USS Wisconsin 16" guns

[KNS1996DFS]

I'll be honest. When the guns went off, I got slightly arroused.

[clevelandtyler2]

the US anti-sonofabitch machine

[GGBundy]

USS Wisconsin is one badass battlewagon!!

[MishuTaste]

I'd freakin' lose my hearing if I was near those things.

[eduarlambert]

In Spanish: From norte del sur: Venezuela: hay una pagina de internet "acero y vapor" que detalla como pudo haber sido una batalla entre el Iowa norteamericano y el Tirpitz aleman en el año 1943, se llama: LA BATALLA QUE NUNCA FUE...

[ScotAF]

Just did a tour of the Wisconsin at the Hampton Naval Museum. I wanted to see what those guns looked like when they fired....wow.

[hwoods01]

Nope, they still have a specialized role: dropping tonnage on coastal targets. There isnt any more efficent way to deliver 2000lbs bombs in this application. 36,000 lbs. a minute.  Thats why two of this class, even though museums, are still "mothball semi-ready" to go back into active service if nessecary.

[HelmutVillam]

Just imagine if the USN built any of the Montana class BBs. Lengthen this ship by a 100 feet or so, and slap an extra 3 16inch guns on.

[lander4545]

Try using electromagnetic rail gun technology. They could fire a 16" shell at 8 times the spead of sound at a range of about three hundred nautical miles! Can you imagine?

[Cirux321]

LMAO. Dont need a 16" round for the rail guns. A 5" slug already does enough damage from rail guns as is. A 16" round going Mach 7 might just implode the universe lol. Overkill.

[Cirux321]

and 4 to 6 inches thicker armor.

[lander4545]

The Iowas were the best battleships ever produced! Incidentally,thats why they are still all afloat!

[SprecheDeutsch]

Keep in mind that the Wisconsin was updated with Tomahawks for her participation in Desert Storm, and they can always add on more sophisticated platforms if they find it necessary.

[BornTruble]

I've been on this ship at least 5 times

[jimmydecember]

my dad fired these guns from 1944-1945 in the pacific..

[blinko656]

Your dad was and is a hero!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pzgraf]

Thank him from me!

Sincerely,

The Free World

[lander4545]

Your dad was of the generation that literally saved the world! We owe a debt of gratitude to there sacrafice!

[Russiansniper93]

god bless America!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus!!!!!

[fluentinsilence]

I've never had the luxury of being on deck while a 16" gun (or larger) has been fired; I'm curious as to the shockwave and sound one might experience.

[dba7dba]

@fluentinsilence,

Yamato AAA guns were in enclosed turrets because otherwise, the AAA gunners would've been killed/seriously injured when the main guns fired.

[blake0862]

look up the uss nc

[Ovp609]

I toured the main decks of the BATTLESHIP WISCONSIN in Norfolk... What a ship, and what armor on that battlewagon! My late father was part of the last honorary crew to bring it to the Nauticas - its final resting place in Norfolk. The four Iowa Class Battleships were the Navy's brute-strength muscle ships of their day and were still some of the fastest ships in the Navy until their decommissions in the 1990's.

[1h2r]

ur saying its not in use anymore y?seems strong and shld be in use when the time comes.thats sucks!!

[iowa61]

They still would be some of the fastest, most manueverable ships in the anybody's navy today...

[xxxcraigerxxx]

i agree about the radar, however i think history proved the bismarck's already outdated armour held its own quite well.. i think first blood would win an otherwise fairly even match...

[Cirux321]

Her armor did not hold its own. True enough that the Bismark was scuttled at the end, however her armor was holed by HMS Rodney's 16" guns in the final battle (proven by underwater footage) while the HMS King George V's 14" guns tore her superstructure to pieces. Bismark could not land a single shell and within minutes all her main guns were out of action. This was due to faulty design in which her main electrical and comm components was above her armor instead of below it. Iowa was superior.

[phonix032]

i didnt know that thanks fo te info

[iowa61]

Bismark was tough, well-built ship. But design and engineering-wise was at least a generation or even two behind IOWA. The IOWAs were way, way ahead of their time in virtually every design aspect. Amazing pieces of industrial engineering.

[lander4545]

Don't forget AMERICAN engineering!

[iowa61]

Both the Germans and Japanese had great engineers and engineering. But the IOWAs stand alone, that's for sure.

[xxxcraigerxxx]

i'd like to see bismarck and an iowa class slugg it out that would be interesting :)

[Cirux321]

Im pretty sure the Iowa would win. The Iowa classes armor was designed to deflect 2,150lb 16" shells. So for the most part it would have bounced the Bismarks 1,764lb 14.96" shells. While the 2,700lb 16" shell would have sliced through Bismarks armor fairly easy. Also, though the Bismarks gunners was notoriously the best naval gunners in the world at the time, they used all optics and didnt have the luxury of radar assisted fire control like the Iowas did.

[jednoucelovy]

Impressive! If I were an enemy, I would shit my pants (if I had time to do so, of course, since there is like a small car flying from each of those barrels).

[eduarlambert]

In Spanish: El Yamato lo hubiera volado en pedazos...Ahora una pelea pareja hubiera sido los clase Iowa contra el Tirpitz..

[darknessvolt]

This Battleship can destroy 1 city.

[TSALN]

BANG BANG BANG!

[tjp6jo3]

The best of the best Battleship "class Iwoa"~!!

[mightycowhero]

big gun go boom.

[juufa72]

I wonder when hearing protection was first used?

[northcool]

"uh..and the fireball that come out...it's as big as one of my farts!"

[aspnhl7]

this is an awsome ship to go on, i got a chance to go on it in Virginia. my grandfather served on it, and its funny because he left the ship before the whole incident in the harbor where it ran into a destroyer.

[NaPalm625]

why must they replace guns with missiles :(

[pROTPANDA]

Its more effective.. : )

[DanOblacksmith]

I had the good fortune to tour the U.S.S. Missouri when she put into Pearl Harbor in 1988 with the U.S.S. Nimitz. I was a marine stationed at marine barracks pearl at the time, any active duty could go down and take a tour.

The Iowa class are BIG ships but honestly, tied up alongside the Nimitz she looked like a canoe by comparison.

Standing in one of the forward turrets and gazing up into the barrel of one of those 16" guns is a very humbling experience.

Also the "citadel" (bridge) 18" walls

[eduarlambert]

In Spanish: ¿como pudo haber sido el combate en 1943 entre el Tirpitz Aleman y el Iowa Norteamericano?

[eduarlambert]

Solo era superado por el Acorazado Yamato

[uccrider]

Impressive guns, thank god Allis Chalmers Mfg of Milwaukee Wisconsin had the manufacturing capabilities to make the guns and turrents for these amazing ships, and the ability to make them so deadly accurate

[balesirion]

No, the guns on the Yamato-class were only 18.1 inches, not 20.

[tomanyasses]

thats right my dad was on the iowa and they went hunting for the big 18 inch ship butt never found her. the iowa had better radar and 16 inch shells could do almost as much damage as the 18 inch.

[HeavyOrdnance]

The largest shipboard guns were 20 in on the Japanese Yamato-class.

[castillianwagon]

There is something that exceeded the 16 inch guns. The German Gustov and Dora railroad guns. They were 36 inch gums and fired a 7,000 pound projectile 43 miles and the armor penitrating shell was 14 feet long ! The 16 inch shells were 6 feet long and weighed 2500 pounds.

[Hiei2k7]

GUNS THAT HAVE BEEN BRINGING THE WAR TO YOUR FRONT DOOR FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

AND that bastard DIDN'T MOVE ONE INCH WHEN FIRING!

Naval Supremacy.

[srotagadirolf]

...and when they fire off those guns, the rust in the engineroom falls all over the place. Any leaks that were minor will become major! BT3

[rtech580]

The New Jersey was the only one of the Iowa class that engaged another ship in WW2.

There was hardly any battleship on battleship action in the Pacific War. Most notable was the USS Washington and USS North Carolina in WW2. As far as the Iowa class, USS New Jersey

had the most noteworthy career in all conflicts she was in.

[tim3058]

I was onboard this ship yesterday. Impressive ship, I wish they were still around...:(

[ERWI65]

What a beautiful yet powerful ship.

Go USS Wisconsin!

[jarkoer]

I was onboard the Wiskey Punch down in the print shop for the Gulf War, and I helped decommission her. Nice to see some old familiar faces. But boy, that Bos'n Marshall was a no-nonsense cuss.

[Rebehtu99]

Wouldn't it be interesting if they modernized the Wisconsin and Missouri and brought them back into service? They could extend them and put a nuclear reactor on board and they could be the Super carriers attack dogs. Of course that would cost a lot so we probably will never do it.

[earthmagekl7]

The BattleShip Yamato had 18" guns. so HA lol

[RoadCaptainEntertain]

And she is at the bottom of the sea off Okinawa.

[bassbone1785]

but each turret had only 2 guns, and their range was about 5 miles less than the 16's so that makes them less of a plus; so ha to you too

[lorenzomus]

Lol, are you nuts? each turret had 3 guns, and they were each 18.1". Their max range was 25miles. The yammy had the highest range of all ships, they even needed a scout plane to coordinate their attack, cause they couln't see their target cause of the vurve of the earth. so HA to you.

[orcaown]

the iowas had to have scout planes...they were both gud ships, both very powerful guns, but with long range, but the japinese did have bigger guns, but guns do not win wars alone, you need a crew that knows how to work the guns well, part of the reason bismark was good. and it might mean somthing that the iowas are all still afloat...in 1 piece...

[ERWI65]

But it's still at the bottom of the ocean meanwhile the USS Wisconsin carried out her noble career with valor and honor.

[twini84]

what heroic things did it do to carry out career with "valor"?

shore bombardment?

[ERWI65]

twini84- Valor. As in the USS Wisconsin protected the country from an aggressive enemy.

[bassbone1785]

But realize that the iowa class guns had a range of over 28 miles. And all of the scout planes were on the iowa class as well, Ive been to the wisconson, Iowa, and missouri. The funny thing was that the scout planes saw a jeep waving a white flag to it in submission before even a shot was fired.

[Cirux321]

You do realize that max range had little bearing in ship to ship combat dont you? Any ship to ship engagement at that time was between 15,000-30,000 yards (basically 1/2 to 3/4 their max range). The longest recorded hit from a ship was HMS Warspite at barely over 25,000yards. Yamatos targeting system relied purely on Optical rangefinders (had to be in visual range). Iowas used both Optical and Radar fire control systems. Scout planes were used to direct gunfire for shore bombardments and recon.

[pizzagirl999]

my dad was in the gulf war and is in this video at 00:25 in the centre

GO DAD!!!!!

[wolficatz]

That's cool..;-)

[tropicallanterns]

@pizzagirl999 that's pretty cool!

[beiersup]

i was on that during the gulf war .

[buckshot704]

Each weapon, after firing, will return to a 5-degree elevation. This facilitates not only the gas charge which propels any burning embers from the silk powder bags out the end of the muzzle, but prepares the rifle for loading the next shell.

[JDCoolMan21]

Why do the gun barrels appear to kind of bob up and down after each shot? Is this how it helps displace the recoil?

[grtoutdoors62]

history of jap battleships-sucess ratio vs. us battleships repaired after dec.7, 1941. 

any comment?

[Bullettube]

No American BBs were lost after Pearl Harbor,  but except for the Nagata and the old Sutsu, the Japanese had lost all of their BBs by 1945.

[Cirux321]

In fact bullet, 5 of the Pearl veteran battleships exacted revenge in the Battle of Surigao Strait in the Leyte Gulf campaign. They engaged the IJN battleships Fuso and Yamashiro as well as heavy cruisers and destroyers leaving most sinking and/or burning wrecks. By wars end the sole surviving Japanese capital ship was the IJN Nagato, which we sank in the 2nd (baker) atomic bomb explosion in Bikini Atoll.

[Bullettube]

Yes, and the sweetest revenge was from the Pennsylvania! Though she probably didn't hit anything, (her fire controls were never fully modernized), I like to think that she did.

[eduarlambert]

MADRE SANTA

[ArmAVidz]

like holy shit lol

[parkjh77]

cool!!!!!!!!

[Shadesdrummer]

But the uss wisconsin is still strong.

[AirLancer]

It's all speculation anyway...

Still, Iowas had far superior AA, longer operational range, electronic fire control, superior speed, and better secondary guns (5/38s), and could put more shells on her target from her primary weapon faster than the Yamato could.

[Bullettube]

I have this video on tape and it's great.  The fastest Iowa was the New Jersey which did a measured 33.3 knots, which for a ship displacing 58k tons is very fast! The main armor belt was 12.5" (inclined to equal 16") with 18 turret face and conning tower.

[BigUnitBeef]

Iowas had great armour 17.1". In the 80's they were clocked at 35kts. so great speed. They also have supirior radar. I'd put one of these two round per minute monsers against IJN YAMAOTO any day. They had range on their guns but you have to see what you are shooting at!

[HelpyouIcan]

The Japanese are out ally. Welcome aboard. Goodbye mothballs, hello Persian Gulf.

[davidmacewen]

I worked for the japanese on wall st for years. What's not to hate about those pricks. They're dumber than a pile of rocks with the smart ones taken out. If they're so smart why did we have to nuke them twice?

[creamofcardstv]

Hi, I like your video clip and have rated it as awesome. I've created a clip of a WW2 battleship trading card set. It is rumoured that Hitler purchased this set for his U-boat personnel.

[samfromportadown]

Why is it that the people who comment on US military videos to say anti-American things never present a reasoned argument, but *always* spew some childish "Amerika suxorz" type two-line diatribe, inevitably with atrocious spelling and grammar. Really says something about the intelligence of such people.

[teddy996]

Fact is, by the time the Iowas were sailing, their role had been relegated to fleet air defense and escort duty, as carriers were taking over the role of flagship. Yamato and Musashi failed in that role, and perished. Better than the Iowas in one role, perhaps, but a loser where it counted.

[BigUnitBeef]

I'd like to see the U.S. navy build a high-tech, Aegis equipped, new 5" secondary armament ladden Montana calss battleship. I can see it with a nuclear propultion system and using a sabbot shell for extened ranges. I believe this was tried once. I think it was in Paul Stillwells book about the Mighty Mo. (sabbots) I think a new view on battleships could bring new life to and help make the navy more versitile. A self sufficiant ship with ASW capabilities as well. Maybe it's just a pipe dream.

[manga12]

well they need not be quite as large, and the five inch rail guns they still plan on haveing them on ships but the rail gun technology has not progressed far enough to do it yet. but they could build the proposed trimarin hall leviathan class that they were proposeing as a new type of assult carrier

[manga12]

Yea whatever the bismark was no iowa class, it was built much earlier in the war then the iowa, look at the specs on the iowa class its the modern ones though but the speed is the same and the sixteen inch guns are still on there

The yamotto was indead a larger dreadnought battleship, but it was slower and speed can mean all the differance if you are trying to outflank your opponant and outrun their shells.

[ImperatorMortis]

That would depend. The range of Yamato's 18.1 inch gun way far longer than that of the Iowa's, and it was extremly accurate. Also, the Iowa's though fast, had virtually no armour, and since outflanking a battle ship is nigh impossible due to its turrets, the Iowas wouls have been in hot water.

[manga12]

I dont know how accurate they were but your right the range whould have been longer. However the iowa was no thin armored ship with nearly 2 feet of armor at the armored belt around it there is no modern ship with anywhere near that kind of dencity nowdays.

One can use other ships to lure the yamato in position and then hammer it with shells from many other battleships much like we did with the sherman tanks to the germans in ww2

[kbroma01]

Hot Water? All Iowa Class Battleships are still around. Where are the Yamato class ships?

[DarkArchon88]

Bismarck >> All.

[mastersteamtug]

The US can thank the British for transfer of knowledge, in the form of ASDIC, RADAR, and Jet Engine technology, lest their country be overun by the NAZI's, if it weren't for that many more SAVO ISLAND trajedies would have happened. The IJN were the best at NIGHTIME NAVAL gunnery and Torpedo attack throughout the war...( Flashless Powder, and better torpedoes... ) Radar was the only equalizer at long range, but in close quarters, once battle was commenced, the IJN was deadly.

[A350cid]

That rocks!!

[HaohmaruSempai]

in dont tell the US BB are bad, but yamato class are better (we talk about design)

yamato: more armor, more gun, more range= better

super yamato: more armor, more gun, more range! = better better..!!

if you dont believe me, play navyfield.

[kbroma01]

Reality is Yamato is still dead found below the murky pacific waters with the Bow Crest of Japan reflecting defeat by the U.S. Where was the Japanese Air Force or Navy to protect the Yamato from U.S. air attacks? Check out the History Channel and watch the special on historical ratings of Battleships. The Yamato wasn't #1. As for playing navyfield, you go ahead and play your fantasy games. Can I e-mail you some pictures of the dead Yamato?

[nipponbean]

the yamato and musashi made little, if any, contribution to the war. yamato was actually referred to as the "hotel yamato" because she stayed in port during most of the war. neither of the two ships in the class ever engaged an allied battleship and saw little action. both were sunk by air attack, musashi at leyte gulf, and yamato when she went on a suicide mission at the end of the war.

[Propelled]

There's a large piece of the Yamato's armored belt on display that was devastatingly punctured by a 16" armor piercing round during testing after the war. The Iowa class was faster and could control the battle. The Yamato would NOT have defeated an Iowa class dreadnaught. The Iowa class's radar was superior for targeting. ROF Yamato oneperminute, Iowa twoperminute. The Yamato's armor was inferior,it was brittle and this was proved out in testing.

Fantasize your heart out.

[japantruther]

haosenpai- "if you dont believe me, play navyfield."

OMG! Now you are bringing in your otaku geek gaming crap into the argument?! You are lame boy, VERY lame. Keep on fanticizing there lil' feller, because that's all you and the many j-geeks like you have, your little fantasies to keep you warm, comfy and cozy when dealing with the reality of the world. BTW the Yamato is DEAD in the water.

[BigUnitBeef]

Isoruku Yamamoto was quoted as saying "I'd rather have the steel for 6 Aircraft carriers." Because that is how much steel was wasted on these two piles of dung called YAMATO and MUSASHI.

[heymisterderp]

And the Iowas are some badazz ships, obviously.

[heymisterderp]

Yamato could have easily sported gunnery radar the equivalent of the Iowas. The Iowas couldn't up-arm to 18.1" guns. Yamato was the far superior ship in terms of its latent potential. Iowa had superior gunnery radar, but its better icing doesn't mean its the better cake. A super-heavy shell for the 18" guns, should one have been developed, which is easily plausible, would have made Yamato's firepower far beyond any other battleship.

[kbroma01]

Yes, the Yamato could have been better with bigger shells, but The U.S. was already building the next Battleship class "Kentucky: to deal the big Battleships such as the Yamato and Musashi

[HaohmaruSempai]

and japan is building super yamato class..

same scenario..

the limitation in armor for USA bs..is the panama canal.. japan have no limits in size and armor..

[kbroma01]

Google Wreck of Yamato. You will see what happened to it. Yamato is under the water and all four Iowa class battleships are above water. As for the Panama Canal, it is being widened quite soon, so we won't be as limited by "limit size". Last time I checked, Japan is our ally.

[HaohmaruSempai]

... yamato attackedd by planes..

... USA BB.. all time farrr awaaayyyy of importants battles, and now.. retired.. a good ship retired???

the yamato sink fighting like a samurai, USA BB live running like a chiken.

yamato shells less acurrate but more powerful and range

[seanboud]

The USS Tennessee, USS West Virginia, USS Maryland, USS North Carolina and USS Washington all engaged IJN capital ships in WW2, and in every case the IJN Battleships and Battlecruisers were sent to the bottom. Cruisers and destroyers escorting them shared their fates.

Read a book. Better yet ask the survivors of the IJN Kirishima, IJN Fuso IJN Yamashiro who won those contests, if you can find one.

[japantruther]

kbroma- "Last time I checked, Japan is our ally."

Officially and on papper and according to some in the political arena but if the American public knew the real story I gurantee they wouldn't be buying japanese autos or elecrtonics or steel or what have you. Guarantee it. Why Washington panders to Tokyo boggles the mind.

[kbroma01]

This is a difficult one to respond to because even America wasn't the nicest to people from Hawaii or American Indians. I do agree that Japan needs to be more proactive with apologizing for what is did as a country to other countries in the World. We have a World economy that runs through all of us.

[japantruther]

kbroma- Not only should japan apologize to the many countries is assaulted it should apologize to its minorities. The Ainu, the Okinawans, the Koreans, the Chinese, the Burokumin. japan's way of dealing with its atrocious issues is by pointing their fingers at other countries who have similar issues. The difference is that normal nations deal with their problems, japan just points their fingers and does notihng about their problems.

[Lumotaku]

The iowa class were the ultimate battleships the yamato class were bigger but far worse sea boats and they wouldnt have been able to slug it out with the iowas because they lacked electronic gunnery.

[mastersteamtug]

The IJN was the supreme masters of NAVAL NIGHTIME GUNNERY in the Pacific. Just ask a "Shitty Dick"

[kbroma01]

Yes, In 1942 they were the best, but lost that position to the U.S.

[maria8852]

But the yamato isnt as accurate as the Iowa Class battleship, i.e. USS wisconsin.

[cjmahoney]

obviously - especially considering it sits at the bottom of the ocean.

[Texan09]

I can't believe that our navy isn't using the Iowa Class battleships.

[bdtomcat]

like i said..it's not the guns..it's the crew

[HaohmaruSempai]

its the scenario.

iowa can resist against the same attack of planes like yamato do for 2 hours?

[japantruther]

We'll never know. It was sunk as soon as it was put into service.

[HaohmaruSempai]

BAH...

the yamato 18' are more powerful.

america weak :)

[chusma48]

And? Where is the Yamato now.

[kbroma01]

Yamato is dead. All Iowa Class Ships are still alive

[HaohmaruSempai]

the iowa run out of yamato class. iowa never fight yamato class. iowa class are "chicken" class.

yamato fight 400 usa planes, torpedoes, bombers, fighters..

where are the hero, where are the glory...

yamato rulz.

[kbroma01]

Ok look at it from a different angle. Other Japanese Battleships like the Kurishima was killed by American Battleships like the South Dakota and Washington. Yamato Class died before the Iowa Class arrived in the Pacific. Yamato is still dead. Not one Japapanes Battleship won against an American Battleship. Did you know that not every Japanese Battleship was even made by Japan? Some were from England.

[mastersteamtug]

"Shitty Dick" as the Members of the USS Washington called Her, ran away, and left Her compatriots on the Washington to fend for themeselves...

[BigUnitBeef]

It's such narrow minds like yours why Japan lost and America won. I say again. No radar. No way to spot with turd spot planes that could easily be spanked by 5" flak guns and 40mm AA. Also, "brain", there is such a thing as shell frontal density. The 16" shell had it and the 18.1" did not. Though it had range it depended on on it's gerth to slam through armor. Besides that, I belive that the 18.1 inch was a 45 cal gun. Also there was a sub atomic shell made for the 16 inch gun.

[jboshk65]

American firepower was more accurate. Yamato or Musashi would have lost.

[ImperatorMortis]

The Yamatos could have hit the Iowas before they could even see them. The 18.1 ich 50 calibre navel gun could hit over the horizon. The 16 inch would never have had a chance.

[BigUnitBeef]

With the poor state of the IJN's radar situation. I doubt that highly from a battleship standpoint. They'd need a spotter and I don't see any Jap. planes getting neat the Iowas without getting some serious AA.

[ImperatorMortis]

However, any nighttime action would have resulted in the squashing of the Iowas, mostly due to the expertise of the Japanese. Spotter planes launched from the Yamato could have flied over the Iowas, in the cover of darkness and sent the cooordinates to the Yamato, which was sailing just over the horizon. Then, the 18.1 inch guns would have opened fire, taking the Americans by surprise,and sending the Iowas to a watery grave.

[penjo]

...and radar in this situation?

[kbroma01]

What?? The Japanese lost their nighttime expertise after 1942. Not one American Battleship was lost to Japanese planes or ships. The only graves are those of the Kirishima, Yamato, Musashi, and a couple more.

[japantruther]

Rigormortis- Ah, speculation, speculation, speculation. Hind sight is just that, it leave you looking at your ass. Anyhoo, Yamato dead in the water. Iowas still sailing.

[kbroma01]

Ritht!!! Who needs a 16 inch calibre gun to go after the Yamato when you have American Airpower. I think if I'm not mistaken, they put the Yamato down. The Yamato also didn't have a full crew or full tank of fuel limiting it to manuever against American guns. Distance of the gun doesn't always mean winning the battle. Optical precision, Radar, and well trained men wins against 18.1 inch guns.

[HaohmaruSempai]

we talk about battleships not air forces.

in a battle, yamato wins iowa.

and, america its coward: nuke civilians to win a war?

[kbroma01]

Haohmaru, I think it is referred to as "Get er done"!!Shall I send you color pictures of where the Yamato currently is resting? Iowa class ships above water, Yamato class ships below water. I know, Japan should have made the Yamato and Musashi both submarines to start with!

[HaohmaruSempai]

read and you understand, i talk about who its better, no how dies or fight.

yamato and mushashi fight against hundreds of planes, you now about obbsolecense of bbattleship against aircarriers.

[BigUnitBeef]

Nuke Cuvilians? You were all in the same basket. All fanatics. Like the samuri you would have all fought to the death. Your people attack without warning! Not face to face! You are the coward!

[HaohmaruSempai]

Japan attack a militar base, not civilians.

japan made a Act of war. Not a Crime War.

[japantruther]

HaoSenpai- Did you say japan didn't attack civilians? Are you a comedian or what? I wouldn't be surprised if you've never heard of NANKING since you went through the japanese "education" system. You know, the murder and rape of NANKING where many tens of thousands of Chinese were systematically raped and murdered by your forefathers for days on end. Not attack civilians my ass. Have you people no shame?

[davidmacewen]

Go fuck yourself! This is the only diplomacy the world has ever known. The difference is we never enslaved the losers.

[japantruther]

David- Yes, that is very true. The losers such as japan just cannot appreciate that they have never been enslaved.

[BigUnitBeef]

It is how we say in America "You made your own bed, so lay in it!" Battleships, aircraft, guns, you had nothing!

[japantruther]

Haosenpai- I bet you were never ever taught that japan had its own little nifty atomic research weapons program going did you? I would hate to guess what japan would have done with its atomic weapons had japan developed them first. As you japanese like to tell the Chinese and Koreans..."Get over it. That was 60 years ago."

[seanboud]

Incorrect.

And yes, to save the estimated 1.4 MILLION casualties for the Allies and 10 MILLION estimated Japanese casualties to invade the home islands, yes, 100,000 civilians are a solid trade.

Read on the rape of Nanking, where your Japanese Army murdered 300,000 civilians with gunfire, bayonets and swords, just to show they could.

Your "honor" needs some polishing.

[seanboud]

Incorrect. Read a book.

-10 years as a gunfire Firecontrolman in the USN.

[seanboud]

The IJN Leadership was weak. Sending those sailors on a suicide run where they could not even APPROACH the enemy fleet to engage without being destroyed from the air is criminal. No matter the weapon, the leadership can sabotage it. I spent a decade in the USN and I can speak from experience.

[ServerMechanic]

That's freaking awesome. :)

[dahzedichriste]

:O !!!!!!!!!! Proud to be an American.

[HaohmaruSempai]

proud of what???

proud of be a mind slave?

proud of have a dictator and crazy "president" Bush?

proud of lies about 9/11

proud of be an invasor and children killer in Irak?

Proud?

[BigUnitBeef]

Japan shouldn't be saying anything about being "mind slaves". I'm a firefighter so I piss all over your 9/11 lies blog. 343 of my brothers died in that lie. And we don't kill children but the Japs did kill murder and torcher in NAN-KING! And don't forget about the BATAAN DEATH MARCH! We went easy on you guys after the war!

[BigUnitBeef]

We should have left your country a wasteland but we rebuilt it! New mills and factories! To show your grattitude you buy ours out from under us! You are a dishonorable people!

[HaohmaruSempai]

one word: guilty

[japantruther]

Guilty of what? Or are japanese permanently the victim?

[japantruther]

you disrespectful japanese. Too bad you and the many like you can't appreciate what was done for you and is being done now. If I were you, I'd put a sock in it real quick and keep it there.

[japantruther]

haosenpai- Mind slave? A japanese national calling other people mind slaves? What is this world coming to? Sorry, but until people from your tribe are able to think outside the box and or horizontially vs. vertically then the international community might listen to you but until that time you are looking in the mirror when you make accusations like that.

[Dajinx1979]

I wouldnt want to see one of these on the open sea!!!!