Compatibilism Commercial

[BlackMagnumFilms]

Take that, determinism.

[TheGreatOldOnes]

I thought it said cannibalism

so disappointed....

[unclexbob]

the argument against determinism always amused me. It boils down to "I don't like the idea of it".

I don't like gravity either, yet there it is.

[mardastheEitheist]

One of your best videos ever made!

[Artifactorfiction]

I don't beleive in Determinism or Freewill

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@Artifactorfiction So, is everything random then?

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (1 of 2) No I don't think everything is random - just not all pre-determined. If you could know the complete state of the universe at a specific moment in time you could predict the probabilities of each and every possible state the universe is going to evolve to but only when some 'next' state happens can you know for sure which occurred - still no room for free will.

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@Artifactorfiction Well, being a compatibilist, I believe that free will refers to conscious voluntary choice. I can't see how one can deny that.

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (1 of 2) Dennett makes a good case for Compatibilism via underminng traditional definitions of freewill and using a definition of freewill closer to liberty - and I do get his point - but if we are talking about what most think freewill is then I don't see how it exists - whether reality is deterministic or not -

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (2 of 2) - I just think on balance that determinism itself is unlikely in the light of quantum mechanics - and freewill, in the traditional sense, is illusionary - still maybe I'm pre-determined to think that way :-) 

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (2 of 2) To put it another way - where reality will 'be' next' is constrained by the current state - but this doesn't give total flexibility which I think the word 'random' implies.

[BrianTheGoldfish]

I'd love to enter into some sort of debate about free will and determinism but I'm too distracted by that Kia-Ora shirt. I want that shirt. I want it and I'm not sure why I want it.

[LatumWay]

@BrianTheGoldfish Its rather good, isn't it?

[LtHavoc1983]

So, does free will exist or not? From what I heard, everything is predetermined and cannot be changed, we are in fact, nothing more then robots that are programmed and things are hardwired into us, at least thats what someone told me in a thread, saying that because we can basically break down anything into mathematic equations, there is no free will or choice because its all running on math. If that is true, then I am not sure what that means to be alive then.

[PerilocutionAZ09]

I've never understood how people get from saying that actions are products of natural forces just like everything else, to saying that we can't do things like punish people and praise people.

It's just a complete non sequitur.

[LatumWay]

@PerilocutionAZ09 Its because they believe that the actions are therefore not coming from a sense of morality that we can exercise freely, but from neutral, uncaring natural forces. Therefore, people cannot be held accountable for their actions because in reality they didn't choose to do it.

Why? Do you think differently? I'd love to hear your response (and I'm not being sarcastic btw).

[PerilocutionAZ09]

@LatumWay Theistic free will is a self-defeating delusion. Relegating conscious action to some transcendent realm does not take away the problem of what determines choices.

But even if there were a distinction between free-will "law" and universal physical laws, why would that mean that people can't be held accountable for their actions? The view that all justice is retributive & carried out JUST because we imagine that things could HAVE gone better, is childish and ignores future consequences.

[PerilocutionAZ09]

@PerilocutionAZ09 Sorry, didn't make that very clear. I should have said, "But even if we could properly DEFINE the theoretical distinction between free-will 'law' and universal physical laws, and subsequently falsify the former, why would that mean [...]?"

Anyway, awesome video, by the way.

[wecaan]

@LatumWay Who says people can not be held accountable? Everyone and everything is part of the system, including philosophers prone to pondering determinism. Theoretically, no one is responsible for their actions, but practically, they are. The people who're doing the judging are also part of they system, and they can't help but holding others accountable. If we didn't play our part, then we wouldn't be part of the system. So only someone outside the system can be expected to not judge the actors

[Knr911]

@LatumWay Here is my view. In a purely detemrinist world where nobdy's accountable for their actions we can continue to punish or praise people anyway because we are not accountable of our action of punishing or praising them. So we continue to do it based on our subjective moral grounds. Moving on.

[etherealstill]

@LatumWay Could one not classify particular instances of "uncaring natural forces" as "moral" or "not moral"? An instance of events that could be classified as "moral" could include functional brain states (perhaps revealing "intent") and sets of physical circumstances that resulted in a gun being fired. Of course, the law couldn't possibly be rigorous enough to distinguish each instance set, but could describe each class and allow juries to decide if each instance belongs to it.

[TheOJDrinker]

Wait, haven't I seen this before?

[LatumWay]

@TheOJDrinker Yes, its from my 'Creept Theist is Creepy' video. Some people said I should upload it as a stand alone video, so I obliged : )

[guatepower]

Actually, I was meant to receive an AM radio. It is destiny.

[KittehAnims]

Actually, your t-shirt made me thirsty.

[KittehAnims]

This video made me thirsty

[Hazy992]

AM radio? Where do I sign?!

[Lordlaneus]

lol, well not really, it only make me smile, but theres no commonly know initialism for that

[Frasssaa94]

First Zee instead of Z and now commercial instead of advert...

TRAITOR!!!

:P

[fourtehLOLz]

What's the number? I want my radio!

[QuarkyGideon]

This is exellent thank :D

[baeritukaez]

Solipsist Compatibilism is the future.

[Anghellik9]

Nice and subtle jab at nephilimfree there.

[mchance27]

Dave is hot.

[TheBoyFromNorfolk]

Sounds good to me. How much is P&P?

[JasonLeeWakefield]

ere a cum, benidorm!

[MsMrNoface]

Sorry to be vulgar, but that was fucking brilliant!

[rationalconscience]

we want MORE DAVE! MOAR!

[mindofthewolf]

*snerk* xD

[Knr911]

YES!

Instant Classic.

Dude, you're really talented.

[NaMgKCa]

Legendary

[alexisdutch]

and now i remember why i subscribed to you!

[noswonky]

Are you saying that your uploading of this video was pre-determined?

[RomeoCo]

I'll stick to Epicurianism.

[GreatBigBore]

Your American accent is spectacular. Have I told you that already?

[LatumWay]

@GreatBigBore Probably : )

[DeeDemonwitch]

@GreatBigBore That's because he's American. Don't let the English accent fool you. It's not even a very good English accent.

*hehehehehehehehehhehehehehe*

[SconeMason]

You do a great American accent, I'm impressed.

[inuyashaxx]

Oh my god, "Alex"s accent sounds exactly like Lauren's from the Catherine Tate Show!

[s8ntmark]

Haha, "Dave" sounds like he just came from a Monty Python skit. Was that Graham Chapman??? :D

[Ogihcati]

A FREE AM RADIO!? OH FUCK MAN! OH SHIT! FREE! AM! RADIO! BBEEEWWAAHH!!!!!

[BuBBaGump014]

Determinism =/= fatalism

[seany505]

@BuBBaGump014 They aren't the same. Determinism believes that everything is the result of a previous cause. Fatalism believes that the future is determined, and that this future will occur regardless of the laws of cause and effect.

[Gettinghitonattheban]

@BuBBaGump014

But is fatalism determinism's logical conclusion?

[BuBBaGump014]

@Gettinghitonattheban [But is fatalism determinism's logical conclusion?]

Only if your logical skills are subpar. If determinism is true then X WILL happen. The possibility of a different outcome does not arise. Thus, Determinism is this: given the current state of the universe U, only one possible next state U+1 is physically possible. Fatalism is: given that some future state of the universe is U+n, any physically possible prior set of states of the universe {U} is such that {U} entails U+n

[SkidRowRadio]

laaawwwwlll!!! XD

[Anghellik9]

HOORAY FOR RECYCLING OLD CLIPS FROM OLDER VIDEOS TO MAKES NEW VIDEOS! lol, please don't hurt me Latumway.

[JuryDutySummons]

@Anghellik9 I thought I recognized this. :D

[ScienceMusicLove]

Thumbs up for all the people who looked up Compatibilism on Wikipedia after watching this epic commercial :)

[Aresftfun]

Dave sounds like that one guy from monty python's flying circus...dinnsdale!

[QUANTUMJOKER]

This was a fun video, man. Amusing but also quite informative.

This is a little off-topic, but I view the soul as the sentient product of the electrical and chemical processes in our brains. That essentially means that every aspect of our psyche is predetermined, but this doesn't make our souls any less real.

The fact that our free will stems from an organic (and therefore predetermined) structure could be evidence for compatibilism. We can consciously override our hormones, for instance.

[LicoriceLain]

I used to do whatever other people told me to do, because I thought I was destined to do so. Then I found compatibilism and gained the inner strength to tell them were to stick it. Thanks compatibilism!

[rtottenc]

Is Compatibilism compatible with utilitarianism?

[LatumWay]

@rtottenc Its compatible with everything. Utilitarianism, yoghurt, jealousy, dust. Everything.

[MistressArte]

@LatumWay Fuck I'm a compatiblist without even knowing I was. T___T Is there a way out??

[rtottenc]

@LatumWay

Thanks LatunWay, I will send in my order right now.

Oh, yeah, your English access is just so fake sounding. As an American who watched Harry Potter and Monty Python, I am an expert in these things. LOL

[Ilikenuman]

@rtottenc

utilitarianism is to do with ethics.... compatibalism is to do with causality and how it relates to free will.

[PaninaroAurora]

@Ilikenuman -- would you say that those who believe in "The Secret"-- with their belief that thoughts become things-- are compatibilists? They either are... or a bastardization of them.

[waltonky]

@PaninaroAurora Based on what I know of that book, it's an assortment of a bunch of ill-construed ideas. I'm not sure a bastardization of compatibilism would be representative of that whole book.

[rtottenc]

@Ilikenuman

Thanks Numan. I like your videos.

Keep on being cool.

[Ilikenuman]

@rtottenc

telling me to keep on being cool implies I was cool to begin with. You clearly know nothing of my work lol

[rtottenc]

@Ilikenuman

LOL, Everyone is cool in their own way. :D

[geganobo]

lol 4th time you uploaded this? :D

[gothatfunk]

aw mate, this was an instant classic! great lols.

[NotRelatedToBob]

I could swear I've seen this before

[DKshad0w]

It was determine that I thumbs up this video.

[llamalord111]

I'll stick with cannibalism.

[RobertWilfredFoxton]

@llamalord111 LOL'D.