Michelle Kwan worlds championships 2005 SP Spartakus

[tiamarquez0]

I want this video on my DEXT MB220 unit.

[getrealandsee]

@anubethc45 Like she did Emily Hughes?

[lowdaisy1]

@getrealandsee This may seem a bit random but what's your favorite performance by Michelle?

[getrealandsee]

@lowdaisy1 East of Eden...that was a beautiful program and her costume was white...gorgeous against her dark skin. I loved that one. I hope I don't get pegged as racist again because I mentioned her dark skin...physically, Michelle is pretty.

[sarahgfan24]

Hello, Tara Lipinski. Nice to see that there is SOMETHING that occupies your time. It must be so therapeutic for your injured ego (imagine, to have an OGM and still remain UNEMPLOYED all these years?) to create so many YT accounts (howsabowsayowsa, allengslandlawns, getrealandsee, cleareyed, and many more) just so you can bash Kwan in all her videos. I hope it helps you recover from the fact that your initials represent the (T)RUE (L)OSER that you are, ha ha ha!

[HowsaBowsaYowsa]

@sarahgfan24

Ha ha, you caught me. I, indeed, am Tara Lipinski.  And I love Sasha Cohen more than myself.

[HowsaBowsaYowsa]

Her jumps are small and spins are easy and boring. No wonder she is getting crushed under CoP. Spiral was flawed too in this program. On a positive note she has a nice look on the ice and leaves a good artistic impression. But overall just boring to watch compared to Sasha Cohen.

[ehrenaissance]

@allenglandlawns You are delusional. Sasha has shallow edges and mediocre skating skills. What can't be denied, however, is her phenomenal stretch and style. Kwan is undeniably the most well-rounded female skater we have seen since Janet Lynn. And now we have Yuna to carry the torch. Sasha doesn't quite fit into that legacy.

[JNagarya]

@ehrenaissance It is unforgivable that you neglect to credit Sasha Cohen as the Greatest Faller in the Entire History of Every Kind of Skating.

[TeamKween2010]

@allenglandlawns I wouldn't use the word "mediocre" though. But it comes down the taste. :)

[JNagarya]

@HowsaBowsaYowsa The anxiety of worrying over whether Sasha Cohen will fall yet again is not to be mistaken as being a legitimate alternative to boring.

[thankallahalltime]

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[sayalamar]

she had the best jumps in the short program of all competitors!! :) not my opinion but fact of the COP score! :)

[sumimimi0]

7th??? at the qualifying round?? is it? if she did better, she could have one the 6th title..

[baragm12]

michelle was off her music here. if you watch nationals short you'll see. When she hit her sprial it was off the accent of the music, this through off the impact of the footwork sequence, and she missed the arms positions in her laid back spin.

[macerface]

i just got done watching a few sasha programs, and this is almost boring to me in comparison..

[korsakov1203mo]

@macerface this is one of michelle's worst performances ever, and yet it's still funny that a novice skater would disrespect such a legend.

[JNagarya]

@macerface Sasha Cohen's superb consistency as a faller is not to be mistaken as a legitimate alternative to boring. Anxious biting of one's nails in hopes she doesn't fall yet again is not excitement at the thrilling; it is the consequence of unhealthy worry and the stress that generates.

[ViVi80]

Does anyone have Michelle Kwan LP at the 2005 world championships?

If I'm not wrong, that's the program that she faltered badly on? Is that the reason no one is posting it up? Just because of some mistakes? So that her fans can preserve her image of the Kween? I love watching Michelle skate, but its just suspicious why that particular video is obvious missing on Youtube.

Pls post it up anyway if you do have it, its still worth watching even with the mistakes.

[kwansansog]

@ViVi80 I suspect the exact same thing.

[JNagarya]

@ViVi80 "Is that the reason no one is posting it up? Just because of some mistakes?"

Not having seen the video -- you claim it isn't posted -- how can you know there were mistakes in that performance? Substituting unevidenced presumption for objectivity and logic?

[rickram1961]

This is hands down my all time SP of Michelle Kwan's skating career! Her artistry and the jumps were superb here.

[KEBokeh]

For the new scoring system and people commenting about how the new system has lost it's artistic value, turned this sport into a jumping fest, and is making it impossible for future athletes to compete with both the technicality and artistry is wrong....Yuna Kim , Mao Asada, Miki Ando, and even Mirai Nagasu not only can they do triple, triple combo but are able to bring artistry into it as well. Michelle was great in those days but nothing stays the same forever....she is a legend.

[LutzDeluxe]

This was one of her worst SP in my opinion. Though the jumps were still there. It was clear IMO that her style was no longer fresh. This program looked like nearly all of the SP she did post 2002. She was no longer growing as an artist IMO and at this point was now past her prime.

[Karosanyo]

@LutzDeluxe It's still a good performance. I loved her performance at Nationals. The Feeling Begins was a great short program from '03. It was different than anything that she did before. I'll still take Michelle's "worst" program over ANY of the female skaters today.

[JNagarya]

@LutzDeluxe But see her 2004 Nationals "Tosca".

[ccpasse1]

I miss such passion and emotion on ice from skaters nowadays. There's too much emphasis on perfecting techniques that performances of late look robotic, cold, & heavy (from tension). No wonder, figure skating is not as popularity as it was during Michelle's time.

[mathew03bh]

her jumps are good but I just find her too stiff and emotionless. she can't even do a good spin and spiral.

[liliuaorom]

@mathew03bh O_O idk if ur just talking about this performance or in general, but michelle was known for her change-of-edge spiral and her emotion/artistry. in fact those are the 2 biggest reasons for her success besides her consistency

[uncchristine99]

Level 1 for a Michelle Kwan spiral sequence?! If that doesn't say FIX, then I don't know what does!

[mlc2005]

twilleger: Can you please stop calling me a dumbass for no reason! Thanks. It's really not cool, since I've never called you anything bad. It's also a bit weird.

[mlc2005]

Level one on her spirals is utterly absurd, I'm sorry! Plus, suddenly, a lady who typically got 5.9's and 6.0's in practically ALL of her competitions for the last 10 years suddenly gets average "skating skills" and "presentation/expression" scores. There is something really messed up here. I''m not a conspiracy theorist, but it's almost like thy just wanted her to retire, because she was so unbeatable for so long. Any system that puts Kwan down is a system that ruins skating.

[twilliger123]

@mlc2005 Whatever dumbass, so the scoring system is supposed to cater to an aging Michelle kwan who can't compete with all the girls throwing triple triples now anyway? Yeah right! Michelle didn't make her program difficult enough to work with the new CoP, that's her fault, no one elses!

[tinymavy]

@mlc2005 CoP was not built around reputation. today repuattion has crept into the PCS but it WAS more fair back then. Levels are achieved by holding the positions 3 seconds or more and doing certain changes of position and foot. Michelle and her chregraphers did not realize this and did not give her a spiral sequence that ulitized her capabilities. She CAN do a level four, but was in the dark over what constituted a level 4.

[lexlib]

had they remove qualifying this year she would've gotten bronze. this was her first skate in CoP and she was third in both short and long programs.

[MTVMANN]

After 2002 Kwan didn't do the Grand Prix (except for Skate America in 2002) and just did Nationals (which she won for 3 years) and the WC's. She had really "Been there, Done That" and it was fine.

However, with this new COP she should have competed to see what levels international judges would have given her.

However, she can do a Biellmann-like Spiral...just look at her 1998 SP. It looked good too.

However, they were right about her LP and it not working with the COP as well as it could.

[melanyshec1981]

she is consisten , very good, but her coreo is automatic like robot, I prefer sacha, when you see sacha cohen you see a dance.

[TeensAreNotChildren]

It's sad that this was her last competition.

[moonlightresonance08]

Why would Michelle's spiral be level one if there's a change of edge? What're level 2, 3, 4 spirals then? This new system is too complicated for me...

[fluteAHS]

@moonlightresonance08 from what i know, the skater has to hold the boot just to get a level 2...so stupid

[idolfan9495]

@moonlightresonance08

She got level one because she didn't hold her third spiral position for three seconds.

[desglacons]

The power in Kwan's jumps here is at its best of her career inspite of her overall 4th placing....I wish her hip woulda held out for her but her career was beyond amazing and she is human!

[uncchristine99]

I also loooved the glorious circular footwork from Nationals... "reconstructing to fit the new system" definitely took away. Her spiral pretty much fed right into her footwork but here... it just doesn't sing as much to me. And level on her spiral? What the heck!??!

[Dylvente]

@uncchristine99 Of course level one. She didn't do an ugly, forced catch-foot position that is painful to watch and shows the judges how much effort is being put forth. She did beautiful spirals the old fashioned way and in the Brave New World of the incomprehensible Code of Points, that won't cut it anymore. And just one beautiful layback position held for the whole time? No, you have to do 5 different positions in five seconds anymore. Sorry, I'm just bitter. :-)

[fong03]

In fairness, the leg position in Michelle's layback has always left a little to be desired and she did have a slight bobble during her spiral here.

But I DO agree with you. The new scoring system has made the sport more robotic. Neither the skaters nor the judges can be more flexible in their interpretations under the code of points. How do you adequately reward Michelle's beautiful edges?There isn't a point value for that.

[Dylvente]

You're absolutely right. Michelle's position was not the best ever. Not in the layback, not in the spiral. In the case of the layback, she went from average to better than average. For the spiral, outstanding but not the best ever. It just appals me that she would get a level one for that spiral sequence when skaters hitting thes awkward-ass positions but meeting the technical guidelines will get level 3 or 4. Like aesthetics has nothing to do with it.

[fong03]

Oh, I do agree with you. That's the problem I have with the code of points. All of these catch-foot positions to earn bonus points are just bloody ugly. If your leg can't stay in the position after you remove your hand, like Sasha, it shouldn't be there. Also, how do you properly reward a beautiful change of edge like Michelle's? I would give Michelle's spiral a level 2 or 3 I think. The initial spiral is breath taking, but the subsequent spirals aren't that great. Sasha would also get a 2 or 3.

[moonlightresonance08]

@Dylvente Maybe the aesthetics will be reflected in the GOEs and the program components (skating skills for ex)?

[FireDannyAinge]

Kwan's thought process is how it should have been but wasn't.

Kwan figured it was better to do the spins right and get plus GOE and then code whore a Biellman. Now that is the logical way to do things but skating is retarded these days.

[fong03]

Agreed. However, even with that mentality Michelle was still an above average spinner at best.

[tellito1]

exquisite like usual!! go michelle for olympic gold!!!!

[jprush]

I liked the circular foot work at nationals. I wonder why they changed it to a straight line foot work?

[BestFiction00]

They wanted to make it harder and more suitable for the COP scoring system.

[hollywood866]

SHe skates so pretty<333

[fluteAHS]

=/ she fell behind in the music before the spiral sequence...not as dramatic as it was at nationals...but still dramatic :]

[intldawn]

Yeah, because she added an extra position to her combination spin so it took up more time and made her fall behind. Marks were still too low, though, just like the year prior.

[idolfan9495]

I think it was because she had to do a longer spin to comply with the COP requirements. That goofed up the timing.

[lexlib]

the circular footwork at nationals was also way better than the straight line footwork she did here.

[AndyChen018]

Funny considering all the negative talk about her and the cop, she'd have with this program done better than any US lady at worlds this year and finished in the top 5 of the sp with all her only level 1 & 2 elements. And it all being done on a bum hip. Amazing!

[snofagun1814]

when did she start wearing tights? who has the lp i can't find it online anywhere

[lexlib]

that's the only time she did wear her tights over her boots. she usually wears it inside.

[banneling]

ooopss.. I meant a thumbs up on the previous comment below and I clicked on the wrong icon. I totally agree with what mic2005 said.

[mlc2005]

What kwan has that no other skater seems to have is the joy on the ice... That goes a long way, and we can nitpick about who has better extensions or spirals, cohen, or kwan, but the record speaks for itself. Cohen could hardly ever put down two clean performances... Kwan.... 5 world titles, 9 National Titles, Two olympic medals... and the love of fans unequalled.

[GymSkateFan]

I can argue who has the better spiral with just one word. If you know skating then you know that the judges should be looking at this word every time they judge a spiral but they don't which is why

Sasha was always over scored on her spiral. Fact is this word should make her SPiral a negative 2 every time she competes it sense she doesn't know the meaning of this word. The word is....

EDGES

[fong03]

Well, on the one hand I do agree with you. No one had the control or depth of edges during the change of edge spiral that Michelle did. There really isn't a question in my mind about that. The rest of her spiral sequence however, was pretty average and not executed as well as Sasha's.

And aside from Michelle's gorgeous sit spin, I was never much impressed with her spins. Her lack of flexibility showed there as well.

[GymSkateFan]

We will just have to disagree then because the point of a spiral Is the edges. Sasha has better flexibility but that is it.

Kwan was so steady because she was on the correct edge. Sasha's edges were always wonky.

[fong03]

Well, not really. Kwan's spiral as she glided backwards was not always so steady. That is evident in this very clip. That and the position was weak. It is a spiral sequence. Not every spiral within Kwan's sequence was as strong as her initial change of edge spiral.

And that's it really doesn't sum it up fairly. There's the edge and the position in the spiral. The former may be more important but the latter is not unimportant as it also affects control and difficulty.

[FireDannyAinge]

You are talking out of your ass.lol

Just because you sound like you know what you are talking about doesn't mean you do.

Sasha was overrated PERIOD and her spirals were a mess where they should not have been

[fong03]

Give me a break. And we're supposed to take your illuminating post seriously? You really sound like you know what you're talking about. Wait. No you don't. lol

[dylanvalente]

I really like the second spiral position. Very different for her. For a skater with her longevity you can understand why she struggled to create a different impression. But I can't understand how that spiral sequence could have been a level 1 in qualifying -- maybe she didn't hold the positions as long as here? Because her inside out spiral which all other skaters have adopted is still the best; no one has come close to doing it with the smoothness she had.

[sarah95pekoe]

What on earth are you talking about with the inside out spiral?! First of all, not all skaters do it, and second of all, please watch Sasha Cohen doing it. Even when she's at her worst, she has better extension, position and control(smoothness) in the "inside-out spiral" than MK ever did.

[AndyChen018]

You obviously don't know too much then. True, Sasha does have better extension. However, on the inside to outside edge spiral she never had what Michelle had. Sasha's edge was shallow, the control(smoothness) was not as secure. One need only look at MK from 1996 on to see that her inside to outside edge was/is superior overall to Sasha's.

[dylanvalente]

I actually agree that Sasha's spirals were better overall. But I guess you're not seeing what I'm seeing when you watch skating today. It seems in every women's short program the skater does some variation of the inside-out line that Kwan did. And watching most of them do it really makes me miss Michelle.

[moonlightresonance08]

sasha's spiral sequence always vows people on surface due to her extension and control. i thot she was better too until i examined further. her extension is unmatched but her control is due to her easier edge and lower speed. she also has less 'heart'/emotion while doing it imo (look at michelle's face and expression everytime she does a spiral, she just sparkles!).

[GymSkateFan]

She can spread her legs further but better control? No. That just proves you have no clue what you are talking about.

I am sorry to be rude but when you make a blanket statement like that that is a complete untruth I feel I have to call you out.

Spirals are about edges and Sasha's edges on her jumps and spirals are horrible.

[mlc2005]

@sarah95pekoe: Yeah, you really don't have a clue here. Cohen had flexibility, which frankly she milked so much it wasn't even funny (she relied so much on that), whereas Kwan had the MUCH faster sprial and the emotion. Cohen is very, very talented, but Kwan's spriral is an iconic move that brings audiences to tears. With cohen's spiral, people say, "wow, she's flexible," and then move on 5 secs later.

[littlepsyche]

@mlc2005 Uh..."Milk flexibility"? I guess landing clean jumps is 'milking it' too.

[korsakov1203mo]

@littlepsyche clean jumps? sasha couldn't skate 2 clean programs in a row at a major competition to save her life

[tinymavy]

i love this music.

[RosieMew]

She looks happy. :)