Hybrid and SUVs are both crap for our planet

[TheDucky2011]

Shut your fuck mouth my hummer is mor than ur cheap ass

[cash68]

@TheDucky2011 lol. You can barely spell and what you wrote doesn't even make sense. Have fun getting 12mpg, dumbshit. I'll be the one passing you in my 300hp audi.

[Raptor232]

All SUVs are massive pieces of shit.

[HOLYHECKITSPAUL]

awesome video.. but slow it down at some points. i cant read a paragraph in 2 seconds (literally)

[wetlander]

very good video with some interesting information.

I drive a 1991 honda civic

it has 190,000 miles on it as of last week! woot!

Also as of last week it get's me 38mpg in the city

oh, and it's paid for! for quite some now now.

[scootergreen3]

This is a GOOD video and message. I don't understand why more people don't care. We have a careless, selfish world of people. Europe, I love you and I want you to know that all Americans are not selfish people who pollute the world. Many of us hate these practices, but our own Government has become careless and selfish; And they are the ones who should teach us correctly. Thank you for posting this video.

[cashw55]

I like the video. I wished more people thought like this.

[SanFran90]

This whole video was kinda unnerving considering I'm about to receive a Ford SUV myself.

I'd rather buy an older '70s or '80s car anyway.

[TivoliMylarBalloons]

Yeah! old cars rules!

80s cars forever!

new cars most be banned!

[tsslaporte]

Hey, who ever created this video is not to smart. this is pertaining to the SUV information.

1.SUV's have much larger interior space then cars which is why people buy them not to off road or for performance.

2. Crumple zones are in every new car now. New cars are engineered with crash beams,crumple zones to ensure all the energy of the cash is not fully received were the passengers sit but channel the energy to the whole frame of the car.

All your Crash info is outdated.

[cash68]

If you're going to be questioning my intelligence, maybe you aren't TOO smart. Notice I used the correct version of TOO, unlike you, dumbass.

[cash68]

1. No, they really don't. Most SUVs have gigantic wheel wells in the rear, which narrows the interior room significantly. This means the common minivan generally has much more room than an SUV. Also, station wagons have a lot of room as well, they just aren't as tall, are safer, more fun to drive, handle better, brake better, and get better MPG.

[tsslaporte]

I have an Audi Q7 3.6 I get 22mpg highway easy, and tons of room. station wagons are not fun to drive like this, and minivans are not even remotely fun to drive.

[cash68]

Dude, you don't even know what the hell you are talking about. I own an S6 avant which will absolutely crush every aspect of performance compared to your retarded ass SUV. It has a high center of gravity, which contributes to poor braking, handling, response, and emergency changes in direction. I'm blocking you because you obviously are not going to listen to reason. Please flip into a ditch before you have kids.

[cash68]

2. SUVs still have reinforced frames for offroading and towing. My boss had a 2 year old lexus SUV, the big one. He was rear ended by a grand am. The Grand Am was totalled, but the driver was fine. He still has back problems, because the pontiac hit the area where hitches mount to the frame. Since SUVs have such stiff frames, they transmit the shock/energy directly into the passenger compartments. This is one of the reasons the deathrates are so much higher than avg passenger cars.

[tsslaporte]

The grand am was totaled because of the crumple zones, it unfortunate that he has back pain but any car this will happen not just an SUV. My friend got rear ended in this Saturn car forget the model it got totaled and he had back issues also.

[cash68]

Wrong again. If they are both cars, the bumpers are compatible, and the vehicle can crumple as it was designed to do so. With the big lexus, the bumper is so high that the grand am hit the frame/bumper support of the vehicle, sending the impact directly along the frame rails into the interior, where the seats are bolted. You are dumb. You don't know what you are talking about at all. Bumper compatibility. Look it up, moron.

[urmomfarturdaddied]

@tsslaporte: Ok how many Hummer H2's are driven by little moms driving their kids to soocer practice will drive off-road? NONE! CAUSE AMERICANS DRIVE SUVS WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T! Also how are station wagons less fun than a gas-guzzler when there are some hyper-wagons like the Audi RS6 Advant (with a Lambo V10), the BMW M5 Touring, (one of the best sports cars out today) or the Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (with a 6.1L HEMI V8) that can beat the hell out of purpose built sports cars?

[EatmyDust1311]

they stopped making the Magnum 3 years ago;(

[urmomfarturdaddied]

Oh yeah speaking of laughing at SUVs in the ditch I've seen a small Chevy Blazer that I was behind a few months ago in a heavy snowstorm, it was drifting and it eventually spun out and I was laughing uncontrollably because it had 4WD, and I was in my Saab, which is FWD.

[urmomfarturdaddied]

I don't think most people will listen to the hybrids and production part, I think it's kinda of true although I never heard of stuff like this. Sometimes it's good to keep old cars, like sports cars and maybe my Saab 900 NG because they could become collectibles. Also, I generally like older sports cars because they're lighter, smaller, and have no stupid high-tech traction control like newer cars.

[TivoliMylarBalloons]

volvo 343 is a awesome car

[cjinsd]

Everyone with an SUV should go off roading immediately, preferably somewhere that useless endangered species are currently being used by misanthropic ecoscammers as an excuse to block development.

[brianpw2sydney]

Buy a bicycle

[cash68]

Only really applicable for shorter commutes or higher population densities.

[theannoyingdogpoo]

"However, emissions of the pollutants and CO2 resulting from vehicle manufacture and end-of-life are small compared to those resulting from the vehicle usage"

Source: "An environmental-economic evaluation of hybrid electric vehicles: Toyota Prius vs. its conventional internal combustion engine Corolla", Lester B. Lave, Heather L. MacLean

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You'll reduce pollution much more by driving a newly made high MPG hybrid meeting strict emission standards than an old dirty inefficient wreck.

[myndenway]

I agree that we need to drive our older cars more before scraping them. Why? Because we can't afford to keep buying new. That leads to consumer debt and that is part of this economic disaster we are now seeing.

But man-made CO2 caused global warming is a dead. Over 15,000 scientists have signed a petition questioning it now. In fact, global warming itself is questioned as average temperatures continue to drop and the Antarctic sheet expands.

[mailinator29834234]

Are you suggesting we're not yet using enough of the earth's resources?

[payntingdotcom]

It's funny how some people who otherwise poo-poo the big corporations as a matter of ideology, get suckered into buying new cars every few years because they are told they are "better for the environment". The third rock from the sun doesn't really care about you, your car, or anything else. It's going to be happily sitting in space long after we're gone and it won't know that we were ever here.

[wetlander]

so 15,000 morons signed a piece of paper big whoopiedy doo da. Need proof? look at Venus. case closed.

Now may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits.

[payntingdotcom]

Actually, it is now in excess of 30,000. Enjoy your early winter.

[csquirrel]

Everyone seems to be missing the point that new cars do the majority of their waste simply be being made. They use lots of exotic materials these days too. If you just keep your car running and looking beautiful you stop the majority of the waste before it happens. Jesus... watch the damn video and absorb the numbers. It's like people complaining over AIG bonuses... in the big picture we gave them 170,000 million, only 165 million was bonuses... that's nothing. It's relative, pay attention

[wetlander]

i think the point against the bonuses for most people is the fast that they got a bonus for doing a bad job. Most of us who really have to work for a living don't get a bonus in that case, we get fired.

[viteminwater]

I agree to some of your reasonings but I think many of your opinions aren't very realistic. Resources are to be made into valuable goods of various kind. If we don't make what are resources for? What about the economy? How else are we going to interact finances and sustain our lives? Besides older car bodies can be recycled to make new ones which are in fact BETTER for the environment. Tech is changing fast so why not cars? Of course we have to cut spending on some aspect but you video sounds

[viteminwater]

so pessimistic about utilizing any sort of resources that are meant to be spent for betterment of our daily lives in the modern society. It sounds like you're saying we should stop everything and go back to caves just to conserve resoruces.

[mailinator29834234]

Try researching that. Obviously we're overusing the earths resources.

[wetlander]

" go back to caves just to conserve resoruces."

you just don't realize how close to the truth you are with your sarcasm do you? You really should look up how much energy you save with an earth-sheltered home ...

[xthewh3elmanx]

Dude, you have the same view towards SUVs and hybrids as me. I just want to set every single SUV (don't reply to me on this) on fire. Saving cars is good, but it's really (for me) works for sport cars, like my Porsche 928 which I had since 2002. Hybrids are just stupid silent killers that people rage about cause it has batteries. My Saturn Astra, can get almost 40 mpg on the highway if I drive right, almost reaching prius territory.

[blur880]

A Porsche 928 gets lower mpg just like an SUV. Many sports cars are worse than SUVs.

Don't forget, when you are comparing an Astra to a hybrid like a Prius, you have to compare city mpg to city mpg and highway to highway.

Atras are rated at 24city and 32 highway. The Prius is rated at 48 city and 45 highway.

Given, that most people drive 80% or more in city traffic and not highway, the Prius gets twice the mpg that your Astra does. It isn't even close (as you claim).

[xthewh3elmanx]

Ok good point but sports cars (unless it's something like a nissan Z) aren't driven a lot (I only drive the 928 once or twice a week), and they are supposed to have low mpgs because they are really powerful and go fast unlike those fat SUVs that you idiots drive when you shouldn't. With my Astra, my highest mpg is 38 and I don't drive like a maniac

[blur880]

Don't lots of people drive cars with big sporty engines? I wasn't limiting "sports cars" to Mustangs or corvettes. Mercedes, BMWs, Audis, Infinities, Acuras---anything with a 3.8-5.0 liter engine will get horrible gas mileage. And, these are all everyday cars. My ol boss had a sport Benz C class that had a 4.0 liter engine. He drove it over 2,000 miles per month.

My parents Camry hybrid can do 48 mpg city---but like your Astra, that is not what it is rated at.

[blur880]

I drive a normal Camry, but I dropped now to a 4 cylinder to get even better mpg. It was rated at 33, but I usually get much better. I'd like my next car to be an electic Mini when they come out next year.

[cash68]

Did you even WATCH this video? The whole point was that new cars are extremely bad for the environment, and you should drive what you have. A new electric car will be much worse than just putting 300,000 on your current ride.

[blur880]

Sure, consumerism is generally not good. You there are many problems with your quick-to-assume rant. First, who is to say that my Camry won't have 300,000 miles on it before I sell it? I generally keep a car at least 8 years. Second, it just depends on the car. A more modern car is always going to drive cleaner than a 1990 car that is only technology and braking down inside. Third, it is hard to argue that a car that gets 70+ miles per gallon is worse than a car that gets 23mpg.

[cash68]

300,000? Since you are talking about getting an electric Mini next year, I hope you have about 275,000 on your current car. And no, it does not "just depend" on the car. The entire point of this video was that even if a car gets improved MPG, the amount of resources consumed during production are immense. Over half the pollution created by one car is created during it's manufacturing/production stage! It is NOT hard to argue if you look at the big picture!

[blur880]

There is no general rule that says a new car is always worse for the environment. It depends on many factors. It would be hard to argue that a new hybrid or electric is worse than driving a 15 year old Hummer, for example. And, it depends on how much you drive and how you drive.

Plus, do you know how bad the internet is for the environment?

[cash68]

Okay, now you're just an idiot. Welcome to my blocked list. The internet has brought people together from all over the world, has practically eliminated the need for most retail stores, and saves so much energy through telecommunications (instead of airtravel), fewer retail locations (less energy spent on heating buildings, lighting buildings, building buildings), etc. Have fun ruining the environment, jackass.

[tgczus]

Any credible sources??

[cash68]

Sources at the end. All sources from NHTSA and other federal information sites. Send me a PM and I'll send you an email containing all the sources.

[john21031]

When you make an argument as you did in your video, you have to give some support as to why you think that way.

You are right about producing more cars though.

Read Michael Chrichton's "State of Fear".

[cash68]

Sources are at the end.

[john21031]

video isflaud.

China does not lack human rights and neither doesit lack environmental rights.

What you know about China is brainwashed into you bythe hostile us propoganda.

Also, what is wrong with Global Warming?

Everyone is talking about yet, noone actually realizes what is wrong with it?

Most of the land in the world is too cold to be comfortably populated by people. This land includes Greenland, China, and Russia.

A little warmer, means a lot more latitudes will be able to grow crops.

[cash68]

Go lick some lead paint.

[nicorelief2]

Everything you stated on the video is what I've been telling people for a while now. Alas, people care more about what the neighbors think than what's good for the general economy, their safety or the earth. Great video, though.

[10RRASK]

buy a geo or an old bettle. a geo get someting like 50 mpg and an old bettle gets something like 30. or maybe you should get a bio disel like a vw or a benz. HYBRIDS are DANGEROUS and LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES!

[pr3998]

sure... its all Big Bad AmeriKa. everyone knows the rest of the world uses Clouds ( usually model #9) for transportation.

such films are counter productive. the maker's seething hate for America debilitates their message.

[cash68]

I have a seething hate for stupidity, overproduction, and people who view everything as disposable. Nice try at sounding intelligent, but you still failed.

[pr3998]

Thanks for making my point for me... :-)

[cash68]

So hating overproduction, waste, and stupidity is hating America?

Wtf?

I like intelligence, reasonable use, and high quality goods that last a long time, and can be fixed when they break.

[RoyaleCafe]

high quality goods you say??? so for a person like me that does not have a car should buy an expensive car like a rolls royce or bentley so it would last me a long time right? Well i see some people with a rolls royce from 20 years ago so if i get a good car like that it would last me decades.

[christamoe]

I don't think there are ANY hybrids that use lithium ion batteries. Might want to fix that.

[cash68]

True. That's what they'll be using soon though.

[pr3998]

Way to go with circular logic...

[cash68]

Right now they use Nickel. Very shortly they will be lithium ion.

[theannoyingdogpoo]

cash68:

> Right now they use Nickel. Very shortly

> they will be lithium ion"

The problem is exactly at 2.06 you claim:

"The worst part is that many hybrids use lithium ion batteries."

So you lied to people at this point in the video. Why? How many more lies are in it, waiting to be embarassed?

Well, I'll explain in my next comment.

[cash68]

All hybrids are currently shifting towards lithium ions due to the fact they are BETTER batteries. Initial hybrids used lead acid batteries because of cost. Since youtube never lets you update videos, I wanted the video to be current, so I based it on what I knew would happen: Hybrids now use li-ions.

[minkco]

i wonder if this has anything to do with that CN report that was proved to be complete bullshit

[Slider912]

Seem a number of factually misleading statements in this video. For ex, in transporting new cars, is 425 MILLION litres REALLY the amount of pollution for moving ONE new car? Is this from Europe to America? America to Europe? Asia to America? What about vehicles produced and sold in the same country? And exactly which Hybrids currently for sale in the US or Canada are powered by Li-Ion batteries? Finally, the assertion about SUVs lacking crumple zones borders on the absurd. Name one.

[Scolova]

I agree, a '94 Ford Ranger was the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned (bought new) put a lot of miles on it, good mpg etc., got into an accident and I had to let her go. Bought a used '02 Taurus and it has only had minor problems in the last 5 years. People's egos and misguided good intentions are continuing to kill this planet.

As soon as the new car smell wears off or it gets a scratch, they want a new one.

New cell phone every 6 months and just throw the 'old', usable one in the trash.

[csstevens]

The worst environmental damage from hybrids comes from the production of the batteries. Nickel mining (mostly in Canada) is one of the most polluting activities on earth. Not to mention it must be shipped across the world to China for processing into batteries. See Jeremy Clarkson's little lesson in the new season of top video.

[Brently54]

Not a fun video to watch if you have to pause it all the time to read the text.

[cash68]

Sorry, need to fix that. The timing is off from my keynote presentation.