Wow! The same old arguments and rantings and ravings about who's right and who's wrong and bicker bicker bicker. Why I have no association with any kind of organized church nor religion. Follow the path that is right for you and just like Mrs Rabbit said to Thumper, "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all".
Im a women, even though i dont agree women should be elders, I think us wome have enough on our plate already. I mean, imagine trying to baptise someone while pregnant and doing the sacrememnt? Personally i couldnt deal with it all.
Well some women feel that it's sexist for only men to be in the priesthood, also you don't HAVE to baptize someone, if your pregnant, all you have to do is say that your unable, just like a job, you also can get a kind of ''time off''.
This is a beautiful and wonderful Church. I know that the day would have come (probably by the 1860's) had Joseph Smith, Jr. the prophet would have lived that he would have given the priesthood to women. He was already close to that place with the Annointed Quorum in Nauvoo.
@renzopv777 Well....Not to us Seventh Day Adventists. Please Remember That Sister Ellen G. White The Lord's Last Day Messenger was a woman. Yes The Remnant Church, Seventh Day Adventist do ordination of woman.
I am neither an LDS, or COC member. I am not a christian. I do however, have respect for the COC. I live in utah, and I grew up around mormon culture. In the LDS church, women cannot receive the priesthood, and gay members are treated like second class citizens. I do not believe in Joseph Smith's teachings. I however, believe that the COC is truly, a forward thinking, especially in the way that they allow women to hold the priesthood, and that they are more open to gay members.
@jinettereloaded Well....We Seventh Day Adventists do ordination of women. Please Remember That The Lord's Last Messenger Sister Ellen G. White was a woman. The Remnant Church Seventh Day Adventist do suport woman in ministry.
@drc1981 Yes, We Seventh Day Adventists also ordination of woman. The Lord's Last Day Messenger Sister Ellen G. White was a woman. Yes, The Remnant Church The Seventh Day Adventist do support woman in ministry.
I am embarrassed by my fellow members of the LDS church who have posted some unkind things here and I have shown my disaprooval. Haven't you guys learned how it feels to be told that "your chruch is wrong" by the anti-mormons? Hold your toungs before you being to look like them.
There's no doubt that the Community Christ is an apostasy, not only do they ordain women to the Priesthood, but they claim polygamy was never a part of the church, when its in the Doctrine and Covenants! All the Community of Christ is is a group of people trying to fit in with society, they'll change any of their doctrines just to make the outside world agree with them. At least the LDS stick true to what they believe, and don't let the world push them around.
@05lowell Hogwash! Polygamy (Plural Marriage) was added to the Utah LDS Doctrine & Covenants after they were in Utah for some years.
Section 111 of the CoC D&C adopted by the Church Assembly August 17, 1835 allows for only one spouce in church law. The LDS Church removed this section when they adopted Plural Marriage.
@05lowell Polygamy never was a part of the Church! Any polygamy that members in the very early church practiced was illicit. Section 111 of the Doctrine & Covenants adopted August 17, 1835 clearly prohibits polygamy. After Brigham Young founded his church in Utah in 1847 he removed section 111 and replaced it with LDS Section 132 proclaiming Plural Marriage. The LDS doesn't stick to what they claim to believe. They say they believe in P. M. but won't let anyone practice it.
thats what i call moving forward woman being ordained thats pretty cool wonder if that would be the next step(revelation) for the LDS church to have woman ordained outside the temple with the priesthood/priestess power
No. We already have the awesome power of woman and motherhood... and I don't mean that sarcasticly. Men are to be the head of the house and preside with the Power of God. Our role is to guide the growth and learning of our family. We are already naturally more spiritually intune then men are, there is no need for us to hold the Priesthood and there is no indication from the scriptures that women did, will, or should. :)
Ordenando a una mujer, vaya manera de burlarse de Dios y jugar a la iglesita.Verguenza deberia darles a esos lidercillos estar jugando con la conciencia de esa pobre gente. A ver si no les cae un rayo por tanta apostasia.
12 And my people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE over them. O MY PEOPLE, "THEY" who "LEAD" THEE cause thee TO ERR and destroy the way of thy paths.
- Read this in the Book of Mormon - it is also in the bible -Isaiah 3 - listen to the Lord's servants and get out of your false church. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints is the TRUTH and the ONLY church of JESUS CHRIST
THINK about this for a second...if WOMEN were supposed to hold the priesthood - why in ALL the years the Prophet Jospeh Smith gave revelations on the topic of PRIESTHOOD did he NOT say women should have it - or why did He not ordain them? - this is preistcraft that the prophet warned us about - feminsim crept into this church and got a hold of it - it is not anything more than a system inspired by satan (feminism) to further erode the family unit.
LDS women are given the priesthood in the temple, so doesn't the idea of women using priesthood make sense. If a woman becomes an LDS priestess that suggests she has priesthood and should be aloud to use it, same if she becomes a Goddess at some point.
God calls many to be in different positions of the church. Man & Women. though the bible or "scrolls" is inspired from our father, men still wrote them & they went the the times back then&women weren't favored. If God called this woman to be ordained GOD BLESS HER! I left the LDS & now a Cofchrist investigator. God called me to be a minister before entering the LDS church,but it's only a "title" Do not deny what God calls you to do even if others disagree!
"IF God called this women to be ordained"... exactly, BUT God didn´t call her. Your church is a perfect apostasy, Joseph Smith teachings help me to understand that.
Hey CarrieUnderwood1997, is that GREG AND BRENDA L. in the background? It looks like them....I KNOW THEM...they used to attend a camp I attended back in Maine!!
gypsydarklady, youre an idiot. In the same paragraph, or in your case in the same sentence, you said that women had leaderships roles in the early church, and then later admitted the bible says otherwise. So where are these leadership roles? In your head, only.
Who are you to accuse everyone to be wrong except you. You use the priesthood like its some kind of power play. The priesthood would be nothing without the support system the women provide. You don't have to have the priesthood to be a leader. Women in the church lead everyday in the LDS church. God had a purpose for both men and women....and he doesn't intend for us to ourselves unequally to each other.
From my prospective, the present Community of Christ are really striving to be true Christ-ians. They allow meetings in the Kirtland Temple of any restoration faith, including LDS as well as some groups that broke away from them. I understand the Kirtland RLDS Stake provided the LDS Stake use of their faciities after a fire at the LDS building.
The Ft. Madison Iowa LDS Branch met in the RDLS Branch chapel until they'd built their own and the LDS/CoC relations in nearby Nauvoo are excellent.
Growing up in Iowa in the 60's and 70's our LDS Ward and the RLDS Branch were in on very good terms. We visited each other's church services, kids at the same schools often became friends and we all enjoyed comparing the similarities and differences in ordainces, doctrine and procedures. Of course this was before women could hold the priesthood and the name change. We knew there were some big differences, but we all generally remained diplomatic and treated each other as religious cousins.
Does that change the fact that they are distorting the truth, giving the priesthood to those whom it does not belong and reject true prophets and apostles living today? All the good that a person does is irrelevant, all that matters is that we do things the way God wants them done.
If God didn't want women to lead then why would he call on so many women to take leadership roles? In the days of Jesus, if thier was a prophet usually would only preach and teach to men. But Jesus called upon all people men and women to take leadership roles. It wasn't until the 4th century that the Bible was even put together so you have 300 yrs for men to change women's roles in the church. Ex: Look at the way Mary is portrayed, and how her story begins right after the story of the prositute
Paul's writings show women serving as prophets (Philip's daughters), deacons (Phoebe), missionaries (Prisca), and leaders of local communities (Lydia). One is even called an apostle (Junia). Women in the Pauline churches clearly were called and chosen for discipleship and leadership.
I left the LDS church. Only Jesus gives the authority through his father on whom is ordained.If Jesus tells someone to ordain them into the priesthood/elder etc it will be done.there were deconesses & prophetesses in the days of the bible. I left the LDS church & went to the Cofchrist because they show more respect to the women!
Read my comments. It is sad you would leave thinking that the LDS church treats women poorly - this is not true and you know it. YOU left because of pride - like in the New Testament when a man wanted to purchase the power of God - you wanted something you could not have. The Lord gives to us what HE thnks is right for us..we need to SUBMIT ourselves beofre the LORD and follow HIS counsel - not our own - that is when apostacy happens - come back to the TRUTH.
The Community of Christ denounced Brigham Young when he took control of the church and started to preach polygamy, after Joseph Smith was killed. This is where the the Community of Christ church broke with the mormons.
I beleive that Brigham Young was a prophet....but I don't beleive that all of his teachings were "prophetic"....Joseph Smith said himself that "a prophet is not always prophet" they are capable of mistakes too!! Thank you for your response! gypsydarklady.
I agree Akjcareer. Man does make mistakes. Churches grow and change all the time. Our church had a lot of people break off from the Community of Christ after we started allowing women into the priesthood in the 80's. Some times I believe when a church grows so big it is bound to have a break off here and there. Example: The catholic church and the many branchs that extend from it.
It's comments like this that turn people away from the church. Who are you to say who has authority to act in Gods name. When you are in the service of your fellow men, you are in the service of God. Anything good is of God. We mormons get so much critisism and we wonder why. So many talk about the preisthood like its a trophy. The preisthood is a priveledge. This is a special ocassion for this person...don't take that away from them.
I know who the Community of Christ are (used to be RLDS). If you do your research you will see that their were many preisthood holders (whom received it through Joseph Smith Jr.)that broke off with them. I may not agree with some of their teachings as they don't agree with ours. Does that give me the right to critisize them and hold myself above them by through the "I got the priesthood and you dont" card at them? No!! If you want respect then you have to give it.
We came here to America to worship as we wish. Our responsibility as LDS members is to share the love of christ and share our message with those around us, not critisize them for what they beleive in.
D&C 18:20 says, "Contend against no church, save it be the church of the devil."
I really don't think that the community of christ church is of the devil so therefore we are commanded not to critisize them or any church for that matter.
I'm wrong??? what am i wrong about? LDS and Community of Christ have the same foundation....we just broke off from each other when Joseph Smith died....I'm not understanding what I'm wrong about?
The Community of Christ is not an offshoot of the LDS church. They both came from the original Restoration church. The CoC traces its baptism and ordination to the Church established through Joseph Smith Jr. The LDS trace their Baptisms and ordinations from Brigham Young when he founded their Church shortly after they arrived in Utah.
@kitiowa Mmmmm... A little more digging and a little more history would serve you well. The LDS Church was restored through Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, being the senior apostle, was next in line for the presidency of the Church when Smith was martyred. Young did not found any Church. Some of Smith's family thought that the Priesthood line of authority should have stayed in the family (citing Moses & Aaron and Abraham, Isaac & Jacob as examples.
@BigIrishman16 (cont.) They (the founders of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now called the Community of Christ) stayed behind when the LDS pioneers trekked across the plains to fulfill one of Smith's prophecies.
@BigIrishman16 (cont.) And, although they did all they could to keep the faith, they began to fall into some apostate practices, like ordaining women to the priesthood, when the line of succession was broken and there were no more males who were direct descendants of Smith to head up the church.
I can say the same to you. Rigdon and members of the Smith family all had better claims to the leadership of the church than Young. Brigham Young quickly got rid of Rigdon and sidelined the Smiths in his power grab. Once Young had a group of Saints hundreds of miles into the wilderness he established his new church. He had everyone baptized into his new church in Utah. The LDS church is/was incorporated in Utah rather than being the corporate body established by Smith Jr.
I'm an active LDS member and hate to be critisized for being LDS. So we need to be more considerate of others and be greatful that they are worshiping God.
The Bible was written by man. There are hundreds of books that early catholic church leaders had to choose from to be included in the bible. Those early church leaders were men. But if you look for those books that were not included, you will see that in fact, Mary Magdeline was one of the first LEADERS of the church. But of course, it was a very sexist time when, those books that were chosen, were voted to be official doctrine. The bible itself wasn't official til about 1000 A.D.
If the Bible was written thru God's spirit than you would have to include those books that were not included, as many were written by some of the same people as well, thus showing women were a big part of the early leadership of the church. Also, many of the books that were included were edited so many times that alot of the books are not the same as the original books. You can't use the bible in a literal sense to push your own agenda.
It doesn't matter Laffrat57, because no matter what proof I bring to the conversation, you will just deny it anyway. So, believe your literal interpretation, but know this. Jesus never condemned anyone for thier beliefs. He accepted everyone into his flock regardless of gender, disease, who they associated with, or what they may have done. Not once did Jesus say that women couldn't be priesthood members. He loved us all for who we were and never held one person up over another.
You say women should not be leaders...you need to be careful what you say. There are many women leaders in the LDS church. Do we not have releif society, primary, young womens presidencies? Hello!!! Dude....think about what you are saying. You make it sound like the mormon church belittles women when we don't. Just because they don't have the priesthood doesn't make them less.....Church authorities will tell you that women are equals in our Church...
I understand your point as I agree with it as well. However....we shouldn't critisize them for their practices. In early pioneer days we mormons were critisized and persecuted for our practices....so why would be turn around and do the same thing that was done to us in the past...even now we are critisized.....there is no justification to critisize another church for their beleifs! get my point.
It largely has to do with doctrine differences and succession of prophets. The churches (more than 2 sects!) have been estranged for a long time. Its sad because really you are our distant cousins. We both came from one church but went our separate ways.
They are probably bitter with "mormons" because we're trying to tell them how to run their church. We were persecuted in pioneer days for beleiving what we beleive. So why critisize someones else's beleifs.
I am a community of christ member, and I don't look down at the mormons, in fact, I can relate to your feeling of criticism because we have gone through alot of what your religon has.
Wow! The same old arguments and rantings and ravings about who's right and who's wrong and bicker bicker bicker. Why I have no association with any kind of organized church nor religion. Follow the path that is right for you and just like Mrs Rabbit said to Thumper, "If you can't say something nice, don't say nothing at all".
1tufboy 1 month ago
Im a women, even though i dont agree women should be elders, I think us wome have enough on our plate already. I mean, imagine trying to baptise someone while pregnant and doing the sacrememnt? Personally i couldnt deal with it all.
Fridderz 1 year ago
@Fridderz
Well some women feel that it's sexist for only men to be in the priesthood, also you don't HAVE to baptize someone, if your pregnant, all you have to do is say that your unable, just like a job, you also can get a kind of ''time off''.
CarrieUnderwood1997 1 year ago
This is a beautiful and wonderful Church. I know that the day would have come (probably by the 1860's) had Joseph Smith, Jr. the prophet would have lived that he would have given the priesthood to women. He was already close to that place with the Annointed Quorum in Nauvoo.
Starvalleybotany 1 year ago
APOSTATAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lva1983 1 year ago
a woman woth priesthood??? wowww...... total apostasy..... recording a "sacred convenant"
renzopv777 1 year ago
@renzopv777 Well....Not to us Seventh Day Adventists. Please Remember That Sister Ellen G. White The Lord's Last Day Messenger was a woman. Yes The Remnant Church, Seventh Day Adventist do ordination of woman.
chardie007 1 year ago
Anyone who is temple worthy should not be suprised by this video
VIV292 1 year ago
I am neither an LDS, or COC member. I am not a christian. I do however, have respect for the COC. I live in utah, and I grew up around mormon culture. In the LDS church, women cannot receive the priesthood, and gay members are treated like second class citizens. I do not believe in Joseph Smith's teachings. I however, believe that the COC is truly, a forward thinking, especially in the way that they allow women to hold the priesthood, and that they are more open to gay members.
IMAGIMATIONanimation 1 year ago
what a f... is this abomination to the priesthood... a can´t believe it.
jinettereloaded 1 year ago
@jinettereloaded Well....We Seventh Day Adventists do ordination of women. Please Remember That The Lord's Last Messenger Sister Ellen G. White was a woman. The Remnant Church Seventh Day Adventist do suport woman in ministry.
chardie007 1 year ago
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LDSapologist71 1 year ago
Congratulations to your mother. May God bless her in her service, fellow CofC member.
drc1981 1 year ago
@drc1981 Yes, We Seventh Day Adventists also ordination of woman. The Lord's Last Day Messenger Sister Ellen G. White was a woman. Yes, The Remnant Church The Seventh Day Adventist do support woman in ministry.
chardie007 1 year ago
I am embarrassed by my fellow members of the LDS church who have posted some unkind things here and I have shown my disaprooval. Haven't you guys learned how it feels to be told that "your chruch is wrong" by the anti-mormons? Hold your toungs before you being to look like them.
mrmn8honeybee 1 year ago 2
There's no doubt that the Community Christ is an apostasy, not only do they ordain women to the Priesthood, but they claim polygamy was never a part of the church, when its in the Doctrine and Covenants! All the Community of Christ is is a group of people trying to fit in with society, they'll change any of their doctrines just to make the outside world agree with them. At least the LDS stick true to what they believe, and don't let the world push them around.
05lowell 1 year ago
@05lowell Hogwash! Polygamy (Plural Marriage) was added to the Utah LDS Doctrine & Covenants after they were in Utah for some years.
Section 111 of the CoC D&C adopted by the Church Assembly August 17, 1835 allows for only one spouce in church law. The LDS Church removed this section when they adopted Plural Marriage.
kitiowa 8 months ago
@05lowell Polygamy never was a part of the Church! Any polygamy that members in the very early church practiced was illicit. Section 111 of the Doctrine & Covenants adopted August 17, 1835 clearly prohibits polygamy. After Brigham Young founded his church in Utah in 1847 he removed section 111 and replaced it with LDS Section 132 proclaiming Plural Marriage. The LDS doesn't stick to what they claim to believe. They say they believe in P. M. but won't let anyone practice it.
kitiowa 8 months ago
thats what i call moving forward woman being ordained thats pretty cool wonder if that would be the next step(revelation) for the LDS church to have woman ordained outside the temple with the priesthood/priestess power
VIV292 2 years ago
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mrmn8honeybee 1 year ago
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VIV292:
No. We already have the awesome power of woman and motherhood... and I don't mean that sarcasticly. Men are to be the head of the house and preside with the Power of God. Our role is to guide the growth and learning of our family. We are already naturally more spiritually intune then men are, there is no need for us to hold the Priesthood and there is no indication from the scriptures that women did, will, or should. :)
mrmn8honeybee 1 year ago
Ordenando a una mujer, vaya manera de burlarse de Dios y jugar a la iglesita.Verguenza deberia darles a esos lidercillos estar jugando con la conciencia de esa pobre gente. A ver si no les cae un rayo por tanta apostasia.
javierca1000 2 years ago
If "God" is mocked by women being ordained then that God is too insecure to have anyone be ordained to his/her service.
kitiowa 2 years ago
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TylerHinds 2 years ago
The fruits of Apostasy.
platinumcar 2 years ago
2 Nephi 13:12
12 And my people, children are their oppressors, and WOMEN RULE over them. O MY PEOPLE, "THEY" who "LEAD" THEE cause thee TO ERR and destroy the way of thy paths.
- Read this in the Book of Mormon - it is also in the bible -Isaiah 3 - listen to the Lord's servants and get out of your false church. The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints is the TRUTH and the ONLY church of JESUS CHRIST
imtherealthing 2 years ago
THINK about this for a second...if WOMEN were supposed to hold the priesthood - why in ALL the years the Prophet Jospeh Smith gave revelations on the topic of PRIESTHOOD did he NOT say women should have it - or why did He not ordain them? - this is preistcraft that the prophet warned us about - feminsim crept into this church and got a hold of it - it is not anything more than a system inspired by satan (feminism) to further erode the family unit.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
Wow..a FEMALE "ELDER"..never ever happened at ay time except in the RLDS church.
imtherealthing 2 years ago
Joseph Smith would be utterly appalled to find that women are now being ordained to the priesthood.
Only by getting back to the teachings of Joseph Smith can your church be taken seriously again.
ChampsElysees100 2 years ago
no, that church cannot be taken serously again because the unic church of God is The Chuch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
MiiDLP 2 years ago
LDS women are given the priesthood in the temple, so doesn't the idea of women using priesthood make sense. If a woman becomes an LDS priestess that suggests she has priesthood and should be aloud to use it, same if she becomes a Goddess at some point.
Advice4vice 2 years ago
what is this? woman ordained an elder??!! what in the world??!!
drivonike2 2 years ago 4
God calls many to be in different positions of the church. Man & Women. though the bible or "scrolls" is inspired from our father, men still wrote them & they went the the times back then&women weren't favored. If God called this woman to be ordained GOD BLESS HER! I left the LDS & now a Cofchrist investigator. God called me to be a minister before entering the LDS church,but it's only a "title" Do not deny what God calls you to do even if others disagree!
CandicesFellowship 2 years ago
"IF God called this women to be ordained"... exactly, BUT God didn´t call her. Your church is a perfect apostasy, Joseph Smith teachings help me to understand that.
MiiDLP 2 years ago
Hey CarrieUnderwood1997, is that GREG AND BRENDA L. in the background? It looks like them....I KNOW THEM...they used to attend a camp I attended back in Maine!!
bd5035 3 years ago
Yes that is Craig and Brenda L. in the background.
Freighttrains 3 years ago
if god wanted woman to hold the preisthood then shouldn't men be able to bear children?
fenderbender1237 3 years ago
What the heck does that even mean? Is that supposed to be a comparison?
bd5035 3 years ago
bad comparison. women need men in order to conceive a child. but men don't need women in order to receive the priesthood.
jmh731 3 years ago
yeah, is a bad comparison but is truth what it means.
MiiDLP 2 years ago
gypsydarklady, youre an idiot. In the same paragraph, or in your case in the same sentence, you said that women had leaderships roles in the early church, and then later admitted the bible says otherwise. So where are these leadership roles? In your head, only.
JavierValdez1985 3 years ago
laffrat57
You keep telling everyone "YOUR WRONG"
Who are you to accuse everyone to be wrong except you. You use the priesthood like its some kind of power play. The priesthood would be nothing without the support system the women provide. You don't have to have the priesthood to be a leader. Women in the church lead everyday in the LDS church. God had a purpose for both men and women....and he doesn't intend for us to ourselves unequally to each other.
jajcareer 3 years ago
From my prospective, the present Community of Christ are really striving to be true Christ-ians. They allow meetings in the Kirtland Temple of any restoration faith, including LDS as well as some groups that broke away from them. I understand the Kirtland RLDS Stake provided the LDS Stake use of their faciities after a fire at the LDS building.
The Ft. Madison Iowa LDS Branch met in the RDLS Branch chapel until they'd built their own and the LDS/CoC relations in nearby Nauvoo are excellent.
russelelane 3 years ago
Growing up in Iowa in the 60's and 70's our LDS Ward and the RLDS Branch were in on very good terms. We visited each other's church services, kids at the same schools often became friends and we all enjoyed comparing the similarities and differences in ordainces, doctrine and procedures. Of course this was before women could hold the priesthood and the name change. We knew there were some big differences, but we all generally remained diplomatic and treated each other as religious cousins.
russelelane 3 years ago
Does that change the fact that they are distorting the truth, giving the priesthood to those whom it does not belong and reject true prophets and apostles living today? All the good that a person does is irrelevant, all that matters is that we do things the way God wants them done.
BrianTerrill 3 years ago
I do not disgree on Mary, yes women have done a lot but ,
the Bible has allways had men taking the lead .
I'm Not putting women down I respect them
I'm just saying what the Bibles says.
laffrat57 3 years ago
Yes, you are right women haved helped
in many ways. Usually it happens when
there is no men around back then many men went to War thats why women was leaders
But it is Men that should put Spirtial things 1st in there lives. andd a lot do not.
laffrat57 3 years ago
If God didn't want women to lead then why would he call on so many women to take leadership roles? In the days of Jesus, if thier was a prophet usually would only preach and teach to men. But Jesus called upon all people men and women to take leadership roles. It wasn't until the 4th century that the Bible was even put together so you have 300 yrs for men to change women's roles in the church. Ex: Look at the way Mary is portrayed, and how her story begins right after the story of the prositute
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
Thus, leading most to believe Mary was a prostitute when she wasn't. It is just another way early church leaders went on to diminish women.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
The Bibles says what it says about God, Jesus.
Man, Women, children.
not to say women do a lot of work in the church just not in the Stage area.
yes women do help a LOT.
as the Bible says they Help man do God's Will.
laffrat57 3 years ago
GOD ,Jesus man, women, children
the Bibles says it, and it Is all authority
--- Just going by what the Bible says .---
laffrat57 3 years ago
Paul's writings show women serving as prophets (Philip's daughters), deacons (Phoebe), missionaries (Prisca), and leaders of local communities (Lydia). One is even called an apostle (Junia). Women in the Pauline churches clearly were called and chosen for discipleship and leadership.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
Not to say women can not Help ,
but just not be taking the Lead is all
laffrat57 3 years ago
They say they are giving this women the priesthood.
How can you give what you do not have?
babujohnson 3 years ago
I left the LDS church. Only Jesus gives the authority through his father on whom is ordained.If Jesus tells someone to ordain them into the priesthood/elder etc it will be done.there were deconesses & prophetesses in the days of the bible. I left the LDS church & went to the Cofchrist because they show more respect to the women!
womanpublisher09 2 years ago
Read my comments. It is sad you would leave thinking that the LDS church treats women poorly - this is not true and you know it. YOU left because of pride - like in the New Testament when a man wanted to purchase the power of God - you wanted something you could not have. The Lord gives to us what HE thnks is right for us..we need to SUBMIT ourselves beofre the LORD and follow HIS counsel - not our own - that is when apostacy happens - come back to the TRUTH.
imtherealthing 2 years ago 3
How do you guys feel about Brigam Young?
akjcareer 3 years ago
The Community of Christ denounced Brigham Young when he took control of the church and started to preach polygamy, after Joseph Smith was killed. This is where the the Community of Christ church broke with the mormons.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
I beleive that Brigham Young was a prophet....but I don't beleive that all of his teachings were "prophetic"....Joseph Smith said himself that "a prophet is not always prophet" they are capable of mistakes too!! Thank you for your response! gypsydarklady.
akjcareer 3 years ago
I agree Akjcareer. Man does make mistakes. Churches grow and change all the time. Our church had a lot of people break off from the Community of Christ after we started allowing women into the priesthood in the 80's. Some times I believe when a church grows so big it is bound to have a break off here and there. Example: The catholic church and the many branchs that extend from it.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
Too bad they dont have the authority from god.
cwood4ever 3 years ago
It's comments like this that turn people away from the church. Who are you to say who has authority to act in Gods name. When you are in the service of your fellow men, you are in the service of God. Anything good is of God. We mormons get so much critisism and we wonder why. So many talk about the preisthood like its a trophy. The preisthood is a priveledge. This is a special ocassion for this person...don't take that away from them.
akjcareer 3 years ago
Dude the Commuity of Christ arent Mormon they are an off shoot of the LDS church or commonly called Mormon.
cwood4ever 3 years ago
cwood4ever
I know who the Community of Christ are (used to be RLDS). If you do your research you will see that their were many preisthood holders (whom received it through Joseph Smith Jr.)that broke off with them. I may not agree with some of their teachings as they don't agree with ours. Does that give me the right to critisize them and hold myself above them by through the "I got the priesthood and you dont" card at them? No!! If you want respect then you have to give it.
akjcareer 3 years ago
We came here to America to worship as we wish. Our responsibility as LDS members is to share the love of christ and share our message with those around us, not critisize them for what they beleive in.
D&C 18:20 says, "Contend against no church, save it be the church of the devil."
I really don't think that the community of christ church is of the devil so therefore we are commanded not to critisize them or any church for that matter.
akjcareer 3 years ago
I don't mean to offend...I just want us "mormons" to realize that we can't put ourselves above others. This is arrogant and not of the Lord.
akjcareer 3 years ago
your wrong the LDS spilt from the church here in the mid west
split from the Joesph Smith group
laffrat57 3 years ago
I'm wrong??? what am i wrong about? LDS and Community of Christ have the same foundation....we just broke off from each other when Joseph Smith died....I'm not understanding what I'm wrong about?
akjcareer 3 years ago
You are right they did break off when he died.
laffrat57 3 years ago
The Community of Christ is not an offshoot of the LDS church. They both came from the original Restoration church. The CoC traces its baptism and ordination to the Church established through Joseph Smith Jr. The LDS trace their Baptisms and ordinations from Brigham Young when he founded their Church shortly after they arrived in Utah.
kitiowa 2 years ago
@kitiowa
true very true b. yOUNG WAS A FRAUD
MrAccordionPimp 2 years ago
@kitiowa Mmmmm... A little more digging and a little more history would serve you well. The LDS Church was restored through Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, being the senior apostle, was next in line for the presidency of the Church when Smith was martyred. Young did not found any Church. Some of Smith's family thought that the Priesthood line of authority should have stayed in the family (citing Moses & Aaron and Abraham, Isaac & Jacob as examples.
BigIrishman16 1 year ago
@BigIrishman16 (cont.) They (the founders of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, now called the Community of Christ) stayed behind when the LDS pioneers trekked across the plains to fulfill one of Smith's prophecies.
BigIrishman16 1 year ago
@BigIrishman16 (cont.) And, although they did all they could to keep the faith, they began to fall into some apostate practices, like ordaining women to the priesthood, when the line of succession was broken and there were no more males who were direct descendants of Smith to head up the church.
BigIrishman16 1 year ago
@BigIrishman16
I can say the same to you. Rigdon and members of the Smith family all had better claims to the leadership of the church than Young. Brigham Young quickly got rid of Rigdon and sidelined the Smiths in his power grab. Once Young had a group of Saints hundreds of miles into the wilderness he established his new church. He had everyone baptized into his new church in Utah. The LDS church is/was incorporated in Utah rather than being the corporate body established by Smith Jr.
kitiowa 1 year ago
I'm an active LDS member and hate to be critisized for being LDS. So we need to be more considerate of others and be greatful that they are worshiping God.
akjcareer 3 years ago
The Bible says women should not take the lead only men
laffrat57 4 years ago
That is why my church split off from them in 1985.
jeabo0adhd 3 years ago
Laffrat57,
The Bible was written by man. There are hundreds of books that early catholic church leaders had to choose from to be included in the bible. Those early church leaders were men. But if you look for those books that were not included, you will see that in fact, Mary Magdeline was one of the first LEADERS of the church. But of course, it was a very sexist time when, those books that were chosen, were voted to be official doctrine. The bible itself wasn't official til about 1000 A.D.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
Mary was a follower of Christ the Bible yes was written by man
Thru --- God's Spirit
the Bibles says: in 1st Corith 11: 3
talks about, Headship God, Christ, man, women
it still apply's today
laffrat57 3 years ago
If the Bible was written thru God's spirit than you would have to include those books that were not included, as many were written by some of the same people as well, thus showing women were a big part of the early leadership of the church. Also, many of the books that were included were edited so many times that alot of the books are not the same as the original books. You can't use the bible in a literal sense to push your own agenda.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
No Mary was not she was just a follow of Christ the the leaders was the Aposles
Peter,James John, Paul ,many others
And the BIBLE Has All Authority
over all other books
laffrat57 3 years ago
It doesn't matter Laffrat57, because no matter what proof I bring to the conversation, you will just deny it anyway. So, believe your literal interpretation, but know this. Jesus never condemned anyone for thier beliefs. He accepted everyone into his flock regardless of gender, disease, who they associated with, or what they may have done. Not once did Jesus say that women couldn't be priesthood members. He loved us all for who we were and never held one person up over another.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
Women should not be Elders the Bibles says it
laffrat57 4 years ago
You say women should not be leaders...you need to be careful what you say. There are many women leaders in the LDS church. Do we not have releif society, primary, young womens presidencies? Hello!!! Dude....think about what you are saying. You make it sound like the mormon church belittles women when we don't. Just because they don't have the priesthood doesn't make them less.....Church authorities will tell you that women are equals in our Church...
akjcareer 3 years ago
I see a women there if shes a Elder you are wrong its says it in the Bible
they should not be leaders .
laffrat57 4 years ago
I understand your point as I agree with it as well. However....we shouldn't critisize them for their practices. In early pioneer days we mormons were critisized and persecuted for our practices....so why would be turn around and do the same thing that was done to us in the past...even now we are critisized.....there is no justification to critisize another church for their beleifs! get my point.
akjcareer 3 years ago
ok their not supposed to do that but i dont really understand about your faith so are yall bitter with us "Utah" mormons?
mormonpatriot 4 years ago
no we arn't we are actually pretty good friends with the utahs! :)
CarrieUnderwood1997 4 years ago
It largely has to do with doctrine differences and succession of prophets. The churches (more than 2 sects!) have been estranged for a long time. Its sad because really you are our distant cousins. We both came from one church but went our separate ways.
jeabo0adhd 3 years ago
They are probably bitter with "mormons" because we're trying to tell them how to run their church. We were persecuted in pioneer days for beleiving what we beleive. So why critisize someones else's beleifs.
akjcareer 3 years ago
I am a community of christ member, and I don't look down at the mormons, in fact, I can relate to your feeling of criticism because we have gone through alot of what your religon has.
gypsydarklady 3 years ago
im lds and i wanna know wats da diffrence betwwen lds and your church?
mexican10a 4 years ago
We believe Joseph's son, (J.S. III) was the true successor of the Church. That is the main reason.
We have never believed plural marriage was or is right.
We believe God is the only one and true God.
Marriage in our eyes is a temporal union.
We keep nothing secret like whats ocurrs in the
jeabo0adhd 4 years ago
I am LDS, and I am still a pirest of the Aaronic Priesthood. Hope Jesus bless your mom and your family too.
AarmOZ 4 years ago 2
What a blessing, may your family comtinue to receive blessings.
Vitamorm 4 years ago