There's an exMormon Foundation??? Oh brother, now I've heard everything. Anyway, I'm a convert to the LDS church and I can't imagine being a member of any other church.
this is unreal, all you keep doing is mocking the church, you do not have anything to offer, you are only mocking and putting down the church, satan has really got a hold of you.
Here's something new to try, instead of accepting the Mormonism is what it claims to be, why not investigate their claims to see if it actually does hold up to scrutiny as you hope it does? Here's a great Mormon run website to aid you in your studies, MormonThink d o t c o m.
No evil required, just information. If Mormonism is what it claims to be, what do you have to loose through research?
@ExmormonFoundation So many exMormons seem to think that Mormons just BLINDLY follow our faith like we are robots or something. I've said over and over that I read all this anti-Mormon stuff and all this "scrutiny" you talk about over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church! And I've been to the ex-Mormon sites since then, too. I don't know how people can misinterpret things so much.
So Adam and Eve were real people and lived in a magical garden near Jackson County, Missouri, despite the mountains of evidence which dispute this absurd claim? Yes, it is evident that you have indeed used "scrutiny" to establish a factual, reality based world view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
@ExmormonFoundation Yes, I guess that means I'm just a sheep, blindly following the crowd. I could never be a member of any other church. How could you just join any mainstream Protestant church, or the Catholics, where they have "coffee hour" and think nothing is wrong with using alcohol (talk about being blind!), and where they think Mormons are racist, sexist, hate gays and don't believe in Jesus??
Is this a regular practice with you? Name-calling? Again, just curious. It can be very off-putting. Gives others the impression that you're disgruntled, and I don't think that's the image you want to put forth. Acceptable behavior is relative to some, to others it is more clearly defined. You didn't answer my question. Which claim in particular would you like me to engage? I am not like those with whom you commune, with whom you share a bond over believing the restored gospel is a fallacy.
Ask a Mormon how many people he has baptized and watch him put his tail between his legs.
They come on videos like this and leave self righteous baloney implying that THEIR faith can move mountains. But, when push comes to shove, they have no convert baptisms to show for all of their blather.
You would think, based on their bombast, that they have converted whole towns. Reality is that people run from their annoying prattle.
@exmoagogo If you truly ever believed in the restored gospel, you would know that the number of baptisms is irrelevant. The greatest miracle of serving a mission is self-conversion. Communing with God in such a meaningful way changes so many who so willingly give of their time. As for moving mountains, I've witnessed this on a personal level.My faith can indeed move mountains. My faith and trust in God saved my marriage. Watch the Mormon Message "Forgiveness" and tell me what you find offensive.
@exmoagogo Study the Book of Mormon with real intent, and you'll find your answer. And you know, I do not have the power to convince you of the truth. That responsibility lies with the Holy Ghost alone. I have converted none. The Holy Ghost, on the other hand, has converted many. There is nothing that brings me greater joy than witnessing this change wrought in a person's soul. As there is nothing more disheartening than witnessing the spiritual demise of others. Moses recorded God's tears...
@exmoagogo Is this the language and attitude you display to all those with whom you come in contact? What has made you so bitter and so unhappy as to convince you this is the only course? If you failed to find peace in the gospel, have you not found it elsewhere? Why must you strike out in anger at those whom you've never met? I harbor no ill feelings toward you as I don't know you and thus have no idea what trials life has laid at your doorstep. My advice to you is to move on, find peace.
Who would have thought that such a simple question would stump you.
Just tell us how many people you have baptized and spare
me the lectures.
You come here wagging your self righteous finger but you can't bring yourself to answer. And you wonder why I call you a blabber mouth?
Your armchair psychology aside, why are you so afraid to answer? You profess to have all the truth in Mormonism but you can't answer a direct question? Is prevarication a skill honed in Mormonism?
@exmoagogo Sorry to be so long in answering. It's been a very full week, and I've just now found the time to sit down and go through my email. Please don't misunderstand me. I am far from self-righteous. I am the first to admit I am in need of just as much improvement as the next person. I do not think of myself as better than you. My thoughts regarding you contain mostly sadness. As I've had time to reflect on our correspondence, I realize there is little I can do to soften your heart.
@exmoagogo I am far from stumped by your simple question, just puzzled that you would ask. I have personally aided in the baptism of one individual. He is a beautiful person, and his choice to be baptized has indeed changed his life for the better. He found his answers as I have found mine. He has since married in the temple and has three children born under the covenant. Another friend is to be baptized soon, and I am currently aiding in the instruction of a dear family of three.
@BOMATOJC The fact that you are puzzled means you are oblivious to the irony.
You ooze unctious sanctimony in calling exmos to repentance yet all you've done is "aided" (whatever that means) in baptizing one person. What happened to your Power and Authority? Why did someone else baptize him? If he has 3 kids by now you haven't "aided" anyone else for years.
I did far better than that when I was a Mormon, with half the baloney!
@exmoagogo Fear did not delay my response. As you are antagonistic with regard to the gospel, no answer I provide you would be suitable. As these experiences are precious to me, I do not discuss them lightly. I have come to see that you will always respond in a loathing tone. As I have never encountered an individual who once accepted the gospel and now vehemently argues against it, I have learned a great deal from you. Oddly, my testimony has been strengthened, and I have you to thank for it.
@BOMATOJC Well, if I've strengthened your testimony just imagine how I can help all of the people you are "aiding"! Send them my way and I'll give them the boost you lack in sealing the deal. There is so much more I have yet to offer you!
@exmoagogo If Mormonism is not the answer for you, don't waste time worrying about us. Keep searching until you do find the peace you seek. If you reject our teachings, do so with dignity. Pay us no mind, look elsewhere for the answers you deem worthy to bring you a content and happy life. What purpose do you serve, harboring hostility for a religion in which you have no faith? How does this serve your progression in this life? My hope is that you find peace, where ever that may be for you.
Well remember, "Many are called but few are chosen" so his valiant efforts to convert the world have probably been very dismal indeed, which can be linked to the fact that reaching in to the bottom of the "gullible barrel" continues to be a difficult thing in light of the present free exchange of information regarding the realities of Mormonism.
@ExmormonFoundation Sadly, you are correct. Many are called, but few will reach their full potential as they have the freedom to act for themselves while on this earth. The time will come when their choices will determine their placement beyond this life. God is merciful as all will be assigned a glory that best suits them. As you deny God in this life, you will have no need for Him in the next and will be content with your chosen glory. A weary heart God will have as He will miss you dearly.
@ExmormonFoundation Sadly, you are so much more than you now recognize yourself to be. Who you were before this life will be restored to you, and when this occurs, you will recall in a very personal way the love you have for your Father in Heaven. Then will you painfully regret the choices you made which led you to reject Him who counted you among his own. You stand proudly now upon your own interpretation of truth. One day this truth will crumble beneath your feet and you will cry out in agony.
@exmoagogo I am afraid of very little. My trust in God is strong. I spent this past week trusting in God as I scrubbed the home of an inner-city family from top to bottom. Their home was infested with roaches to a degree I've never witnessed. I filled their empty cupboards and fridge, took their boys to buy school clothes and supplies. Waited in line at Social Services with the grandma who is very sick. Happened upon this family by accident. I am not concerned about baptisms, but about people.
@exmoagogo Do your current beliefs inspire you to seek out those in need? Mine do. My desire to lift the burdens of others has never been stronger. If the gospel brings out the best in me, then I have found my greatest joy. There is no room in my heart for animosity toward others. I have put what I've been taught into action and have been greatly rewarded. I am truly sorry you did not find this peace. My hope is that you will indeed find what you seek, and that what you seek is what you need.
@exmoagogo 2 Nephi 9:40 "O, my beloved brethren, give ear to my words. Remember the greatness of the Holy One of Israel. Do not say that I have spoken hard things against you; for if ye do, ye will revile against the truth; for I have spoken the words of your Maker. I know that the words of truth are hard against all uncleanness; but the righteous fear them not, for they love the truth and are not shaken." Do not imbue the spirit of Korihor."If thou wilt show me a sign, that I may be convinced."
@exmoagogo If only I were indeed quoting from a work of fiction. My thoughts and heart are heavy tonight as I type these words. You are so very precious in the sight of God. Your potential is immeasurable if you will but humble yourself and call on Him for better understanding. Men will leave you to wallow in your pain. Their truths are empty and without purpose. God's truths can bring peace to your mind and comfort to your soul if you will trust in Him. I am done here. I pray that you find Him.
Please don't forget to dust your cyber feet on the way out. And please don't forget as you continue your studies of the absurdities of Mormonism, "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence."
All the best in your continued studies. It is not what it claims to be. -EMF
Thankfully, only 2,005 views. That number speaks for itself. I found this video by accident. I was curious to compare the spirit of this meeting to that of General Conference. What I witnessed was a drastic difference, which I have to say surprised me. Ridicule and sexual innuendoes. Is this what happens when the Spirit departs? I am saddened by Satan's hold on their bitter hearts. My prayers are with them as they traverse the mists of darkness...
Thanks again for your prayers. Such gracious condescension is most appreciated. Please investigate the claims of your religion. It is not what it claims to be, burning bosoms not withstanding. Thanks again for stopping by. Please watch the rest of the videos as well, perhaps the "Lying for the Lord" presentation may strike your fancy, but then again maybe not.
All the best in your continued studies! -EMF
p.s. Thanks for increasing the number of views to 2,005. Every view counts!
@ExmormonFoundation I have investigated many of these claims. To which one would you like me to reply? You are right. My words may have come across as condescending. For that I apologize. It was not my intent. It's just that your video starts with this beautiful and peaceful music, and then one is presented with the organizer's ridiculing of sincere individuals who as you know are harmless. And then the references to the bedroom I would find inappropriate in any group gathering.
@BOMATOJC - I am the person who made the very light-hearted and silly comment about my bedroom. It was an off-the-cuff joke, and since most of the people in the room know me or know about me, no one there took it seriously - and it was obviously funny to most. And I have been at many adult Mormon parties consisting of married couples in which there were occasionally silly "bedroom humor" comments made. No one got themselves in a snit about any of it. I think you are a bit of a prude.
Well, first of all, ask yourself why you are here? Your curiosity probably had a large part to do with it, but there is probably a small part of you which wishes to examine the doubts you have but are afraid to admit such, perhaps even to yourself. Mormonism makes many claims, yet there is no credible evidence to support those claims. Many of us were very active, true believing Mormons just like yourself, until we were finally were able to realize that we had been completely wrong.
@ExmormonFoundation Good question. Why am I here? I'm curious to know how far gone you are. I'm curious to know if you can truly argue your points, though it wouldn't be a fair debate as you no longer carry the confirming witness of HG. You have only man upon which to rely, which is further evident as you require proof for everything. Did you not study the B of M? Do you not comprehend the need for faith? If you were ever truly converted, it was shallow at best. Else why would you be here?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please support your claims, otherwise you are no different from any other religious person making specific claims about the world, rendering your claims moot and unsubstantiated. I eagerly await your evidence filled reply.
@ExmormonFoundation What in your life has caused you to have such enmity toward God? Your hardened heart has warped your perspective. You have reversed the process in your mind as you've placed your will against God's will. It is God's will that you practice faith in this life. Satan would have your heart fill with pride, thereby rendering you incapable of faith. Pride is contentious and limits your progression. You have become a sign seeker. Do you truly think your wisdom outweighs God's?
@Jeanikins I agree. God's wisdom is perfect, and I will follow His commandments to the best of my ability. My claim will stand as thus until my time on this earth is completed. I hope you, too, deem God worthy of worship. We are all His children, none greater than the other. I truly believe this. We are all here working out our salvation, and the most rewarding portion of this is lifting another's burdens. Don't waste time tearing down another's chosen faith. Your time is more valuable than this
Thanks for your testimony. I am still eagerly awaiting your evidence filled reply. Surely if Mormonism is the great galactic truth you will be able to provide mountains of evidence to support your Mormon claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please support your claims oh inspired one.
@ExmormonFoundation What caused your departure from the gospel? If you were once baptized, you, too, experienced the assurance of truth through the gift of the HG. Why do you seek proof you already possess? The BofM warns of the fate you've chosen. "For behold, ye have closed your eyes and ye have rejected the prophets." Prophets told of Christ's coming, yet they had no corporeal evidence. Still, Christ came. Evidence is not the answer, but faith. You knew this once. What happened?
@ExmormonFoundation As a former member, are you familiar with the BofM? What caused you to enter the waters of baptism? What moved you to this decision? "He that keepeth my commandments receiveth truth and light until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things." That you seek truth is honorable. "Behold, ye are little children and cannot bear all things now; ye must grow in grace and the knowledge of truth." "Truth abideth and it hath no end; and if it be in you it shall abound."
@ExmormonFoundation You once discovered truth. I can't imagine what led you to reject it. "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth." You can choose to walk in this truth again. That is the beauty of free agency! God knows your heart, and He fully comprehends your struggles. He is a patient and loving God. He desires more than ever that you return to Him. Seek Him, and you will find the truth for which you long to have. Look not to men, but to God. He has never left you
To which god? Odin? Mithra? Osiris? Perhaps Zeus? Oh, you mean Yahweh. No thanks, you can keep him. If that's the deity to which you are referring one can do much better than that bloody tyrant of Bronze Age mythological origin. Still waiting for your evidence filled reply to support your claims..
Facing reality is often just too much to handle for most, especially the fanatic met in our dear friend BOMATOJC. On some level they really know that their testimony is based on bunk, but to admit such is just too much.
Does the state government's acceptance of the LDS church's corporate name of "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", mean that the state government recognizes and grants to each of the members of this church the title of nobility of "Latter Day Saint" that means a living human saint of today ? And if so, is this unconstitutional ?
@trader0108 What an odd question. All men can choose to be a Saint, or follower of Christ. All men cannot choose to be king, an honor recognized by men as noble. As all men are created equal, all men can choose to follow Christ. Why would this be unconstitutional? The constitution was put forth to protect the citizens of this nation from tyranny. How then is being a Saint tyrannical?
Exmormon Foundation! Keep up the good work! One of these days I can't wait to have both the time and money to go (it seems I always have one but not the other)! I've been exmo for 5 years now and it would be nice to socialize with people who understand where I'm coming from. Good luck!
Why do you think that is? (We've never heard that thought stopping cliche before, how unique.) Let me ask you a hypothetical question...If the Church was not true, would you want to know? Remember, this is just a hypothetical because the church is true right? So if it was not, would you want to know?
May I suggest a visit to mormon think d o t c o m for a perusal of the "truth" for your Mormon studies adventure? Thanks for stopping by, and all the best in your continued studies. -EMF
@ExmormonFoundation You even respond with gall. Wow. You're not helping your cause. What led you to reject the Savior? Your behavior, regardless of your chosen religion, cannot be compared to that of Christ's. Based on your responses, would you want to be around you?
Thanks for stopping by for your self-righteous rebuke. Such has been noted, & most certainly recorded by those "angels which are silent notes taking."
Now that you feel better about yourself by treading so close to the scary edge, may we suggest that you continue to do so by investigating the claims of your religion to see if they do indeed hold up to scrutiny, criticism and evidence. An excellent place to begin is at the Mormon run site, MormonThink d o t c o m.
@ExmormonFoundation No, not self-righteous. Just an observation. I'm curious as to why you speak as you do. Sometimes my tendency to express exactly what is on my mind allows for misinterpretation. I sincerely think you would be more successful in promoting your cause if you refrained from sarcasm. I'm not certain what you mean by "scary edge". I find here simply a group of angry people unable to forgive. Not scary. Just sad in the true sense of the word.
If Mormonism is the great galactic truth, why does the evidence clearly show such not to be the case? Is the Mormon god trying to trick & confuse you? If Mormonism is what you claim it to be, then you should be able to support such beyond simply claiming it to be true. You must support your claims with evidence.
Otherwise your claims are no different from the Scientologist, Lutheran, Baptist, Moonie, Branch Davidian, Raelian, Catholic, FLDS, Muslim, etc. Credible Evidence is the key.
@ExmormonFoundation The confirmation you seek is no longer available to you. As the HG bears witness of the truth of all things, you have closed and locked the door containing the very thing you desire so desperately. Do you not recall the purpose of this life? The reason for the veil? We knew with certainty before we came here. This life affords us the opportunity to demonstrate faith. Ever watch the movie "Conact'? Fine example. My proof? Faith is the true essence of religion (good book).
@4mykids1 The Spirit is not the only one capable of influencing an individual. Satan has taken down far more than God will recover. There is great sadness in this realization. By their fruits ye shall know them. We speak of Christ and seek to lift others burdens. I have not yet identified what centers a non-believer who once felt the HG. I've observed a strong desire on their part to strike out in anger with insults and name-calling. Fills the void left by the absence of the Spirit.
Then you are not committed to truth. If the God you worship values truth, then the claims of his prophets and scripture would be validated by truth, evidence and ethic. You are hiding behind your faith in order to avoid discovery. Until you become committed to the truth, you will never see. I believe it was the words of Christ, "And the truth shall make you free." It would seem that you are still not committed to such, and so your delusion will continue. Truth matters, it really does.
@ExmormonFoundation You are seeking for the scriptures to be validated? What then is faith? Why then are we here? Take great caution in choosing what "truth" you deem worthy. The adversary has provided much "truth" to the world of men. The "truth" you dispel is on sandy ground. Simply observe the body language and tones used by those of your foundation. Is there a sense of peace? Is there a sense of fulfillment? I see only hurt and anger.
It's very simple. Your religion makes very specific claims about the world around us. Claims such as a global flood, Kolob as the light source for the sun, Kolob, Tower of Babel, Lamanites, Adam & Eve, Origins of Man in N. America etc. The onus is always on the claimant, in this case Mormonism to support its claims with evidence. It has none. If the claim cannot be supported then it is just an empty claim, a fantasy. Faith is to bridge to the unknown, not to cover or ignore the known.
@ExmormonFoundation Known according to whom? Facts change as knowledge is gained. The earth was once flat, and all things revolved around it. Columbus fought these "truths" and was greatly ridiculed. There was indeed a global flood, and perhaps in time man will acquire the knowledge base necessary to accept this. Can we confirm Kolob? Not at present. Neither can we disprove it. The onus is on the claimant where man is concerned, never God. That is why the HG is referred to as a "gift".
@ExmormonFoundation Beautiful way of defining faith. :) I like it. Do I know with certainty that God speaks to man? No. I have faith that He does, and I have put this faith to the test. I've followed the promptings of the HG when everything worldly points in the opposite direction. Many times. That God has never let me down is proof enough for me. Why is this not enough for you? Why do you seek corporeal proof for the divine? This path will lead you nowhere, and the emptiness will remain.
So there you go, obfuscate, excuse and retreat. The typical Mormon ploy when confronted with the cold hard truth about your religion and its founder. You are a pretender sir. You are someone who is not committed to truth, but to delusion at all costs.
Please continue to research. There is far more to the picture than you allow yourself to accept. Stand for something, stand for truth. Have the courage and ethic to see if the claims and evidence are supported outside of your own mind.
I am sorry my friend my will is one of God and not of man. I discredit nothing you claim or wish to content at all. Is my own ego so big that I think God needs my help to defend his church? I think not. But I do however wish to understand more of people like you who leave the spirit of Christ and trade it for EGO. How long has it been since you felt the spirit. Which by the way is the only way to find the truth of any and all things. You know this to be true. How long?
There you go again. These are your claims, this is your religion and it is evident that truth is something you do not value. Do not pretend to be pious, and morally superior. This arrogance belies an inner insecurity. Please answer the questions posed to you. Do you stand for truth and are you committed to such?
Commited to Christ. I would say is where my commitment lies. Commited to chairty, faith, goodworks, hope. These are things I am commited to. Being commited to truth? I am not sure that it is even possible. I am commited to the holy spirit. And he can show me the truth of all things. But the truth of man without the spirit. NO i am definitly not commited to the truths of another man. Except maybe Christ.But i am sure even he experience being wrong a time or two.
@marcopolo8765 I am curious as well and have said as much, though I do not believe ego is the root of their dissension. It most certainly plays a part. Satan is at the heart of this perplexing behavior. When presented with a choice, we can draw nearer to God or turn away. Just as the ability to recognize the Spirit grows over time, so does Satan's influence over us if we allow. Satan is careful, works gradually. You can see evidence in their "fruit" that the adversary speaks through them.
My world is one of charity, faith, hope, kindness, and love. It is a great time to be a latter day saint. Never before have so many blessings been available to the saints. To have, read and learn from the fullness of the complete gospel, and to have the aid of the holy spirit with me daily, are huge blessings in my life that have helped me threw some of the hardest times in my life. Everytime I have fed my own ego and listened not to Christ. It has made my life considerably worse.muchlikeyours
when a person begins to believe that truth. There truth, someone elses truth, Just the word truth in itself is more important than God. Well thats when you know you've got a real problem in your life. See truth can mean many, many different things to many, many different people. Christ only means one thing to everyone. Can you see where you may have gone wrong in life?
That's an incredible mind pretzel you live in, not uncommon for a believer, yet incredible nonetheless. Yours is a magical world of revelatory rocks, underwear which guards you from evil, world wide floods & magically disappearing civilizations. Remember, you're talking about a religion which was started by a guy who recieved revelations from God from a rock in his hat. Good luck with that, you've got your work cut out for you.
its really simple actually. Either you listen to the spirit and words of Christ.( You can hear them much more clearly if you live you life in tune with his teachings) or you choose a life of sin and ego. And distance yourself from the spirit and his teachings. For most when they cannot overcome there sin or there own ego perhaps. They begin to look for fault in Christ. Cause they can't possilbly be wrong. It must be the church that is wrong. So I will find some truth to back me up. Doesn't work.
The sad thing is you assume you stand on the moral high ground here, where in reality you do not. Any Mormon who turns a blind eye to the truth about Smith and his "activities", the BoM and the world in which we live forfeits the ethics and morality necessary to make such high statements. Let's test your commitment to truth shall we?
How many wives did Smith have? How many were married to other men at the time of his relationship with them? How old was the youngest?
Why did Smith lie about his relationships to his wife Emma? Why did he lie to the membership of the church about his plural marriages? Why did he lie to the world at large regarding this "doctrine?" Shall we go on?
8. The Book of Mormon is an acutual history of real events in ancient America, despite the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the claims made in the book.
9. An angel of God really did appear to Smith and threaten his life if he did not have extra marital affairs.
10. The City of Enoch was a real place and was transported, land and all from the earth. Early journals record the location as the Gulf of Mexico.
It takes a commitment to truth to become disposed to accept the logical consequences of your beliefs even when they conflict with what others tell you or what you want to believe.
Truth matters, and your hiding behind some pretended moral superiority will never hide the fact that you are not committed to such, your belief system and your desire to be right at all costs prevents it.
Have the courage to research. Who knows what you may find, truth perhaps?
I have found something that no man can touch, no thief can steal, no enemy can hurt, and no ego can corrupt. You can continue to seek your truth. If you look hard enough you will find anything. But it takes a saint to believe, live, and have faith in Christ. I choose to be a saint.
Again you fail. Is your God a God of truth? Does truth even matter to this God? You seem to be such a keen follower of this deity, yet you do not seem to share this value of your God. It is not my truth, it is called truth. If someone lies, and claims are proven invalid, then it cannot be considered truth, no matter how much we want it to be so. One must be prepared to accept truth no matter where it may lead, or what delusion it may destroy. Truth matters. It really does.
sorry for having failed you. I believe truth matters as well. How we find our own truth. Well doesn't that matter also. You still have not answered my question though. How long has it been? How long have you been without the spirit?
You see, you try to conform reality to what is inside your head, again you belie your arrogance and lack of commitment to truth. Truth is self-evident and can be readily found by all, not some subjective warm fuzzy. Your statement of testimony says more about you than it does about the world in which we live. When you try and pull your claims back into the world of the metaphysical you have once again proven your lack of commitment for truth and ceded that truth does not support your position.
I have no postion to support, except maybe that I am a child of God as are we all. And the postion that you seem to support is one of condemning, contention, and self rightousness. When you stand against something. That does not mean you stand for anything. And when you do not stand for something. Well then you will easily fall for anything. So in not answering my question. I suppose that you never have felt the spirit then. Or is it just to painful to answer Nothing is what you will become. Fre
Oh brother. It must be hard to go anywhere smelling like a burnt martyr. Climb down off of your stake and stand for something beyond senseless hyperbole.
Your definition of "spirit" is something felt the world over in countless religions. Your emotional responses to your religion are not unique, you may want them to be so, but they are part of the human universal and not confined to the Mormon believer.
Truth matters, no matter how you try to pretend it does not. All the best in your studies.
200 years ago, again, you have no proof of any of these accuzations except for OH THATS RIght. The churches own records. That we still to this day do not hide. I love it when apostates use our own records against us. Just another proof that it is the true chruch of Christ because we dont hide from our past. We make it public. Each and every part of it. its your own ego that makes you blind to the truth. A very human trait. Don't even you deserve to have the spirit in your life? Howlonghasitbeen
Just keep repeating that to yourself over and over again. You see, your answers to me show your lack of commitment to truth. You would rather disparage, cast judgment and remain safely within the confines of your fantasy rather than investigate the claims you and your religion make. These are your claims, and they require evidence to back them up. So once again, let's see where your commitment to truth stands shall we?
8. The Book of Mormon is an acutual history of real events in ancient America, despite the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the claims made in the book.
9. An angel of God really did appear to Smith and threaten his life if he did not have extra marital affairs.
10. The City of Enoch was a real place and was transported, land and all from the earth. Early journals record the location as the Gulf of Mexico.
It takes a commitment to truth to become disposed to accept the logical consequences of your beliefs even when they conflict with what others tell you or what you want to believe.
If you would like to put me on the moral high ground thats fine I suppose. But I got to tell ya. It a lot harder to climb up than to fall down. As for my commitment, I am commited to Christ and his teachings. As for Joseph Smith. Yes he was a prophet of God. Yes he did have more than 1 wife. So let me ask you. Were you around 200 years ago. Or 2000 years ago (bible). No, No you were not. So how can you even pass judgement on something you never experienced. Or never will experience.
@ExmormonFoundation Ah, here we go. I should've thought to look at previous dialogue. An actual list of your concerns. I will give these facts of yours some thought. But, you must, of course, be willing to submit your "proof". And, remember, man does not possess at this time the knowledge necessary to demonstrate the truth of all things. Fortunately, God has provided the HG. I view this as a fascinating debate, nothing more. I know whose child I am. If only you knew who you are.
Please provide the evidence to support your claims. If the world and Mormonism are as you say they are, please support your claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I am an EX-Jehovah Witness and i can understand these conferences, we have so much in common with the brainwashing and the lies. Thank you for doing this great work. Don't forget about your Ex-Jehovah Witness brothers/sisters who suffer the same as you.I hope you continue to show the truth about Mormonism and i will continue to show the truth about the Watchtower! Thank You! These Cults are both very evil!
Encouraging to see all you guys together. I am going to a conference soon here in the UK which will have ex-Mormons there. From this, I hope to do some interviews and put them up here.
@Shazoolo You said you were hoping to put up some interviews from the UK. I am very interested in those; have you done it yet? Hope so and also that your conference went well.
@Jeanikins Hi, that won't be until I go to a conference in Feb 2011. I have done others interviews of people's testimonies from a variety of backgrounds though. Check out my vid archives.
There's an exMormon Foundation??? Oh brother, now I've heard everything. Anyway, I'm a convert to the LDS church and I can't imagine being a member of any other church.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
this is unreal, all you keep doing is mocking the church, you do not have anything to offer, you are only mocking and putting down the church, satan has really got a hold of you.
hammers1955 1 year ago
@hammers1955
Here's something new to try, instead of accepting the Mormonism is what it claims to be, why not investigate their claims to see if it actually does hold up to scrutiny as you hope it does? Here's a great Mormon run website to aid you in your studies, MormonThink d o t c o m.
No evil required, just information. If Mormonism is what it claims to be, what do you have to loose through research?
All the best in your studies! -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation So many exMormons seem to think that Mormons just BLINDLY follow our faith like we are robots or something. I've said over and over that I read all this anti-Mormon stuff and all this "scrutiny" you talk about over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church! And I've been to the ex-Mormon sites since then, too. I don't know how people can misinterpret things so much.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@cindybin2001
So Adam and Eve were real people and lived in a magical garden near Jackson County, Missouri, despite the mountains of evidence which dispute this absurd claim? Yes, it is evident that you have indeed used "scrutiny" to establish a factual, reality based world view. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
ExmormonFoundation 8 months ago
@ExmormonFoundation Yes, I guess that means I'm just a sheep, blindly following the crowd. I could never be a member of any other church. How could you just join any mainstream Protestant church, or the Catholics, where they have "coffee hour" and think nothing is wrong with using alcohol (talk about being blind!), and where they think Mormons are racist, sexist, hate gays and don't believe in Jesus??
cindybin2001 8 months ago
@hammers1955 No, not Satan, it's the Boogie Man!
exmoagogo 1 year ago
Is this a regular practice with you? Name-calling? Again, just curious. It can be very off-putting. Gives others the impression that you're disgruntled, and I don't think that's the image you want to put forth. Acceptable behavior is relative to some, to others it is more clearly defined. You didn't answer my question. Which claim in particular would you like me to engage? I am not like those with whom you commune, with whom you share a bond over believing the restored gospel is a fallacy.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
Mormons are the biggest bunch of blowhards.
Ask a Mormon how many people he has baptized and watch him put his tail between his legs.
They come on videos like this and leave self righteous baloney implying that THEIR faith can move mountains. But, when push comes to shove, they have no convert baptisms to show for all of their blather.
You would think, based on their bombast, that they have converted whole towns. Reality is that people run from their annoying prattle.
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo If you truly ever believed in the restored gospel, you would know that the number of baptisms is irrelevant. The greatest miracle of serving a mission is self-conversion. Communing with God in such a meaningful way changes so many who so willingly give of their time. As for moving mountains, I've witnessed this on a personal level.My faith can indeed move mountains. My faith and trust in God saved my marriage. Watch the Mormon Message "Forgiveness" and tell me what you find offensive.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
I would be just as impressed if a Muslim told me that Allah was the one true God
and I should convert or have my infidel head cut off.
So, you have seen a mountain move? Let's have the Google Earth co-ordinates so I can have a look!
Since the number of people you have baptized is irrelevant then you certainly wouldn't mind sharing that number with us would you?
Or are you tucking your tail as I predicted?
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Study the Book of Mormon with real intent, and you'll find your answer. And you know, I do not have the power to convince you of the truth. That responsibility lies with the Holy Ghost alone. I have converted none. The Holy Ghost, on the other hand, has converted many. There is nothing that brings me greater joy than witnessing this change wrought in a person's soul. As there is nothing more disheartening than witnessing the spiritual demise of others. Moses recorded God's tears...
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Put your money where your big mouth is.
How many people have you baptized?
Quit beating around the bush. Or is the number so low that it will betray your self inflated image?
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Is this the language and attitude you display to all those with whom you come in contact? What has made you so bitter and so unhappy as to convince you this is the only course? If you failed to find peace in the gospel, have you not found it elsewhere? Why must you strike out in anger at those whom you've never met? I harbor no ill feelings toward you as I don't know you and thus have no idea what trials life has laid at your doorstep. My advice to you is to move on, find peace.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Who would have thought that such a simple question would stump you.
Just tell us how many people you have baptized and spare
me the lectures.
You come here wagging your self righteous finger but you can't bring yourself to answer. And you wonder why I call you a blabber mouth?
Your armchair psychology aside, why are you so afraid to answer? You profess to have all the truth in Mormonism but you can't answer a direct question? Is prevarication a skill honed in Mormonism?
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Sorry to be so long in answering. It's been a very full week, and I've just now found the time to sit down and go through my email. Please don't misunderstand me. I am far from self-righteous. I am the first to admit I am in need of just as much improvement as the next person. I do not think of myself as better than you. My thoughts regarding you contain mostly sadness. As I've had time to reflect on our correspondence, I realize there is little I can do to soften your heart.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@exmoagogo I am far from stumped by your simple question, just puzzled that you would ask. I have personally aided in the baptism of one individual. He is a beautiful person, and his choice to be baptized has indeed changed his life for the better. He found his answers as I have found mine. He has since married in the temple and has three children born under the covenant. Another friend is to be baptized soon, and I am currently aiding in the instruction of a dear family of three.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC The fact that you are puzzled means you are oblivious to the irony.
You ooze unctious sanctimony in calling exmos to repentance yet all you've done is "aided" (whatever that means) in baptizing one person. What happened to your Power and Authority? Why did someone else baptize him? If he has 3 kids by now you haven't "aided" anyone else for years.
I did far better than that when I was a Mormon, with half the baloney!
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Fear did not delay my response. As you are antagonistic with regard to the gospel, no answer I provide you would be suitable. As these experiences are precious to me, I do not discuss them lightly. I have come to see that you will always respond in a loathing tone. As I have never encountered an individual who once accepted the gospel and now vehemently argues against it, I have learned a great deal from you. Oddly, my testimony has been strengthened, and I have you to thank for it.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC Well, if I've strengthened your testimony just imagine how I can help all of the people you are "aiding"! Send them my way and I'll give them the boost you lack in sealing the deal. There is so much more I have yet to offer you!
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo If Mormonism is not the answer for you, don't waste time worrying about us. Keep searching until you do find the peace you seek. If you reject our teachings, do so with dignity. Pay us no mind, look elsewhere for the answers you deem worthy to bring you a content and happy life. What purpose do you serve, harboring hostility for a religion in which you have no faith? How does this serve your progression in this life? My hope is that you find peace, where ever that may be for you.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
How about you just tell the truth and say how many people you have baptized.
What are you afraid of?
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo
Well remember, "Many are called but few are chosen" so his valiant efforts to convert the world have probably been very dismal indeed, which can be linked to the fact that reaching in to the bottom of the "gullible barrel" continues to be a difficult thing in light of the present free exchange of information regarding the realities of Mormonism.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Sadly, you are correct. Many are called, but few will reach their full potential as they have the freedom to act for themselves while on this earth. The time will come when their choices will determine their placement beyond this life. God is merciful as all will be assigned a glory that best suits them. As you deny God in this life, you will have no need for Him in the next and will be content with your chosen glory. A weary heart God will have as He will miss you dearly.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Sadly, you are so much more than you now recognize yourself to be. Who you were before this life will be restored to you, and when this occurs, you will recall in a very personal way the love you have for your Father in Heaven. Then will you painfully regret the choices you made which led you to reject Him who counted you among his own. You stand proudly now upon your own interpretation of truth. One day this truth will crumble beneath your feet and you will cry out in agony.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@exmoagogo I am afraid of very little. My trust in God is strong. I spent this past week trusting in God as I scrubbed the home of an inner-city family from top to bottom. Their home was infested with roaches to a degree I've never witnessed. I filled their empty cupboards and fridge, took their boys to buy school clothes and supplies. Waited in line at Social Services with the grandma who is very sick. Happened upon this family by accident. I am not concerned about baptisms, but about people.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC Well, I worked hard this week to pay for all the taxes being extracted from my paycheck that goes to people like that, so we're even!
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Do your current beliefs inspire you to seek out those in need? Mine do. My desire to lift the burdens of others has never been stronger. If the gospel brings out the best in me, then I have found my greatest joy. There is no room in my heart for animosity toward others. I have put what I've been taught into action and have been greatly rewarded. I am truly sorry you did not find this peace. My hope is that you will indeed find what you seek, and that what you seek is what you need.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@exmoagogo 2 Nephi 9:40 "O, my beloved brethren, give ear to my words. Remember the greatness of the Holy One of Israel. Do not say that I have spoken hard things against you; for if ye do, ye will revile against the truth; for I have spoken the words of your Maker. I know that the words of truth are hard against all uncleanness; but the righteous fear them not, for they love the truth and are not shaken." Do not imbue the spirit of Korihor."If thou wilt show me a sign, that I may be convinced."
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
I don't want a sign. I want you to tell the truth. Besides, you are quoting a work of fiction.......
How many people have you baptized?
BTW, if you have baptized your own kids they don't count.
Why is this so difficult for you to answer?
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo If only I were indeed quoting from a work of fiction. My thoughts and heart are heavy tonight as I type these words. You are so very precious in the sight of God. Your potential is immeasurable if you will but humble yourself and call on Him for better understanding. Men will leave you to wallow in your pain. Their truths are empty and without purpose. God's truths can bring peace to your mind and comfort to your soul if you will trust in Him. I am done here. I pray that you find Him.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Please don't forget to dust your cyber feet on the way out. And please don't forget as you continue your studies of the absurdities of Mormonism, "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence."
All the best in your continued studies. It is not what it claims to be. -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC You are done here?
You love it! You'll be back! You can't resist, you can't help yourself!
It is so much easier to give a tongue lashing to exmos than it is to get doors slammed in your face with the missionaries.
Be honest, it feels really good to be condescending doesn't it?
It's kind of like compensation. You take out your frustration of failure to convert the world by paddling the behinds of exmormons.
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo Is this a regular habit with non-believers? Name-calling?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
Thankfully, only 2,005 views. That number speaks for itself. I found this video by accident. I was curious to compare the spirit of this meeting to that of General Conference. What I witnessed was a drastic difference, which I have to say surprised me. Ridicule and sexual innuendoes. Is this what happens when the Spirit departs? I am saddened by Satan's hold on their bitter hearts. My prayers are with them as they traverse the mists of darkness...
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Thanks again for your prayers. Such gracious condescension is most appreciated. Please investigate the claims of your religion. It is not what it claims to be, burning bosoms not withstanding. Thanks again for stopping by. Please watch the rest of the videos as well, perhaps the "Lying for the Lord" presentation may strike your fancy, but then again maybe not.
All the best in your continued studies! -EMF
p.s. Thanks for increasing the number of views to 2,005. Every view counts!
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation I have investigated many of these claims. To which one would you like me to reply? You are right. My words may have come across as condescending. For that I apologize. It was not my intent. It's just that your video starts with this beautiful and peaceful music, and then one is presented with the organizer's ridiculing of sincere individuals who as you know are harmless. And then the references to the bedroom I would find inappropriate in any group gathering.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC - I am the person who made the very light-hearted and silly comment about my bedroom. It was an off-the-cuff joke, and since most of the people in the room know me or know about me, no one there took it seriously - and it was obviously funny to most. And I have been at many adult Mormon parties consisting of married couples in which there were occasionally silly "bedroom humor" comments made. No one got themselves in a snit about any of it. I think you are a bit of a prude.
Suzyqalso 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Well, first of all, ask yourself why you are here? Your curiosity probably had a large part to do with it, but there is probably a small part of you which wishes to examine the doubts you have but are afraid to admit such, perhaps even to yourself. Mormonism makes many claims, yet there is no credible evidence to support those claims. Many of us were very active, true believing Mormons just like yourself, until we were finally were able to realize that we had been completely wrong.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Good question. Why am I here? I'm curious to know how far gone you are. I'm curious to know if you can truly argue your points, though it wouldn't be a fair debate as you no longer carry the confirming witness of HG. You have only man upon which to rely, which is further evident as you require proof for everything. Did you not study the B of M? Do you not comprehend the need for faith? If you were ever truly converted, it was shallow at best. Else why would you be here?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please support your claims, otherwise you are no different from any other religious person making specific claims about the world, rendering your claims moot and unsubstantiated. I eagerly await your evidence filled reply.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation What in your life has caused you to have such enmity toward God? Your hardened heart has warped your perspective. You have reversed the process in your mind as you've placed your will against God's will. It is God's will that you practice faith in this life. Satan would have your heart fill with pride, thereby rendering you incapable of faith. Pride is contentious and limits your progression. You have become a sign seeker. Do you truly think your wisdom outweighs God's?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC "Do you truly think your wisdom outweighs God's? " Well...
It certainly outweighs yours and you claim to be his follower.
Jeanikins 1 year ago
@Jeanikins I agree. God's wisdom is perfect, and I will follow His commandments to the best of my ability. My claim will stand as thus until my time on this earth is completed. I hope you, too, deem God worthy of worship. We are all His children, none greater than the other. I truly believe this. We are all here working out our salvation, and the most rewarding portion of this is lifting another's burdens. Don't waste time tearing down another's chosen faith. Your time is more valuable than this
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Thanks for your testimony. I am still eagerly awaiting your evidence filled reply. Surely if Mormonism is the great galactic truth you will be able to provide mountains of evidence to support your Mormon claims. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Please support your claims oh inspired one.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation What caused your departure from the gospel? If you were once baptized, you, too, experienced the assurance of truth through the gift of the HG. Why do you seek proof you already possess? The BofM warns of the fate you've chosen. "For behold, ye have closed your eyes and ye have rejected the prophets." Prophets told of Christ's coming, yet they had no corporeal evidence. Still, Christ came. Evidence is not the answer, but faith. You knew this once. What happened?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Thanks again for your testimony. Still waiting for your evidence filled reply.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation As a former member, are you familiar with the BofM? What caused you to enter the waters of baptism? What moved you to this decision? "He that keepeth my commandments receiveth truth and light until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things." That you seek truth is honorable. "Behold, ye are little children and cannot bear all things now; ye must grow in grace and the knowledge of truth." "Truth abideth and it hath no end; and if it be in you it shall abound."
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Quoting from one myth to support another does not a sound position make. Please provide the evidence to support your claims.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation You once discovered truth. I can't imagine what led you to reject it. "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth." You can choose to walk in this truth again. That is the beauty of free agency! God knows your heart, and He fully comprehends your struggles. He is a patient and loving God. He desires more than ever that you return to Him. Seek Him, and you will find the truth for which you long to have. Look not to men, but to God. He has never left you
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
To which god? Odin? Mithra? Osiris? Perhaps Zeus? Oh, you mean Yahweh. No thanks, you can keep him. If that's the deity to which you are referring one can do much better than that bloody tyrant of Bronze Age mythological origin. Still waiting for your evidence filled reply to support your claims..
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation
Hey, BOMATOJC can't even answer how many people he has baptized. How can anyone expect him to be honest with any other question.
exmoagogo 1 year ago
@exmoagogo
Facing reality is often just too much to handle for most, especially the fanatic met in our dear friend BOMATOJC. On some level they really know that their testimony is based on bunk, but to admit such is just too much.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
Does the state government's acceptance of the LDS church's corporate name of "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", mean that the state government recognizes and grants to each of the members of this church the title of nobility of "Latter Day Saint" that means a living human saint of today ? And if so, is this unconstitutional ?
trader0108 1 year ago
@trader0108 What an odd question. All men can choose to be a Saint, or follower of Christ. All men cannot choose to be king, an honor recognized by men as noble. As all men are created equal, all men can choose to follow Christ. Why would this be unconstitutional? The constitution was put forth to protect the citizens of this nation from tyranny. How then is being a Saint tyrannical?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
Exmormon Foundation! Keep up the good work! One of these days I can't wait to have both the time and money to go (it seems I always have one but not the other)! I've been exmo for 5 years now and it would be nice to socialize with people who understand where I'm coming from. Good luck!
jlynny1811 2 years ago
@jlynny1811 "Keep up the good work..." What exactly is your work? What is the goal of this organization? Just curious.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
I always find it interesting that people that leave the Church, can never seem to leave it alone! Why do you think that is.
4mykids1 2 years ago
Why do you think that is? (We've never heard that thought stopping cliche before, how unique.) Let me ask you a hypothetical question...If the Church was not true, would you want to know? Remember, this is just a hypothetical because the church is true right? So if it was not, would you want to know?
May I suggest a visit to mormon think d o t c o m for a perusal of the "truth" for your Mormon studies adventure? Thanks for stopping by, and all the best in your continued studies. -EMF
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
@ExmormonFoundation You even respond with gall. Wow. You're not helping your cause. What led you to reject the Savior? Your behavior, regardless of your chosen religion, cannot be compared to that of Christ's. Based on your responses, would you want to be around you?
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Thanks for stopping by for your self-righteous rebuke. Such has been noted, & most certainly recorded by those "angels which are silent notes taking."
Now that you feel better about yourself by treading so close to the scary edge, may we suggest that you continue to do so by investigating the claims of your religion to see if they do indeed hold up to scrutiny, criticism and evidence. An excellent place to begin is at the Mormon run site, MormonThink d o t c o m.
All the best!
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation No, not self-righteous. Just an observation. I'm curious as to why you speak as you do. Sometimes my tendency to express exactly what is on my mind allows for misinterpretation. I sincerely think you would be more successful in promoting your cause if you refrained from sarcasm. I'm not certain what you mean by "scary edge". I find here simply a group of angry people unable to forgive. Not scary. Just sad in the true sense of the word.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
If Mormonism is the great galactic truth, why does the evidence clearly show such not to be the case? Is the Mormon god trying to trick & confuse you? If Mormonism is what you claim it to be, then you should be able to support such beyond simply claiming it to be true. You must support your claims with evidence.
Otherwise your claims are no different from the Scientologist, Lutheran, Baptist, Moonie, Branch Davidian, Raelian, Catholic, FLDS, Muslim, etc. Credible Evidence is the key.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation The confirmation you seek is no longer available to you. As the HG bears witness of the truth of all things, you have closed and locked the door containing the very thing you desire so desperately. Do you not recall the purpose of this life? The reason for the veil? We knew with certainty before we came here. This life affords us the opportunity to demonstrate faith. Ever watch the movie "Conact'? Fine example. My proof? Faith is the true essence of religion (good book).
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@4mykids1 The Spirit is not the only one capable of influencing an individual. Satan has taken down far more than God will recover. There is great sadness in this realization. By their fruits ye shall know them. We speak of Christ and seek to lift others burdens. I have not yet identified what centers a non-believer who once felt the HG. I've observed a strong desire on their part to strike out in anger with insults and name-calling. Fills the void left by the absence of the Spirit.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
Then you are not committed to truth. If the God you worship values truth, then the claims of his prophets and scripture would be validated by truth, evidence and ethic. You are hiding behind your faith in order to avoid discovery. Until you become committed to the truth, you will never see. I believe it was the words of Christ, "And the truth shall make you free." It would seem that you are still not committed to such, and so your delusion will continue. Truth matters, it really does.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
@ExmormonFoundation You are seeking for the scriptures to be validated? What then is faith? Why then are we here? Take great caution in choosing what "truth" you deem worthy. The adversary has provided much "truth" to the world of men. The "truth" you dispel is on sandy ground. Simply observe the body language and tones used by those of your foundation. Is there a sense of peace? Is there a sense of fulfillment? I see only hurt and anger.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
It's very simple. Your religion makes very specific claims about the world around us. Claims such as a global flood, Kolob as the light source for the sun, Kolob, Tower of Babel, Lamanites, Adam & Eve, Origins of Man in N. America etc. The onus is always on the claimant, in this case Mormonism to support its claims with evidence. It has none. If the claim cannot be supported then it is just an empty claim, a fantasy. Faith is to bridge to the unknown, not to cover or ignore the known.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Known according to whom? Facts change as knowledge is gained. The earth was once flat, and all things revolved around it. Columbus fought these "truths" and was greatly ridiculed. There was indeed a global flood, and perhaps in time man will acquire the knowledge base necessary to accept this. Can we confirm Kolob? Not at present. Neither can we disprove it. The onus is on the claimant where man is concerned, never God. That is why the HG is referred to as a "gift".
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@ExmormonFoundation Beautiful way of defining faith. :) I like it. Do I know with certainty that God speaks to man? No. I have faith that He does, and I have put this faith to the test. I've followed the promptings of the HG when everything worldly points in the opposite direction. Many times. That God has never let me down is proof enough for me. Why is this not enough for you? Why do you seek corporeal proof for the divine? This path will lead you nowhere, and the emptiness will remain.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Please support your claims with evidence. Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Eagerly awaiting your evidence filled reply.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
So there you go, obfuscate, excuse and retreat. The typical Mormon ploy when confronted with the cold hard truth about your religion and its founder. You are a pretender sir. You are someone who is not committed to truth, but to delusion at all costs.
Please continue to research. There is far more to the picture than you allow yourself to accept. Stand for something, stand for truth. Have the courage and ethic to see if the claims and evidence are supported outside of your own mind.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
I am sorry my friend my will is one of God and not of man. I discredit nothing you claim or wish to content at all. Is my own ego so big that I think God needs my help to defend his church? I think not. But I do however wish to understand more of people like you who leave the spirit of Christ and trade it for EGO. How long has it been since you felt the spirit. Which by the way is the only way to find the truth of any and all things. You know this to be true. How long?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
There you go again. These are your claims, this is your religion and it is evident that truth is something you do not value. Do not pretend to be pious, and morally superior. This arrogance belies an inner insecurity. Please answer the questions posed to you. Do you stand for truth and are you committed to such?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
Commited to Christ. I would say is where my commitment lies. Commited to chairty, faith, goodworks, hope. These are things I am commited to. Being commited to truth? I am not sure that it is even possible. I am commited to the holy spirit. And he can show me the truth of all things. But the truth of man without the spirit. NO i am definitly not commited to the truths of another man. Except maybe Christ.But i am sure even he experience being wrong a time or two.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
@marcopolo8765 I am curious as well and have said as much, though I do not believe ego is the root of their dissension. It most certainly plays a part. Satan is at the heart of this perplexing behavior. When presented with a choice, we can draw nearer to God or turn away. Just as the ability to recognize the Spirit grows over time, so does Satan's influence over us if we allow. Satan is careful, works gradually. You can see evidence in their "fruit" that the adversary speaks through them.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
My world is one of charity, faith, hope, kindness, and love. It is a great time to be a latter day saint. Never before have so many blessings been available to the saints. To have, read and learn from the fullness of the complete gospel, and to have the aid of the holy spirit with me daily, are huge blessings in my life that have helped me threw some of the hardest times in my life. Everytime I have fed my own ego and listened not to Christ. It has made my life considerably worse.muchlikeyours
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
when a person begins to believe that truth. There truth, someone elses truth, Just the word truth in itself is more important than God. Well thats when you know you've got a real problem in your life. See truth can mean many, many different things to many, many different people. Christ only means one thing to everyone. Can you see where you may have gone wrong in life?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
That's an incredible mind pretzel you live in, not uncommon for a believer, yet incredible nonetheless. Yours is a magical world of revelatory rocks, underwear which guards you from evil, world wide floods & magically disappearing civilizations. Remember, you're talking about a religion which was started by a guy who recieved revelations from God from a rock in his hat. Good luck with that, you've got your work cut out for you.
All the best in your continued studies.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
its really simple actually. Either you listen to the spirit and words of Christ.( You can hear them much more clearly if you live you life in tune with his teachings) or you choose a life of sin and ego. And distance yourself from the spirit and his teachings. For most when they cannot overcome there sin or there own ego perhaps. They begin to look for fault in Christ. Cause they can't possilbly be wrong. It must be the church that is wrong. So I will find some truth to back me up. Doesn't work.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
The sad thing is you assume you stand on the moral high ground here, where in reality you do not. Any Mormon who turns a blind eye to the truth about Smith and his "activities", the BoM and the world in which we live forfeits the ethics and morality necessary to make such high statements. Let's test your commitment to truth shall we?
How many wives did Smith have? How many were married to other men at the time of his relationship with them? How old was the youngest?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
Why did Smith lie about his relationships to his wife Emma? Why did he lie to the membership of the church about his plural marriages? Why did he lie to the world at large regarding this "doctrine?" Shall we go on?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
Let's just list some of the many things which have to be true for Mormonism to be true:
1. The sun gets its light from Kolob
2. The earth was completely covered by water
3. Ancient man began in North America not in Africa
4. There was a real Tower of Babel
5. All languages had their origins at said tower.
6. A set of magic crystals allowed Smith to see hidden things, including buried treasure.
7. The facsimiles in the BoA are actual translations from Egyptian into English
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
8. The Book of Mormon is an acutual history of real events in ancient America, despite the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the claims made in the book.
9. An angel of God really did appear to Smith and threaten his life if he did not have extra marital affairs.
10. The City of Enoch was a real place and was transported, land and all from the earth. Early journals record the location as the Gulf of Mexico.
Shall we go continue?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
It takes a commitment to truth to become disposed to accept the logical consequences of your beliefs even when they conflict with what others tell you or what you want to believe.
Truth matters, and your hiding behind some pretended moral superiority will never hide the fact that you are not committed to such, your belief system and your desire to be right at all costs prevents it.
Have the courage to research. Who knows what you may find, truth perhaps?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
I have found something that no man can touch, no thief can steal, no enemy can hurt, and no ego can corrupt. You can continue to seek your truth. If you look hard enough you will find anything. But it takes a saint to believe, live, and have faith in Christ. I choose to be a saint.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
Again you fail. Is your God a God of truth? Does truth even matter to this God? You seem to be such a keen follower of this deity, yet you do not seem to share this value of your God. It is not my truth, it is called truth. If someone lies, and claims are proven invalid, then it cannot be considered truth, no matter how much we want it to be so. One must be prepared to accept truth no matter where it may lead, or what delusion it may destroy. Truth matters. It really does.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
sorry for having failed you. I believe truth matters as well. How we find our own truth. Well doesn't that matter also. You still have not answered my question though. How long has it been? How long have you been without the spirit?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
You see, you try to conform reality to what is inside your head, again you belie your arrogance and lack of commitment to truth. Truth is self-evident and can be readily found by all, not some subjective warm fuzzy. Your statement of testimony says more about you than it does about the world in which we live. When you try and pull your claims back into the world of the metaphysical you have once again proven your lack of commitment for truth and ceded that truth does not support your position.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
I have no postion to support, except maybe that I am a child of God as are we all. And the postion that you seem to support is one of condemning, contention, and self rightousness. When you stand against something. That does not mean you stand for anything. And when you do not stand for something. Well then you will easily fall for anything. So in not answering my question. I suppose that you never have felt the spirit then. Or is it just to painful to answer Nothing is what you will become. Fre
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
Oh brother. It must be hard to go anywhere smelling like a burnt martyr. Climb down off of your stake and stand for something beyond senseless hyperbole.
Your definition of "spirit" is something felt the world over in countless religions. Your emotional responses to your religion are not unique, you may want them to be so, but they are part of the human universal and not confined to the Mormon believer.
Truth matters, no matter how you try to pretend it does not. All the best in your studies.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
200 years ago, again, you have no proof of any of these accuzations except for OH THATS RIght. The churches own records. That we still to this day do not hide. I love it when apostates use our own records against us. Just another proof that it is the true chruch of Christ because we dont hide from our past. We make it public. Each and every part of it. its your own ego that makes you blind to the truth. A very human trait. Don't even you deserve to have the spirit in your life? Howlonghasitbeen
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
Just keep repeating that to yourself over and over again. You see, your answers to me show your lack of commitment to truth. You would rather disparage, cast judgment and remain safely within the confines of your fantasy rather than investigate the claims you and your religion make. These are your claims, and they require evidence to back them up. So once again, let's see where your commitment to truth stands shall we?
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
Let's just list some of the many things which have to be true for Mormonism to be true:
1. The sun gets its light from Kolob
2. The earth was completely covered by water
3. Ancient man began in North America not in Africa
4. There was a real Tower of Babel
5. All languages had their origins at said tower.
6. A set of magic crystals allowed Smith to see hidden things, including buried treasure.
7. The facsimiles in the BoA are actual translations from Egyptian into English
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
8. The Book of Mormon is an acutual history of real events in ancient America, despite the contradictions and lack of evidence to support the claims made in the book.
9. An angel of God really did appear to Smith and threaten his life if he did not have extra marital affairs.
10. The City of Enoch was a real place and was transported, land and all from the earth. Early journals record the location as the Gulf of Mexico.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
It takes a commitment to truth to become disposed to accept the logical consequences of your beliefs even when they conflict with what others tell you or what you want to believe.
ExmormonFoundation 2 years ago
If you would like to put me on the moral high ground thats fine I suppose. But I got to tell ya. It a lot harder to climb up than to fall down. As for my commitment, I am commited to Christ and his teachings. As for Joseph Smith. Yes he was a prophet of God. Yes he did have more than 1 wife. So let me ask you. Were you around 200 years ago. Or 2000 years ago (bible). No, No you were not. So how can you even pass judgement on something you never experienced. Or never will experience.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
@ExmormonFoundation Ah, here we go. I should've thought to look at previous dialogue. An actual list of your concerns. I will give these facts of yours some thought. But, you must, of course, be willing to submit your "proof". And, remember, man does not possess at this time the knowledge necessary to demonstrate the truth of all things. Fortunately, God has provided the HG. I view this as a fascinating debate, nothing more. I know whose child I am. If only you knew who you are.
BOMATOJC 1 year ago
@BOMATOJC
Please provide the evidence to support your claims. If the world and Mormonism are as you say they are, please support your claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
ExmormonFoundation 1 year ago
One day I'll make it to one of these confrences. Great work you guys and gals!
cowdragon 3 years ago
Thanks. Glad you like the vids.
ExmormonFoundation 3 years ago
I am an EX-Jehovah Witness and i can understand these conferences, we have so much in common with the brainwashing and the lies. Thank you for doing this great work. Don't forget about your Ex-Jehovah Witness brothers/sisters who suffer the same as you.I hope you continue to show the truth about Mormonism and i will continue to show the truth about the Watchtower! Thank You! These Cults are both very evil!
GreatGizaGODof1914 3 years ago
thank you for posting the conference, I really wanted to go but couldn't make it.
topaz61 3 years ago
Encouraging to see all you guys together. I am going to a conference soon here in the UK which will have ex-Mormons there. From this, I hope to do some interviews and put them up here.
Shazoolo 3 years ago 2
@Shazoolo You said you were hoping to put up some interviews from the UK. I am very interested in those; have you done it yet? Hope so and also that your conference went well.
Jeanikins 1 year ago
@Jeanikins Hi, that won't be until I go to a conference in Feb 2011. I have done others interviews of people's testimonies from a variety of backgrounds though. Check out my vid archives.
Shazoolo 1 year ago