Comment 2: Upon rebuttal the creationist asks “If it wasn’t god, then what was it?”, unfortunately people tend to answer this if they can (In this case via evolution). This makes the question seem reasonable. When it in fact ignores the burden of proof and the reason people believed god was the cause of: Hurricanes, Volcanoes, Lightning, Tsunamis, etc. In times when there were no scientific explanation.
This is insanity; the “logic” here is “I have seen complexity that seems impossible to be the product of nature therefore GOD”. This is as good reasoning as “I see an object in the sky that seems unnatural therefore ALIENS”.
@HighFlyingDutchman but why does it require a source of intelligence to exist? You haven't answered the question, you've just essentially said "because it does."
because we observe an amazing intelligence in definitely unconscious atoms-cells-organs-systems in every single detail,we see cleverness and logic,which "blind and deaf" matter do not possess
@HighFlyingDutchman I understand that it is a satisfying theory that the universe in all its logical complexity and detail could be the result of an intelligent mind, but personally it seems equally as likely that the universe does not require an intelligent source and has merely always been and is in a constant cycle of expansion and contraction. Much like everything in nature is constantly cycling. However neither theory can be proven.
@HeatVisionPaolo Right the big difference is, science seeks answers, religion doesn`t . God did it, Amen, Alleluiah. What science will be able to prove is anybody`s guess.
@HighFlyingDutchman: An "amazing intelligence" would have made the cell much simpler. What inventor will make a complicated machine, when he can make a simple one with the same efficiency ?
@tallliza well if evolution is so GREAT !??? Then why would it lead to a termite and never evolve to having sight and ability to hear. The very theoretic notion of evolution says this type should have died out in the process before this standard of perfection.. After all with evol the strongest and more genetic increase is the one that survives right? See the problem with Evolution is too many unanswered questions and will NEVER be able to answer ! can you say Platypus ?
@jfitguru See the problem with Evolution is too many unanswered questions and will NEVER be able to answer ... see the problem with creation is they never answer the questions HOW, WHY, or WHEN. God did it ,Amen, Alleluiha. You nor I nor anybody else knows in what circumstances the termites evolved. The fact is they didn`t need sight and they lost it or never got it to begin with. They developed a way of working together without sight. Proof that evolution works.
@jfitguru And one more comment, why do you expect that science must have the ability to answer all questions. If you know how science works, it will never be able to answer all questions. Otherwise it would be perfect. Do you believe in astronomy ? Do you think they manually measured the distance to the moon ? Yet you believe it. right ? The objections to evolution do not originate because it is bad science,but stem from the fact that it contradicts Genesis.
@jfitguru You should ask your creator, why didn`t provide termites with sight and hearing. He certainly must have a reason. Pray, and he will tell you his secret.
@tallliza Hey EXCELLENT RESPONSES !! Now that was an intelligent and well thought response. That I can absolutely respect ! I want to say Thank you for not using emotion or slander to prove some perspective ! You bring an intriguing and scientific question or area worth investigation. We all have the same science, same evidence and findings to use for each side or point. The real crux of our debate is the INTERPRETATION of the findings, measurements and view points of our discoveries.
Cont: @tallliza: So my approach is that DNA, Cell structure, and scientific evidence (I believe in seeking and discovery), points to a creator ! Yes Absolutely. Now many "NON" Christians will admit to an I.D. but not necessarily a CREATOR.. However I can accpet I.D. Its the Evolution that I cant buy anymore. And I was one who used to teach Evolution.
So what's your point, religious man ? I don't know termites, but I have studied ants *a lot*. Evolution theory works great for those animals, and yet they are as organized as termites. Scientists *know* what leads ants and termites to act the way they act. They are able to produce pheromones and spread it over colonies to proove their theories.
You and your Great Stupid Imaginary Friend cannot do so. But, hey, maybe you are right and the universe has a Creator ; that's just not the point.
The point is this,termites who dont even have eyes to see and brains to allow them think and make plans,build such hives intelligently
The point is not what they use while communicating each other
Like a tribesman who sees a TV for the first time and discovers how it works after tens of years but he is still unaware of the TV station or the satellite
Scientists discover how things work,but never realize where all the intelligence&information come from
Well, even believers can't proov god, and there are many religions, who claim to be right,
it's heart to believe in books like the Quran or the bible, if they don't have evidence, and are contradicting themself and know scientific facts, as evolution.
If for example Mohammed would have revealed, for example 100 digits of eulers number, or maybe, digit 1000-1100 from pi. that would be evidence, and would convince many people, but the book is against scientificly proofed facts, as far I found out
and if you believe in God,why dont you think that He was generous enough to share the truth with us,at least the truth about ourselves,where we come from and where we are going to
ppl dont forget to rate theese religious propaganda videos. especially the islamic extremists are very well organized and relentlessly promote their religion! don't let them have youtube!
I mean many scientists say that although the big bang is a reasonable explaination for the creationof the world it is still a theory and needs to be proven.
Well I'm not a Muslim, but I do agree that God is in control. I mean we all know that the termite queen sends the pheremons( sorry for the spelling=]) out to the workers, but why does she do it. After all she has no conscience or reason why does she do it. Your all probably gonna say that the termites ants and bees were all once solitary and eventually came together to form colonies, but even in my own science book it says it's just a theory.
Animals don't have a conscience or reason to do it. You don't have a conscience to get hungry, you simply do. It's a primitive function that occurs without any thought.
Colony life probably started with a group of females of any species nesting close to each other, so when one is away collecting food there will always be another nearby to protect her eggs and, inadvertently, the eggs of her neighbors. The nesting in close proximity to one another eventually led to groups of sisters sharing a single, huge nest. Since they are sisters they all share many of the same genes, and it is in the interest of each one's genetic legacy to protect her sister's eggs.
Evolution can easily describe the evolution of a highly organized colonial society like that. Ants, Bees, and Wasps all evolved from solitary wasps, Termites evolved from solitary cockroaches, Naked Mole Rats evolved from... mole rats, and there are also colonies of tiny pistol shrimp that live in sponges. All of these have "queens, workers, and soldiers". A marvelous example of convergent evolution.
Termites do not create really. They do sort of but there creations are from destroying something else. So in the garden of eden where were these guys? considering that there was no death or destruction in the garden how did they survive?
Well actually they only eat dead wood so their not really destroying anything and they do grow their own gardens so they really create more than they destroy.
For termites to survive, there must be dead wood present (based on your claim, if there's more to it then ignore me :D)
There could not have been any dead wood in the garden, as nothing died in the garden. Therefore, termites could not have existed in the garden of eden, therefore the claim that all animals were in their present forms in the garden of eden is false. Therefore the bible's creation story of the garden of eden is incorrect in at least one respect.
Your too close minded in this statment. What is it that makes live wood and dead wood different. Do you think that God would be incapable of creating a tree that has the same chemical composition of a dead tree, yet grows from the earth regularly?
You have yet to even begin to understand the power of a God by definition. Let alone the one that exists.
Its a funny fact that there are no intelligent creationists with which to argue anymore. No doubt there are still creationists who chose to argue, throw around insults and declare evolutionists are going to hell, but the intelligent ones all passed high school level biology and got over the greatest lie ever told
who ever made this movie, was very religious. Secondly, just because they don't have sound or light interceptors, doesn't mean they don't have chemical form of communication, which can be quite sophisticated as well. Since the clip is biased towards religion, it was not covered thoroughly ...
I believe that it is possible evolution is a tool of God. One thing science has shown us is that God uses natural processes to define the universe. I think that stating otherwise takes credit from him. there is no "magic" in the universe. If you stop to consider the idea that he built everything we see from the atomic level up to the vast galactic formations over billions of years, its pretty incredible. Anyhow, just something to think about. ty for the video
i do not believe in god or any aspect of him and i know people are alowed to say and feel what ever they want but this documentry thing says given to them bye god and it could well have been evolution and not the work off god there is no proof that god exists only the bible and word of mouth
I'm not a Muslim but a Christian. I don't beleive that God controls everything that a termite does... but I do believe He created all nature and knows exactly what is going on every second of every day. He can intervine (Daniel in the lions den) but usual allows things to run its course. We must remember nature is neat (glorifing God) but secondary to God's plans of redeeming people to Himself. Remember, love is a choice. The price has been paido he cross... but be to accept it. Peace.
Oh, I bet god controls those worms currently eating my grandmother god commands the blind mole rat to dig holes god ordered the tape worm to climb up my cousins backside (no jokes) I bet god does
/sarcasm mode off
Go **** yourself, seriously, there are other options to sight having very powerful senses to detect vibrations is one way to navigate.
No disrespect to "The Good book" (Depends on what one what your killing each for) but, its a very nice story, just not true.
Harun Yahya is the most ignorant muslim in the world. And for those of you who don't he has been accused of raping young girls and also recording the rape to blackmail the girls and also this asshole was recently convicted of giving criminal threats and fraud.
People do not believe "in" evolution. They either believe that it happened or it didn't. I believe it did, and a god had nothing to do with it or if it did it is a peculiar god who would have no resemblance to his/her portrayl in those wonderful pieces of fiction called the bible and the koran.
Wow, this has got to be the biggest bit of propaganda I've ever seen! To personify "God" as a human being controlling termites is completely off-base. Second, putting down evolution and putting "God" behind everything lacks "reasoning." Instincts are developed over LONG PERIODS of time and adaptation. I do believe in a unifying force between all life and a connectedness between it all, and the power of the Universe is indeed amazing, but this "documentary" looks just like one thing -- brainwash!
I'm sorry to intervene, but calling other people brainwashed when one disregards all the research that has been done on pheromones and says "God did it, there's no other explanation because my holy book says so" is kind of ironic. Have a good day
Being a human, you believe eyes are mandatory because they play such a role in your own life. These termites did not "overcome" blindness, because they were *meant* to be blind. Humans were *NOT* meant to be or become blind, so comparing them to these termites is insulting. The situations are different and interchangeable! Of course, you religious nuts don't care who you insult, as long as you score points with the fairy-tale in the sky, right?
so how would evolution explain this? did u carefuly consider both side of the story when u call this video ignorant logic? it's ok if u did, but if u didn't then who is the one that is ignorant?
and another thing, PEOPLE ANRT TERMITES!! why are they comparing them. the might not have eyes or ears, but thell have somthing to comunicate with. probalby smell or somthing or vibration.
...yeah they call those antennae genius. =)They're blind, but they're sensitive to touch. Has anyone brought up "instinct" yet?
The fact ants and termites build these giant metropolises isn't due to a pre-meditated plan. They know they need a place to store it, they know they need a place to put the queen. They go from there: Everything else as long with chimneys, cooling etc. is a miracle...
and it works cos all the termites have the same dna, jsut in different types different parts are stimulated. all of them have the abilitiy say have big jaws, just only some of them have them due to the relece of a hormone or somthing. i mean its still crazy how the queens dna codes for all this ie differnt workers having different characteristics activated in different amounts but all it is is protiens being constructed acording to the instructions the dna contain.
lol evil-ution, you sad basterd. evolution is real, you can witness it uner a microscope, its just the act of faverable genes being passed on to the next generation. and you can deny genes being passed on cos you wouldnt exist if they didnt. people like like you suck, you use your clearly the one denying the truth. religion is just a tool invented to keep people under contoll. you enver notice ho all religions say killing is wrong, unless you kind/ ruler tells you otherwise, think about it!
what rubish god aint real this is done by evaloution there queen in there coleny they comunicate through there antenie god aint real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok
Something in nature we don't understand immediately? God did it!
What have we learnt? Nothing!
Don't ask questions! God did it!
Besides, there actually are natural explanations for eusociality. In swarm intelligence systems, the agents follow very simple rules generally out of the need for survial which leads to very complex rules/algorithms at the systems level. Ants and termites use pheromones to direct each other. They may be blind and deaf, but they can smell, and that's enough for them
what rubish god aint real this is done by evaloution there queen in there coleny they comunicate through there antenie god aint real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok
I'm actually not sure whether you're agreeing with me or trying to be sarcastic, but please do something about your spelling, in your own interest. But yes, it all happens through the antennae, that's where an insect's olfactory organs are to be found. But you can't argue for/against the existence of a god through science. Science doesn't say anything about god(s), and it shouldn't. Saying evolution equals atheism is a false dichotomy
Thanks :) The disturbing (or funny) thing is I'm not even a biologist (I work in another field of science) and I'm better qualified to speak about this matter than the film maker. Imagine what a biologist would be able to do. What I've written previously is/should be overall knowledge. This is part of basic scientific literacy. And it's lacking in this video. I think that says it all about the legetimacy of the claims made in this arrogant little piece of propaganda.
God and Allah are different, even though Allah means god, it is not God. theres a difference. God calls Jesus his Son, and says he is the only way to heaven. muslim and christian beliefs have a very critical difference here.
Harun Yahya makes amazing videos. When termites are in your home, they can destroy it, and ants can live off of what termites produces. If you have ants in your home crawling around, you have termites.
and he created peadophiles and serial killers and terroists and the idea of endless other gods and rapists and people who torture people.
and thnk about what you just said, god created himself, how the fuck would that work. somthing that donstn exist cant create anything, especially itself. people like you make me angry.
e virus do you think this the first debate between evolutionists ?
evolutionists have many reasons for thier belief in a theory[many hate or reject god, thus use the theory to con others that evolution means no god] this is not so
it is claimed as proof and science yet is neither , what does it prove [life came from nothing]?[which fossils deney gods hand?
evolution says nothing about the origin of life,anyone who says it does must be reminded just what evolution the theory of evolution is. the general atheistic answer to where life came from is chemical reactions, not nothing. there are two things called evolution, the fact(creatures change over time) and the explination(through genetic mutations and natural selection) the fact is proven, the theory has vary strong evidence to support it, but like you hinted at science dosn't do proof.
my name is not the resualt of using the word virus it is the fanfare to a mistranslated lyric. and i go where the bad arguements are i made no attempt to hide my rebuttels, everyone is a reply to a specific comment.
could you please refrain from relating me to satan in your replies it realy shows your ignorance. science is about seeing what is really going on, we no longer attribute illness to satan, we see that it is caused by germs injury and genetic defects. why do you wish to bring us back to the time in which we must fear every dissent, every illness, every injury, every loss, every bad thing that happens to us as the act of an ultimate evil entity? instead of understanding the real forces at work?
a vir us all please present fact well you deney satan with words but you too must deney him in deed disent is the way of the jinns in hell in the heavens all remains in hamonious truth thanks be to the 19 ,and our god see you not the only real force is all loving all mercyfull all living grace [the only true force dosnt need force but freewill alone]
are you trying to baptise me over the internet? well i wont go all the way but here you go
i denounce all evil and dishonest actions both those commited by those attempting to do harm and those attempting to help but resorting in hishonest or evil practices to ultimatly help. those who disagree with me are not evil, nor are the unwilling subjects of an ultimate evil, to accuse such things would be dishonest and to be dishonest is to invite evil.
blessings be upon you evirus god loves our repentant heart but it is to him you must make amen-ds there is truelly none of us with out sin[for god alone is perfect we are all decieved by men, thus we know only god is truth knowing gods goodness we can try to be as he is we all fall before his glowing greatness, it is not a sin but a sign ,to reveal to us we can tell good from lie love from hate spirit from flesh real from illusion may peace be upon you
i never said i accepted god. plus the idea that a good god would allow his creation to sin, and recieve the punishment of eternal damnation is rather ludacris(and don't chalk this up to free will either because that concept is incompatable with the ability of an entity to know everything, also how does not putting the tree in the garden affect our free will, was our free will affected by not allowing us breathe fire naturally?)
eternal damnation [a wondefull word satan would use to generate fear[ so one who thinks he has small sins , will commit more evil because in his mind he feels he is allready condemmed to hell, thus thinks he has nothing to lose
the link i gave you that you removed explains the concept
briefly say you are a car, inside it is your spirit driving it ,how you drive it earns heaven or hell
the body can do good or evil, god made the body and lets the spirit have freewill to do as he wills in his body, so those who sin dont get the same place those who love go
uh technically wasn't he a human during the whole jesus thing? and if you really didn't care then, why all the comments? also you are assuming god exists and the onlything you had said so far as evidence is moral arguements, well much of the universe is morally indifferent, reality isn't controled by our ego or our wishes.
well im getting tired with having to argue against a preson who thinks i am working for the devil, call me a satan worshiper if you want, rational people will think twice when you say that. come back when you have some emperical evidence based arguements.
a world without risk is a world with out worth, human error is not something to call the work of the devil. i am 100% sure if you can look back at your lineage you can find one event of human error that allows for your existance.
i have heard this arguement from you before, you radical theistic waco, my mind is not weak enough to be converted via spiritual extortion! i figured i have already made this point clear to you. you are a vary pittiful person if you think its right to convert people using fear and humiliation!
i do not fear words, but i recognize the arguements with which you are trying to present, "believe in what i do or bad things will happen to you(or because bad things are happening to you which you cant observe)" you are trying to make me fear everything but your beliefs, but i say screw your fear based beliefs, it has gotten us nowhere!
if i where god i would be pissed off at anyone who's reason for believeing me is to escape hell. and plus there are several different gods, all claiming that their way is the only way to escape hell. and secondly life forms in no way remain constant look at the domestication of cow and dogs, or even the typical 'bannana' all are the resualt of evolution. and again there are observed appearences of new species.
that is the micro evolution of which darwin spoke, but cross the different [isolated breeds ] [note not new species] together they return to wild type [according to mendelic uinheritances , sorted by dominants and resesive, they will revert to wild cattle
just as pigs do [note wild pigs arnt white or funny looking [reversion to gods wild type]ie the pigs they diverged [nriefly] from
can you even define species? there is no breeding between species. plus you are suggesting a form of convergent evolution, the problem is that you have to remember, the original 'breed' is still evolving. so even if by luck the new species evolved to the point of reprodicing with the original breed, the resualt will still be evolved.
thats not quite evolution, though there are plenty of examples of sexual features 'willfuly' chosen for one reason or another, this is, i would call, intelligent or purposful selection, natural selection though involves competition of other species and even with the enviroment itself, those with bad mutation arn't ignored by their possable mates, their killed off, or rendered infertile.
first of all the appearence of new species has been observed, and secondly you are right in saying that the closer related you are to the mate the higher probability there is for resessive traits to exhibit themselfs in the offspring, but remember mutations can be benifitical as much as they can be detremental, heck look at sickle cell, its both.
are you that insane to believe men observably turn into demons?
the sickle cell was an example of a mutation which is both benifitial and detremental
speciation has been observed, you can find lists by simply serching for "observed instances of speciation". its a thing called divergant evolution, look it up.
"demon drink" what century are you living in? the resualts you describe have been attributed to a vary specific chemical compound that alters brain chemestry.
and again you are free to post rebuttles in my videos, the fact that you refuse to is extremly annoying.
is there something wrong with posting in a manner that would allow me to see when you post replys? is there a problem with posting in my video instead of making a copy of my comments on this board, if you have logical arguements and don't rely on biblical moral arguements i would allow your arguements to remain. i accept everyone who gives logical arguements. you sir appear to be dodging my replys
recalling the last debate , and my firstr poast ,and regarding we are on an other page to what end to waste time proving anything to one unable to concieve greater than himself
who in the throws of deafness even cencure those seeking only to assist him away from his inherant destiny
chimps didn't evolve into man, thats a direct lie, common ancestory in a simplified relationship based example would be like siblings and cousins, you are saying we evolved from chimps, again an example of the same kind for this claim is that they are our parents, this is an outright lie and you should know better.
if god shaped and designed everything, and we are as our fathers before us(infinate regress) then how do you explained the OBSERVED FACT OF EVOLUTION(note that the theory of evolution only explains the fact of evoultion, which is simply the fact that creatures change through successive generations)
are you talking about when i removed ALL comments on my video? if i wanted to censor you then why did i openly invite you to repost any standing questions not answered? why did i go so far as to delete even the favorable comments about my video? i removed all the comments because there was to many to sift through and all critisims have been answered and thereby negated.
i am talking about this previos debate ,about evolution, where you claimed it was getting too 'messy'as well as the first post in this debate i posted on your neo [new] page
too many to sift through is the purpose of sifting [and leaving a complete full record in writting] what book is worth writing if all, half or even the first or last page is deemed not needed
i never kept a record , but that is no mind for me it it those who after after who see no rebuttal
all arguements that i have had in my videos are all rebutted several, several times, to the point that a single site "talkorigins" has every one of those claims aswell as the answers, supported by scholarly articles.
who said atheism had anything to do with it? by your ideology gravity is associated with atheism isn't it? mules aren't even mentioned in the site you should have been directed too(talk origins). if your ideology is that science is a distraction from god then what the hell are you doing on the internet? why the hell does your house have electricity flowing through it?
again you show you utter ignorance to the basic foundational struture of science, in science things work through peer review, that site has references to peer reviewed articles its not a site some idiot typed up, it is backed up by evidence why you ignorantly refuse to consider. and you started equating evolution to atheism, its your fire roast in it.
Comment 2: Upon rebuttal the creationist asks “If it wasn’t god, then what was it?”, unfortunately people tend to answer this if they can (In this case via evolution). This makes the question seem reasonable. When it in fact ignores the burden of proof and the reason people believed god was the cause of: Hurricanes, Volcanoes, Lightning, Tsunamis, etc. In times when there were no scientific explanation.
bradkey98765 3 months ago
This is insanity; the “logic” here is “I have seen complexity that seems impossible to be the product of nature therefore GOD”. This is as good reasoning as “I see an object in the sky that seems unnatural therefore ALIENS”.
bradkey98765 3 months ago
Only problem with this video is the quran.. This is a vile and anti-YWHW way. It is led by the one known as lucifer and is the path to destruction.
jfitguru 11 months ago
Why does there need to be a Creator to the universe to explain its existence? And if there was one who or what created the Creator?
HeatVisionPaolo 1 year ago
@HeatVisionPaolo
because the "blind" universe and the "deaf" matter require a source of intelligence
and in order for anything to exist,something must have ALWAYS existed since eternity,and this is not our Universe as science tells us
peace and love
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
@HighFlyingDutchman but why does it require a source of intelligence to exist? You haven't answered the question, you've just essentially said "because it does."
HeatVisionPaolo 1 year ago
@HeatVisionPaolo
because we observe an amazing intelligence in definitely unconscious atoms-cells-organs-systems in every single detail,we see cleverness and logic,which "blind and deaf" matter do not possess
thanks a lot
HighFlyingDutchman 11 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman I understand that it is a satisfying theory that the universe in all its logical complexity and detail could be the result of an intelligent mind, but personally it seems equally as likely that the universe does not require an intelligent source and has merely always been and is in a constant cycle of expansion and contraction. Much like everything in nature is constantly cycling. However neither theory can be proven.
HeatVisionPaolo 11 months ago
@HeatVisionPaolo Right the big difference is, science seeks answers, religion doesn`t . God did it, Amen, Alleluiah. What science will be able to prove is anybody`s guess.
tallliza 11 months ago
@HighFlyingDutchman: An "amazing intelligence" would have made the cell much simpler. What inventor will make a complicated machine, when he can make a simple one with the same efficiency ?
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza well if evolution is so GREAT !??? Then why would it lead to a termite and never evolve to having sight and ability to hear. The very theoretic notion of evolution says this type should have died out in the process before this standard of perfection.. After all with evol the strongest and more genetic increase is the one that survives right? See the problem with Evolution is too many unanswered questions and will NEVER be able to answer ! can you say Platypus ?
jfitguru 11 months ago
@jfitguru See the problem with Evolution is too many unanswered questions and will NEVER be able to answer ... see the problem with creation is they never answer the questions HOW, WHY, or WHEN. God did it ,Amen, Alleluiha. You nor I nor anybody else knows in what circumstances the termites evolved. The fact is they didn`t need sight and they lost it or never got it to begin with. They developed a way of working together without sight. Proof that evolution works.
tallliza 11 months ago
@jfitguru And one more comment, why do you expect that science must have the ability to answer all questions. If you know how science works, it will never be able to answer all questions. Otherwise it would be perfect. Do you believe in astronomy ? Do you think they manually measured the distance to the moon ? Yet you believe it. right ? The objections to evolution do not originate because it is bad science,but stem from the fact that it contradicts Genesis.
tallliza 11 months ago
@jfitguru You should ask your creator, why didn`t provide termites with sight and hearing. He certainly must have a reason. Pray, and he will tell you his secret.
tallliza 11 months ago
@tallliza Hey EXCELLENT RESPONSES !! Now that was an intelligent and well thought response. That I can absolutely respect ! I want to say Thank you for not using emotion or slander to prove some perspective ! You bring an intriguing and scientific question or area worth investigation. We all have the same science, same evidence and findings to use for each side or point. The real crux of our debate is the INTERPRETATION of the findings, measurements and view points of our discoveries.
jfitguru 11 months ago
Cont: @tallliza: So my approach is that DNA, Cell structure, and scientific evidence (I believe in seeking and discovery), points to a creator ! Yes Absolutely. Now many "NON" Christians will admit to an I.D. but not necessarily a CREATOR.. However I can accpet I.D. Its the Evolution that I cant buy anymore. And I was one who used to teach Evolution.
jfitguru 11 months ago
So what's your point, religious man ? I don't know termites, but I have studied ants *a lot*. Evolution theory works great for those animals, and yet they are as organized as termites. Scientists *know* what leads ants and termites to act the way they act. They are able to produce pheromones and spread it over colonies to proove their theories.
You and your Great Stupid Imaginary Friend cannot do so. But, hey, maybe you are right and the universe has a Creator ; that's just not the point.
pooolet 1 year ago
@pooolet
Thanks for your comment
The point is this,termites who dont even have eyes to see and brains to allow them think and make plans,build such hives intelligently
The point is not what they use while communicating each other
Like a tribesman who sees a TV for the first time and discovers how it works after tens of years but he is still unaware of the TV station or the satellite
Scientists discover how things work,but never realize where all the intelligence&information come from
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
religion is a hoax that has violent reaction against other hoaxes and non-believers.
any hoax that has these properties becomes a religion.
jeetendrag10acc2 1 year ago
@@jeetendrag10acc2
at least for logic's sake accept the existence of the supernatural power behind the curtain of matter
stop claiming that everything is a result of a chain of lucky coincidences
respects...
HighFlyingDutchman 1 year ago
what a load of shit
bob31629 2 years ago
That's no evidence, termites developped the ability, to create such things, over millions of years, blind humen didn't do that.
Also, there're 100 proofs for evolution, they must be all wrong, if that's right.
If god is allmighty, he can know about everything, even about disbelievers.
If he wants people to believe in him, he would make clear evidence for his existence.
So maybe, he exists, but he don't seem, like he wants us, to worship him, or even, to know about him.
Nederdien 2 years ago 3
"And only those who are devoid of knowledge say,
'Why does God not speak unto us,nor is a miraculous sign shown to us?'
Even thus,like unto what they say,spoke those who lived before their time,their hearts are all alike.
Indeed,We have made all the signs manifest unto people who are endowed with inner certainty."
Quran 2;118***
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Well, even believers can't proov god, and there are many religions, who claim to be right,
it's heart to believe in books like the Quran or the bible, if they don't have evidence, and are contradicting themself and know scientific facts, as evolution.
If for example Mohammed would have revealed, for example 100 digits of eulers number, or maybe, digit 1000-1100 from pi. that would be evidence, and would convince many people, but the book is against scientificly proofed facts, as far I found out
Nederdien 2 years ago
"If We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance"
Quran 32-13
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
well, that's not answering my question.
Btw. a friend of mine, an atheist (I'm not atheist),
confronted religious people with something:
What would you say, is more important, the rules, of your religious book (I assume, it's the Quran, and maybe also the sunna),
or the laws and rules of society and the state (if they're different)
Nederdien 2 years ago
If I am living in a non Muslim country,I should respect their laws and rules
But since the Islamic rules are for the goodness and happiness of Muslims and nothing is bad with them,a Muslim country should follow those rules
thats my point :D
by the way,do you think there is any revelation in the world?
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
well, if there are rules (and there are), that contradicts within the Quran and the laws and rules, you wanna respect, witch rules do aplly then?
As you know, the Quran states mysogynic rules, and cruel punishments, that doesn't make me happy.
I don't deny, that there is any revelation in the world, because I can't know, but as long, as there is no evidence, for any, I assume, there isn't.
I believe, that eternal truth is existing, but that we can never archieve it.
Nederdien 2 years ago
as I said,I would respect that community
Empathy is the way
and if you believe in God,why dont you think that He was generous enough to share the truth with us,at least the truth about ourselves,where we come from and where we are going to
can we go on via mails :D then
peace
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Dutchman: Don't ruin the video with your idiotic statements.
loggeronline 2 years ago
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ppl dont forget to rate theese religious propaganda videos. especially the islamic extremists are very well organized and relentlessly promote their religion! don't let them have youtube!
MWcrazyhorse 2 years ago
You can basically replace "god" with "evolution" during the termite part and it would still make perfect sense.
verxintRising 2 years ago
yeah well god is just a theory too so shut the fuck up.
Danzinger 2 years ago
I mean many scientists say that although the big bang is a reasonable explaination for the creationof the world it is still a theory and needs to be proven.
rcc1111 2 years ago
we can't prove it
rcc1111 2 years ago
Well I'm not a Muslim, but I do agree that God is in control. I mean we all know that the termite queen sends the pheremons( sorry for the spelling=]) out to the workers, but why does she do it. After all she has no conscience or reason why does she do it. Your all probably gonna say that the termites ants and bees were all once solitary and eventually came together to form colonies, but even in my own science book it says it's just a theory.
rcc1111 2 years ago
Animals don't have a conscience or reason to do it. You don't have a conscience to get hungry, you simply do. It's a primitive function that occurs without any thought.
verxintRising 2 years ago
Colony life probably started with a group of females of any species nesting close to each other, so when one is away collecting food there will always be another nearby to protect her eggs and, inadvertently, the eggs of her neighbors. The nesting in close proximity to one another eventually led to groups of sisters sharing a single, huge nest. Since they are sisters they all share many of the same genes, and it is in the interest of each one's genetic legacy to protect her sister's eggs.
PraetorianMan 2 years ago
Evolution can easily describe the evolution of a highly organized colonial society like that. Ants, Bees, and Wasps all evolved from solitary wasps, Termites evolved from solitary cockroaches, Naked Mole Rats evolved from... mole rats, and there are also colonies of tiny pistol shrimp that live in sponges. All of these have "queens, workers, and soldiers". A marvelous example of convergent evolution.
PraetorianMan 2 years ago
Termites do not create really. They do sort of but there creations are from destroying something else. So in the garden of eden where were these guys? considering that there was no death or destruction in the garden how did they survive?
GTfootball30 2 years ago
Well actually they only eat dead wood so their not really destroying anything and they do grow their own gardens so they really create more than they destroy.
rcc1111 2 years ago
For termites to survive, there must be dead wood present (based on your claim, if there's more to it then ignore me :D)
There could not have been any dead wood in the garden, as nothing died in the garden. Therefore, termites could not have existed in the garden of eden, therefore the claim that all animals were in their present forms in the garden of eden is false. Therefore the bible's creation story of the garden of eden is incorrect in at least one respect.
Truth0is0beauty 2 years ago
Your too close minded in this statment. What is it that makes live wood and dead wood different. Do you think that God would be incapable of creating a tree that has the same chemical composition of a dead tree, yet grows from the earth regularly?
You have yet to even begin to understand the power of a God by definition. Let alone the one that exists.
slayerrptl 2 years ago
Lol the author called it "evil-lotion"!
Its a funny fact that there are no intelligent creationists with which to argue anymore. No doubt there are still creationists who chose to argue, throw around insults and declare evolutionists are going to hell, but the intelligent ones all passed high school level biology and got over the greatest lie ever told
swiminthesoil 2 years ago
lol
yep i wrote it intentionally like that
is there any problem?
or did you think that i even dunno how to write evolution
HighFlyingDutchman 2 years ago
Too the creator of this video
A famous quote from myself
"You Sir are a fool"
Asspooturk 3 years ago
who ever made this movie, was very religious. Secondly, just because they don't have sound or light interceptors, doesn't mean they don't have chemical form of communication, which can be quite sophisticated as well. Since the clip is biased towards religion, it was not covered thoroughly ...
CDMCSD2 3 years ago
I believe that it is possible evolution is a tool of God. One thing science has shown us is that God uses natural processes to define the universe. I think that stating otherwise takes credit from him. there is no "magic" in the universe. If you stop to consider the idea that he built everything we see from the atomic level up to the vast galactic formations over billions of years, its pretty incredible. Anyhow, just something to think about. ty for the video
Poeticnuisance 3 years ago
i do not believe in god or any aspect of him and i know people are alowed to say and feel what ever they want but this documentry thing says given to them bye god and it could well have been evolution and not the work off god there is no proof that god exists only the bible and word of mouth
swat7853 3 years ago
I'm not a Muslim but a Christian. I don't beleive that God controls everything that a termite does... but I do believe He created all nature and knows exactly what is going on every second of every day. He can intervine (Daniel in the lions den) but usual allows things to run its course. We must remember nature is neat (glorifing God) but secondary to God's plans of redeeming people to Himself. Remember, love is a choice. The price has been paido he cross... but be to accept it. Peace.
stealthant 3 years ago
to the description
Oh, I bet god controls those worms currently eating my grandmother god commands the blind mole rat to dig holes god ordered the tape worm to climb up my cousins backside (no jokes) I bet god does
/sarcasm mode off
Go **** yourself, seriously, there are other options to sight having very powerful senses to detect vibrations is one way to navigate.
No disrespect to "The Good book" (Depends on what one what your killing each for) but, its a very nice story, just not true.
Abokasee 3 years ago
nice video, idiotic description
thehefercow 3 years ago 2
i take that back, i posted this before i saw the harun yahya, fuck i should watch a vid entirely first before i post a comment.
i know this guy is an asshole, and i know a guy who is working on debunking the idiots entire book, here is the first vid:
watch?v=vVvqbYsX7lc
thehefercow 3 years ago
Harun Yahya is actually a pedophile and was also recently convicted of fraud
Khalid021 3 years ago
Harun Yahya is the most ignorant muslim in the world. And for those of you who don't he has been accused of raping young girls and also recording the rape to blackmail the girls and also this asshole was recently convicted of giving criminal threats and fraud.
Khalid021 3 years ago 3
god is controlling blind termites, jsut like he controls blind people. stupid fucker, stop wasting food and cut your head off
Malicorian 3 years ago 2
Yes, god is PURPOSELY controlling the millions of termites on earth. This makes PERFECT sense.
Cheshirecat55 3 years ago 2
you mean billions.
nhatkiem 3 years ago
Even better.
Cheshirecat55 3 years ago
you mean trillions lol
swat7853 3 years ago
OR A GOOGLE OF THEM!
nhatkiem 3 years ago
People do not believe "in" evolution. They either believe that it happened or it didn't. I believe it did, and a god had nothing to do with it or if it did it is a peculiar god who would have no resemblance to his/her portrayl in those wonderful pieces of fiction called the bible and the koran.
PaulM678347 3 years ago 2
Wow, this has got to be the biggest bit of propaganda I've ever seen! To personify "God" as a human being controlling termites is completely off-base. Second, putting down evolution and putting "God" behind everything lacks "reasoning." Instincts are developed over LONG PERIODS of time and adaptation. I do believe in a unifying force between all life and a connectedness between it all, and the power of the Universe is indeed amazing, but this "documentary" looks just like one thing -- brainwash!
absoluttrance 3 years ago 3
you know what
i am not sure if the video brainwashes people
but it is the most certain fact in whole universe that
you are a BRAINWASHED fool
i am sorry
thats you
HighFlyingDutchman 3 years ago
I'm sorry to intervene, but calling other people brainwashed when one disregards all the research that has been done on pheromones and says "God did it, there's no other explanation because my holy book says so" is kind of ironic. Have a good day
KillDogma 3 years ago 10
You hit the nail on the head, KillDogma.
Cheshirecat55 3 years ago 9
Being a human, you believe eyes are mandatory because they play such a role in your own life. These termites did not "overcome" blindness, because they were *meant* to be blind. Humans were *NOT* meant to be or become blind, so comparing them to these termites is insulting. The situations are different and interchangeable! Of course, you religious nuts don't care who you insult, as long as you score points with the fairy-tale in the sky, right?
HateAnarchy 3 years ago 4
and are not interchangeable*
Sorry about that! x:
HateAnarchy 3 years ago 2
Good point!!
absoluttrance 3 years ago
Many athiests and people that believe in evolution don't even understand what evolution is in the first place.
Many religious people go on "Look at the facts" when they themselves only see their own facts. Both sides should stfu.
KingR3aper 3 years ago
i know what evolutuon is its simple
123lukeforme 3 years ago 2
Alright, I wont give you information. Go on and explain what you believe is evolution.
KingR3aper 3 years ago
Alright, I wont give you information. Go on and explain what you believe is evolution.
KingR3aper 3 years ago
Yeah that's it, God is directing each and every termite.
PaulM678347 3 years ago 4
lol!
absoluttrance 3 years ago 2
Yup We believe in evil lotion. Without lotion, the world would be a better place.
Seriously, there is more evidence for evolution than in the Bible.
Gugolpl0x 3 years ago 2
Ah, yes, the Creationists are unable to understand the evolution of termites, so NATURALLY... god must have done it.
Wonderful, ignorant logic.
Do yourself a favor and take some entomology courses.
hollywoodtomato 3 years ago 2
so how would evolution explain this? did u carefuly consider both side of the story when u call this video ignorant logic? it's ok if u did, but if u didn't then who is the one that is ignorant?
dragonzhang166 3 years ago
and another thing, PEOPLE ANRT TERMITES!! why are they comparing them. the might not have eyes or ears, but thell have somthing to comunicate with. probalby smell or somthing or vibration.
123lukeforme 3 years ago 3
...yeah they call those antennae genius. =)They're blind, but they're sensitive to touch. Has anyone brought up "instinct" yet?
The fact ants and termites build these giant metropolises isn't due to a pre-meditated plan. They know they need a place to store it, they know they need a place to put the queen. They go from there: Everything else as long with chimneys, cooling etc. is a miracle...
KingR3aper 3 years ago 2
and it works cos all the termites have the same dna, jsut in different types different parts are stimulated. all of them have the abilitiy say have big jaws, just only some of them have them due to the relece of a hormone or somthing. i mean its still crazy how the queens dna codes for all this ie differnt workers having different characteristics activated in different amounts but all it is is protiens being constructed acording to the instructions the dna contain.
123lukeforme 3 years ago 2
lol evil-ution, you sad basterd. evolution is real, you can witness it uner a microscope, its just the act of faverable genes being passed on to the next generation. and you can deny genes being passed on cos you wouldnt exist if they didnt. people like like you suck, you use your clearly the one denying the truth. religion is just a tool invented to keep people under contoll. you enver notice ho all religions say killing is wrong, unless you kind/ ruler tells you otherwise, think about it!
123lukeforme 3 years ago 2
what rubish god aint real this is done by evaloution there queen in there coleny they comunicate through there antenie god aint real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok
wilsonboy13 4 years ago 2
Thats convincing. You couldn't even manage to spell evolution right...
jtrance 4 years ago
Something in nature we don't understand immediately? God did it!
What have we learnt? Nothing!
Don't ask questions! God did it!
Besides, there actually are natural explanations for eusociality. In swarm intelligence systems, the agents follow very simple rules generally out of the need for survial which leads to very complex rules/algorithms at the systems level. Ants and termites use pheromones to direct each other. They may be blind and deaf, but they can smell, and that's enough for them
KillDogma 4 years ago 5
what rubish god aint real this is done by evaloution there queen in there coleny they comunicate through there antenie god aint real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok
wilsonboy13 4 years ago
I'm actually not sure whether you're agreeing with me or trying to be sarcastic, but please do something about your spelling, in your own interest. But yes, it all happens through the antennae, that's where an insect's olfactory organs are to be found. But you can't argue for/against the existence of a god through science. Science doesn't say anything about god(s), and it shouldn't. Saying evolution equals atheism is a false dichotomy
KillDogma 4 years ago 3
well, if not the film director, at least someone's contributing sizeable knowledge here...
absoluttrance 3 years ago 2
Thanks :) The disturbing (or funny) thing is I'm not even a biologist (I work in another field of science) and I'm better qualified to speak about this matter than the film maker. Imagine what a biologist would be able to do. What I've written previously is/should be overall knowledge. This is part of basic scientific literacy. And it's lacking in this video. I think that says it all about the legetimacy of the claims made in this arrogant little piece of propaganda.
KillDogma 3 years ago 3
God and Allah are different, even though Allah means god, it is not God. theres a difference. God calls Jesus his Son, and says he is the only way to heaven. muslim and christian beliefs have a very critical difference here.
laaangelsftw 4 years ago
they r so nice i Love all animals:)Thx!!
there is one word to say AWESOME!
rukiyefr 4 years ago
Another great video, thank you for sending! :-)
Thinkabout3 4 years ago 2
mashallah nice video
tr7862002 4 years ago
ALLAHU AKBAR!!!
mebeur 4 years ago
Harun Yahya makes amazing videos. When termites are in your home, they can destroy it, and ants can live off of what termites produces. If you have ants in your home crawling around, you have termites.
guntertimb 4 years ago
lol,he doesn't make them all on his own,he has a team,Science Research Foundation,
Harun is the author of the team,he makes books from the searches they do.
and videos are made by the team too.
may ALLH SWT reward them all
salaam alaikum.
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
Subhanallah, May Allah Reward Harun Yahya for doing such a great job. Amin!
AbdulHamid99 4 years ago
cool!! Jazak Allah bro, great work!!
kfoury90 4 years ago
it is funny 111 comments here
111 vieuwers at the link
im making this 112
see how all coments i posted at his vidio are delected
as are others
at this time only 2 remain
both made by the auther
such is the proof evolutionists hold
by thier deeds are they known
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
lol :)
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
You keep calling these miracles just because you can't understand it? Sure I believe in God. But not for these reasons.
Locke840 4 years ago
WHAT?
HOW?
we all believe in God just because of this video
i can't guess what we would do if we dident watch it(or similar ones to it)
L-o-L
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
yes,i can't understand.
if u teach me,i will stop believing in God.
lol again
lol
HighFlyingDutchman 4 years ago
God created the world, and IS the world.
Locke840 4 years ago
hehe .. stupid sufi :) Creator and his creation are two separated things you fool , learn the right aqeedah!
BosKrajina 4 years ago
I'm not sufi, but what makes you think that?
Locke840 4 years ago
and he created peadophiles and serial killers and terroists and the idea of endless other gods and rapists and people who torture people.
and thnk about what you just said, god created himself, how the fuck would that work. somthing that donstn exist cant create anything, especially itself. people like you make me angry.
123lukeforme 3 years ago
it seems clear why god has divided heaven and hell
if your not convinced read through this e debate
it is a sample of what demons enjoy
debate
endless opinion, neither conceding , both presenting opinion masking as fact
it is futile to bebate with those god choses insane
response or try to help is to no end
it just engourages to a new destraction, reacting to new words
let other decide fact
what means debate but 2 believers who chose to rebut that the other dares to believe
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
e virus do you think this the first debate between evolutionists ?
evolutionists have many reasons for thier belief in a theory[many hate or reject god, thus use the theory to con others that evolution means no god] this is not so
it is claimed as proof and science yet is neither , what does it prove [life came from nothing]?[which fossils deney gods hand?
evolution is a theory [science is repeatable]
repilcate
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
evolution says nothing about the origin of life,anyone who says it does must be reminded just what evolution the theory of evolution is. the general atheistic answer to where life came from is chemical reactions, not nothing. there are two things called evolution, the fact(creatures change over time) and the explination(through genetic mutations and natural selection) the fact is proven, the theory has vary strong evidence to support it, but like you hinted at science dosn't do proof.
evirus 4 years ago
e virus seems to have moved his contasgin to another post
perhaps our teacher can enjoin the debate [with a vidio link , like the e virus did at to of the page?]
this running to attack on another door is a miscief thing jinn do
i should let him escape ,but he knows not the poisen he spreads [vir-us ,viral, conta-gin-e]
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
my name is not the resualt of using the word virus it is the fanfare to a mistranslated lyric. and i go where the bad arguements are i made no attempt to hide my rebuttels, everyone is a reply to a specific comment.
evirus 4 years ago
may god forgive me
we can only reveal the truth as god gives us to see
we have all been fooled by the great deciever [satan]
know people by thier words
not to judge but to try to correct error [much as you say that you do]
i replied to your comments where i was made to see them,as you do
but you chose censure , claiming to be uncluttering the debate
i do not claim you hid rebuttal,only that your fact is opinion, that may decieve children[all are children of god[to mine eyes
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
could you please refrain from relating me to satan in your replies it realy shows your ignorance. science is about seeing what is really going on, we no longer attribute illness to satan, we see that it is caused by germs injury and genetic defects. why do you wish to bring us back to the time in which we must fear every dissent, every illness, every injury, every loss, every bad thing that happens to us as the act of an ultimate evil entity? instead of understanding the real forces at work?
evirus 4 years ago
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
are you trying to baptise me over the internet? well i wont go all the way but here you go
i denounce all evil and dishonest actions both those commited by those attempting to do harm and those attempting to help but resorting in hishonest or evil practices to ultimatly help. those who disagree with me are not evil, nor are the unwilling subjects of an ultimate evil, to accuse such things would be dishonest and to be dishonest is to invite evil.
evirus 4 years ago
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
i never said i accepted god. plus the idea that a good god would allow his creation to sin, and recieve the punishment of eternal damnation is rather ludacris(and don't chalk this up to free will either because that concept is incompatable with the ability of an entity to know everything, also how does not putting the tree in the garden affect our free will, was our free will affected by not allowing us breathe fire naturally?)
evirus 4 years ago
eternal damnation [a wondefull word satan would use to generate fear[ so one who thinks he has small sins , will commit more evil because in his mind he feels he is allready condemmed to hell, thus thinks he has nothing to lose
the link i gave you that you removed explains the concept
briefly say you are a car, inside it is your spirit driving it ,how you drive it earns heaven or hell
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
commit evil with it ,get condemmed to hell,
the body can do good or evil, god made the body and lets the spirit have freewill to do as he wills in his body, so those who sin dont get the same place those who love go
drive carefully [follow the good we earn heaven
follow satans lead go to hell
its how god sorts the sheep from the goats
tares from wheat
good from evil
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
of corse this requires me to believe in a soul, which i dont.
evirus 4 years ago
e[virus]please note you are destracting from this worthy posting [vidio]
you have presented no fact to rebut
only opinion ,not even reasoned opinion
please re read thatrt you wrote then appologise for disturbing our host
the link you saw fit to erase from your post explained the concept of soul
also explained spirit
know they are not the same
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
who cares if you accept god
it matters not in the least to me
i am not to account for your works only my own
eternal applies only to god
you allready missed an eternity of eternity [humble yourself but one is 'eternal' god
one knows everything god
were all god knows to be stuffed in your brain it would blow up before you even got all the knowing involved with your own confusing life
one knows everything and he was never a human being in car nate
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
uh technically wasn't he a human during the whole jesus thing? and if you really didn't care then, why all the comments? also you are assuming god exists and the onlything you had said so far as evidence is moral arguements, well much of the universe is morally indifferent, reality isn't controled by our ego or our wishes.
evirus 4 years ago
e virus[we [all living]are suns of the father [god is father of all living
god never 'became' mortal ,jesus died on the cross ,god cant die ,look up eternal
i do not presume god to egsist , i know and believe he allways has and allways will
i give moral arguement because you present no fact [only insult and opinion]
to be morally indiferent is your test and freechoice,
it sorts out those good and love from those of hell , lies and evil
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
well im getting tired with having to argue against a preson who thinks i am working for the devil, call me a satan worshiper if you want, rational people will think twice when you say that. come back when you have some emperical evidence based arguements.
evirus 4 years ago
satan is served by many servants
all bode ill
we shall know them by thier works
you trust medicin yet adverse reation to perscribed medication kills 1 percent of all who go to hospitals
western science has made more sick than it has been able to cure
processed foods are killing us , poisens in our waters[gods waters airs and soils, how they get there?
via minions seeking to destroy gods creation tree by tree ,life by life
till gods living dust be returned to dead dust
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
a world without risk is a world with out worth, human error is not something to call the work of the devil. i am 100% sure if you can look back at your lineage you can find one event of human error that allows for your existance.
evirus 4 years ago
it is amasing how fools [evirus]are allways 100 percent sure
human rightness , human error
both have naught to do with my egsistance nor yours
god alone deems things be
think does your brain do or your hand
if your hand cut it off and watch what is does of itself
demons will use any means to try to confound others as they are t/were themself confounded
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
i have heard this arguement from you before, you radical theistic waco, my mind is not weak enough to be converted via spiritual extortion! i figured i have already made this point clear to you. you are a vary pittiful person if you think its right to convert people using fear and humiliation!
evirus 4 years ago
e virus you fear words?
yet dont fear god?
let the demons reveal to you about fear
god is loving mercifull , to reject him[which we do when we 'fear ' anything other only leaves the option you chose in rejecting his love
you humiliate yourself because you refuse to humble yourself before god
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
i do not fear words, but i recognize the arguements with which you are trying to present, "believe in what i do or bad things will happen to you(or because bad things are happening to you which you cant observe)" you are trying to make me fear everything but your beliefs, but i say screw your fear based beliefs, it has gotten us nowhere!
evirus 4 years ago
e virus ,i make no claim but to rebut the[any or all] proof you would[could] bring to these pages,
they all have full or holes,[puff ,fluff and fantisy, because simply god made life , by genes lifes forms remain/ stays constant
see the crocodile unchanged through time
god needs no proving
either to believe in him via the proofs before your own eyes[and your own gift of life ]
or not
those who believe have faith in god
those not reject god[thus chose the darkness of hell and faulse gods
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
if i where god i would be pissed off at anyone who's reason for believeing me is to escape hell. and plus there are several different gods, all claiming that their way is the only way to escape hell. and secondly life forms in no way remain constant look at the domestication of cow and dogs, or even the typical 'bannana' all are the resualt of evolution. and again there are observed appearences of new species.
evirus 4 years ago
evirus
that is the micro evolution of which darwin spoke, but cross the different [isolated breeds ] [note not new species] together they return to wild type [according to mendelic uinheritances , sorted by dominants and resesive, they will revert to wild cattle
just as pigs do [note wild pigs arnt white or funny looking [reversion to gods wild type]ie the pigs they diverged [nriefly] from
return to god child
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
can you even define species? there is no breeding between species. plus you are suggesting a form of convergent evolution, the problem is that you have to remember, the original 'breed' is still evolving. so even if by luck the new species evolved to the point of reprodicing with the original breed, the resualt will still be evolved.
evirus 4 years ago
e vir us
oxford dictionary defines spicies
a group of organisms
consisting of simular individuals
capable of exchanging genes
and inter breeding
[clearly the mating of donkey and horse
mule?[regardless the result cant inter breed]
evolve means intel design , even if only in selecting a mate , by free choice, by a simple beast
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
thats not quite evolution, though there are plenty of examples of sexual features 'willfuly' chosen for one reason or another, this is, i would call, intelligent or purposful selection, natural selection though involves competition of other species and even with the enviroment itself, those with bad mutation arn't ignored by their possable mates, their killed off, or rendered infertile.
evirus 4 years ago
mutations from life do occur , but they are errors, they are either dominant [seen] or ressesive [unseen]
when related breeding takes place[brother sister] ie as an isolated vairiant , it is by negatives able to express, by mendelic ratio
upon rentering the gene pool there is reversion to wild type [this is what darwin claimed [micro, not macro evolution]
certainly not to the point of ;evolution'into a new 'species'
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
first of all the appearence of new species has been observed, and secondly you are right in saying that the closer related you are to the mate the higher probability there is for resessive traits to exhibit themselfs in the offspring, but remember mutations can be benifitical as much as they can be detremental, heck look at sickle cell, its both.
evirus 4 years ago
e virus
you say evolution has been observed
i have seen[observed men become demons, and demons become men
ie change from one 'breed ' of life to another
now you claim witnes to the birth of a new species
yet no proof
cicle cell [is it your claim this is evidence for specie evolution]
please my brother remove the scales from your eyes , lest demons be weighing your deceits
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
are you that insane to believe men observably turn into demons?
the sickle cell was an example of a mutation which is both benifitial and detremental
speciation has been observed, you can find lists by simply serching for "observed instances of speciation". its a thing called divergant evolution, look it up.
evirus 4 years ago
that good men do bad things
like get drunk and destroy life , conduct murder or assult
see thier repentance in the morning
uner influence of the demon drink
those god wishes to destry he sends insane
it is not for me to judge who calls me a name to reveal fact or fausity
read the sacred texts ,i have looked and seen your 'proofs' but my rebuttals get removed , by men working [serving jinn]
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
"demon drink" what century are you living in? the resualts you describe have been attributed to a vary specific chemical compound that alters brain chemestry.
and again you are free to post rebuttles in my videos, the fact that you refuse to is extremly annoying.
evirus 4 years ago
evirus replied
''you are trying to saw that the extant(modern form) chimp is a missing link''[?]
[no i didnt you and the evolutionist comrad do[who did the vidio ,not me]
'we and chimps diverged from a common ancestor'
[explain that to your friend]
'misundertand our evolutionary lineage'
[you misrepresent and refute each others 'proofs'']
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
is there something wrong with posting in a manner that would allow me to see when you post replys? is there a problem with posting in my video instead of making a copy of my comments on this board, if you have logical arguements and don't rely on biblical moral arguements i would allow your arguements to remain. i accept everyone who gives logical arguements. you sir appear to be dodging my replys
evirus 4 years ago
recalling the last debate , and my firstr poast ,and regarding we are on an other page to what end to waste time proving anything to one unable to concieve greater than himself
who in the throws of deafness even cencure those seeking only to assist him away from his inherant destiny
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
again your claims of censorship is unfounded by the FACT that i hadn't blocked you and i hadn't prevented you from makeing any further posts.
evirus 4 years ago
clearly posting at e virus site is a waste of time
i have saved one vidio on evolution that claims to show the different scull shape to evolve chimp? into man
i noted a few points on its list
the list name is evil-lution
get tracing paper and trace the shapes
see the many differences ,by laying them on top of each other
clear fraud
fools onlt athiests
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
chimps didn't evolve into man, thats a direct lie, common ancestory in a simplified relationship based example would be like siblings and cousins, you are saying we evolved from chimps, again an example of the same kind for this claim is that they are our parents, this is an outright lie and you should know better.
evirus 4 years ago
i completly agree chimps didnt mutate into humans [it is a point of agreement]
i am saying god created chimps
god created man
they are related only in that gods hand created them both
both being brothers in a spiritual scense by sharing the same god who formed their parents from the dust
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
your claim lacks any actual evidence, while the evolutionary claim has fossil and genetic evidence.
evirus 4 years ago
it is not for me to convince you of god ,it is not i who deney him his right to con found who he will
your free choice to chose to love god and his creations
or not
there is no god but god
there is one creator, one living loving god who creates [and sustains all life]
[the 1 living father of all all life]
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
we are as our fathers before us
the beasts in the shape/design that god gave thier parents
gods sure proof
see it or reject gods own proof,i will show you where you err
bring your 'proof'
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
if god shaped and designed everything, and we are as our fathers before us(infinate regress) then how do you explained the OBSERVED FACT OF EVOLUTION(note that the theory of evolution only explains the fact of evoultion, which is simply the fact that creatures change through successive generations)
evirus 4 years ago
posted a new response,we will see
but the first gave my proof
the 2 de was my reproof
any suggestions where neither he nor me can censure the [an] open debate?
i debated dawkins one time when he lost all that work disappeard ,you cannot reason with unreason
god makes deaf who he will
i am sad for his sake[and god who's amasing work is deemed 'chance'by children],who know not what that they say means to thier soul
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
are you talking about when i removed ALL comments on my video? if i wanted to censor you then why did i openly invite you to repost any standing questions not answered? why did i go so far as to delete even the favorable comments about my video? i removed all the comments because there was to many to sift through and all critisims have been answered and thereby negated.
evirus 4 years ago
i am talking about this previos debate ,about evolution, where you claimed it was getting too 'messy'as well as the first post in this debate i posted on your neo [new] page
too many to sift through is the purpose of sifting [and leaving a complete full record in writting] what book is worth writing if all, half or even the first or last page is deemed not needed
i never kept a record , but that is no mind for me it it those who after after who see no rebuttal
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
all arguements that i have had in my videos are all rebutted several, several times, to the point that a single site "talkorigins" has every one of those claims aswell as the answers, supported by scholarly articles.
evirus 4 years ago
dear e virus
four instances [like a horse breeding a mule dont prove speciattion
i have googled your athiests referances [so called 'proof' before
you dont believe in god so you believe in frauds
replicate your theory dude
funny you guys allways resort to name calling
replicate bro[bacteria and virus 'proof' is deciet]
give me your sure link
i have wasted too much time searching out your destractions
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
who said atheism had anything to do with it? by your ideology gravity is associated with atheism isn't it? mules aren't even mentioned in the site you should have been directed too(talk origins). if your ideology is that science is a distraction from god then what the hell are you doing on the internet? why the hell does your house have electricity flowing through it?
evirus 4 years ago
gravity science cant even explain
it is explained in the holy texts you come to this mans pages to debate evil lution[lets stick to that]
you direct me to some fools site [any fool can write anything on the web of fools]
athism means denying god created
you deney[your an athiest]live wuith the truth dude, you chose your destiny, god gives heaven , but only to beluievers
decievers send them selves to hell[via thier own chosen disbelief]
1oneundergod1 4 years ago
again you show you utter ignorance to the basic foundational struture of science, in science things work through peer review, that site has references to peer reviewed articles its not a site some idiot typed up, it is backed up by evidence why you ignorantly refuse to consider. and you started equating evolution to atheism, its your fire roast in it.
evirus 4 years ago
god says dont bother to convert people fools have freewill [who are you
what are your proof ,again with the isdults
indeed by thier nature are they revealed
demons have peers
those under god have brothers
your idea of evidence is blinded by your hate of god and his creation[or love of science, hells fire is feuled by rage like as yours
who am i to chew your fate ,you by your nature choose
1oneundergod1 4 years ago