@davgot47 creo q esto loco farso profesta lleban la g t ala locura solo la biblia es la verda solo el espiritu santo revela al jesucristo y su doctrina dios le bendiga todo el qleea este comentario
Oh, there was the answer to my own question that I posted on part 2. WHen he walks away at the end he puts his glasses on, so I take it that he only had them off to look good for the cameras. Thanks again for posting this!
This was not real religion. Jim Jones was not a true follower of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, he was a disservice to the Body of Christ....
I had a religious girlfriend in high school. She took me to Church a few times, until one time after mass she took me to a meeting. Everyone started crying and screaming that they were sinner. She ask me to do the same. Well, the point is I ended the relationship with her shortly.
I don't know who you are, but you're the first person ever who has communicated with me about any connection (even philosophical) between Jones and Father Divine. He somehow attracted all these aged wonderful African American women with colorful, beautiful names like "Hyacinth Thrush'" of "Forever Rejoycing" to his Church in Redwood Valley. Please tell me what you know about this connection with the Father Divine group.
The book "Raven" explores the relationship between Jones and Father Divine. In his Indiana days, Jones thought he could take a shortcut to gaining an huge congregation by co-opting Divine's. After Divine died, he visited his widow and pretended to be embodied with Divine's spirit, but Mother Divine didn't fall for it.
I wonder if Jim Jones would have died a 'natural death' and his followers regulated to obscurity & an occasional curiosity ,as has happened to his mentor Father Divine & his Peace Mission Movement,would people be second guessing & projecting about Jim Jonses psychology and 'hidden motives' as they are doing here?
What year was this footage done? Also, I noticed how Jones shutdown communication at the end, but he was wearing the same outfit since the beginning. We you allowed in the church after this shutdown of communication, where he wanted you all to turn the cameras off so you couldn't film the healings?
@Pllm30 I don't think we tried to get into the church after that. I believe he only threw us out because if we had filmed the "healings", stuff like "throwing up cancers" would have been able to be analyzed as sleight of hand--phoney magic... However if I had come on that I just wanted to "sincerely" attend his church services they may have let me in--it was the filming that got us thrown out.
@davgot47 thnx for responding. I bet it was an experience having met him esp. now after all that has happened. You must have left that meeting thinking how odd and strange he was.
This is weird and scary. He seemed almost normal, or about as normal as most eccentric preachers are - presentable, good to people and animals, concerned and caring, but showy and a bit egotistical. And yet I swear you can see something was 'off' underneath the surface. As if he was hidding something, or being kind of fake.
But one thing's for sure - he did not look like someone who was going to kill over 900 people. And please don't say they commited suicide. He KILLED them.
It's sad in the way that he WAS a good person who was really trying to help people. It was nice when he was talking to the 96 yr old lady about swimming in the ocean, she called him father though, which is weird. All of those people worshiping him turned him into a deist.
Jim Jones was called 'Father' & 'Dad' by his followers after he publicly in 1971 unilaterally claimed to be the only true successor & to the life & work of Father Divine.(He saw himself as Divine's succesor as early as 1958 & said so privatly to Father Divine & his staff)
Thanks for uploading this. A lot of documentries don't show this side of Jim Jones. It was interesting watching him interact with the people and animals. I wonder what made him turn out the way he did.
Jim Jones was a master manipulator. I believe he got worse as time went on. He was also being consumed by paranoia. And I believe his paranoia was exasperated by drugs--speed, perhaps meth amphetamines administered by his nurses. I hate to make hitlerian comparisons--but they are there. He may have started out as a well-meaning preacher with
some socialistic leanings but evolved into a monstor responsible for the deaths of nearly 1000 people.
guy had some charisma to attract so many retards
BayouBluesMan 1 month ago
Next to people like Elvis Presley and Muhamad Ali, Jim Jones was almost in the league of the aforementioned 2 as far as charisma was concerned.
No wonder he was able to pull crowds and put people under a spell.
In that scene wit Archie Ijames there's no denying that Jim comes across as a sincere and sympathetic person..
It's so sad that he abused the trust that sincere, good people put in him.
jfkcamelot 1 month ago
serial killer...via mind control on the weaknesses of mankind.
kykim6440 2 months ago
It was the time of actor studio "humility Jones"... Before the day for "Guyana Jones or the Devil"... It's a world joke, but I'm not joking.
We see here the preparating announcement for a terrible tragedy.
Time make the difference. The difference between them and us.
We see thoses people faces at a moment we know what they still ignore...
Some call that "To believe"...
DinoSeminario 5 months ago
@RobGoth100 Not really. But they did spy on me and my partner.
davgot47 9 months ago
In clip 4:28 Jones really looked like a monster without his glasses.
67nairb 9 months ago
2:15 is that Bob Brown?
67nairb 9 months ago
He seems normal untill he puts on those wicked sunglasses. When he's in preacher mode he comes off as dark and strange.
MrShmetel 1 year ago
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TheDefjams 1 year ago
Even though it is a bit of a simplification, I like your analysis. Few people know about the Jones connection to the Father Divine followers.
davgot47 1 year ago
Even though it is a bit of a simplification, I like your analysis. Few people know about the Jones connection to the Father Divine followers.
davgot47 1 year ago
@davgot47 creo q esto loco farso profesta lleban la g t ala locura solo la biblia es la verda solo el espiritu santo revela al jesucristo y su doctrina dios le bendiga todo el qleea este comentario
0530maribel 2 months ago
Jim wanted to be like Father Divine and tried to put his own spin on it, and it did not work as he lost all control in the end
Landesko 1 year ago
Oh, there was the answer to my own question that I posted on part 2. WHen he walks away at the end he puts his glasses on, so I take it that he only had them off to look good for the cameras. Thanks again for posting this!
sugarrrsmack 2 years ago
This was not real religion. Jim Jones was not a true follower of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, he was a disservice to the Body of Christ....
fnihp30 2 years ago
well that is why they called it A CULT
sugarrrsmack 2 years ago
I had a religious girlfriend in high school. She took me to Church a few times, until one time after mass she took me to a meeting. Everyone started crying and screaming that they were sinner. She ask me to do the same. Well, the point is I ended the relationship with her shortly.
wackypro 2 years ago 2
I don't know who you are, but you're the first person ever who has communicated with me about any connection (even philosophical) between Jones and Father Divine. He somehow attracted all these aged wonderful African American women with colorful, beautiful names like "Hyacinth Thrush'" of "Forever Rejoycing" to his Church in Redwood Valley. Please tell me what you know about this connection with the Father Divine group.
Thanks
David Gottlieb
davgot47 2 years ago 2
The book "Raven" explores the relationship between Jones and Father Divine. In his Indiana days, Jones thought he could take a shortcut to gaining an huge congregation by co-opting Divine's. After Divine died, he visited his widow and pretended to be embodied with Divine's spirit, but Mother Divine didn't fall for it.
seykayay 2 years ago
@davgot47 In the movie GUYANA TRAGEDY: THE STORY OF JUM JONES part 1, I think James Earl Jones played the role Father Divine.
67nairb 9 months ago
I wonder if Jim Jones would have died a 'natural death' and his followers regulated to obscurity & an occasional curiosity ,as has happened to his mentor Father Divine & his Peace Mission Movement,would people be second guessing & projecting about Jim Jonses psychology and 'hidden motives' as they are doing here?
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Yeah, from what I heard Bob Brown was a really nice person and should have lived a long and fruitful life,,,
davgot47 2 years ago
What year was this footage done? Also, I noticed how Jones shutdown communication at the end, but he was wearing the same outfit since the beginning. We you allowed in the church after this shutdown of communication, where he wanted you all to turn the cameras off so you couldn't film the healings?
Pllm30 2 years ago
@Pllm30 I don't think we tried to get into the church after that. I believe he only threw us out because if we had filmed the "healings", stuff like "throwing up cancers" would have been able to be analyzed as sleight of hand--phoney magic... However if I had come on that I just wanted to "sincerely" attend his church services they may have let me in--it was the filming that got us thrown out.
davgot47 9 months ago
@davgot47 thnx for responding. I bet it was an experience having met him esp. now after all that has happened. You must have left that meeting thinking how odd and strange he was.
Pllm30 9 months ago
This is weird and scary. He seemed almost normal, or about as normal as most eccentric preachers are - presentable, good to people and animals, concerned and caring, but showy and a bit egotistical. And yet I swear you can see something was 'off' underneath the surface. As if he was hidding something, or being kind of fake.
But one thing's for sure - he did not look like someone who was going to kill over 900 people. And please don't say they commited suicide. He KILLED them.
mikitavi 3 years ago 3
I agree with you. Those poor prople were murdered!
David Gottlieb
davgot47 3 years ago
Thanks for uploading these. Awesome
GgRrYyPpHhOoNn 3 years ago
It's sad in the way that he WAS a good person who was really trying to help people. It was nice when he was talking to the 96 yr old lady about swimming in the ocean, she called him father though, which is weird. All of those people worshiping him turned him into a deist.
GgRrYyPpHhOoNn 3 years ago 2
Jim Jones was called 'Father' & 'Dad' by his followers after he publicly in 1971 unilaterally claimed to be the only true successor & to the life & work of Father Divine.(He saw himself as Divine's succesor as early as 1958 & said so privatly to Father Divine & his staff)
yorubablk3 2 years ago
Thanks for uploading this. A lot of documentries don't show this side of Jim Jones. It was interesting watching him interact with the people and animals. I wonder what made him turn out the way he did.
paultheuglydog 3 years ago 2
Jim Jones was a master manipulator. I believe he got worse as time went on. He was also being consumed by paranoia. And I believe his paranoia was exasperated by drugs--speed, perhaps meth amphetamines administered by his nurses. I hate to make hitlerian comparisons--but they are there. He may have started out as a well-meaning preacher with
some socialistic leanings but evolved into a monstor responsible for the deaths of nearly 1000 people.
davgot47 3 years ago