9/11 - WTC 1 - North Tower - Venting, Not CT squibs!!!

[ArcanineKing]

Many WTC engineers explained that this building is airtight in case of a fire, and that's not dust coming out of it. Many said the WTC's core would handle multiple impacts of 737s (since the 767s are smaller than those), and it'd still remain upright. Just like that time a large bomber struck the Empire State back in the 1930s. It's still standing after a long fire, isn't it?

All of this is illogical. It defies more than one law of physics and reality is not present here. This was controlled.

[coffeenuts44]

Airtight as in the big 140 foot hole in the side of the building or as in airtight as we clearly see a jet of fire come out the right side at collapse. Ever see E=1/2 mv^2 before? 200mph=90m/s 500mph=224m/s Now V^2 for both is 8100 at 200mph and 50200 at 500mph. Over SIX times the energy of their estimate for an airliner impact just in velocity. Now mass? another three to four times factor? Were already in the range of 18 to 24 times the energy. Go back to school moron.

[akhenatten]

The buildings DID withstand the impacts and remained standing. The amount of fuel carried on a cross-country aircraft is what brought the buildings down and not the impacts. The floors WERE airtight, the air and dust had nowhere to go but out the windows which it did.

A controlled implosion takes months of work including gutting out the entire building, drilling thousands of holes for explosives and even removing major load bearing structures pre-blast. This was not controlled or planned for.

[ArcanineKing]

The floors weren't the only thing that were airtight, the elevator shafts were pretty much airtight as well. As for the 'venting', there were squibs up to 50 floors down. How did "air pressure" get past two service floors, let alone, two large airtight elevator shafts to vent the windows at an incredibly fast rate of less of 2 seconds? There is a video that shows a squib emanating from way below during the collapse.

Also, read WTC's "Drive to the Top" elevator shaft renovation plan.

[coffeenuts44]

Stop with the bullshit and get a brain. Whats your point anyway? Every video shows the "squibs", which they are not, increase in velocity as the collapse approaches. Thats not possible with explosives. The outer collums were steel. How do you get an 80ft blast "squib" from steel collumns directed outward? You can't and you would have heard the blast over the rumble of the collapse. Ok so it came from the core, 35~60ft inside? How did it manage to exit a single window or vent port? Drrr!

[uyoudecide]

who cares jones found unexploded nanothermite its about to be peer reviewed independent labs have samples of the dust

The Truth Will prevail!

[Sandberg1972]

And u don't have ANY evidence either of the damage inside those towers.

Look my friend, if u know anything about the application of laws of physics in the real world, u would or should be able to spot the impossibilities of the official explanation fairly easily.

U don't have to know a lot about engineering, u claim u have to, but that's bullshit, it's a very CHEAP way to make people shut up. Nobody knows shit except for the structural engineers, right?

Go suck on it.

[coffeenuts44]

Apparently you patently ignore the structural egineers as well. And yes I have an engineering degree by the way.

[Sandberg1972]

OK, we'll give the ball to u then:

Can u prove that these "fires" burned in such a way that they caused the steel columns to ALL heat up at about the same speed (which by the way must be HUGE to heat up steel columns like they used in the WTC to over 500 or 600 Celsius), and ALL gave way at about the same moment?

Also, do u know what happens if just a few beams would be intact when most of the rest would fail (a highly UNlikely scenario)?

I mean, think again, do u know what the ODDS are?

[coffeenuts44]

And whats your obsession with "ALL" collumns having to be heated and "ALL" collumns having to fail due to damage and fire? If I supported ten pounds over ten sand columns that would each support exactly 1 pound and then knocked one out what do you think happens? 9 of the 10 are perfect. What if I knocked the center one down with the other 9 around the perimeter? Which of the nine fails first and what determines it? Do you get it or are you done yet?

[Sandberg1972]

Do I have to explain everything to u? Don't u know the meaning of the word "random"? Fires burn RANDOMLY, they ALWAYS do, it's in the nature of fire to do so.

A B676 hit it deadcenter? Really? And if so, would this, according to you, cause SYMMETRICAL damage or something? If u actually think so, could u perhaps explain the mechanism how this happens?

Never mind, u're too blinded to see. Don't bother answering, lemme save u the embarrassment.

[coffeenuts44]

Your argument is that the "ODDS" of the upper section coming down the way it did in real life,because of "random fires and asymetrical damage",is "close to zero". Therefore the only cause of collapse is a controlled demolition by nanothermite. You have no engineering expertise, no evidence as to what damage was actually like inside, little to no evidence as to the extent and degree of the fires, and no criterior for determining "ODDS" of anything. Basically you're talking out your ass.

[coffeenuts44]

And now you want to hash words on "random". Fire, or its flow and vortex generated are not random. Theres actually quite good fire modeling applications out there. Extremely complex and incomplete? Yes. Random? No. Besides I know you didn't mean the qualities of fire itself, by random you meant locations within the WTC, but well, you have no evidence to show which validates any claim you have so like always divert the subject matter.

[Sandberg1972]

Nanothermite.

Does it exist, yes or no? Have u heard of it?

Have u heard of LLNL?

U're evading the subject, I notice. Just like u're evading everything else. Constantly changing the subject.

Is this it? Ending with some speculative questions directed to me?

This still stands:

"The ODDS at that happening through fires that are burning RANDOMLY & Asymmetrical damage (caused by the impact) are pretty close to zero.

Now, if u think the odds are different, please provide arguments"

Well?

[coffeenuts44]

How is it that you can even come up with "random" fires and "asymetrical" damage?

What's all that orange stuff coming out of the building as it collapses? And more orange stuff shooting out about 8 floors up on the right side? Is that what what you mean by random fires or are you just talking out of your ass as if you think you know something. Why does the antenna drop first? Core failure? Why? Umm a 767 hit it dead center.

[coffeenuts44]

Please tell us how you calculated you "ODDS"? What variables did you consider?

[coffeenuts44]

Lets "ASSUME" as a given the aircraft did in fact mortaly wound the core. The core fails over time from stresses both load and minimal weakening due to fires. How should an estimated 40,000 ton, relatively intact, structure act coming down? Once it gives way, is it supposed to think about it for a minute whether its exempted from the laws of gravity. Did you expect some dramatic thriller like in the movies of the building slowly crumbling apart, debri falling, as the hero escapes in time?

[Sandberg1972]

U're right, in collapse mechanics nothing happens simultaneously.

In controlled demolition mechanics it happens all the time.

Quit acting like u don't see what happens in this vid. The toppart just starts to drop straight down.

The ODDS at that happening through fires that are burning RANDOMLY & Asymmetrical damage (caused by the impact) are pretty close to zero.

Now, if u think the odds are much greater than this, please provide some meaningful arguments.

BTW, ever heard of nanothermite?

[coffeenuts44]

Ya,and little green aliens visited me last night and they declared me their leader. You really need to get a life.Did you come up with nanothermite yourself?No you didn't, just last ditch efforts for a few quacks drumming up attention for their already self derailed careers.Please explain the story. How can you guarantee they could hijack the aircraft?If the hijackings failed,they couldn't blow the buildings. Or could they? Then why not just blow them to begin with as in 93 and go from there?

[Sandberg1972]

Quit beating around the bush Coffee.

Just provide a credible explanation for this sudden straight down drop of the upper part.

The mere fact that this happens indicates a complete simultaneous loss of ALL strength of EVERY column.

If u disagrre with this, then give some solid arguments as to why u disagree.

[coffeenuts44]

Firstly it is an enormous impossibility that"ALL"structures failed simultaneously. In collapse mechanics nothing happens simultaneously. Its called stress redistribution,yes it happens very fast but its not simultaneous.Secondly it doesn't fall straight down, the top section walks down tilting left to right several times, notice the antenna bobbing around.Lastly the core collumns near the top approached 1/2" in thickness and WTC1 took a direct center hit with the aircraft being fairly level.

[Sandberg1972]

Ever wondered why that upper part went through the lower part so "smoothly"? Ever wondered what it takes for the upper part to start dropping straight down?

U go think about that first for a while, then get back here...

[coffeenuts44]

It's called gravity Einstein. Assume the mass of one floor worth of contents is 1g. Assume the max load of one floorspan is 4g or 5g. What do you really think is going to happen when 15g of 25g of material for the respective towers comes down on the uppermost good floor? And no I don't wonder, its called a Boeing 767 flying at 450+mph.

[Sandberg1972]

This is good...

"You're blind for one thing"

Really? Am I? I don't wear glasses at least.

"What went on internally who knows"

WOW! That's a big acknowledgement from someone who supports the official story. And I really mean that.

Point is, obviously ALL of the corecolumns have failed at the same time, OTHERWISE THE FRIGGIN' THING WOULDN'T HAVE STARTED TO DROP STRAIGHT DOWN, from out of the clear blue.

Never mind that the dustcloud gets so big so fast that the upper part gets lost

[coffeenuts44]

Back to kindergarden with you. Ever play 'Jenga'? Pull a block out the stack is still technically standing right? When do you reach catastrophic failure? So how do consciously sit there and bash the official story, with no evidence, while saying "ALL of the core collums failed at the same time". Wheres your evidence "ALL" core collumns were intact and at strength. Where's your evidence that missing many floorspans the core, or exterior, could not buckle? Which by the way it in fact did.

[Sandberg1972]

What's funny or rather strange is that the roof of the toppart is dropping, while the underlying structure stays intact, in other words, the toppart is destructing ITSELF as the roof drops (sorta like a standard CD), then, after a few secs, the lower part starts exploding as well, with the toppart no longer visible.

If u really think that this is nothing more than gravity at work, then u need to dig deep to get ur highschool knowledge about physics & chemistry back online again.

[coffeenuts44]

You're blind for one thing. What went on internally who knows, but the external structure fails in a 'V' shaped pattern around the impact point, also seen in other videos. Watch 0:00~0:01 pause often, see the center fall and the left and right corners intact at least 5 floors up? It's more or less a wedge shape and floors below dont appear to be destructed until that upper edge of the 'V' gets there. Then the the whole thing goes nuts. And I distort nothing, the video evidence says it all.

[coffeenuts44]

I have my degree in electrical engineering. "Exploding"? Maybe you should stop for just a moment and simply consider whats going on you might actually have an intelligent thought go through your brain. Where you do think approximately 400,000 cubic feet of air per floor goes when initial collapse rates start at around 0.02 sec per floor. Thats 2,000,000 cubic feet of air per second? Tic-Toc-Tic-Toc. See the debri jettisoned out to the right of the frame(0:06~0:08) Kinda floats in the air yes?

[Sandberg1972]

Coffee, just quit ur pathetic attempts at distorting the reality of this situation, OK?

It's not working, I can assure u.

Quit being an ignorant dipshit, wake up & smell the coffee.

[Sandberg1972]

"haha yup pulverized to dust alrite. because the concrete and steel just disintegrated wen it dropped onto the other floors. "

haha yup, that's what always happens when you "drop" concrete & steel, it just disintegrates....LOL!!!

I just tried it yesterday, it worked, really, it did. I dropped a piece of concrete onto the street, and it just turned into dust, instantly, pure magic!

[coffeenuts44]

You and Franko94 should just get together and jerk each other off. Go hunt up photos or videos of the basement cleanup at WTC and will find that there was roughly 4 of the 6 sub levels filled with guess what? Mostly concrete rubble along with all the other charred debri.

[paulymac]

Pause the video between 0:03 - 0:04 seconds. The top of the building has already been pulverized into dust, so what force could possibly bring the remaining undamaged building down to ground level at near free fall speed through the path of most resistance? Answer: Controlled Demolition!

[Franko94]

haha yup pulverized to dust alrite. because the concrete and steel just disintegrated wen it dropped onto the other floors. obviousely its just burried under smoke.

[VanDerLubbe]

Funny how on most of these videos the camera doesn't follow the collapse further down.

Maybe because further down it wasn't just squibs anymore, it was a constant wave of expulsions, way ahead of the main collapse zone.

Watch this:

watch?v=Xo7t3XQ2PbM

and the same in slow motion:

watch?v=k-jYSy1SxsI

[coffeenuts44]

Think for minute. Lets say the average weight of one floor equals, M*g Thats mass M times gravity. One floorspan is spec'd to support 5 times normal load, or 5Mg. What do you think happens when the towers collapse, for whatever reason, and 25Mg and 15Mg for the respective towers come crashing down and thats ignoring kinetic forces. You can say it, progressive floorspan failure. The internal collapses are not symmetrical, internally certain corners are intially collapsing faster than others.

[coffeenuts44]

You simply don't know what you're looking at. It is clearly evident in you slowmotion video, watch?v=k-jYSy1SxsI, goto 0:16. See the back right corner blowing out, now how many floors is that internal collapse ahead of the front right corner in the same frame? Ohh about 8-10 floors.

[coffeenuts44]

And don't bother paying attention to recorded emergency calls from people on the 105th floor 20 and 10 minutes prior to collapse saying, "the floor is crumbling", another saying,"the floor is collapsing". Nor the helicopter flying above reporting the roof is collapsing 8minutes prior to collapse, or the exterior is buckling 2 minutes prior. Ignore all that.

[duckonkwack]

omg you people need some school.First it can vent because people busted the fucking windows out! use your stupid brains for a change.and yes if floors came down the pressure would vent at the windows below thru the stairs chamber.You dont bring a building down from the top anyway!

[jpbalkenende]

.... You are a complete ratard. Congrats

[peterene]

joke of the week,thanks man

[brodudesnsupras]

Fucking seriously man.

Also, would the poster of this video care to explain exactly WHAT THE FLYING FUCK IS BEING VENTED IN THE FIRST PLACE? The building is hermetically sealed. IT shouldn't have been happening that far below the line.

[Freedomlover911]

I was just about to say the same thing! Thanks for beating me to it. This poster does not know how the building was constructed. Venting can not occur below hermetically sealed zones. The building was made in three sealed sections for fire safety. NO open shaft for elevators running all the way up and down etc. Buncha suckers we are! I believed the lie for 3 years!!!

[coffeenuts44]

Are you serious? Show me any explosive device that will create a "squib" or directional blast plume over 80ft long. Are you suggestiong the squib is coming from external structures? Then what relevance does it have to the structure? None. Coming form the core? How does that blast "squib" manage to exit one window and not blow others out? Go to school genius...

[villhiemdeverm2]

is that so?

then if you watch the towers come down from another view, just as the tower is collapsing, you can see puff puff puff

the florrs getting taken out by explosives.

this video is showing only the massive squibs that were taking out the suuport underneath the fall line, so it would collapse.

you need to see the smaller squibs to really see it

DO YOUR RESEARCH