though i would prefer 15 =)

[1Hope4All]

j89walt, that's good to hear! Congrats! My daughter and I went to see him when she was around 12 years old.

[GenghisKhan44]

@j89walt He came to my school once.

To this day, guys still yell one phrase from that talk that some idiot shouted out during the Q&A section.

You know what it was?

"WHAT ABOUT POLYGAMY?!" which I said.

[3slimdog]

Last comment was for hammer.

[3slimdog]

Alphacrow, I have never attacked your daughter in any way. I won't even do that to piss a parent off. I did say that, your wife should be the one that tells your daughter about the birds and the bees. Now if you took that the wrong way, i am sorry. I told you I think, I worked with DCFS for 2 yrs and I would never wish nothing bad on any child. This debate is with adults. We are grown ups.

[3slimdog]

Alphacrow, BTW, I haven't forgotten about you. I haved that information. I could not find that information from before. But I got information from better source. You were right on some of the embryonic stem cell research. I meant to get back to you but I keep getting sidetracked. I will personal message you with what I learned. Sorry take so long. I admit to being wrong on one of the things. I hate that. lol

[thealphacrow]

Your comment has brought me so much consolation today. I've been debating the stem cell issue heavily for the past 2 weeks and there are people who have taken to attacking my daughter because I'm pointing out the facts about the Obama ESCR agenda. The united states is a worse place since Obama took office. If you oppose him, there are a lot of his followers who will attack all that you love.

[3slimdog]

You cannot in no way, shape or form get pregnant when you have tubes CUT, not tied. I am not talking about just 3 women, there are thousands that have there tubes CUT, not tied.

[thealphacrow]

3slim

just cite a source and we can be done with this. If I'm wrong then I'll apologize and agree with you. Isn't there any internet source you can point me to?

[3slimdog]

Ask a professional doctor, not a book making money grabber. Holyroller,DON'T BOTHER ME ANYMORE with your phony crap. I know a hell of a lot more then you. You go to people only after people money for information that don't know what they are talking about. You don't even know the difference between cut and tied. YOU ARE DISMISSED.

[thealphacrow]

Well, since you are the one posting on my video you are not dismissed. Where is your source? You just keep saying that cut is different than tied. How about you show me that 100% statistic that you claim to have. Just post one source that I can google search. Just one. Please. All you have to do is post one and I'll check it out, and if you're right I'll fix my error.

[3slimdog]

Now i cite proof, 3 sisters and I. And why would I go to an abortion doctor? I had my tubes CUT for I would not get pregnant. My sister did the same after 2 children 20 yrs ago and no way, shape or form she will get pregnant because she was CUT not TIED. So there, that is proof, you are wrong.

[thealphacrow]

3slim

How many women have their tubes cut in the united states?

And of those women, how many have still gotten pregnant?

And at the end of the day, those women who still got pregnant are the actual factor in the statistic. You can't just point to 3 women and say 100% that's like saying you just saw 3 Chinese people. Therefore the entire world is Chinese.

[HammerofHeretics]

I'm with the alpha crow. You are an ignorant person. Tubal ligation is not 100% effective. It's closer to 99% for the first year. That means one in a hundred women are likely to get pregnant in the year following a tubal ligation, since that's generally the way they discover the procedure FAILED. You thinking a sample of three is sufficient for your claim is laughable.

[3slimdog]

Hammer, I don't know where you and alpha got just 3. I wasn't just talking about me and the other 2 I know. I is a fact, Tubes CUT and not just TIED, there is know way of getting pregnant. Look it up.

[HammerofHeretics]

I guess if you count yourself, you really gave four cases, but the point is, you weren't using statistics in your example, which requires a much bigger sample. I did look it up, and 1 out of 100 tubal ligations (which usually involves tubes being "cut") FAIL in the first year, and that percentage goes up later, because sometimes the tubes manage to grow back together. If they told you it was 100%, they lied.

[3slimdog]

Hammer, I will not argue with you. 4 cases,my ass. There are millions of women that choose CUT, not TIED. Esspecially if they choose to never change their mind on having children. Alphacrow have had this arguement and as far as I am concerned its over on that subject.

[3slimdog]

I had my tubes CUT, not TIED when I was 18. I am now 49 and no children due to not wanting any. I am proof you cannot get pregnant with tubes cut, not tied. Tied they can become untied. I am a women and knows all about the female organs. I have 3 sisters that have tried different methods. You are a guy, and I don't care what doctor told you. Give the whole facts to people not just what you want. You phony racist.,

[3slimdog]

If you have your tubes cut, not tied, there is no way a women will get pregnant. You left that out. Cut is 100% effective. You cut a man's too. He will not be able to inpregnant you. Get and give all the facts. Not just part. Your not being fair to people that way.

[thealphacrow]

You are an ignorant person who doesn't know the facts. You can ask the most pro abortion doctor out there about the efficacy of getting your tubes tied and it is not 100% Why don't you look it up on planned parenthood's website. You garbage thrower. You are wrong and anyone who knows how to find facts on the internet can find the truth. There is no OBGYN who will back you up. How about you cite some proof of your claim. You won't you'll just sit her and spread hate.

Cite proof!

[Brittian86]

The church changed it's definition of sex from "being ONLY for procreation" to "unity with spouse and procreation." And in the future, when resources get tight in the US, they will allow condom use as it promotes responsibility in parents.

Please answer my HIV question.

[thealphacrow]

You will have to cite a source if you are going to assert that "the church changed it's definition of sex"

Because as far back in history as the Church has written about sex it has always been taught as a unitive and procreative act.

[Brittian86]

Almost 90% of Catholics use artificial birth control/contraception, and I think there's a good reason why - it makes sense. Being Catholic isn't just blindly following a teaching invented by man. Besides, the church has changed rules in the past and I see the condom ban disappearing in time. Condoms could save millions of lives from HiV, see Africa.

[thealphacrow]

"Blindly follow"

How you can falsely accuse anyone of "blindly following" catholic teaching is beyond me. I assert that you are ignorant of catholic teaching because it is anything but blind. It is full of scientific fact and solid reasoning. You can't read "Love and Responsibility" "Humanae Vitae"

Janet Smith

Christopher West

MaryBeth Bonachi

And tell me that those aren't scientific treatments of the issue at hand.

[Brittian86]

I'm well aware and have read those, but they were written by people, not Jesus. That's a fact. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just challenging what you believe. I believe the church is wrong, but I'm not saying they are wrong.

[thealphacrow]

Well I am saying that you are wrong when you say

"The church changed it's definition of sex from "being ONLY for procreation" to "unity with spouse and procreation."

You have not cited a source because there is none. The Church has always taught that sex is a UNITIVE act along with being a procreative act and that coincides with biology. A woman is infertile for the majority of her cycle.

Please cite a source for your assertion or recant what you said.

[Brittian86]

I can't find the source, but I'm still looking for it. I should have bookmarked it. I think that the source talked more about how many in the church believed that sex was only for procreation (some still do believe this) but not ALL of the Catholic church, so I may have been partly wrong on this.

No offense was taken. I'm not here to say your are wrong, the thing that disturbed me was the video saying NFP was 99% accurate, which I don't believe to be true.

[thealphacrow]

But here's the thing. If you have sex with a woman at a time when she is not fertile then she will not get pregnant 100% of the time. There is no physical egg to be fertilized.

This fact is not true for all forms of contraception. Condoms fail, pills fail, even having your tubes tied fails look at the statistics. EVEN VASECTOMY! You see NATURE finds a way to live and tries to fix what man brakes. Contraceptives fail and a woman's fertility SUCCEEDS in the end. That's Nature.

[Brittian86]

I agree with that. Nature can and does often find a way. Pregnancy is not something that is ever going to be 100% possible to avoid (given the female can conceive). But what I think NFP doesn't mention enough is the possibility of the ovulation varying, and the possibility of double ovulation which does happen often. Sometimes body temperate can rise from other causes too, which is why most medical reports that I've read say NFP is about 75% effective.

[Brittian86]

You're obviously have strong moral beliefs, but we just disagree on how we see things. My future wife and I are going to use NFP and condoms when the times comes. Of course we are open to life, but we don't want to have more than 2 or 3 kids.

[Brittian86]

excuse my typos and grammar mistakes. I type too fast sometimes.

[thealphacrow]

Well that's between you and God but His church explicitly teaches us in very certain and clear pedagogy that the use of condoms is antithetical to the marital act.

Speaking as an NFP practicing catholic. Having less sex makes those times more enjoyable when we do.

Most nights when we are not having sex are full of laughter and waking up our baby with the laughter.

[Brittian86]

I'm not disagreeing with many of your opinions. I think there are many benefits to NFP, and I think sex is something that shouldn't be done everyday or all time time. That's why I am going to use NFP, of course with addition of something you don't agree on, but I just want you to know I think NFP has many good things about it that I feel are healthy spiritually and physically.

[loverofeucharist]

Meaning no disrepect to you Brittian and I commend you for acknowledging the benefits of NFP but it is the condom issue that I am concerned with. By using a barrier method of birth control an expectant mother is more than twice at risk for contracting preeclampsia which is a condition of high blood pressure and is the third leading cause of death in child birth and can lead to a premature birth of the baby.

[thealphacrow]

NFP actually never "fails". NFP is simply a study of a woman's biology. If a person is looking to contracept then they have no business using NFP they should see a shrink because NFP is not a contraceptive. It is a biological study. It promotes competent awareness of a woman's fertility cycle. Contraceptives promote ignorance and lead people to believe things like "I got pregnant on accident". No you didn't! you had sex didn't you? It's not an accident that your body worked properly.

[thealphacrow]

"effective"

When you read those reports, bear in mind that the mentality of our society towards sex is that you should not have to exercise any self control.

If I only have sex with my wife once a month at the proper time then she will never get pregnant. How many times per month can a couple have sex? Well every day if they want but if they want to engage in sex and not produce a child then they have to accept the fact that they will be having less sex.

[thealphacrow]

That is the real drive behind the people who say that NFP is only 75% effective. They believe that sex should be had on demand, and in a sense it should, but only for people who are willing to have children.

Spacing out children means having less sex. That's the thing that our pagan world can't accept and so they spread 75% numbers.

[thealphacrow]

You blindly follow "condoms=safe sex" and deny the fact that condoms have replaced HIV with several other STDs.

The fact is that HIV came from sexual promiscuity. The ONLY solution for sexual promiscuity is abstinence until marriage. Sex is for 2 virgins. When you go against that you have AIDS and the spread of aids. The only solution now is for the population to promote marital sex between 2 virgins and hope that hospitals can find a cure for the infected.

[Brittian86]

I'm a big supporter of abstinence, I wish everyone would do it, but the reality is, we are not perfect beings, and there's always going to be mistakes made.

[thealphacrow]

I am very glad that you are an abstinence supporter but you are shooting yourself in the foot if you also promote the use of condoms. Sex outside of marriage is always a mistake. Yes, it happens but condoms promotes it happening more often which ONLY makes the problem get bigger.

You can't fight STDs by developing ways for people to have more sex by unnatural means.

all forms of contraception promote more unnatural sex.

NFP does not promote more sex.

[thealphacrow]

You are also wrong if you teach that NFP is just like contraception.

NFP is for married people who are open to the possibility of having a baby.

Contraception promotes sex any time any where with who ever how ever as many times as you want. Contraception removes LIFE from the act. Contra-Ception.

[thealphacrow]

When you say "contraception and NFP have the same intention behind them" you are wrong.

A couple practicing NFP knows the fertility cycle of the woman. Knowing this cycle makes the couple VERY EDUCATED in knowing when to have sex in order to have a child. The couple employs NFP to have children. A couple never employs contraceptives in order to have children because contraceptives area only designed to CONTRACEPT. Contraception is man trying to stop life. Stop Nature.

[thealphacrow]

The reality is that the pagan world tries to make the Catholic Church look like an ignorant, evil, oppressive, out of touch, institution. When in fact the Church has cut at the very root of the problem of STDs. STDs are the result of people having sex with many people.

I encourage you to live according to nature and not according to man made, problem starting, problem perpetuating, artificial, pseudo-cures. They are not cures, they perpetuate the problem. The Church has been 100% correct.

[thealphacrow]

I apologize if I have been abrasive in our dialogue. It is not my intention to offend but it is my intention to rebuke you for your errors. All of us are wrong about things in our life but the truth never changes. If I am wrong about something then a person who has the truth should be rebuking me. If I am wrong then I will have no good defense. There is no good defense of contraception as I hope you have seen today, there is only brainwashing and faulty logic, and denial of the facts.

God Bless

[Brittian86]

I disagree. Condoms and NFP both have the same intention behind them - to postpone or avoid pregnancy. I don't believe it's morally wrong just because some men in the church decided that. Condoms are a blessing from God, yes they aren't 100%, but they DO help, AND they do save lives. Question, if your son or daughter was about to have sex with someone with HIV, would you rather them "have no barriors" or use something that has a great chance of saving their life?

[thealphacrow]

you disagree erroneously. Condoms permit a couple to engage in an act of sex. NFP requires self control and not having sex.

Having sex

Not having sex

They are polar opposites.

[thealphacrow]

If my son or daughter were sexually active outside of marriage they would know the facts of their actions.

Condoms don't protect against HPV and condoms have helped to spread HPV because teens have been taught that condoms=safe sex. This is an error, in fact condoms promote teen sexual activity, they are not a help.

[Brittian86]

I didn't say outside of marriage, I meant as a teenager or young adult. People make mistakes, and yes, condoms are misused often, but the do give us another chance should we make a mistake, which by statistics, most young people do have sex before they are married. I say protect them.

[thealphacrow]

STDs are only caused by having sex. Employing strategies to fight STDs by using condoms has proven to be counter productive as the rise of STDs has grown proportionally to the dissemination of condoms.

You can't teach that condoms=safe sex and not be promoting promiscuity.

[Brittian86]

Again, we see things differently. Condoms are misused, but that doesn't mean the condoms are to blame. That's like blaming tylenol for someone overdosing on it. Without condoms, some of us wouldn't be able to have sex (Magic Johnson for example). Should he not be able to be close to his wife because he has HIV?

[thealphacrow]

HIV is nature's way of telling mankind that sex outside of marriage is a bad thing.

If God and religion didn't exist you can still only come to the conclusion that promiscuous sex produces diseases. That's a logical fact. Did Magic Johnson, magically contract HIV? He contracted it from being selfish with sex. These facts are so clear that a person never needs to bring up God in order to point out these sexual facts. It is no coincidence though that nature follows what God's Church teaches though

[Brittian86]

I'm a catholic and this method is NOT 99% effective. Maaaybe 90% when done right, but that means that means a lot of things must go completely right. Statistics show about 25% of people using NFP for one year got pregnant. NFP is not bad, but just know that it's called "family planning" for a reason, it's not very effective. Using NFP with condoms would be very effective.

[thealphacrow]

Condoms are not our friends. A condom is a barrier between 2 lovers. Condoms say, "I don't love the fact that you have fertility".

For 2 people to TRULY love each other to the fullest they need to accept all dimensions of the other person. Fertility is a natural dimension of a human person. Wearing a condom in an attempt to have an orgasm while blocking the natural effects of having an orgasm is a selfish act. Not having sex when a woman is fertile is simply not having sex.

[thealphacrow]

Because of this, condoms are incompatible with love. When you love someone else, you want ALL of the goodness of that other person. Fertility is good and natural. Wearing a condom implies that fertility is not good. If a couple believes that it is beneficial for the family to try and avoid pregnancy, then the RESPONSIBLE act is to not have sex when a woman can get pregnant. Yes this is a teaching that is counter to the secular message on TV but it is the proper teaching.

[thealphacrow]

Catholics do not fit in to a pagan society. Our society teaches "sex on demand". Catholics teach "sex in it's proper place".

A woman's body is in an infertile state for the majority of the time during her cycle. Engaging in sex with your spouse at that time in order to build a deeper relationship is good and ordered. It is not contracepting.

Employing condoms as a way of having an orgasm and muting the effects is a selfish act. You want the orgasm and not the person.

[thealphacrow]

Marriage is a place for two people who understand that their very lives together are for the purpose of unity and procreation, not to have a big car, swimming pool, and fabulous house, and ample vacation time.

Contraception has clearly destroyed the sexual relationship between men and women. This is evident with the growing divorce rate, growing numbers of marital infidelity, sexual promiscuity outside of marriage. Growth of STDs, teen pregnancy. People want sex instead of love.

[thealphacrow]

If people are engaging in sex then they should be expecting to have children. As it is, the sexual "revolution" has changed this. Sex is a recreation first and a procreative act way way down the priority list. This is wrong and unnatural. This is the origin of abortion. If contraception should fail then abortion should be made available is U.S. law. This is wrong.

The pill makes a woman's body think it is pregnant. Chemically pregnant. This is wrong. Now estrogen has polluted our water system.

[HammerofHeretics]

The Pill is only 99% effective if it is used perfectly too.

If you use NFP perfectly, it's 99% effective, and it has zero side effects. If people don't follow the signs of fertility they can get pregnant, but you can't blame that on NFP, that's what's known as "operator error." A person who forgets to take a pill, or doesn't take it at the same time every day also has a greatly increased risk of getting pregnant.

[3slimdog]

I don't pay attention to the pill or NFP, I didn't need too. My way worked the best, here it is, I am 49 now and no children. Thank God. God did another great thing for me. I went thru menopause at 39 and don't have to deal with the female shit every month either. Now God was cooking with gas then. LOL

[HammerofHeretics]

God may have behind your premature menopause, but I wouldn't be too thrilled about that, myself. The low levels of estrogen associated with menopause increase a woman's risk for osteoporosis, colon and ovarian cancer, periodontal (gum) disease and tooth loss, and cataract formation.

[3slimdog]

Hammer, For my job, I have to have a complete exam once a year. And besides my mother having cancer 3x and dying, I even throw in extra then required at these exams. I am healthy as a lark. I am retiring in may and I will still go to have exam once a year. My teeth are beautifull thanks to brushing and getting them cleaned every 6 months. But thank you for your concern. My GYN doc told me I am fit as a fiddle. I was shocked to about early menopause. Gyn said I am fine.

[HammerofHeretics]

Sorry to hear about your mother, because that probably doesn't help your chances with respect to the elevated cancer risk. I hope you stay healthy, but to be on the safe side, be sure to keep getting those checkups (and since this is the Internet, I assure you, I'm not being snarky about that).

[3slimdog]

I know what you mean by the exams being done. You know what I don't understand and probably won't ever? I read in some books and mags, The older you get, the less you need to see the GYN and other kinds of exams and things. I think you would at least need exams like once a year the older you get. Well i guess it wouldn't matter anyway, People just can't afford to go. I am lucky, my husband and me have health insurance. We Paid up the ass for his, he retired. Another story there. insurance, cry.

[3slimdog]

Hammer, I am not trying to be a smartass, I take very good care of myself. Thanks for the information. When my GYN told me I was going thru meno, I couldn't believe it either. I asked others and they say woman are getting menopause early now more than ever. Now don't ask me why, I did not get into details with the doc. I'm lucky after freezing in exam room waiting for 15 to 20 minutes, If I can see and talk with him for 15 min during exam. I lucky if it is 15 min. he in room for.