Kenpo Karate Grappling

[isurus986]

It is funny everyone mentions Kenpo is a bit of everything. Read my previous posts. In fact (again I teach Chinese Kenpo and BJJ) Kenpo in China (Quan Fa) was one of the first elected martial arts in history. Don't believe me...google it. Quan Fa means martial arts and was a blanket term for MA. In Chinese Kenpo, the 5 animals are still taught today. Even modern stuff like gun control as the art evolved over time with different types of oponents.

[isurus986]

In essence to last post...I hate forms though. Pretty, and have techniques, and discipline, etc, but freestyle is funner. I tell my students I hate forms as well. Rather do knife fighting, chin na, grappling, freestyle, eye of hurrican (8 attackers), gun control, and techniques than "dance" I guess. Everyone is different. The Kempo jiujitsu was derived after Okinawa in the lineage. I have the lineage going by several thousand years. Even to India with tribes that used it before China.

[isurus986]

About the dog style kung fu I mentioned earlier. It is mostly sweeps, chokes, minor locks, sprawling, etc. BJJ has these and more. As footbinding (was used by females more) stopped, dog style kung fu kind of died. BJJ is better in this relation. Some American Kenpo artist may be mad at me for calling it watered down earlier, but I can show you several missing pieces in your "modified" techniques from our Chinese Kenpo...8 years+ black belt level in Chinese Kenpo or 6 in American; lots missing

[isurus986]

I teach Chinese Kenpo (Quan Fa). The locks came from Chin Na in our essence...not JapaneseJJ. This video is sloppy BJJ...another one of my favs arts. I trained American Kenpo (watered down and missing lots of stuff they took out from ours). Grappling in Shaolin was under Dog style Kung Fu (not as refined and effective as BJJ, good though but hasnt stood test of time). Gracie style is awesome. Parker was under Chinese and left; this why he was good and some of his direct students (Jeff, etc.)

[borobei]

@isurus986 so direct students and instructors under ed parker knew some grappling?was grappling in kenpo lost when it started spreading or getting commercial?

[houseofKenpoKarate]

@borobei Hello. In this video we should how the school branching out into grappling and extend its horizons other possibilities. I don't believe that grappling was ever originally in kenpo

[VALLEYCAMPAIGN]

Kenpo imbeciles. Work all your life at this joke system and have nothing to show for it. If you want to grapple, try BJJ or wrestling.

[NewGenerationMA]

@MdUrTaOylDin there are two sides of this coin, the Tracy's Kenpo that was duped into a half ass system when trying to create the McDojo or the Gracie's Jiu Jitsu that tried to recreate the McDojo. Fact is real American Kenpo is where the US Military is reverting to. American Kenpo is a Hybrid,too sophisticated for these trolls.

[stephenrobertrae]

@MdUrTaOylDin Youre obviously retarded and mad. Even the instructor said there is no grappling. "the title "kenpo grappling" is a self contradiction. There is no actual grappling that is part of the required curriculum." -houseofKempoKarate.

[GoodNamesUnavailable]

These are BJJ techniques. Except for a few sloppy ones I cannot identify.

[withintemptationrock]

i always find grappling a laugh.:L im too tall for it hehe kills your knees when ur standing in horse stance trying to break the grip though XD

[SuperSneakySteve]

Chicks that can grapple are sexy!

[WaiteDavidMSPhysics]

Nice grappling, but to be honest, its not kenpo karate. Its Jujitsu originally from japanese Judo newaza which the Brazilians stole calling it Brazilian and then you too.

[NYAssassin]

@WaiteDavidMSPhysics Kempo has some Jujitsu in it mixed with other various martial arts

[WaiteDavidMSPhysics]

@NYAssassin

Um ... no.

I have a 3rd degree black belt in a kenpo system. I know what I'm talking about. There are a few stand up locks and throws and thats about all encorporated from jujitsu in classical kenpo systems. It was developed as a self defensive fighting art, not a 1v1 ground sport.

[NYAssassin]

@WaiteDavidMSPhysics Ok so why did you say no when you just confirmed it does have some jujitsu. That is all I said, I also never stated it was a ground sport ethier I know its for self defense purposes mostly I have studied kempo before as well. There are some throws and locks and I also had some moves and techniques that ended with a standing rnc and armbar. Maybe you should go back and read my statement again.

[GetDrizzy]

@houseofKenpoKarate I'm interested in Kenpo but I have to admit I'm unsure of its effectiveness after doing Muay thai for so many years.

[houseofKenpoKarate]

@GetDrizzy couldn't tell ya. I've never trained in Muai Thai, so I can't make any comparison. I'de say do what works for you. If Muai Thai works, then keep mastering it :)

Kenpo works for me. I like it.

[vlvl21]

@houseofKenpoKarate great reply dude.....

[CommunistProgressive]

some of those moves were very practical and well conceived might want to look a little harder at some of those moves. especially with the females.

[Eddiemotor]

A friend of mine practised Karate a couple of years ago, dunno how long though, she has forgotten most of it nowadays since it was so long ago she quited, but she show some sort of grip or so that supposly were about paralyzing someone else, she didnt remember much but remembered you could take a grip with the fingers around some part of the neck or so, like if you gripped a nerv or so, she dont remember, but what kind of grip/move was she thinking about?

Anyone knows? She practised selfdefense

[jaimesr20]

I'm black belt of Kenpo , and I think Kenpo is the union of diferent martial arts , aikido, Tkd, judo, boxeo, etc...so why not include jiujitsu ? I think is great ,keep trainig all you can !

[billysue2]

@jaimesr20 kenpo has zero in common with boxing,judo or tkd.Its a dose of rubbish in any school ive ever seen.

[NYAssassin]

@billysue2 I have studied Kempo for a while among other various martial arts and kempo does have boxing in it. Its a Hybrid martial art, the one I have taken had a cross between Karate of course, Boxing, Kung Fu, Jiujitsu, and Eskrima. There are a couple of different types of kempo, all of them carry different styles

[billysue2]

@NYAssassin im talking the most common type,ed parker kenpo,fools that spend all their time on forms and hitting thin air,yet call it self defense.

[NYAssassin]

@billysue2 Oh idk kno much about ed parker alls I know is the one I took had a little of all thoses arts in some way.

[CombatMedic2k9]

@houseofKenpoKarate

There is nothing wrong with learning grappling. It's the smart thing to do, I've studied Muay Thai, Brazilian Juijitsu, Combat Sambo, and am learning Capoeira... Grappling is so important in a battle... Great thinking.

[chrokeii]

In the beginning it showed the kenpo instructor with royce gracie. Does this mean that kenpo grappling techniques are all basically just bjj?

[billysue2]

@chrokeii of course it is but it looks like some basic wrestling is included.All they need to do now is quit the kenpo crap.

[assymcgee50]

we always had a very open minded teacher who didnt want us to get caught up in the traditions and doctrines of many closeminded schools thats why we would incorporate so many verstile groups in the same school to more perfect our forms of defense and attack anyways I really like that you are opening your eyes in the same way.

[assymcgee50]

When I used to do kenpo Integral we had guys from many diffrent backgrounds such as muay tai,boxing,capoera judo and jujitsu when we would train in non point sparring matches because lets face it 1 punch or kick isnt going to end the fight in most real world cases, we would always incorporate whatever we saw fit for the sircumstances.

[huachok]

this is brazilian jujitsu techniques...not kenpo karate....

[iloveGerardWay1424]

i just got my orange belt last friday, i get to begin basic grappling :D i cant wait...

[44excalibur]

Actually, when James Mitose brought Kosho-Ryu Kenpo to Hawaii, it was called Kenpo-Jujutsu, and grappling was just as much a part of it as striking was. William Chow incorporated more Kung-Fu into it and called it Kara-Ho Kenpo Karate. I think much of the grappling was removed by Ed Parker in favor of striking techniques when he created American Kenpo, at least that's what the Tracy's accuse him of. Right now, Kenpo is just re-integrating lost techniques that it used to have before.

[billysue2]

@44excalibur it isnt reintegrating anything,its adding bjj and mma in some schools.Those techniques were never in kenpo in the first place I guarantee you that.

[freakometer]

this is a good school to expose their students to a style they might run into out on the street.

also looks like lots of fun.

i also can't help but notice that these are the fittest Kenpo students I've seen.

[ebskenpo]

Very good my friend, all for development is good...

train hard...

[deek77]

Victory and defeat ultimately comes down to the fighter, not the style itself. When a Gracie lost a match for the first time, did that suddenly make BJJ ineffective? No, it just means anybody can lose a fight under the right conditions. True warriors learn to be ready for anything. Besides, winning, losing...it's all part of training, and part of life.

[millhouse23]

I just want to say very good response. You are absolutely correct. Too many closed minded people out there, which provides a false mindset. The truth is in the moment of combat--everything else is a lie.

[deek77]

Thanks, millhouse. Just gets me how we still play the "my-style is-better-than-yours" game. We can all learn from each other. Some of the best MMA fighters in history have traditional backgrounds somewhere. The old is refreshed and refinded by the new, and the new can find its roots in the old. Just like any tree or plant, it needs to be have strong roots, but it also must be pruned and cultivated.

...Alright, let me stop before I go all Kwai Chang Caine, here, LOL

[prettyprince567]

i wudnt say learning katas was a waste of time...u have no clue how challenging it is to do a kata in perfect form. when u have guys kicking and punching u from all angles while performing a kata u have to keep every muscle in your body tensed while moving as well. its kind of like combining conditioning and fitness together. its no easy stuff

[talon115]

I'm not attacking what you guys are doing...but that brings me to my point...Why waste time on a system that isn't effective? I once had a kenpo black belt come to where I was studying grappling, and not to knock the guy but anyone of us could have killed him. He brought a student of his with him so I actually took it easy on him so as not to shame the guy. He admitted that he had never seen most of the things we were doing.

[woodtigermartialarts]

How do people like lil357 comment and judge people from one video is beyond me? And yes I went to your page. You got guy a guy playing the guitar, a fat chick farting and a wasp fighting a spider taking place in your garage/club. These guys are light years ahead of most kenpo schools, but keep judging, right after you call an exterminator you can respond with more "knowledge"

[mrsmartypants09]

No dis. Wheres the kenpo? This is BJJ just like 99 percent of all kenpo grappling videos. Its not Kenpo. Not criticizing the techique at all, just the headline suggest something kenpo.

[kungfuxdrummer]

click on the link to their main site there is plenty of kenpo

[jessemanzo]

Don't get me wrong-an "A" for effort- but you guys gotta drill a bit more. All of the drills were sloppy. Avoid the Gracie stuff - take a Saulo Ribeiro seminar.

[CulturePeaceForever]

whoa,that female does effective grappleing

[TheNachtjager]

you should check out the other video called "Kenpo Karate Compilation"

[shodanx]

Hey,

Really good display of skills: I had a look at all your video's then looked over your web site. Good to see some strong Kenpoists on the other Coast. It's also really nice to see Grappling so heavily implemented in your Dojo.

* I need to get some of my new stuff posted

Cheers,

Trevor

[Hakufuichi]

It's good to see grappling being taken seriously in a Kenpo-Karate Dojo. This is one aspect that is often neglected in what is considered a stand-up style. If Kenpo is about anything, it is adapting to any circumstance. Excellent work, keep it up.

[CounterforCounter]

Very nice.

[jesuskopp]

I love the drills and the song. Well done guys and gals!!!

[JimmyTheKirkie]

P.S. Don....It's better with sound...LOL

Take care.

[JimmyTheKirkie]

I said it before and I'll say it again. What is a "Pure" martial art? If we as instructors do not evolve our arts with current conditions then we are destined to become just like..........ok, you get the hint. I have 25 years of Shorin Ryu under my belt and only 5 years of Kenpo. We/ I, teach what you are supposed to do if you go to ground in my Kenpo class. You gotta know what to do! I never learned or taught any real extensive ground fighting prior to Kenpo!

[kempobrad]

nicely put. all arts are...or were...or better yet...should be eclectic and evolving. even okinawan karate guys are always finding new ways to interpret their kata. one needs only try to understand and apply the "principles" of their art on the ground to realize that every art has the potential to be effective on the ground.

[cmoore300]

you guys rock hell of a job keep up the good work 5 stars salute

[TheNachtjager]

this video turned out great and it rocks!!!

[CulturePeaceForever]

I've read amazing things about the Gracie family in Black Belt magazine!

[CulturePeaceForever]

I thought twining legs onto someone surely kept them from moving,But really, theres lots more technique needed. Thank you for the video,&good to see more of your female students in the videos! :) :)

[sushistew]

great vid, keep the them coming

[lilbean19]

very cool video. grappling is awesome. its definitley a good work out.

[charleyfan]

Rewriting my comment. I was a karate student and instructor for close to 15 years. I studied Shito Ryu Seikokai Karate. I went to a workshop that showed some kenpo in it years ago but there was no grappling that I remember. Landon was explaining the technique to me a bit ago. I find this grappling fascinating to watch. It shows you how to get out of tight situations.

[houseofKenpoKarate]

yes, haha, the title "kenpo grappling" is a self contradiction. There is no actual grappling that is part of the required curriculum. Although it should be as I believe that there should be more weapons training in it too (the Tracy System at least).

[lordhumongos]

I agree whole hartedly, we do some ground work in our school and I find that kali concepts lock nicely with the system. A also think that there are techniques that are meant for a knife, "lowering the gate" and "guarding the wall" for example.

[houseofKenpoKarate]

ah, yes. I see you're not the only one who observed that kenpo techniques can be mixed with weapons. Thats where our tonfa, kama and escrima stick katas came from. They were all created by students with the sensei for tourneys and what not. You should check them out and tell me what you think, they're all on this account.

[ATACXGYM]

@lordhumongos Ed Parker's Kenpo karate is indeed highly applicable to weapons and that wasn't accidental.We have weapons forms;there are videos of Ed Parker and his students doing knife forms.His version of Kenpo merges beautifully with Kali and that's how I started learning my weapons skills.It also merges gorgeously with iaido,which I also study.

[ATACXGYM]

@houseofKenpoKarate That's actually not true.I believe a more accurate statement is:"GROUND GRAPPLING isn't stressed and trained traditionally in Ed Parker's Kenpo.However,the Tracy's say his teacherProfessor Chow had ground grappling akin to judo and jujutsu,Ed Parker just removed it. Kenpo has ground STRIKING. Ed Parker's old skool Kenpo also didn't emphasize vertical grappling,although it had plenty of it.Kenpo has the arsenal when trained correctly to be a brutal Karate-Jujutsu hybrid."

[ATACXGYM]

@charleyfan I hold a 5th dan in kenpo,a black in several arts including judo and in hapkido a blue in bjj .There's STANDUP grappling in American Kenpo Karate,focusing on strikes traps manipulations etc. more than locks and subholds.But Kenpo literally has Sleeper Holds,wristlocks,sweeps throws tackles etc,too.In Ed Parker's Kenpo, ground grappling training was essentially nonexistent until the rise of MMA.Watch my Channel for ground grappling AND ground fighting.They're not the same.

[zankwack]

Great training well done nice flow. The music goes well with it also.

[1devene]

I dont know much about grappling, it is not part of the curriculem, that I know of at our DOJO. Doesn't it branch from Brazil? It does look like fun though,I saw the smiles LOL

[billysue2]

@1devene grappling doesnt come from brazil bjj does.All effective arts include grappling anyway,if yours doesnt its not effective.

[AndreIreland]

Very good video & well put together. Gives a good overall view of grappling techniques.

[RYUS0069]

Martial arts training which is good VIDEO

[Hippylife420]

Very nicely made, I enjoyed the music but found it didn't quite fit, at first. The grappling (not sure how that's said as a non-plural word) around 1:10 looked very solid. Good video.