I just can't get through to you can I. Changing a womans behaviour will not stop men from raping! I am sick of telling you this! It seems like you expect women to be as pure driven snow. You think that if a promiscuous, and seductive woman gets raped it's partly her fault! If that was the case then women who don't sleep around, and aren't seductive, wouldn't get raped, but you see, they do! It doesn't matter if a woman walks around naked. It is not an invite for a men use them as they please!
@vonbeano LMAO! Changing a woman's behavior wont stop rape, but it sure can lower the statistic of rape. Besides, changing male behavior is implausible as we subject rapist to prison. If they do have the opportunity to change, than it is costly; money that this country does not have. So in end, we both don't have any solution; and yes, I do believe that a seductive women is partly at fault if she gets rape. i will clearly state that because why tempt the shark?
@tTNIGGZz I am not going to waste my time on your babble. You still haven't got a clue on any on these issues. I can't even believe you think that changing a womans behaviour will lower the statistics of rape. It won't, and that is a fact! I'm sick and tired of trying to explain to you that your way of thinking is totally unacceptable, and that this way of thinking perpetuates rape.
@tTNIGGZz I would just like to point out that 9 out of 10 rapes don't lead to conviction. So saying that 'changing male behaviour is implausable as we subject rapists to prison' just shows again that you have very little knowledge about this subject. We need to look at preventing rape, and we have to start by focusing totally on the rapist (not the victim). I have already repeatedly mentioned in previous comments how to tackle this problem so I am not repeating myself again.
@vonbeano But no sir,since rape is inevitable anywhere, women who are not promiscuous will not be safe, but are less likely to get raped and since they don't involve themselves into a harsh situation than one can clearly call those victims, if not then sidewise. I don't understand how a "psychologist" does not understand this simple fact. And if a female walks around naked, to a male, can be perceived as an invite. May that perception be completely wrong?
@tTNIGGZz So if a woman walks around naked in front of a man it's an invitation to rape? And don't try saying I'm putting words in your mouth coz that is what that statement is saying. When women sunbathe topless on the beach is that an invitation for sex? When a woman is dancing naked in a lapdancing club is that an invitation for sex? And believing that women who are not promiscuous are less likely to get raped again shows your lack of education, coz that is complete rubbish! PMSL
@vonbeano Yes; but that women misusing her freedom in confusing others perception qualifies her to be at fault. And i cannot see how me stating that "rape is not ok" contradicts that women are partly at fault. If it contradicts, than you are stating ALL rapist believe that women are partly at fault and since this is not true, than this does not contradict. And wow!!!! Completely misusing my words to the fullest! Quoting my "partly" to suggest that i reassure rape,
@tTNIGGZz "women misusing her freedom in confusing others perception qualifies her to be at fault."!? What the fuck are you on! What signals could that girl have been giving those guys that raped her to make them think she wanted to have sex with them? Coz she lied to her parents? Coz she was having drinks with those guys? They forced themselves on her. It's not hard to tell when a woman doesn't want sex. They will cry, scream, say stop, say no etc and that confuses a guys perception!
@tTNIGGZz If your having consensual sex with a girl, and you start to perform a sex act that she doesn't like, then any normal man would stop. It's a turn off to do something sexually to a girl when she doesn't like it. What turns a man on during sex is knowing that the girl he is having sex with is aroused and enjoying what he is doing to her. A man knows when a woman doesn't want sex. It's very easy to determine that, so there is no way a girl can confuse his perception!
Please lets get this story straight.... She wanted to have a good night and drink, thus contacting that guy. Rules forced everyone to contact their parents in front of their officers which she lied -her father acknowledged that she didn't call. Her own actions led her into this and let's put thigns straight, those kids do need to be condemned into the grimiest part of the world, but if she was really a "churchgoer" she would have never been in that situation.
@tTNIGGZz Coz she 'wanted to have a good night and drink' that means she deserved to get raped does it? How twisted is your attitude. We all 'want to have a good night and drink'; men, and women. She is a child for god sake! All kids lie, and get drunk, but that doesn't justify rape! God forbid any female that wants to have a good time, a drink, and tell a lie! Coz if she does then she will be held responsible for men that can't control their perverted, sick and twisted, sadistic sexual urges!
@vonbeano Being a child does not justify her to be able to drink with older men and lie, its against the law. That is that, so it not only is the men's fault but her own, that is what I am trying to say, and something you don't comprehend. Let's not say it wasn't her fault when she should have been taking care of herself. SoGTFO!
@tTNIGGZz There are too many people like you that put the spotlight on a womans behaviour when she gets raped, and don't even acknowledge the behaviour of the rapists. This attitude stinks. What about men that get raped? Last year there was a serial rapist raping men after a night out in the next town from me. The victims were out 'having a good night', and had been drinking! No one condemned their behaviour, but when its a woman it's her fault she got raped. Makes me sick this double standards
@vonbeano The difference is, that this was a young girl who wasn't in age of drinking. Bringing men who get raped is irrelevant and of course I will put the spotlight on a women if it creates the outcome that is sure to come. Why would you just ignore that? It's people that you that are ignorant and don't relate all the factors to the outcome. She should not have been drinking, she should not have been with them, she should not have been raped. Promiscuous women are promiscuous. So GTF
@tTNIGGZz All kids drink under age! It's a part of growing up! Your views are really fucked up. She was brutally raped and beaten, and you put half the blame on her! So what if she lied, and got drunk with older men. It doesn't give them the right to rape her. So she is promiscuous coz some twisted scumbags forced themselves on her? Do you realise that your attitude towards women is the same as a rapists? I think you'd better stay well clear of women, coz you're going to end up behind bars
@vonbeano OMFG your soo retarded!! I'm trying to say that when someone does stupid sht like drink underage, one has to know that they are putting themselves at risk!! That risk they take could be there last, and i know because i already have been behind bars, and its not because I blame other people but myself as well. So stfu and understand that if you involve yourself into something bad, its because you took the risk! She took the risk, which unfortunately led to something cruel.
@tTNIGGZz So I take it you have never told lies, never got drunk under age, and never hung about with people older than you? Pure as driven snow aren't you! So what about women that don't drink, never tell lies, and hang about with older people and still get raped? What are your views on them? What are your views on baby rape, or rape of elderly women? The point i'm making here is rape has fuck all to do with female behaviour! Females get raped coz of a sexually subhuman mans behaviour
@vonbeano Like i said before, she took the risk, and something bad happened. When babies, elderly women or other innocent men/people get raped, its not because they took a risk like this young lady did. Besides, it's not always men who always rape, as women can too. And to be honest, i do drink underage and i do know the risk that i take, but i can take care of myself and know when the risk is not worth it. And if you wanna get rid of subhuman man behavoir, go to Islamic Land
@tTNIGGZz So what do you expect women to do then? Lock themselves in their own homes, and never venture into the outside world, or interact with men? Life is for living. Life is about taking risks and taking chances,. Otherwise we would never go anywhere in life, but sexually sadistic perverted men take advantage of women in these situations. It's the responsibility of these sickening perverts to learn to control their twisted sexual behaviour; not women that should give up their freedom.
@tTNIGGZz 98% of rapes are carried out by men. I know coz I have a degree in Criminal Psychology, and Forensic Psychology. So I'm not going to have some ignorant tosser, with zero intelligence try to educate me on rape! You keep talking about taking risks - a woman is at risk of getting raped everyday of her life. Just walking down the street she is at risk. You have very warped views on rape, and its sickening. I can tell your not very well educated. It really stands out. Get back behind bars
@tTNIGGZz So this girl took a risk by drinking, and coz of that she is half to blame? But yet these men that got raped in my vicinity not long ago had also been drinking when they got attacked. They were walking home alone after a night out. So how is it that this girl is to blame for her rape, and these men aren't to blame for their rape? Come on lets hear what clever answer you got for that. I can already see that brain cell bouncing inside your skull like a rubber ball, as you're thinking
@vonbeano Again, I will stress the fact that this girl in thsi situation took a risk, and the hypothetical women your suggesting did not take any risk thus is not at fault. The young women here is at fault as well because she decided to take the risk. I'm tired of explaining this to you and ill let Eliot do it for me so watch this sht fag: /watch?v=onDr0LU9LnM&feature=g-all-u&context=G2050defFAAAAAAAAAAA.
@tTNIGGZz "the easiest to protect yourself is not putting yourself in a situation where you can harm yourself" easily stated. And though i Do not hold a degree like you, which I congratulate, I am currently enrolled in UC Davis. Come at me with your weak ass school bro. But again, this situation made it for the young girl to be at fault, all other situation you put involve an individual not taking a risk thus not at fault!!!! Therefore, since this girl did take the risk, she is at faul
@tTNIGGZz Can't be any easier stated, and if you can't understand, that it is because of your ignorance and how you do not factor all the pieces of the situation together. Good luck being a Forensic Psychologist without properly involving all factors dumbass.
@tTNIGGZz You know part of me hopes that one day (when you are in that 'know the risk I take' situation), that a gang of vicious rapists pin you down, beat you to a pulp, and rip your arse to shreds. Coz it's only with having that same level of violence inflicted on people like you, that would get you to realise how warped your attitude is, and how quickly it would change. Think you can look after youself do you! When faced with a gang of vicious rapists you got no chance!
@vonbeano Read below... its called taking a risk. For example, if you gambler and loose all your money, its partly your fault; you took the risk. You seem the type of person that blames everyone else. if i did fall into that situation, i'll be at my own fault for being around gangsters in the first place, especially shady homosexuals. If you like that, its ok i dont jugde but WHEN it does happen to you, I hope you don't just blame others or else its gonna keep hapening.
@tTNIGGZz The only factor here is that a group of sexual sadists raped a 15 year old girl, and beat her. It doesn't matter what situation she put herself in; it doesn't come into it. She didn't know that a gang of sickos were going to rape and beat her. They are totally to blame; not her! No one female or male wants to be raped. They had no right raping her just coz she was drinking with them! There are no other factors to think about you numb fucker!
@vonbeano "It doesnt matter what situation she put herself in," Sir are you completely retarded?!? It completely matters! Let me walk into the african dessert and get eaten by a lion, of shit its the lions fault? No its mine retard. So you say a factor is that those group of rapist raped a 15; yes, another is that she decided to be with them! it all could have been avoided otherwise and so its partly her fault and who the hell does not know that gang members...
@tTNIGGZz So how the hell is a woman supposed to know if she is putting herself at risk from being raped? A rapist can strike anywhere, anytime, and in any situation he chooses to rape. They chose to rape that girl in that situation. If it wasn't her it would have been someone else. It doesn't matter what risk a woman takes or what situation she puts herself in. No woman wants to be raped, and if men learned to control their sexual urges then rape wouldn't happen!
@vonbeano Hanging out with Gang memebrs who obviously do astroucous things..... is taking a big ass risk, something she should have known. This rape could have been avoided; yet, your bring other situations that do not hold the same criteria. Because innocent women who do get rape by just walkingi n the street do not take risks like hanging out with gang members like this girl did.
@vonbeano I'm starting to see your loose arguement, that if those guys tammed thier sexual urges than this wouldnt happen, but if she didnt take the risk the same outcome would occur. Yet, what is easier to mannufacture, to tame every guys sexual urges, or to know which risk to take; and if your loos head does not know, its easier to know what risks to take.
@tTNIGGZz Are you understanding me? I'll print in block capitals to try get through to that one brain cell bouncing around in that empty skull: MEN NEED TO LEARN TO CONTROL THEIR SICK AND TWISTED SEXUAL URGES. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT FORCING SEX ON WOMEN IN ANY SITUATION A WOMAN PUTS HERSELF IN. RAPE WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF MEN CONTROLLED THEMSELVES; THEREFORE IT'S THE RAPIST WHO IS TO BLAME, NOT THE VICTIM! A WOMAN SHOULD BE FREE TO DO WHAT THE HELL SHE WANTS AND ISN'T ASKING FOR RAPE IN ANY SITUATION!
@vonbeano Your fucken talking in general fucktar, I'm talking about this direct situation, yes your statement is true, but within this concept, if she followed what anyones councous would...
@vonbeano tell the person is that do not hang out with obviously shady looking gangters that have potential to do horrible things, than this could have been avvoided. Come back to the
@tTNIGGZz The only ignorant tosser here, with no understanding, is you. Potentially you are a rapist. Why were you in prison? If it isn't for rape i'd be very surprised. Your attitude towards women, and rape is so disrespectful and subhuman that If you haven't raped already then it's inevitable you will in your life time. I'm not going to continue arguing with a potential rapist who has the attitude of a sewer, and comparing rape to gambling just shows what a warped view you have on violence
@vonbeano From this i got that your accusing me of raping and being disrespectfual and that YOU LOST THIS ARGUEMENT! And if you want to know, its called code 245, assault with deadly weapon
@tTNIGGZz Stopping women from taking risks and living their lives isn't going to eliminate rape. Not all men rape, and that's coz they got self control. A man is responsible for his own self control; a woman is not responsible for a mans self control. If I can control myself, then any man can. i don't know how you can suggest that it's better for a woman to avoid getting raped than it is for a man to avoid raping. You are taking the responsibility away from a man, and justifying rape.
@vonbeano Wtf,i never said a men wasn't responsible for raping, I said that this young girl is responsible as well as the guys because she chose to be with them. You keep switching my words throughout this arguement, please be literate. I'm not going to argue with you of what is the best way to stop rape, but i will continue to say that this girl was also at fault. And I'm not saying that a women should completely stop taking risks...
@vonbeano But they should stop taking risks which may pertain to their greater health such as this situation in RIchmond High. And just because you can control yourself does not mean everyone else can, because deep phycological problems that cause sexual addiction begin and others start with deep childhood trauma. Sir you seem fine without this trauma, but not everyone is like you, smart educated and moral
@tTNIGGZz Men know it's morally wrong to rape women whether they are gang members, or members of a flower arranging club. Just coz they are in a gang it still doesn't justify what they did. She is a 15 year old girl, and kids that age think it's cool to hang around with gangs, coz they are exposed to music videos, and tv programmes that make it look cool to be in a gang, at that age kids are easily influenced. They are still growing and learning, and at that age it's easy to mould a kids brain,
@vonbeano Did i, in any way say, "Since they are gang members, they are justified?" Sir, you are living in complete fallacy and please, i do not wanna argue with you that games, music and tv programs promote and influence children into gangs, because look at me. I lived in RIchmond all my life and I am not in one, and though i meet the statistic of going to jail, i'm attending college. Its those games and programs/ music videos that made me realize how horrible that sht is so pls...
@tTNIGGZz I don't know why you keep comparing this rape to irrelevant bollocks like an African desert, and gambling! It's a totally different kettle of fish. You might as well say that all men are dangerous and could potentially rape you so stay well clear of them. They don't walk around with rapist tattooed on their foreheads. "Oh I'll avoid him coz he's a rapist.It says on his forehead." The last thing that child was expecting was to get brutally raped and beaten. It's not what she wanted
@vonbeano So your saying, the last thing this young girl would expect from GANG MEMBERS is to be raped?!? Dude, how can you lastly expect that when well.... there god damn GANG MEMBERS! It is completely written throughout their forehead!!! If you did not catch that, than you compeltely ignored your concious like in this RIchmond High case, or your just completely ignorant of what gang members do (your case). And comparing life to other menial situations is the best way for you to gasp
@tTNIGGZz Now, let me educate you a bit more on rape, coz you clearly have no understanding of it. Rape is rape. It doesn't matter what the scenario is, or how a woman behaves, or who she drinks with or hangs around with. It is all the same.It's about men who are so sick and twisted that they refuse to control their sexual urges. It's that what needs to change! Women are not born into society for men to use and abuse whenever they feel. So me comparing other rape scenarios to this is relevant
@vonbeano Let me give you a real personal example of why introducing other senarios is completely unrelated and why you should include all the factors in a situation. During my high school years, i got into an altercasion with an inoxicated man, him being 3 times as strong as him ended with me stabbing the guy. I did not start the altercasion nor did i wish to extend it but in the end, it was called SELF-DEFENCE. This does not make me a complete fugative as i was out in 11 days from
@vonbeano would be 7 years! So no, I am not included in the catagory in where I'm completely insane for stabbing someone, since it was self defence. Therefore situations like this that happened in Richmond High can completely be irrelevant to other rapes just like how my case is completely irrelevant to other stabbings. Sir, living in Richmond made me view life in a completely different way, I suggest you should as well and first handly, experience the real cruel ways of the world.
@tTNIGGZz You have to understand why I am saying you possess complete lack of respect for women, and why I accuse you of being a potential rapist, and it's coz you have the same attitude towards women, and rape as a rapist. With this attitude of blaming 'women who take risks' it would be very easy for you to cross the line and rape if you are ever interacting with 'women who take risks' given the right opportunity for you to rape a woman in unpremeditated circumstances - an impulse rape.
@vonbeano This is a great example of why I'm starting to like to argue with you because you are attacking me personal by calling me a rapist and completely ignoring the argument. What your trying to do is catagorize me as a rapist so my arguement can lose credebility but what comes to an end is that I am not a rapist nor do i see myself in teh future. And although you make compelte sense of calling me an "impulse rapist" there is one loose thread in your case...
@vonbeano I completely agree with you that a rapist is resposnible and should completely be be prosecuted for their actions, though i continue to push this idea further and say that a women who interactes with a man who has "rapist" written on their forehead, such as a gang member, is partly at fault because they failed to take care of themselfes. Though the rapist holds all of the blame, the woman should also. And though this is a terrifying experience it is assured that this young
@vonbeano women will never in her life be near any gang member. She will pass that on to her children just like her parents did. Though did she lsiten? Obviously not. Just because she is a child does not mean that she is not to blame for her actions. If i stabbed someone when my actions occured just because i wanted to, i would be so close to being trailed as an adult not bearing fact that I was a kid. Actions have an effect, since this young girl sociolized with these man, rape was
@vonbeano the effect. And to go beyond, this case happens nearly every 6 seconds, but this is just that happened during school, in what is a "formal" environment, thats why its so shoking
@tTNIGGZz If all women stopped 'taking risks' you would have a society full of women not interacting with any men at all, and imprisoned in their own homes.These men will still have sexually subhuman urges that they refuse to control. So how do you think they will satisfy these urges? By breaking into the safety of a womans home, and raping her. Are you comprehending now? By women 'not taking risks', it won't prevent men from raping! I haven't lost the argument, coz you're argument doesn't stand
@vonbeano stopping rape will never happen as it is a world-wide problem. It is like solving poverty within Richmond -an impossible task. The only way we can react to these situations is by individually taking care of ourselves. People individually solve their own poverty by educating themselves and women can individually avoid being raped by not taking extreme risks like, refering to my earlier comment, socializing with gang members with "rapist" written on their forehead.
@vonbeano In short, curing all men with sexually subhuman urges is imposiible. So we as a community cannot go into this trend and say, "well we cannot do anything about it." We need to look at it in a different way -individually, where women should stop interacting with gang members, people who have obviously potential to initiate crazy unethical actions. If not, then there are ignorant in choosing a healthy mate, such as this young girl.
@tTNIGGZz Oh, and just one more thing I would like to add, which has gone completely unnoticed by you, is the fact that this girl was lured into that situation by a friend who she trusted. Then those guys jumped on her, raped and beat her so severely that she was left for dead. As with this rape most rapes are carried out by people that know their victim - that their victims trust, and wouldn't anticipate on being raped by them. So in this rape and many other rapes no victim was 'taking a risk'
@vonbeano If so, the situation most likely went like this: FRIEND "wanna go have a good time?" VICTIM "Sure where at? FRIEND "In the back with some friends" VICTIM "OK" as they walk to the back the victim would think to herself "Oh snap, these are the obvious gang members in my school, plus some unknown adults" CONSCIOUS "Sht, i should get out of here" VICTIM "Its ok im with a trusted friend" If it went otherwise, either you are that "trusted friend" or know that trusted friend that
@vonbeano lured that girl, so in a sense, you have background interference and should be trailed as well.Her friend, who i know was a girl, did not proceed to rape her. Other gang members and adults did, who she was not familiar with. Why did she stay? Could it be because, SHE IGNORED HER CONSCIOUS? She obviously took a risk by ignoring her conscious. And if she did know those gang members, which you should know if she did or not, she obviously took a risk by socializing with them.
@vonbeano Checkmate, you deliberately got destroyed and if you come back with a more suitable argument, which I encourage you to do, i will applaud you. And if you manage to sway my thoughts, I will respect you; but for now, GTFO NNAYYYYGAAHHH!
@tTNIGGZz You're excusing rape by suggesting that some men find it harder to control their sexual urges than others, and coz some have been through childhood trauma, or have an adiction to sex. Remember, I am a psychologist and I deal with people who have been through childhood trauma everyday! I have also dealt with people that claim to have an addiction to sex, and also deal with rapists! Many men that have expperienced childhood trauma don't rape, neither do 'sex addicts'
@vonbeano Lol! Sex addicts don't rape! I'm a drug dealer and i totally don't do drugs. They're more likely to, and if there not, would you care explain? I would love for you to digress into something irrelevant, and continuing to change my words, such as "excusing rape". No stupid, I never excused anyone, as i clearly said rapist are at fault too, so your whole reply here is false. Still though lol! One psychologist says sex addicts dont rape! LMAO!
@tTNIGGZz I could laugh just as hard as you at your claim that sex addicts are more likely to rape. LMBFAO! It really is a dumb thing to say, when it is in fact the opposite, and just shows again your complete lack of education. Trying to ridicule me on a subject you clearly have no understanding of is highly amusing. Seriously, you are clueless.
@tTNIGGZz Even when you're a fully qualified psychologist you never stop studying. Sex addiction is an invention by the way, it's an excuse. Invented by other male psychologists who like to create mental illnesses and put names to them to make a profit. Sex addicts are just promiscuos people. Some rapists do like to claim they have a sex addiction just to excuse their behaviour. They also use childhood trauma as an excuse also. They come up with anything to excuse or justify the rape
@vonbeano Using those excuses in court doesn't do anything. Only if, they are completely retarded like you, since one, Sexual Addicts have a high percentage of being rapist; two, sex addiction is not an excuse or "problem" but a classification of human extreme such as ADHD so of course it is real, as urges are stronger in different people. So referring to your comment that Sex addicts don't rape, completely makes me believe that you are not a psychologist.
@tTNIGGZz And yes you're right when you say using those excuses in court don't do anything, coz usually the jury are made up of numb fuckers like you, with the same backward attitude and derogatory views on women, and that's why sadly 9 out of 10 rapes don't lead to conviction. Rape is not just about sex, but also about power and control. So yes, rape is very much a learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women.
@vonbeano So you continue, siding with me and calling the jury numbfucks. But sir, you cannot classify rape as just power and control as it well is temptation and seduction. Even so, you come to say that changing a male behavior will clear the view of power and control neglecting temptation and seduction.
@tTNIGGZz LMARO! Rape has nothing to do with temptation and seduction. It is mostly about power and control and domination, and a man refusing to control himself when a woman DOES NOT want sex. Your beliefs insult me, and is also an insult to other men as it implies that men are too stupid to be capable of knowing when a woman doesn't want sex. I'm not stupid enough to pin a woman down, and proceed to have sex with her when she is clearly showing distress.It's not difficult to see that
@tTNIGGZz Don't know what ADHD has to do with this subject, but we can have an extensive discussion about that if you like! Just thought i'd be picky like you, and point out that you are going off on a different tangem there, as you have accused me of doing...even though I haven't ever left the subject of rape during this pointless debate.
@vonbeano And it is funny how you think that i'm going off topic by using ADHD as an example. To restate, ADHD is alike "Sex Addicts" where they are not true diagnostics but relatively, the classification of an extreme quality in a human. So yes, Sex Addiction does exist and i use ADHD as an example such that are believed to be non-existent since there is an extremity of human behavior. Using ADHD to back-up Sex Addiction doesn't mean im digressing...
@tTNIGGZz Sex Addicts are just promiscuous people. Rapist will claim to have a sex addiction. As opposed to saying sex addicts don't rape, I am saying rapists claim to have a sex addiction.They are all excuses! It's funny how females who clam to have a sex addiction don't go around raping, and that's coz it's predominantly a male problem, which goes back to the fact that in male dominated societies males are taught that they are entitled to dominate and control women. It's a mans need for power
@vonbeano it just means you're hard-headed. As what if a rapist says hes addicted to sex? Again, it won't help him in court but nonetheless, is a sign that he needs help. So it is not an excuse as it can't even be used to help them but rather as an acceptance to change. Yet, you continue to say that rape is due to the need for male power. HAha! Should you next suggest that we need to change the biological function of Humaniods?
@vonbeano That we should somehow change the incursion that natural selection placed throughout human existence? No; we cannot change that and since sex drive is a continuous trait, meaning there are a variety of outputs for sex drive such that THERE ARE sex addicts who can control themselves and THERE ARE sex addicts who can not alluding to the spectrum of short people and tall people. There will surely be extremities between the two where some are true sex addicts without control.
@tTNIGGZz Most promiscuous people, who claim to be 'Sex Addicts', want willing participants.They know it's wrong to rape.Not all these 'Sex Addicts' will force themselves on women against their will. So how is it that they can control themselves from raping, but yet rapists that claim to be 'Sex Addicts' can't. Again your argument doesn' stand! Everyone has self control where rape is concerned. There's a line that these people choose not to cross. Rape is a choice. Sex drive doesn't come into it
@vonbeano The situation is called the bell-curve, did you forget its relationship throughout biology? I guess you didn't pay attention to all those science classes you took to become a psychologist. But it is seriously comical that you still stand to believe that sex addicts do not rape;yet, you give no proof whatsoever. Laugh at your own pathetic stand. Please, misuse my words again to make me say that i believe in rape! Please, desperately do that again!
@tTNIGGZz I know that most 'sex addicts' don't rape, and ironcally as it seems they have values! Like I have said rape is mostly down to a mans need to dominate and control women. It is a fact! Most 'sex addicts' don't rape! I can't put it any simpler than that! I have spent years studying the bastard subject! It is in fact you that is making an idiot of yourself for believing otherwise!
@vonbeano Saying that sex addicts don't rape should make your title be stripped from you. It is again, ignorant from a psychological and logical stand. Though your way of stopping rape sounds firm, rape IS NOT "just learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women" but OTHER factors as well. So rape will never stop in our communities ever!!! And again, I'm not saying to stop a women's freedom
@vonbeano But they should stop taking HEAVY RISKS because once they do and they are captured in scenes like this, than they are nowhere near freedom. Women themselves take away their own freedom by putting themselves in dangerous situations since, there will always be women who seduce and throw themselves out there. So if you want to change underlying beliefs, you will have to change underlying actions that are forms are freedoms, again, you will have to go back into a islamic stand.
@tTNIGGZz Rape is more a learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women. The fact that rape is learned means that we can work to change the underlying beliefs and eliminate rape from our communities. In order to eliminate rape for societies is to first concentrate on how men should avoid raping, and not how women should avoid being raped. Restricting a girls freedom is not only unfair, but never has, and never will stop rape.
@tTNIGGZz I keep trying to get through to you that rape won't stop until the male behaviour changes! It's up to the male to change his behaviour; not a womans - in this rape case, and in any rape case. Your attitude also contributes to rape. Until this 'women shouldn't take risks' attitude changes, and partly blaiming a woman for being raped we will never see an end to it. This backward attitude only sends out a message to men that it's ok to rape women in these 'women taking risks' situations.
@vonbeano It is not ok to ever rape women. But again, it is not completely up to the male behavior but the women as well since again, some will be seductive and promiscuous. So both male and female behaviors need to change therefore both male and female are partly responsible for rape as a whole in situation like the one above not in other random attacks.
@tTNIGGZz Also, the words "whore" and "slut" are very degrading terms used for females who don't keep a tight control on their sexuality. There are no equivalent degrading terms for identical sexual behaviour by males. The constant trashing of women's and girls' sexuality with words like "whore", "slut", and "bitch", is not only immediately degrading to the individual, it also contributes to a climate which fosters rape.
@vonbeano And I do not know why you would come to post the effects of swear words since you can always call a guy a "manwhore" and a "bitch" (which is truly demeaning);unless, if you think someone calling you a "manwhore" is a good thing. Personally, free expression of female sexuality is to me is strength as well as male expression. I'm not sure what our age gap is, but due to this comparison, you sir live in the past where more sexual boundaries exist.
@tTNIGGZz When free expression of female sexuality is defined as trash, and free expression of male sexuality is defined as good, then it's much easier for men and boys to rationalize doing whatever they want sexually to women and girls.
@vonbeano So again, you come here claiming that most of the population thinks of female expression as trash; but no, you are wrong. We are coming into an era where female expression is strength and if you see it not, then again, you simply live a generation behind me just as my grandmother strongly wishes me to get married at 18. Its all my grandma's meaningless words and point of view just alike yourself.
@tTNIGGZz What a stupid think to say! There you go again with your contradictions! 'Free expression of female sexuality is to me is strength as well as male expression'! but yet you claim that promiscuous, and seductive women need to change their behaviour as it leads to rape! You don't make any sense at all, and I'm afraid it's you with the backward attitude.
@tTNIGGZz We are still living in a society where people think it's ok for men to sleep around, but not ok for women. Most people frown on promiscuous women. There are still double standards between men and women. You seem to welcome the free expression of female sexuality, but when they get raped you're quick to judge, and point the finger at the victim, and insist their behaviour should change. How can you hold women partly responsible for rape when you welcome female promiscuousity?
@vonbeano LOL! I can see the blood-flow at work just by looking at all the "Comment Removed" throughout youtube! And no, we are not in a society where people think its ok for men to sleep around but not for women. WTF is wrong with you. Tell anyone, if they believe that, and you will see that they don't. Try it, and most likely all but the really old would be just like you. Damn sire how old are you?
@tTNIGGZz I have removed comments that I accidently posted twice. So what? What has that got to do with anything. And yes we are in a society where it's ok for men to sleep around and not ok for women, coz if we weren't then you wouldn't have this view that the rape victim is party responsible for being raped if she is seductive. It's pathetic.
@vonbeano But wow, I go on to read and see that once again, you have completely placed words in my mouth that I "point the finger at the victim". Bitch ill point at the rapist, and say the victim gave temptation if they did. If the victim did tempt, i would insist for the victim to change their behavior since again, they will be more likely to fall into the situation. And since I fourthly blame the rapist as well, their behavior should change. But does a rapist welcome promiscuous?
@vonbeano Not all rapist do welcome female promiscuity. Yet, why did this occurrence in Richmond, which you state are like cities around the world, become world-wide news? Richmond High was receiving called from all over the nation and e-mails from all over the planet. Why don't other rapes receive the same feedback? Does this make Richmond a staple of infamous attribute unique from other violent cities?
@tTNIGGZz Other factors in eliminating rape from our societies are: 1. Protest all degrading and discriminatory treatment of women and girls.
2. Make sure there is equality between boys and girls in the home and school. If, for example, girls have to do more housework than boys, it sends a message that girls are supposed to serve boys, and as the boys get older they think girls should serve them sexually too. Girls and boys must be treated equally.
@vonbeano Lol! We are not arguing ways to eliminate rape as that deed seems either impossible or likely to be solved throughout generations. So why digress into a bigger issue when we are arguing whether this girl is responsible for her own actions! I still say she is and you say she is not. How is she not responsible for her actions?!
@tTNIGGZz 3. Integrate male dominated institutions at the top. When women hold half the power, rape and rapists will no longer be condoned. In male dominated societies males are taught in many ways that they are entitled to dominate women. Females aren't taught they are entitled to dominate men. Like I keep telling you, your argumant isn't valid. I know a hell of a lot more about sexual violence, and human psychology than you do. I'm more educated than you.
@vonbeano You keep saying you are more educated than me, but that does not matter much, because I am perusing my education and I actually live in the area where this happened. I know more, the actions and psychological views and ideals in this city than you will ever know since you are not part of it nor grew up in it. I might be in the same level of science and whatnot like you, but you do not have the same environmental and educational background that RIchmond has given me.
@tTNIGGZz There are cities like Richmond all over the world. Your town isn't unique. I live in a small town where violent rapes have occured, near to the next town where violent rapes have occured, and so on. I don't have to be part of Richmond to understand violent human beings and their actions. There are violent people in all societies, only I have studied them; you haven't. So, you can't possibly have knowledge on the psychology of rape, just coz it occured on homeground.
@vonbeano But does having the same environmental factors and teaching alike the violent people in Richmond neglect me from judging my own classmates and neighbors? In other words do you have knowledge of the behavior actions withing Richmond, do you know what goes on in here? You can't possible know what teaching are placed within this city so you can't come and judge simply because you studied rape. If your degree only taught you that the victim is not at fault than please donot judge
@tTNIGGZz Now sling it. Coz your arguments account for nothing. It's just the same old uneducated shit you keep pouring out on a subject you know nothing about. I guess we should be thankful you've done a stint in prison, coz it means you will never end up on jury service, and the last thing a rape victim would need after her horrific ordeal, is to be confronted by your face on the jury rubbing salt in the wounds, and adding insult to injury.
@vonbeano To contradict you, i can run in Jury Service. Though, i would be more scared to have your biased self in jury rather than one who looks into everything. Just because someone would have a horrific ordeal should not make anyone combat the situation. Damn unjustful viewpoint that older people like you continue to push. Some of those kids up there weren't even involved yet they were treated the same, simply because it found world-wide news. Fuck you and those alike you; unjsutful
@tTNIGGZz Men need to learn that they can't go forcing women to have sex with them coz these women were drunk, being seductive, walking around half naked, lying, hanging around with men etc etc. Almost every one of the suggestions are based on false assumptions about rape, and, in reality, do very little to protect girls from rape.Constantly telling girls what they should do to prevent rape sends the harmful message that females, and not males, are responsible if they get raped.
@vonbeano So do not come saying that you are more educated in an environment where I grew up in, where I know the people itself and how they live and pursue their costomes. Again, you might know the human psychology as a whole but not the psychological reasoning of the denizens of Richmond. BITCH please gtfo my city.
@tTNIGGZz This attitude of yours comes out of ignorance, and lack of education. I can't argue with someone who lacks education, and who's stubbornness and ignorance prevents them from ever learning. I have been in prisons, and mental institutions and analysed men who have raped. It's my job to analyse human behaviour. I've had to pick up the peices, and help victims that have been so traumatised by this most disgusting crime that their lives are in complete tatters! It's heartbreaking to see.
@vonbeano Again, you keep attacking me. You say you have been analyzing inmates, but have you ever been one. Not until you have, will you understand why would someone do such things. So you lack the actual experience, something that I do have which to me, means that you are uneducated to tell me why people would do such actions. You show, that no matter the case, you will always back up the victim no matter what, without underlining factors that do matter.
@vonbeano This makes you stand as a hypocritical psychologist since a psychologist needs to analyze all the factors which based on this argument, you do not. The .arguement has been lost, if you reply, you will continue to simply attack me, analyze me and reply from your finding in the most unpsychological way possible. Have you done more than skim through my ideas? i believe so, because you kept changing my words which again, leave me to believe that you are the WORST
@tTNIGGZz How you can show complete lack of empathy, and partly blame this girl for that rape is appalling, and totally disgusts me! It's an insult to all rape victims. Considering the level of violence used on that CHILD, and you can still partly blame her just shows what kind of person you are - cold, callous, no sense of humanity, no conscience, and disrespect for females who suffer through violence.Your attitude reeks. You disgust me that much that I wouldn't even piss on if you were on fire
@vonbeano psychologist in the whole planet, that you sir do not deserve to breathe my air. Because if you do sir, spit piss on someone you know to keep from them burning than you are coming at the situation in a farfetched and unethical way. This is how you viewed this whole argument, in complete fallacy and ignorance. Sir, i would simply pick up a bucket and put the fire out. Get the fuck back to your job, where you will continue to view people as criminals and victims. Retarded FAKE!
@tTNIGGZz A promiscuous woman who is sleeping around with different men is choosing to sleep with these men. If a man chooses to force himself on her coz he knows she is promiscuous then she hasn't chose to have sex with him. So what gives him the right to force sex on her just coz she has chosen to have sex with the other men she has had sex with? You partly blame these women, but then contradict yourself by saying 'It is not ok to ever rape women',
@vonbeano that "[it's] partly ok to rape women". That's a desperate retaliating of your lack of evidence. And though the girl did not anticipate being beaten and raped, she did anticipate to receive attention which is a gateway to situations like in her case. She should not have lied to her father, she should not have been wanting to have a good time (drinking) and all this would happen without avail. She failed to take care of herself and to be a good student thus is partly at fault.
@tTNIGGZz A women can drink, have a good time, and lie, and want attention. She can do do what the hell she wants - it is certainly not an invitation for sex! They took advantage of that girl, and if it wasn't her it would have been someone else. A women is never partly at fault for getting raped!
@tTNIGGZz Oh, but's partly ok to rape a woman if she is 'promiscuous', 'seductive', 'throws herself out there', and interacts with men - men who for some reason don't go around shouting that they are rapists. For a woman to avoid ever getting raped, then she would have to move to an Island somewhere, where it isn't inhabited by men! Like I said before, this girl did not anticipate on being severley beaten, and brutally gang raped|! ON NO ACCOUNT WAS THAT GIRL AT FAULT!
@tTNIGGZz When studying the subject of rape in Criminal Psychology, Student are taught that a rape victim is not to blame for that rape. They are taught that the responsibility in preventing rape is all down to the rapist. It doesn't matter how the woman behaved before the rape took place, or if she 'put herself in danger', as you like to keep saying. So, your wrong yet again - a psychologist does not analyze a womans behaviour to determine if she is partly at fault for being raped!
@vonbeano No sht, law officers are taught that a 245 is always at fault, that the victim is never to be partly at blame; therefore, I was still detentionalized even when it was clearly self-defense. In other words, it doesn't matter what the person whom i did this too did, or was acting upon, but the fact that i did it needs me to be penalized. Was I wrong in doing my action? Well, according to many judges; no, one even stated that I'm a good person during court!
@tTNIGGZz There you go again coming up with pointless comparisons to a rape. How you can compare your situation to a rape is beyond comprehension. You harmed someone in self-defense. There was no rape involved. When a woman gets raped, she has done no harm to anyone so it doesn't justify it. Nothing can justify a rape.Two totally different situations
@vonbeano So with this, i believe that Criminal Psychology should teach students that the one who is at fault should be accounted for their action. But i do believe as well that the teachings don't condone students to dismiss how the woman behaved since that is your own personal statement. Thus, by not analyzing a woman's behavior, than a psychologist is not fit to judge a person since they don't lay all the facts. Thank god they are not the one's judging!
@tTNIGGZz The only person to judge in a rape case, is the man that commited that rape. We want to eliminate rape, and we can not do that if a womans behaviour leading up to that rape comes under analysis. It isn't the victim that is in the wrong or at fault. It is the rapist. Analyzing a womans behaviour is completely pointless, and it won't change anything, coz there is nothing wrong with that woman. I keep telling you that a womans behaviour will not eliminate, or even diminish rape!
@tTNIGGZz I have tried to help women after a rape coz a lot of them suffer from Traumatic Stress Disorder brought on as a result of that rape. It leaves their life in ruins. No way would a psyschologist have a rape victim sat in front of them to analyse their behaviour leading upto that rape! You stupid brainless moron! PMSFL that comment is hilarious! Your stupidity just gets better and better with each comment you make!
I was completely in rage when I read the article about this and the thing that really pissed me off whas that all those students stood there and watched and took pics of it. Nobody thought about helping her and when i read this i felt like crying it was so evil of them to do that and another thing that burns me inside is that those grown men and those stupid teenagers that watched you guys are purely evil and sick and wish you guys forever sorrow
if you are still following this case:the trial starts 11/15/2010 8:05AM Pacific time. Preliminary Hearing is on this monday where over 40 Witnesses will speak to the judge, the victim will not? be in the preliminary hearing but she will testify at the main trial. I don’t know if COurt TV will air this monday but ABC news will show this by the 6PM news
@96thand120th A girl being repeatedly raped, tortured, beaten and kicked in the head until her face was purple and she was in critical condition sounds hot to you but you find that disturbing that you do?
@fluffyman194 You are full of shit. People were harassing and spreading vicious rumors about her before the dance and now people like you are continuing to talk shit based on these rumors. She was set up by Cody who pretended to be her friend. She was targeted to be raped.
They repeatedly raped, tortured, beat and kicked her until she was in such critical condition that she needed to be airlifted to the hospital. Your lies and approval of such brutality marks you as subhuman garbage.
WILL TO ALL OF U I BET U DIDNT NO THE DE ANZA HIGH SCHOOL HAD THE SAME THING GOING ON LAST YEAR BUT THEY DIDNT HAVE THE NEWS ON THEM BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS 2 RICHMOND HIGH! oh! NOW U NOTICE US! JST BECUSE ITS THE GHETTO COME ON MAN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THERES A SHOTING IN RICHMOND HIGH THEN A YEAR LATER AT DE ANZA WILL THEY GO THEN??
i hope the people that stood around are haunted for the rest of their lives and suffer close to or even worse of wat this girl went thru!!im sorry God but it just makes me so angry! a gang rape tho?! this gurl may heal frm her physical wounds but she will forever rember this and i feel so bad for her...
words cant even begin to describe how fckd up these individuals are. i truly dont understand how ppl can not only rape some1 but stand and frickin watch?? i cant even UUUGHH!!! IM PISSED LIKE WTF?!?!?!?!?!
As someone who went to richmond high 10 years ago it was off the hook then n they have done nothing it has gotten worse. as for no one sayin anything that saw nothing worse in rich to be labeled a snich
@calibayrose FUCK THAT SHIT ABOUT "SNITCHES" PEOPLE SHOULD BE WILLING TO DIE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT! YOUR ENTIRE GOD DAMN TOWN SHOULD FUCKING BURN YOU PIECES OF SHIT!!! HOW COULD YOU ALL JUST STAND THERE LAUGHING???
I can't believe how ass backwards of a fucking city you live in where the MAJORITY of high school students think that rape is funny.
Those kids who were standing around laughing and taking pictures were RANDOM kids, these weren't "the bad kids" these were AVERAGE coward Richmond kids.
wow, thats some shittt. its unbelievable. it makes me sad at the same time seriously, those guys were so fucken' desprate to get some, and they were so fuckenn horny that had to do some nasty ass bullshit, wtf is wrong with them. oh, and making the school look bad too!!!! WTF! thatsss "COACH CARTERS" old school! ='[ hopefully god helps her get threw it.
I can not believe that there were police officers assigned to that area that night and teachers and no one had any idea that that poor girl was being violated like that. I would hope that the so called cops that were assigned to that party that night were fired on the spot. I heard that the witnesses of this awful event, those that did not call for help were arrested as well. Good! That poor girl is going to be traumatized for the rest of her life.
This makes me want to cry! How in the hell do you walk past that, take pictures, and not help her? I am ENRAGED for her! I hope they get the death penalty.
Why are they protecting the kid that set this little girl up?? Protect his identity?? He does not deserve to be protected!!! He should be tried as a adult!!
@zimmermanjj I'LL SAY!!! IF IT'S AND ADULT CRIME (LIKE RAPE) THEY SHOULD BE TRYED AS ADULTS!!! I'M 14, AND I ASURE YOU I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING! I'M NOT A 7 YOUR OLD! (AND IT'S NOT LIKE STEAlING)
IF YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO DO THAT! YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO FACE ADULT CONSQUENCES!!!
I just can't get through to you can I. Changing a womans behaviour will not stop men from raping! I am sick of telling you this! It seems like you expect women to be as pure driven snow. You think that if a promiscuous, and seductive woman gets raped it's partly her fault! If that was the case then women who don't sleep around, and aren't seductive, wouldn't get raped, but you see, they do! It doesn't matter if a woman walks around naked. It is not an invite for a men use them as they please!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano LMAO! Changing a woman's behavior wont stop rape, but it sure can lower the statistic of rape. Besides, changing male behavior is implausible as we subject rapist to prison. If they do have the opportunity to change, than it is costly; money that this country does not have. So in end, we both don't have any solution; and yes, I do believe that a seductive women is partly at fault if she gets rape. i will clearly state that because why tempt the shark?
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I am not going to waste my time on your babble. You still haven't got a clue on any on these issues. I can't even believe you think that changing a womans behaviour will lower the statistics of rape. It won't, and that is a fact! I'm sick and tired of trying to explain to you that your way of thinking is totally unacceptable, and that this way of thinking perpetuates rape.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I would just like to point out that 9 out of 10 rapes don't lead to conviction. So saying that 'changing male behaviour is implausable as we subject rapists to prison' just shows again that you have very little knowledge about this subject. We need to look at preventing rape, and we have to start by focusing totally on the rapist (not the victim). I have already repeatedly mentioned in previous comments how to tackle this problem so I am not repeating myself again.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano But no sir,since rape is inevitable anywhere, women who are not promiscuous will not be safe, but are less likely to get raped and since they don't involve themselves into a harsh situation than one can clearly call those victims, if not then sidewise. I don't understand how a "psychologist" does not understand this simple fact. And if a female walks around naked, to a male, can be perceived as an invite. May that perception be completely wrong?
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz So if a woman walks around naked in front of a man it's an invitation to rape? And don't try saying I'm putting words in your mouth coz that is what that statement is saying. When women sunbathe topless on the beach is that an invitation for sex? When a woman is dancing naked in a lapdancing club is that an invitation for sex? And believing that women who are not promiscuous are less likely to get raped again shows your lack of education, coz that is complete rubbish! PMSL
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano Yes; but that women misusing her freedom in confusing others perception qualifies her to be at fault. And i cannot see how me stating that "rape is not ok" contradicts that women are partly at fault. If it contradicts, than you are stating ALL rapist believe that women are partly at fault and since this is not true, than this does not contradict. And wow!!!! Completely misusing my words to the fullest! Quoting my "partly" to suggest that i reassure rape,
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz "women misusing her freedom in confusing others perception qualifies her to be at fault."!? What the fuck are you on! What signals could that girl have been giving those guys that raped her to make them think she wanted to have sex with them? Coz she lied to her parents? Coz she was having drinks with those guys? They forced themselves on her. It's not hard to tell when a woman doesn't want sex. They will cry, scream, say stop, say no etc and that confuses a guys perception!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz If your having consensual sex with a girl, and you start to perform a sex act that she doesn't like, then any normal man would stop. It's a turn off to do something sexually to a girl when she doesn't like it. What turns a man on during sex is knowing that the girl he is having sex with is aroused and enjoying what he is doing to her. A man knows when a woman doesn't want sex. It's very easy to determine that, so there is no way a girl can confuse his perception!
vonbeano 1 week ago
Please lets get this story straight.... She wanted to have a good night and drink, thus contacting that guy. Rules forced everyone to contact their parents in front of their officers which she lied -her father acknowledged that she didn't call. Her own actions led her into this and let's put thigns straight, those kids do need to be condemned into the grimiest part of the world, but if she was really a "churchgoer" she would have never been in that situation.
tTNIGGZz 1 month ago
@tTNIGGZz Coz she 'wanted to have a good night and drink' that means she deserved to get raped does it? How twisted is your attitude. We all 'want to have a good night and drink'; men, and women. She is a child for god sake! All kids lie, and get drunk, but that doesn't justify rape! God forbid any female that wants to have a good time, a drink, and tell a lie! Coz if she does then she will be held responsible for men that can't control their perverted, sick and twisted, sadistic sexual urges!
vonbeano 1 month ago
@vonbeano Being a child does not justify her to be able to drink with older men and lie, its against the law. That is that, so it not only is the men's fault but her own, that is what I am trying to say, and something you don't comprehend. Let's not say it wasn't her fault when she should have been taking care of herself. SoGTFO!
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz I'm not saying she deserved it either, I'm saying that it's her fault too.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz There are too many people like you that put the spotlight on a womans behaviour when she gets raped, and don't even acknowledge the behaviour of the rapists. This attitude stinks. What about men that get raped? Last year there was a serial rapist raping men after a night out in the next town from me. The victims were out 'having a good night', and had been drinking! No one condemned their behaviour, but when its a woman it's her fault she got raped. Makes me sick this double standards
vonbeano 1 month ago
@vonbeano The difference is, that this was a young girl who wasn't in age of drinking. Bringing men who get raped is irrelevant and of course I will put the spotlight on a women if it creates the outcome that is sure to come. Why would you just ignore that? It's people that you that are ignorant and don't relate all the factors to the outcome. She should not have been drinking, she should not have been with them, she should not have been raped. Promiscuous women are promiscuous. So GTF
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Out!
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz All kids drink under age! It's a part of growing up! Your views are really fucked up. She was brutally raped and beaten, and you put half the blame on her! So what if she lied, and got drunk with older men. It doesn't give them the right to rape her. So she is promiscuous coz some twisted scumbags forced themselves on her? Do you realise that your attitude towards women is the same as a rapists? I think you'd better stay well clear of women, coz you're going to end up behind bars
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano OMFG your soo retarded!! I'm trying to say that when someone does stupid sht like drink underage, one has to know that they are putting themselves at risk!! That risk they take could be there last, and i know because i already have been behind bars, and its not because I blame other people but myself as well. So stfu and understand that if you involve yourself into something bad, its because you took the risk! She took the risk, which unfortunately led to something cruel.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Hence she is at fault too! Comprende?!?
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz So I take it you have never told lies, never got drunk under age, and never hung about with people older than you? Pure as driven snow aren't you! So what about women that don't drink, never tell lies, and hang about with older people and still get raped? What are your views on them? What are your views on baby rape, or rape of elderly women? The point i'm making here is rape has fuck all to do with female behaviour! Females get raped coz of a sexually subhuman mans behaviour
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Like i said before, she took the risk, and something bad happened. When babies, elderly women or other innocent men/people get raped, its not because they took a risk like this young lady did. Besides, it's not always men who always rape, as women can too. And to be honest, i do drink underage and i do know the risk that i take, but i can take care of myself and know when the risk is not worth it. And if you wanna get rid of subhuman man behavoir, go to Islamic Land
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz You sir got pwnt! With your homosexual-self and your torta looking-self
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz So what do you expect women to do then? Lock themselves in their own homes, and never venture into the outside world, or interact with men? Life is for living. Life is about taking risks and taking chances,. Otherwise we would never go anywhere in life, but sexually sadistic perverted men take advantage of women in these situations. It's the responsibility of these sickening perverts to learn to control their twisted sexual behaviour; not women that should give up their freedom.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Npoe, don't give up your freedom, just don't take some dumbass risks and follow the ideals taught by the adults.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz 98% of rapes are carried out by men. I know coz I have a degree in Criminal Psychology, and Forensic Psychology. So I'm not going to have some ignorant tosser, with zero intelligence try to educate me on rape! You keep talking about taking risks - a woman is at risk of getting raped everyday of her life. Just walking down the street she is at risk. You have very warped views on rape, and its sickening. I can tell your not very well educated. It really stands out. Get back behind bars
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz So this girl took a risk by drinking, and coz of that she is half to blame? But yet these men that got raped in my vicinity not long ago had also been drinking when they got attacked. They were walking home alone after a night out. So how is it that this girl is to blame for her rape, and these men aren't to blame for their rape? Come on lets hear what clever answer you got for that. I can already see that brain cell bouncing inside your skull like a rubber ball, as you're thinking
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Again, I will stress the fact that this girl in thsi situation took a risk, and the hypothetical women your suggesting did not take any risk thus is not at fault. The young women here is at fault as well because she decided to take the risk. I'm tired of explaining this to you and ill let Eliot do it for me so watch this sht fag: /watch?v=onDr0LU9LnM&feature=g-all-u&context=G2050defFAAAAAAAAAAA.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz "the easiest to protect yourself is not putting yourself in a situation where you can harm yourself" easily stated. And though i Do not hold a degree like you, which I congratulate, I am currently enrolled in UC Davis. Come at me with your weak ass school bro. But again, this situation made it for the young girl to be at fault, all other situation you put involve an individual not taking a risk thus not at fault!!!! Therefore, since this girl did take the risk, she is at faul
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Can't be any easier stated, and if you can't understand, that it is because of your ignorance and how you do not factor all the pieces of the situation together. Good luck being a Forensic Psychologist without properly involving all factors dumbass.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz You know part of me hopes that one day (when you are in that 'know the risk I take' situation), that a gang of vicious rapists pin you down, beat you to a pulp, and rip your arse to shreds. Coz it's only with having that same level of violence inflicted on people like you, that would get you to realise how warped your attitude is, and how quickly it would change. Think you can look after youself do you! When faced with a gang of vicious rapists you got no chance!
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Read below... its called taking a risk. For example, if you gambler and loose all your money, its partly your fault; you took the risk. You seem the type of person that blames everyone else. if i did fall into that situation, i'll be at my own fault for being around gangsters in the first place, especially shady homosexuals. If you like that, its ok i dont jugde but WHEN it does happen to you, I hope you don't just blame others or else its gonna keep hapening.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz The only factor here is that a group of sexual sadists raped a 15 year old girl, and beat her. It doesn't matter what situation she put herself in; it doesn't come into it. She didn't know that a gang of sickos were going to rape and beat her. They are totally to blame; not her! No one female or male wants to be raped. They had no right raping her just coz she was drinking with them! There are no other factors to think about you numb fucker!
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano "It doesnt matter what situation she put herself in," Sir are you completely retarded?!? It completely matters! Let me walk into the african dessert and get eaten by a lion, of shit its the lions fault? No its mine retard. So you say a factor is that those group of rapist raped a 15; yes, another is that she decided to be with them! it all could have been avoided otherwise and so its partly her fault and who the hell does not know that gang members...
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano You got pwnt yet again faggot
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz So how the hell is a woman supposed to know if she is putting herself at risk from being raped? A rapist can strike anywhere, anytime, and in any situation he chooses to rape. They chose to rape that girl in that situation. If it wasn't her it would have been someone else. It doesn't matter what risk a woman takes or what situation she puts herself in. No woman wants to be raped, and if men learned to control their sexual urges then rape wouldn't happen!
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Hanging out with Gang memebrs who obviously do astroucous things..... is taking a big ass risk, something she should have known. This rape could have been avoided; yet, your bring other situations that do not hold the same criteria. Because innocent women who do get rape by just walkingi n the street do not take risks like hanging out with gang members like this girl did.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano I'm starting to see your loose arguement, that if those guys tammed thier sexual urges than this wouldnt happen, but if she didnt take the risk the same outcome would occur. Yet, what is easier to mannufacture, to tame every guys sexual urges, or to know which risk to take; and if your loos head does not know, its easier to know what risks to take.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Are you understanding me? I'll print in block capitals to try get through to that one brain cell bouncing around in that empty skull: MEN NEED TO LEARN TO CONTROL THEIR SICK AND TWISTED SEXUAL URGES. THEY HAVE NO RIGHT FORCING SEX ON WOMEN IN ANY SITUATION A WOMAN PUTS HERSELF IN. RAPE WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF MEN CONTROLLED THEMSELVES; THEREFORE IT'S THE RAPIST WHO IS TO BLAME, NOT THE VICTIM! A WOMAN SHOULD BE FREE TO DO WHAT THE HELL SHE WANTS AND ISN'T ASKING FOR RAPE IN ANY SITUATION!
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Your fucken talking in general fucktar, I'm talking about this direct situation, yes your statement is true, but within this concept, if she followed what anyones councous would...
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano tell the person is that do not hang out with obviously shady looking gangters that have potential to do horrible things, than this could have been avvoided. Come back to the
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano original arguement dont do into general terms, with your loose self, and no that is not a pun cus that would be mean.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz The only ignorant tosser here, with no understanding, is you. Potentially you are a rapist. Why were you in prison? If it isn't for rape i'd be very surprised. Your attitude towards women, and rape is so disrespectful and subhuman that If you haven't raped already then it's inevitable you will in your life time. I'm not going to continue arguing with a potential rapist who has the attitude of a sewer, and comparing rape to gambling just shows what a warped view you have on violence
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano From this i got that your accusing me of raping and being disrespectfual and that YOU LOST THIS ARGUEMENT! And if you want to know, its called code 245, assault with deadly weapon
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Stopping women from taking risks and living their lives isn't going to eliminate rape. Not all men rape, and that's coz they got self control. A man is responsible for his own self control; a woman is not responsible for a mans self control. If I can control myself, then any man can. i don't know how you can suggest that it's better for a woman to avoid getting raped than it is for a man to avoid raping. You are taking the responsibility away from a man, and justifying rape.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Wtf,i never said a men wasn't responsible for raping, I said that this young girl is responsible as well as the guys because she chose to be with them. You keep switching my words throughout this arguement, please be literate. I'm not going to argue with you of what is the best way to stop rape, but i will continue to say that this girl was also at fault. And I'm not saying that a women should completely stop taking risks...
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano But they should stop taking risks which may pertain to their greater health such as this situation in RIchmond High. And just because you can control yourself does not mean everyone else can, because deep phycological problems that cause sexual addiction begin and others start with deep childhood trauma. Sir you seem fine without this trauma, but not everyone is like you, smart educated and moral
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Men know it's morally wrong to rape women whether they are gang members, or members of a flower arranging club. Just coz they are in a gang it still doesn't justify what they did. She is a 15 year old girl, and kids that age think it's cool to hang around with gangs, coz they are exposed to music videos, and tv programmes that make it look cool to be in a gang, at that age kids are easily influenced. They are still growing and learning, and at that age it's easy to mould a kids brain,
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Did i, in any way say, "Since they are gang members, they are justified?" Sir, you are living in complete fallacy and please, i do not wanna argue with you that games, music and tv programs promote and influence children into gangs, because look at me. I lived in RIchmond all my life and I am not in one, and though i meet the statistic of going to jail, i'm attending college. Its those games and programs/ music videos that made me realize how horrible that sht is so pls...
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano so please do not bring any more irrelevant arguements that are making you stray away from this story.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz I don't know why you keep comparing this rape to irrelevant bollocks like an African desert, and gambling! It's a totally different kettle of fish. You might as well say that all men are dangerous and could potentially rape you so stay well clear of them. They don't walk around with rapist tattooed on their foreheads. "Oh I'll avoid him coz he's a rapist.It says on his forehead." The last thing that child was expecting was to get brutally raped and beaten. It's not what she wanted
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano So your saying, the last thing this young girl would expect from GANG MEMBERS is to be raped?!? Dude, how can you lastly expect that when well.... there god damn GANG MEMBERS! It is completely written throughout their forehead!!! If you did not catch that, than you compeltely ignored your concious like in this RIchmond High case, or your just completely ignorant of what gang members do (your case). And comparing life to other menial situations is the best way for you to gasp
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano the situation at hand.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Now, let me educate you a bit more on rape, coz you clearly have no understanding of it. Rape is rape. It doesn't matter what the scenario is, or how a woman behaves, or who she drinks with or hangs around with. It is all the same.It's about men who are so sick and twisted that they refuse to control their sexual urges. It's that what needs to change! Women are not born into society for men to use and abuse whenever they feel. So me comparing other rape scenarios to this is relevant
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Let me give you a real personal example of why introducing other senarios is completely unrelated and why you should include all the factors in a situation. During my high school years, i got into an altercasion with an inoxicated man, him being 3 times as strong as him ended with me stabbing the guy. I did not start the altercasion nor did i wish to extend it but in the end, it was called SELF-DEFENCE. This does not make me a complete fugative as i was out in 11 days from
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano would be 7 years! So no, I am not included in the catagory in where I'm completely insane for stabbing someone, since it was self defence. Therefore situations like this that happened in Richmond High can completely be irrelevant to other rapes just like how my case is completely irrelevant to other stabbings. Sir, living in Richmond made me view life in a completely different way, I suggest you should as well and first handly, experience the real cruel ways of the world.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano So in general, i would rather stab people than rape someone ;). Totally not my style to rape someone.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz You have to understand why I am saying you possess complete lack of respect for women, and why I accuse you of being a potential rapist, and it's coz you have the same attitude towards women, and rape as a rapist. With this attitude of blaming 'women who take risks' it would be very easy for you to cross the line and rape if you are ever interacting with 'women who take risks' given the right opportunity for you to rape a woman in unpremeditated circumstances - an impulse rape.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano This is a great example of why I'm starting to like to argue with you because you are attacking me personal by calling me a rapist and completely ignoring the argument. What your trying to do is catagorize me as a rapist so my arguement can lose credebility but what comes to an end is that I am not a rapist nor do i see myself in teh future. And although you make compelte sense of calling me an "impulse rapist" there is one loose thread in your case...
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano I completely agree with you that a rapist is resposnible and should completely be be prosecuted for their actions, though i continue to push this idea further and say that a women who interactes with a man who has "rapist" written on their forehead, such as a gang member, is partly at fault because they failed to take care of themselfes. Though the rapist holds all of the blame, the woman should also. And though this is a terrifying experience it is assured that this young
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano women will never in her life be near any gang member. She will pass that on to her children just like her parents did. Though did she lsiten? Obviously not. Just because she is a child does not mean that she is not to blame for her actions. If i stabbed someone when my actions occured just because i wanted to, i would be so close to being trailed as an adult not bearing fact that I was a kid. Actions have an effect, since this young girl sociolized with these man, rape was
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano the effect. And to go beyond, this case happens nearly every 6 seconds, but this is just that happened during school, in what is a "formal" environment, thats why its so shoking
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz If all women stopped 'taking risks' you would have a society full of women not interacting with any men at all, and imprisoned in their own homes.These men will still have sexually subhuman urges that they refuse to control. So how do you think they will satisfy these urges? By breaking into the safety of a womans home, and raping her. Are you comprehending now? By women 'not taking risks', it won't prevent men from raping! I haven't lost the argument, coz you're argument doesn't stand
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano stopping rape will never happen as it is a world-wide problem. It is like solving poverty within Richmond -an impossible task. The only way we can react to these situations is by individually taking care of ourselves. People individually solve their own poverty by educating themselves and women can individually avoid being raped by not taking extreme risks like, refering to my earlier comment, socializing with gang members with "rapist" written on their forehead.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano In short, curing all men with sexually subhuman urges is imposiible. So we as a community cannot go into this trend and say, "well we cannot do anything about it." We need to look at it in a different way -individually, where women should stop interacting with gang members, people who have obviously potential to initiate crazy unethical actions. If not, then there are ignorant in choosing a healthy mate, such as this young girl.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz Oh, and just one more thing I would like to add, which has gone completely unnoticed by you, is the fact that this girl was lured into that situation by a friend who she trusted. Then those guys jumped on her, raped and beat her so severely that she was left for dead. As with this rape most rapes are carried out by people that know their victim - that their victims trust, and wouldn't anticipate on being raped by them. So in this rape and many other rapes no victim was 'taking a risk'
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano If so, the situation most likely went like this: FRIEND "wanna go have a good time?" VICTIM "Sure where at? FRIEND "In the back with some friends" VICTIM "OK" as they walk to the back the victim would think to herself "Oh snap, these are the obvious gang members in my school, plus some unknown adults" CONSCIOUS "Sht, i should get out of here" VICTIM "Its ok im with a trusted friend" If it went otherwise, either you are that "trusted friend" or know that trusted friend that
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano lured that girl, so in a sense, you have background interference and should be trailed as well.Her friend, who i know was a girl, did not proceed to rape her. Other gang members and adults did, who she was not familiar with. Why did she stay? Could it be because, SHE IGNORED HER CONSCIOUS? She obviously took a risk by ignoring her conscious. And if she did know those gang members, which you should know if she did or not, she obviously took a risk by socializing with them.
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Checkmate, you deliberately got destroyed and if you come back with a more suitable argument, which I encourage you to do, i will applaud you. And if you manage to sway my thoughts, I will respect you; but for now, GTFO NNAYYYYGAAHHH!
tTNIGGZz 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz You're excusing rape by suggesting that some men find it harder to control their sexual urges than others, and coz some have been through childhood trauma, or have an adiction to sex. Remember, I am a psychologist and I deal with people who have been through childhood trauma everyday! I have also dealt with people that claim to have an addiction to sex, and also deal with rapists! Many men that have expperienced childhood trauma don't rape, neither do 'sex addicts'
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Lol! Sex addicts don't rape! I'm a drug dealer and i totally don't do drugs. They're more likely to, and if there not, would you care explain? I would love for you to digress into something irrelevant, and continuing to change my words, such as "excusing rape". No stupid, I never excused anyone, as i clearly said rapist are at fault too, so your whole reply here is false. Still though lol! One psychologist says sex addicts dont rape! LMAO!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I could laugh just as hard as you at your claim that sex addicts are more likely to rape. LMBFAO! It really is a dumb thing to say, when it is in fact the opposite, and just shows again your complete lack of education. Trying to ridicule me on a subject you clearly have no understanding of is highly amusing. Seriously, you are clueless.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Even when you're a fully qualified psychologist you never stop studying. Sex addiction is an invention by the way, it's an excuse. Invented by other male psychologists who like to create mental illnesses and put names to them to make a profit. Sex addicts are just promiscuos people. Some rapists do like to claim they have a sex addiction just to excuse their behaviour. They also use childhood trauma as an excuse also. They come up with anything to excuse or justify the rape
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Using those excuses in court doesn't do anything. Only if, they are completely retarded like you, since one, Sexual Addicts have a high percentage of being rapist; two, sex addiction is not an excuse or "problem" but a classification of human extreme such as ADHD so of course it is real, as urges are stronger in different people. So referring to your comment that Sex addicts don't rape, completely makes me believe that you are not a psychologist.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz And yes you're right when you say using those excuses in court don't do anything, coz usually the jury are made up of numb fuckers like you, with the same backward attitude and derogatory views on women, and that's why sadly 9 out of 10 rapes don't lead to conviction. Rape is not just about sex, but also about power and control. So yes, rape is very much a learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano So you continue, siding with me and calling the jury numbfucks. But sir, you cannot classify rape as just power and control as it well is temptation and seduction. Even so, you come to say that changing a male behavior will clear the view of power and control neglecting temptation and seduction.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz LMARO! Rape has nothing to do with temptation and seduction. It is mostly about power and control and domination, and a man refusing to control himself when a woman DOES NOT want sex. Your beliefs insult me, and is also an insult to other men as it implies that men are too stupid to be capable of knowing when a woman doesn't want sex. I'm not stupid enough to pin a woman down, and proceed to have sex with her when she is clearly showing distress.It's not difficult to see that
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Don't know what ADHD has to do with this subject, but we can have an extensive discussion about that if you like! Just thought i'd be picky like you, and point out that you are going off on a different tangem there, as you have accused me of doing...even though I haven't ever left the subject of rape during this pointless debate.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano And it is funny how you think that i'm going off topic by using ADHD as an example. To restate, ADHD is alike "Sex Addicts" where they are not true diagnostics but relatively, the classification of an extreme quality in a human. So yes, Sex Addiction does exist and i use ADHD as an example such that are believed to be non-existent since there is an extremity of human behavior. Using ADHD to back-up Sex Addiction doesn't mean im digressing...
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Sex Addicts are just promiscuous people. Rapist will claim to have a sex addiction. As opposed to saying sex addicts don't rape, I am saying rapists claim to have a sex addiction.They are all excuses! It's funny how females who clam to have a sex addiction don't go around raping, and that's coz it's predominantly a male problem, which goes back to the fact that in male dominated societies males are taught that they are entitled to dominate and control women. It's a mans need for power
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano it just means you're hard-headed. As what if a rapist says hes addicted to sex? Again, it won't help him in court but nonetheless, is a sign that he needs help. So it is not an excuse as it can't even be used to help them but rather as an acceptance to change. Yet, you continue to say that rape is due to the need for male power. HAha! Should you next suggest that we need to change the biological function of Humaniods?
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@vonbeano That we should somehow change the incursion that natural selection placed throughout human existence? No; we cannot change that and since sex drive is a continuous trait, meaning there are a variety of outputs for sex drive such that THERE ARE sex addicts who can control themselves and THERE ARE sex addicts who can not alluding to the spectrum of short people and tall people. There will surely be extremities between the two where some are true sex addicts without control.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Most promiscuous people, who claim to be 'Sex Addicts', want willing participants.They know it's wrong to rape.Not all these 'Sex Addicts' will force themselves on women against their will. So how is it that they can control themselves from raping, but yet rapists that claim to be 'Sex Addicts' can't. Again your argument doesn' stand! Everyone has self control where rape is concerned. There's a line that these people choose not to cross. Rape is a choice. Sex drive doesn't come into it
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano The situation is called the bell-curve, did you forget its relationship throughout biology? I guess you didn't pay attention to all those science classes you took to become a psychologist. But it is seriously comical that you still stand to believe that sex addicts do not rape;yet, you give no proof whatsoever. Laugh at your own pathetic stand. Please, misuse my words again to make me say that i believe in rape! Please, desperately do that again!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I know that most 'sex addicts' don't rape, and ironcally as it seems they have values! Like I have said rape is mostly down to a mans need to dominate and control women. It is a fact! Most 'sex addicts' don't rape! I can't put it any simpler than that! I have spent years studying the bastard subject! It is in fact you that is making an idiot of yourself for believing otherwise!
vonbeano 1 week ago
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@vonbeano Saying that sex addicts don't rape should make your title be stripped from you. It is again, ignorant from a psychological and logical stand. Though your way of stopping rape sounds firm, rape IS NOT "just learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women" but OTHER factors as well. So rape will never stop in our communities ever!!! And again, I'm not saying to stop a women's freedom
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@vonbeano But they should stop taking HEAVY RISKS because once they do and they are captured in scenes like this, than they are nowhere near freedom. Women themselves take away their own freedom by putting themselves in dangerous situations since, there will always be women who seduce and throw themselves out there. So if you want to change underlying beliefs, you will have to change underlying actions that are forms are freedoms, again, you will have to go back into a islamic stand.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Rape is more a learned act of sexual violence that comes out of social beliefs that men have a right to dominate and control women. The fact that rape is learned means that we can work to change the underlying beliefs and eliminate rape from our communities. In order to eliminate rape for societies is to first concentrate on how men should avoid raping, and not how women should avoid being raped. Restricting a girls freedom is not only unfair, but never has, and never will stop rape.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@tTNIGGZz I keep trying to get through to you that rape won't stop until the male behaviour changes! It's up to the male to change his behaviour; not a womans - in this rape case, and in any rape case. Your attitude also contributes to rape. Until this 'women shouldn't take risks' attitude changes, and partly blaiming a woman for being raped we will never see an end to it. This backward attitude only sends out a message to men that it's ok to rape women in these 'women taking risks' situations.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano It is not ok to ever rape women. But again, it is not completely up to the male behavior but the women as well since again, some will be seductive and promiscuous. So both male and female behaviors need to change therefore both male and female are partly responsible for rape as a whole in situation like the one above not in other random attacks.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Also, the words "whore" and "slut" are very degrading terms used for females who don't keep a tight control on their sexuality. There are no equivalent degrading terms for identical sexual behaviour by males. The constant trashing of women's and girls' sexuality with words like "whore", "slut", and "bitch", is not only immediately degrading to the individual, it also contributes to a climate which fosters rape.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano And I do not know why you would come to post the effects of swear words since you can always call a guy a "manwhore" and a "bitch" (which is truly demeaning);unless, if you think someone calling you a "manwhore" is a good thing. Personally, free expression of female sexuality is to me is strength as well as male expression. I'm not sure what our age gap is, but due to this comparison, you sir live in the past where more sexual boundaries exist.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
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vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz When free expression of female sexuality is defined as trash, and free expression of male sexuality is defined as good, then it's much easier for men and boys to rationalize doing whatever they want sexually to women and girls.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano So again, you come here claiming that most of the population thinks of female expression as trash; but no, you are wrong. We are coming into an era where female expression is strength and if you see it not, then again, you simply live a generation behind me just as my grandmother strongly wishes me to get married at 18. Its all my grandma's meaningless words and point of view just alike yourself.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
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@tTNIGGZz What a stupid think to say! There you go again with your contradictions! 'Free expression of female sexuality is to me is strength as well as male expression'! but yet you claim that promiscuous, and seductive women need to change their behaviour as it leads to rape! You don't make any sense at all, and I'm afraid it's you with the backward attitude.
vonbeano 1 week ago
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vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz We are still living in a society where people think it's ok for men to sleep around, but not ok for women. Most people frown on promiscuous women. There are still double standards between men and women. You seem to welcome the free expression of female sexuality, but when they get raped you're quick to judge, and point the finger at the victim, and insist their behaviour should change. How can you hold women partly responsible for rape when you welcome female promiscuousity?
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano LOL! I can see the blood-flow at work just by looking at all the "Comment Removed" throughout youtube! And no, we are not in a society where people think its ok for men to sleep around but not for women. WTF is wrong with you. Tell anyone, if they believe that, and you will see that they don't. Try it, and most likely all but the really old would be just like you. Damn sire how old are you?
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I have removed comments that I accidently posted twice. So what? What has that got to do with anything. And yes we are in a society where it's ok for men to sleep around and not ok for women, coz if we weren't then you wouldn't have this view that the rape victim is party responsible for being raped if she is seductive. It's pathetic.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano But wow, I go on to read and see that once again, you have completely placed words in my mouth that I "point the finger at the victim". Bitch ill point at the rapist, and say the victim gave temptation if they did. If the victim did tempt, i would insist for the victim to change their behavior since again, they will be more likely to fall into the situation. And since I fourthly blame the rapist as well, their behavior should change. But does a rapist welcome promiscuous?
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@vonbeano Not all rapist do welcome female promiscuity. Yet, why did this occurrence in Richmond, which you state are like cities around the world, become world-wide news? Richmond High was receiving called from all over the nation and e-mails from all over the planet. Why don't other rapes receive the same feedback? Does this make Richmond a staple of infamous attribute unique from other violent cities?
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vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Other factors in eliminating rape from our societies are: 1. Protest all degrading and discriminatory treatment of women and girls.
2. Make sure there is equality between boys and girls in the home and school. If, for example, girls have to do more housework than boys, it sends a message that girls are supposed to serve boys, and as the boys get older they think girls should serve them sexually too. Girls and boys must be treated equally.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Lol! We are not arguing ways to eliminate rape as that deed seems either impossible or likely to be solved throughout generations. So why digress into a bigger issue when we are arguing whether this girl is responsible for her own actions! I still say she is and you say she is not. How is she not responsible for her actions?!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz 3. Integrate male dominated institutions at the top. When women hold half the power, rape and rapists will no longer be condoned. In male dominated societies males are taught in many ways that they are entitled to dominate women. Females aren't taught they are entitled to dominate men. Like I keep telling you, your argumant isn't valid. I know a hell of a lot more about sexual violence, and human psychology than you do. I'm more educated than you.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano You keep saying you are more educated than me, but that does not matter much, because I am perusing my education and I actually live in the area where this happened. I know more, the actions and psychological views and ideals in this city than you will ever know since you are not part of it nor grew up in it. I might be in the same level of science and whatnot like you, but you do not have the same environmental and educational background that RIchmond has given me.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz There are cities like Richmond all over the world. Your town isn't unique. I live in a small town where violent rapes have occured, near to the next town where violent rapes have occured, and so on. I don't have to be part of Richmond to understand violent human beings and their actions. There are violent people in all societies, only I have studied them; you haven't. So, you can't possibly have knowledge on the psychology of rape, just coz it occured on homeground.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano But does having the same environmental factors and teaching alike the violent people in Richmond neglect me from judging my own classmates and neighbors? In other words do you have knowledge of the behavior actions withing Richmond, do you know what goes on in here? You can't possible know what teaching are placed within this city so you can't come and judge simply because you studied rape. If your degree only taught you that the victim is not at fault than please donot judge
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Now sling it. Coz your arguments account for nothing. It's just the same old uneducated shit you keep pouring out on a subject you know nothing about. I guess we should be thankful you've done a stint in prison, coz it means you will never end up on jury service, and the last thing a rape victim would need after her horrific ordeal, is to be confronted by your face on the jury rubbing salt in the wounds, and adding insult to injury.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano To contradict you, i can run in Jury Service. Though, i would be more scared to have your biased self in jury rather than one who looks into everything. Just because someone would have a horrific ordeal should not make anyone combat the situation. Damn unjustful viewpoint that older people like you continue to push. Some of those kids up there weren't even involved yet they were treated the same, simply because it found world-wide news. Fuck you and those alike you; unjsutful
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Men need to learn that they can't go forcing women to have sex with them coz these women were drunk, being seductive, walking around half naked, lying, hanging around with men etc etc. Almost every one of the suggestions are based on false assumptions about rape, and, in reality, do very little to protect girls from rape.Constantly telling girls what they should do to prevent rape sends the harmful message that females, and not males, are responsible if they get raped.
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano So do not come saying that you are more educated in an environment where I grew up in, where I know the people itself and how they live and pursue their costomes. Again, you might know the human psychology as a whole but not the psychological reasoning of the denizens of Richmond. BITCH please gtfo my city.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz This attitude of yours comes out of ignorance, and lack of education. I can't argue with someone who lacks education, and who's stubbornness and ignorance prevents them from ever learning. I have been in prisons, and mental institutions and analysed men who have raped. It's my job to analyse human behaviour. I've had to pick up the peices, and help victims that have been so traumatised by this most disgusting crime that their lives are in complete tatters! It's heartbreaking to see.
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano Again, you keep attacking me. You say you have been analyzing inmates, but have you ever been one. Not until you have, will you understand why would someone do such things. So you lack the actual experience, something that I do have which to me, means that you are uneducated to tell me why people would do such actions. You show, that no matter the case, you will always back up the victim no matter what, without underlining factors that do matter.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@vonbeano This makes you stand as a hypocritical psychologist since a psychologist needs to analyze all the factors which based on this argument, you do not. The .arguement has been lost, if you reply, you will continue to simply attack me, analyze me and reply from your finding in the most unpsychological way possible. Have you done more than skim through my ideas? i believe so, because you kept changing my words which again, leave me to believe that you are the WORST
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz How you can show complete lack of empathy, and partly blame this girl for that rape is appalling, and totally disgusts me! It's an insult to all rape victims. Considering the level of violence used on that CHILD, and you can still partly blame her just shows what kind of person you are - cold, callous, no sense of humanity, no conscience, and disrespect for females who suffer through violence.Your attitude reeks. You disgust me that much that I wouldn't even piss on if you were on fire
vonbeano 2 weeks ago
@vonbeano psychologist in the whole planet, that you sir do not deserve to breathe my air. Because if you do sir, spit piss on someone you know to keep from them burning than you are coming at the situation in a farfetched and unethical way. This is how you viewed this whole argument, in complete fallacy and ignorance. Sir, i would simply pick up a bucket and put the fire out. Get the fuck back to your job, where you will continue to view people as criminals and victims. Retarded FAKE!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz A promiscuous woman who is sleeping around with different men is choosing to sleep with these men. If a man chooses to force himself on her coz he knows she is promiscuous then she hasn't chose to have sex with him. So what gives him the right to force sex on her just coz she has chosen to have sex with the other men she has had sex with? You partly blame these women, but then contradict yourself by saying 'It is not ok to ever rape women',
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano that "[it's] partly ok to rape women". That's a desperate retaliating of your lack of evidence. And though the girl did not anticipate being beaten and raped, she did anticipate to receive attention which is a gateway to situations like in her case. She should not have lied to her father, she should not have been wanting to have a good time (drinking) and all this would happen without avail. She failed to take care of herself and to be a good student thus is partly at fault.
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz A women can drink, have a good time, and lie, and want attention. She can do do what the hell she wants - it is certainly not an invitation for sex! They took advantage of that girl, and if it wasn't her it would have been someone else. A women is never partly at fault for getting raped!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz Oh, but's partly ok to rape a woman if she is 'promiscuous', 'seductive', 'throws herself out there', and interacts with men - men who for some reason don't go around shouting that they are rapists. For a woman to avoid ever getting raped, then she would have to move to an Island somewhere, where it isn't inhabited by men! Like I said before, this girl did not anticipate on being severley beaten, and brutally gang raped|! ON NO ACCOUNT WAS THAT GIRL AT FAULT!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz When studying the subject of rape in Criminal Psychology, Student are taught that a rape victim is not to blame for that rape. They are taught that the responsibility in preventing rape is all down to the rapist. It doesn't matter how the woman behaved before the rape took place, or if she 'put herself in danger', as you like to keep saying. So, your wrong yet again - a psychologist does not analyze a womans behaviour to determine if she is partly at fault for being raped!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano No sht, law officers are taught that a 245 is always at fault, that the victim is never to be partly at blame; therefore, I was still detentionalized even when it was clearly self-defense. In other words, it doesn't matter what the person whom i did this too did, or was acting upon, but the fact that i did it needs me to be penalized. Was I wrong in doing my action? Well, according to many judges; no, one even stated that I'm a good person during court!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz There you go again coming up with pointless comparisons to a rape. How you can compare your situation to a rape is beyond comprehension. You harmed someone in self-defense. There was no rape involved. When a woman gets raped, she has done no harm to anyone so it doesn't justify it. Nothing can justify a rape.Two totally different situations
vonbeano 1 week ago
@vonbeano So with this, i believe that Criminal Psychology should teach students that the one who is at fault should be accounted for their action. But i do believe as well that the teachings don't condone students to dismiss how the woman behaved since that is your own personal statement. Thus, by not analyzing a woman's behavior, than a psychologist is not fit to judge a person since they don't lay all the facts. Thank god they are not the one's judging!
tTNIGGZz 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz The only person to judge in a rape case, is the man that commited that rape. We want to eliminate rape, and we can not do that if a womans behaviour leading up to that rape comes under analysis. It isn't the victim that is in the wrong or at fault. It is the rapist. Analyzing a womans behaviour is completely pointless, and it won't change anything, coz there is nothing wrong with that woman. I keep telling you that a womans behaviour will not eliminate, or even diminish rape!
vonbeano 1 week ago
@tTNIGGZz I have tried to help women after a rape coz a lot of them suffer from Traumatic Stress Disorder brought on as a result of that rape. It leaves their life in ruins. No way would a psyschologist have a rape victim sat in front of them to analyse their behaviour leading upto that rape! You stupid brainless moron! PMSFL that comment is hilarious! Your stupidity just gets better and better with each comment you make!
vonbeano 1 week ago
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vonbeano 1 week ago
The fact that a little 15 year old gets raped by devilish monsters that call themselves men u guys will get what you deserve on day
krissbaye 1 year ago
I was completely in rage when I read the article about this and the thing that really pissed me off whas that all those students stood there and watched and took pics of it. Nobody thought about helping her and when i read this i felt like crying it was so evil of them to do that and another thing that burns me inside is that those grown men and those stupid teenagers that watched you guys are purely evil and sick and wish you guys forever sorrow
krissbaye 1 year ago
if you are still following this case:the trial starts 11/15/2010 8:05AM Pacific time. Preliminary Hearing is on this monday where over 40 Witnesses will speak to the judge, the victim will not? be in the preliminary hearing but she will testify at the main trial. I don’t know if COurt TV will air this monday but ABC news will show this by the 6PM news
athrunmanly 1 year ago
@96thand120th A girl being repeatedly raped, tortured, beaten and kicked in the head until her face was purple and she was in critical condition sounds hot to you but you find that disturbing that you do?
Get help.
RichmondRevanche 1 year ago
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fluffyman194 2 years ago
Yeah. blame the 15-year old girl for being gang-raped by 20 guys. Typical mud of you to make excuses for your "home boys"!
earlturner2 2 years ago 2
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fluffyman194 2 years ago
@fluffyman194 You are full of shit. People were harassing and spreading vicious rumors about her before the dance and now people like you are continuing to talk shit based on these rumors. She was set up by Cody who pretended to be her friend. She was targeted to be raped.
They repeatedly raped, tortured, beat and kicked her until she was in such critical condition that she needed to be airlifted to the hospital. Your lies and approval of such brutality marks you as subhuman garbage.
RichmondRevanche 1 year ago
@RichmondRevanche
Not gonna lie...You make it sound hot, And for me to feel that way about rape is disturbing to me, How is she doing?
96thand120th 1 year ago
World's worst Police Force ever....Richmond
Police were alerted to drunk/stoned youths at the
Courtyard area but never investigated. Lt Gagan, Richmond Police Department
and Charles Ramsey, School Board member
can't understand how an evil act like this could
happen....really...why are they in charge of the
Public's safety...time for the Richmond Mayor, Chief of Police, the entire school board, and
all administrators of the "Spoilers" to resign and
face gross negligence charges. Jailtime
666zerowolf 2 years ago
WILL TO ALL OF U I BET U DIDNT NO THE DE ANZA HIGH SCHOOL HAD THE SAME THING GOING ON LAST YEAR BUT THEY DIDNT HAVE THE NEWS ON THEM BUT WHEN IT HAPPENS 2 RICHMOND HIGH! oh! NOW U NOTICE US! JST BECUSE ITS THE GHETTO COME ON MAN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THERES A SHOTING IN RICHMOND HIGH THEN A YEAR LATER AT DE ANZA WILL THEY GO THEN??
Donpockets510 2 years ago
i hope the people that stood around are haunted for the rest of their lives and suffer close to or even worse of wat this girl went thru!!im sorry God but it just makes me so angry! a gang rape tho?! this gurl may heal frm her physical wounds but she will forever rember this and i feel so bad for her...
MsSweetz101 2 years ago
words cant even begin to describe how fckd up these individuals are. i truly dont understand how ppl can not only rape some1 but stand and frickin watch?? i cant even UUUGHH!!! IM PISSED LIKE WTF?!?!?!?!?!
73Pineapples10 2 years ago
As someone who went to richmond high 10 years ago it was off the hook then n they have done nothing it has gotten worse. as for no one sayin anything that saw nothing worse in rich to be labeled a snich
calibayrose 2 years ago
@calibayrose FUCK THAT SHIT ABOUT "SNITCHES" PEOPLE SHOULD BE WILLING TO DIE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT! YOUR ENTIRE GOD DAMN TOWN SHOULD FUCKING BURN YOU PIECES OF SHIT!!! HOW COULD YOU ALL JUST STAND THERE LAUGHING???
I can't believe how ass backwards of a fucking city you live in where the MAJORITY of high school students think that rape is funny.
Those kids who were standing around laughing and taking pictures were RANDOM kids, these weren't "the bad kids" these were AVERAGE coward Richmond kids.
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BrittPhillips 2 years ago
wow, thats some shittt. its unbelievable. it makes me sad at the same time seriously, those guys were so fucken' desprate to get some, and they were so fuckenn horny that had to do some nasty ass bullshit, wtf is wrong with them. oh, and making the school look bad too!!!! WTF! thatsss "COACH CARTERS" old school! ='[ hopefully god helps her get threw it.
StephanieeElide 2 years ago
Fucking bastards..
FightTheJoker 2 years ago
I can not believe that there were police officers assigned to that area that night and teachers and no one had any idea that that poor girl was being violated like that. I would hope that the so called cops that were assigned to that party that night were fired on the spot. I heard that the witnesses of this awful event, those that did not call for help were arrested as well. Good! That poor girl is going to be traumatized for the rest of her life.
dorindaclarkcole 2 years ago 2
This makes me want to cry! How in the hell do you walk past that, take pictures, and not help her? I am ENRAGED for her! I hope they get the death penalty.
MsPitbullqueen 2 years ago 2
Those boys need to be castrated with a dull rusty knife.
rtdzign 2 years ago
hang em all
vagg 2 years ago 2
The answer is to behead them all. Not only the perpatrators, but those who watched. Then burn their family homes to the ground.
xraycat30 2 years ago
YEZZZZ, I agree with you xraycat30.
aguafinatv 2 years ago 2
@xraycat30
Execute them and their entire families with extended relatives included since the fail of their family is genetic.
LucaviAD 2 years ago
I'm for it
xraycat30 2 years ago
Why are they protecting the kid that set this little girl up?? Protect his identity?? He does not deserve to be protected!!! He should be tried as a adult!!
zimmermanjj 2 years ago 7
@zimmermanjj I'LL SAY!!! IF IT'S AND ADULT CRIME (LIKE RAPE) THEY SHOULD BE TRYED AS ADULTS!!! I'M 14, AND I ASURE YOU I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING! I'M NOT A 7 YOUR OLD! (AND IT'S NOT LIKE STEAlING)
IF YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO DO THAT! YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO FACE ADULT CONSQUENCES!!!
mcfrandy 1 year ago 9
@mcfrandy im 24 & i hella agree wit u youngsta
policticalMenace1987 10 months ago 2