CBC Archives: Stéphane Dion 1992

[skuzabut]

22 > 6... interesting Dion.



[leafyutube]

If only he spoke english.

[RazrHack]

OMG HE SHOULD BE PRIME MINISTER.

lol, trolling.

[harrisonconstantinou]

dion seemed like a really smart guy in econmics, i would like to see him become prime minister

[levanyzzuf]

How the hell is it possible that his English was better in 1992 than it was in 2008?

[lukejw1995]

22 is more than 6... no shit...

[0RHR0]

can sum1 sum this up for me :)

I cant understand half the things he says

[0RHR0]

can sum1 sum this up for me :)

[potsy5656]

Dion is a fail

[TheWilsonFilmCompany]

Is it just me or is his voice like Kermit?

And does he look like Cameron from Ferris Bueller?

[Alan123123123]

Dion resigned as Liberal leader after the 2008 election where the party suffered their second worst result ever, making Dion only the second Liberal leader in Canadian history who never became Prime Minister.

[InuvikPhil]

This guy is so CANADIAN, he's great! Smart and principled

[Benzfever]

Looser

[Ian74263]

I'm kind of half Liberal, half Conservative. Frankly, I would've loved for him to be in office. I truly do not like Stephen Harper, don't ask me why, I just don't like him. It should be either Stephane Dion for PM or Danny Williams for PM.

[wwefreakjon]

Dion was an excellent man but he was not a great politician. He had a serious case of SPRH syndrome (Square Peg Round Hole).

[Miradart]

I can't believe the Liberals used a lack of fluency in english as a criteria on choosing a leader.

He has only gotten slightly better since then.

CRETIEN

Dione

tpoitnjoernpwoirtnqoitqitnqoi

That's just as understandable as he was.

[vietminh111]

I can't believe in a country with two official languages that people care which one their leader speakers better. Good policy speaks loads more than an audible leader with bad ones, see Stephen Harper for more info.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 LOL!! That's kinda funny. Where was Dionne's good policy? Remember "Green Shift"? With the debacle going on at the CRU and the IPCC, I'd say Dionne didn't exactly have good policy either.

As an Anglo, I just can't believe that Franco politicians don't make more effort to actually learn the other "Official" language.

I'm not saying that Harper or Manning (LOL!!!) sounds great in French, but I do know enough that it appears to be more important that Anglo's adapt, than Franco's

[vietminh111]

As an Anglo I think you're hypocritical in saying that french politicians need to learn to speak english better when most English politicians (or anyone else for that matter) barely speak any french at all.

My point was that people focusssed too much on Dion's ability to speak English rather than on what he was actually saying, the Green Shift is a perfect example, instead of trying to understand his proposal idiots like you just said "LOL that guy can't talk LOL"

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 Now there you're totally wrong. The "Green Shift" was a complete train wreck of a policy. I heard him talk about it. I understood it, as he put it out there. IPCC, and the CRU have since proven out my suspicions on the basis of his entire policy. Faked numbers.

But let's get back to language. He didn't get much better in the 15 years since this was shot. Cretien sounds just the same now, as he did as a new MP back in 1962. These were their leaders!

They need more homework.

[vietminh111]

I'm not sure what "faked numbers" you're talking about, anyways,

It doesn't matter if he never got better in the last 15 years. Speaking another language is not the easiest thing to do, in fact its a very hard thing to do. Yet we make fun of our french leaders for their lack of ability and ignore how most of our English ones don't even try.

And as I said, Dion had a hearing impairment which made it even harder for him to learn how to speak English properly.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 The hacked e-mails from the University of Essex,(where all the UN IPCC numbers were kept) have been faked for the last 10 years, or more. The story broke during the Copenhagen Climate Conference in November.

Search "Climategate".

It is a scam that makes the sponsorship scandal look like a grain of sand in the Sahara.

"Green Shift" would have made us all pay for something that simply didn't exist.

I've actually heard Dionne is really a really nice guy as a person, but....

[vietminh111]

Lol, thats a bunch of crap, just people trying to evade responsibility and pretend that the world's problems don't exist.

Climate change isn't a scram, people telling you climate change isn't real is the scam. Think about it logically, the ingrained establishment has more to lose by trying to tell you its a lie than the new wave trying to convince you of one.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111

Do the research, and be open minded. Al Gore likes to say "The science is settled." Well it isn't. It's faked. The IPCC told everyone that the hottest 8 years in history have happened in the last 10. That is not true. It has, in fact, been cooling for the last 10.

It's actually spooky how far these guys were going to go, to pick your pocket.

They lied to steal your money. Sorry to be the one to tell you this.

I actually had fun here tonight.

[vietminh111]

I have done the research ha ha, the scientific commmunity has complete consensus, there is no debate over global warming being "real" anymore.

There are however individuals out there that are trying to create the perception that the debate is ongoing in an attempt to further their own interests.

The people that are lying to steal our money are the conservative think tanks, backed by the oil industry trying to convince us that we can go about living our lives as we do without any consequence

[Miradart]

@vietminh111

As I see it, the enviros want to portray everyone that disagrees with CC/GW as people that want to pollute at will. Enviros are even willing to throw anti-Holocost style hate at people that want further review, by calling them "deniers". That's a loaded word, and is irresponsible. Nobody is promoting pollution at will. We all just need to be sensible about it.

[vietminh111]

That's different than the people who don't believe in global warming who are willing to call the people who educate about it "liars". Thats a loaded word too,

the sensible thing for us to do is to stop for a moment and realize that we westerners are living an unsustainable lifestyle, our throw-away society cannot last forever. We need to change the way we live our lives so that we don't further ruin the quality of life of future generations. We need to be responsible to the planet we live on.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 Liars is a weak word used by both sides.

Simply put, are you, as a westerner, going to give up your own comfort, and billions of dollars, to a 3rd world country that may(or may not) have a stable government, to help them prevent a disaster that won't happen, with no strings attached!

The only people that will really see an increase in wealth in this whole deal, are arms dealers.

I absolutely hate to say this, because I WISH it weren't true. But it is.

[vietminh111]

I don`t think my comfort needs to come from shitty electronics that are built to fail and SUVs that are bigger than anyone needs. Excessive consumerism like that is relatively easy to fix, but nothing is done bc its in the current establishments interest to do nothing, and convince us that nothing need be done.

The problem isn`t in the 3rd world, its right here, we just don`t recognize it because we out source the problem to them, and then sit back and shame them for being fucked up.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 So what you're saying is they should stay in poverty.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 Are you, Right now, going to give up your car, your house, your kids, and your job, so that a dictator somewhere can kill a few more of the tribesman they have despised for hundreds of years?

It's easy to talk in platitudes, when it doesn't affect us personally.

The money taken from us, and given to the 3rd world, will go to them with no strings attached. That is fact.

Copenhagen mandates this. After all, if it were restricted to a certain goal, that would be meddling.

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[vietminh111]

Lol, ok you're completely exaggerating what I said. What I am saying is that the cars we make don't need to be gas guzzlers that pollute so much, and the electronics we buy don't need to be manufactured to break in 2 years.

Also, the money we give in aid is NEVER given without strings, ever. Meddling is a legitimized part of international politics. No one ever says "hey now US, you're meddling with that country, just give them the money already!"

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 Massive exorbitant consumerism isn't what anyone wants, but Climate Change money isn't foreign aide. It's completely different. It isn't aide at all. It is money meant for reparation of "Climate Debt". That is an exact quote from the Gore types.

It IS no-strings-attached. Period.

And it won't bring the temperature of the world down one tenth of one degree.

It is the biggest lie since (I hate to even use this) Hitler. Their ploy was to tell the biggest lie possible. This is it!

[vietminh111]

its aid in that it will give the "third world" money to make their economies more green. Proof of how strings are always attached lies in the failure of kyoto and the lack of any replacement agreement to come into force. Strings are always attached, its like parents with children, or banks with loans. You wanna see how your money is being spent and what you're getting out of it.

I don't see the motivation for this "big lie" you speak of, to enrich the third world? I doubt we're that benevolent

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 Oh, My god. The 3rd world doesn't have an economy to even make greener. Economies don't develop with anything enviro in mind at all. The "Climate Debt" money would even go to China! They are making more dirty-coal fired power plants THIS YEAR, than Canada has power plants in total right now!

For 10% of the money for this CC/GW thing, we could easily develop a desalinization system for impoverished countries so they could grow their own food. THAT would be progress!

[vietminh111]

Thats why I said "third world", China isn't a third world country, its the 3rd largest economy in the world. Ever wonder where the US got all of its bailout money? Chinese banks, they're fine. Though they are a big polluter I agree.

Also 3rd world food production is a huge topic to dive into like that, its not just something as superficial as it might seem.

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 (holy cow we have hopscotched a long way from 'Dionne talks funny'. ;)

Lets look at the average income in China. They are 3rd world all over the place. there is lots of growth, but it is all localized. And they still work their poor like slaves.

For about 10% of the Billions++ they are talking about with cap and trade, they could irrigate and feed the poor  of every African country. Once they have food, they can start to sustain themselves. Let's start there.

[vietminh111]

Ya, I was just highlighting a problem with the term "3rd world", theres so many diff types of poor that its not descriptive enough.

Part of the reason they have no food is because we subsidize the hell out of our food industries, making it cheaper to import. We also give them our surplus food as 'aid', which bc it is free destroys the market for food they have there already.

Not to mention the world economic system is designed to keep them dependent, not self sustaining ha ha. The World sucks

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 LOL!! Now there, you're preachin' to the choir! LOL!!!

I saw a show on what the US agriculture dept does to manipulate the corn market. It's unreal!

I did hear a joke about it though:

Q. Why did a US District Agriculturist kill himself?

A. His farmer retired.

:)

Their system artificially supports so much BS it isn't even funny. Not that I'm in favor of my food prices going up, but I'd say let the market go where it needs to go. It will be better for the farmer in the long run.

[vietminh111]

Ya domestically a lot of these boards they put together to manage crops and milk are pretty annoying. Put internationally I'm not so sure, wouldn't want those dictators you mentioned before controlling crop prices would ya :P

[guinnesstrail]

@vietminh111

China, like Japan before it, and Western Europe before Japan have been propped up by U.S. policy. China would not have one-fourth of its economy if not for U.S. trade policy. The deal is that the U.S. buys China's goods with China's cash. And like Japan and Western Europe, China will stagnate once the U.S. moves on to its next big thing--which I argue will be China.

[vietminh111]

Oh and lets not forgot to metnion that he had a hearing impairment which made it even more difficult to learn English, everyone seems to forget about that

[Miradart]

@vietminh111 If that was made more public, the Anglo's might have let it go, but I've NEVER heard of this. This sounds like an afterthought. It's like Preston Manning had a hearing problem. He couldn't hear how annoying his voice was - in any language. LOL!!

In my opinion, I think Dionne had a problem hearing - anything but french.

Hate me if you want to. I don't see Dionne rising to the top to save the Liberals. Maybe John Manley, but not Dionne.

[vietminh111]

It came out near the end of the last election, understandably as not many people like to admit they have a physical difficulty (who other bag of cats when it comes to Politics).

I don't even like Dion that much, I just don't like how most people are more concerned with how someone sounds than what they say/did.

I also don't like how people make cracks about french people's ability to speak english when the vast majority of English Canada doesn't even try to speak french.

[AL52Dragon]

He would be nice. And the only thing that his changed about him is his hair colour. He still sounds like a Muppet.

[salamati7]

I wish Dion was our prime minister. You could tell he really believed in making Canada a great place. His heart was certainly in the right place.

Too bad honest people never win :( sad world we live in.

[bigreid66]

your an idiot. this clown as prime minister. he sounds like fucking Kermit the Frog. I worship King Harper

[vietminh111]

Most intellegent comment on this page...not

[Bus7777]

I have to admit I like the NDP but Dion I would be proud to have as a prime minsiter. One thing I can say about Dion is he sure gave it a hell of a try. Good for him.

[DRW243]

is it just me or does his English sound better then it does now

[RomiLeMot]

lol i was just bout to say the same thing

[bigreid66]

sounds like Kermit the Frog

[canadarox14]

That's what I was just thinking! Maybe he was giving a speech that he had written in advance and practiced for a long time. Or maybe being in parliament now a days just makes him nervous.

[MomSaysImCool]

You know, I really, really liked Dion. Would've been proud to have him as a PM. And I'm not even a Liberal, really.

[Dooku64]

@MomSaysImCool I liked Dion as well!

[fatoni698]

@MomSaysImCool You're joking right!?

[MomSaysImCool]

@fatoni698 Oh! You got me. I was totally kidding around....

NO, OF COURSE I MEANT IT! That's why I wrote it. People hated Dion just because he was skinny, super-French and environmentally-oriented.

[gatineausparks]

@MomSaysImCool Agreed, would have been proud of him as PM too, hes a kind, honest, decent man.

[Allrightteam]

@MomSaysImCool It would have been funny.

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[ocdave99]

Does his English sound better in '92? Wow! Poor Guy will go down as a disaster, given he lead The Liberals to their worst seat total since Confederation.  He seems more at ease as a political scientist commenting on the issues of the day rather than a leader of a party. Like they say: "Know your place!" Hopefully, he's recovered from last fall and can contribute in the years ahead and move on and be happy.

[bjayr99]

If he'd used the intervening 15 years to improve his English or work on his image, he'd be Prime Minister.

[zoomjer]

What did he say?

[crazyrabbits]

Oh Dion. You make me laugh so.

[youdonwannaknowme]

stephane seems like a nice guy. but really, he should have stayed at the university. some people can teach the theories, but can't work out the practical stuff.

[aronron2727]

from quebec of view, i just hate him and hate him.

so ridiculous, so sure that he was exceptional................. so of full of pretention even if he is a real mediocre polician and leader.

omg, what a joke. a real total failure.

what a bad casting for the liberal party.

the worst in fact. the same as mrs campbell for the conservatives... a while ago.

[NigelMK]

17 years later and he still can't say phenomenon...

/facepalm

and people wonder why the liberals lost the election in October.

[bookoz]

alright, ive been a bit passive on the situation, but really...

HOW THE FUCK IS A LEFTIST COALITION WITH SEPERATISTS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?!?!?!?!

NOT EVERYONE IN CANADA IS A FUCKIN LIBERAL!

[jesserai]

listen or wait maybe it take capitol letters and cuss words for you to understand since thats how you communicate.

LISTEN THE FUCK UP

the closest thing we have in this DEMOCRACY to the 'will of the people' is the representation of those people's beliefs in our parliament by the politicians they elect. sure the conservatives won the most seats in the past election but they have a MINORITY GOVERNMENT meaning the opposition has enough seats to usurp them if they lack confidence in that government

[bookoz]

keep believing that the ndp, bloc and liberal parties all love eachother now

its not about a "lack of confidence"

its just a bitch move cause they dont want some funding cut off

but they just say "hes not helping the economy!" and then they sound justified

meanwhile, it has nothing to do with the economy!!

legally theyre allowed to try it, youre right

but dont deny that its a bitch move

and im sure the conservatives will have a majority at the next election because of it

[jesserai]

It IS about a lack of confidence, that's what they've stated anything else is hearsay and I can only speak for me, my family, and many of our friends and they're family's but we lack confidence in the Harper govt. so this is not an unfounded "bitch" move as you call it, maybe I should be less presumptuous and say it is the will of just my people, but if you looked out your window or watched the news you would have heard of the demonstrations this weekend supporting this coalition.

[jesserai]

[cont] what Harper has done along with this FIGUREHEAD GG is go against the will of the people! put what ever FOX NEWS label you want on this coalition (in your case "A LEFTIST COALITION WITH SEPERATISTS") this is the will of the people. PERIOD

[bookoz]

ohh ok man

some dude sitting in a small town in quebec voted for the bloc

another guy on the other side of the country voted the ndp

that gives dion the right to be prime minister.

and dont give me that fox news spin bullshit.

is it NOT a leftist coalition???

im not allowed to state what it is?

if you actually believe that the majority of people want stephane dion as the prime minister (which when all is said and done would be the ONLY end result) then i dunno what to say really

[jesserai]

[cont] and Stephan Dion being prime minister would not be the only result of this coalition that's hilarious that you look at this issue in such black and white terms. if this were the case my family and friends wouldn't support this coalition.

[bookoz]

lol..

you, your family and friends support the coalition because you dont like harper and would prefer dion.

you can try to call it whatever you want

but thats what it boils down to

people like you like to look for "grey areas" to justify yourselves when it actually is as simple as black and white

you want dion over harper

thats it!

try to call me an idiot and justify yourself all you want but you know thats exactly what it is

[jesserai]

alright what ever justifying my self means... I'de rather dion wasn't the prime minister and for Layton to head it to tell you the truth, so...so much for your psychic ability to tell me what i want, anyways i see this coalition as a viable alternative to harper's govt. and that pretty much sums up my views, as for you info fan: the 'objective facts' tell me a different story. and IF the GG does still have separatist sympathies having harper in power might just be a good thing.

[jesserai]

[cont] and if i came off as suggesting that i thought you were an idiot it would only be because of the way you started yourself off here ; what with the partisan talk, capitol letters, and cuss words.

[bookoz]

im willing to bet youre a pretty smug kinda guy. "lowly humans and their cuss words.."

at the same time i bet youre a socialist too and you believe everyone is equal.

nothing i like better than a socialist who talks down to others with his nose up in the air. the irony of it all..

but alright, youd prefer LAYTON as PM, not dion

im wrong, you win!

and the bloc supporters prefer duceppe over layton, but still this coalition is all on the same page

[jesserai]

i don't consider myself a socialist, but you can label me what ever you like .. also i wasn't intending to talk down to you I was just pointing out that you sound like a message board flamer that's all. as for me being hypocritical, i believe that sort of stuff is part of the human condition, your probably guilty of as having this trait as well... i apologize nevertheless

[bookoz]

ok man,

and considering youre the first person ive ever met who is an ndp supporter and NOT a socialist i apologize for making that assumption.

theres a lot here too.

my area has voted in an NDP MP for more than a decade

[jesserai]

great! see?, not all people and things are black and white...

your area wouldn't happen to be the Skeena Bulkley valley British Columbia would it?

[bookoz]

windsor-tecumseh ontario

weve voted joe comartin since 2000

but the conservatives have been slowly getting closer and we were second by only by a very short margin this last election.

im pretty sure we'll have a conservative seat next election

out of curiosity, if you dont consider yourself socialist then what?

becuase i WAS kinda being sarcastic when i said you were the only non socialist ndp supporter

i mean, you support governemnt funded programs right? and unions, welfare and so on

[jesserai]

it depends on how they are run, I dont like to pigeonhole myself into political labels i believe its dangerous to do so... take for instance the republican party in the US...everyone calls them conservatives but their party lines have mutated so much that libertarians are far closer to being what a true conservative used to be than an actual 'conservative' is today.

[jesserai]

[cont] i believe the same can be said about our conservatives. anyhow it depends on how social programs etc. are run far more than the fact that they are funded by tax payers dollars to me... that being said yes i am for all three of those topics you mention so long as they are run properly... so often they aren't and under many different govt administrations (conservative, liberal, etc.) and that's why i will never hang my hat on one party.

[jesserai]

[cont][cont]...or political ideology for that mater. rather when the time comes to vote or formulate an opinion i do so with my children's children in mind. its a personal and often times chaotic method and arguably flawed but that's why i don't call myself a socialist liberal conservative, etc. i try to be a human before any abstract political, religious, or demographic title. messed eh?

[bookoz]

no, not messed

ive heard that a thousand times

"im just human, i dont attach myself to those things"

thats fine, but you have to realize at some point that youre defined by your beliefs.

humans have given names to EVERYTHING including what you are if you have certain beliefs. you cant say you agree with all these things but you dont want to give yourself the title of "socialist" because you want to be individualistic. it doesnt matter! that word was invented to define what you believe in

[bookoz]

theres only a certain number of ways to run a country.

you cant say "i support welfare 100% but i am completely against any taxes"

ideologies conflict

thats why they have different names

[bookoz]

even if its not 100 percent by the book, everyone is defined by a certain ideology.

if you have ZERO interest in all politics and how things are run then theres a word for that too. (i just dont know it off the top of my head)

its like me saying "i dont like baseball so im not a sports fan."

no, i like hockey, soccer, football

im still a sports fan even if its not every single sport

im defined in a sense by the words "sports fan"

[jesserai]

well I'll have to leave the defining of my life via bullshit tag to others because that doesn't interest me, we're going down the worm hole now.

[bookoz]

alright, as long as you realize that the bullshit tag exists whether you want it to or not.

this has been fun actually

i wish you and your family luck in these crazy times we live in.

even if you DO support a coalition

[jesserai]

i realize some people need to tag themselves and others but i will try my hardest all my life to refuse doing the same...

and the same to you and yours, happy holidays

[Infofan]

Ah, but the the 'FIGUREHEAD GG' was a Liberal appointee (with separatist friends), remember?

I'm a little surprised (and actually delighted) she agreed to the Prime Minister's request to prorogue Parliament (as legal as the Coalition's actions, by the way).

And to blazes with FOX or CNN or CBC, or any enmity-causing 'media'.

The objective facts are that the sore losers of the election want power; their insane hatred of Harper (whom they can't bully) has led them to this pathetic alliance.

[gilbertave]

16 years later... his english is worse!

[creeperburg]

lol! Yeah, how does that work?

[gopconservative78]

Dion is an idiot

[jholmes90]

surprisingly it sounds like he could speak english better back then than he can now

[rinygrin]

He's so cute

[Pyrekins]

Aw. I love Stephane Dion. He's the best.

[MGman800]

Thank goodness he never became Prime Minister!

[Roadblock1080]

ha think again

[MGman800]

lol... when that statement was written it was taken place during the election campaigning when the two parties hated each other. I know of course the coalition is underway, so he probably might become PM, but with Jack Layton at his side.

[Roadblock1080]

aye very sad indeed

[jpe42]

hey i am sick about those redneck from Alberta who try to buy my votes by offering me peanuts. You know what,next time at the next referendum,why dont you not invest your money with the soverainist so that will help us to win because with all of the corruption with tne NO side,it s almost impossible to win. After Quebec will be independant,then Canada will be a good position the 53th states of USA as you guys have no difference with the americain .The difference,it s us

[frenchie21]

I agree 100%

[domtar76]

I think it is harder to speak as a politician in front of crowds, with everybody listening, where you have to parrot a particular party line, as opposed to talking to the media as a professor on a topic you have written about as an academic.

[GoLeafsGoBaby]

What the hell happened! His English in 92 sounded much more clearer than the English he speaks today!! I understand every word he said in this clip than the English debates I watched! I didn't know a lot of the words he said in the debates! His English is much better in this clip lol

[kamilmytnik]

I being an immigrant can tell you that speaking your first language seldom will force it to worsen; youre bound to forget the language, certain words, etc. Ive been away from my home country for 18 years and my Polish is pretty bad, but it always improves whenever I go back for a couple months.

That being said; im willing to bet he hasnt spent much time speaking english lately.

[GoLeafsGoBaby]

Hey I agree with you.

It happens to a lot of people.

[nosliwsirhc1984]

seemed more well spoken. I guess its easier to think on your feet when you don't have to kiss 30 million peoples asses.

[trevoski12]

i think that his english was better then rather than now

[esbn17]

his accent got worse lol

[desi047]

Celin Dion our new PM

[yukoncornileus4]

his english is the same today as it was back then, he hasn't improved in 16 years !!!!!!

that is hillarious

[blaisejones]

wow, just wow...he hasn't changed at all compared to the others.

[benfal2006]

nerd

[TamerlanePNR]

Dion for PM!

[pubby1]

Celine Dion for PM!!

[SubMyFavourites]

Celine Dion up for adoption.

[revolt1915]

Celine Dion for deportation!

[SmoothCriminalAaron]

LOL we did deport her, To Las Vegas.