Watching the Forester vs. the CR-V, and you guys keep saying the Forester sensed the front wheels didn't have traction and so sent it to the back. I thought the point of the Subaru system is that all four wheels are going all the time, so it never needs to "sense" slippage, unlike most other systems?
I never believe test done by the manufacturers. Independent test are more believable. The angle of the cameras used did not allow me to see outside of the garage or underneath the vehicles when said wheels were spinning. Do your own homework unless you are a fanboy.
This obviously only works with the later Subaru models.
I have a Forester GT turbo 2000 model. If one wheel looses traction the car wont move.
Symmetrical AWD means nothing. This guy is dribbling shit, It has all to do with how good the differential locking works. You can have a perfectly symmetrically system and it can be worse than a non-symmetrical system with good differentials. Obvious sales man has read the sales pitch and is just preaching it.
This is a rather dishonest comparison. First, the ZERO traction rollers are generally not representative of real driving conditions. Even the Torsen equipped Hummer would have trouble because it needs some resistance on each wheel for torque to go to all wheels. Second the video is FLAT WRONG when it talks about a transverse engine causing torque steer. That is complete bull shit. Most of those cars DO have equal length half shafts. Do believe the bullshit from the Subaru sales guys.
Turn the traction control / VSA off on the CR-V and it would make it up this ramp. Demonstration of plenty of power going to the rears in real conditions: youtube.com/ watch?v=xEJOeNcAVbM
I see why all trucks are equipped with Four Wheel Drive not All wheel Drive...as working vehicles are built for tough... they are my only selections to survive winter driving in Canada..:D
vw passat is the real winner because 4motion is an extra feature not, like in the case of subaru, the main selling point and it can cope as good as subaru. I reckon audi with quattro would piss all over subaru hence its not included in this "unbiased" test.
I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee with PT 4wd & an open rear diff. In deep snow or off-road it is almost unstoppable.On the road snow up to 1/2 foot, rain pot holes my 99 outback rules. Jeep unfortunately makes no modern equivalent to the light fast fun to drive box Cherokee. I will buy 2011 Subaru Outback h6. It Weighs the same as 1999 outback has far more room and 100 more horsepower, far safer and gets better real world gas mileage. Now that's progress. So what if it looks like a shocked rabbit.
I think they turned off the AWD and TC on Honda and Toyota. It is not hard to simulate traction control, just feather the throttle a little bit and the tire will spin. The front end of the Toyota was moving because the driver was moving the steering wheel 4:36 just focus on his hands.
I'm glad that i never bought the Rav4 or the CRV. The only thing that detoured me was the price (since i refuse to purchase a new car). Now i own an Impreza TS.
you don't have to be gelous, just buy a subaru. i own one and my life is full now. they are amazing. i have a 95 legacy/outback, 2.0, lifted by 4 cm. i really hope that fuji hevy industruies will not lose the correct way of building cars. after-sale policies like renault and other brands. who sell you a car at one price, but you will spend half price on the car in first 5 years. fuck, subaru still works great after 15 years with no major reparations. or do it your own way!
this is a rediculous video. why would you say lets validate a claim...that you just said subaru did not make. also you cannot see all four wheel at the same time. so we have no idea what is happening. dont get me wrong i like subaru but whoever made this did a very poor job of actually proving that subaru is superior.
@HuGx5 Because 'quattro' is based on 4Motion. It's simple, SUBARU didn't want to embarrass Audi, which is the "top" VW's brand based on same components as VW (it also means that you pay too much for an Audi). Don't overstimate makers, that's not objective.
it would be interesting to see the diagonal test on the base Forester and Legacy. With 1 wheel slipping in front and 1 wheel slipping at the rear, the car shouldn't be able to move. I wonder if the Subaru VDC would help in this case.
The traction control on the Honda, and maybe the Toyota as well, needs to be turn OFF since torque is only transferred to the rear wheels when the front wheels slip. With traction control ON, the front wheels were prevented from slipping much, thus not allowing the rear wheels to receive enough torque to climb. I expected them to try turning VSA OFF since they actually explained how the Real Time 4WD system works.
But I guess this wasn't meant to be a very unbiased video!
I wish you would have done the Ford Escape. I would have liked to see how Ford's intelligent fail(4 wheel) wheel drive sytem does it. I hear the Escape only sends power either front or rear wheels and not all 4 like they say.
we recently performed a multi AWD / 4WD testing @ Lancelin West Australia. Petrol (p) & Diesel (d) vehicals. Toyota Landcruiser 09, (p & d) Toyota Prado 09 (p) Nissan Patrol 09 (p), Mitsubishi Outlander 09 (p), Honda CRV 09 (p), Jeep Cher 09 (p) Subaru Forester 09 (p). Of all the tests performed, the Subaru Forester travelled further in sand, higher up sand incline tests without tyre deflation. Every single other vehicle mentioned could not match the Subaru even with deflated tires at 15 psi.
@harmankardonbose I'd like to see your jeep test against my legacy on city streets in a blizzard, or maybe down a winding dirt road. Either way, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
@harmankardonbose Forester is a civilized family car that beats all other civilized family cars. You are trying to prove that heavy weight boxer champion is better by letting him fight with your mom. ;)
@harmankardonbose ok wranglers are very incredible automobiles, but thier 4wd is very unbalanced because the power has to go through a very unbalanced and heavy transfercase, i know the subaru would beat the hell out of a jeep in a traction test, cuz its common physics, and ive owned 4 jeeps (68 & 69 jeepster comando, and 87 &88 jeep cherokee limited [cherokee has the EXACT same layout as the wrangler] ) and 3 subarus (an 1984 gl coupe, 01 forester, a 2005 wrx wagon) and the subaru kills it..
can someone explain why there are so many wagons. do that many people actually like wagons? i think they are ugly and even an 04 wrx wagon showed up for $4,000 i still wouldnt want it
Any truck (landcruiser, pathfinder, etc) will have a transfer case in them, and they will for sure climb the first obstacle.
The 1 tire has traction test would also likely pass for all these vehicles for the rear tires, as most have limited slip differentials, but if they did the front tire has traction test, most would also likely fail, as most 'trucks' have open front differentials.
@crxdelsolsir LOOK .. all those cars u listed there are out of the foresters price range DUUHHH. i mean.... land cruiser??????? wtf is way more expensive. man. its the design of the AWD and the way it functions
@VadimNesen Yes of course they are all being held back apart from the Subaru, this must be why my Subaru over takes everything in snow, even truck.....Subaru must have gone along and added anchors to all the cars on the road except Subaru.
Very interesting video. I can personally verify that Subarus are capable of pulling their full weight up a grade with traction only at either front or rear axle.
However, this guy's reasoning for the vehicles' abilities to climb are completely out his ass. The symmetry of Subaru's drivetrain does not meaningfully affect static traction (nor does an assymmetric design meaningfully hurt it on other cars). The design simply improves handling dynamics and reduces torque steer.
What a child like response. Grow up unless you can back it up.
Does Subaru have a compatible system to Honda SHAWD? Do you even know what made the SHAWD unique (no other system like it) and why it won new automotive technology awards.
I think you should keep it shut unless you know what you can talk about.
What a child like response. Grow up unless you can back it up.
Does Subaru have a compatible system to Honda SHAWD? Do you even know what made the SHAWD unique (no other system like it) and why it won new automotive technology awards.
I think you should keep it shut unless you know what you can talk about.
I have put my 97 Subaru outback through some crazy tests like off roading on logging trails that we have gotten other trucks stuck on or driving through fields with 12 inches + of fresh snow. I'm not saying that their built for that kind of thing but if you really want them to, they'll pull through. As for winter or wet roads nothing holds a candle to my Subaru.
Try the Suzuki SX4....mine goes uphill on ice fully loaded from a dead start. And if I want I can turn off the traction control to really have fun with the curves. And I can totally lock it into 4WD. As long as the snow doesnt get up under the skid and actually lift the car off the ground my SX4 will get me to pizza
@trainlinezoo I will shoot myself in the head before I trade in my subaru for a suzuki... and I promise you my 97 outback will do anything better then a brand new sx4
I'm looking at the new 2010 Legacy, but I'm curious how the other two AWD configurations would do if only one wheel had traction. Can you shed any insight as to how, say, the 2.5GT or 2.5i models would have done?
I really missed Audi... especially 1 quattro grade, when u was able to lock central 50/50 i quess and read 100% ! diff's :) i think this grade of quattro would be hard to beat
They don't test an Audi. That's out of fear- Audi's Torsen is a 60/40 full time split and can partition that in greater contrast when needed. Arguably better than Subaru's. But that will raise dispute, so I will stay with just pointing out that they didn't test then. They should have.
@Stg4100 VW does own Audi, but the system used in the Transverse-mounted Passat is a Haldex system, similar to the one used in the VW R32, Audi TT and A3, and Volvo's AWD cars. Not the same as Audi's typical "Quattro" system.
I'm serious. Subarus are the best car to own for North America... it's one of the best driving snowmobile in the world, reliable, and faaast.. I fall in love with it i bought myself a 2.5RS.. hopefully can work harder to get an 02 WRX.
One question. How do we know that you didn't pull the hand brake during the test with the cars that go up the ramp. The same thing will happen. No back traction if the handbrake is pulled. this test suck's.
At 2:05 you can see a bump... Thats whats adding the resistance I think.
I think the bump is a good way to demonstrate a worst cast scenario. For say if you are driving up a icy gravel road with ripples in it from people driving to fast on the gravel road.
I ran into a familiar situation a few weeks ago, and Im glad to say my 00 Impreza did excellent.
You can clearly see when the cars first pull on to the ramp that there's a short steep section (almost a curb?), so not only do they have to overcome the overall slope, they need to raise much of the weight a few inches over a very short distance. I'll also note that the overall ramp is fairly steep compared to normal roads.
Not to take anything away from the Subie's, which are good cars, but I don't think this has much validity to typical real world scenarios.
@t0rington if you watch closely at teh first second of the video, you'll see a small "obstacle" half black, half white at the passenger side rear wheel. the other one is hidden behind that door.
@t0rington I think you are correct, however all of the vehicles had to overcome the same bump so its still a fair test, maybe a bit harder of a test then intended but since all the vehicles went through this we can clearly see that the subaru's are the most capable vehicles in this video.
@t0rington it think i wouldn't really matter, since 4 wheel drive cars cant switch to front wheel only rear and 4 wheels all together, so if front wheels we rolling that's means car was on 4 wheel drive mode, and you have a point it could be that rear was on the rollers like front wheels (if that's the setup) and again if it would be the case then the car wouldn't sit under angle it would slide all way back.
@t0rington i noticed the bump too but regardless of its presence, the car hsould have enough power transferred to the rear wheels to "push" the car up and over that bump.
@t0rington the bump on the rear wheels outside of the garage are there to simulate the angle of the rest of the ramp, though whieght pull from gravity is not simulated when rear wheels are at that bump.
@t0rington See the other video. They clearly state that a bump is on the bottom of the ramp to determine how a vehicle analyses and overcomes resistance.
IIRC, any Subaru after after 2000 has a limited slip rear diff. My 98 Impreza slips a bit on ice but will go up. My 00 Impreza has no issues because of the rear diff.
Do you need a limited slip diff subaru to pass this test or will any symetrical AWD subaru pass? I got 2010 Base Impreza and wondering if the same principles apply.
@hellanger666 You are only partly right. The AWD system in the Audi TT and A3 is the same as in the VW cars(Haldex based). Bigger Audis offer different kind of AWD.
The quattro system is a full time awd. Ok not by a3 and tt but on the other models it is full time. Vw´s 4 motion has a haldex so you know what it means. It becomes an awd only if the front wheels lose grip. But it has also some advetages e.g. milage and top speed are a little bit higher.
The Audi Q7 was disappointing when I noticed the front wheels just spinning in the snow and not enough torque to allow the rear axle to do its job. And its so much more than a Subaru.
Only TT and A3 Audi's have the same system as Audi. The remaining Quattros use a complete different system. Haldex and Torsen are not the same at all.
you only got half right. All 4 cylinder Audi and VW equip 4 motion(haldex,Wether they call it).Q5 2.0T or A3 2.0T is 4 motion but audi said it's quattro(caused under audi flag)
All V type Audi or VW equip quattro(torsen,whether they call it).phaeton equip with quattro but VW said it's 4 motion cause under VW flag.
wether to judge the vehicle equipe with haldex or torsen,as long as you see wether is V engine or not.
Subaru rocks!! Let's not forget that the Subaru was the first automaker that introduced AWD vehicles to the world in 1972 as well as the first automaker that introduced front wheel drive vehicles in 1967. Subaru has far more experience than any other automaker out there including outrageously overpriced audi...
SuperWroclaw - Subaru's are a very good value - but you sound bitter that you can't afford an Audi?? Audi's and Subaru's are in complete different class...and are priced accordingly. Don't be bitter.
They said its an extreme test at the end with the scubi because the weight is all at the back and their giving only a back tire grip and it has to over come that weight. Thats wrong, You want the weight to be over the wheels with traction, and either way its going to have to move "all that weight".
Also, when any computer program is trying to move power around its normally adviced you don't just floor it, you let off and do it again.
These guys appear to know very little about cars...
Take a suite case containing 50 pounds. Start to lean the bag over & use your hand to keep it from falling. Now slowly begin to lay it on its side using your hand as support. Notice that the weight begins to shift from the bottom of the bag to the front. The total weight of the bag never changes yet as the bag becomes more horizontal it becomes heavier to you. If the car is at an angle the weigh distribution on each tire changes.
To continue...Did you ever push a car a car on level ground? Ever push one up a hill? Gravity changes things. Pushing the car up a hill requires more force to be applied in order to place it into motion.
If you buy a car based on numbers and lab tests, your an idiot. Buy the car that you like best, that makes you the happiest, not the one thats 7% better then the other.
Cars are almost like dogs. If you buy a car you really like even though its not the best, it'll make a normal boring drive fun. That last thing you want in a car is it to be boring, especially considering you'll spend thouasands of dollars on iy and have it for a while.
Just curious, how would the Audi climb up better? The car traveled about 4 feet to the top. Is it a transformer and therefore would walk up the ramp? If both cars are able to climb the ramp that would be pretty much it. Audi could always produce their own video. That would be cool.
Very impressing by Subaru, both the Elagcy and the forester, even though people talk and throw bad words at Subaru I respect it. If you are buying a new car I consider you buy a subie
What components or technology allowed the tested Legacy to climb without hesitation, compared to the tested Forester which spun the front wheels before it climbed?
Is this the difference between "Continuous AWD" and "Active AWD"
or is it enabled by "VTD" or some other feature?
Which 2009/2010 Outbacks/Foresters would handle the climb as the tested Legacy did?
At 2:35, the explanation was incorrect, the slippage of the rear wheels did not cause power to be sent to the front wheels. The front wheels are the default drive wheels and only when the front wheels lose traction will the electronically-controlled center differential (transfer case) send power to the rear wheels. This does not apply to Subaru's with manual transmissions, where the AWD is all-time 50:50 split.
I actually got 2nd place in a rallycross with an Impreza 4EAT. haha I'll be glad to send you the results. And we beat a few Sti's also. power doesn't mean everything.. specially in the dirt. a 4EAT 1st gear is good up too 60km/h ... this has advantages, specially in cornering and exits.. I love my 4EAT !!! :)
I just realized they are trying to sell subaru... no wonder the others cars didn't have a chance, they purposely left the VSA on knowing th crv would not move.
They should have turned the VSA off. The only time the backwheels will kick in is when the front wheels spin, but when VSA is on, the back wheels won't spin. I have an 07 EX-AWD. I got stuck in mud one time, and my wheels in front would spin but then stop because the VSA kicked in. So I turned the VSA off, and then the backwheels kicked in and I was out in no time. So, if they had the VSA off in this test, the CRV would have went up the ramp.
Quattro is NOT the same as VW 4motion (the exceptions are the transverse engined A3 and the TT which utilize the Haldex system, which this video is about).
True Quattros use a Torsen-based AWD which is on all their longitudinal engine configurations. "Torsen" is based upon a TORque SENsing center differential, as opposed to Haldex which uses clutch packs.
There's a persistent myth that Audis are just VWs in a more expensive package...very untrue, especially in this case.
Quattro is NOT the same as VW 4motion (the exceptions are the transverse engined A3 and the TT which utilize the Haldex system, which this video is about).
True Quattros use a Torsen-based AWD which is on all their longitudinal engine configurations. "Torsen" is based upon a TORque SENsing center differential, as opposed to Haldex which uses clutch packs.
There's a persistent myth that Audis are just VWs in a more expensive package...very untrue, especially in this case.
diosssssss quattro no es lo mismo que 4 motion. uno es haldex.. quattro tiene diferenciales torsen. salvo en la tt y el a3.. y obvio qu eno va sabir el vw si esta conectado el control de traccion.. no te permite acelerar ni enviar torque a las ruedas si patinan... si lo desconecto sube perfecto
quattro and 4 motion are not the same.. only de audi a3 use a haldex system "named" quattro, that is the same as 4motion.. other audi models use torsen .. QUATTROO!!!!!!
Really surprised the toyota couldn't climb, considering their off-road reputation. just shows the intent of these cars, purely on-road. Gotta love Subarus
The reason the subaru didn't have any issues with the rears on "ice" is because the front is a direct drive, not because it "sensed it" the rear drive is through a center diff. A very good drive system though.
now if it had a LSD front/rear/center diff.. that'd be fun!
i have a 99 CRV LX and i've tested the 4WD on the ice and it seems to me it's working fine, all 4 wheels spin untill movement occurs. my guess is all that electronic systems that get in the way.
A great video. Did not realize all the other makers could not do well.
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7150285 1 year ago
I've love to see you guys do a test like this with an STI with DCCD in lock.
fnkimnki24 1 year ago 4
got 1 question: wouldn't the back wheels of AWD vehicle locked up as well if the transmission is in park????
7150285 1 year ago
Watching the Forester vs. the CR-V, and you guys keep saying the Forester sensed the front wheels didn't have traction and so sent it to the back. I thought the point of the Subaru system is that all four wheels are going all the time, so it never needs to "sense" slippage, unlike most other systems?
3tadt30ldat 1 year ago 5
I have a Subaru and I love Subarus, HOWEVER, this test is useless with a direct comparision against Audi Quattro.
jasonsatya123 1 year ago 7
I never believe test done by the manufacturers. Independent test are more believable. The angle of the cameras used did not allow me to see outside of the garage or underneath the vehicles when said wheels were spinning. Do your own homework unless you are a fanboy.
s14sr 1 year ago 5
An Audi isn't even in the same category as a Subaru. Not all of us can waste our money on a $40,000+ car.
spencer769 1 year ago 4
I would love to see the E class 4matic in this test. And Audi quattro.
kitchendog 1 year ago
subaro vs awd lol where is a quattro ??
boskitolo 1 year ago 2
This obviously only works with the later Subaru models.
I have a Forester GT turbo 2000 model. If one wheel looses traction the car wont move.
Symmetrical AWD means nothing. This guy is dribbling shit, It has all to do with how good the differential locking works. You can have a perfectly symmetrically system and it can be worse than a non-symmetrical system with good differentials. Obvious sales man has read the sales pitch and is just preaching it.
finnsk3 1 year ago 22
Subaru does it best. i love mine.
TopRamenKickAss 1 year ago
so basically what they're saying is that you need a locking transfer case "be it auto or manual" to climb that ramp?
ChevRcr454 1 year ago
This is a rather dishonest comparison. First, the ZERO traction rollers are generally not representative of real driving conditions. Even the Torsen equipped Hummer would have trouble because it needs some resistance on each wheel for torque to go to all wheels. Second the video is FLAT WRONG when it talks about a transverse engine causing torque steer. That is complete bull shit. Most of those cars DO have equal length half shafts. Do believe the bullshit from the Subaru sales guys.
ralathr 1 year ago 2
Turn the traction control / VSA off on the CR-V and it would make it up this ramp. Demonstration of plenty of power going to the rears in real conditions: youtube.com/ watch?v=xEJOeNcAVbM
asmiddleditch 1 year ago
Turn the traction control/vsa off on the CR-V and it would make it up this ramp.
asmiddleditch 1 year ago 2
4Motion suxx
sunnygta 1 year ago
4Motion sucks
sunnygta 1 year ago
its funny how the suvs failed and the cars did good.
DevPack 1 year ago
Good video.. I allready knew Subaru has a superd AWD system..
But how does it compare to Mercedes 4-matic.. And Audi A6 Quattro ?
Eirik280TE 1 year ago
I see why all trucks are equipped with Four Wheel Drive not All wheel Drive...as working vehicles are built for tough... they are my only selections to survive winter driving in Canada..:D
monsword 1 year ago
WTF is wrong with the Japs and their FWD bias. That's why I'd never buy a Honda or a Toyota. Nissan is the best when it comes to Japanese cars.
dboucher26 1 year ago
God that video talks some utter utter bollocks.
Does anyone make a car with unequal length driveshafts anymore?
And as it the passat can't climb with one wheel having traction as the gearbox is mounted transversely what total and utter bollocks.
Nothing what so ever to do with the 4wd system or the diffs, its the length of the driveshafts
Erm yeah
thinfourth 1 year ago
vw passat is the real winner because 4motion is an extra feature not, like in the case of subaru, the main selling point and it can cope as good as subaru. I reckon audi with quattro would piss all over subaru hence its not included in this "unbiased" test.
z00h 1 year ago
I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee with PT 4wd & an open rear diff. In deep snow or off-road it is almost unstoppable.On the road snow up to 1/2 foot, rain pot holes my 99 outback rules. Jeep unfortunately makes no modern equivalent to the light fast fun to drive box Cherokee. I will buy 2011 Subaru Outback h6. It Weighs the same as 1999 outback has far more room and 100 more horsepower, far safer and gets better real world gas mileage. Now that's progress. So what if it looks like a shocked rabbit.
fatboy19831 1 year ago
I think they turned off the AWD and TC on Honda and Toyota. It is not hard to simulate traction control, just feather the throttle a little bit and the tire will spin. The front end of the Toyota was moving because the driver was moving the steering wheel 4:36 just focus on his hands.
qualibra 1 year ago
What? No Audi? This test is incomplete until you add quattro to the equation.
smjanows 1 year ago
ok but passat had incomplite 4Motion. It didn't have EDS, that why it can't move on only one wheel.
zloty04 1 year ago
Great real life comparison!
ss19800 1 year ago
See the other video. They clearly state that a bump is on the bottom of the ramp to determine how a vehicle analyses and overcomes resistance.
jwsmith519 1 year ago
I'm very proud to be a Subaru owner.
caka23 1 year ago
you cant compare the subaru with a piece of shit vw and all Subarus since 1996 have AWD standard
geturblanks 1 year ago
I'm glad that i never bought the Rav4 or the CRV. The only thing that detoured me was the price (since i refuse to purchase a new car). Now i own an Impreza TS.
Never stuck once.
trybal007 1 year ago
you don't have to be gelous, just buy a subaru. i own one and my life is full now. they are amazing. i have a 95 legacy/outback, 2.0, lifted by 4 cm. i really hope that fuji hevy industruies will not lose the correct way of building cars. after-sale policies like renault and other brands. who sell you a car at one price, but you will spend half price on the car in first 5 years. fuck, subaru still works great after 15 years with no major reparations. or do it your own way!
cecenoo 1 year ago
this is a rediculous video. why would you say lets validate a claim...that you just said subaru did not make. also you cannot see all four wheel at the same time. so we have no idea what is happening. dont get me wrong i like subaru but whoever made this did a very poor job of actually proving that subaru is superior.
bballnam 1 year ago
Go legacy! :)
littlejaynjay 1 year ago
showing us the rest of the vehicles would be ideal and of course, even more persuasive.
macmiz 1 year ago
no Quattro ??? why ..
HuGx5 1 year ago 4
@HuGx5 You DO realize how much a 2008+ Audi costs, RIGHT?
Ryoukun16 1 year ago
@HuGx5 Because 'quattro' is based on 4Motion. It's simple, SUBARU didn't want to embarrass Audi, which is the "top" VW's brand based on same components as VW (it also means that you pay too much for an Audi). Don't overstimate makers, that's not objective.
DtorBillAgain 1 year ago
@HuGx5 cuz the quatro system is the exact same thing as VW 4 motion
EthansOpinion92 1 year ago
nc 1
27queency 1 year ago
it would be interesting to see the diagonal test on the base Forester and Legacy. With 1 wheel slipping in front and 1 wheel slipping at the rear, the car shouldn't be able to move. I wonder if the Subaru VDC would help in this case.
wow0yunnies 1 year ago
Well Done Sir!!
foothill5 1 year ago
The traction control on the Honda, and maybe the Toyota as well, needs to be turn OFF since torque is only transferred to the rear wheels when the front wheels slip. With traction control ON, the front wheels were prevented from slipping much, thus not allowing the rear wheels to receive enough torque to climb. I expected them to try turning VSA OFF since they actually explained how the Real Time 4WD system works.
But I guess this wasn't meant to be a very unbiased video!
Jaimejjb 1 year ago 2
Subaru for the win, against ALL comers
triumph1974 1 year ago 2
lol, honda's 4wd is bullshit
rramkhal 1 year ago
Very good video!!!! i have a subaru wrx, very good in winter or in muddy roads.
siouxfall 1 year ago
This is an excellent video, for traction and control, I definitely put my money on Subaru.
c2plex 1 year ago
I wish you would have done the Ford Escape. I would have liked to see how Ford's intelligent fail(4 wheel) wheel drive sytem does it. I hear the Escape only sends power either front or rear wheels and not all 4 like they say.
leadnsteel 1 year ago
we recently performed a multi AWD / 4WD testing @ Lancelin West Australia. Petrol (p) & Diesel (d) vehicals. Toyota Landcruiser 09, (p & d) Toyota Prado 09 (p) Nissan Patrol 09 (p), Mitsubishi Outlander 09 (p), Honda CRV 09 (p), Jeep Cher 09 (p) Subaru Forester 09 (p). Of all the tests performed, the Subaru Forester travelled further in sand, higher up sand incline tests without tyre deflation. Every single other vehicle mentioned could not match the Subaru even with deflated tires at 15 psi.
enigmaoz 1 year ago 2
I would like to watch a Legacy on a muddy hill and rock climbing test against a Wrangler Rubicon to see if it is good enough like they say...
harmankardonbose 1 year ago
@harmankardonbose lol what? traction, not clearance.
Sethjxl 1 year ago
@harmankardonbose I'd like to see your jeep test against my legacy on city streets in a blizzard, or maybe down a winding dirt road. Either way, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
SpecB56 1 year ago 21
@harmankardonbose Forester is a civilized family car that beats all other civilized family cars. You are trying to prove that heavy weight boxer champion is better by letting him fight with your mom. ;)
OhFishyFish 1 year ago 2
@harmankardonbose ok wranglers are very incredible automobiles, but thier 4wd is very unbalanced because the power has to go through a very unbalanced and heavy transfercase, i know the subaru would beat the hell out of a jeep in a traction test, cuz its common physics, and ive owned 4 jeeps (68 & 69 jeepster comando, and 87 &88 jeep cherokee limited [cherokee has the EXACT same layout as the wrangler] ) and 3 subarus (an 1984 gl coupe, 01 forester, a 2005 wrx wagon) and the subaru kills it..
EthansOpinion92 1 year ago
can someone explain why there are so many wagons. do that many people actually like wagons? i think they are ugly and even an 04 wrx wagon showed up for $4,000 i still wouldnt want it
paintballgundown8 1 year ago
Where is the Land Cruiser (Toyota)
Where is the Path Finder (Nissan)
Where is MDX with SHAWD (Honda)
Where is the Evo with AYC (Mitsubishi)
Throw a Hummvee for crying out loud and i bet it will climb over it.
This Subaru Advert is filthy and is definitely a Subaru advertisement only. They are not even comparing same 4wd systems.
I like Subaru's but claiming they are the only ones that know how to build AWD is pure BS!!
crxdelsolsir 1 year ago
@crxdelsolsir
Guy, 4x4/4WD and AWD are different things.
Any truck (landcruiser, pathfinder, etc) will have a transfer case in them, and they will for sure climb the first obstacle.
The 1 tire has traction test would also likely pass for all these vehicles for the rear tires, as most have limited slip differentials, but if they did the front tire has traction test, most would also likely fail, as most 'trucks' have open front differentials.
risetruck1 1 year ago
@crxdelsolsir
compared suv vs suv
cruiser, path finder - it's big car
vnchester 1 year ago
@crxdelsolsir LOOK .. all those cars u listed there are out of the foresters price range DUUHHH. i mean.... land cruiser??????? wtf is way more expensive. man. its the design of the AWD and the way it functions
9Toast 1 year ago
tell me if the rear wheel (HIDDEN 4 SOME REASON) has an obstacle holding it back, all except the subaru, ......BULL !%!@$
VadimNesen 1 year ago
@VadimNesen if you actully whatch every vehicle has that black stopper and every time the rear end has to go over it. even subaru
codysk8ter95 1 year ago
@VadimNesen Yes of course they are all being held back apart from the Subaru, this must be why my Subaru over takes everything in snow, even truck.....Subaru must have gone along and added anchors to all the cars on the road except Subaru.
triumph1974 1 year ago
Study from years of WRC experiences,
Suby knows how to control wheels in low traction surfaces
Honda must stick with its fantastic V-TECH engines...
cuz CR-V is just another off-roader wannabe which failed in on and off
geriunkoshikko 1 year ago
I've had a 09 Outback now for 15 months. It made it through a northern Indiana monster winter with no problems. It's a great ride.
Tardisius 1 year ago 2
Very interesting video. I can personally verify that Subarus are capable of pulling their full weight up a grade with traction only at either front or rear axle.
However, this guy's reasoning for the vehicles' abilities to climb are completely out his ass. The symmetry of Subaru's drivetrain does not meaningfully affect static traction (nor does an assymmetric design meaningfully hurt it on other cars). The design simply improves handling dynamics and reduces torque steer.
james614 1 year ago
SH-AWD would also do that...
Tribubikingteam 1 year ago
Honda = suck
Subaru = OWNAGE!
italianbro225 1 year ago 64
@italianbro225 that's a resumed way of saying it :)
laborantiazzurro 1 year ago
@italianbro225
What a child like response. Grow up unless you can back it up.
Does Subaru have a compatible system to Honda SHAWD? Do you even know what made the SHAWD unique (no other system like it) and why it won new automotive technology awards.
I think you should keep it shut unless you know what you can talk about.
crxdelsolsir 1 year ago
@italianbro225
What a child like response. Grow up unless you can back it up.
Does Subaru have a compatible system to Honda SHAWD? Do you even know what made the SHAWD unique (no other system like it) and why it won new automotive technology awards.
I think you should keep it shut unless you know what you can talk about.
crxdelsolsir 1 year ago
the jeep quadra-drive is better that all of these
sampwell819 1 year ago
Audi's quattro system uses a similar layout to the subaru, so the results would probably be similar.
Philx4xFar 1 year ago
can some one explain why the CRV was able to boost it self up half way the slope and then not being able to move further up?
kushiyuki 1 year ago
I have put my 97 Subaru outback through some crazy tests like off roading on logging trails that we have gotten other trucks stuck on or driving through fields with 12 inches + of fresh snow. I'm not saying that their built for that kind of thing but if you really want them to, they'll pull through. As for winter or wet roads nothing holds a candle to my Subaru.
TheBear800 1 year ago
Try the Suzuki SX4....mine goes uphill on ice fully loaded from a dead start. And if I want I can turn off the traction control to really have fun with the curves. And I can totally lock it into 4WD. As long as the snow doesnt get up under the skid and actually lift the car off the ground my SX4 will get me to pizza
trainlinezoo 1 year ago
@trainlinezoo I will shoot myself in the head before I trade in my subaru for a suzuki... and I promise you my 97 outback will do anything better then a brand new sx4
TheBear800 1 year ago 2
I'm looking at the new 2010 Legacy, but I'm curious how the other two AWD configurations would do if only one wheel had traction. Can you shed any insight as to how, say, the 2.5GT or 2.5i models would have done?
gmnstrunr37 1 year ago
@Sobreviviente08
Thats exactly how Subaru's system works.
Neither Audi OR Subaru will ever show each others cars in tests like these...because both will always do whatever the task.
loweredtalon 1 year ago
asi no mas xD
eMulithox 1 year ago
NO X drive? NO AUDI..?
8motion 1 year ago
Subarus are better with a ratio of 50/50 so its better than Quattro
TheXela79 1 year ago
I really missed Audi... especially 1 quattro grade, when u was able to lock central 50/50 i quess and read 100% ! diff's :) i think this grade of quattro would be hard to beat
JZ753 1 year ago
They don't test an Audi. That's out of fear- Audi's Torsen is a 60/40 full time split and can partition that in greater contrast when needed. Arguably better than Subaru's. But that will raise dispute, so I will stay with just pointing out that they didn't test then. They should have.
Sobreviviente08 1 year ago
VW owns audi same system
Stg4100 1 year ago
@Stg4100 VW does own Audi, but the system used in the Transverse-mounted Passat is a Haldex system, similar to the one used in the VW R32, Audi TT and A3, and Volvo's AWD cars. Not the same as Audi's typical "Quattro" system.
skot53 1 year ago
Good demo but do the test against the Honda Pilot with VTM and see. Probably need 2 wheels to have traction to climb I guess.
netman88 1 year ago
I'm serious. Subarus are the best car to own for North America... it's one of the best driving snowmobile in the world, reliable, and faaast.. I fall in love with it i bought myself a 2.5RS.. hopefully can work harder to get an 02 WRX.
hadabenz 1 year ago
pretty perfectly happy with my 09 legacy gt
davecoolsdf 1 year ago
why we dont see the the back wheels?
catalinux007leiro 1 year ago
kanon bra! (y)
viktorlkpg2 1 year ago
thank you !!!!!!If people can't understand this they drive honda or toyota or .........
lesanek3572 1 year ago
Great work guys plz have more demos
supraking21 1 year ago
More than a few fundamental misunderstandings of physics noted by the commentary. Why all the straw man fallacy?
vreference 2 years ago
lol, Audi quattro =/ VW 4motion
VW 4motion is Haldex of course
Audi quattro is Torsen (not in TT and A3)
that's why there is no Audi (it would climb better than Subaru)
maciejzki 2 years ago
thats fantastic!
but is my 92 loyale the same?
crammage 2 years ago
very informative
Cowboyfive0 2 years ago
One question. How do we know that you didn't pull the hand brake during the test with the cars that go up the ramp. The same thing will happen. No back traction if the handbrake is pulled. this test suck's.
and1vortex 2 years ago
OK, I have to ask....cuz I've been pondering over this video for a few days now: Why couldn't we see the rear wheels?
Is it because there was no nice way to film this? A limitation of being in a garage?
I ask, because it would appear that the rear wheels have to overcome a bump before making their way up the ramp.
t0rington 2 years ago 15
At 2:05 you can see a bump... Thats whats adding the resistance I think.
I think the bump is a good way to demonstrate a worst cast scenario. For say if you are driving up a icy gravel road with ripples in it from people driving to fast on the gravel road.
I ran into a familiar situation a few weeks ago, and Im glad to say my 00 Impreza did excellent.
milestoempty 2 years ago
@t0rington
You can clearly see when the cars first pull on to the ramp that there's a short steep section (almost a curb?), so not only do they have to overcome the overall slope, they need to raise much of the weight a few inches over a very short distance. I'll also note that the overall ramp is fairly steep compared to normal roads.
Not to take anything away from the Subie's, which are good cars, but I don't think this has much validity to typical real world scenarios.
90210steve 1 year ago
@t0rington if you watch closely at teh first second of the video, you'll see a small "obstacle" half black, half white at the passenger side rear wheel. the other one is hidden behind that door.
timsk 1 year ago
@t0rington Does it really matter? under normal circumstances you would expect bumps in the road wouldn't you?!
Slurfs 1 year ago
@t0rington You can see the systems working when they are on the ramp. Try to be realistic
DtorBill 1 year ago
@t0rington i agree........room for manipulation
wackoguywatch 1 year ago
@t0rington the forester had the same bump
cheddaa 1 year ago
@t0rington I think you are correct, however all of the vehicles had to overcome the same bump so its still a fair test, maybe a bit harder of a test then intended but since all the vehicles went through this we can clearly see that the subaru's are the most capable vehicles in this video.
XxTwinky 1 year ago
@t0rington it think i wouldn't really matter, since 4 wheel drive cars cant switch to front wheel only rear and 4 wheels all together, so if front wheels we rolling that's means car was on 4 wheel drive mode, and you have a point it could be that rear was on the rollers like front wheels (if that's the setup) and again if it would be the case then the car wouldn't sit under angle it would slide all way back.
hovrashko 1 year ago
@t0rington i noticed the bump too but regardless of its presence, the car hsould have enough power transferred to the rear wheels to "push" the car up and over that bump.
cnguyen32 1 year ago
@t0rington the bump on the rear wheels outside of the garage are there to simulate the angle of the rest of the ramp, though whieght pull from gravity is not simulated when rear wheels are at that bump.
EthansOpinion92 1 year ago
@t0rington See the other video. They clearly state that a bump is on the bottom of the ramp to determine how a vehicle analyses and overcomes resistance.
jwsmith519 1 year ago
@t0rington a few days to realize a bump? should have been a minute.
losercust 1 year ago
They left out the Toyota Land Cruiser, Mitsubishi S-AWC system, and the Range Rover.
flanker271 2 years ago 2
@flanker271 I think thats because they are a different class of car.
smokelesshassh 2 years ago
So a Subaru Impreza without VTD would basically perform like the Passat did?
vpsaline 2 years ago
IIRC, any Subaru after after 2000 has a limited slip rear diff. My 98 Impreza slips a bit on ice but will go up. My 00 Impreza has no issues because of the rear diff.
milestoempty 2 years ago
@vpsaline all subarus share the same system.
smokelesshassh 2 years ago
Do you need a limited slip diff subaru to pass this test or will any symetrical AWD subaru pass? I got 2010 Base Impreza and wondering if the same principles apply.
vpsaline 2 years ago
The system doesn't actually sense loss of power to the rear wheels...the rear never gets power unless the front is slipping.
arthur84 2 years ago
just to let you know, AUDI and VW system are the same. They do kick ass but subaru's system is indeed better.
hellanger666 2 years ago
@hellanger666 You are only partly right. The AWD system in the Audi TT and A3 is the same as in the VW cars(Haldex based). Bigger Audis offer different kind of AWD.
irreligious80 2 years ago
The quattro system is a full time awd. Ok not by a3 and tt but on the other models it is full time. Vw´s 4 motion has a haldex so you know what it means. It becomes an awd only if the front wheels lose grip. But it has also some advetages e.g. milage and top speed are a little bit higher.
klramon 2 years ago
The Audi Q7 was disappointing when I noticed the front wheels just spinning in the snow and not enough torque to allow the rear axle to do its job. And its so much more than a Subaru.
Truemoderate 2 years ago 2
Only TT and A3 Audi's have the same system as Audi. The remaining Quattros use a complete different system. Haldex and Torsen are not the same at all.
Amidat 2 years ago
hellanger - only TT and A3 Audi's use the same system as VW (Haldex). All the other Audi's use a Torsen system. Not the same at all!!!
Amidat 2 years ago 2
you only got half right. All 4 cylinder Audi and VW equip 4 motion(haldex,Wether they call it).Q5 2.0T or A3 2.0T is 4 motion but audi said it's quattro(caused under audi flag)
All V type Audi or VW equip quattro(torsen,whether they call it).phaeton equip with quattro but VW said it's 4 motion cause under VW flag.
wether to judge the vehicle equipe with haldex or torsen,as long as you see wether is V engine or not.
zxy1987106 2 years ago
@Amidat I'm considering a Subie. Would you have any info or reliable links comparing the Subaru and Audi systems?
Fr33Fisting 1 year ago
Put a LC there instead and watch the show.
perpelle 2 years ago
Any patr-time 4wd system will manage this obstacle. This video talk about crossovers, but not about classic LC, Jeep, Nissan ;-)))
MaxVassilyev 2 years ago
check out my channel for a SUBARU WRX STI PULLING A TRUCK OUT OF SNOW !!!
mrcraka 2 years ago 2
i need to get me a subaru but iam gonna wait till the diesel come out.
teamkvs 2 years ago
thats pretty dumb...
mrwashur1991 2 years ago
subaru symmetrical awd system ftw
LiLTMac123 2 years ago
i know that subaru has a good traction, cuz i drive a sti, but they should of test the audi and a mitsubishi evo.
Oscar1888d 2 years ago
Honda FWD :@))))
jerrysson 2 years ago
Subaru rocks!! Let's not forget that the Subaru was the first automaker that introduced AWD vehicles to the world in 1972 as well as the first automaker that introduced front wheel drive vehicles in 1967. Subaru has far more experience than any other automaker out there including outrageously overpriced audi...
SuperWroclaw 2 years ago
SuperWroclaw - Subaru's are a very good value - but you sound bitter that you can't afford an Audi?? Audi's and Subaru's are in complete different class...and are priced accordingly. Don't be bitter.
Amidat 2 years ago
Yeah , subaru is much better. Put the impreza up against any of the audis on the track and you'll probably be surprised, but I wont.
Zgodni12 2 years ago
They said its an extreme test at the end with the scubi because the weight is all at the back and their giving only a back tire grip and it has to over come that weight. Thats wrong, You want the weight to be over the wheels with traction, and either way its going to have to move "all that weight".
Also, when any computer program is trying to move power around its normally adviced you don't just floor it, you let off and do it again.
These guys appear to know very little about cars...
SuperleggeraVW 2 years ago
Take a suite case containing 50 pounds. Start to lean the bag over & use your hand to keep it from falling. Now slowly begin to lay it on its side using your hand as support. Notice that the weight begins to shift from the bottom of the bag to the front. The total weight of the bag never changes yet as the bag becomes more horizontal it becomes heavier to you. If the car is at an angle the weigh distribution on each tire changes.
BhagaVideo 2 years ago
To continue...Did you ever push a car a car on level ground? Ever push one up a hill? Gravity changes things. Pushing the car up a hill requires more force to be applied in order to place it into motion.
BhagaVideo 2 years ago
If you buy a car based on numbers and lab tests, your an idiot. Buy the car that you like best, that makes you the happiest, not the one thats 7% better then the other.
Cars are almost like dogs. If you buy a car you really like even though its not the best, it'll make a normal boring drive fun. That last thing you want in a car is it to be boring, especially considering you'll spend thouasands of dollars on iy and have it for a while.
SuperleggeraVW 2 years ago
Subaru's AWD system looks convincing, but why didn't they put AUDI in the competition?...BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WOULD CLIMB UP BETTER
7171561200 2 years ago
No, because the VW uses the same system.
blankman2g 2 years ago
@7171561200 dude, 4motion = Quattro. I towuld have just been redundant
compu829 2 years ago
No need, they tested the VW...
andreasrossevold 2 years ago
Do you know anything about AUDI? They actually did test it in the VW 4-MOTION!
DAFTEK 2 years ago
AUDI = VW 4-MOTION So it was tested and failed. :)
DAFTEK 2 years ago
I agree, AUDI would do it better, but AUDIs generally cost way more than Subies...so it's a good buy if u don't have AUDI money.
chiefafro9er 2 years ago
Umm did you notice that they tested a VW Passat? The 4motion is pretty much the same as quattro.
TittyClamps 2 years ago
Just curious, how would the Audi climb up better? The car traveled about 4 feet to the top. Is it a transformer and therefore would walk up the ramp? If both cars are able to climb the ramp that would be pretty much it. Audi could always produce their own video. That would be cool.
BhagaVideo 2 years ago
put a nissan pathfinder in the test. It will rape the compitition.
aquateenI16 2 years ago
Very impressing by Subaru, both the Elagcy and the forester, even though people talk and throw bad words at Subaru I respect it. If you are buying a new car I consider you buy a subie
crazzyboy99 2 years ago
I wonder how Evo IX and GDB STI would compare on this test.
djturbojp7 2 years ago 2
What components or technology allowed the tested Legacy to climb without hesitation, compared to the tested Forester which spun the front wheels before it climbed?
Is this the difference between "Continuous AWD" and "Active AWD"
or is it enabled by "VTD" or some other feature?
Which 2009/2010 Outbacks/Foresters would handle the climb as the tested Legacy did?
Thanks
SeeLighter 2 years ago
I'm sold.
m0umba0 2 years ago
At 2:35, the explanation was incorrect, the slippage of the rear wheels did not cause power to be sent to the front wheels. The front wheels are the default drive wheels and only when the front wheels lose traction will the electronically-controlled center differential (transfer case) send power to the rear wheels. This does not apply to Subaru's with manual transmissions, where the AWD is all-time 50:50 split.
jgizzy 2 years ago
Unfortunately, the 4EAT is still too slow to rallycross.
Good for Subaru, is that they make it SUPER easy to lock the center diff.
4EAT's main advantage is that it's traction control is actually predictive. 5MTs are reactive. Either way they're both amazing.
formula90II 2 years ago
I actually got 2nd place in a rallycross with an Impreza 4EAT. haha I'll be glad to send you the results. And we beat a few Sti's also. power doesn't mean everything.. specially in the dirt. a 4EAT 1st gear is good up too 60km/h ... this has advantages, specially in cornering and exits.. I love my 4EAT !!! :)
robinleveille220988 2 years ago
I just realized they are trying to sell subaru... no wonder the others cars didn't have a chance, they purposely left the VSA on knowing th crv would not move.
weavie 2 years ago
They should have turned the VSA off. The only time the backwheels will kick in is when the front wheels spin, but when VSA is on, the back wheels won't spin. I have an 07 EX-AWD. I got stuck in mud one time, and my wheels in front would spin but then stop because the VSA kicked in. So I turned the VSA off, and then the backwheels kicked in and I was out in no time. So, if they had the VSA off in this test, the CRV would have went up the ramp.
weavie 2 years ago
highlanders 4x4 is good. so is liberty jeep. good trucks.
12valvepower1 2 years ago
on asphalt. my wrx on snow and mud tires is still great. in rain, unstoppable. in muddy field. incredible.
12valvepower1 2 years ago
Symmetry or not, Subies climb where the others fail! :D
luminaeus 2 years ago
Subaru AWD will ALWAYS beat the competition!
PanamaIsMyName 2 years ago
loganmtanner:
Quattro is NOT the same as VW 4motion (the exceptions are the transverse engined A3 and the TT which utilize the Haldex system, which this video is about).
True Quattros use a Torsen-based AWD which is on all their longitudinal engine configurations. "Torsen" is based upon a TORque SENsing center differential, as opposed to Haldex which uses clutch packs.
There's a persistent myth that Audis are just VWs in a more expensive package...very untrue, especially in this case.
TravisBick1e 2 years ago
loganmtanner:
Quattro is NOT the same as VW 4motion (the exceptions are the transverse engined A3 and the TT which utilize the Haldex system, which this video is about).
True Quattros use a Torsen-based AWD which is on all their longitudinal engine configurations. "Torsen" is based upon a TORque SENsing center differential, as opposed to Haldex which uses clutch packs.
There's a persistent myth that Audis are just VWs in a more expensive package...very untrue, especially in this case.
TravisBick1e 2 years ago
diosssssss quattro no es lo mismo que 4 motion. uno es haldex.. quattro tiene diferenciales torsen. salvo en la tt y el a3.. y obvio qu eno va sabir el vw si esta conectado el control de traccion.. no te permite acelerar ni enviar torque a las ruedas si patinan... si lo desconecto sube perfecto
ftk668 2 years ago
Damn good video def will help me make a decision on which i would like to get.
Ace7433 2 years ago
quattro and 4 motion are not the same.. only de audi a3 use a haldex system "named" quattro, that is the same as 4motion.. other audi models use torsen .. QUATTROO!!!!!!
ftk668 2 years ago
Really surprised the toyota couldn't climb, considering their off-road reputation. just shows the intent of these cars, purely on-road. Gotta love Subarus
boatie89 2 years ago
The reason the subaru didn't have any issues with the rears on "ice" is because the front is a direct drive, not because it "sensed it" the rear drive is through a center diff. A very good drive system though.
now if it had a LSD front/rear/center diff.. that'd be fun!
juggalettereason 2 years ago
Thats weird
i have a 99 CRV LX and i've tested the 4WD on the ice and it seems to me it's working fine, all 4 wheels spin untill movement occurs. my guess is all that electronic systems that get in the way.
UnreleasedWKR 2 years ago
Awesome! Thats why Symmetry my friend!
Mailme81 2 years ago
I like this video it really show the true AWD. would u do test on ford Fusion AWD . also in hill .
zx220zx 2 years ago
good video great job.
It's hard for people to believe unless they drive. Driving my suby in the rain the an awsome experience to say the least
pc4400 2 years ago