Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
Rand was restating the obvious. Think for yourself. A=A. You're responsible for your own actions. What made her novels so bad was the extremity. "Yeah, we should be so individualistic as to ditch society and live by ourselves in Colorado."
No self-respecting human would abandon humanity like that. It's just not in the cards.
i think maby aynn might have wrote the book while travleing out west. on i-84 in utah, there is a sign by the tracks that says; taggert and wyoming and colorado have oil fields and large refineries. it was really cool for me to see this and many other things out there that suggested this theory
It amazes me how these mindless free market dupes continuously yank from Ayn Rand's dusty utters. This morally bankrupt hypocrite secretly applied for social security and used medicare to pay for her cancer treatments.
The movie has no passion, no humor, and the weave is lifeless. Dagney, Rearden, and Francisco are there but all alone until the last 60 seconds when "Atlas Shrugged" finally arrives.
Oh the struggle to get PART of a film made.! 53 YEARS IN THE MAKING! .........Um, so what.
As if it being on screen is important at all. It's not. It's important that it be brilliant.
It's not.
Like he says here, I wish I "could have jumped in and said, 'You know what, STOP'."
cont'd...He's using the oldest tactic in the book, basically saying "This is going to be fair and balanced" before he portrays the political ideals HE doesn't like with vitriolic, hate-spewing characters while the champions of his political viewpoint are angels and rogues of rationalization.
I'm calling bullshit from the very beginning of this video--the guy says you can't have a guy say "This is what I stand for" and have a good movie, and that you should present audiences with many sides and see which ones the audience picks. BULLSHIIIIIIIT!!!!! The characters in this story are MEANT to uplift a SINGLE agenda: Ayn Rand's agenda. I'm not saying she's entirely wrong, but the book WAS MEANT to do exactly what he says he's not doing, and I suspect his film will be the same. He's...
@Gorshkin111 I think you misunderstood what the director was saying. He is saying that the character has choices and his personality is defined by his choices, rather than just having the character stand up and explain it in words.
the irony with the critics of Atlas and Rand's philosophy is that, in some respects, many probably live their lives exactly like Ayn had believed in: Responsibility, ownership, integrity, hard work.
I live in the outer limits of the country where there's no theater playing the movie, and I can't see the premier. So if you were planning on watching it, bring one extra friend. :-)
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, abundantly in evidence here, is that her critics must distort everything that she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual's rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility not self-indulgence, and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others' ends. How many critics would dare to honestly state these ideas, & say "...and that's what I reject?"
Like anyone in politics, MSM, banking, and hierarchyof the military, isn't a complete complicit P.O.S.
The people are so f*cking stupid they can't even see it when the US goes to war with Libya without congress or the constitution, and no one, especially in MSM, really addresses it.
The complete opposite of "one love" is what is going to bring about real change; and then it's still a gamble.
WATCH: CORPORATION NATION *full* on YT. The US is a corp. Why the "global economy" company store? DURRR
"...he doesn't owe you shit...". YES YES YES! This made me leap to my feet and pump my fist in the air. My hope is this movie will spark more interest in the book and the momentum from that will put our great nation back on track where each person is raised with the primary understanding that you are responsible for your own destiny.
"...he doesn't owe you shit...". YES YES YES! This made me leap to my feet and pump my fist in the air. My hope is this movie will spark more interest in the book and the momentum from that will put our great nation back on track where each person is raised with the primary understanding that you are responsible for your own destiny.
After what Hollyweird did to the end of "Enemy Mine" (a great story they utterly destroyed), and after what Hollyweird did to Heinlein's novel when they created "Starshit Troupers", I am always highly suspicious of anything Hollywood makes based on novels, particularly conservative novels. (The SciFi Channel likewise utterly destroyed "The Cold Equations"... I could go on and on with examples).
It's pretty funny that Conservatives love the book and movie since the book was written by an avowed atheist (Ayn Rand). I'll bet most Republicans are in the dark about this fact. And the Tea Party ignorance continues!
@johnnyk67 - Most Republicans are well aware of the fact. Intolerant Democrats can't figure out how Republicans can be tolerant of someone else's religious beliefs and still acknowledge when that person is right. Democrats cannot tolerate someone of a different religious or philosophical view than their own: they don't see people as individuals, only as parts of various groups. So if you miss a piece of their stereotype, you are rejected entirely.
@Hiraghm thanks hiraghm for making my point. It really does not matter religious or non religious views of the messanger. Today in the US we have so much big government taking our freedoms away, any message that tells what is going on is good. I am conservative, christian and could CARE LESS!!!! that Ayn Rand did not believe in God.....her message was right on point and she would never ever want anyone telling any of us how to live. Score one for the Tea Party johnnyk67!!!!
@notbestfriends and ubsjasongw- 'Classical Liberal' IS akin to 'Conservative'. The term, 'Liberal' had been co-opted, bastardized by the statist. The Conservative position (and the Classical Liberal position) are one in the same: Rugged Individualism, Liberty, and Freedom. Which also by the way, embraces Capitalism.
The labels have changed but the principles remain the same.
The left has a knee jerk reaction at the very mention of Ayn Rands name. They are afraid of her philosophy because it effectively exposes their ideas as ludicrous.
@notbestfriends Which is incredibly humorous, given that Rand's ideas are descended from Classical Liberalism, and share nothing in common with Classic Conservatism :)
"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others" — Ayn Rand
@masvx Who's Bowden?? It's Grant Bowler, a veteran Aussie actor from Sydney Australia, who can be seen jogging every day on the beach trail through Bondi :)
FINALLY.....we get faces for the characters. Ive read the book 3 times and always wondered what the characters looked like. Now that there is a movie, I can read the book again and actually see the characters faces, expressions, the looks in their eyes, the inflections of their voices as they speak. Wonderful. Hope the rest of the book makes it into follow-up films. The clips Ive seen so far are great.
I agree that Bowler's Rearden doesn't denote "confidence" in his body language, however, that's OK--Rearden *isn't* a fully confident character. He's like anyone--confident in his element, but sort of unsure and confused while out of it, and like many people he's unclear how to handle it. He's a good man, so he's not out to intentionally be a douche, but at the same time he's not looking to be walked over. Those little "tug of war" contradictions are hallmarks of a complex character.
Exactly right! My reaction precisely when I read the book decades ago. That's why Rearden is a far better character than Galt.
Galt was merely a "Mary Sue," a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader.
This undermines Atlas Shrugged as a literary work, but not Rand's ethical and political premises, which remain dead on.
@thechinadesk Couldn't agree more. I think Galt is probably the biggest flaw in exemplified Objectivism, and is a source of anguish for those who can't recognize him symbolically. Galt , a "Perfect" character with no flaws, makes a poor yardstick against which to measure oneself, because "perfection" doesn't exist--everybody makes mistakes, bad choices, and occasionally fumbles through uncertainty. What's heroic is that even when we're lost in the dark, we keep LOOKING for the light.
Rand's political philosophy is pretty much logically unassailable.
But Rand's understanding of aesthetics, especially on how to write a fictional character, was definitely flawed.
She mistakenly concluded that her main protagonist Galt had to be flawless. The result, ironically, was that her secondary protagonist Rearden inadvertently became the main protagonist. Galt wound up as an abstract concept rather than a flesh and blood character.
Either you are a Moocher, a Looter, or a Producer. Once the Looters and Moochers out number the Producers, like too many tics on a dog, both the host and the parasites will die. Other tics will then blame the dog for being selfish.
The Atheist Rand was more of a prophet than any religious figure.
Grant Bowler's interview is double speak. His body language does not denote a self-assured character.
And then we move to Rand's, "perfect man." There is no such thing as the perfect man. All human's are flawed, and what creates the separation is those who are honest enough to own both their assets and liabilities. Rand could not and did not.
@NefariousBanana Even if it was the best movie ever, it would still be portrayed as a "suckfest" to make libertarians look bad. It's your lot in life, you are not swimming with the current, but against it, of course you are going to be marginalised and ridiculed by your fellow milk cows.
@eimb1999 Sakes, I was raised in a Liberal household. I voted, much to my chagrin, Clinton, Gore and Kerry. I believed the hype. Nay, good sir, I have learned my lesson. Liberals are just as full of crap as Conservatives. Funny thing, I find myself more agreeable with Conservatives than Liberals as the years go by. Not that I think there's a great difference. But THEY do.
I wasn't sure if I was going to see this movie...but after listening to the Director talk...my hubby and I are going to see this. Don't know that the end product will look like...but looks like this production team gets it. And kudos to them for making it happen without "A" list names or a distribution deal.
@sundryreasons Everyone seems to pick their own pronunciation; everything from ann to ine to ion. Has little to do with their familiarity with her work.
@sundryreasons However one chooses pronounce Ayn is Fine. The Director stated he believes the book is about the best in all of us. That's a whole lot more insight than i have come to expect from just about anyone.
@sundryreasons The director used to be a TV actor not so long ago... Interesting. I sure hope he is a better director than he was an actor :) and he wasn't a bad actor at all.
I was a little nervous when I found out recently that there was going to be an Atlas Shrugged Movie. Rand had such a unique and complex philosophy that it is very easy for people to distort her philosophy. However, listening to Paul Johannson and Grant Bowler speak about the characters and their general take on the philosophy makes me feel more comfortable.
I've been scared to death since it was announced this movie was being made that it would be a total bastardization of what Rand was trying to say, but after hearing the director talk about individual responsibility and ownership I'm starting to have hope.
@sonrouge God let's hope so. I go back and forth on Rand's theories and whether or not I believe they could work in the real world, but I know one thing for sure, if there was ever a time that her ideas should be considered, it's now. If it's true to Rand's ideals it'll be interesting the see how the left handles it... not well I suppose, and with the usual open Fascism, hatred and threats.
@joesmoe71 This movie will be a big "Fuck you" along with the middle finger to the looters, not to metion a lot harder to ignore than her books and articles, so expect a lot of fuss to be raised. Hell, one could even consider it the equivelant of John Galt's speech in the book.
@sonrouge Yeah if done correctly it could be the most influential and thus controversial movie ever made, and given how "tolerant and open minded" much of the political and Hollywood left is, I suspect it will provoke damn near as much hatred as that involved in Hitler's public book burnings. That's ok though, let them keep showing their true colors.
If there's one thing I truly admired about Ayn Rand was her total rejection of the idea that self hatred and acceptance of unearned guilt is somehow a virtue, that's something that needs to be shouted from every mountain top.
The best way to describe Rand, a sort of Barbara Cartland on steroids. It's odd how conservatives have adopted this silly book as their "Mien Kampf" Rand's own neurotic personality bleeds though the overwrought self importance of the characters. The entertaining part of the story is the preposterous nature of the plot. A hidden Shangri La of private industry providing everything the other private industrialist's will need, mostly automobiles and cigarettes, a recurring theme in the book.
@IFlick I find it interesting that you should focus on the "preposterous" plot of Atlas Shrugged. I agree it is bizarre, but you should ask yourself why it seems so strange. Rand sets up a "What if" scenario. She points out (accurately) that throughout history scientists, inventors, artists and entrepreneurs have been forced to sacrifice their talents for the "common good". Rand simply asks, "What if these people got fed up and went on 'strike'?"
"odd how conservatives have adopted this book as their 'Mein Kampf'??"
WTF does that mean? Why reference the autobiography of one of the world's worst big-government socialist dictators, and try to make a connection to conservatives or to this book? How bizarre. Constitutionally limited government and fiscal responsibility are polar opposites of brutal socialists like Hitler. Union thugs and today's Progressive Looters are his philosophical bedmates.
@jwhat01 lol i think his liberal ass is just jelly cuz they dont have a beefy-ass book like Atlas Shrugged to allign with in their philosophical view. IFlick U JELLY BRO?
Both "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" seem to shake up readers who don't read many books. They are the typical soupy, overwrought romance novel of the period with an ugly little right wing political message wrapped inside. It's quite entertaining but nothing to take to heart. The antidote for that gushy feeling you're having, read more books.
@IFlick In other words, your "antidote" to a book that challenges 1,000+ years of collectivist dogma is to suggest that people immerse themselves in a pool of mainstream drivel that preaches guilt, self-sacrifice and self-loathing. You want people to "read more books" until they come around to your point of view, that is to say, until their minds are riddled with the internal contradictions and lies of collectivism?
See, the problem is with a movie of this book is it has to have a similar impact. The reaction to Rand and AS is never bland. You either love her or hate her, and the movie has to be the same: if people are saying afterwards, "Hey, did you see AS? It's quite good" then it's a monumental failure. It needs a director who really gets it.
Here's an oddity: Have you ever seen a serious movie about the Founding Fathers? Apart from the joke musical 1976 I never have. Nor heard of one. Wonder why.
@madmax8903 BTW There was the John Adams mini-series on HBO staring Paul Giamatti and the Benedict Arnold mini-series on A&E (With Kelsy Gramer as Gen George Washington). As well as various treatments from the history channel. Considering the last time Hollywood took a stab at it we got the Patriot (which I like but admittedly it is Braveheart without the funny fake Scotch accents) I'm okay with leaving that patch of history in the hands of serious caretakers/
Please tell me this cast isn't the final one. This could be the best Miniseries ever. But you need Charlize Theron and Hugh Laurie. Bowler has absolutely no facial strength and is totally wrong for the part.
FUCK, I knew I shouldn't have watched this. No Galt's face? Good thing or not, I should have found that out watching the film. I'm done. No more teasers, no upcoming trailers, and definitely no reading peoples opinions on any of it. However, I am happy to hear that the director understands what AS is truly about. Can't wait to see it.
@jsteiger2228 I don't know on what premise you make your statement or what qualifications you have, but you are wrong. Most God-fearing Christians (except those who take the new testament REALLY seriously...) resonate well with Objectivism. As for observant Jews, such as myself (not the liberal phonies), not only does Jewish law resonate with 90% of Rand's philosophy, but many of her principles are brought down in Jewish philosophy and can be derived from various places in our scripture.
@jsteiger2228 On a side note, Rand herself was Jewish (though non-observant). Most people are unaware that her pseudonum, Ayn, is the 16th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which is in fact the initial of her Hebrew name, Alisa (which means joyful...quite fitting an important thread of her philosophy).
While many Jews are ashamed with Socialist bretheren such as Karl Marx, we feel better by the fact that we also produced Alisa Rosenbaum, a.k.a. Ayn Rand!
@OneMondBand Well, you're correct about the Old Testament not really conflicting with anything in Atlas Shrugged. What I am talking about are the words of Christ (and therefore the thinking of Christians). Things like, "the meek shall inherit the earth" in Matthew chap 5, and the bit about rich men, camels and needles in Matthew 19:24 and then when Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves in Mark 12:31. I could go on....?
@jsteiger2228 Of course you're right, but the new testament is not part of the original Bible, and is as irrelevant as any other socialist book (sorry to offend Christians out there, I really love you guys! Really!)...The new testament was written by a power-hungry socialist who was able to brainwash billions of people over the ages.
BTW, "love your fellow man as yourself" is from the old testament. It implies that you can only love your friend if you love yourself; an idea resonant in Atlas....
@OneMondBand Yes - I was not clear - Christ listed the "love thy neighbor" law as the second most important of the already existing Jewish laws. I did not mean to say that Christ originated the statement.
I would differ on the interpretation you have put forth though. From a traditional Christian perspective, the statement is understood to command unconditional love for all of mankind, which differs from Rand's notion of loving only those deserving...
@OneMondBand Per Objectivist thinking, reason is the only correct basis for intellectual and moral judgments. Rand is known to have rejected faith, divine revelation, and subjective feeling as false theories of knowledge. Conscious and individual life form the standard of all values, and "rational selfishness" is a living being's appropriate motive. If these things don't make a tele-vangalist's blood boil, I don't know.....
@jsteiger2228 Yes, indeed, I see where you're coming from. The concept of "religion" (Judaism is a nationality, not a religion. Even ask Hitler!) confuses people to say that there is no absolute truth and every person has his own truth. Sounds like something straight out of Jim Taggart's mouth, eh?
However, Jewish philosophy eschews the concept blind faith. Our belief in G-d stems from our knowledge of His existence. It is not a "feeling" - it is logic.
@OneMondBand Interesting. Thank you for the perspective. Blind faith is a theme which is heard over and over if you hang around devout Christians. It is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
@jsteiger2228 Yes, blind faith is extremely dangerous...put together scheming, evil power-hungry rulers in the presence of naive, gullible citizens and you can have the worst destruction, which the rulers will blame on the citizens.
@jsteiger2228 Again, I am not considering a televangelist's perspective, nor a christian or muslim perspective. I am talking from the simple perspective that there is a single, omnipotent creator who desires the world to hold by strong, logical morals, because only those morals, as seen in Atlas, make the world go round. Not the fluff in the new testament, nor the hatred in the Qur'an. Ironically, while Rand has rejected "faith", most of her principles have some origin in the Jewish scriptures.
@jsteiger2228 Again, the christian interpretation of "love your friend as yourself" is irrelevant, and I'm not addressing it from that perspective. According to Jewish scriptures, you can only love your fellow man if you have a love for yourself. The looters in AS, who worship destruction and jealousy of successful people, are incapable of true love and concern for fellow humans. Only the strikers, who value themselves and their work, are capable of loving and concern towards the deserving.
@OneMondBand Yeah - I'm not really sure how we got on the subject of Judaism, as that was not my original point, and Jews make up only 2.4% of the US population (even less who are practicing) so the viewpoint is not really what I was focusing on.
@jsteiger2228 My favorite objectivist is back! Yeah, Jews are 2% of the US population and around 0.1% of world population. I guess what I'm saying is that you can be a believer in G-d and still be an Objectivist, i.e you don't have to be an atheist. Some see Christianity as having a monopoly on G-d, and have thus tainted theism with their collectivist dogma. Since Jews believe in G-d alone, I was just using the Jewish model even though we're a tiny minority.
@OneMondBand My comment with respect to televangelists was meant to be a shout out to the vocal and powerful Bible-banging breed of Christian we have in the US. I think it is fair to say that they tend to set the moral tone of the conservatives for the most part. What I find ridiculous is that the conservative media in this country has utterly convinced these people that they speak for religiously minded people.
@jsteiger2228 Your right in a way...but considering that the "Bible-banging breed of Christians" are also the capitalist and industrialist breed, I don't think most Christians actually practice what they preach in terms of strictly following the new testament, in fact most of them don't know or care about the NT principles. They just go to church and practice normal human morality for the most part. In reality, 99% of conservative Christians would be open to most of Rand's principles.
@OneMondBand My point exactly - well, sort of. You are assuming the conservative Christians would be open to Rand's view, I would expect that if they truly understood the concepts and how they compared with Christ's teachings, either they would reject it, or their head would explode or something.
@jsteiger2228 Yeah, agreed. I think if they were fully logic-minded people, they would reject the NT's teachings rather than true reason. Otherwise, those people who are absolutely seeped with the collectivist aspect of Christian doctrine would turn into mentally-unstable zombies; kind of like what James Taggart became at the end of Atlas Shrugged. Hey, thanks for the discussion!
@rcbeng Because they think they can build themselves up by tearing down everyone and everything else around them, ala Michael Moore, it's that plain and simple.
The only bad casting call in the movie I can think of is Ellis Wyatt. He's being played by Graham Beckel and he's sixty. Wyatt is younger than Dagny, probably late twenties early thirties at the most, but I'll withhold judgment until I see him. The scene I want to see is when Ellis comes in and tells Dagny that if his company falls he's taking Taggart transcontinental with him. He's vengeful as hell in the book.
I want to add that her work meant a lot to me at a certain phase in my life, and I'll always be grateful to her for that. I didn't want to trash her, but I had limited space.
One more thing: Nathaniel Branden is a great guy, regardless of what she said. She turned on him because he broke her teenage illusions of being the femme fatale. He banged someone else, haha.
Rand had a rather flawed understanding of what men are attracted to. It always seemed her romances were a 12 year old girl's fantasies: this one woman, that all the best men want, and if they can't have her they live in celibacy. It's a minor theme in both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. But her stuff about individuality (though she never gave a certain German mustachioed philosopher the shout-out she should have) is pretty great writing.
@buzzclick500 which makes you a pathetic helpless puppet of the eeevvviiilll Jooos, since you people cannot seem to stop complaining about how much better the eeevvviiilll Joooos are than you
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Ayn Rand is a GREAT CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHER !!!
Sure ATLAS SHRUGGED was a BORING movie and the acting was LAME .... BUT the message it carried is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT !!!
That message is : that this world has only a FEW VERY TALENTED PEOPLE (the elites) ... and we must exempt them from taxes.... otherwise: if they leave us ... our economy will grind to a halt !!!!
Make the FLAT-TAX a reality now !!!!
MrSuperneocon 4 days ago
Rand was restating the obvious. Think for yourself. A=A. You're responsible for your own actions. What made her novels so bad was the extremity. "Yeah, we should be so individualistic as to ditch society and live by ourselves in Colorado."
No self-respecting human would abandon humanity like that. It's just not in the cards.
redshark618 3 months ago
"My Humble Opinion" :(
ChasingCharles 4 months ago
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what a movie..watched 5 times in webmovietube
GailCamino 9 months ago
i think maby aynn might have wrote the book while travleing out west. on i-84 in utah, there is a sign by the tracks that says; taggert and wyoming and colorado have oil fields and large refineries. it was really cool for me to see this and many other things out there that suggested this theory
19or50 9 months ago
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Stupid book ----> Stupid movie.
Makes sense. What else would you expect from wingnuts?
TheLeftyGrove 9 months ago
Read the book.
wellingtonian 10 months ago
this movie looks horrible. As a movie fan, not a ayn rand supporter
ASDMarauder007 10 months ago
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Who is William Hickman?
shilltheshillXXX 10 months ago
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It amazes me how these mindless free market dupes continuously yank from Ayn Rand's dusty utters. This morally bankrupt hypocrite secretly applied for social security and used medicare to pay for her cancer treatments.
logtype47 10 months ago
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Too bad nobody else in this world thought Atlas Shrugged was good.
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NewsPoliticsInfo 10 months ago
The movie has no passion, no humor, and the weave is lifeless. Dagney, Rearden, and Francisco are there but all alone until the last 60 seconds when "Atlas Shrugged" finally arrives.
Oh the struggle to get PART of a film made.! 53 YEARS IN THE MAKING! .........Um, so what.
As if it being on screen is important at all. It's not. It's important that it be brilliant.
It's not.
Like he says here, I wish I "could have jumped in and said, 'You know what, STOP'."
pebblelake1 10 months ago
@pebblelake1 I can't wait to see your brilliant project that surpasses atlas shrugged. Let me know when it comes out!
wyattbutler87 10 months ago
cont'd...He's using the oldest tactic in the book, basically saying "This is going to be fair and balanced" before he portrays the political ideals HE doesn't like with vitriolic, hate-spewing characters while the champions of his political viewpoint are angels and rogues of rationalization.
Gorshkin111 10 months ago
I'm calling bullshit from the very beginning of this video--the guy says you can't have a guy say "This is what I stand for" and have a good movie, and that you should present audiences with many sides and see which ones the audience picks. BULLSHIIIIIIIT!!!!! The characters in this story are MEANT to uplift a SINGLE agenda: Ayn Rand's agenda. I'm not saying she's entirely wrong, but the book WAS MEANT to do exactly what he says he's not doing, and I suspect his film will be the same. He's...
Gorshkin111 10 months ago
@Gorshkin111 I think you misunderstood what the director was saying. He is saying that the character has choices and his personality is defined by his choices, rather than just having the character stand up and explain it in words.
MrsSarb 10 months ago
the irony with the critics of Atlas and Rand's philosophy is that, in some respects, many probably live their lives exactly like Ayn had believed in: Responsibility, ownership, integrity, hard work.
Buergs323 10 months ago
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this movie seems to be for newfags who think capitalism actually works for the little guy.
amitbarfs 10 months ago
@amitbarfs We do not have a capitalist system--we have a mix of cap and socialism.
ExploringReal 10 months ago
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socialism for the rich maybe. we do a good job at bailing out wall street instead of baltimore street! :(
amitbarfs 10 months ago
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I'm driving an hour just to see it today!!!
DJAnthonyillWill 10 months ago 2
I live in the outer limits of the country where there's no theater playing the movie, and I can't see the premier. So if you were planning on watching it, bring one extra friend. :-)
YesWeCantaloupe 10 months ago
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, abundantly in evidence here, is that her critics must distort everything that she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual's rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility not self-indulgence, and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others' ends. How many critics would dare to honestly state these ideas, & say "...and that's what I reject?"
notbestfriends 10 months ago 4
@notbestfriends Spectacular comment
nmuchess 10 months ago
@notbestfriends Bulls eye. Exactly right.
SuperDachshund 6 months ago
Like anyone in politics, MSM, banking, and hierarchyof the military, isn't a complete complicit P.O.S.
The people are so f*cking stupid they can't even see it when the US goes to war with Libya without congress or the constitution, and no one, especially in MSM, really addresses it.
The complete opposite of "one love" is what is going to bring about real change; and then it's still a gamble.
WATCH: CORPORATION NATION *full* on YT. The US is a corp. Why the "global economy" company store? DURRR
IronRangeSurvival 10 months ago
Botching the name aside at least he has some energy and passion behind his voice.
travisbickkle 11 months ago
wow its him, great casting, how i envisioned him....
darkfox77 11 months ago
I am wondering if three two-hour parts will be adequate to cover this great novel--the greatest novel of all time.
Remember the book, Roots, by Alex Haley?
Hollywood produced an entire TV series about it. I recall it was 30 hours or more.
Will six hours be enough to cover Atlas Shrugged?
ronpaulvoter 11 months ago
@ronpaulvoter My answer is: doubtful. But hopefully the producers will prove me wrong. I look forward to midnight on April 15th.
manmythlegend12 11 months ago
"...he doesn't owe you shit...". YES YES YES! This made me leap to my feet and pump my fist in the air. My hope is this movie will spark more interest in the book and the momentum from that will put our great nation back on track where each person is raised with the primary understanding that you are responsible for your own destiny.
curtdunne 11 months ago 5
"...he doesn't owe you shit...". YES YES YES! This made me leap to my feet and pump my fist in the air. My hope is this movie will spark more interest in the book and the momentum from that will put our great nation back on track where each person is raised with the primary understanding that you are responsible for your own destiny.
curtdunne 11 months ago
After what Hollyweird did to the end of "Enemy Mine" (a great story they utterly destroyed), and after what Hollyweird did to Heinlein's novel when they created "Starshit Troupers", I am always highly suspicious of anything Hollywood makes based on novels, particularly conservative novels. (The SciFi Channel likewise utterly destroyed "The Cold Equations"... I could go on and on with examples).
But, I have tentative hope for "Atlas Shrugged".
Hiraghm 11 months ago
It's pretty funny that Conservatives love the book and movie since the book was written by an avowed atheist (Ayn Rand). I'll bet most Republicans are in the dark about this fact. And the Tea Party ignorance continues!
johnnyk67 11 months ago
@johnnyk67 - Most Republicans are well aware of the fact. Intolerant Democrats can't figure out how Republicans can be tolerant of someone else's religious beliefs and still acknowledge when that person is right. Democrats cannot tolerate someone of a different religious or philosophical view than their own: they don't see people as individuals, only as parts of various groups. So if you miss a piece of their stereotype, you are rejected entirely.
Hiraghm 11 months ago
@Hiraghm thanks hiraghm for making my point. It really does not matter religious or non religious views of the messanger. Today in the US we have so much big government taking our freedoms away, any message that tells what is going on is good. I am conservative, christian and could CARE LESS!!!! that Ayn Rand did not believe in God.....her message was right on point and she would never ever want anyone telling any of us how to live. Score one for the Tea Party johnnyk67!!!!
vectra80 10 months ago 4
@maxreiser The movie script is 127 pages. Part 1 of the novel is 300 plus pages.
kovalinsky1 11 months ago
Gary Cooper is no longer available... Bowler will be fine as Rearden. Johansson gets it.
tuxguys 11 months ago
Someone sneak blonde hair dye into Paul Johansson's shampoo before they begin filming part 2.
sniffmysquid 11 months ago
@notbestfriends and ubsjasongw- 'Classical Liberal' IS akin to 'Conservative'. The term, 'Liberal' had been co-opted, bastardized by the statist. The Conservative position (and the Classical Liberal position) are one in the same: Rugged Individualism, Liberty, and Freedom. Which also by the way, embraces Capitalism.
The labels have changed but the principles remain the same.
ilovemusicsomuch 11 months ago
Big governments are not producers, they are" window breakers." The production of bloated governments, is loss of production and debt.
mustang607 11 months ago
127 pages is part 1, how are they gonna do the rest?!?
maxrieser 11 months ago
Taylor Schilling might become a schoolboy's dream woman.
Strong, great yet soft
PoliticalWeekly 11 months ago
I like the actor for Rearden.
SculptedThoughts 11 months ago
I want to see Ayn Rand "suck off" John Galt like she probably did her "Boy Lover".
Ayn Rand was a Sexual Pervert!
Rock!
minitrueful 11 months ago
@minitrueful. Awful. Women should never get horny, everyone knows that.
*Rolls eyes*
ubsjasongw 11 months ago
I cant believe this, that was exactly how i imagened hank readen. Dagny is much hotter than i expected :D
erdal0 1 year ago
The left has a knee jerk reaction at the very mention of Ayn Rands name. They are afraid of her philosophy because it effectively exposes their ideas as ludicrous.
notbestfriends 1 year ago
@notbestfriends Which is incredibly humorous, given that Rand's ideas are descended from Classical Liberalism, and share nothing in common with Classic Conservatism :)
ubsjasongw 11 months ago
what a movie..watched 5 times in webmovietube
dodiemuehleisen50 1 year ago
@dodiemuehleisen50 I cannot find the movie "Atlas Shrugged" in WEBMOVIETUBE. Did you watch the entire movie 5 times at WEBMOVIETUBE??
ebward11 1 year ago
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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others" — Ayn Rand
notbestfriends 1 year ago
Although Bowden seems to be a good actor I think he was miscast. Wasn't Reardon considerably older than Dagny, like 20 years?
masvx 1 year ago
@masvx Who's Bowden?? It's Grant Bowler, a veteran Aussie actor from Sydney Australia, who can be seen jogging every day on the beach trail through Bondi :)
grumpone 1 year ago
@grumpone Thx for the spelling. I should've double checked that. I still think he's too young for Hank Rearden.
masvx 11 months ago
what a movie..pls watch this in webmovietube
amielanquist41 1 year ago
@amielanquist41 I CANNOT FIND THIS MOVIE IN WEBMOVIETUBE. DID YOU WATCH THE ENTIRE MOVIE IN WEBMOVIETUBE?
ebward11 1 year ago
Individuality
hooverdog1957 1 year ago
FINALLY.....we get faces for the characters. Ive read the book 3 times and always wondered what the characters looked like. Now that there is a movie, I can read the book again and actually see the characters faces, expressions, the looks in their eyes, the inflections of their voices as they speak. Wonderful. Hope the rest of the book makes it into follow-up films. The clips Ive seen so far are great.
mustang4415 1 year ago
I agree that Bowler's Rearden doesn't denote "confidence" in his body language, however, that's OK--Rearden *isn't* a fully confident character. He's like anyone--confident in his element, but sort of unsure and confused while out of it, and like many people he's unclear how to handle it. He's a good man, so he's not out to intentionally be a douche, but at the same time he's not looking to be walked over. Those little "tug of war" contradictions are hallmarks of a complex character.
ubsjasongw 1 year ago
@ubsjasongw
Exactly right! My reaction precisely when I read the book decades ago. That's why Rearden is a far better character than Galt.
Galt was merely a "Mary Sue," a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader.
This undermines Atlas Shrugged as a literary work, but not Rand's ethical and political premises, which remain dead on.
thechinadesk 11 months ago
@thechinadesk Couldn't agree more. I think Galt is probably the biggest flaw in exemplified Objectivism, and is a source of anguish for those who can't recognize him symbolically. Galt , a "Perfect" character with no flaws, makes a poor yardstick against which to measure oneself, because "perfection" doesn't exist--everybody makes mistakes, bad choices, and occasionally fumbles through uncertainty. What's heroic is that even when we're lost in the dark, we keep LOOKING for the light.
ubsjasongw 11 months ago
@ubsjasongw
Rand's political philosophy is pretty much logically unassailable.
But Rand's understanding of aesthetics, especially on how to write a fictional character, was definitely flawed.
She mistakenly concluded that her main protagonist Galt had to be flawless. The result, ironically, was that her secondary protagonist Rearden inadvertently became the main protagonist. Galt wound up as an abstract concept rather than a flesh and blood character.
thechinadesk 11 months ago
ranard is the perfect man.
0Adamska 1 year ago
I agree that the heroine's hair color is not relevant. However, I wanted the facts straight.
KateGladstone 1 year ago
Either you are a Moocher, a Looter, or a Producer. Once the Looters and Moochers out number the Producers, like too many tics on a dog, both the host and the parasites will die. Other tics will then blame the dog for being selfish.
The Atheist Rand was more of a prophet than any religious figure.
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Only the dog dies. The tics simply move to another dog to feed off.
grumpone 1 year ago
@grumpone until of course they run out of dogs to feed off of.
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lektromag 1 year ago
Grant Bowler's interview is double speak. His body language does not denote a self-assured character.
And then we move to Rand's, "perfect man." There is no such thing as the perfect man. All human's are flawed, and what creates the separation is those who are honest enough to own both their assets and liabilities. Rand could not and did not.
Isabella8466 1 year ago
I have a slight feeling that this movie will suck ass, and people will use it to make libertarians look bad.
NefariousBanana 1 year ago
@NefariousBanana Even if it was the best movie ever, it would still be portrayed as a "suckfest" to make libertarians look bad. It's your lot in life, you are not swimming with the current, but against it, of course you are going to be marginalised and ridiculed by your fellow milk cows.
grumpone 1 year ago
I'm gonna masturbate so hard to this movie when it comes out.
MAN, I love money and power.
bobbygnosis 1 year ago
@bobbygnosis : Yeah, like you're not a liberal plant.
eimb1999 1 year ago
@eimb1999 Sakes, I was raised in a Liberal household. I voted, much to my chagrin, Clinton, Gore and Kerry. I believed the hype. Nay, good sir, I have learned my lesson. Liberals are just as full of crap as Conservatives. Funny thing, I find myself more agreeable with Conservatives than Liberals as the years go by. Not that I think there's a great difference. But THEY do.
bobbygnosis 1 year ago
I wasn't sure if I was going to see this movie...but after listening to the Director talk...my hubby and I are going to see this. Don't know that the end product will look like...but looks like this production team gets it. And kudos to them for making it happen without "A" list names or a distribution deal.
thebamf100 1 year ago
This instructor is great -- he is doing the right thing!
Jazzper79 1 year ago
so this whole video is just a big disclaimer trying to mitigate peoples dislike of the movie... have some confidence at least.
grantengrav 1 year ago
I love this video , oh and I have something to ask you can I send you a message i want to c this movie in webmovietube
glenniesamoyoa26 1 year ago
At 3:10 the director calls her "Ann Rand". Hardly an auspicious sign.
sundryreasons 1 year ago 13
@sundryreasons I caught that, too. If he can't pronounce her name, he probably isn't very detail oriented.
paxpaul 1 year ago
@sundryreasons Everyone seems to pick their own pronunciation; everything from ann to ine to ion. Has little to do with their familiarity with her work.
beachbobc 1 year ago
@sundryreasons However one chooses pronounce Ayn is Fine. The Director stated he believes the book is about the best in all of us. That's a whole lot more insight than i have come to expect from just about anyone.
mikemachlin 1 year ago 3
@sundryreasons FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!! maybe another 53 years =(
chachieb 1 year ago
@sundryreasons You got that right!!!
DjGrantSmith11 1 year ago
@sundryreasons The director used to be a TV actor not so long ago... Interesting. I sure hope he is a better director than he was an actor :) and he wasn't a bad actor at all.
grumpone 1 year ago
I was a little nervous when I found out recently that there was going to be an Atlas Shrugged Movie. Rand had such a unique and complex philosophy that it is very easy for people to distort her philosophy. However, listening to Paul Johannson and Grant Bowler speak about the characters and their general take on the philosophy makes me feel more comfortable.
beq451991 1 year ago
Love the book. I hope the whole story gets shown.
Deckard439984r 1 year ago
Next Movie- Anthem stariing: WE
AnthemEgo 1 year ago
Yeah.... I'm pretty sure this is gonna suck..
PhilSNight 1 year ago
I've been scared to death since it was announced this movie was being made that it would be a total bastardization of what Rand was trying to say, but after hearing the director talk about individual responsibility and ownership I'm starting to have hope.
joesmoe71 1 year ago
@joesmoe71 I've heard good things about it from the Ayn Rand Institute and the Atlas Society, so I think it'll be good.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge God let's hope so. I go back and forth on Rand's theories and whether or not I believe they could work in the real world, but I know one thing for sure, if there was ever a time that her ideas should be considered, it's now. If it's true to Rand's ideals it'll be interesting the see how the left handles it... not well I suppose, and with the usual open Fascism, hatred and threats.
joesmoe71 1 year ago
@joesmoe71 This movie will be a big "Fuck you" along with the middle finger to the looters, not to metion a lot harder to ignore than her books and articles, so expect a lot of fuss to be raised. Hell, one could even consider it the equivelant of John Galt's speech in the book.
sonrouge 1 year ago
@sonrouge Yeah if done correctly it could be the most influential and thus controversial movie ever made, and given how "tolerant and open minded" much of the political and Hollywood left is, I suspect it will provoke damn near as much hatred as that involved in Hitler's public book burnings. That's ok though, let them keep showing their true colors.
joesmoe71 1 year ago
If there's one thing I truly admired about Ayn Rand was her total rejection of the idea that self hatred and acceptance of unearned guilt is somehow a virtue, that's something that needs to be shouted from every mountain top.
joesmoe71 1 year ago
One can control what one does, it's the 6.7 bn other people on the planet that you have to watch out for
lakid87 1 year ago
The set is lovely.
bjeany 1 year ago
Jodie Foster would have made a badass Dagny. At least how I imagined her.
mowriter 1 year ago
The best way to describe Rand, a sort of Barbara Cartland on steroids. It's odd how conservatives have adopted this silly book as their "Mien Kampf" Rand's own neurotic personality bleeds though the overwrought self importance of the characters. The entertaining part of the story is the preposterous nature of the plot. A hidden Shangri La of private industry providing everything the other private industrialist's will need, mostly automobiles and cigarettes, a recurring theme in the book.
IFlick 1 year ago
@IFlick I find it interesting that you should focus on the "preposterous" plot of Atlas Shrugged. I agree it is bizarre, but you should ask yourself why it seems so strange. Rand sets up a "What if" scenario. She points out (accurately) that throughout history scientists, inventors, artists and entrepreneurs have been forced to sacrifice their talents for the "common good". Rand simply asks, "What if these people got fed up and went on 'strike'?"
gergenheimer 1 year ago
@IFlick
"odd how conservatives have adopted this book as their 'Mein Kampf'??"
WTF does that mean? Why reference the autobiography of one of the world's worst big-government socialist dictators, and try to make a connection to conservatives or to this book? How bizarre. Constitutionally limited government and fiscal responsibility are polar opposites of brutal socialists like Hitler. Union thugs and today's Progressive Looters are his philosophical bedmates.
jwhat01 1 year ago 4
@jwhat01 lol i think his liberal ass is just jelly cuz they dont have a beefy-ass book like Atlas Shrugged to allign with in their philosophical view. IFlick U JELLY BRO?
FrontporchMan 1 year ago
Both "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead" seem to shake up readers who don't read many books. They are the typical soupy, overwrought romance novel of the period with an ugly little right wing political message wrapped inside. It's quite entertaining but nothing to take to heart. The antidote for that gushy feeling you're having, read more books.
IFlick 1 year ago
@IFlick In other words, your "antidote" to a book that challenges 1,000+ years of collectivist dogma is to suggest that people immerse themselves in a pool of mainstream drivel that preaches guilt, self-sacrifice and self-loathing. You want people to "read more books" until they come around to your point of view, that is to say, until their minds are riddled with the internal contradictions and lies of collectivism?
gergenheimer 1 year ago
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Cannot wait to see it!
IHeartDenver 1 year ago
I read that the main characters of Atlas Shrugged are code names for individuals or companies. The code is as follows:
John Galt --- Philippe Rothschild
Dagny Taggart --- Ayn Rand
Dagny's brother --- The combined Railroad System
Ellis Wyatt --- David Rockefeller
Hank Rearden --- U.S. Steel, Bethlehem Steel
Francisco D'Anconia --- Combined Copper Mines
Galt, D'Anconia, and the Pirate --Rothschild Tribunal
lionswatch 1 year ago
Looking forward to Atlas Shrugged even more after hearing the passion the film makers have for individual responsibility.
aprilbaby64 1 year ago
If they could hurry this fucking thing up before its due for me to read next week that would be great!
dk212 1 year ago
Did he just admit that Atlas shrugged was badly writen in the itro?
angrydead 1 year ago
I'm reading the book for a book study in school right now. I did "We the Living" for my last one. I had no idea this was made into a movie though.
Anyone else read this book for a grade nine book study? Let me tell you, my teacher was confused.
MrQuoteMan 1 year ago
Ugh, so boring.... this is not looking good for the movie.
rfranklinaz 1 year ago
See, the problem is with a movie of this book is it has to have a similar impact. The reaction to Rand and AS is never bland. You either love her or hate her, and the movie has to be the same: if people are saying afterwards, "Hey, did you see AS? It's quite good" then it's a monumental failure. It needs a director who really gets it.
Here's an oddity: Have you ever seen a serious movie about the Founding Fathers? Apart from the joke musical 1976 I never have. Nor heard of one. Wonder why.
madmax8903 1 year ago
@madmax8903 BTW There was the John Adams mini-series on HBO staring Paul Giamatti and the Benedict Arnold mini-series on A&E (With Kelsy Gramer as Gen George Washington). As well as various treatments from the history channel. Considering the last time Hollywood took a stab at it we got the Patriot (which I like but admittedly it is Braveheart without the funny fake Scotch accents) I'm okay with leaving that patch of history in the hands of serious caretakers/
specialkalpha 1 year ago
They will ruin this.
lashkaretoiba 1 year ago
Please tell me this cast isn't the final one. This could be the best Miniseries ever. But you need Charlize Theron and Hugh Laurie. Bowler has absolutely no facial strength and is totally wrong for the part.
sevelatula 1 year ago
@sevelatula Charlize Theron is too pretty! Not really masculine enough, in my opinion...
Clynnspired 1 year ago
FUCK, I knew I shouldn't have watched this. No Galt's face? Good thing or not, I should have found that out watching the film. I'm done. No more teasers, no upcoming trailers, and definitely no reading peoples opinions on any of it. However, I am happy to hear that the director understands what AS is truly about. Can't wait to see it.
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look at the liberals already attacking this movie. I do not understand why liberals hate America so much
rcbeng 1 year ago
look mat the liberals already attacking this movie. I do not understand why liberals hate America so much
rcbeng 1 year ago
@rcbeng If the average church-going conservative truly understood the book, they would be attacking the movie more vigorously than the liberals....
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 I don't know on what premise you make your statement or what qualifications you have, but you are wrong. Most God-fearing Christians (except those who take the new testament REALLY seriously...) resonate well with Objectivism. As for observant Jews, such as myself (not the liberal phonies), not only does Jewish law resonate with 90% of Rand's philosophy, but many of her principles are brought down in Jewish philosophy and can be derived from various places in our scripture.
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 On a side note, Rand herself was Jewish (though non-observant). Most people are unaware that her pseudonum, Ayn, is the 16th letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which is in fact the initial of her Hebrew name, Alisa (which means joyful...quite fitting an important thread of her philosophy).
While many Jews are ashamed with Socialist bretheren such as Karl Marx, we feel better by the fact that we also produced Alisa Rosenbaum, a.k.a. Ayn Rand!
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@OneMondBand Well, you're correct about the Old Testament not really conflicting with anything in Atlas Shrugged. What I am talking about are the words of Christ (and therefore the thinking of Christians). Things like, "the meek shall inherit the earth" in Matthew chap 5, and the bit about rich men, camels and needles in Matthew 19:24 and then when Jesus told us to love our neighbors as ourselves in Mark 12:31. I could go on....?
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Of course you're right, but the new testament is not part of the original Bible, and is as irrelevant as any other socialist book (sorry to offend Christians out there, I really love you guys! Really!)...The new testament was written by a power-hungry socialist who was able to brainwash billions of people over the ages.
BTW, "love your fellow man as yourself" is from the old testament. It implies that you can only love your friend if you love yourself; an idea resonant in Atlas....
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@OneMondBand Yes - I was not clear - Christ listed the "love thy neighbor" law as the second most important of the already existing Jewish laws. I did not mean to say that Christ originated the statement.
I would differ on the interpretation you have put forth though. From a traditional Christian perspective, the statement is understood to command unconditional love for all of mankind, which differs from Rand's notion of loving only those deserving...
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@OneMondBand Per Objectivist thinking, reason is the only correct basis for intellectual and moral judgments. Rand is known to have rejected faith, divine revelation, and subjective feeling as false theories of knowledge. Conscious and individual life form the standard of all values, and "rational selfishness" is a living being's appropriate motive. If these things don't make a tele-vangalist's blood boil, I don't know.....
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Yes, indeed, I see where you're coming from. The concept of "religion" (Judaism is a nationality, not a religion. Even ask Hitler!) confuses people to say that there is no absolute truth and every person has his own truth. Sounds like something straight out of Jim Taggart's mouth, eh?
However, Jewish philosophy eschews the concept blind faith. Our belief in G-d stems from our knowledge of His existence. It is not a "feeling" - it is logic.
To Be Continued...
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@OneMondBand Interesting. Thank you for the perspective. Blind faith is a theme which is heard over and over if you hang around devout Christians. It is pretty dangerous if you ask me.
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Yes, blind faith is extremely dangerous...put together scheming, evil power-hungry rulers in the presence of naive, gullible citizens and you can have the worst destruction, which the rulers will blame on the citizens.
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Again, I am not considering a televangelist's perspective, nor a christian or muslim perspective. I am talking from the simple perspective that there is a single, omnipotent creator who desires the world to hold by strong, logical morals, because only those morals, as seen in Atlas, make the world go round. Not the fluff in the new testament, nor the hatred in the Qur'an. Ironically, while Rand has rejected "faith", most of her principles have some origin in the Jewish scriptures.
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jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Again, the christian interpretation of "love your friend as yourself" is irrelevant, and I'm not addressing it from that perspective. According to Jewish scriptures, you can only love your fellow man if you have a love for yourself. The looters in AS, who worship destruction and jealousy of successful people, are incapable of true love and concern for fellow humans. Only the strikers, who value themselves and their work, are capable of loving and concern towards the deserving.
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@OneMondBand Yeah - I'm not really sure how we got on the subject of Judaism, as that was not my original point, and Jews make up only 2.4% of the US population (even less who are practicing) so the viewpoint is not really what I was focusing on.
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 My favorite objectivist is back! Yeah, Jews are 2% of the US population and around 0.1% of world population. I guess what I'm saying is that you can be a believer in G-d and still be an Objectivist, i.e you don't have to be an atheist. Some see Christianity as having a monopoly on G-d, and have thus tainted theism with their collectivist dogma. Since Jews believe in G-d alone, I was just using the Jewish model even though we're a tiny minority.
OneMondBand 1 year ago
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@OneMondBand My comment with respect to televangelists was meant to be a shout out to the vocal and powerful Bible-banging breed of Christian we have in the US. I think it is fair to say that they tend to set the moral tone of the conservatives for the most part. What I find ridiculous is that the conservative media in this country has utterly convinced these people that they speak for religiously minded people.
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Your right in a way...but considering that the "Bible-banging breed of Christians" are also the capitalist and industrialist breed, I don't think most Christians actually practice what they preach in terms of strictly following the new testament, in fact most of them don't know or care about the NT principles. They just go to church and practice normal human morality for the most part. In reality, 99% of conservative Christians would be open to most of Rand's principles.
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@OneMondBand My point exactly - well, sort of. You are assuming the conservative Christians would be open to Rand's view, I would expect that if they truly understood the concepts and how they compared with Christ's teachings, either they would reject it, or their head would explode or something.
jsteiger2228 1 year ago
@jsteiger2228 Yeah, agreed. I think if they were fully logic-minded people, they would reject the NT's teachings rather than true reason. Otherwise, those people who are absolutely seeped with the collectivist aspect of Christian doctrine would turn into mentally-unstable zombies; kind of like what James Taggart became at the end of Atlas Shrugged. Hey, thanks for the discussion!
OneMondBand 1 year ago
@rcbeng Because they think they can build themselves up by tearing down everyone and everything else around them, ala Michael Moore, it's that plain and simple.
joesmoe71 1 year ago
I predict none of these 'actors' will work again except in a Ben Stein farce....
eaodak 1 year ago
Nooooo! Tilda Swinton should have been cast as Dagny!
oitotheworld23 1 year ago
The only bad casting call in the movie I can think of is Ellis Wyatt. He's being played by Graham Beckel and he's sixty. Wyatt is younger than Dagny, probably late twenties early thirties at the most, but I'll withhold judgment until I see him. The scene I want to see is when Ellis comes in and tells Dagny that if his company falls he's taking Taggart transcontinental with him. He's vengeful as hell in the book.
JoshPahr 1 year ago
Ayn rhymes with "stein."
cmbbroker 1 year ago
@cmbbroker : and Rand is part of the word "Kruggerrand", a gold coin. ;])
buzzclick500 1 year ago
John Hamm should play Rearden, and the guy who plays Pete Campbell should be his brother
StatelessEuphoria 1 year ago
Wait. The director is doing 127 pages? Does that mean they are making 10 movies? A 10 part mini-series? Or what?
What are they planning?
honestann 1 year ago
@honestann Part 1 is about 300 pages of the novel.
StatelessRich 1 year ago
@StatelessRich: That may be, but the director says 127 pages. Listen to him.
honestann 1 year ago
I want to add that her work meant a lot to me at a certain phase in my life, and I'll always be grateful to her for that. I didn't want to trash her, but I had limited space.
One more thing: Nathaniel Branden is a great guy, regardless of what she said. She turned on him because he broke her teenage illusions of being the femme fatale. He banged someone else, haha.
MckyMseNTarotCrds 1 year ago
Rand had a rather flawed understanding of what men are attracted to. It always seemed her romances were a 12 year old girl's fantasies: this one woman, that all the best men want, and if they can't have her they live in celibacy. It's a minor theme in both The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. But her stuff about individuality (though she never gave a certain German mustachioed philosopher the shout-out she should have) is pretty great writing.
MckyMseNTarotCrds 1 year ago
what a pile of shit. Rand is rolling over in her grave
MitchFlexwell 1 year ago
@MitchFlexwell
Why do you say that? I think shed be honored.
VirtualInsanity91 1 year ago
I'd like to see a film made of "Anthem", one of her shortest and most powerful and pointed statements on freedom.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
My Dagny Taggart is working her way toward me, and she WILL find me. ;])
buzzclick500 1 year ago
I tyried to make a joke, comedy is hard.
supressorgrid 1 year ago
@supressorgrid : Comedy is born out of tragedy, confusion and angst. Get busy and make money with it. Now. Today. ;])
buzzclick500 1 year ago
Bill Oreilly for Rearden, Sarah Palin for Dagney.
supressorgrid 1 year ago
@supressorgrid Lol... I think this is a joke but I can't really tell.
dubya68 1 year ago
@supressorgrid
uh no. You have obviously never read the book, Oreilly and Palin have absolutely nothing in common with the characters you mentioned. Nothing at all.
Macpwr90 1 year ago
@Macpwr90 : O'Reilly and Palin are stick-puppets in the hands of Jewish wire-pullers behind the stage-curtain.
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@buzzclick500
Cool story.
Macpwr90 1 year ago
@buzzclick500 which makes you a pathetic helpless puppet of the eeevvviiilll Jooos, since you people cannot seem to stop complaining about how much better the eeevvviiilll Joooos are than you
Ty311 1 year ago
@Ty311 : It's true, when I went through my Jewish "phase", I did think I was better than non-Jews. I've moved on. ;]
buzzclick500 1 year ago
@buzzclick500 yet you are still just the Jew's bitch...oh well - at least you tried
Ty311 1 year ago
@Ty311 : So, I take it you have a lot of time on your hands, and not much else to do...?
buzzclick500 1 year ago