Glad you like the end result of the Knockout Artist. The performance is really the main focus of my Art and the painting that gets produced is Art, but more of a by product of that performance. So yes it is important to see the process and I usually show a video next to the painting when the performance not available.
I certainly agree that the performance is the art.
The production of the painting is more of a like album cover or snap shot than actually art itself. It should serve to remember and separate each performance, but is not itself intrinsically the art being made here.
i agree. i wouldn't call this art. its just a poor guy hurting himself for the attention of others. If he was in it for art and he wanted to do some type of splatter art then he doesn't have to create something that punches him 30,ooo times.
Kutiegirl8...why is this not Art? I wanted to express the abusive nature of creating Art...and Abstract Action Painting, "splatter Art," was just a vehicle...not the goal, nor the real Art. I make performance Art.
Soundrone...why is this not Art? Art is reflective of life and don't we live in a culture of violence and war? All art can't be just beautiful...otherwise Art would be limited to talking about just beautiful things. How else would an artist bring attention to the ugly abusiveness of making Art without creating a piece of art that does just that? The pretty picture doesn't get the point across here.
Also, keep in mind that this is performance Art and the painting is more prop than Art.
warrensredbarred...The ring movement is a metaphor...simulating the ups and downs of the internal & external conflicts / problems that occur during the act of creation.
A public masochist? Seriously. His art reflects his brain damage. Simply no respect for the human brain. That's okay though. Less competition for me (not there seems to be much local or international competition in the way of intelligence).
If it was akin to Jackass, he'd be sitting in a shopping cart with a sponge dripping with paint taped to the front going 10mph down a steep hill towards a canvas. NOW we're talking about getting "into" your art!
The problem with artists like this is they say things like "an homage and a mockery." Are you pointing out that this is garbage I could make with a running fan and a tube of oil paint, or are you a deep, suffering individual expressing his soul's torment in an homage to the other abstract "painters" ? You yourself don't even know, which should be clue #1 that what your doing is playing with a toy that gets paint on a canvas, not painting.
redraevyn...By making a piece that stylistically revolves around Abstract Action Painting, I am paying an homage to that style, but it is sarcastically very tongue and cheek and I have turned it upside down, which pokes fun at and mocks Abstract Action Painting.
One last thing...then I'll disappear...Maybe your Knockout Artist performance would be more effective, if you looked like you yourself are taking your sh!t seriously. You have a sh!t eating grin through the whole video, so you yourself betray your own message of suffering. I find it trivializes art, the idea of the suffering artist, and because I'm a kickboxer also...boxing. However, I thnk it's good that you're getting your stuff out there. Keep pluggin away...and good luck in the future;)
The beauty of Warhol's art is not that he made art less unique(that would be the very shallow way of looking at it)but that he widened the possibilities, and shifted its focus somewhat. He made "art" dynamic...made it buzz. Do you seriously think that the end all of Warhol's art is in a soup can? (I'm not being literal BTW) You take everything you read at face value...Jeezzzz...
ThanctyN...I thought in this thread we were talking about Art itself? Andy Warhol did many things, but one of his main contributions was introducing "The Factory" and mass produced Art. Pop Art in general pushed the idea of mass production and modern technology in Art...which denies rarity.
Blahblahblah...you know it's pretty sad when you have to use someone else's merits to argue for your lack of talent. Look I just don't want to have to keep going back and forth between various names and dates you're pulling outta your ass and Wiki/ google. Warhol was already established and his talents noted before he started fucking with the masses.
I'm sorry if you think Art History is blahblahblah...or that it's "sad" that I mention Art precedents that refute what you're saying. The History of Art revolves around comparison and contextualizing of Art in terms of previous eras in Art?
Give the boxer the cheap gloves, dip the gloves in paint, & have him beat the crap outta you in the boxing bag for a 3 min round. While he's workin you over, yell "Art is glorious! I'd die for this sh!t!" You can have LilCloudy videotape the "performance", on one of those black & white grainy effects. Display your art like this: Have the 3 min video play in endless loop on a flat screen TV, with you all blue and purple in a wheel chair on one side & the stuffed heavybag on the other.
This doesn't seem like constructive criticism...sounds more like an idea for an art piece...go ahead knock yourself out!
If you want to talk real brutality...check out Hermann Nitsch...if you want to talk paint laden boxing gloves check out Ushio Shinohara...I could play this game forever and it not because I need to drop names to feel sophisticated...its because I know my sh#t!
OK...my bad...you know your sh!t...about other people's work...doesn't make what you do any more effective. Oh & you missed DuChamps message if all you got out of it was if an artist calls something art then it is...It takes an "artist" to see the quiet dignity and profound beauty in found objects. It takes true sacrifice, to achieve this enlightened state, if you are not a freakish prodigy. Most don't get there, & they shouldn't. Art is supposed to be rare.Quit reading and start thinking!
ThantcyN...so I suppose Andy Warhol wasn't artist then...as you probably know his work and Pop Art in general was about mass consumerism and the un-uniqueness in Art...Art no longer had to be made directly by the Artist (like DuChamp) nor did it have to be unique or rare or only attainable by the elite, which was poised as a reaction to critic Clement Greenberg and the "High Art" of Abstract artists.
Oh...and just to show that I'm all for constructive criticism I'll give you some advise to hit home your message of the suffering artist: You can go to your local boxing gym with some buckets of paint, a cheap pair of boxing gloves, and an unstuffed punchingbag. Ask a random boxer to help you out. Get yourself in the boxing heavybag, hang the bag from the ceiling.
sorry - I am sure a lot of effort went into this set up and that there are a bunch of people saying 'how creative' - but all I could think was - I guess the MACHINE is neat - but no artist -
christoferL...not sure what your point is. This is performance Art...which is the real Art...not the painting which is more of a prop then Art.
Theoretically, just for arguments sake...why can't the machine make Art? People use other machines to make Art: cameras, computers, lathes, MIG welders, CNC machines, etc.
Forgive me - but as an artist with God given talent - I disagree with you - I do not think this is art at all. But hey -defend it all you can - enjoy it for what its worth - and celebrate the moments with those who think it is art - I didn't really mean to offend you.
there's a difference between doing something different your "passionate" about like Yves Klein, and then doing something different for the sake of being different, unfortunatly almost all neo-conceptual seems to do this, and there is a neech group of people who suport/feed this neo-conceptual art. it's kind of like people who like polly shore films, they are horrable films but a few people like them and somehow more keep getting made.
imcanadianeh...I really never set out to do something different...it just evolved from what I was working on at the time, being influenced by the artists around me at the time, Art History classes, and critical discussions that I was having with my professors some 10 years ago.
Sure the Art world is small, but the general public and even other professional artists hated Van Gogh's and Monet's work at the time...funny thing is the general public accepts and loves there work now. They were the neo-artists of their era and their work was just as rule breaking and grotesque as mine is to you today.
Jackson Pollock and other Abstract Artists were also considered barbaric by the public and some art professionals 70 years ago...now you see there work in corporate lobbies, major museums placed next to Van Goghs and Monets, selling for millions of dollars at Sotheby's, and little old ladies are copying their work and selling it at craft fairs.
that post was supposed to go on someone else's idea not yours why it ended up here im not sure, but let me make myself clear, i am on no ones side i said earlier that i am not a fan of action painters but if Jack can do it so can Abe and i'd appreciate you release your sarcasm elsewhere. I have not said anything to demean anyones character and i would appreciate it if you wouldn't demean mine
i didnt mean to hurt ur feelings. I just think art is so many other things than being punched in the head. Becareful though u might knock urself so stupid that u wont be able to think up something else.
This is the worst idea ever, i hope that if this dude makes a dollar from him the IRS takes it back for his tax right offs for a spring loaded arm puncher.
It's nice how my comment are getting spammed negative, not because they are necessarily wrong or don't make sense, but because someone doesn't agree with me. Comments that are well thought out and push boundaries and make insightful conclusions shouldn't be given the title "poor comment", but whatever. To each his own.
Lastly, I'd like to point out that what English and Art both have in common nowadays is that they have yet to produce a single scrap of useful knowledge for the general public, nor has their efforts done anything for anyone but make them money for absolutely no effort or skill. Great job on hooking in people that are too stupid or lost in fantasies to realize how much of a waste of time this is.
HeyltzMeDawg...what have Art and English/novels done for anyone...perhaps you are forgetting the simplest thing...Entertainment.
No effort or skill...hmmm...sounds like someone got schooled by there professor. Can you weld a nice bead...one that can hold a ½ ton construction up and then trust your life on it? Effort...I am sure it takes no effort whatsoever to write and publish a 1000 page novel nor does it take any skill (sarcasm)...your spiraling out of common sense!
Sorry, I was referring to general contemporary art and recent literary theories. You might have missed the "nowadays" in there.
Anyways, entertainment is key here, I agree. It takes skill/effort to write a complex, deep, entertaining novel, or paint a beautiful masterpiece. What is NOT difficult, skillful, or effort-requiring is pulling a bunch of crackpot theories out of your behind like literary theorists nowadays, getting punched in the face, or throwing paint on a sheet of paper.
Getting punched in the face is the easiest part...building all the mechanical parts, working within the context of a specific art form, Abstract Action Painting, while adopting and converting there rhetoric, philosophy, and physical characteristics into a punching machine and knowing my place in Art History is very skillful and required great effort and knowledge...and now I face with pose and dignity the criticism...this is one of the subjects in the knockout Artist.
Alright, I'll admit that building a contraption to punch you in the face requires skill and effort, but I'm more so referring to artistic skill rather than mechanical skill. Mechanical skills ARE USEFUL, and the effort you put into creating something can be applied in other things (like this "art" for example).
I'm not so much arguing against this specific piece of art, so much as arguing against the genre itself. There are no arguments I can make against this while not addressing the genre.
"adopting and converting there rhetoric, philosophy, and physical characteristics into a punching machine"
These kinds of statements are exactly what I argue against. Saying you converted rhetoric and philosophy into a punching machine is called "pulling stuff out of your rear end". Exactly what did you place inside that punching machine? I distinctly recall you saying/writing you decided on which brush to use based on how you got hit (or something along that lines). BULL.
Adopted rhetoric and philosophy which was converted into mechanical motion:
The important aspects that defined Abstract Action Painting varied from artist to artist were: gestures or marks, rate and speed, flatness vs. thickness, time limits (years vs. seconds), and emotion.
How: different gesture or marks were created by making dozens of different contraption like brushes like X marks the spot, finger painting brushes, rope whit it, dashed line, etc.
Rate and speed was manipulated by using different combinations of springs, which I entitled heavy weight, middle weight, and light weight thereby weaving in boxing terminology.
Flatness vs thickness was manipulated by allowing both vertical travel and horizontal travel of the punch...meaning I could somewhat control where the punch and brush were going to strike so that I could layer the paint heavily in one area.
Time limit was a fixed item as I chose to adopt the 3 minute rounds of boxing.
The knockout Artist also has a distinct upward flick of the brush when the uppercut is employed (very Jackson Pollock) versus the direct Jab and there were turnbuckle adjustments which allowed an infinite number of adjustments.
Again. I'm missing the philosophy and rhetoric; all I see is a bunch of metaphors and similarities between boxing and AAP. So you took things that varied between Abstract Action artists (like speed, thickness of strokes, and whatnot) and made your punching contraption do the same. That has NOTHING to do with persuasion (rhetoric) or reasoned arguments about life (philosophy in a nutshell), unless I am sorely mistaken about the definition of the two.
The philosophy and rhetoric of Abstraction Action Painting: It was all about the Act of painting, paint, and the emotion of the artist in the immediate...it was purged of all subjective meaning and representative imagery. So, if you can't see how I applied that to make a mechanical punching machine then I can't help you.
Like I said...putting together specifics parts of Art History, weaving them into my own creation, creating metaphors that communicate without words to other artists requires great skill. Perhaps it's because you haven't undergone a rigorous Art program that the work doesn't resonate for you, but I know that I have skills to pay the bills when other artists tell me the work speaks to them...and they get it without being told.
Fine. Take your USELESS "Art History" (like you even used history, apart from Abstract Action Painting), your completely USELESS metaphors that benefit no one and are completely obvious, and your rigorous "art program", and shove it BACK UP your rear end. The key thing is that your work only resonated with other BRAINWASHED NEO-contemporary artists; artists of the past had works that spoke to the public, and that was what was important to them. I "get" it, thanks. I just think it's stupid.
It's entertaining to some, therapeutic to some, mechanically interesting to some, intellectually stimulating to some...it's not for everyone...I make my work for Artists...the subject of my Art is Art itself.
To who? Everyone there just wanted to see you punched, apart from the contemporary artists. ALL art like this is for artists. Who else would enjoy it but the select few who actually think its worthwhile by ANY stretch of the imagination? You guys are feeding off yourselves, deluding yourselves that your art is "entertaining", "therapeutic", "interesting", or "intellectually stimulating" rather than appealing to those who matter, that is, "EVERYONE" (as you so aptly stated) but you.
art can be whatever you want it to be it's not all made to fit your stupid needs and rules and you're a dumb asshole that knows nothing about art, HeyItzMeFag. Just because you dont like doesn't mean you need to get in a big pussy bitching nag session about it, asshole.
The artists delude themselves that people who speak out must be stupid/uneducated, because its "all about the process", or "artists do this for the joy of creating art", or "they don't understand the point of this art". Again, stupid English literary criticism and whatnot at work here. Fine, create your art, but don't expect any sane person that's not a mindless slave of contemporary art to agree with you, buy your art, or proclaim your greatness to the heavens, or whatever else you want.
HeyltzMeDawg...well at least you can put some words and thoughts together unlike most of the comments...however, you have nihilistic view of metaphor and probably symbolism...look around you its everywhere, you can't escape it, and if does affect everyone everyday.
Well, thanks for the complements. But you see, the term nihilism was defined by a philosopher by the name of Neitzsche, and, as you may already know, I am vehemently against crackpots who make up words and try to pass off their overly complex theories or pointless conclusions to the general public, expecting some kind of award. Then again, I'm not sure you used the word right. I always thought Nihilism was a belief in the nonexistance of truth. Isn't Modern art said to be nihilistic? W/e.
Sorry, grabbed an old school textbook, and I see the definition now. You are using it as a synonym for rationalism, in that I am rationalizing metaphors and symbolism. Whatever.
Artists who appreciate or create these kinds of artistic displays try to delude themselves that its all about the journey, that its not the painting, but the process it took to get there. That's all fine and dandy, but nobody will appreciate the fact that I spend years trying to blow farts in order to create a painting made entirely out of blowing farts at paint to spread it around. It may be cool, but nobody but mindless sheep or other deluded artists will find any kind of value in it.
I'm criticizing performance art with my statements, which should be obvious even though I don't mention it by name. The performance is fine; getting punched in the face while painting something is definitely something I'd pay to watch. But trying to pass this off as art...? No. It's not. Stop listening to stupid philosophers who tell you that "art is art if the artist says it is art", and that type of garbage.
HeyltzMeDawg...your fighting a 1000's years of Art History...not a couple philosophers...it is a mute point...Artists make Art...the only relevant point is whether or not the work succeeds. When does a rose stop being a rose?
But, what are you trying to succeed AT is the question. What ARE you trying to succeed at with this demonstration? I AM curious, indeed.
How am I fighting 1000 years of art? I'm fighting contemporary art and modern art here. There's nothing wrong with painting a pretty picture. And I'm not fighting a couple philosophers; more like a couple hundred that want to pass themselves off as intelligent.
When does a rose stop being a rose? When I kill it? Then it's a dead rose. Happy? Sigh...
hahaha...that's comedy...kill the rose...a dead rose is still a rose.
I am debating something...not sure what my intention is anymore...entertainment...gotten way off topic.
I said a 1000 years of Art History...which is a continuum that has progressed and built upon the past from the cave drawings to great masters to Modern Art to Postmodern Art. Each group broke or manipulated the rules of the previous, so if you're fighting the last incarnation you are fighting the sum of the whole.
Your logic is terrible. I could say your face is ugly because it has recently grown pimples (for example) but I'm not saying you were ugly before, am I? Whatever. I decide who I am fighting against, thanks; your sort of broken logic is common among the wannabe modern philosophers that I despise. I am fighting against a SPECIFIC era or genre of art for SPECIFIC reasons that don't include past genres. How could I be fighting the whole? I am criticizing the changes, not the whole.
Anyways, I have better things to do than sit here and argue against the brainwashed masses who have accepted these changes and have converted to the useless philosopher ideology. Perhaps I could take a leaf out of their book and write a useless novel about how idiotic these people can be? Anyways...
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming;"
continues "but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
For some reason, English professors have been deluding themselves that their great metaphorical and philosophical conclusions actually do anything for anybody, which, in 99% of the cases, they doesn't. Yet they've been able to parade around as though "The journey that this character goes through is metaphorical for blah" like a) It was difficult to completely pull out of their behinds in the first place, and b) It actually helps anyone on earth. Now this form of thought has infected art. Yay.
not bad for just finishing high school. it seems to me abe that you're fighting a losing battle. Whether people accept it or not shouldn't matter it's your creation and whether or not they acccept it is not the issue. A true artist does what he/she does for the love of doing it, not for money or "attention" but for release and for completely personal reasons. I remember watching a video and one artist was quoted saying "when people ask questions, your job is done",so abe i think your job is done
LilCloudy69...yes you must have had a progressive Art teacher. The negative comments don't bother me...though it is surprising to me how bent out of shape people get over the piece...however, I do feel the need to school people.
So, you get punched in the face for each paint-stroke that you make. Awesome. That's not symbolism so much as seeking attention. That's not "the process that artists go through to realize their vision" or whatever garbage you try to make it symbolize, its a painting made by a machine that also simultaneously punches someone in the face. Symbolism is for panzys or attention seeking prats who can't handle or accept reality.
honestly you probably could. A perfect example of one of the probably craziest art pieces out there, "The Fountain", i can't exactly remember it's creater but that's beyond the point. All it is is a urinal and it's been sold for millions, and has been replicated hundreds of times. I'm not exactly a fan of Action Paintings myself but if a man can stand over a huge piece of canvas and flick paint around, why can't a man get punched by a cartoon like boxing glove and create art as well?
LilCloudy69...good timing...someone got a good education! The creator of The Fountain was Marcel DuChamp in the Armory Show of 1912, which I just finished schooling ThantcyN on!
Here I was thinking I was gonna see some cool fight HL. First let me say I know a bit about fighting and art. I've been into various competitive martial arts for over 20 years, I have a degree in fine arts and creative writing, and have been featured in various art shows and readings. Jus because you put something "out there"... it doesn't become art. LOL at what you do equating to "suffering". The hardest part of your show was probably the drive to Home Depot...not hatin' jus sayin how I see it
ThantcyN...whether its art or not is a mute question...didn't you learn about Marcel DuChamp in undergrad?!? Either you slept through Art History class or you got educationally jipped. He is the grandfather of contemporary Art! If an artists declares something to be Art, then its Art...its not a relevant question anymore...what is relevant is the judgment call on whether the art succeeds or not.
LOL...didn't I learn about DuChamp? Gee..I dunno...did you learn about Picasso? If you are gonna start droppin names to feign sophistication, then try coming up wit a more obscure name. Dude I don't really care what you call art, or that you consider yourself an artist. I guess if you got art-giants like LilCloudy supporting you, YOU shouldn't get too bent out of shape. I jus call it like I see it...and if you don't want "haters" don't put your sh!t on youtube.
ThantcyN...who hasn't heard of Picasso? DuChamp is not known by the general public like Picasso, but there are whole courses dedicated to him in college...try opening up any basic survey of Modern American Art book and you will find DuChamp...he's not obscure if you went to school for Art. LilCloudy learned about him in High School...enough said.
I'm not bent out shape...I'm just not going to sit around and watch people leave ridiculous comments...especially from someone claiming to have a fine Arts degree!? If your going to call me out...expect a response...and if you can't handle it then don't comment to begin with.
Haters...All I'm asking is...drop the name calling, read a little, think a little, and make an intelligent response.
If you don't want obvious "ridiculous" comments, don't put out obviously rediculous material and call it art. YOU are the one implying that I don't know about DuChamp. LOL! Did you know why "the Fountain" work for DuChamp and your crap fails. Because he was ORIGINAL and PROVOKING. Even then it didn't work the way he planned. Your stuff however are laughable, and looking at the video, it doesn't even seem like you take youself seriously. Take criticism and grow from it...don't bash me for honesty
ThantcyN...really you need to read over DuChamp again...whether or not this is Art has been a mute point since 1912...the only relevant question is whether or not the Art succeeds. If you're going to make elementary mistakes then I will call you on it...sorry if it seems like I'm bashing you...seems like the pot is calling the kettle black here?!?
Errr...ok that went over your head...DuChamp IS known the "general public"...at least the public I choose to hang out with. I was being sarcastic, because you were saying if I've heard of him...who in the art world hasn't? Anyways...how do you like my version of the "knockout artist"? You could top it off by having the opening at the boxing gym,and have the boxer that beat the crap outta you come and talk sh!t about how stupid you are the whole time!That my friend is TRUE sacrifice for your art!
ThantcyN...well if you had heard of DuChamp then why would you even tell me that my piece is not Art? That was one of the major aspects of his work? Your statement seems even more ridiculous now!?!
I have an idea! How about someone peels out their truck on a big pile of pig crap and catches the splatter on canvas. We could call it something like "Get Out of Iraq Now!"
it's like my punching myself in the nuts and saying Gymnastics is a painful path to success that one must realize and actualize in life before one can understand it's true meaning and the Nut sack strike justifies and makes palpable the facts of athleticism. it's just talking B.S. I don't know why you're so driven to do it, probably for the money, I'm a Pencil artist, i feel nothing but joy when I create my art and see my visions come to life.
Vikingll...don't get me wrong...I love to finish a piece, but the journey can be extremely wearing and difficult. I don't imagine that you have worked 1000 hours on a single piece in a 3 month period with a deadline looming and your creditability on the line.
There is a big difference between making a pencil drawing over a couple evenings at your leisure and what I do, so I don't doubt that your process is very fulfilling and your results are pretty or cool to look at. I have no way of telling you how bad one gets torn apart in graduate Art school...I have seen some amazing pencil artists get shredded...its not just about technique.
you are telling everybody is that It's not about the Painting, or your suffering. that it's about the Process of suffering to create a piece of art work. Which disconnects this whole punching/paint process from the equation. Since you're not focused on the byproduct of you being punched in the face, or your own personal suffering, you're just beating yourself up while telling people making art hurts even though you're not making any.
Vikingll...you have mixed it all up...The real Art is the performance or process, the painting is a byproduct of the performance, but a recognizable symbol / prop of Art...I make "Art", notice the quotations, during the performance so I can critique the process of being an artist. The painting is metaphorically Art and the boxing ring is metaphorically the artist's studio.
The piece is about the abusiveness of Art making and you see that happen metaphorically during the performance. Many artists torment their bodies and minds to realize an artistic vision. I got burned, bruised, stabbed, sliced, cut, smashed, ridiculed, punched, criticized, and generally abused making the Knockout Artist.
Suffering / abuse is something that happens when you make big physical works, take conceptual risks, or when you stray from the same old safe Art that you're used to making.
wow, he could have done so much more with that matterial, time, energy, and drive; if only he had some intelligence too. I even feel like I wasted my time writing this.
thta's all right abe, the world criticized very harshly some of the world's greatest artists.Andy Warhol, Jack the Dripper, Picasso, they were bashed, and now they're the biggest names in the art world. I say ya'll need to stuy a bit of art history before ya'll start bashin his art
So whatever any "artist" produces should be called art? So if I took a piss on your shoe and called it performance art, you'd approve, since I have a fine arts degree? Whatever...
That is the laziest metaphor every. I don't care what you say, your art does not reflect any real struggle. When you view art that has been the result of hardship you can see it, in your case, you witness the lack of any real hardship in the creation and the art itself becomes your hardship you must endure, which is pathetic, and a valid reason for you to stay away from making "art."
Too much time on their hands making this. I suppose they don't need to work squatting somewhere, eating their own turds, talking non sensical drivvle. Interesting and progressive you say logitechstanton? You obviously suck a big one too. How about you jump behind that squeaky rickety contraption and cop one; better yet how about some engineering from a real industry and fire up a pnuematic ram and you can all stand in front of it. Torn limbs, blood and battered no-lifer bodies...now that's art.
this is gay he's not even doing art. standing behind a canvas while a punching apparatus hit's you in tha face and simultaneously splatters some paint on a canvas is not creating art. that's just moronic.
Doing something interesting and progressive like this has greater merits than painting a pretty picture of a mountain, which does nothing new, creative, or conceptually interesting.
logitechstanton...thanks for the support!!! I totally agree with you and frankly I would expect more from someone who calls themselves an artist, but I'm betting those "crafters" make like 1 or 2 small paintings a year, copy someone else's style to a T, and have no thought behind it whatsoever...connect the dots...anyone that puts there mind to it can do it...boring!
Those of you who are artists, and posting that you make "real" art and this is just garbage... where is this coming from? Who made you the authority on what is and is not art? Just because you don't like an art piece does that make it not art. There are plenty of styles and mediums of art that I, as an artist do not appreciate or understand as much as others, but I don't balk at it and totally dismiss it, that is completely ridiculous.
You make it seem as if creating your brand of "art" is the most difficult thing in the world. It does not take any skill to do what you do. I go through that during every wrestling practice. Yet you use it to create "art" which amounts to a few dashes and scribbles on a canvas. Spending hours to create something beautiful such a portrait or a landscape is a struggle but what you are doing is easy and what ends up on the canvas is ugly. Try something that really forces you to struggle and push.
sneekysneeky1010...1st, the real Art is the performance, the painting is a by product that is representative of Abstract Action Painting, and the piece is about the struggle to create Art.
2nd, I spent many months constructing the machine and making it all work, which was both a real struggle and very abusive...it was hardly easy nor could most people achieve what I did...lets not forget the originality of the idea nor the careful handling of Art History and metaphors, which is another skill.
I like the idea of following in Jack The Dripper's footsteps and putting your own twist on it. There's not a whole lot of artists that can do anything original any more, most of it's been done, Jack however didn't take a pounding to create his work so I'll give you a little more credit than he got, but in all fairness his works were bigger. The metaphor is so true as well! Art is a rather painful thing to create, not only physically but mentally as well. Keep it up!
What a fully fledged retarded idea.
Awezumi 6 months ago
lol i think this is the worst invention ever made , next to the melting umbrella
M055B0RG 11 months ago
gay
pie579 2 years ago
i appreciate this even if i'm not an artist. i mean, i'm not that creative but i do appreciate art.
jomag08 2 years ago
i honestly don't know why this video is only a 2 star.
BrendanPanFlautist 3 years ago
I like some of the completed work.
Is it important for someone viewing the final work to see how it was created?
zabezabe 3 years ago
Glad you like the end result of the Knockout Artist. The performance is really the main focus of my Art and the painting that gets produced is Art, but more of a by product of that performance. So yes it is important to see the process and I usually show a video next to the painting when the performance not available.
abeferraro 3 years ago
I certainly agree that the performance is the art.
The production of the painting is more of a like album cover or snap shot than actually art itself. It should serve to remember and separate each performance, but is not itself intrinsically the art being made here.
In my opinion at least.
NGCA 2 years ago
@abeferraro
id have been more satisfied if someone had got hurt
M055B0RG 11 months ago
the lady with the round numbers was a classy touch.
i love this.
KidArch 3 years ago
BEST IDEA EVER CONCEIVED BY AN ARTIST!
Seriously! :D
WeakArc 3 years ago 2
what the shit?!?
jermimar 3 years ago
what's that crap?...i think he is loosing time and caus of this, there'll be good probability to become famous for him...
gonzoGA 3 years ago
kind of stupid
bakedapplepie 3 years ago
yeah man
invectrum 3 years ago
Yeah, its pain! And its make money!
Just like in wars.
s0ek 3 years ago
Hm.. Kinda... Dunno..
I don't like it =/ But well, you can do what you want
Johnga2004 3 years ago 2
You took a risk posting it here. You'll recieve a LOT of criticism but it doesn't matter. Don't ignore them, but don't let them get to you.
silverhalo117 3 years ago 2
It looks cool, I dunno it just looks cool.
And I don't know how.. But I get it.
silverhalo117 3 years ago
making an art piece of an artists process of making art. which is painful?..
at least thats what i get of it..
nice job.
tipyko 3 years ago
stupid
urallwack 3 years ago
wtf did he paint??
Redneck3755 3 years ago
this is the greatest shit i ever seen
Samuelpeter1 3 years ago
I was waiting for him to get KO, but to no avail. :(
Magister899 3 years ago
wtf...hahahah
blasterball666 3 years ago
extremely pointless
dre4mfx 3 years ago
this is not art this is a visiual recording of brutal self inflicted beating.....sick twisted wanna ba artist
soundrone 3 years ago
i agree. i wouldn't call this art. its just a poor guy hurting himself for the attention of others. If he was in it for art and he wanted to do some type of splatter art then he doesn't have to create something that punches him 30,ooo times.
kutiegirl8 3 years ago
saddest 2 parts is that he actually thinks as himself as an artist but worse than that....people buy it!(I Guess)
soundrone 3 years ago
Kutiegirl8...why is this not Art? I wanted to express the abusive nature of creating Art...and Abstract Action Painting, "splatter Art," was just a vehicle...not the goal, nor the real Art. I make performance Art.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Soundrone...why is this not Art? Art is reflective of life and don't we live in a culture of violence and war? All art can't be just beautiful...otherwise Art would be limited to talking about just beautiful things. How else would an artist bring attention to the ugly abusiveness of making Art without creating a piece of art that does just that? The pretty picture doesn't get the point across here.
Also, keep in mind that this is performance Art and the painting is more prop than Art.
abeferraro 3 years ago
why is it up on a like see-saw thing?
Warrensredbarred 3 years ago 2
warrensredbarred...The ring movement is a metaphor...simulating the ups and downs of the internal & external conflicts / problems that occur during the act of creation.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Haha, this is cool
OdracirKill 3 years ago
weak.
chaosbrazil 3 years ago
the most pathetic artist i have ever seen
twinclowns 3 years ago
This is what happens when leftists try to "express themselves"...
0CheeseEgg0 3 years ago
A public masochist? Seriously. His art reflects his brain damage. Simply no respect for the human brain. That's okay though. Less competition for me (not there seems to be much local or international competition in the way of intelligence).
manictiger 3 years ago
i can see this getting really monotonous for the crowd...
but, it is pretty original and it seems like it's enjoyed.
melissa014 3 years ago
this was a waste of time
basskommette 3 years ago
If it was akin to Jackass, he'd be sitting in a shopping cart with a sponge dripping with paint taped to the front going 10mph down a steep hill towards a canvas. NOW we're talking about getting "into" your art!
5 stars.
rgm1984 3 years ago
indeed.
TheMattyBruv 3 years ago
The problem with artists like this is they say things like "an homage and a mockery." Are you pointing out that this is garbage I could make with a running fan and a tube of oil paint, or are you a deep, suffering individual expressing his soul's torment in an homage to the other abstract "painters" ? You yourself don't even know, which should be clue #1 that what your doing is playing with a toy that gets paint on a canvas, not painting.
redraevyn 3 years ago
redraevyn...By making a piece that stylistically revolves around Abstract Action Painting, I am paying an homage to that style, but it is sarcastically very tongue and cheek and I have turned it upside down, which pokes fun at and mocks Abstract Action Painting.
Once again...it's performance Art not painting.
abeferraro 3 years ago
One last thing...then I'll disappear...Maybe your Knockout Artist performance would be more effective, if you looked like you yourself are taking your sh!t seriously. You have a sh!t eating grin through the whole video, so you yourself betray your own message of suffering. I find it trivializes art, the idea of the suffering artist, and because I'm a kickboxer also...boxing. However, I thnk it's good that you're getting your stuff out there. Keep pluggin away...and good luck in the future;)
ThantcyN 3 years ago
Thanks for the critical discussion and good luck with your Art.
abeferraro 3 years ago
The beauty of Warhol's art is not that he made art less unique(that would be the very shallow way of looking at it)but that he widened the possibilities, and shifted its focus somewhat. He made "art" dynamic...made it buzz. Do you seriously think that the end all of Warhol's art is in a soup can? (I'm not being literal BTW) You take everything you read at face value...Jeezzzz...
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThanctyN...I thought in this thread we were talking about Art itself? Andy Warhol did many things, but one of his main contributions was introducing "The Factory" and mass produced Art. Pop Art in general pushed the idea of mass production and modern technology in Art...which denies rarity.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Blahblahblah...you know it's pretty sad when you have to use someone else's merits to argue for your lack of talent. Look I just don't want to have to keep going back and forth between various names and dates you're pulling outta your ass and Wiki/ google. Warhol was already established and his talents noted before he started fucking with the masses.
ThantcyN 3 years ago
I'm sorry if you think Art History is blahblahblah...or that it's "sad" that I mention Art precedents that refute what you're saying. The History of Art revolves around comparison and contextualizing of Art in terms of previous eras in Art?
abeferraro 3 years ago
Give the boxer the cheap gloves, dip the gloves in paint, & have him beat the crap outta you in the boxing bag for a 3 min round. While he's workin you over, yell "Art is glorious! I'd die for this sh!t!" You can have LilCloudy videotape the "performance", on one of those black & white grainy effects. Display your art like this: Have the 3 min video play in endless loop on a flat screen TV, with you all blue and purple in a wheel chair on one side & the stuffed heavybag on the other.
ThantcyN 3 years ago
This doesn't seem like constructive criticism...sounds more like an idea for an art piece...go ahead knock yourself out!
If you want to talk real brutality...check out Hermann Nitsch...if you want to talk paint laden boxing gloves check out Ushio Shinohara...I could play this game forever and it not because I need to drop names to feel sophisticated...its because I know my sh#t!
abeferraro 3 years ago
OK...my bad...you know your sh!t...about other people's work...doesn't make what you do any more effective. Oh & you missed DuChamps message if all you got out of it was if an artist calls something art then it is...It takes an "artist" to see the quiet dignity and profound beauty in found objects. It takes true sacrifice, to achieve this enlightened state, if you are not a freakish prodigy. Most don't get there, & they shouldn't. Art is supposed to be rare.Quit reading and start thinking!
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThantcyN...so I suppose Andy Warhol wasn't artist then...as you probably know his work and Pop Art in general was about mass consumerism and the un-uniqueness in Art...Art no longer had to be made directly by the Artist (like DuChamp) nor did it have to be unique or rare or only attainable by the elite, which was poised as a reaction to critic Clement Greenberg and the "High Art" of Abstract artists.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Pardon me...I meant mass production above and not mass consumerism...though consumerism was a related element to Any Warhol's work.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Oh...and just to show that I'm all for constructive criticism I'll give you some advise to hit home your message of the suffering artist: You can go to your local boxing gym with some buckets of paint, a cheap pair of boxing gloves, and an unstuffed punchingbag. Ask a random boxer to help you out. Get yourself in the boxing heavybag, hang the bag from the ceiling.
ThantcyN 3 years ago
Complex metaphors aside, this has a bit more in common with Jackass than I believe was intended.
unnamednewbie13 3 years ago
sorry - I am sure a lot of effort went into this set up and that there are a bunch of people saying 'how creative' - but all I could think was - I guess the MACHINE is neat - but no artist -
christoferL 3 years ago
christoferL...not sure what your point is. This is performance Art...which is the real Art...not the painting which is more of a prop then Art.
Theoretically, just for arguments sake...why can't the machine make Art? People use other machines to make Art: cameras, computers, lathes, MIG welders, CNC machines, etc.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Forgive me - but as an artist with God given talent - I disagree with you - I do not think this is art at all. But hey -defend it all you can - enjoy it for what its worth - and celebrate the moments with those who think it is art - I didn't really mean to offend you.
christoferL 3 years ago
crap
fecoki 3 years ago
Stupid..and someone has wayyy too much time on their hands...Get a job!!
moyerjr 3 years ago
all i can say is gay.
Xtremeninja1 3 years ago
there's a difference between doing something different your "passionate" about like Yves Klein, and then doing something different for the sake of being different, unfortunatly almost all neo-conceptual seems to do this, and there is a neech group of people who suport/feed this neo-conceptual art. it's kind of like people who like polly shore films, they are horrable films but a few people like them and somehow more keep getting made.
imcanadianeh 3 years ago
imcanadianeh...I really never set out to do something different...it just evolved from what I was working on at the time, being influenced by the artists around me at the time, Art History classes, and critical discussions that I was having with my professors some 10 years ago.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Sure the Art world is small, but the general public and even other professional artists hated Van Gogh's and Monet's work at the time...funny thing is the general public accepts and loves there work now. They were the neo-artists of their era and their work was just as rule breaking and grotesque as mine is to you today.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Jackson Pollock and other Abstract Artists were also considered barbaric by the public and some art professionals 70 years ago...now you see there work in corporate lobbies, major museums placed next to Van Goghs and Monets, selling for millions of dollars at Sotheby's, and little old ladies are copying their work and selling it at craft fairs.
abeferraro 3 years ago
heyitzmedawg quit spamming.
aperfectfailyour 3 years ago
spamming what?
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
I think it would be cool if u made a rube goldberg painting machine. So i u get a brain aneurysm from being socked to many times, thats ur next idea.
aperfectfailyour 3 years ago
hmm, that's actually not a bad idea.
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
Thanks...took me all of 30 sec. to come up with it...why don't you guys team up and run with it:)
ThantcyN 3 years ago
that post was supposed to go on someone else's idea not yours why it ended up here im not sure, but let me make myself clear, i am on no ones side i said earlier that i am not a fan of action painters but if Jack can do it so can Abe and i'd appreciate you release your sarcasm elsewhere. I have not said anything to demean anyones character and i would appreciate it if you wouldn't demean mine
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
i didnt mean to hurt ur feelings. I just think art is so many other things than being punched in the head. Becareful though u might knock urself so stupid that u wont be able to think up something else.
aperfectfailyour 3 years ago
This is the worst idea ever, i hope that if this dude makes a dollar from him the IRS takes it back for his tax right offs for a spring loaded arm puncher.
aperfectfailyour 3 years ago
It's nice how my comment are getting spammed negative, not because they are necessarily wrong or don't make sense, but because someone doesn't agree with me. Comments that are well thought out and push boundaries and make insightful conclusions shouldn't be given the title "poor comment", but whatever. To each his own.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Lastly, I'd like to point out that what English and Art both have in common nowadays is that they have yet to produce a single scrap of useful knowledge for the general public, nor has their efforts done anything for anyone but make them money for absolutely no effort or skill. Great job on hooking in people that are too stupid or lost in fantasies to realize how much of a waste of time this is.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
HeyltzMeDawg...what have Art and English/novels done for anyone...perhaps you are forgetting the simplest thing...Entertainment.
No effort or skill...hmmm...sounds like someone got schooled by there professor. Can you weld a nice bead...one that can hold a ½ ton construction up and then trust your life on it? Effort...I am sure it takes no effort whatsoever to write and publish a 1000 page novel nor does it take any skill (sarcasm)...your spiraling out of common sense!
abeferraro 3 years ago
Sorry, I was referring to general contemporary art and recent literary theories. You might have missed the "nowadays" in there.
Anyways, entertainment is key here, I agree. It takes skill/effort to write a complex, deep, entertaining novel, or paint a beautiful masterpiece. What is NOT difficult, skillful, or effort-requiring is pulling a bunch of crackpot theories out of your behind like literary theorists nowadays, getting punched in the face, or throwing paint on a sheet of paper.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Getting punched in the face is the easiest part...building all the mechanical parts, working within the context of a specific art form, Abstract Action Painting, while adopting and converting there rhetoric, philosophy, and physical characteristics into a punching machine and knowing my place in Art History is very skillful and required great effort and knowledge...and now I face with pose and dignity the criticism...this is one of the subjects in the knockout Artist.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Alright, I'll admit that building a contraption to punch you in the face requires skill and effort, but I'm more so referring to artistic skill rather than mechanical skill. Mechanical skills ARE USEFUL, and the effort you put into creating something can be applied in other things (like this "art" for example).
I'm not so much arguing against this specific piece of art, so much as arguing against the genre itself. There are no arguments I can make against this while not addressing the genre.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
"adopting and converting there rhetoric, philosophy, and physical characteristics into a punching machine"
These kinds of statements are exactly what I argue against. Saying you converted rhetoric and philosophy into a punching machine is called "pulling stuff out of your rear end". Exactly what did you place inside that punching machine? I distinctly recall you saying/writing you decided on which brush to use based on how you got hit (or something along that lines). BULL.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Adopted rhetoric and philosophy which was converted into mechanical motion:
The important aspects that defined Abstract Action Painting varied from artist to artist were: gestures or marks, rate and speed, flatness vs. thickness, time limits (years vs. seconds), and emotion.
How: different gesture or marks were created by making dozens of different contraption like brushes like X marks the spot, finger painting brushes, rope whit it, dashed line, etc.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Rate and speed was manipulated by using different combinations of springs, which I entitled heavy weight, middle weight, and light weight thereby weaving in boxing terminology.
Flatness vs thickness was manipulated by allowing both vertical travel and horizontal travel of the punch...meaning I could somewhat control where the punch and brush were going to strike so that I could layer the paint heavily in one area.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Time limit was a fixed item as I chose to adopt the 3 minute rounds of boxing.
The knockout Artist also has a distinct upward flick of the brush when the uppercut is employed (very Jackson Pollock) versus the direct Jab and there were turnbuckle adjustments which allowed an infinite number of adjustments.
Oh yea...skills to pay the bills!
abeferraro 3 years ago
Again. I'm missing the philosophy and rhetoric; all I see is a bunch of metaphors and similarities between boxing and AAP. So you took things that varied between Abstract Action artists (like speed, thickness of strokes, and whatnot) and made your punching contraption do the same. That has NOTHING to do with persuasion (rhetoric) or reasoned arguments about life (philosophy in a nutshell), unless I am sorely mistaken about the definition of the two.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
The philosophy and rhetoric of Abstraction Action Painting: It was all about the Act of painting, paint, and the emotion of the artist in the immediate...it was purged of all subjective meaning and representative imagery. So, if you can't see how I applied that to make a mechanical punching machine then I can't help you.
abeferraro 3 years ago
If you believe this crap you really don't have a clue to what those artists were about.
jdbohdan 3 years ago
Like I said...putting together specifics parts of Art History, weaving them into my own creation, creating metaphors that communicate without words to other artists requires great skill. Perhaps it's because you haven't undergone a rigorous Art program that the work doesn't resonate for you, but I know that I have skills to pay the bills when other artists tell me the work speaks to them...and they get it without being told.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Fine. Take your USELESS "Art History" (like you even used history, apart from Abstract Action Painting), your completely USELESS metaphors that benefit no one and are completely obvious, and your rigorous "art program", and shove it BACK UP your rear end. The key thing is that your work only resonated with other BRAINWASHED NEO-contemporary artists; artists of the past had works that spoke to the public, and that was what was important to them. I "get" it, thanks. I just think it's stupid.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Nor is it really that entertaining (except getting punched) or useful to anyone.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
It's entertaining to some, therapeutic to some, mechanically interesting to some, intellectually stimulating to some...it's not for everyone...I make my work for Artists...the subject of my Art is Art itself.
abeferraro 3 years ago
To who? Everyone there just wanted to see you punched, apart from the contemporary artists. ALL art like this is for artists. Who else would enjoy it but the select few who actually think its worthwhile by ANY stretch of the imagination? You guys are feeding off yourselves, deluding yourselves that your art is "entertaining", "therapeutic", "interesting", or "intellectually stimulating" rather than appealing to those who matter, that is, "EVERYONE" (as you so aptly stated) but you.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
art can be whatever you want it to be it's not all made to fit your stupid needs and rules and you're a dumb asshole that knows nothing about art, HeyItzMeFag. Just because you dont like doesn't mean you need to get in a big pussy bitching nag session about it, asshole.
dumdumdumbass 3 years ago 2
Who are you? Goodbye, thanks. Nice name, by the way. Suits you well.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
The artists delude themselves that people who speak out must be stupid/uneducated, because its "all about the process", or "artists do this for the joy of creating art", or "they don't understand the point of this art". Again, stupid English literary criticism and whatnot at work here. Fine, create your art, but don't expect any sane person that's not a mindless slave of contemporary art to agree with you, buy your art, or proclaim your greatness to the heavens, or whatever else you want.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
HeyltzMeDawg...well at least you can put some words and thoughts together unlike most of the comments...however, you have nihilistic view of metaphor and probably symbolism...look around you its everywhere, you can't escape it, and if does affect everyone everyday.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Well, thanks for the complements. But you see, the term nihilism was defined by a philosopher by the name of Neitzsche, and, as you may already know, I am vehemently against crackpots who make up words and try to pass off their overly complex theories or pointless conclusions to the general public, expecting some kind of award. Then again, I'm not sure you used the word right. I always thought Nihilism was a belief in the nonexistance of truth. Isn't Modern art said to be nihilistic? W/e.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Sorry, grabbed an old school textbook, and I see the definition now. You are using it as a synonym for rationalism, in that I am rationalizing metaphors and symbolism. Whatever.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
This is dumb.
Northernbaked 3 years ago
Artists who appreciate or create these kinds of artistic displays try to delude themselves that its all about the journey, that its not the painting, but the process it took to get there. That's all fine and dandy, but nobody will appreciate the fact that I spend years trying to blow farts in order to create a painting made entirely out of blowing farts at paint to spread it around. It may be cool, but nobody but mindless sheep or other deluded artists will find any kind of value in it.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
HeyltzMeDawg...apparently you haven't heard of performance Art. The painting doesn't get shown on it own.
abeferraro 3 years ago
I'm criticizing performance art with my statements, which should be obvious even though I don't mention it by name. The performance is fine; getting punched in the face while painting something is definitely something I'd pay to watch. But trying to pass this off as art...? No. It's not. Stop listening to stupid philosophers who tell you that "art is art if the artist says it is art", and that type of garbage.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
HeyltzMeDawg...your fighting a 1000's years of Art History...not a couple philosophers...it is a mute point...Artists make Art...the only relevant point is whether or not the work succeeds. When does a rose stop being a rose?
abeferraro 3 years ago
But, what are you trying to succeed AT is the question. What ARE you trying to succeed at with this demonstration? I AM curious, indeed.
How am I fighting 1000 years of art? I'm fighting contemporary art and modern art here. There's nothing wrong with painting a pretty picture. And I'm not fighting a couple philosophers; more like a couple hundred that want to pass themselves off as intelligent.
When does a rose stop being a rose? When I kill it? Then it's a dead rose. Happy? Sigh...
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
hahaha...that's comedy...kill the rose...a dead rose is still a rose.
I am debating something...not sure what my intention is anymore...entertainment...gotten way off topic.
I said a 1000 years of Art History...which is a continuum that has progressed and built upon the past from the cave drawings to great masters to Modern Art to Postmodern Art. Each group broke or manipulated the rules of the previous, so if you're fighting the last incarnation you are fighting the sum of the whole.
abeferraro 3 years ago
Your logic is terrible. I could say your face is ugly because it has recently grown pimples (for example) but I'm not saying you were ugly before, am I? Whatever. I decide who I am fighting against, thanks; your sort of broken logic is common among the wannabe modern philosophers that I despise. I am fighting against a SPECIFIC era or genre of art for SPECIFIC reasons that don't include past genres. How could I be fighting the whole? I am criticizing the changes, not the whole.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
Anyways, I have better things to do than sit here and argue against the brainwashed masses who have accepted these changes and have converted to the useless philosopher ideology. Perhaps I could take a leaf out of their book and write a useless novel about how idiotic these people can be? Anyways...
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming;"
abeferraro 3 years ago
continues "but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."
Theodore Roosevelt
"The Man in the Arena"
4/23/1910
abeferraro 3 years ago
For some reason, English professors have been deluding themselves that their great metaphorical and philosophical conclusions actually do anything for anybody, which, in 99% of the cases, they doesn't. Yet they've been able to parade around as though "The journey that this character goes through is metaphorical for blah" like a) It was difficult to completely pull out of their behinds in the first place, and b) It actually helps anyone on earth. Now this form of thought has infected art. Yay.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
omg oil up that fucking contramption
SputNik146 3 years ago
what's the point of getting beat up while ur painting?????????
acgf88 3 years ago
..... I respect what your doing as an artist, but I will not respect the person that buys this
jujitsuese 3 years ago
This is the saddest display of wasted $ I have ever seen. This is not art, whats next? midgets covered in paint thrown onto a canvas?
ghilliegoon 3 years ago
not bad for just finishing high school. it seems to me abe that you're fighting a losing battle. Whether people accept it or not shouldn't matter it's your creation and whether or not they acccept it is not the issue. A true artist does what he/she does for the love of doing it, not for money or "attention" but for release and for completely personal reasons. I remember watching a video and one artist was quoted saying "when people ask questions, your job is done",so abe i think your job is done
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
LilCloudy69...yes you must have had a progressive Art teacher. The negative comments don't bother me...though it is surprising to me how bent out of shape people get over the piece...however, I do feel the need to school people.
abeferraro 3 years ago
So, you get punched in the face for each paint-stroke that you make. Awesome. That's not symbolism so much as seeking attention. That's not "the process that artists go through to realize their vision" or whatever garbage you try to make it symbolize, its a painting made by a machine that also simultaneously punches someone in the face. Symbolism is for panzys or attention seeking prats who can't handle or accept reality.
HeyItzMeDawg 3 years ago
honestly you probably could. A perfect example of one of the probably craziest art pieces out there, "The Fountain", i can't exactly remember it's creater but that's beyond the point. All it is is a urinal and it's been sold for millions, and has been replicated hundreds of times. I'm not exactly a fan of Action Paintings myself but if a man can stand over a huge piece of canvas and flick paint around, why can't a man get punched by a cartoon like boxing glove and create art as well?
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
LilCloudy69...good timing...someone got a good education! The creator of The Fountain was Marcel DuChamp in the Armory Show of 1912, which I just finished schooling ThantcyN on!
abeferraro 3 years ago
Here I was thinking I was gonna see some cool fight HL. First let me say I know a bit about fighting and art. I've been into various competitive martial arts for over 20 years, I have a degree in fine arts and creative writing, and have been featured in various art shows and readings. Jus because you put something "out there"... it doesn't become art. LOL at what you do equating to "suffering". The hardest part of your show was probably the drive to Home Depot...not hatin' jus sayin how I see it
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThantcyN...whether its art or not is a mute question...didn't you learn about Marcel DuChamp in undergrad?!? Either you slept through Art History class or you got educationally jipped. He is the grandfather of contemporary Art! If an artists declares something to be Art, then its Art...its not a relevant question anymore...what is relevant is the judgment call on whether the art succeeds or not.
abeferraro 3 years ago
LOL...didn't I learn about DuChamp? Gee..I dunno...did you learn about Picasso? If you are gonna start droppin names to feign sophistication, then try coming up wit a more obscure name. Dude I don't really care what you call art, or that you consider yourself an artist. I guess if you got art-giants like LilCloudy supporting you, YOU shouldn't get too bent out of shape. I jus call it like I see it...and if you don't want "haters" don't put your sh!t on youtube.
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThantcyN...who hasn't heard of Picasso? DuChamp is not known by the general public like Picasso, but there are whole courses dedicated to him in college...try opening up any basic survey of Modern American Art book and you will find DuChamp...he's not obscure if you went to school for Art. LilCloudy learned about him in High School...enough said.
abeferraro 3 years ago
I'm not bent out shape...I'm just not going to sit around and watch people leave ridiculous comments...especially from someone claiming to have a fine Arts degree!? If your going to call me out...expect a response...and if you can't handle it then don't comment to begin with.
Haters...All I'm asking is...drop the name calling, read a little, think a little, and make an intelligent response.
abeferraro 3 years ago
If you don't want obvious "ridiculous" comments, don't put out obviously rediculous material and call it art. YOU are the one implying that I don't know about DuChamp. LOL! Did you know why "the Fountain" work for DuChamp and your crap fails. Because he was ORIGINAL and PROVOKING. Even then it didn't work the way he planned. Your stuff however are laughable, and looking at the video, it doesn't even seem like you take youself seriously. Take criticism and grow from it...don't bash me for honesty
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThantcyN...really you need to read over DuChamp again...whether or not this is Art has been a mute point since 1912...the only relevant question is whether or not the Art succeeds. If you're going to make elementary mistakes then I will call you on it...sorry if it seems like I'm bashing you...seems like the pot is calling the kettle black here?!?
abeferraro 3 years ago
Errr...ok that went over your head...DuChamp IS known the "general public"...at least the public I choose to hang out with. I was being sarcastic, because you were saying if I've heard of him...who in the art world hasn't? Anyways...how do you like my version of the "knockout artist"? You could top it off by having the opening at the boxing gym,and have the boxer that beat the crap outta you come and talk sh!t about how stupid you are the whole time!That my friend is TRUE sacrifice for your art!
ThantcyN 3 years ago
ThantcyN...well if you had heard of DuChamp then why would you even tell me that my piece is not Art? That was one of the major aspects of his work? Your statement seems even more ridiculous now!?!
abeferraro 3 years ago
They'll call anything "art" these days.
I have an idea! How about someone peels out their truck on a big pile of pig crap and catches the splatter on canvas. We could call it something like "Get Out of Iraq Now!"
Weird people like this might actually buy it....
Exoviper 3 years ago
*Continued*
it's like my punching myself in the nuts and saying Gymnastics is a painful path to success that one must realize and actualize in life before one can understand it's true meaning and the Nut sack strike justifies and makes palpable the facts of athleticism. it's just talking B.S. I don't know why you're so driven to do it, probably for the money, I'm a Pencil artist, i feel nothing but joy when I create my art and see my visions come to life.
VikingII 3 years ago
Vikingll...don't get me wrong...I love to finish a piece, but the journey can be extremely wearing and difficult. I don't imagine that you have worked 1000 hours on a single piece in a 3 month period with a deadline looming and your creditability on the line.
abeferraro 3 years ago
There is a big difference between making a pencil drawing over a couple evenings at your leisure and what I do, so I don't doubt that your process is very fulfilling and your results are pretty or cool to look at. I have no way of telling you how bad one gets torn apart in graduate Art school...I have seen some amazing pencil artists get shredded...its not just about technique.
abeferraro 3 years ago
you are telling everybody is that It's not about the Painting, or your suffering. that it's about the Process of suffering to create a piece of art work. Which disconnects this whole punching/paint process from the equation. Since you're not focused on the byproduct of you being punched in the face, or your own personal suffering, you're just beating yourself up while telling people making art hurts even though you're not making any.
VikingII 3 years ago
Vikingll...you have mixed it all up...The real Art is the performance or process, the painting is a byproduct of the performance, but a recognizable symbol / prop of Art...I make "Art", notice the quotations, during the performance so I can critique the process of being an artist. The painting is metaphorically Art and the boxing ring is metaphorically the artist's studio.
abeferraro 3 years ago
The piece is about the abusiveness of Art making and you see that happen metaphorically during the performance. Many artists torment their bodies and minds to realize an artistic vision. I got burned, bruised, stabbed, sliced, cut, smashed, ridiculed, punched, criticized, and generally abused making the Knockout Artist.
Suffering / abuse is something that happens when you make big physical works, take conceptual risks, or when you stray from the same old safe Art that you're used to making.
abeferraro 3 years ago
wow, he could have done so much more with that matterial, time, energy, and drive; if only he had some intelligence too. I even feel like I wasted my time writing this.
mmmartin261 3 years ago
scroll down to lil cloudy..
you see that? do you see it? The convention is useful.
merob89 3 years ago
awe jese now thats 8:13 off my life wasted lol
sanikleen 3 years ago
I think that Andy Warhol, Jack the Dripper, Picasso can sleep easy at night !!!
vincenzo2064 3 years ago
thta's all right abe, the world criticized very harshly some of the world's greatest artists.Andy Warhol, Jack the Dripper, Picasso, they were bashed, and now they're the biggest names in the art world. I say ya'll need to stuy a bit of art history before ya'll start bashin his art
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
So whatever any "artist" produces should be called art? So if I took a piss on your shoe and called it performance art, you'd approve, since I have a fine arts degree? Whatever...
ThantcyN 3 years ago
Ok so I am a firm believer in freedom of expression, but this is just stupid....I don't really know another word to describe this.
ElectPedro08 3 years ago
RE RE RE RETARDED
lemonshank 3 years ago
That is the laziest metaphor every. I don't care what you say, your art does not reflect any real struggle. When you view art that has been the result of hardship you can see it, in your case, you witness the lack of any real hardship in the creation and the art itself becomes your hardship you must endure, which is pathetic, and a valid reason for you to stay away from making "art."
Vincelambargo 3 years ago
This is what hipsters do when they possess zero talent...
tigermethod 3 years ago
yea, they make sad excuses for art and shop at the salvation arm.
anonforuz 3 years ago
My fucking god..Youtube is messed up..Featured items are this dipshit..And A 500 pound+ guy carving a block of cheese...
WHAT THE FUCK?!
dandman1990 3 years ago
I swear if this makes any cash im gonna shit on a canvas and sell it
ibeatu123 3 years ago
the people there dont give a shit abt the art, they are just enjoying the punch on the guy!
vadakam 3 years ago
One word. Why?
qn5r 3 years ago
cause he ran out of money for weed. Had to make money somehow.
And this is what he came up with... amazing..
anonforuz 3 years ago
Too much time on their hands making this. I suppose they don't need to work squatting somewhere, eating their own turds, talking non sensical drivvle. Interesting and progressive you say logitechstanton? You obviously suck a big one too. How about you jump behind that squeaky rickety contraption and cop one; better yet how about some engineering from a real industry and fire up a pnuematic ram and you can all stand in front of it. Torn limbs, blood and battered no-lifer bodies...now that's art.
cvwagon 3 years ago
Artists are lazy slobs. Get a real job fool.
SPOOKSTR 3 years ago
Please attach a big knife to the boxing glove and make that your last piece. You are a waste of life.
tollplazahero 3 years ago
this is gay he's not even doing art. standing behind a canvas while a punching apparatus hit's you in tha face and simultaneously splatters some paint on a canvas is not creating art. that's just moronic.
zeke120687 3 years ago
You should shut these nay sayers up with some real pain. Put some blood on that canvas bitch.
MrTripi 3 years ago
Doing something interesting and progressive like this has greater merits than painting a pretty picture of a mountain, which does nothing new, creative, or conceptually interesting.
logitechstanton 3 years ago
logitechstanton...thanks for the support!!! I totally agree with you and frankly I would expect more from someone who calls themselves an artist, but I'm betting those "crafters" make like 1 or 2 small paintings a year, copy someone else's style to a T, and have no thought behind it whatsoever...connect the dots...anyone that puts there mind to it can do it...boring!
abeferraro 3 years ago
Those of you who are artists, and posting that you make "real" art and this is just garbage... where is this coming from? Who made you the authority on what is and is not art? Just because you don't like an art piece does that make it not art. There are plenty of styles and mediums of art that I, as an artist do not appreciate or understand as much as others, but I don't balk at it and totally dismiss it, that is completely ridiculous.
logitechstanton 3 years ago
you right-side-brainers come up with some pretty weird shit
mada659659 3 years ago
what an IDIOT.
jameslo3 3 years ago
i know right wtf goes through that guys head... brain damage
MYID973 3 years ago
You make it seem as if creating your brand of "art" is the most difficult thing in the world. It does not take any skill to do what you do. I go through that during every wrestling practice. Yet you use it to create "art" which amounts to a few dashes and scribbles on a canvas. Spending hours to create something beautiful such a portrait or a landscape is a struggle but what you are doing is easy and what ends up on the canvas is ugly. Try something that really forces you to struggle and push.
sneekysneeky1010 3 years ago
sneekysneeky1010...1st, the real Art is the performance, the painting is a by product that is representative of Abstract Action Painting, and the piece is about the struggle to create Art.
2nd, I spent many months constructing the machine and making it all work, which was both a real struggle and very abusive...it was hardly easy nor could most people achieve what I did...lets not forget the originality of the idea nor the careful handling of Art History and metaphors, which is another skill.
abeferraro 3 years ago
I like the idea of following in Jack The Dripper's footsteps and putting your own twist on it. There's not a whole lot of artists that can do anything original any more, most of it's been done, Jack however didn't take a pounding to create his work so I'll give you a little more credit than he got, but in all fairness his works were bigger. The metaphor is so true as well! Art is a rather painful thing to create, not only physically but mentally as well. Keep it up!
LilCloudy69 3 years ago
LilCloudy69...thanks for the support!
abeferraro 3 years ago
wow. that art really moves me. it makes me feel so... something unexplainable
ctrainabc 3 years ago