A 2.6 liter reciprocating engine would burn this same amount. This confuses some people and makes them claim that rotary engines have twice the displacement their manufacturers claim they have. There is not right or wrong in this case. Rotary engines are different from reciprocating engines, so of course they need to be treated differently.
The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) defined way of measuring the displacement of a rotary is to measure the difference in volume of the combustion chamber between when it is at its largest and smallest. Since each rotor has three of these chambers and there is one combustion event per rotation of the eccentric shaft, a 1.3 liter rotary would burn 1.3 liters of fuel and air per eccentric shaft rotation.
Oh yeah.... larger engines typically respond better to bolt ons. You can have $1,000 worth of bolt ons(CAI, headers, hi flow cat, catback exhaust, larger throttle body, high flow plenum intake manifold, ported heads, header(s), etc) on a 230 hp RX-7 and only gain 10-15 hp, but you do that to a 300 hp mustang and you get 50-75+ hp!
You are completely correct on that one. Engines usually come from the factory incredibly restricted and bolt-ons open them up. The 13B comes incredibly well tuned from the factory, reducing the efficiency of bolt-ons. That doesn't make it a bad motor, just different. I agree completely, I wish bolt-ons did more. But they don't, so forced induction is the way to go. Thankfully, the rotary does respond well to that.
@Gaguratonix A 2.6 liter reciprocating engine would burn this same amount. This confuses some people and makes them claim that rotary engines have twice the displacement their manufacturers claim they have. There is not right or wrong in this case. Rotary engines are different from reciprocating engines, so of course they need to be treated differently.
The ignornace running rampant here is insane. The rotary engine in the Rx-8 is a 1.3 liter, period. These weird misconceptions about it being a 2.6l or whatever are completely false. Both rotor housings together are 1.3 liters. And a 400bhp Evo 6 might be impressive to you, but I just autocrossed my 8 last weekend against 5 STI's, an Evo IX and Evo X and I beat half the STIs and was only 1-3 seconds behind the rest. I'm not too far from stock so maybe the HP numbers aren't all that important?
I gotta say the RX-8 in this video is pretty good looking, I've always liked the look of them, however you can't be serious when you try to race them.. That's like someoen with a civic and a big wing racing.. It's redundant, even if you win; your car is still slow.
I drive a 400bhp Evo 6. I'll smash RX-8, I'll smash a Civic, I'll smash a STI, I've even smashed an Aston Martin db9 and a porche carrera-S .. You just can't compete. 2.0L 4cyl turbocharged 4g63 is where it's at.
@sethhorton92 I respect the fact you spend alot of time and money on your car, but too say a modded car will "smash" any factory car is not a good comparison test, you need a even playing field before smack talking can begin. I'm pretty sure any of those cars with equally supported modes will be stiff competition for your EVO, you may take a 2 car lead on the launch on all but the subby, but those others would real you in pretty fast for a close 1/4 mile race. just my OP.
@RcriderST185 actually if you look at the sticker prices and compare the $16k that my Evo is in pristine condition with low mileage and relatively all stock, it is cheaper if not just as expensive. RX 8's are just that expensive if not more expensive from the factory. Even a used RX 8 would be close to that price. Also I prefer 1/2 mile+ races, 1/4 mile isn't the all determining factor. Even supporting mods of a turbo and a straight pipe/catback exhaust would still end up losing. Just saying.
so since only 1/2 of a 03 cobra's pistons actually "fire" in one revolution, they have ~2.3 liters of displacement. They have 390 HP so that would be what? 169.5 HP per liter So face it your rotary sucks, the whole engine is 2.6 liters and just because the whole 2 rotors arent firing doesn't mean it is only 1.3 liters
@98MAzdaMilleniaS You are definitely wrong on this, I'm not sure where you got your information from or if you're just making an assumption, but the displacement of the motor is how much fluid the motor displaces when placed under water (hence total displacement or engine size) In your example, you're comparing a supercharged 4.6 liter to a N/A 1.3? There's something wrong with your example. Why not compare a quad turbo 8.0 liter engine? Man, that Cobra's not so impressive now, is it?
@Gaguratonix Bench racing favor car with no torque and a high peak horsepower number at a high rpm....... Here's how ricer and normal person argue,"YEAH BRO, I COULD HAVE AN 800 HP CIVIC !" "YEAH BRO, BUT IT STILL HAS 300 LB-FT......... AT 7,000 RPM! YOU HAVE LESS POWER THAN STOCK BELOW 5,000 RPM." RX-8 has less bottom end power than a 1.3 liter Honda Civic Hybrid, but that gets more than twice the gas mileage.
@98MAzdaMilleniaS Your arguments are still invalid. Not only are you wrong, but why do you keep comparing the most random crap? A Civic Hybrid? There's all electric drag cars that could stomp most vehicles on YouTube and guess what? No gas! Your comparisons don't make any sense. I'm assuming somewhere in your broken English you said 800 hp Civics have less than 300 tq and it's less than stock below 5k? The mess that falls out of your mouth doesn't make any sense. Sorry. :/
@Gaguratonix Import magazine made a 808 whp Civic and it made 308 lb-ft of torque @ 6800 rpm. So yes. Large displacement engines exist for torque! And not just peak torque, but torque band! Hence my inline 6 dynoes 240 lb-ft(to the flywheel), which is adequate for a 4.0 liter.... But it makes 90% of that by 1500 rpm. I rather have a torquier slightly slower car over a hp oriented car that i have to rev the shit out of to even move... or have both, Hence V8!
@98MAzdaMilleniaS Not saying that you can't make a 808whp civic that makes 300 torque, it all depends on the build. That doesn't mean that it will make less torque than stock down low. I agree, large displacement engines exist for torque, that wasn't the argument. The initial discussion was you said that the 13B Rotary engine isn't a 1.3, and you seemed to have a hard time understanding displacement. You brought up all the other stuff, I'm not arguing large displacement vs small. :P
I'm going to have to hop in on this one. Owned my 8 for a few years, 2004 120k miles, not a single issue. People turn small things into big ones. The flooding issues are a thing of the past, as are the coil problems. The only thing in the motor that can actually break is the apex seal. Inexpensive to replace, just labor intensive. Just like anything on the planet, if you're looking for issues, you'll find them.
@Gaguratonix i agree, i had a 2004 Rx8. Had issues with the engine early on, mazda replaced it for free, no problems with wanting money for stupid stuff. Other than that, the flooding issue was only at first, they fixed it with an ecu reflash. Loved my 8, just wish they had a little more TQ.
@Dawnc06 My only complaint is Torque. Maybe the new RX will solve that. The SkyActiv tech is incredibly impressive. Maybe combined with a rotary, we can get a vastly improved design.
Rotary engines are the way to go, They would be in so many more cars if they were more fuel efficent or if we had more oil.... but point is they wouldnt put these engines in planes and speed boats if they didnt kick ass. You can stack them to so if you had two 13B's you could stick them together. best part about a rotary, The engine doesnt stop producing power, the transmission will stop gaining speed before your engine ever will. (think of a bike riding down a hill you can pedel to a extent)
You know, the 1.3l rotatory engine is the most amazing engine I have ever had to deal with and the Rx-8 most amazing car I have ever driven. Amazing handling and if you maintain the engine right you will never have any issues. I have a 2004 with greddy exhaust, HKS cold air, cat delete pipe and some off brand headers and have yet to lose to anything in my cars class. I.e. S2000, 370z and of course mustangs. It's all how about you treat the car you drive.
I've owned both cars 0-60 they're actually pretty close. The 0-60 of 5.8-6.5 for manual RX8 are inaccurate. You'd have to dump it hard from at least 7k to try to come even close. The rear end in the RX8 would not be able to handle that too much. Its more practically like 7.0. The lude can get close to 7.0 with hardly dumping it if your good. But after 60, and especially after 80, stock for stock the RX8 destroys the Lude. In fact, 100+ the RX8 turns into a semi-supercar.
the rx8 wasnt made for drag racing. put any car in rx8 league or some that cost 5x as much vs the rx8 on the curcuit run and we will see who will win. lol just seen a stock rx8 spank a 500hp bmw m5 on the curcuit.
My boy's broke down I think the injectors broke or something there was gasoline in and all over the engine the mechanic said it's a common problem with rx8s
@22rsx maybe its not impressive on a straight drag race but its able to beat a lotus and a honda s2000 on the track stock (i know cuz ive done it) -thats impressive
@CanadiansSuck420 it may be able to, im not really sure. i think an S2000 would win has more hp is lighter and also revs to 9000 but it would be a good race either way.
ppl stop saying 1.3L engine with 230 hp is impressive, its a rotary engine. You cant compare that too a standard engine. No doubt its a great engine and won awards but the awards were in the 2-3L category
@22rsx Your right. But, I can't believe this engine won awards. It has to be the most unreliable engine ever made. Look up RX8 engine failure/problems. This is even for people who meticulously maintain the engine.
Love that Mazdaspeed wing.. Love my rx8 to death. Its an amazing car, only people who dis it are the ones who have never driven one. Its not about the speed, style or even horsepower. Its a amazing car that will smack you in drifting, will eat any car in turning and when boosted like the little euros will smack them in torque. I love these cars, anyone that says their slow, is an idiot. Cars like these were meant to be beat on, and you wont bllow an engine when youbounce off the redlin at 9800
@xFatalityHitPS3x so you really think the rx8 can outhandle most cars(evo,sti) riiiiiiiiiight and you also think they can get beat on (search google for rx8 problems) i dont think so its an average car and it looks good thats about it...
240HP from a 1.3 L engine. Basically level torque band, no peaks and drops. Some of the best handling available (Beats a 500HP+BMW/370 on track). Plus an engine that, when taken care of, will last an extremely long time.
I applause Mazda and their hard work into the RX series.
@Bacardirob12 idiots, who don`t do regular tune ups ends with replacing engines, just change the oil regulary, always warm up the engine and anything will work for a long time
Since I ran out of characters again last time, I'll tell you here:
I'm pretty much done. You can think whatever you want, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm sure your friend's RX-8 really is turbo, and I'm sure it's awesome. Also sure the stock RX-8 is pretty great by itself, to me. You can respond if you want, but I'm done responding to this pointless argument.
Did I ever say anything about an RX-8 with aluminum housings? No, I didn't. Read more closely.
Just a heads up, I really think you must be mistaken because, yes, they do have a turbo kit for sale on the Mazdaspeed website... But it's the Greddy bolt-on kit I mentioned a long time ago. It doesn't come factory on a car, and it's not actually Mazdaspeed's kit. Also, it's not a K04 turbo in that kit. I don't care enough to actually contact Mazda to prove you wrong though.
Just wanted to add, back in 2009 when I went to test drive an RX-8 (again.. what? they're nice) I asked about if they knew anything about a Mazdaspeed version of the RX-8 in the works. They said no, there wasn't. But then again I doubt if they even knew much about the 16X in development, because they're just a dealer. (Aluminum rotor housings? Good luck :D)
I doubt that in two years I wouldn't have heard about a factory turbo RX-8 that everyone has been wanting since 2004.
Alright, I'll be waiting. But what I'd really like to see is the owners manual, lol. Or a link to anything, anywhere, especially the mazdaspeed website, talking about a Mazdaspeed RX-8 turbo kit.
...but regardless I know that it's not a 'mazdaspeed turbo'. Maybe a 'Mazsport' turbo kit, which is completely different, but oh well. You're just mistaken. Mazda has their reasons for not making a turbo for the RX-8 available from the factory. Btw, I've been to the Mazda dealer plenty of times.
Trust me, it may be turbo, but its not stock. There never was (and probably never will be) a factory RX-8 with a turbo. There is no mazdaspeed turbo for the RX-8. I even checked again just to make sure.
Chances are it's a Greddy turbo, last time I looked that was the most popular RX-8 turbo setup.
Actually, you know what? You win. I give up. I only have RX-7s anyway, not 8s, what do I know? The stock RX-8 is for girls, mazdaspeed makes a badass turbo, and only fags drive miatas. Better?
Okay, listen: Yes, there are mazdaspeed performance parts, dealing with suspension and aerodynamics for the RX-8. But you can't /BUY/ a 'Mazdaspeed RX-8', only mazdaspeed /parts/ for your RX-8.
You can, however /BUY/ a Mazdaspeed3, or in the past 6, or even further in the past, a protege or Miata. However, there is no Mazdaspeed turbo for the RX-8 and there won't be.
Also, the RX-8 was designed chassis up to be a sports car, Youtube doesn't give me enough characters to explain why, though.
To my knowledge Mazda has never released a turbo RX-8 package of any kind. Also, your definition of 'sports car' is obviously different from mine, so lets leave it at that.
The whole basis of your argument that they're designed for girls is a stupid one to begin with, because, who honestly gives a shit? Facts: Both the RX-8 and the Miata are really, really great driver's cars. There's a REASON spec miata is so popular, you know.
I don't even know where to begin, you obviously don't even know anything about the RX-8 to be saying it's not a sports car. You must see girls driving an auto RX-8, and assume it's a Geo Metro with a high redline and a sleeker body?
The 'mazdaspeed package' you speak about so highly, is really just some suspension bits and ugly body kit. The new "R3" package is more of the same. Mazda doesn't really mess with the Renesis much for power gains. Also, originally the Miata was designed based on the concept of a classic British sports car, and ending up appealing very highly to women, thus they marketed it that way, but it hasn't changed much since it was introduced. It's still a sports car first, so it doesn't matter. (contd)
So, you're just trolling right? Because I can't believe any sensible person would actually think that beyond a joke, lol. Or maybe you just don't like driver's cars, only 'fast cars'?
I love my 8. I just wish it was as fast as at least a 350z and it didn't guzzle down gas and oil as quickly as it does, but I guess that's a couple of the things to expect from a sports car. Also, why do turbo kits have to be so pricey for this car?
haha i would do some research b4 you say it was intended for girls cause i really don't think girls would know what to do when handling a rotary and yeah i know 60 yr olds that drives a mazda speed proteges and they are old. so im taking from your point of view since rich16 year old girls (underage so you must be seeing alot of them) cause the car isn't cheap so what that just means they love the way the rx8 looks and not some thing a dude should be ashamed about at all.
Lol you guys are so retarded for saying the 8 is 'just like the 7', the 8 in this vid didn't change down a gear to accelerate which is why it pulled slowly and the engine in the 8 is far better than the 7 for reliability. There are RX8s in the UK with well over 100k on the first engine.
As for it being a girls car? Not at all, it's mostly driven by guys who love the feel of a well balanced car. I'm 22 and girls love my car, gets loads of attention
@ChromeMan04 OK, now you're just sounding like a retard. What makes a car a chick car anyways? So, if you see a bunch of girls driving a Porsche, does that make it chick car? That's like calling a Prelude a "manly" car or w/e you think is in your opinion when FWD+ Honda= "Manly" which is obviously not. Judging YOUR comment, YOU sound like you're an ignorant douche.
@wajalama Calm down there bloke no need to get mad over childish reasons. I was practicly saying that mostly girls would be caught driving in an Rx-8 jus like a lot of them drive miatas, but hey if you like the rx-8 go for it i won't juduge.
@ChromeMan04 rx8 and miata are mostly for girls? you certainly don't know what you're talking about xD in terms of rx8... i have only seen 2, driven by guys, but that's not enough to say it its mostly driven by girls or guys. but the visual is for both. and miatas? what a lol. it's for everyone. it didnt become the most famous roadster being driven only by girls... lol
@Zyphon400 Lol ya i know what you mean. There's this rx-8 which always rolls around my high school to pick up his brother, its owned by a guy so i know what you mean, they arn't only driven by girls.
I know I/H/E provide a slight increase in performance, whats mods to an H22a prelude give a definite feel of change in performance for the H22A, more so than I/H/E, cams perhaps? I have a prelude and am curious.
It is a terrible shame Mazda didn't think about upping the power in the RX-8, such a great looking and handling car, but barely pulls on an automatic prelude.
@20bwannab I didn't say it doesn't pull, but still, two car lengths? Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of rotary cars and have owned two FC turbos and an FD and I love the way the RX-8 looks and handles, but even car mags and test drivers have commented on its lack of power. That is why Patrick Dempsey's RX-8s have three rotor engines.
yeah i would believe it would be a even race then but only thing that i've heard the rx8 lacks the lower end torque which i understand cause i have one but its the fastest car i ever drove but you really can't count this race cause of the traffic ahead but from the time they started the race the rx8 pulled from the prelude and the lude auto or not has more power to the wheels
the rx8 does not have 236 that was a manufacturer mistake just like the mpg was but most rx8 make around 170-190 hp and rated hp is nothing cause there is drive train loss but they should be equal
@20bwannab the 236 is base not at the wheels same as the jspec puts out 220 base hp. Rx8 vs a stock lude stock vs stock would walk on the lude every time.
yeah i know thats what i said that 236 was break hp not to to wheels so im saying that they are pretty equal when it comes down to wheel hp. i just never go on what the rated hp is just to the wheels hp cause when i got my rx8 came out the window sticker said 247hp which isn't true at all.
@battleborn7 I have an 8 and the point of it was to keep the tradition of the Rotary engine going. The engineering behind the engine and suspension is amazing and its a truly unique car. So what if it cant drive fast in a straight line, get behind the wheel of one and take a corner and you'll get a huge smile and forget about the lack of power from the engine (which ranks 5 highest hp:liter after ferrari, lamborghini and other supercar companies.)
I am curretnly driving my friend rx8. we exchange cars for the week lol i lend him borrow my STI and let me tell you, the rx8 handles so beautiful! I don't care if it lacks power, but the handling is so fucking amazing! handles better than my subie! I'm a rotary enthusiast ! drive an 82 12a supercharger and i am going EFI!!
@rs200000000000 I don't own any rotary cars anymore. I have bought a VW recently (for gas mileage) and I will save the LS2 for an S10 truggy I want to build.
@battleborn7 Im sorry but this generation of RX8 has always had the same horsepower. Perhaps you're refering to a FD RX-7, which is an entirely different car.
@HIIMRAVI2 they did it because it doesnt have cylinders like normal motors its a rotory motor, and the only reason it makes that power is because it revs really high. the only downfall to that motor is that it makes almost no torque
@hell13fire they make the same if not more torque then the prelude stock... and the torque curve is pretty much flat so you have even torque across the hole rpm range... that one thing that makes the rotary better.. it may not have the highest torque but it does not get to a peak torque and then just drop :D
@HIIMRAVI2 actually not really, it's a 1.3 in a rotary, not a piston engine. the general rule of thumb is to multiply the rotary's displacement to by approx. 2 so the 1.3 is more like a 2.6 v6 in a piston engine, not all that impressive, but the engine did win It won International Engine of the Year and Best New Engine awards 2003 in the 2.5-3.0 category. more impressive is the lotus elise or even the honda s2000. sorry for the sermon, i'm at work.
@HIIMRAVI2 it has two 1.3L engine so if you put it together its 2.6L Rotary Engine.. which means each 1.3L Engine has approximately 165HP... just saying...
@GenjiSama91 well the newer civic base civics. New Si's are 2.0 and pull 210 HP. older ones were 1.6 and did 160hp. then integras come with b18's 1.8L inches pulling 180-190 hp
@hernandadmx LOLOl, i promise you this is not true, then new civics yeah ur good, but with the older ones,...umm no, maybe 130chp and 105whp, and i drive a teg and know that the b18 doesn't produce that kind of power, stock atleast
@hernandadmx Who are you getting ur facts from, b/c you need to cut them loose. B18B~145hp, B18C1~160, B18C (j-spec itr) ~180hp, b18C ((later model) us-spec)~195. So at this point ur probably thinking that's what i said, well ur wrong, all these are CHP numbers not WHP, there's on average a 15-20% power loss in the drivetrain, i've leave that math to you, but even on the highest hp motor i listed that puts it at about 160, ideally, but we all know cars don't run perfect statistics
@graciebarrabjjstuden See that little wavy line, kinda looks like "~" that means about....just sayin, each motor will dyno a lil differently based on age and how well it was assembled/taken car of. So never put an "=" when talking about hp numbers cuz some asshat will try to prove he's smarter than you
@kamatayan234 Are you serious? The Rx-8 does in fact not have "two 1.3L engines inside making it a 2.6L"
It actually has 2 Rotors each with 650cc of displacement. So it has two .65L put together. So when talking about RX-8s make sure to say that each engine has approximatley 232HP cause they only have one engine
@fnsonicrick It is 1.3 liter in terms of a rotary engine.The full displacement is really 3.9L but that's after a full rotation of the 2 rotors,but a full rotation of the rotary engine is really 3 full rotations in a piston engine so Mazda divides the 3.9 by 3.If you put rotations and all that crap aside,the 1.3liter is the size of each rotors chamber,and the engine has 2. So really, just by adding the displacement of each chamber, the RX8 can be considered a 2.6L V6(in terms of piston engines).
@Maxunit101 That is so factually inaccurate, I don't even know where to start. Let me try anyway. When a single piston goes through the 4 stroke combustion cycle, the crankshaft (output shaft) must rotate twice, or 720 degrees. In this 720 degrees, every piston will fire. In 720 degrees with a rotary, four faces will have fired. That's two faces for each rotor. Each face's chamber displaces 654 cc. 654 * 4 = 2,616. 2.616 Liters.
@fnsonicrick The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) defined way of measuring the displacement of a rotary is to measure the difference in volume of the combustion chamber between when it is at its largest and smallest. Since each rotor has three of these chambers and there is one combustion event per rotation of the eccentric shaft, a 1.3 liter rotary would burn 1.3 liters of fuel and air per eccentric shaft rotation.
@HIIMRAVI2 they rate it at 1.3 liters but in actuallity it is more than that. Regardless of what you think the displacment is, the fact is the "measured' displacment is 1.3 liters. Both rotors (when fired) will only ignite 1.3 liters of mixture at any given time. Guess what Sherlock... the other face still has to wait its turn to produce power. It is true that the engine will consume 2.6 liter of air in "2" rotations of its eccentric shaft, there for it IS 2.6 liters. SWEET....
@battleborn7 Both of these cars are severely underpowered. Many Prelude fans also wish their car was made with more power. At least Mazda put 230HP and RWD. We Prelude fans got left with a nice looking sporty car but with an Inline 4 with only 200HP, even less torque, and FWD =(
i have owned a prelude and sold it for an rx8, i miss the lude but after switching back to rwd i realized that fwd is predictable and boring... and me being an adrenaline junky the first time i got sideways i instantly said fuck fwd lol... the lude had way more tq though... but what can i say im a rotard. = )
fucking prelude douche owner you dint even go on your own honk . thats why you got your pussy smack sideways and handed to you. fuck retards like you make me mad im a lude owner and i ate one after he was ahead of mee. dammm your lame
rx8 is a great car. unique style, fantastic unique rotary engine . is not the fastest car but I love mine because of looks & comfortable sport ride. by the way I more man than you dra60nf1r3 . thats why I love my rx8 extra room for my wife & son lol.
@DRA60NF1R3 There is no way in hell that your stock prelude can compete with an RX8 in the corners on the track. Even on the straightaways you still lose.Your car has about 120 hp compared to 240 on the RX8. An RX8 in the right hands will compete against e46 M3's on the track.
@renesisrx8 you are a complete dumbass. an m3? no. thats not a comparison. and a stock prelude s model has 140hp the si has 160 and 156lbs of torque and the vtec has 197 and 164 lbs of torque. shut up. u have no idea what your talking about. 120hp stock? hahaha retard. i bet u dont even know what car replaced the prelude.
@DRA60NF1R3 Have you ever heard of Top Gear? On their test track the rx8 had the same time as an M3. The RX8 is a very good handling car. You obviously have no idea about this because you drive a fwd prelude. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if your "prelude" was actually a tricycle. Trust me when I tell you, that I do know what I'm talking about, especially when it comes to the RX8. And based on what you said your car's 140 hp is still less than the Rx8's 240. So no matter what, you lose.
@renesisrx8 yeah i have heard of top gear. and i know what im talking about too. the rx-8 would lose horribly in the straight to a m3. an m3 e46 has 333hp vs that piece of shit rotary with 240. i have the prelude si h23 automatic and still get a second gear scratch out of it. i dragged with a 08 rx-8 and won the 60ft lost by .001 in the 330ft and lost by .38 of a second. not even a full half second. so shut up the rx-8 is gay. and u still never told me what car took over the prelude.
@DRA60NF1R3 Yes an RX8 would lose to an M3 in a straightaway. Not on a real circuit, however. You dragged against ONE rx8, and that makes you an expert now eh? And I have no idea why you are still talking since you lost. I don't claim to be a Honda expert but the successor was the s2000, which is a great car. Although, the prelude is more closely related to the accord coupe. I respect all car companies and it pisses me off when some punk starts bashing something he doesnt understand.
@renesisrx8 yeah i understand. your talking about a car that u dont know anything about. my car in 1992 NEW costs the same as an 2010 rx8. rotaries are gay.
@DRA60NF1R3 i agree rotaries are gay, i have a 98 prelude type Sh, with a h22a euro r in it with a 5 speed lsd, type s intake and dc headers, and i would of ate that rx8
@PANT3N3 I love how you honda owners cant just say i have a honda prelude... but no its ", i have a 98 prelude type Sh, with a h22a euro r in it with a 5 speed lsd, type s intake and dc headers" where we RX8 guys just say I HAVE A RX8 and guess what... intant respect
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A 2.6 liter reciprocating engine would burn this same amount. This confuses some people and makes them claim that rotary engines have twice the displacement their manufacturers claim they have. There is not right or wrong in this case. Rotary engines are different from reciprocating engines, so of course they need to be treated differently.
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The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) defined way of measuring the displacement of a rotary is to measure the difference in volume of the combustion chamber between when it is at its largest and smallest. Since each rotor has three of these chambers and there is one combustion event per rotation of the eccentric shaft, a 1.3 liter rotary would burn 1.3 liters of fuel and air per eccentric shaft rotation.
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Oh yeah.... larger engines typically respond better to bolt ons. You can have $1,000 worth of bolt ons(CAI, headers, hi flow cat, catback exhaust, larger throttle body, high flow plenum intake manifold, ported heads, header(s), etc) on a 230 hp RX-7 and only gain 10-15 hp, but you do that to a 300 hp mustang and you get 50-75+ hp!
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You are completely correct on that one. Engines usually come from the factory incredibly restricted and bolt-ons open them up. The 13B comes incredibly well tuned from the factory, reducing the efficiency of bolt-ons. That doesn't make it a bad motor, just different. I agree completely, I wish bolt-ons did more. But they don't, so forced induction is the way to go. Thankfully, the rotary does respond well to that.
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@Gaguratonix A 2.6 liter reciprocating engine would burn this same amount. This confuses some people and makes them claim that rotary engines have twice the displacement their manufacturers claim they have. There is not right or wrong in this case. Rotary engines are different from reciprocating engines, so of course they need to be treated differently.
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
The ignornace running rampant here is insane. The rotary engine in the Rx-8 is a 1.3 liter, period. These weird misconceptions about it being a 2.6l or whatever are completely false. Both rotor housings together are 1.3 liters. And a 400bhp Evo 6 might be impressive to you, but I just autocrossed my 8 last weekend against 5 STI's, an Evo IX and Evo X and I beat half the STIs and was only 1-3 seconds behind the rest. I'm not too far from stock so maybe the HP numbers aren't all that important?
Gaguratonix 2 weeks ago
rx8 is new not alot of mods out there for it yet but theres turbo that increases 232hp to 500hp so that can beat the evo 6.
chuco177 3 weeks ago
I really don't like rx8's but shit that one is amazing.
GoonOnFire 1 month ago
more wind please
jdmlude357 1 month ago
I gotta say the RX-8 in this video is pretty good looking, I've always liked the look of them, however you can't be serious when you try to race them.. That's like someoen with a civic and a big wing racing.. It's redundant, even if you win; your car is still slow.
I drive a 400bhp Evo 6. I'll smash RX-8, I'll smash a Civic, I'll smash a STI, I've even smashed an Aston Martin db9 and a porche carrera-S .. You just can't compete. 2.0L 4cyl turbocharged 4g63 is where it's at.
sethhorton92 1 month ago
@sethhorton92 I respect the fact you spend alot of time and money on your car, but too say a modded car will "smash" any factory car is not a good comparison test, you need a even playing field before smack talking can begin. I'm pretty sure any of those cars with equally supported modes will be stiff competition for your EVO, you may take a 2 car lead on the launch on all but the subby, but those others would real you in pretty fast for a close 1/4 mile race. just my OP.
RcriderST185 1 month ago
@RcriderST185 actually if you look at the sticker prices and compare the $16k that my Evo is in pristine condition with low mileage and relatively all stock, it is cheaper if not just as expensive. RX 8's are just that expensive if not more expensive from the factory. Even a used RX 8 would be close to that price. Also I prefer 1/2 mile+ races, 1/4 mile isn't the all determining factor. Even supporting mods of a turbo and a straight pipe/catback exhaust would still end up losing. Just saying.
sethhorton92 1 month ago
WOW there is alot of ignorance in these comments.......
MrSweetleaf92 1 month ago
i thought liters of displacement meant the size of the engine, not the volume of air it breathes in every combustion...
gioluevano 1 month ago
For all of you uneducated posters that think it it makes 232 hp from 1.3 liters then inform yourselves and read the posts below !
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 months ago
so since only 1/2 of a 03 cobra's pistons actually "fire" in one revolution, they have ~2.3 liters of displacement. They have 390 HP so that would be what? 169.5 HP per liter So face it your rotary sucks, the whole engine is 2.6 liters and just because the whole 2 rotors arent firing doesn't mean it is only 1.3 liters
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 months ago
@98MAzdaMilleniaS You are definitely wrong on this, I'm not sure where you got your information from or if you're just making an assumption, but the displacement of the motor is how much fluid the motor displaces when placed under water (hence total displacement or engine size) In your example, you're comparing a supercharged 4.6 liter to a N/A 1.3? There's something wrong with your example. Why not compare a quad turbo 8.0 liter engine? Man, that Cobra's not so impressive now, is it?
Gaguratonix 2 weeks ago
@Gaguratonix Bench racing favor car with no torque and a high peak horsepower number at a high rpm....... Here's how ricer and normal person argue,"YEAH BRO, I COULD HAVE AN 800 HP CIVIC !" "YEAH BRO, BUT IT STILL HAS 300 LB-FT......... AT 7,000 RPM! YOU HAVE LESS POWER THAN STOCK BELOW 5,000 RPM." RX-8 has less bottom end power than a 1.3 liter Honda Civic Hybrid, but that gets more than twice the gas mileage.
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
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98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
@98MAzdaMilleniaS Your arguments are still invalid. Not only are you wrong, but why do you keep comparing the most random crap? A Civic Hybrid? There's all electric drag cars that could stomp most vehicles on YouTube and guess what? No gas! Your comparisons don't make any sense. I'm assuming somewhere in your broken English you said 800 hp Civics have less than 300 tq and it's less than stock below 5k? The mess that falls out of your mouth doesn't make any sense. Sorry. :/
Gaguratonix 2 weeks ago
@Gaguratonix Import magazine made a 808 whp Civic and it made 308 lb-ft of torque @ 6800 rpm. So yes. Large displacement engines exist for torque! And not just peak torque, but torque band! Hence my inline 6 dynoes 240 lb-ft(to the flywheel), which is adequate for a 4.0 liter.... But it makes 90% of that by 1500 rpm. I rather have a torquier slightly slower car over a hp oriented car that i have to rev the shit out of to even move... or have both, Hence V8!
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
@98MAzdaMilleniaS Not saying that you can't make a 808whp civic that makes 300 torque, it all depends on the build. That doesn't mean that it will make less torque than stock down low. I agree, large displacement engines exist for torque, that wasn't the argument. The initial discussion was you said that the 13B Rotary engine isn't a 1.3, and you seemed to have a hard time understanding displacement. You brought up all the other stuff, I'm not arguing large displacement vs small. :P
Gaguratonix 2 weeks ago
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98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
same thing happened when my friends raced. lol rx8 took it easy
bboy1motive 3 months ago
honda is the best retarded mazda is a shit
frashox 3 months ago
@frashox dude, please don't go that way even though i like hondas. but seriously you have to have a wider perspective.
aaaaflasd 2 months ago
I'm going to have to hop in on this one. Owned my 8 for a few years, 2004 120k miles, not a single issue. People turn small things into big ones. The flooding issues are a thing of the past, as are the coil problems. The only thing in the motor that can actually break is the apex seal. Inexpensive to replace, just labor intensive. Just like anything on the planet, if you're looking for issues, you'll find them.
Gaguratonix 4 months ago 5
@Gaguratonix i agree, i had a 2004 Rx8. Had issues with the engine early on, mazda replaced it for free, no problems with wanting money for stupid stuff. Other than that, the flooding issue was only at first, they fixed it with an ecu reflash. Loved my 8, just wish they had a little more TQ.
Dawnc06 3 weeks ago
@Dawnc06 My only complaint is Torque. Maybe the new RX will solve that. The SkyActiv tech is incredibly impressive. Maybe combined with a rotary, we can get a vastly improved design.
Gaguratonix 2 weeks ago
Rotary engines are the way to go, They would be in so many more cars if they were more fuel efficent or if we had more oil.... but point is they wouldnt put these engines in planes and speed boats if they didnt kick ass. You can stack them to so if you had two 13B's you could stick them together. best part about a rotary, The engine doesnt stop producing power, the transmission will stop gaining speed before your engine ever will. (think of a bike riding down a hill you can pedel to a extent)
rage690 5 months ago
Hop your camera falls out the window
koldkilax 5 months ago
You know, the 1.3l rotatory engine is the most amazing engine I have ever had to deal with and the Rx-8 most amazing car I have ever driven. Amazing handling and if you maintain the engine right you will never have any issues. I have a 2004 with greddy exhaust, HKS cold air, cat delete pipe and some off brand headers and have yet to lose to anything in my cars class. I.e. S2000, 370z and of course mustangs. It's all how about you treat the car you drive.
USNKreios 5 months ago
Nice video!!!
Stefanthenightwalker 6 months ago
I've owned both cars 0-60 they're actually pretty close. The 0-60 of 5.8-6.5 for manual RX8 are inaccurate. You'd have to dump it hard from at least 7k to try to come even close. The rear end in the RX8 would not be able to handle that too much. Its more practically like 7.0. The lude can get close to 7.0 with hardly dumping it if your good. But after 60, and especially after 80, stock for stock the RX8 destroys the Lude. In fact, 100+ the RX8 turns into a semi-supercar.
Tokkitaco 6 months ago
the rx8 wasnt made for drag racing. put any car in rx8 league or some that cost 5x as much vs the rx8 on the curcuit run and we will see who will win. lol just seen a stock rx8 spank a 500hp bmw m5 on the curcuit.
TheBosanac23 7 months ago
My boy's broke down I think the injectors broke or something there was gasoline in and all over the engine the mechanic said it's a common problem with rx8s
diddy150 7 months ago
@diddy150 sounds like your boy flooded his engine...
warez1911 6 months ago
@22rsx maybe its not impressive on a straight drag race but its able to beat a lotus and a honda s2000 on the track stock (i know cuz ive done it) -thats impressive
CanadiansSuck420 7 months ago
@CanadiansSuck420 it may be able to, im not really sure. i think an S2000 would win has more hp is lighter and also revs to 9000 but it would be a good race either way.
22rsx 7 months ago
ppl stop saying 1.3L engine with 230 hp is impressive, its a rotary engine. You cant compare that too a standard engine. No doubt its a great engine and won awards but the awards were in the 2-3L category
22rsx 7 months ago
@22rsx Your right. But, I can't believe this engine won awards. It has to be the most unreliable engine ever made. Look up RX8 engine failure/problems. This is even for people who meticulously maintain the engine.
Tokkitaco 6 months ago
do you really think your gonna beat an rx-8? its got a rotery engine. which is light as fuck too! :DD
BRO1Productions 7 months ago
Love that Mazdaspeed wing.. Love my rx8 to death. Its an amazing car, only people who dis it are the ones who have never driven one. Its not about the speed, style or even horsepower. Its a amazing car that will smack you in drifting, will eat any car in turning and when boosted like the little euros will smack them in torque. I love these cars, anyone that says their slow, is an idiot. Cars like these were meant to be beat on, and you wont bllow an engine when youbounce off the redlin at 9800
xFatalityHitPS3x 7 months ago
@xFatalityHitPS3x so you really think the rx8 can outhandle most cars(evo,sti) riiiiiiiiiight and you also think they can get beat on (search google for rx8 problems) i dont think so its an average car and it looks good thats about it...
freddyway 6 months ago
rx7 is better
arson519 7 months ago
240HP from a 1.3 L engine. Basically level torque band, no peaks and drops. Some of the best handling available (Beats a 500HP+BMW/370 on track). Plus an engine that, when taken care of, will last an extremely long time.
I applause Mazda and their hard work into the RX series.
magicataglance 8 months ago 2
240hp from a 1.3 ROTARY not piston. the 1.3 is more like a 2.6 v6 piston engine, so no not really impressive. honda s2000 much better hp/litre
19danflo 6 months ago
what a shitty exhaust. both cars sound bad, but the rx sounds worse than the rice-can honduh hahhahah ohhhh yes i did!
corollafrenzy 8 months ago
@srt4slow not that big? you are saying greddy only makes big turbos?
Tj1056 8 months ago
yeah to bad the RX-8 engine BLOWS!!!!! Enjoy the trips back to Mazda to get ur engines replaced!!
:)
Bacardirob12 8 months ago
@Bacardirob12 idiots, who don`t do regular tune ups ends with replacing engines, just change the oil regulary, always warm up the engine and anything will work for a long time
Kalcijs777 8 months ago
@Bacardirob12 to bad you BLOW!!!
TazFC3s 8 months ago
@Bacardirob12 i have 80,000 miles on my engine. Not one single issue
Reaction92 8 months ago
Since I ran out of characters again last time, I'll tell you here:
I'm pretty much done. You can think whatever you want, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm sure your friend's RX-8 really is turbo, and I'm sure it's awesome. Also sure the stock RX-8 is pretty great by itself, to me. You can respond if you want, but I'm done responding to this pointless argument.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
Did I ever say anything about an RX-8 with aluminum housings? No, I didn't. Read more closely.
Just a heads up, I really think you must be mistaken because, yes, they do have a turbo kit for sale on the Mazdaspeed website... But it's the Greddy bolt-on kit I mentioned a long time ago. It doesn't come factory on a car, and it's not actually Mazdaspeed's kit. Also, it's not a K04 turbo in that kit. I don't care enough to actually contact Mazda to prove you wrong though.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
Just wanted to add, back in 2009 when I went to test drive an RX-8 (again.. what? they're nice) I asked about if they knew anything about a Mazdaspeed version of the RX-8 in the works. They said no, there wasn't. But then again I doubt if they even knew much about the 16X in development, because they're just a dealer. (Aluminum rotor housings? Good luck :D)
I doubt that in two years I wouldn't have heard about a factory turbo RX-8 that everyone has been wanting since 2004.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
Alright, I'll be waiting. But what I'd really like to see is the owners manual, lol. Or a link to anything, anywhere, especially the mazdaspeed website, talking about a Mazdaspeed RX-8 turbo kit.
...but regardless I know that it's not a 'mazdaspeed turbo'. Maybe a 'Mazsport' turbo kit, which is completely different, but oh well. You're just mistaken. Mazda has their reasons for not making a turbo for the RX-8 available from the factory. Btw, I've been to the Mazda dealer plenty of times.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
Trust me, it may be turbo, but its not stock. There never was (and probably never will be) a factory RX-8 with a turbo. There is no mazdaspeed turbo for the RX-8. I even checked again just to make sure.
Chances are it's a Greddy turbo, last time I looked that was the most popular RX-8 turbo setup.
Actually, you know what? You win. I give up. I only have RX-7s anyway, not 8s, what do I know? The stock RX-8 is for girls, mazdaspeed makes a badass turbo, and only fags drive miatas. Better?
TKDWolf 8 months ago
Okay, listen: Yes, there are mazdaspeed performance parts, dealing with suspension and aerodynamics for the RX-8. But you can't /BUY/ a 'Mazdaspeed RX-8', only mazdaspeed /parts/ for your RX-8.
You can, however /BUY/ a Mazdaspeed3, or in the past 6, or even further in the past, a protege or Miata. However, there is no Mazdaspeed turbo for the RX-8 and there won't be.
Also, the RX-8 was designed chassis up to be a sports car, Youtube doesn't give me enough characters to explain why, though.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
To my knowledge Mazda has never released a turbo RX-8 package of any kind. Also, your definition of 'sports car' is obviously different from mine, so lets leave it at that.
TKDWolf 8 months ago
The whole basis of your argument that they're designed for girls is a stupid one to begin with, because, who honestly gives a shit? Facts: Both the RX-8 and the Miata are really, really great driver's cars. There's a REASON spec miata is so popular, you know.
I don't even know where to begin, you obviously don't even know anything about the RX-8 to be saying it's not a sports car. You must see girls driving an auto RX-8, and assume it's a Geo Metro with a high redline and a sleeker body?
TKDWolf 8 months ago
The 'mazdaspeed package' you speak about so highly, is really just some suspension bits and ugly body kit. The new "R3" package is more of the same. Mazda doesn't really mess with the Renesis much for power gains. Also, originally the Miata was designed based on the concept of a classic British sports car, and ending up appealing very highly to women, thus they marketed it that way, but it hasn't changed much since it was introduced. It's still a sports car first, so it doesn't matter. (contd)
TKDWolf 8 months ago
So, you're just trolling right? Because I can't believe any sensible person would actually think that beyond a joke, lol. Or maybe you just don't like driver's cars, only 'fast cars'?
TKDWolf 8 months ago
I love my 8. I just wish it was as fast as at least a 350z and it didn't guzzle down gas and oil as quickly as it does, but I guess that's a couple of the things to expect from a sports car. Also, why do turbo kits have to be so pricey for this car?
fabiandesignz 9 months ago
An S2000 is more of a challenge
MaddDogg81 9 months ago
They have superchargers and turbos for that, at least they keep aftermarket parts manufactures in business =D
Urmom882 10 months ago
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brettly2005 10 months ago
Hey, nice job your car sounds like shit.
brettly2005 10 months ago
@srt4slow
haha i would do some research b4 you say it was intended for girls cause i really don't think girls would know what to do when handling a rotary and yeah i know 60 yr olds that drives a mazda speed proteges and they are old. so im taking from your point of view since rich16 year old girls (underage so you must be seeing alot of them) cause the car isn't cheap so what that just means they love the way the rx8 looks and not some thing a dude should be ashamed about at all.
20bwannab 11 months ago
wow auto lude and the lead wasnt even that big....
saudikid 11 months ago
its an automatic lude
kyser56 11 months ago
Is this on the PA turnpike? Where in PA u from
Ivank1001 11 months ago
Only problem with an rx-8 is that is sounds like a lawn mower
This1Affliction 11 months ago
the new rx8 sucks i walk on them bad with my b20 vt civic hatch.but i love the older 93. .94 rx7
MyHappyshit 11 months ago
Lol you guys are so retarded for saying the 8 is 'just like the 7', the 8 in this vid didn't change down a gear to accelerate which is why it pulled slowly and the engine in the 8 is far better than the 7 for reliability. There are RX8s in the UK with well over 100k on the first engine.
As for it being a girls car? Not at all, it's mostly driven by guys who love the feel of a well balanced car. I'm 22 and girls love my car, gets loads of attention
Detsawm 1 year ago
rx8 is a chicks car dude
ChromeMan04 1 year ago
@ChromeMan04 Well, yeah, isn't that a good thing..? I would want a car that girls are attracted to.
wajalama 1 year ago
@wajalama if ur a girl yes, but juding but your comment you sound hetrosexual
ChromeMan04 1 year ago
@ChromeMan04 OK, now you're just sounding like a retard. What makes a car a chick car anyways? So, if you see a bunch of girls driving a Porsche, does that make it chick car? That's like calling a Prelude a "manly" car or w/e you think is in your opinion when FWD+ Honda= "Manly" which is obviously not. Judging YOUR comment, YOU sound like you're an ignorant douche.
wajalama 1 year ago
@wajalama Calm down there bloke no need to get mad over childish reasons. I was practicly saying that mostly girls would be caught driving in an Rx-8 jus like a lot of them drive miatas, but hey if you like the rx-8 go for it i won't juduge.
ChromeMan04 1 year ago
@ChromeMan04 Just stating my opinion. :P
wajalama 1 year ago
@ChromeMan04 rx8 and miata are mostly for girls? you certainly don't know what you're talking about xD in terms of rx8... i have only seen 2, driven by guys, but that's not enough to say it its mostly driven by girls or guys. but the visual is for both. and miatas? what a lol. it's for everyone. it didnt become the most famous roadster being driven only by girls... lol
Zyphon400 1 year ago
@Zyphon400 Lol ya i know what you mean. There's this rx-8 which always rolls around my high school to pick up his brother, its owned by a guy so i know what you mean, they arn't only driven by girls.
ChromeMan04 11 months ago
ms spoiler!! yayah
orochiThing 1 year ago
Thats one sick looking RX8
TheDodgeViper 1 year ago
prelude will live on , rx8 will need a new motor soon! and you know it! just like rx-7's
shoesalesmanBundy 1 year ago 2
@shoesalesmanBundy so true! XD thats why i love my lude!
flipboards47 6 months ago
@shoesalesmanBundy
yeah it will
tasoulinh 5 months ago
learn how to use a camera
shadowimpreza17 1 year ago
Ol Lou Anne destroys most any rx8 that pulls up beside er
suckitulilbitch 1 year ago
i used to drive an 8...it gets the same mpg as a f250
PaleRider626 1 year ago 2
I know I/H/E provide a slight increase in performance, whats mods to an H22a prelude give a definite feel of change in performance for the H22A, more so than I/H/E, cams perhaps? I have a prelude and am curious.
laxman1337 1 year ago
It is a terrible shame Mazda didn't think about upping the power in the RX-8, such a great looking and handling car, but barely pulls on an automatic prelude.
battleborn7 1 year ago 29
@battleborn7
what are you talking about that rx8 takes off from the auto prelude
20bwannab 11 months ago
@20bwannab I didn't say it doesn't pull, but still, two car lengths? Don't get me wrong I am a huge fan of rotary cars and have owned two FC turbos and an FD and I love the way the RX-8 looks and handles, but even car mags and test drivers have commented on its lack of power. That is why Patrick Dempsey's RX-8s have three rotor engines.
battleborn7 11 months ago
@20bwannab Throw a lude in with a five speed and bolt ons and it is an even race.
battleborn7 11 months ago
@battleborn7
yeah i would believe it would be a even race then but only thing that i've heard the rx8 lacks the lower end torque which i understand cause i have one but its the fastest car i ever drove but you really can't count this race cause of the traffic ahead but from the time they started the race the rx8 pulled from the prelude and the lude auto or not has more power to the wheels
20bwannab 11 months ago
@20bwannab no it does not i have owned 2 preludes one having a h22a j-spec swap in it. 220 hp on the j-spec the 6 speed rx8 is 236.
R6carter 11 months ago
@R6carter
the rx8 does not have 236 that was a manufacturer mistake just like the mpg was but most rx8 make around 170-190 hp and rated hp is nothing cause there is drive train loss but they should be equal
20bwannab 11 months ago
@20bwannab the 236 is base not at the wheels same as the jspec puts out 220 base hp. Rx8 vs a stock lude stock vs stock would walk on the lude every time.
R6carter 10 months ago
@R6carter
yeah i know thats what i said that 236 was break hp not to to wheels so im saying that they are pretty equal when it comes down to wheel hp. i just never go on what the rated hp is just to the wheels hp cause when i got my rx8 came out the window sticker said 247hp which isn't true at all.
20bwannab 10 months ago
@battleborn7 I have an 8 and the point of it was to keep the tradition of the Rotary engine going. The engineering behind the engine and suspension is amazing and its a truly unique car. So what if it cant drive fast in a straight line, get behind the wheel of one and take a corner and you'll get a huge smile and forget about the lack of power from the engine (which ranks 5 highest hp:liter after ferrari, lamborghini and other supercar companies.)
1234rgn 11 months ago
@1234rgn
quote for the mother fucking truth!
I am curretnly driving my friend rx8. we exchange cars for the week lol i lend him borrow my STI and let me tell you, the rx8 handles so beautiful! I don't care if it lacks power, but the handling is so fucking amazing! handles better than my subie! I'm a rotary enthusiast ! drive an 82 12a supercharger and i am going EFI!!
youwannafanta 10 months ago
@battleborn7 get rid of the rotary crap and swap in a ls2
rs200000000000 10 months ago
@rs200000000000 I don't own any rotary cars anymore. I have bought a VW recently (for gas mileage) and I will save the LS2 for an S10 truggy I want to build.
battleborn7 10 months ago
@battleborn7 so a 1.3L is barely pulling on a 2.2L and thats a shame?
rx8ball 10 months ago
@rx8ball Yes, they used to walk corvettes into the ground. now? not so much
battleborn7 10 months ago
@battleborn7 Im sorry but this generation of RX8 has always had the same horsepower. Perhaps you're refering to a FD RX-7, which is an entirely different car.
rx8ball 10 months ago
@rx8ball Great point!
kingdomboost 10 months ago
@battleborn7 mazda pulled 230+ hp from a 1.3. Thats impressive as it is.
HIIMRAVI2 9 months ago 19
@HIIMRAVI2 And its n/a
FPAUTO 8 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 they did it because it doesnt have cylinders like normal motors its a rotory motor, and the only reason it makes that power is because it revs really high. the only downfall to that motor is that it makes almost no torque
hell13fire 8 months ago
@hell13fire I know....I own an rx8....
HIIMRAVI2 8 months ago
@hell13fire they make the same if not more torque then the prelude stock... and the torque curve is pretty much flat so you have even torque across the hole rpm range... that one thing that makes the rotary better.. it may not have the highest torque but it does not get to a peak torque and then just drop :D
Tj1056 8 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 yeah very impressive. i see rotary engine is in a different league than piston engine
BlueRice 8 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2
230 HP automatic and 250 HP manual!
slbcuerpoyalma 6 months ago
@slbcuerpoyalma Nah its actually 212hp from a year 2006+ automatic, and 232hp from the manual.
Still though, its crazy
HIIMRAVI2 6 months ago
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19danflo 6 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 actually not really, it's a 1.3 in a rotary, not a piston engine. the general rule of thumb is to multiply the rotary's displacement to by approx. 2 so the 1.3 is more like a 2.6 v6 in a piston engine, not all that impressive, but the engine did win It won International Engine of the Year and Best New Engine awards 2003 in the 2.5-3.0 category. more impressive is the lotus elise or even the honda s2000. sorry for the sermon, i'm at work.
19danflo 6 months ago
@19danflo True, didnt think about it that way lol
HIIMRAVI2 6 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 yeah, but great car nonetheless.
19danflo 6 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 it has two 1.3L engine so if you put it together its 2.6L Rotary Engine.. which means each 1.3L Engine has approximately 165HP... just saying...
kamatayan234 6 months ago
@kamatayan234 Even still that's pretty impressive, most honda's are about 1.8L and only make about 110-130hp
GenjiSama91 6 months ago
@GenjiSama91 well the newer civic base civics. New Si's are 2.0 and pull 210 HP. older ones were 1.6 and did 160hp. then integras come with b18's 1.8L inches pulling 180-190 hp
hernandadmx 5 months ago
@hernandadmx LOLOl, i promise you this is not true, then new civics yeah ur good, but with the older ones,...umm no, maybe 130chp and 105whp, and i drive a teg and know that the b18 doesn't produce that kind of power, stock atleast
GenjiSama91 5 months ago
@GenjiSama91 What? 130? you talkin about a d series engine. an american b18c is 175, d16y8 produce 130 hp.
hernandadmx 4 months ago
@hernandadmx Who are you getting ur facts from, b/c you need to cut them loose. B18B~145hp, B18C1~160, B18C (j-spec itr) ~180hp, b18C ((later model) us-spec)~195. So at this point ur probably thinking that's what i said, well ur wrong, all these are CHP numbers not WHP, there's on average a 15-20% power loss in the drivetrain, i've leave that math to you, but even on the highest hp motor i listed that puts it at about 160, ideally, but we all know cars don't run perfect statistics
GenjiSama91 4 months ago
@GenjiSama91 wow throw that at me nerd. you can never be wrong. I know all this stuff no need to argue.
hernandadmx 4 months ago
@hernandadmx I forget why this even started and don't feel like re-reading lol, truce
GenjiSama91 4 months ago
@GenjiSama91 LOL Truce.
hernandadmx 4 months ago
@GenjiSama91 b18C1=170HP, not 160
graciebarrabjjstuden 3 months ago
@graciebarrabjjstuden See that little wavy line, kinda looks like "~" that means about....just sayin, each motor will dyno a lil differently based on age and how well it was assembled/taken car of. So never put an "=" when talking about hp numbers cuz some asshat will try to prove he's smarter than you
GenjiSama91 3 months ago
@kamatayan234 Are you serious? The Rx-8 does in fact not have "two 1.3L engines inside making it a 2.6L"
It actually has 2 Rotors each with 650cc of displacement. So it has two .65L put together. So when talking about RX-8s make sure to say that each engine has approximatley 232HP cause they only have one engine
fnsonicrick 5 months ago 4
@fnsonicrick It is 1.3 liter in terms of a rotary engine.The full displacement is really 3.9L but that's after a full rotation of the 2 rotors,but a full rotation of the rotary engine is really 3 full rotations in a piston engine so Mazda divides the 3.9 by 3.If you put rotations and all that crap aside,the 1.3liter is the size of each rotors chamber,and the engine has 2. So really, just by adding the displacement of each chamber, the RX8 can be considered a 2.6L V6(in terms of piston engines).
Maxunit101 3 months ago
@Maxunit101 That is so factually inaccurate, I don't even know where to start. Let me try anyway. When a single piston goes through the 4 stroke combustion cycle, the crankshaft (output shaft) must rotate twice, or 720 degrees. In this 720 degrees, every piston will fire. In 720 degrees with a rotary, four faces will have fired. That's two faces for each rotor. Each face's chamber displaces 654 cc. 654 * 4 = 2,616. 2.616 Liters.
rjhall90 3 months ago
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@fnsonicrick The SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) defined way of measuring the displacement of a rotary is to measure the difference in volume of the combustion chamber between when it is at its largest and smallest. Since each rotor has three of these chambers and there is one combustion event per rotation of the eccentric shaft, a 1.3 liter rotary would burn 1.3 liters of fuel and air per eccentric shaft rotation.
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 weeks ago
@kamatayan234 o my god ha ha ha
jamesoc10 5 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 rx7 pulls 280+ hp from 1.3 . deal with it, the 1.3 rotary can do more then just 300 rwhp
AtzengamerMemphis 6 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 is not really true...it's totally another type of engine
scuo90 5 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 its a rotary engine...
thedeepmetalhead 5 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 nope, because that's a rotor
eivis13 3 months ago
@HIIMRAVI2 they rate it at 1.3 liters but in actuallity it is more than that. Regardless of what you think the displacment is, the fact is the "measured' displacment is 1.3 liters. Both rotors (when fired) will only ignite 1.3 liters of mixture at any given time. Guess what Sherlock... the other face still has to wait its turn to produce power. It is true that the engine will consume 2.6 liter of air in "2" rotations of its eccentric shaft, there for it IS 2.6 liters. SWEET....
98MAzdaMilleniaS 2 months ago
@battleborn7 Both of these cars are severely underpowered. Many Prelude fans also wish their car was made with more power. At least Mazda put 230HP and RWD. We Prelude fans got left with a nice looking sporty car but with an Inline 4 with only 200HP, even less torque, and FWD =(
elr456 8 months ago
rotary 4 life!
evanrx8 1 year ago
Automatic Prelude FTL
InsaneBimmer 1 year ago
i have owned a prelude and sold it for an rx8, i miss the lude but after switching back to rwd i realized that fwd is predictable and boring... and me being an adrenaline junky the first time i got sideways i instantly said fuck fwd lol... the lude had way more tq though... but what can i say im a rotard. = )
TazFC3s 1 year ago
fucking prelude douche owner you dint even go on your own honk . thats why you got your pussy smack sideways and handed to you. fuck retards like you make me mad im a lude owner and i ate one after he was ahead of mee. dammm your lame
Sleepe00 1 year ago
@Sleepe00 YEHHH BROO, IM A PROUD ONWER OF A 98 TYPE S:) SPANKED A RX8
PANT3N3 1 year ago
where is this att?? tight place to race at..
glader93ed 1 year ago
um no brandongay im going to have to say..false. hondas gay end of story
SlashsSon101 1 year ago
RX8>>>>>Gay ass prelude
DystopianAwakening 1 year ago
Prelude > RX8
BrandonJay1983 1 year ago
rx8 is a great car. unique style, fantastic unique rotary engine . is not the fastest car but I love mine because of looks & comfortable sport ride. by the way I more man than you dra60nf1r3 . thats why I love my rx8 extra room for my wife & son lol.
check "rx8 mx5 my sport cars"
alfredomnzn 1 year ago
WHERE IS THIS TUNNEL???
redsnake93 1 year ago
helocopter engine ENGAGE!!!!
ZX3Affliction 1 year ago
shoulda kept the lude man
pbcrazy1 1 year ago
what i enjoy the most is not the video but the idiots fighting over which one is better. The comments are funny to read than watching the video.
predatorinstincts 1 year ago
rx-8s are gay. slow too. that is souped. i drive a stock 92' prelude si non vtec. outrun then on the tollway and keep up on the track.
DRA60NF1R3 1 year ago
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renesisrx8 1 year ago
@DRA60NF1R3 There is no way in hell that your stock prelude can compete with an RX8 in the corners on the track. Even on the straightaways you still lose.Your car has about 120 hp compared to 240 on the RX8. An RX8 in the right hands will compete against e46 M3's on the track.
renesisrx8 1 year ago
@renesisrx8 you are a complete dumbass. an m3? no. thats not a comparison. and a stock prelude s model has 140hp the si has 160 and 156lbs of torque and the vtec has 197 and 164 lbs of torque. shut up. u have no idea what your talking about. 120hp stock? hahaha retard. i bet u dont even know what car replaced the prelude.
DRA60NF1R3 1 year ago
@DRA60NF1R3 Have you ever heard of Top Gear? On their test track the rx8 had the same time as an M3. The RX8 is a very good handling car. You obviously have no idea about this because you drive a fwd prelude. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if your "prelude" was actually a tricycle. Trust me when I tell you, that I do know what I'm talking about, especially when it comes to the RX8. And based on what you said your car's 140 hp is still less than the Rx8's 240. So no matter what, you lose.
renesisrx8 1 year ago
@renesisrx8 yeah i have heard of top gear. and i know what im talking about too. the rx-8 would lose horribly in the straight to a m3. an m3 e46 has 333hp vs that piece of shit rotary with 240. i have the prelude si h23 automatic and still get a second gear scratch out of it. i dragged with a 08 rx-8 and won the 60ft lost by .001 in the 330ft and lost by .38 of a second. not even a full half second. so shut up the rx-8 is gay. and u still never told me what car took over the prelude.
DRA60NF1R3 1 year ago
@DRA60NF1R3 Yes an RX8 would lose to an M3 in a straightaway. Not on a real circuit, however. You dragged against ONE rx8, and that makes you an expert now eh? And I have no idea why you are still talking since you lost. I don't claim to be a Honda expert but the successor was the s2000, which is a great car. Although, the prelude is more closely related to the accord coupe. I respect all car companies and it pisses me off when some punk starts bashing something he doesnt understand.
renesisrx8 1 year ago 2
@renesisrx8 yeah i understand. your talking about a car that u dont know anything about. my car in 1992 NEW costs the same as an 2010 rx8. rotaries are gay.
DRA60NF1R3 1 year ago
@DRA60NF1R3 i agree rotaries are gay, i have a 98 prelude type Sh, with a h22a euro r in it with a 5 speed lsd, type s intake and dc headers, and i would of ate that rx8
PANT3N3 1 year ago
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@PANT3N3 I love how you honda owners cant just say i have a honda prelude... but no its ", i have a 98 prelude type Sh, with a h22a euro r in it with a 5 speed lsd, type s intake and dc headers" where we RX8 guys just say I HAVE A RX8 and guess what... intant respect
yealtin 1 year ago
@PANT3N3 rotaries are not gay !!!! what the fuck is wrong with you.
tevinjoseph 1 year ago
Huge Honda fan, but I gotta respect a lot of these Mazdas I see around.... very nice looking!
Nice choice on the Mazdaspeed 6 btw, awesome car!!!
83tonymontana83 1 year ago
@83tonymontana83
Finally someone that likes Hondas and ISNT talking shit...lol
Im a huge fan of Hondas, but i have an RX-8 =]
TonyDKC 1 year ago 2
lol i see this was in PA i used to live there and i currently own a 01 prelude type-s h22a.. which tubes were these in??
PreludeRacerSH 1 year ago