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  • Your description of Matthew 26:39 is incorrect and wrongheaded. That verse says nothing about Caesar, in no way does Christianity being true make the Romans win, nor the Father fail. 39 "Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

    Christianity is no shortcut to paradise. Most of Jesus disciples were murdered for their beliefs. It is a very hard road.

  • Jesus died and rose again..... thats the miracle.....he is the only who died and rose again.... paid sins that he vowed... even u muslims if u believe Jesus and accept in your life that he is your Savior, you shall be save.

  • @MrAMZ1990 No jesus did not die for anyones sins just like he said for jonah was 3 days and 3 nights so shall son of god be 3 days and 3 nights which means he wont die but christianity believes jesus died for their sins LOL. jesus said the sin would be like jonah but christianity says UNLIKE jonah so either jesus lied or christians lied choose 1

  • Jesus did fulfill the sign of Jonah 3 days and 3 nights in the grave. Nowhere in the bible does it state he died on Friday. It does state he died on Preparation day. The Lamb of God died at the exact moment the passover lambs were being sacrificed. Lamb dead Jesus dead. See signofjonah.info for exact timetable

  • If Jesus was not dead then what he was doing in the tomb?I can tell that you are a muslim. You are so worried about jesus death on the cross that you want to deceive people. But you know that in the new testament Yahshua said that he would die and on the third day he was gonna be resurrected. Are you saying that jesus was a liar? This a lie by Satan!

  • Was Jonah WET of DRY when he was in the Belly of the Whale?

    The point THIS video MISSES, like ALL Mohammedans attempting to twist the references to Jonah, is IN THE WHALE is like being IN THE GRAVE or in the BELLY OF THE EARTH. This is the problem with Mohammedan thinking.

    CHOPPING UP the passage is like Sura 5.73 saying 'They do BLASPHEME who say Allah is ONE...'. It is simply a fraud to ignore the WHOLE TEXT of the Word of God as Mohammedans do.

  • you are very confused

  • Mat 12:38-39 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

  • Resurrection from the dead-------The miracle of Jonah is the death, burial and the resurrection. Thats why Jesus refers to it, he authenticated the book of Jonah, The Pharisees knew what he was talking about (Mathew 27:62-65 chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, "Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, 'After three days I will rise

  • Roman soldiers guard the tomb. MATHEW 27 verse62- 64 says 3 days they guarded the tomb.

  • In the book of Isaiah chapter 52: 14-15 then chapter 53 all of it.

    verse7 he was brought as a lamb to the slaughter, verse 8 he was cut off from the land of the living verse 9 he made his grave with the wicked e.g. he had two criminals crucified next to him ,one on each side. verse 8 and with the rich in his death,eg;a rich man Joseph of Arimatha laid Jesus in his sepulcher , verse 10 speaks of his resurrection ,he shall see his seed (Christians)he shall prosper, read it.

  • This video is wrong on MANY points. Jesus died and came back to life in His body again, so of course he will eat again. Why not? He showed his hands and feet so they could see the holes in them from the cross. The video shows Luke 24:40-43, but if you also read verses 45-48, you see Jesus saying that he died and came back to life. Jesus was actually in the grave for 3 days and nights. They did not follow the same calander we do today. It was a lunar calander. Just youtube "The Jonah Code".

  • P.S. When someone punctures your spleen and or pancreas, and the fluid drains out, you don't survive.  He was pierced confirming His death.

    And the ground shook and the veil was torn....

  • OH, but you forget, Jesus had a task to complete during those three days, for he went to the bowels of hell and retrieved the keys to Hades.

    AND, when He first had risen and was seen by Mary Magdalene, He said to her "Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father" John 20:17.

    He wasn't fully in human form at that time.

    He did DIE and rise again. BUT, not for us to have an excuse to continue sinning. But for our salvation because we are innately sinners with no other hope.

  • Matthew 12:40 Jesus was in the heart of the earth. He was dead :search:earth's core Ephesians 4:8--10. And rose from the dead , and is alive forever more . Amen.

  • OR God didnt give those people who killed jesus free will.

    Now I want a fellow xtian to help me better understand

  • 4. since people had free will and chose to kill jesus, that is parallel to what the xtian God wanted ( for jesus to be sacrificed)

    5. Thus, it was in Gods plan that these people were going to kill him. Which in turn means, these people realllly didnt have a choice to begin with, because it was in Gods plan that Jesus is to be sacrificed no matter what.

    6. Finally, this is uncharacteristic of God, because God is just. So this whole jesus died for our sins must have been made up...CONT.

  • i have a few inquisitions into this "jesus died for our sins" part of christianity.

    1. Xtians claim that jesus was sent down to be sacrificed( atleast one of the reasons) .

    2. Thus, jesus was going to die no matter what because thats what God wanted ( in xtian terms. which goes back to #1

    3. Then that means, the people who killed jesus, had a choice to kill him cause every1 has free will.

    continued.....

  • Ok people, just cut all the scripture quoting crap and answer the god damn question: Prove how Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights in his tomb when he was placed there Friday at sunset and was resurrected Sunday morning. Just answer this question succinctly and to the fucking point PLEASE!!!

  • If anyone would like an explanation of the Sign of Jonah (from an Orthodox perspective) please message me.

    The posting space here is not sufficient to address the questions. Only those who are interested need bother asking for the information. For this reason wil not send information unless requested.

    This applies to both Christians and Muslims.

    In Christ, God bless.

  • For science, NO EXPLANATION IS PLAUSIBLE!

    For faith, NO EXPLANATION IS NECESSARY!

  • If Jesus did not die for sin but merely fell asleep, He would not have fulfilled the requirement for sacrifice in place of sin as required by God. So you see, the sleep theory accomplishes nothing and would invalidate all that Christ came to accomplish. In fact, Jesus Himself stated that He would be killed and buried for three days and then rise from the dead. So stop picking those scriptures that suit your own prejudiced beliefs and honor Jesus according to truth and honesty.

  • By the way, the miracle is His resurrection bodily from the grave, not simply waking up from a deep sleep, lol. Jesus said in John, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again", reffering to his bodily resurrection. He also said unless you eat His flesh and drink His blood, symbolicaly speaking of the love feast in memory of His sacrifice for salvation, you have no part of Him. Salvation is faith in the Son of God to save you based on His sacrifice for sin.

  • Poor analysis and extrapolation of scripture. The "sign" Jesus referred to was the correlation with 3 days in the belly of the whale to 3 days in the earth. God did not abandon Jesus to death because death could not hold Him since it had no jurisdiction over His life due to His sinless nature.Death is a curse as a result of sin. Therefore the Son of God could not be kept in the grave bodily. Also your understanding of a resurrection body is flawed. It is not just spirit, but a material body also

  • There is a problem with the analysis. MattithYau (Matthew) 27:50 says, "And Yahusha cried out again with a loud voice and gave up His spirit." Giving up your spirit is the last thing you would do before you die. The sign spoken by Yahusha did not involve being alive, but only referring to the time He would be in the tomb.

  • Because when man dies he is asleep, he really is not dead but asleep.. so Christ is not dead but asleep for 3 days, He bear our SIN and suffer in the cross but was awaken by the Elohim on the Third day. (By the Hebrew Calendar)

    Blessed is the man througH Ignorance Showed that Yeshua .. the son of adam (BY THE NEW TESTAMENT), the son of THE Elohim. Shalom

  • I am Jonah of which you speak of. Jesus Is Alive Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall Is His Name Repent for the kingdom of Heaven Is at Hand!!

  • You seem to devise the same strategy of Satan. You got everybody's attention by stating the truth of the Bible. But half way through you started with the untruths. Some I'm sorry to say were outright blasphemy. Satan operates the same way.

    I and the father are one. If you seen me you have seen the father.

  • why did you not mention this>

    The New Testament accounts do not state that the apostles saw an ordinary physical body. Jesus appeared in a locked room; he did not knock on the door. He walked with two disciples for seven miles to Emmaus, without being recognised. . Paul claims that Jesus appeared to him as a blinding light. Moreover, Matthew claims that Jesus' body disappeared from the tomb before the stone was rolled away from the entrance; he did not simply walk out.

  • Read: The 'Mystery of the Begotten Son'

    at:

    SalvationJourney c0m

    'Salvation According to Scripture' is also there for your reading pleasure.

  • You are wrong on many fronts but no matter what is said you and your followers will not accept truth. Therefore, there is a place called Hell and it is prepared for the unbelievers and liers. I no longer care for you people as you are an afront to me and you will get what you so rightly deserve.

    You see--

    Jesus is God, he is the only begotten of the Father; he was begotten trillions of years ago. God was formed from the bosom of the Father. God is the Word - Jesus is the Word made flesh.

  • Actually christians cannot answer this, they will come up with the time factor. Time factor is not a miracle, being alive is.

    Salam

  • many claim something ,but only one changed the world .he comforts the broken hearted ',he gives maening to lifes,a purpose for lving ,healed the sick and raised the dead,and 2008 yesrs laterstill changes lifes.whats his name,JESUS,THIS IS TRUE i was a person with out confiction or morals ,religous also .i was raised roman catholic,and had catholic teaching ,but i new was not going to paradise,then a a 18 year old boy come to me ,and showed me from the bible ,the truth about JESUS AND SHOWED

  • mash2k is a terrorist

    mash2k is not a real muslim, he is a sperm of satan

    look for photos of mash2k at thereligionofpeace*com

    mash2k is responsible for dead Muslims in Pakistan. He killed "real-Muslims".

    Sammeer brings shame upon his mother and Pakistan.

  • most people dont understand Gods love and justice . GODS love demands justice also;sin entered the world through adam because he sinned.

    Sin brings, death ;that why we die; the one that can take away sin is GOD. the GREAT I AM not allah,jesus being GOD did every possibly to bring man back to GOD,if you belieave that he died for your sins and rose again and want to give up your evil ways he will forgive you and give you eternal live,if as the scriptures teach if you have jesus you have live.

  • "sin brings death, that why we die" (Why then animals die ? they also sin?)

    Jesus being God (Did jesus ever claimed to be GOD and asked people to worhsip him? Did the 12 deciples bowed down to jesus ever?)

    if i believe Jesus died for sin ! (lol wht kind of God was that?)

    "..he will forgive u?" (why then Jesus himself asked forgiveness to God?)

    Where was Jesus before coming to earth? were the former prophets (like moses) fooling people by not telling them about "god" Jesus ! ?

  • was jesus god ?

    does GOD cries ?

    "Elia Elia why hv u forsaken me ?"

    Jesus was the beloved prophet and messenger of God just like MOSES, SOLEMAN, JONAH and the rest. people exaggeration made him son of God.

  • if you say "Jesus died for our sins"

    that means death of a God is the life of the God's creation.

    what kind of God would it be who himself is so weak against his own creation?

    The Father who created whole universe, who created sins, who created devil, who created jesus was so weak against the humans and their sins that he had to let his own son killed and humiliated?

    i dont belive in such gods (infact stories fabricated by the bible authors)

  • mash you have very bad understanding of scripture,you do not want to understand ; you are truely blinded, mohamad is not a prophet and allah is not the god of creation.Isreal is the chosen race through which GOD blessed, not the arabs.the bible talks about the jews and a messiah which would come Emmanuel{God with us ]MATHEW 1;23 JESUS is coming again he will be king of king LORD of LORDS. read revelations you will see Jesus has the first and the last the alpha and omega the ALMIGHTY REV 1;8

  • This scripture is from the Quran:

    [2:40] O Children of Israel, remember My favor, which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your part of the covenant, that I fulfill My part of the covenant, and reverence Me.

    The Holy Quran doesn't talk about arabs being the blessed ones, and neither do muslims who have read the quran.

  • ancient israel- new archaelogical research says it never happened

    video

    Ancient Israel- A Fiction created by Hellenic Pharisees

  • What never happened in ancient israel?

  • ancient israel never happened. Jerusalem was a tiny hereer village in 1000 bce.

  • If ur goind against ancient israel then ur going against the bibe as well

  • if ur going against ancient israel ur going against the bible ecotheary

  • The Bible is like the parable of the wheat and tares. They r planted together, and will grow together until the final harvest.

    Beware of the tares. like the part of the bible where they trade foreskins.

  • So ur saying the Bible has mistakes! It is not divine.

    What do you mean by this:

    ancient israel never happened. Jerusalem was a tiny hereer village in 1000 bce.

  • 1. Jesus taught in Aaramaic (Old Hebrew). The first gospel was a Hebrew book of Mathew. Where did it fo, what happened to it, or why was the Book of Thomas not in the Bible, etc. Annd now we have a greek new testament, who wrote it, clearly not the fishermaen simple men chosen by Jesus as his Apostles. And who really was Paul, and why by his own words was he banned from Asia by the Christians there? The Bible is wheat and tares. 2. On the OT, see my video, Ancient Israel.

  • Yes exactly I agree with you, the bible of today is not the real teachings of Jesus.

    See video crucifixion (in my account)

  • This scripture is from the Quran:

    [2:40] O Children of Israel, remember My favor, which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your part of the covenant, that I fulfill My part of the covenant, and reverence Me.

    The Holy Quran doesn't talk about arabs being the blessed ones, and neither do muslims who have read the quran.

  • read the scriptures see that jonah died ;he went to the grave in sheol, in jonah 3;2 it says that jonah arose from the dead ;God said arise .now go tell the people to repent. ,Jesus was 3 days and 3 nites in the grave .he died on wednesday nite and rose sat evening appearing on Sunday morning to his followers. the first day of the week.

  • Ya, you didn't even watch the video fully

  • If Christianity is truth, then ceasor won and The FATHER failed !

    "O My father, if it be possible, LET THIS CUP PASS AWAY.." (Matthew 26:39)

    Does the cup pass away by brutely killing ones own son on the cross ? or by punishing the evil-doers !

  • well forgot to mention... Jesus

    (as reported in the bible, i m not certain weather bible actually reports Jesus own words, or does it reflects the heavenly revealations which people like st.luke and other bible writter recevied, whose whereabouts are unknown)

    was asking help to God who was so helpless against romans that he said "if it is possible"... but the God which muslim worships is not that helpless against his own creation.

  • Major Yeats-Brown, in his, "Life of a Bengal Lancer", summarise the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement in just a single sentence: "No heathen tribe has conceived so grotesque a idea, involving as it does the assumption, that man was born with a hereditary stain upon him: and that this stain (for which he was not personally responsible) was to be atoned for: and that the Creator of all thing had to sacrifice his only begotten son to neutralize this mysterious curse."

  • Thanks for contribution. I have added this to the video introduction.

  • ur welcome bro-keep up the good work,may ALLAH reward u..salam

  • JazakAllah.. real credit goes to Ahmed Deedat.

  • all credit to ALLAH

  • While the actual crucifying of jesus and time spent in the tomb only took 2 days and 2 nights, the entire process (including the "trial") took 3 days and 3 nights. Once could even interpret the trial as Jonah in the whale's mouth. In that the whole ordeal is begun but, Christ is not yet dead. (I would classify anyone who believes Jesus died to save them as a Christian and would not classify JW's as a cult, although I am not one.)

  • what entire process ? elaborate.

  • so how wd u feel if i try falsify the Jonah's statement as reported in the bible, by saying that actually Jonah was wrong. he did not added in his statement, those days which he spend on bed after coming out of whale fish.. probabbly 3 weeks (for treatment of his wounds) ! so the entire process took more days then Jonah reported !

    I have understood the "ACtual Process" but the God's Messenger could not !

  • Jonah entering the whale is meant to symbolize death. The fact that Jonah was aware, or as put in the video "alive", in all his time in the whale is meant to symbolize that Jesus, while his physical body was dead, was, in spirit, aware and conscious.

  • i think you using term "Symbolize" to get rid of the facts. ! well the word "Symbolize" is too helpful for any situation. for example americans "Symbolized" the "Nuke attack on heroshima" as "PEACE Message to the world" !

    the facvt is that since Jonah was alive in whale's womb, and came out alive, so Jesus wast ever crucified. he was saved from being crucified by God Almighty.

  • At the Jamatt website, Malik Ali refers to the Jehovah's Witnesses as both a Christian religion and and a cult. Yes, they're a cult but no, they're not Christians. Christianity is not a cult. True Christians abhor the JW's and feel the same frustration at their doorbell-ringing antics as many Muslims probably do.

  • I'm glad that you have already acknowledged that Jesus Christ was at the same time the Son of Man as well as the Son of God. For it by this very quality that He is able to link humanity to God in a way that no other beings could be..

  • Ok as we look at what our forefathers knew about the Christ the coming Messiah.. let us see whether it was revealed to them that the Son of Man would in fact be the literal Son of God...

  • (May GOD forgive me for this, its just for reasoning)

    If Joseph was the humanly father of JESUS, so when JOseph did intercourse with Mary, God mixed up his own semon.

    Or God deprived Joseph of his fatherhood, and made Jesus his adopted son?

    whats your point ?

  • I am already convinced that your and mine forfathers were convinced that JESUS Christ was about to come. I AM STILL NOT CONVINCED THEY THEY KNEW HE WAS THE SON OF GOD. You are not able to prove in clear words. Just taking assumptions and using weaker arguments like of sheeps or goats.

  • Son of Man as well as Son of God !

    So this is your solution to the confusions of Bible ? can you produce a single verse from Bible in which Jesus says

    "I AM BOTH SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN!" ?

    "A time will come when gentiles (moslems) will quarrel you about it. therefore i m declaring it now I M SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN."

    well who was the MAN ? i know the GOD !

    JOseph? did God let Joseph marry his wife?

  • My dearest friend, you have shared me lot of valuable verses from the holy bible. and i m thank ful for you.

    in the same way i would like you to go through this text. I already know what arguments you have. but i also want to equipp you with arguments that i have in advance.

    noblequran * com / translation / index * html

    goto chapter 19.

    this chapter is devoted to Maryam (pbuh)

  • ok but please ponder this in the meantime..

    When Abraham took his child (only child given by promise and only son born to his real wife) to the mountain as God had asked, in order to present him as a sacrifice rather than a lamb this is the discussion that ensued:

    Gen 22:7 And Isaac spoke unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?

  • Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

    Abraham already knew that the true 'lamb' that took away the sins of the whole world would eventually be provided for by God Himself.

  • Gen 22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

    Gen 22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

    Gen 22:11 And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.

  • Gen 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

    Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

  • Gen 22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.

    And interpreted, the name Jehovah-Jireh means that the Lord will be anything to save us -- He will provide

  • Also bearing in mind the verses from Matthew where Jesus praises Peter for rightly naming Him as or saying that He is THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD

  • And also bearing in mind what was prophesied about the coming Messiah by the Prophet Isaiah when he said:

    Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Naming Him as both the Son and the Mighty God in one sentence...

  • Thank you so very much for sharing that with me.. it has enabled me to get a clearer idea of where you are coming from...

    Thank you for being patient with me earlier as I focused on things that perhaps you already knew and were not quite the point you were making...

  • I would now like to ask you a question

  • you do not necessarily have to answer it now, you may take some time to think about it (or them since i have a couple)...

  • my questions are..

    What do you believe is the character of God. After all of your studying and everything you have been taught. What is the Character of God like as you believe it to be?

    Also..

  • What do you think the aims of the devil were to begin with? When He first rebelled against God Almighty? What could he have been jealous of? What could be his motives for turning the truth of God into a lie and feeding that lie to mankind?

  • Just like he did in the garden of Eden when he got eve to eat the fruit and forfeit her eternal life by use of deception...

  • And how do you think we are now able to decipher between what is truth and what is false?

  • And how can we know whether something is of God (the one who created us and wanted us to continue living because he had created us) or of the devil (the one who deceived us and wanted us to die and become completely separated from God for ever)?

  • And also.. would God who created us ever encourage anyone to sin more (for sinning is going against his law and his government).. or would the devil (the one who did rebel and is rebelling against God) be the only one who would encourage anybody to sin or commit evil acts which would separate them from God?

  • now i know that these are a lot of questions (to put it mildly).. but please, I would be so grateful if you could let me know your opinion on these matters..

  • I have to go right now because I am leaving my family tomorrow to go back to the place where I'm studying and I would like to spend some time with them..

    But I look forward to hearing from you.. Thank you for sharing with me al that you have done so far...

    Peace be with you my friend

  • I have a different concept. God created us the beautiful universe and created humans and titled them "best of the creations" (Ashraf ul makhlooqat). He gave us the will to either do good deeds (sawab) or do bad deeds(sin). he told us cleary what is good and what is bad (in scriptures). now we are free to adopt what ever path we desire. but on day of judgement he will question us and decide for us heaven or hell based upon our deeds.

  • I am not able to summarize this reply in few comments. I am sending you as message. please check your inbox at youtube. please go through my message, i have written it my self for the clearification of most of the points you have asked.

  • The only way we can do is to continue our discission as much as i can. even if i think i have the ultimate truth, i will not claim here. because its against the ethics of discussion and dialogue. as quran says

    "There is no compulsion in the religion. surely righteous path has been distinguished from the wrong one."

    only discussion will lead us to the truth.

  • Adam pbuh and Eve pbuh were true bondsmen and beloved representatives of God on earth. Satan deceive both Adam and Eve, and after realising, both asked forgiveness from God, and God did forgive them mercifully. God not as punishment, but as representative and for his bigger plot, sent them to earth with love and for a cause. it had nothing to do with their sin or punishment. God is very merciful. He do not take into account sin which is done mistakenly and not repeatedly.

  • He surely deceived Adam and Eve both [not just Eve]. Both adam and eve did eat but they realized their mistakes, and bowed down to God and ask forgiveness. God did forgive both of them as God is very Merciful. not as punishment, but for his Plot, he sent adam and eve as Representatives and Ruler of God from paradise to earth for a limited time.

  • Satan was a great Jin (a creatoin of God made up of fire). When God ordered satan to bow down to Adam, he went jealous by saying to God that "how can i bow down to a creation which is made up of inferior matter mud/dust, while you created me from Fire". He disobeyed God by disobeying his commandment.

  • He can never turn the truth of God into Lie. He only tries to turn men astray by showing and arousing in him wishes,desires, greed and jealousy. God has given mankind both the wisdom and intellect to judge what is good and what is bad. both as common sense as well as through scriptures.

  • 1. God is from ever and will live for ever.

    2. The universe is not separated from God in the sense that whole universe is basically in the Immagination of God.

    3. God is omnipresent.

    4. God is free from every thing.

    5. There is no one like Him.

    6. Neither he begotten any one nor any one begotten HIm.

  • Check out this wikipedia explanation of "Son of God". It is very clear that the notion "Son of God" was used as Son of children that is those men and women who obeyed God and earned the blessings of God. only laterly, christians changed the meaning

    en * wikipedia * org / wiki / Son_of_God

  • DAVID QUOTING WORDS OF GOD ABOUT SOLOMON

    6: He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be MY SON, and I will be his Father. [Chronicles Chapter 28]

    Which means God (The father) had many sons ?

    So Jesus had brothers ?

  • I trust that the texts I have quoted, God has allowed me bring to the forefront for a reason, I believe they will serve a purpose (even if not to you at this present time)

    But thank you again for your patience. Through it you have been displaying some of the character of your Father in heaven Almighty God...

  • Ok now I will get back to the topic of Abraham..

  • 16:27 For the SON OF MAN will come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done

    Why Bible so confused ? how can Jesus call him SON OF MAN on one instance and says blessing to peter when he says u r SON OF GOD!

  • I GUESS SON OF MAN or SON OF FATHER IS IN SPIRTUAL TERMS. WE CALL OUR TEACHERS AS OUR SPIRTUAL FATHERS AS WELL.

    16:27 For the SON OF MAN will come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.38 16:28 I tell you the truth,39 there are some standing here who will not40 experience41 death before they see the SON OF MAN coming in his kingdom."42

  • This confusion aroused only due to the writters of the Bible. I cant believe Jesus being a true prophet of God and Christ spread this confusion himself. the only solution to give honor to jesus, is by accepting that JESUS called GOD as "FATHER" only Spirtual Father. because SON of GOD can never be SON OF MAN also. however SON OF MAN can be called SON OF GOD in spirtual terms. like GOD as a teacher teaching his mankind.

  • Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

  • Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

    Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.

    Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

  • In the wilderness Christ rebuked the devil for supposing that listening to what the devil commanded would prove He was the Son of God.

    He never once denied actually being the Son of God.

    He later blessed Peter for acknowledging that He was in fact the Son of God, saying that God the Father Himself had revealed it to Peter. (Neither God the Father nor Jesus would Lie)

  • NO MENTION THAT JESUS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT HE WAS SON OF GOD. ONLY SATAN TRIED TO CONVINCE JESUS THAT HE WAS SON OF GOD.

    4:18 As27 he was walking by the Sea of Galilee he saw two brothers, Simon (called Peter) and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea (for they were fishermen).28 4:19 He said to them, "Follow me, and I will turn you into fishers of people."29 4:20 They30 left their nets immediately and followed him.

  • So was this made clear to our forefathers such as Abraham, Moses, and Solomon? And was it clear to them that the true 'Lamb' which would take away the sins of the 'world' (including Hitler if he repented and turned to follow God and surrender himself to the will of God, loving Him and showing this by keeping His commandments) was it clear to them that this lamb would be the 'Son of God'??

    Well let's investigate... and since Abraham came before Moses and Solomon let us start with him...

  • The killing of the lamb was to remind them that the wages of sin are death and also to point them towards the fact that God's promises are true that one day the 'seed of the woman' would disarm the devil by paying the wages of sin for us (dying in our place).

    Just as a literal lamb had to die for the sins of the people, Jesus (often referred to as the Lamb of God) would be provided by God to die for our sins and pay the penalty.

  • You made Jesus "SON OF GOD" a little lamb ?

    i guess it was an anciet tradition to sacrifice animals to save themselves from the wrath of gods (sun,moon,stars,trees,fire) they worshipped !

    and JESUS was not the male of the first year ! he was more then 20 years old !

    I think SON OF GOD concept should have been the top # 1 of the "TEN Commandment"

  • The killing of the lamb was to remind them that the wages of sin are death and also to point them towards the fact that God's promises are true that one day the 'seed of the woman' would disarm the devil by paying the wages of sin for us (dying in our place).

    Just as a literal lamb had to die for the sins of the people, Jesus (often referred to as the Lamb of God) would be provided by God to die for our sins and pay the penalty.

  • All the way up until the death of Christ on the cross God commanded people to kill a lamb (and not just any lamb but it had to be innocent and pure) for every sin they committed.

    Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

  • MESSAGE OF MOSES AND MOHAMMED AND JESUS

    4:8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their grandeur.14 4:9 And he said to him, "I will give you all these things if you throw yourself to the ground and worship15 me." 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go away,16 Satan! For it is written: 'You are to worship the Lord your God and serve ONLY HIM. [Mathews chap 3]

  • All the way up until the death of Christ on the cross God commanded people to kill a lamb (and not just any lamb but it had to be innocent and pure) for every sin they committed.

    Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

  • JESUS DENIED BEING SON OF GOD

    4:2 After he fasted forty days and forty nights he was famished.2 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become bread."3 4:4 But he answered,4 "It is written, 'Man does not livee by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"7

  • God was telling Man(kind) that generations down the road someone 'seed of the woman' would disarm the devil even though the devil would hurt Him in some way.

    This was the first indication to man of the plan of salvation.. Okay now lets continue..

  • In the presence of both Adam and Eve the following took place:

    Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

  • Did Moses pbuh himself worshipped Jesus ?

  • Okay while we study the Word of God let us consider this question... Why were the Jews waiting for a messiah and what was revealed to them about this messiah that they should wait for Him so eagerly?

    In the garden of Eden an amazing plan for salvation was first revealed to Man(kind).

  • Let me revise that.. I wil start with Adam and Eve.. Because God made known His great plan of salvation from the very time sin entered into the world..

  • Yes sir, you will find me a person anxious to learn more and opening up his mind. but give me referencs from the Jewish books or the ancient scriptures, and also what was the crime of Jews, if they had not received a clear message that JESUS will be the Son of God, and they didt followed him, and did Moses himself ever told them to worship Jesus?

  • Ok please be patient with me.. Pray that I will find the appropriate texts...

    Lets begin with Moses since you mentioned him first...

  • Seriously do you think if Hitler had baptized right before his death ! had he received salavation ?

  • The Bible never says or suggests that CHrist did not accomplish His goal of dying for our sins... Where do you think that idea may have come from?

    Think carefully please

    Grace and peace be with you

  • The history tells it. From old statement to the new testament, Bible has gone through a lot many different additions. Bible is not entirely composed of Jesus words. its a mixture. when some thing becomes a mixture, origionality of the text becomes doubtful. as obvious by the several contradictions i mentioned.

  • Quran simple message. Moses pbuh came and guided people about One God. Ibraham had the same message. Solomon had the same message. Jesus had the same Message. and Mohammed had the same message. But the bible interpretation makes Jesus a Son of God. what about those who died before Jesus and were unaware of a Son of God? wasnt that injustice to the people before him?

  • I dont think so Son of God needs to die for our sins. I think one should do good deeds according to the teaching of God throughout his life with hope and fear to get rid of his sins. just like i have to study hard to pass my exams, instead of just believing that my examinner is a Son of the Principal of my college to pass it.

  • Well i honestly tell you that i WILL revise my conepts about Jesus pbuh, if you are able to present clear enough statement of Moses pbuh, Solomon pbuh and Ibraham pbuh (at least one from every messenger) that "Worship the Father as well the Son of the Father who is in heave and will come to earth soon." !

    were those former messenegrs and prophets unaware of this GREAT FACT OF "SON OF GOD"?

  • I have a question.. If you accept the Words of Christ when He prophesied his death in matt17:22-23

    How can you accept what the Qua'ran says when it says that Christ did not die?

  • I m not confused about Quran because it gives one statement from the first chapter to the last chapter.

    There are many questions.

    1. If God begotten a son, why not a daughter too ?

    2. Why if God can begot a son, why Not more?

    one son for the salvatoin of romans, other for the salvations of russians, and so many for each nation !

    Jesus said "I m not sent but to the lost sheep of israel"

  • Yes thats what i confuse about. The words in mathews 7:22 says he will rise from death. The critical analysis of bible, i did, on the basis of his own words, "no sign but sign of Jonah" it says Jesus couldt be dead on Cross. it seems bible writted (St.Paul or John the baptist) understood Jesus mistakenly. just like the Good Friday controversy.

  • And if i believe in Quran, i am still following and loving Jesus. As you will hardly find any muslim talkin bad about Jesus. Quran has glorified jesus by telling that "Jesus did not Die.. God listened to him when his beloved prophet asked for help"

    "Elia Elia why have you forsaken me.". it gives me more trust on God

  • Each name attributed to Jesus in the scriptures highlight different aspects of His character and relationship to us as human beings and to God. I therefore do not understand the point you are trying to make.

  • Jesus is refered to in the Bible by many different names.. Yes you are correct in saying that He is the Son of Man and also the Son of God. He is also refered to as God's righteous right arm, the Lion of David, Emmanuel (meaning God with us), the Messiah, The Prince of peace, Master, Rabbi, Teacher, The Way, The truth, and The Life, the Lamb of God, The Vine (and we are the branches), Our great High Priest...and many more.

  • "This day you will be with me in paradise."

  • I didt get your point. Friend, plz elaborate.

  • If you accept the word's of Jesus here, as you do in this Jonah analogy, why not accept what he said to the thief beside him on the cross?

  • I accept from the depth of my heart Jesus Christ was a true messenger and prophet of God Almighty sent to mankind just as Moses pbuh and Abraham pbuh were. However as a student of comparitive religion, i would like to know his words as u mentioned he said to his theif on the cross. and also give me one single reference from Bible where Jesus pbuh ordered to Worship himself !

  • you hope you get to paradise,read the holly bible ,or for onilne reading go to chick publications.subjects like where did i get the bible ;catholics,mormans,jehovah wittness,ww2,and muslims.

  • I also believe God Almighty who is the creator of "Power of Creation" himself ! notice not just the creator but the creator of the creative power !. Such a supreme God should love his most beloved person Jesus more then the "Adulterious and Evil generation". And i cant belive he did not listen to beloved Jesus pbuh when he cried "Elia Elia why have you forsakeen me?". I belive when such noble person cries for help, God always listens.

  • Greetings in the name of the Most High God...

    I am so glad to see that you are reading the Bible and that you are not only reading it but studying it.

    For "The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple." Psalm 119:130

    Continue to do so my friend.

  • I have a verse for you that may shed some light on your queries.

    In the same book of Matthew, five chapters down, it reads:

    Mat 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

    Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

  • This is the prophecy that Christ fullfilled when He died for our sins (mine and yours and the rest of Humanity's) on the cross. He was laid in the tomb just before Sabbath on Friday evening and rose again on the third day (early morning on the first day of the week).

    He prophecied that they would 'Kill Him' and that He would rise again from the dead. And He did!!! Praise God Almighty!!

  • Now in response to the words of Christ Jesus concerning the sign of the Prophet Jonah.

    The term 'three days and three nights' is only ever used three times in the Bible.

    Let's look at when Christ uses those words directly (this is the verse you quoted):

    Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

  • The greek word used here for 'heart' is the word 'Kardia' and it is used in the figuritive form meaning the 'thoughts' or 'feelings' (mind)

    It is the same word for 'heart' used in these words that Christ spoke and many more like it:

    Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

  • The word for 'earth' in chapter 12 verse 40 is 'ge' which can indeed mean soil, region, ground, country, land, or world. But in each application of the word the definition also includes the occupants.

    So...

    Christ said that the sign the generation would get would be that He would be three days and three nights in the thoughts, or feelings (mind) of the occupants of the soil, region, ground, country, land, or world.

  • He never prophesied that He (the Son of Man) would be dead for three days and three nights. He has never, and will never, fail to fulfil His prophecies; including the prophecy He made concerning His own death as recorded in chapter 17 of the book of Matthew; where He predicted His own death. (And there are many other times in the Bible where He prophecies His death.)

  • When Christ died on the cross He paid the penalty for our sins.

    But He (God Almighty) has always given us a choice. He calls us to seek first His Kingdom and His Righteousness. And He promises us that the gift of God Almighty is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom6:23, Eph2:8)

    But we must choose to accept His gift. The truth is before ours eyes.. but the choice has always been ours.

  • that is.. the choice to accept His gift of grace and mercy.

  • I hope that you will understand the message in the words of Christ. Keep searching after and seeking after the truth. And ask God Almighty to reveal to you what is truth and He will.

    I look forward to hearing your comments back.

    Thank you for bringing up this subject and for allowing me to reaffirm my faith in Christ tonight.

    Peace be with you

  • I'd also like to encourage you to search a video on here called 'gethsemane' the one posted by lazbo4174.. I feel you will be interested in it.

    :)

  • If Bible is confused about simple mathametics, how should one not be about Son of Man and Son of God !

    "And solomon had four thousands stalls for horses and chariots.."(Chronicles 9:25)

    while

    "And solomon had FORTY THOUSANDS stalls for horses for his chariots.." (Kings 4:26)

    ? you can only play with words to disprove it.

  • Is this the confused gift of GOd "Bible"?

    "Jehoiachin was eigh yrs old..." (Chronicles 36)

    "Jehoiachin was 18 yrs old" (Kings 24)

    "so God came to David...sever yrs of famine" (Samuel 24:13)

    "..either three years famine.." (Chronicles 21:12)

  • Bible is mathamatically confused as its about Jesus either Son of Man or Son of God.

    "and the syrians.. david slew the men of seven hundread chariots of syrians.."(Samuel 10)

    "But the syrians fled before israel: and david slew of the syrians SEVEN THOUSANDS men.." (Chronicles 19)

    is the Bible God;s word ? or a mixture of Jesus, and John the Baptist, desciples and new endaveors of highest priests !

  • HOw many times its is mentioned in the bible, the words "Son of Man". and in the inspiration to the "John the Baptist" and "Saint Paul", it is "Son of God". isnt that the reason christianiy is confused ? Jesus predicted his own death while his prophecy going against him. is bible confused?

  • You are playing with Jesus's words. this is all i my point is. He simply says "Belly of the earth". and you adding different meanings to the simple words for the sake of your arguments. i guess this is why Jesus called "Evil and adulterous natoin." as this nation is addicted to play with words of their masters.

  • every knee shall bow and every tounge confess that jesus is LORD,TO THE GLORY OF GOD,if bow or kneeling is not a sighn of worship tell me what is .here are the bible quotes read the all ,isa 45.22-23 roman 14;11 phl 2;10-11 if yoy have read all of the qoutes you will say Jesus is going to be worshiped has lord by very person that ever lived.

  • this video is simple and great bro masha Allah

    Jazak Allah khayr

  • Brother Sam, one of your Muslim's brother has sent me this video. Thanks.

  • I am a Christian. As a Christian, I believe in Jesus as the Lord and the Savior. Jesus died (Jesus died to clean our sin with His blood), had been raised from the dead, He is never going to die again; death no longer has mastery over Him. And about Jonah, He didnt die at that time when he was in the stomach of a fish. He hadnt been raised from the dead. Alright brother Sam, I hope now you understand what the different between Jesus and Jonah is. Thanks for this video. God bless you!

  • For Christ07id

    the point of this video is that Jesus peace be upon him prophecised giving the people the sign of jonah

    and jonah didnt die and came back 3 days later

    just like Jesus wich confirms that Jesus didnt die

    "as he prophecised" that's what "sign of Jonah" means

    God bless