Provoking the Russian bear

[rambo753]

Europe should dismiss the US and bond with Russia.

this is the only possible alliance for a strong Europe

[rambo753]

The zionist scumbags should understand that Russia is no more controlled by them

[aviomaster]

USA empire is crumbling down.

Croatia Serbia unemployment is raising by day , Croatia which is NATO member is already experiencing HUNGER believe it or not ,

People have nothing ,

[FreeeeS]

All these countries are pawns and the populace must be ashamed

[yarrn88]

Russians aren't that nationalistic, if we (Russians) were so nationalistic then present day Estonia, Latvia would not exist, Chechens would not exist as a people, and Ukraine and Kazakhstan would lose about half of their territories.

[vidgam]

Besides being a child molester this guy is very capable of starting world war 3. He has issues.

[Spetsnazovets]

Yup true. My misinformation. But thing is he killed Frants Ferdinand for Bosnians.

[tmaxyb]

Don't be fooled by any of them. They are all bad news. NATO, U.S, R.U. EU all want to pull you. EU want to give you Loans and Enslave you. NATO want you to be the next battle Ground. US and Russia want you for power games. Don't believe your leaders, don't believe the west, don't believe the East. They all lie, they don't care about you.

[gosciu555]

Thats not true. There are differences between Russia, China and the US and EU. Strangly enough, Russia and China are simply better, especially than the Anglo-american wall street forces.

[returnoftheramble]

@gosciu555 if they are better, then why can't they beat us? Because their heart is not in it, because the ruling are all connected to each other and couldn't care less about those of us unburnished folk; they use us because Hell is for children, and we have lots to learn. They aren't stupid bc they have awareness. Only direct profit and interactions of people matter. When you see the goal, you will know who is least important to you in numbers.

[tmaxyb]

How much do the Satellite states really want to join the west now? Seems more like a cup of poison. We only wanted you so we could sell you useless loans so we could sit back and watch the money role in while you lot ended up as debt slaves in your own countries. Don't joint NATO or EU Don't Join US or RU. It's all power games and they don't care a about you at all. They would prefer WW3 on your earth Just like they wanted Western Europe to be the battle ground during the cold war

[olegnaumenko]

it seems like poland fogget that wroclaw is breslay,gdansk is dancig.nort poland is prussia.who gave this for poland?

[lenda92]

Support to our brothers from Serbia we are with u all time brothers !

[Keys2Eden]

yeah lets support those serbs...to bad ..many people dont remember supporting the serbs brought on ww1....and helped send russia into a bloody civil war..and the rise of the ussr and death of 30 million russians during stalins reign..

[lenda92]

lol and can u tell me on english what u trying to say about serbs ?

[birthday42]

@Keys2Eden

No Austria-Hungary forced the war by trying to disband Serbia

It was going to happen even if the Black hand did nothing....

Russia's Tsar brought Russia into WW1

The war with Japan 1905 and shooting the populace at the gates was what started the revolution

[SHOOTER0072003]

love from india to russia

[merishane]

the end is near 10-10-09 ? take out the 0's and write it backwards it's 911 ? FASLE FLAG WILL BE THROWN AGAIN REAL SOON !!!! THREE QUARTER'S OF THE WORLD HATE'S THE UNITED STATES,DON'T FORGET THIS !!!!! CSC/09

[Keys2Eden]

im sure the romans, felt the same way the brits the mongols..and the macedonians... as do all great cultures..its a shame that we are targeted after we save the world twice from despots and fools..nothing but pure jealousy..from broke down former world players...pathetic,,,go ahead hate,,,we saw your great russian military lol in afghanistan....and..all that great weaponry u produced in the 1st and second gulf war..yawn u bore us...have another vodka...and start another pogram...hypocrites

[aleXandervolt]

are you kidding??? we saw your great american military lol in Vietnam and we see it now in afghanistan, in iraq ... and what do you mean saying 'we save the world twice'' <when????

[Spetsnazovets]

You referring to iraqi copies of russian tanks that had bugger all armor?

If USA failed in Iraq it would have been an EPIC FAIL. All NATO knows is how to attack a country whos military is in vastly inferior in both technology and weaponry.

You are 35 and I'd expect you to know some history. Gavrilo Princip was BOSNIAN, not serbian. Germans were financing Lenin to create revolution and get them to pull out, Stalin was Georgian, The country USA supported in killing civillians. Wanna try again?

[voron681]

@Keys2Eden wtf you mean USA saved world twice haw by doping nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or bombing Belgrade at fucking night when people was sleeping. Or when Americans was Droping napalm on villages in Vietnam Or supplying military equipment To cauntys like Georgia who is attacking City's at night . And i gases i don't have to tall you who created al quida and Taliban.

[Keys2Eden]

lol yes and im sure the poles and finns...and romanians,,and bulgarians and the ukranians and georgians..and chechens..and

hungarians..and turks and afghanis..and lithuainians and latvians and estonians..and jews and turks and slovaks all love mother russia..,.lol. nations that live in glass houses shouldnt be throwning stones

[Keys2Eden]

your tiny little country has caused more problems in the last century..than its worth...maybe u shouldnt be asking me...maybe the bosinians..or the croats..could help u out on that one...or maybe a few more..5oo lbs..courtesy of us naval aviation..would jog your proud little memory..lol

[voron681]

@Keys2Eden Russia cool with Bulgarians Ukrainians and Slovaks

[RogueInitiative]

Fuck nazi Nato, long live Rusia

[Popajaja]

DON'T FUCK WITH RUSSIA!

[TheComradeputin]

yea no doubt

[ichkeriec1]

@Popajaja fuck russia! fuck russian the nation of slaves the mongols and napoleon fucked u for 300 years! napoleon fucked u ion two weeks!!! the chechens fucked u in first war!!! and the second chechen war is not yet over so u russian pigs dont get happy yet!!

[RomeoSOF2]

@ichkeriec1 Go cry to your mom... fucking muslim idiot...

[VendPrekmurec]

@ichkeriec1 Chechens are another Afro Semitic Jewish tribe, which accepted islam... now terrorizing russian women and children "in the name of god" and in the name of "holy war" FUCK YOU ALL YOU PARASITIC PIECE OF SHIT.

and hello from europe to russia

[ichkeriec1]

@VendPrekmurec go and fuck urself u russian red dog!!

[VendPrekmurec]

@ichkeriec1 you will pay for what you have done, islamic shit

[Cnupoc]

@ichkeriec1 much love to you too McDonald..

[ichkeriec1]

@VendPrekmurec u dont know much of a history do u ? chechens are whiter than russians, we are geographically the first europian country, Chechnya!!! russia is asia, member that pig boy!!

[aviomaster]

hoktula ( --- Who is the bosss ,,, THERE is no bosss ,,, IF war breaks out ,., USA will losse it's population ,.,., and RUSSIAn cities are all equipped with underground bunkers ..

[9K58]

look at Yushenko's face in the beginning.

He is not afraid at all. He knows he will run away to US when serious shit starts.

[tosongok]

:D thats funny Yushenko is like an ass licker

[sharanprasanth]

i think America another Nazi Germany

[Klonsebia]

And I think so to.But now the fascism is called democracy.

[tosongok]

russia is paranoid or afraid ...

[kernowoggie]

Oh, and you think the USA would allow Russian weapons in Mexico? No bloody way! Russia is in the right here. Pity we didn't stand up to Hitler like they are standing up to Western agression!

[tosongok]

good point man

[LeftLiberalSoCal]

Putins outburst? That was an outburst? Sounds like a fair and rational reaction to me.

[durango64]

praise russia the bearrrrrrrrrrrr

[hoktula]

West is so engrossed into stereotypical cliches about Russia, that even some journalists who attempt to be more or less fair or perhaps better word realistic - even they often can't resist some jab into Russia's address.

the truth however is - that Russia has successfully resisted many invasions and conquests and managed to preserve it's national identity and one of main factors was exactly the nationalism. and naturally it emerges when Russia is pushed or cornered.

[hoktula]

the history of Russia was tough. many have tried to conquer it - even those who now so eagerly join the chorus of russia-bashers, as Baltic countries and some in E. Europe.

Poland and Lithuania were bitter enemies who's taken over the land which were once Kievan Rus, the cradle of Russia. Teutonic and Livonian Order had clear conquest agenda and tried to crush Republic of Novgorod. Livonia took part in many other wars with Russia. Poland has at one time even controlled Moscow.

[hoktula]

now all this is thoroughly forgotten. instead only russia is always presented as brutal invader. to such an extent that even Ukraine now tries to alienate itself from Russia, even though it has once been a Kievan Rus' and later again joined Russia on its own request for protection against Polish colonizers who tried forcibly to convert it into Papal Catholicism.

all these things are cleverly played by West, which as usually tries to strengthen its own influence in E. Europe.

[hoktula]

however, the new declassified documents reveal the selfish and cynical attitude of West regarding Hitler's aggressive expansion:

Munich secrets declassified

watch?v=4gH2raI-AiE

UK and France has made a deal with Hitler to sacrifice Czechs in order to appease him, to safeguard against his expansion to the West and instead direct it to the East - to SU.

now however the only thing Czechs remember is 1968. but 1938 or 1945 it seems are forgotten. and West fuels this enthusiastically.

[Burry6969]

May be you'll be able to find the docs with prove of how Hitler's Germany got the weapons they usd at WW2? Guess what, Russia supplied not only weapon but the technology! Even few weeks after June 22, 1941!!! The war started because of Russia!!! Stalin was gonna hit germany first, Hitler just got it erlier! Russia occupied the country when West "just" betrayed this country. However, it's kinda funny WHEN Russians declassified documents, don't u think?;)

[hoktula]

about documents - just go to WIki and read about Prescott Bush - you might find something interesting ! ;)

alright, enlighten me - provide YOUR sources to documents which prove your statements. why don't you?

about "when" - I don't see it as "funny" at all. I think that rather it is just in time - coz what's going on now in europe is similar to that time. and US often played both sides, as Iran-Contra. therefore Europe has to sober up and stop brown-nosing it. so, the time is right.

[godawica]

thank you, i have ben to brasil alrady :)

you really can`t campare this historical things

americans aren`t innocent and often supported the wrong side

but the crimes are on an absolute different scale, they did not fall in these countries and execute milions of victims, destroying town by twon, just in the ukriane they killed around 15 mil people in the 1920s

were did the us did something comparable?

[hoktula]

it's nice you mentioned Ukraine. coz as I recall Polish troops has been trying hard to annex it and carve a nice chunk for themselves. "white Czechs" were all over Siberia too. Hungarians and Ustashi-Croats fighting beside Nazies in Stalingrad bettle. many of Balts were on Nazis' side too.

BTW Bulgaria, Poland and Hungary were part of coalition which suppressed "Prague Spring" 1968 - have you forgot ? now only Russia is bashed.

[hoktula]

"were did the us did something comparable?"

Ok, let's see... how about 600'000 civilians dead in Iraq? or over a million in Vietnam? or other parts of Indochina? (bombing Laos, Cambodia) how about deporting Soviet POWs back to Stalin after WWII ? or perhaps Hiroshima & Nagasaki ? or may be assisting Saddam slaughtering Kurds and Iranians? or helping Pakistan to conduct genocide in Bangladesh ? or supporting Israel in their actions against palestinians?

[hoktula]

... not to mention - thorough methodical extermination of native american indians for few centuries.

you've been in Brasil, huh? well, you should go to Guatemala or Nicaragua and ask ppl there. or may be to Chile. or Argentina...

[godawica]

polish nazi :D:D:D

something completely new!

lool

stop your kgb propaganda, take a walk at all the cities of eatern europe

in each you`ll find memorials and cemetraies full of innocents killed by the red army of rapists and warcriminals

[NicolazDamian]

Then I will invite you to take a tour of Latin America in there you will find thousands of graves made by USA and it's USA back up murderus dictatorships and mercenary men!

[Burry6969]

There is no way you can explain the things to Russians! They know one thing and one thing only - Russia is the best, Putin - is the best, USA - fascism country! The KGB took over the power in Russia so the first thing they do - propaganda! And Russians are stupid enough to follow! They were tol - USA sucks, so they believe in it. They don't wanna see and understand anything! They want to FIGHT!!!

[hoktula]

have you tried to explain at all ? ;)

otherwise you are simply employing lesser tactics as "false premise". you already make premise based on the final negative conclusion !

people like Scott Ritter, or Max Keiser or Ron Paul - why, they DO have very good way to explain things to Russians. and there are many others too.

and "USA - fascism country" is said by ppl like Aaron Russo, who is american, not russian KGB. and many others, like Ritter say the same: "fascists condemn pacifists"

[hoktula]

there is no need for propaganda. it is enough to search youtube for facts.

"KGB took over" ? well, leat's talk about papa-Bush, former DIRECTOR of CIA, being US president and waging war on Panama. and miraculously his son become president twice coz of rigged elections ! ;) oops...

yeah, US feels it can rebuke others and teach them life. but NEVER likes to hear any criticism in its own address. sure - it's a lot easier "externalize" the enemy and causes of problems ! LOL

[hoktula]

"They know one thing and one thing only - Russia is the best, Putin - is the best, USA - fascism country! "

this is VERY much fallacies-loaded sentence ! you make 2 premises which are false, and connect to last one. in such a way trying to present them as connected and therefore all of them false.

however they are not related. and also WHO said Russia is the best or Putin is bets? Russia is aware of its problems. it only wants to be treated fairly, not from position of big boss !

[hoktula]

"They want to FIGHT!!! " - that's TOTAL CRAP !

look who is talking - a country who has 730 military bases all over the world and the ONLY "world's gendarme" ! who has biggest military budget and attacks other countries against its own Constitution and international laws; keeps killing CIVILIANS under the name of 'liberating' them;

holds its own ppl a hostage to draconian laws as Patriot Act and Homelands security;

who shoots in the head 5000 vitcims of Kathrina...

[hoktula]

... list can go on and on. no small part of it - total brainwashing by MSM.

so, perhaps these all things are also "KGB propaganda" ? ;) this is stupid stereotyped paranoia and fear mongering which held americans in steel hold ever since WWII. u have to realize that u r part of the wolrd, not the TOP of it! so better learn to be fair and honest member of COMMUNITY of nations !

THAT is what Russia suggests last time I checked. yet somehow US doesn't like it. WHY ?

[hoktula]

tell me, Burry6969

have Russia ever fought US, particularly on its soil?

US however did fought russia on its soil in 1918 - "expedition polar bear".

so, why americans are always so prejudiced and paranoid against russia, have you ever wondered? in fact US has ASKED Russia (SU) to help and declare war on Japan in 1945 and they were allies. but then US taken another course and nuked Japan to show Russia who is the boss. and it has been trying to do it ever since.

[degen83]

The eastward expansion of NATO in direct violation of agreements between the US and the Soviet Union/Russia, in addition to their new military bases surrounding Russia, and given the US and NATO's support of Georgia's agressive actions against South Ossetia, and the US's pushing for a missile shield in Europe against Iran's non existent threatening missiles against Europe speaks well of who the agresor is between the US and Russia. The US has provoked Russia many times. Maybe one time too many?

[hoktula]

precisely

George Carlin - We Like War

watch?v=UaS2bRGS86c

[voron681]

@godawica polish nazi hahaha that is new for real

[Margariti]

Russian bear! Hahaha! If you go to Russia outside Moscow and Snt. Petersburg, you see what kind of "bear" Russia really is! C´mon, they don´t have a chance against USA and Europe!

[gamato08]

usa will not win a war with Russia you dont now wat Power Russia has Power in things most humans dont now!

Russia its timme to give the Ortodox Christians wat GOD WANTS.

Love to Ortodox Russia!!!

Hellenic Spartan.

[godawica]

Red army is a army of rapists and mass-murderers and has a long criminal record, killing over 100 mil. civilians in:

-Crimea1783 -Poland1795

-Armenia1920-Poland1939

-Lithuania,Latvia,Estonia19 40

-Finland1940 -Hungary1956 -Czechoslovakia1968 -Afghanistan1979-1989

-Georgia1919 -Chechnya1994-00

-Georgia2008

Fascist Putin : "Soviet Union's collapse was the biggest geopolitical catastrophe of the century"

Putin will soon end in a cage in Den Haag and will be punished for his war crimes!

[fatherfrost111]

You are clearly a Polish nazi. Half of the things you've listen are absurd to call wars, where russians raped and killed the innocent. You are very sad and i would ask you to never have children. Thank you very much

[elephantinpajamas]

great vid

[Raechowchow]

I think the real danger to this country lies from within. The slumping economy, housing market downturn, 60 mil Americans cannot afford health insurance, highest unemployment since the 80s, people loosing their homes at the highest rate ever. And US government tries to put its missiles right next to Russia trying to intersept missiles from IRAN??!!! I have no f+++g words. After all those screw ups they didnt learn a thing..May be its a time for a revolution because I dont think they get it

[robotactionstar]

"60 mil Americans cannot afford health insurance"

What? That is a ridiculous and grossly inaccurate statement. At most, its around 40 million, which includes people who are eligible for some type of government services, and people who choose to simply not have healthcare(men between the ages 20-34), often choose to not have healthcare. I know, because I have occasionally elected that, which makes me part of that statistic.

[robotactionstar]

"highest unemployment since the 80s, people loosing their homes at the highest rate ever."

5.2% unemployment, is a an unenployment rate that only an American can view as bad. 4% is statistical full employment. Quit acting like thats some horrible number.

95% of American home owners are meeting their mortgage obligations. And odds favor, those that aren't capable of meeting their mortgage, shouldn't have gotten approval in the first place. When you get 100% financing, you are a renter.

[Raechowchow]

strizhi You got it. I cannot shake a strange feeling that the US foreign policy doest NOT serve the interests of this country anymore. Utterly stupid and irresponsible move on the part of White House. If they really piss off Russia on this matter like they did many times in the past they are going to respond with sending more subs over to US seaboards how they've done in the Cold War or come up with something else. I know cause I served in the USSR Navy. So who is going to win over? No one

[SrbLordMija]

Tо Путине Легендо!!!

[strizhi]

I'm not always in agreement with "Real News" but this one struck to the heart. The truth is when the Soviets put missiles in Cuba it was because the US outnumbered the Reds in nuclear bombs, so there was a sense of fear and it took JFK to knock some sense into Kruschev to get it out. The Russian's listened and cooperated, why the hell don't we...I mean really what are we trying to prove. If we were Rome then we're burning it now. Its time to open our eyes and let diplomacy resume its course.

[Giotiner]

Only answer of Russia must be war,to the radar system what Nato want´s to build in Poland and Czech Republik!

The US cowboys must se that an Cossack

is much stronger as the cow riders!!!

Only for respect!!!

[Giotiner]

If I were Serbian president!

1.I would buy new Russian weapon

2.Let Russians build military bases in Serbia

3.I would give USA and albos an ultimatum of 24 hours,before they get cleand of the map!

American wouldn´t risk to awoke the Giant!!!

[YouNoop]

thats why ur not president :D

[compusci]

What do you think IF Russia came to agreement with Cuba on deploying nuclear missiles, would that be acceptable from the US & the US citizens? well i doubt that. How then you expect from others to agree on something you would never?

[Stan1208]

Russia tried it in 62 and it didn't work.

[compusci]

1st not Russia tried in '62 but the USSR, huge difference.

2nd. How come it didnt work, when the missiles were unloaded in Cuba & no one knew anything? they discovered it after deployment has started & if you remeber well, it was a mutual backing to avoid a nuclear war.

3rd How can you stop Russia now to deploy missiles? you doing the same at her neighborhood why they shouldn't do the same at yours?

4th it's all abt patronizing my friend.

i'm not a warmonger but what the US is doing is wrong.

[fkedupnews]

blah blah Russians are not nationalists

there are over 150 nationalities live in Russia for hundreds of year.

[rujanen]

You are so fuckin ignorant, You are the proof that the U.S. education system is in the shiter and you are the reason why the world hates us Americans

[fkedupnews]

I don't hate Americans.

Russian empire "assimilated" all nationalities that live on its territory and made them equal in all rights in course of 1000+years. Russians didn't exterminate any nationalities or moved to reservations. You want to find nazis go to Estonia

You can't be nationalist to person of different nationally because his people lived in Russian empire since history remembers it settlement.

[fkedupnews]

I don't hate Americans.

Russian empire "assimilated" all nationalities that live on its territory and made them equal in all rights in course of 1000+years. Russians didn't exterminate any nationalities or moved to reservations. You want to find nazis go to Estonia

You can't be nationalist to person of different nationally because his people lived in Russian empire since history remembers it settlement

[adrastea99]

I agree with you.

Not just Russian empire, because the Russian empire you are talking about is a large part of the Byzantine empire.

Many many nationalities lived in Russia and continue to live in Russia with no objections.

[utrpenilidstva]

there will be 3 world war, thats for sure....i dislike USA more and more....

[adrastea99]

i have a favorite on my channel that makes fun of the US ignorance of the outside world.

its funny.

[AndyNamel]

This man speaks the truth!

[resevilMGS]

it's all fall of Ukrain because they want gas for free!

[titokenshamrock]

ukraine and russian as well as china and black people should join up with all the muslim and take out these white american devil

[rodina988]

Better yet, all whites need to united against Jews who control Western countries. Jews need to erased as do all muslims on the planet.

[l8rthen]

titokenshamrock , you do not seem able to open your mouth without spouting off with racist anti-white comments. The subject doesn't matter or on what video you post to, anything you feel that is a problem, it is the fault of the white americans and they are devils. Give up the racist 'I am a victim' card and grow up.

[eppurs1muove]

I mean like saying, without any reasoning, stuff like "what is apparent from your comment, is your prejudice to Russia". Or that my satements have little meaning "AS" they are based on personal grudges and misinterpretation of history" English is not my 1st language,but I think the use of the connector "as" has the rhetorical implication "it's established, and does not need any reasoning". There i respectfully disagree.

[eppurs1muove]

well - that was continuatio to my original reply, which does not seem to go throgh.

[eppurs1muove]

(I am trying to post here since my repi´löise to OrangeSpamnever got through):

So it might not have been just bad wording, but bad perhaps some pejudiced reading from your side too -- or ok, let's say I am totally to blame for the whole misundestanding (because you are obviuously a person who never makes errors or hasty judgements -- it does not really matter to me (and why do you we then have "nothing to discuss"?)

[zmiy73]

A one vary objective oppinion.

[redheaven95]

putin and bush and their wifes and children deserve CANCER AIDS TEROR and AUSCHWITZ!WHAT?WHATS WRONG?if theyself allow pedophil fascists to say it why not everybody?fair is fair!

NO matter what degree inocent people get terorised by pedophil fascists NO human rights not alowed to speak not alowed to eat if the victims expect any single russian or american to liberate them they laugh the victims out although both get disgraced by pedophil fascists themself how EMBARASING ROFL!

[LAPEBT]

YOUR FUCKEN ASSHOLE AND ILLITERATE MARON,I can see that you have no clue what the fuck your tolcking about.your not a rusian,maybe you dont even know what the fuck are you

fuck you again.

LJUBOMIR MAKEDONIJA

[ntrgc89]

Mr. Margolis' knowledge of Russia is clearly very solid, he presents a view I've never seen before in the western media and it's refreshing to see it. I would, however, disagree that with him on the charge that Putin will be pulling all the strings. I feel as though Medvedev might be given considerably more independence than many expect, but I acknowledge that Mr. Margolis may indeed be correct.

[simply2ghetto]

Putin should have been in eastern promises

[PortugalPortugal7507]

wow i didnt know that about xyaoping or whats his name....

thank you for yet another great video :DDD

[PortugalPortugal7507]

yes its just bush. and the republicans in general. we democrats are soooooooooooooooooo much more perceptive of our real interests.....

republicans will doom the country one of these days

[eppurs1muove]

Ok - we don't then. Replying seems technically impossible on this site at the moment.

[eppurs1muove]

Since it seems that it's technically impossible on ´this site to reply to Mr OrangeSpam, I will have to do it here. So here you go:

[1d10cy]

Could this just be that the crazies are in control of America, the guys wanting to control the world, even challenging Russia. Or could this be brought on by the financial benefits to certain lobbyist groups if there were another cold war, and arms race. Or a mix of both, I think.

''We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when...''

[btn1980]

Russia makes world be balance.

[AlraGalathor]

You learn how talk English. Your intended statement makes for total rubbish anyway.

[freedomwv]

Making Russia angry is not a good idea. The Russians are current sleeping dragon of the world right now.That dragon is starting to wake up.

[PR0PHET0FTRUTH]

The fact is, the United States (more specifically, the Neo Conservative Regime) plans to dominate all of the oil wells in the world. All of the militaristic maneuvers you have seen in the past 15 years are part of the movement to slowly monopolize the world's resources.

This movement is not NATO's fault. Instead, point the fingers at the American Government. They are the head of corruption. The American Military (unfortunately is simply a puppet.

[vorkutinka]

Finally I saw a truthfull report on this issue. Generally western media just tries to show Russians as agressive and dangerous, but nobody said what caused this reaction. Thank you 'The Real News'

[capemall]

you can thank clinton and cnn for the situation...cnn for putting out only side of the atrocities night after night on the news and clinton for wanting to be known for blowing something up instead of being blown

[capemall]

the democrats? think it was the democrats that decided playing with matches on the powderkeg of europe was a good idea to begin with

[cayhens]

McWar would 'cause a problem with Russia. There is no reason to provoke.

[terraceterra]

NATO can not be trusted. Bush is a liar and a world wide terrorist. The US people have not been able to control him. The us is no longer a Democracy and has been taken over by a shadow government and has been for years and year with out detection by most. The world is in serious trouble. We must wake up and stop Bush family and all those who support them.

[internationallawman]

I can't believe the Democrats didn't impeach these psychos. I hope the world can survive until 2009.

[westphalianprinz]

After the Cold War, the US decided to do to Moscow what Rome did to Carthage-- destroy the whole infrastructure of the country. The Romans used salt to render it unable to rebuild; the US used quisling politicians (like Yeltsin) and the World Bank and IMF to do the same. Putin may be a very rough and crude politician, but he was created because of the US's punitive measures and policy towards Russia after fall of communism.

[PersonalJesus348]

yeah we create monsters.

[westphalianprinz]

How do you think the Cold War got started?

Almost exactly like this.

[eppurs1muove]

Yep,and it also reminds of George Kennan's warnings back then - he warned of waking up the Russian paranoia - and Kennan was not exactly someone who was weak on Russia. And myself, I have been very critical of Russia and have understood the wish of the border states to look for security from Nato, and been saying Russia traditionally only understands the language of force - but this is something that is obviously going too far, and I can understand the Russian anger this time.

[OrangeSpam]

Eventhough I find your statement more or less acceptable, it is this kind of attitude that is responsible for the bringing about of paranoia in Russia. Statements like "Russia traditionally only understands the language of force" have very little meaning as they are based on personal grudges and misinterpretation of history. It is people like you that are to blame for the current situation.

[eppurs1muove]

My "hawkish" comment goes against my very nature in personal relationships -- and also in international relationships I believe what a country needs is friends&allies, not enemies -- that's actually good strategy, a lot cheaper than military buildup.(e.g J.Carter's "weak" policy was strategic wisdom in the long run) so I think you misunderstood my motifs. But of course, if some country itself has a "hawkish" view on foreign reations,it woud be a mistake to not understand their way of thinking)

[OrangeSpam]

Oh I agree with you, but please name me a country that has alot of friends&allies and at the same time does not have a strong military.

[eppurs1muove]

As you see, I already mentioned one country, and was trying my best to not single out Russia as the source of all evil - I mentioned that for example for the USA, it would be wiser to win sympathy and friends around the world (like J Carter did - and like the Marshall Plan) than to create hostility - something that worried me when the Iraq war started - and something Kennan warned the US to do - to not provoke the Russian paranoia with too hawkish a tactics,but one must not be too naive either.

[eppurs1muove]

I can't nuanciate my statements very well in this space, but I do think the border states the Russians have been bullying are entitled to the stability and democracy that EU brought them, but i find statements the missiles in Eastern Europe are aimed at Iran or NKorea totally ludicrous - they don't bring stability and this time I think Putin's anger is justified.

[OrangeSpam]

What border states are you referring to? The Baltic States? What is bullying? Are you British? The British are taught in school that Russia is nothing but a big bully, without any explanation or examples, so it is all too typical to hear this "bullying" from a British person.

[eppurs1muove]

"Russia traditionally only understands the language of force" was of course a sweeping generalization, but nations that had to deal with Russia on a daily basis, and without the shelter of the NATO umbrella, have learned the hard way that Russia has most often paid good deeds with ingratitude - examples are hundreds. And I was never taught anti-Russian myself in any way, so no grudges (my family background is, in American terms, "liberal") but I don't know what your certainty is based on.

[OrangeSpam]

Do you honestly believe that Russia is in any way different to any other country when it comes to foreign relations? Are you telling me that no other country but Russia "most often paid good deeds with ingratitude"? Do you think I will not be able to come up with hundreds of examples of similar behaviour of any other country? C'mon! You might think you know alot about Russia, but what about the rest of the world? One can only judge in comparison.

[eppurs1muove]

"One can only judge by comparison" - I agree with you totally there. The same criteria we apply to others, must be applied to ourselves too - there are erxtremely few (actually not a single) country which has not dirt in its hands in its past or present. I have the connstant feeling you are seeing thoughts in my head I am personally trying to avoid. As Norman Davies said in his latest book, "like must be compared with like" - but also that "two (or three) wrongs do not make one right"

[eppurs1muove]

So I don't accept the argument that something is acceptable because the "others do so too". In democratic countries such a reasoning would be a mockerty of our own values. Thewrefore if we don't apply even higher criteria to our own leaders and bad deeds, we don't deserve our democracy. So my criticism of Russia was not meantb to be hypocrisy. "Like must be compred with like", but because two wrongs don't make one right, it's our obligation to condemn both, & of course start from our own crimes.

[OrangeSpam]

This was not apparent from your original comment. What was apparent is your prejudice against Russia. If in reality you are not prejudiced and it was all due to bad wording we have nothing to discuss. My point was that during the years of Yeltsin, when Russia was open to everything Western, people with such crazy ideas like "Russia only understands the language of force" messed it all up and created the situation that we have today. Instead of trying to help Russia they almost destroyed it.

[leotard9696]

One thing. The NATO shouldn't even exist and yet they go in and out of countries that have nothing to do with them as if the whole world were theirs. Protecting the world against big bad Russia? I'd say it's just trying to justify its existance by doing its one and only job-HEGEMONY. What else would you call the recent events?