Try Moe's swing, I may look funny at address but I'm hitting it straiter and longer than ever. And I'm out driving most of my friends and hitting more greens. It's also an easier swing once you get it figured out. It does take practice.
This is a great discussion. The thing that is interesting to me is that both Norman and Hogan had a downswing plane that is above the backswing plane. This is also true of Sam Snead, and more recently Matt Kuchar. Some incorrectly think of this as "over the top", but it is not. Majority of swings on PGA tour have downswing plane below backswing plane (i.e. Jim Furyk). On the clip of the "move" in this video, you can clearly see the shaft lay down but move out and over the plane of his bswing
Hogan had to learn from someone, there is evidence that someone was Abe Mitchell. Abe wrote the book "down to scratch" in it he used a drill for the right
arm tying it to his side with a belt and swinging that way, in effect holding the elbow close to the body. Abe Mitchell, the golfer who sits atop the Ryder cup trophy.
It looks difficult because it seems you have to pull your right elbow inside on the down swing. But from my experience, and what I have figured out, is that you have to make a conscious effort to keep your arms as close to your body throughout the golf swing; all the back on takeaway and all the way through at impact. You need to feel as though your arms are attached to your body. Sounds wierd I know, but it works for me.
@SwingItLikeMoe Sounds weird, but I think you are correct, especially the right arm. This is why good posture is so important, with the hips back, as it allows hand clearance and extension down the target line. Tiger struggled with "the move" early in his career, as he had to try to clear his hips so quickly to avoid a massive hook, Sound like Hogan at all? Gary A. Ridgway II, PGA Professional.
This is simply how Hogan kept the club from getting stuck on the backswing and began to flatten the left wrist. The best golf swing combines power and accuracy. If you want power, you have to cup you left wrist to hinge more. Letting the club float behind you on the transition also increases it's range of motion. But you can't hit a golf ball from there. You have to work the club back in front of you and let the wrists get flat on the way down. Not really anything mind blowing here.
I agree on a couple vids Mr. Norman talked about his and Mr. Hogan's weight shift move. At the top they would both as Mr. Norman said sit on the chair. It was the left hip and leg movement. He talked about. Mr. Hogan even states how the swing starts from the knees and hips.
I think what you should be looking at are the hips.Moe&Ben moved the hips the exact same way.Never mine the wrist hinge,or wrist lag.If your lower body is moving correctly the arms will swing on their own and lag and everything else will happen.You can not manipulate the hands,it will never work.
Study Ben Hogan and Moe Normans hips on the downswing that's where the MOVE is.
@gdlblues1 I agree. There is no way that this footage of Ben is some intentional manipulated position. It just happens because he starts the downswing with his hips.
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I am a 1 handicap and have played for 30 years. I tried this immediate cupping of the right wrist down at the top of the swiing (also explained by Tom Bertrand in his book/video), and it was DIFFICULT at first. The more I practiced, the easier it became, and I want to report that after 30 years, I had the most solid ball-striking round I've ever had. Piercing bullets and long drives, I could really feel the left wrist bowed at contact. Thanks for posting this great video!! BTW, shot 66!
@dukesygolfer FYI, if the real dingbat would re-read the comment below he would realize that it was about cupping the right wrist which is absolutely correct.
A great place for people to start is to get the club inside using the right elbow/forearm,keep it connected to the torso.Don't listen to this nonsense about getting stuck and coming over the top.What causes OTT is over use of the shoulders,or over use of the hips.Start the downswing with the right arm dragging the handle down.You will get the feel of coming from the inside and creating a shallow arc to the ball.Feel is like dragging a wet mop.Find the slot/inside first.move left or start there
Try Moe's swing, I may look funny at address but I'm hitting it straiter and longer than ever. And I'm out driving most of my friends and hitting more greens. It's also an easier swing once you get it figured out. It does take practice.
mikepa67 2 weeks ago
This is a great discussion. The thing that is interesting to me is that both Norman and Hogan had a downswing plane that is above the backswing plane. This is also true of Sam Snead, and more recently Matt Kuchar. Some incorrectly think of this as "over the top", but it is not. Majority of swings on PGA tour have downswing plane below backswing plane (i.e. Jim Furyk). On the clip of the "move" in this video, you can clearly see the shaft lay down but move out and over the plane of his bswing
dylanmichaelk 5 months ago
Hogan had to learn from someone, there is evidence that someone was Abe Mitchell. Abe wrote the book "down to scratch" in it he used a drill for the right
arm tying it to his side with a belt and swinging that way, in effect holding the elbow close to the body. Abe Mitchell, the golfer who sits atop the Ryder cup trophy.
tallbergs 5 months ago
Love the video, but who is the jack off shilling for Mike Austin on every damn Hogan video posted?!?!
MWolverine1969 6 months ago
It looks difficult because it seems you have to pull your right elbow inside on the down swing. But from my experience, and what I have figured out, is that you have to make a conscious effort to keep your arms as close to your body throughout the golf swing; all the back on takeaway and all the way through at impact. You need to feel as though your arms are attached to your body. Sounds wierd I know, but it works for me.
SwingItLikeMoe 8 months ago
@SwingItLikeMoe Sounds weird, but I think you are correct, especially the right arm. This is why good posture is so important, with the hips back, as it allows hand clearance and extension down the target line. Tiger struggled with "the move" early in his career, as he had to try to clear his hips so quickly to avoid a massive hook, Sound like Hogan at all? Gary A. Ridgway II, PGA Professional.
Ridalgar 6 months ago
Kind of like Sergio's swing or? I think Sergio does "the move" a lot sooner though.
derekgbraun 9 months ago
@derekgbraun very true. sergio does it in a much more exaggerated manner, with a faster transition, but very correct indeed
bigboyrichbitch 4 months ago
This is simply how Hogan kept the club from getting stuck on the backswing and began to flatten the left wrist. The best golf swing combines power and accuracy. If you want power, you have to cup you left wrist to hinge more. Letting the club float behind you on the transition also increases it's range of motion. But you can't hit a golf ball from there. You have to work the club back in front of you and let the wrists get flat on the way down. Not really anything mind blowing here.
bunkerputt 10 months ago
I agree on a couple vids Mr. Norman talked about his and Mr. Hogan's weight shift move. At the top they would both as Mr. Norman said sit on the chair. It was the left hip and leg movement. He talked about. Mr. Hogan even states how the swing starts from the knees and hips.
Devinsherwd 10 months ago
I think what you should be looking at are the hips.Moe&Ben moved the hips the exact same way.Never mine the wrist hinge,or wrist lag.If your lower body is moving correctly the arms will swing on their own and lag and everything else will happen.You can not manipulate the hands,it will never work.
Study Ben Hogan and Moe Normans hips on the downswing that's where the MOVE is.
gdlblues1 10 months ago
@gdlblues1 I agree. There is no way that this footage of Ben is some intentional manipulated position. It just happens because he starts the downswing with his hips.
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MIKE AUSTIN WAS THE GREAT TEACHER IN THE WORLD OF GOLF AND HE HIT THE GOLF BALL 515 YARD AT AGE 64. DAN SHAUGER LEARNED FROM THE BEST TEACHER MIKE AUSTIN. I HAD SEVERAL LESSON FROM DAN AND NOW I HIT MY GOLF BALL STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND HE HELP WITH MY PUTTING AND SHORT GAME,DAN HAS 2 BOOK AND 27 DVD HE WORKING ON 3RD BOOK NOW aperfectswing I PLAY A BETTER AROUND OF GOLF NOW AND WITHOUT BACK PAIN AND CHECKOUT DAN BOOT CAMP I DID HE HELP ME OUT ALOT GREAT TEACHER
bigboycat1 11 months ago
I am a 1 handicap and have played for 30 years. I tried this immediate cupping of the right wrist down at the top of the swiing (also explained by Tom Bertrand in his book/video), and it was DIFFICULT at first. The more I practiced, the easier it became, and I want to report that after 30 years, I had the most solid ball-striking round I've ever had. Piercing bullets and long drives, I could really feel the left wrist bowed at contact. Thanks for posting this great video!! BTW, shot 66!
jddumas 1 year ago
I would like to know how does cupping the left wrist close the face?? It opens the face , dingbat!!
dukesygolfer 1 year ago
@dukesygolfer FYI, if the real dingbat would re-read the comment below he would realize that it was about cupping the right wrist which is absolutely correct.
jddumas 1 year ago
wow 0:21 is purity purified
dschultz6072 1 year ago
It looks like he is locking the elbow onto the hip, yes?
Tesla108 1 year ago
@Tesla108 I think you are right ;)
domainemain 10 months ago
cupping the right wrist??? it closes the club face... i tried it...hehe
BoHoVsGolf 1 year ago
A great place for people to start is to get the club inside using the right elbow/forearm,keep it connected to the torso.Don't listen to this nonsense about getting stuck and coming over the top.What causes OTT is over use of the shoulders,or over use of the hips.Start the downswing with the right arm dragging the handle down.You will get the feel of coming from the inside and creating a shallow arc to the ball.Feel is like dragging a wet mop.Find the slot/inside first.move left or start there
secretogolf 1 year ago
it starts with the inside of the right foot and then the torso unloading. the triangle is along for the ride.
xxxMrSuspendedxxx 1 year ago
God, that is golden. Merci beacoup.
emncaity 1 year ago
This is described by Bertrand in his book about Hogan's technique. The story is related by John Schlee who worked on his game with Hogan in the 70s.
TheHawkwatch 1 year ago
great hogan footage, where did you get that from.
koby2364 1 year ago