There is nothing wrong in liking a girl. It is a natural thing for a man to do. The wrong thing is to connect emotionally and avoid the connection in spirit and body (not being married). Connecting emotionally (as already presented) means joining in soul with a girl. This can only happen by opening the heart and sharing emotions with each other, obviously. When a connection is made outside of marriage, it can't be God's will. It's as wrong as connecting with another girl when you're married.
Based on what you said, the quote you said at 12:40 I 100% disagree with you. You may mean when you idolize a girl then yes I believe that is not pure, but thats not what you said. And I know you are using the commandment of not coveting entirely incorrectly in your example. Coveting is wanting to have what someone else has. A single woman with no husband simply cannot be coveted. And again, you can like and desire a girl without sinning. If you arent idolizing or lusting after her, no sin.
@FeenyGeorge You may disagree. The important thing is to be Biblical. I would encourage you to study more about the Biblical meaning of coveting before saying you "know" I used it incorrectly. A single woman CAN be coveted, as coveting means "desiring what is not yours." And yes, you can like and desire a girl without sinning, in marriage...outside of marriage: sin (if it involves you taking steps to get emotionally connected with her). Thanks for your input though.
@tatanoel Alright so you cant be emotionally connected to a girl before youre married? So you believe in arranged marriages only? Your idea of emotional connection is simply that, YOUR IDEA. Not the Bible's. I 100% AGREE that it is sin to lust after a girl however a man can want a girl to be his wife and be interested in her without being in sin. If not, then arranged marriages is the ONLY way to go. And you still havent clearly backed up about engagement. In what way can an engagment be sinless
@FeenyGeorge I am not gonna reply to you through youtube anymore. If you are open to understading the truth, then you can send me an e-mail to tatanoel@hotmail.com. I pray you may grow more in the knowledge of God. Take care.
@tatanoel Please stop trying to degrade me and insinuate that I don't study the Bible when you do not know me. You are attacking me rather than defending your message. And praying that I may grow more in knowledge of God? Are you really praying that to God or are you just exclaiming that publicly like a pagan? The principle of coveting is not what doesn't belong to you but rather what does belong to someone else. There is a HUGE difference between those two clauses And yes I have studied this.
You are absolutely incorrect about your interpretation of coveting. When the Bible says "wife".. it means "wife" a woman that belongs to her husband. We can't expand the Bible and say it includes all women. Point is you said liking and desiring a girl is coveting and I do not agree, u can like a girl and desire her in a non lustful/sinful way. Secondly, engagement is NOT marriage already , numerous couple get engaged and dont actually marry is that then divorce?
@FeenyGeorge I'm just telling you what I've studied in the original Hebrew language about the word coveting. If you don't want to accept it, I can do nothing about it. When I told you the word "wife" in that verse may mean a "woman" in a general sense, I'm not giving my opinion, I'm stating what the original word in Hebrew means......First, if you do not agree, I cannot do anything about that either. I'm just teaching what the Bible says. Secondly, please form a Biblical definition of engagement
@tatanoel There is no biblical definition for engagement, which is why I'm asking you what you believe in that instance. This is a culture difference between then and now. But it is safe to say that an engaged couple has an emotional connection and rightly so. But you cannot say that an engaged couple is already married, because if they break it, surely that is not divorce. So do you agree or disagree that a man can like and desire a woman without coveting/sinning? You seem to say it is a sin.
@tatanoel And the whole idea of coveting you have is incorrect. The point is not to yearn or desire to have what SOMEBODY else has. The principle is desiring the belongings of someone else. It's coveting to desire your neighbors house, however it is not coveting to desire to own a house one day. In the same way it's coveting to want your neighbors wife but not coveting (i.e.sinning) to want a woman be your wife (single of course) two entirely different concepts that you are combining.
@FeenyGeorge you keep insisting on a wrong definition of coveting, like if you hadn't even read my replies. Please study the Bible more in order to understand the definition of coveting. It is not what you say it is. If you would study the Bible with an open mind, forgetting everything you have learned from the world, you would understand what I am saying. The emotional connection concept, along with the spiritual and physical connection are ALL from the Bible. Please study more before replying.
I will explain what I meant in a short video so you can see my point...I will post it here and put a note on the original video so that anyone who has a question can watch the other shorter video where I explain the concept.....
The verse is taken out of context.... Feeny is right.... How can you marry someone without there being an emotional connection? I understand desiring someone in lust for sexual desires is sinful and to covet someone elses wife or husband is sinful as well.... But just to like someone or be engaged and in love sinful? I don't think so.. "when you look at a girl and like her and desire her... That's coveting.." Ummm not true.
@MrColinSullivan Please provide some biblical principle that would make an emotional connection with a girl prior to marriage something that God would favor.
@burrette The principle in the Bible has always been commitment and then the development of a relationship. Nowhere have I seen (in the Biblie) that a man meets a girl, they experience emotions mutually known, and then choose to get married as a result. If that were the case, then there is no real foundation on the marriage rather that it felt good to be with that person. Whereas, abstaining from it yields to an unbiased study of a person, which then leads you to make a decision to get married.
@ASDrew94 (Please excuse my spelling) I do not seek to treat this subject as a matter of debating who is right. It's something that we see in daily life and we should seek for the will of God in everything. Connections between men and women are meant for marriage. Otherwise, it should be fraternal love.
@FeenyGeorge "falling in love" is also a shady expression....if by falling in love, you mean "liking" someone, then you definitely "fall in love" before marriage, and that's normal.....but I see falling in love more like following your emotional reactions toward a girl or guy...if this means taking action on your emotions, then yes, I am saying that falling in love should only occur until after marriage.....
@davidmphoto "When you look at a girl and you like her and you desire her, that's coveting"
I think it's pretty clear that he says liking a girl and desiring her is coveting. Right at 12:40
Coveting in the Ten Commandments (from the verse he read) talks about coveting the belongings of someone else whether it be house or wife.. WIFE.. (which belongs to her husband) not a single woman. You can't equate liking a girl to coveting a man's wife as it said in that verse. It's out of context.
2. You can like a girl and desire her (not in a sexual way or in a lustful way).
Explain to me how you can marry a girl WITHOUT there being an emotional connection. You can have an emotional connection with someone and it be pure and in no way is that sinful. That statement is saying you can't have an emotional connection with a girl prior to marriage and be without sin. That simply doesn't make any sense. Tatanoel please answer my Q's.
@davidmphoto In fact, since when is desiring evil? Coveting is sinful but it doesn't apply here as I expressed. I'm sure you are familiar with Psalm 37:4 "Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the DESIRES of your heart." Surely this verse does not mean God will give you what you covet, correct?
@FeenyGeorge Psalm 37:4 uses completely different words in the hebrew for both "delight" and "desires"...the word "desires" there actually means "petitions".....plus, desiring per se is not sinful, unless God has commanded specifically not to desire something....but even then, it is always sinful when you follow through with your actions when God does not allow those actions...God created emotional connections for marriage....and those are very good in marriage...
@FeenyGeorge coveting simply means desiring something that's not yours...for a single guy, any girl is not his....that is, until he takes one for marriage. Just as when Jesus said that lusting after a woman is committing adultery, but he does not say anything for single men, right? Yet we know that he means single men too. Also, the word for "wife" in that verse may refer to "woman" in a broad sense, but that's not the point, the point is that you should not desire what's not yours...
@FeenyGeorge I don't think I said that liking a girl equals coveting.....the problem is not liking a girl, the problem is following your emotions when you like a girl.....if you start taking steps to follow your heart in desiring a girl, then that's coveting.....
Engagement is hard to define because for God what matters is the commitment that you make with Him......so, the relationship proceeds from the spiritual connection first, then the soul, and finally the body...
@FeenyGeorge engagement could be marriage already in God's eyes, the only thing is that you're waiting for the formal ceremony and you proceed from your spiritual commitment, to emotional connections, to finally physical connections on the wedding day....
There is nothing wrong in liking a girl. It is a natural thing for a man to do. The wrong thing is to connect emotionally and avoid the connection in spirit and body (not being married). Connecting emotionally (as already presented) means joining in soul with a girl. This can only happen by opening the heart and sharing emotions with each other, obviously. When a connection is made outside of marriage, it can't be God's will. It's as wrong as connecting with another girl when you're married.
ASDrew94 3 months ago
@ASDrew94 joining "in soul" with a girl is no where to be found in the Bible. And you did not answer my question. Is it coveting and sinful?
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
Jacob was in love with Rachel and said, “I’ll work for you seven years in return for your younger daughter Rachel.” - Genesis 29:18.
God created us the ability to LOVE others. He also gave us emotions and loving/liking someone without being married to him/her is NOT A SIN.
Lusting after them, yes, that is sin ... but LOVING and LIKING is not wrong, nor DESIRING to marry a person.
burrette 3 months ago
Based on what you said, the quote you said at 12:40 I 100% disagree with you. You may mean when you idolize a girl then yes I believe that is not pure, but thats not what you said. And I know you are using the commandment of not coveting entirely incorrectly in your example. Coveting is wanting to have what someone else has. A single woman with no husband simply cannot be coveted. And again, you can like and desire a girl without sinning. If you arent idolizing or lusting after her, no sin.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge You may disagree. The important thing is to be Biblical. I would encourage you to study more about the Biblical meaning of coveting before saying you "know" I used it incorrectly. A single woman CAN be coveted, as coveting means "desiring what is not yours." And yes, you can like and desire a girl without sinning, in marriage...outside of marriage: sin (if it involves you taking steps to get emotionally connected with her). Thanks for your input though.
tatanoel 3 months ago
@tatanoel Alright so you cant be emotionally connected to a girl before youre married? So you believe in arranged marriages only? Your idea of emotional connection is simply that, YOUR IDEA. Not the Bible's. I 100% AGREE that it is sin to lust after a girl however a man can want a girl to be his wife and be interested in her without being in sin. If not, then arranged marriages is the ONLY way to go. And you still havent clearly backed up about engagement. In what way can an engagment be sinless
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge I am not gonna reply to you through youtube anymore. If you are open to understading the truth, then you can send me an e-mail to tatanoel@hotmail.com. I pray you may grow more in the knowledge of God. Take care.
tatanoel 3 months ago
@tatanoel Please stop trying to degrade me and insinuate that I don't study the Bible when you do not know me. You are attacking me rather than defending your message. And praying that I may grow more in knowledge of God? Are you really praying that to God or are you just exclaiming that publicly like a pagan? The principle of coveting is not what doesn't belong to you but rather what does belong to someone else. There is a HUGE difference between those two clauses And yes I have studied this.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
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FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
You are absolutely incorrect about your interpretation of coveting. When the Bible says "wife".. it means "wife" a woman that belongs to her husband. We can't expand the Bible and say it includes all women. Point is you said liking and desiring a girl is coveting and I do not agree, u can like a girl and desire her in a non lustful/sinful way. Secondly, engagement is NOT marriage already , numerous couple get engaged and dont actually marry is that then divorce?
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge I'm just telling you what I've studied in the original Hebrew language about the word coveting. If you don't want to accept it, I can do nothing about it. When I told you the word "wife" in that verse may mean a "woman" in a general sense, I'm not giving my opinion, I'm stating what the original word in Hebrew means......First, if you do not agree, I cannot do anything about that either. I'm just teaching what the Bible says. Secondly, please form a Biblical definition of engagement
tatanoel 3 months ago
@tatanoel There is no biblical definition for engagement, which is why I'm asking you what you believe in that instance. This is a culture difference between then and now. But it is safe to say that an engaged couple has an emotional connection and rightly so. But you cannot say that an engaged couple is already married, because if they break it, surely that is not divorce. So do you agree or disagree that a man can like and desire a woman without coveting/sinning? You seem to say it is a sin.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@tatanoel And the whole idea of coveting you have is incorrect. The point is not to yearn or desire to have what SOMEBODY else has. The principle is desiring the belongings of someone else. It's coveting to desire your neighbors house, however it is not coveting to desire to own a house one day. In the same way it's coveting to want your neighbors wife but not coveting (i.e.sinning) to want a woman be your wife (single of course) two entirely different concepts that you are combining.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge you keep insisting on a wrong definition of coveting, like if you hadn't even read my replies. Please study the Bible more in order to understand the definition of coveting. It is not what you say it is. If you would study the Bible with an open mind, forgetting everything you have learned from the world, you would understand what I am saying. The emotional connection concept, along with the spiritual and physical connection are ALL from the Bible. Please study more before replying.
tatanoel 3 months ago
I will explain what I meant in a short video so you can see my point...I will post it here and put a note on the original video so that anyone who has a question can watch the other shorter video where I explain the concept.....
tatanoel 3 months ago
The verse is taken out of context.... Feeny is right.... How can you marry someone without there being an emotional connection? I understand desiring someone in lust for sexual desires is sinful and to covet someone elses wife or husband is sinful as well.... But just to like someone or be engaged and in love sinful? I don't think so.. "when you look at a girl and like her and desire her... That's coveting.." Ummm not true.
MrColinSullivan 3 months ago
@MrColinSullivan Please provide some biblical principle that would make an emotional connection with a girl prior to marriage something that God would favor.
ASDrew94 3 months ago
@ASDrew94 ... provide a biblical principle that would make an emotional connection with a girl prior to marriage something that God would NOT favor.
burrette 3 months ago
@burrette The principle in the Bible has always been commitment and then the development of a relationship. Nowhere have I seen (in the Biblie) that a man meets a girl, they experience emotions mutually known, and then choose to get married as a result. If that were the case, then there is no real foundation on the marriage rather that it felt good to be with that person. Whereas, abstaining from it yields to an unbiased study of a person, which then leads you to make a decision to get married.
ASDrew94 3 months ago
@ASDrew94 (Please excuse my spelling) I do not seek to treat this subject as a matter of debating who is right. It's something that we see in daily life and we should seek for the will of God in everything. Connections between men and women are meant for marriage. Otherwise, it should be fraternal love.
ASDrew94 3 months ago
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FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
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@ASDrew94 Do you support the idea that liking a girl and desiring to marry her (not lusting) is coveting and therefore sinful?
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
Sounds like you are saying you can't fall in love with someone until AFTER you marry them.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge "falling in love" is also a shady expression....if by falling in love, you mean "liking" someone, then you definitely "fall in love" before marriage, and that's normal.....but I see falling in love more like following your emotional reactions toward a girl or guy...if this means taking action on your emotions, then yes, I am saying that falling in love should only occur until after marriage.....
tatanoel 3 months ago
You are taking coveting out of context. Liking a girl does not equal coveting.
Absolutely not.
Do you believe two people who are engaged are in sin because they are emotionally joined and are not yet married?
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
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davidmphoto 3 months ago
@davidmphoto "When you look at a girl and you like her and you desire her, that's coveting"
I think it's pretty clear that he says liking a girl and desiring her is coveting. Right at 12:40
Coveting in the Ten Commandments (from the verse he read) talks about coveting the belongings of someone else whether it be house or wife.. WIFE.. (which belongs to her husband) not a single woman. You can't equate liking a girl to coveting a man's wife as it said in that verse. It's out of context.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge Again, he is not saying that the simple fact of liking a girl is coveting. He is saying that liking a girl AND desiring her is coveting.
davidmphoto 3 months ago
@davidmphoto
1. The verse was taken out of context.
2. You can like a girl and desire her (not in a sexual way or in a lustful way).
Explain to me how you can marry a girl WITHOUT there being an emotional connection. You can have an emotional connection with someone and it be pure and in no way is that sinful. That statement is saying you can't have an emotional connection with a girl prior to marriage and be without sin. That simply doesn't make any sense. Tatanoel please answer my Q's.
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@davidmphoto In fact, since when is desiring evil? Coveting is sinful but it doesn't apply here as I expressed. I'm sure you are familiar with Psalm 37:4 "Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the DESIRES of your heart." Surely this verse does not mean God will give you what you covet, correct?
FeenyGeorge 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge Psalm 37:4 uses completely different words in the hebrew for both "delight" and "desires"...the word "desires" there actually means "petitions".....plus, desiring per se is not sinful, unless God has commanded specifically not to desire something....but even then, it is always sinful when you follow through with your actions when God does not allow those actions...God created emotional connections for marriage....and those are very good in marriage...
tatanoel 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge coveting simply means desiring something that's not yours...for a single guy, any girl is not his....that is, until he takes one for marriage. Just as when Jesus said that lusting after a woman is committing adultery, but he does not say anything for single men, right? Yet we know that he means single men too. Also, the word for "wife" in that verse may refer to "woman" in a broad sense, but that's not the point, the point is that you should not desire what's not yours...
tatanoel 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge I don't think I said that liking a girl equals coveting.....the problem is not liking a girl, the problem is following your emotions when you like a girl.....if you start taking steps to follow your heart in desiring a girl, then that's coveting.....
Engagement is hard to define because for God what matters is the commitment that you make with Him......so, the relationship proceeds from the spiritual connection first, then the soul, and finally the body...
tatanoel 3 months ago
@FeenyGeorge engagement could be marriage already in God's eyes, the only thing is that you're waiting for the formal ceremony and you proceed from your spiritual commitment, to emotional connections, to finally physical connections on the wedding day....
tatanoel 3 months ago