Éire, Alba, Ellan Vannin, Cymru, Breizh, and Kernow all will be independent and the world will see our beautiful cultures and languages. God Bless the broyow Keltek! Support the Celtic League.
@shezhunting Bro goth agan tasow, dha flehes a'th car / Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar? / War oll an norvys 'th on ni scollys a-les / Mes agan kerensa yw dhis ................................... Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow / An mor hedre vo en fos dhis a-dro / 'Th on onen hag oll rag Kernow!............................ Gwlascor Myghtern Arthur, an Sens kens, ha'n Gral / Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh aral / Ynnos sy pub carn, nans, menydh ha chi / A gows en Kernowek dhyn ni.
@brettsworld99 - Look friend I am checking you out a bit more - and I see that you may have not started out with any ill intention - so I am going to withdraw being heavy and just say that you have to be careful who you offend - even when you may have not had any intention to. That is the problem with humour - what is funny to one person is not funny to some others. Maybe there are lessons here for us all.
We are circulating a petition calling on the government to recognise the Cornish as a National minority. It has been created by a Cornish person who is not a member of any political party or organisation but who is very concerned at what is happening in Cornwall. Please sign it and pass it on to your friends. We want to protect what there is left before all is lost !:
h t tp ://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2835
@Clarice007 but they are older so learning them will allow you to have a bigger smug face :D :D, english is a west frisian germanic language , hardly old british language
@theinfinatetroll - Nice try. The Kernowyon are the Beaker folk - 'beaker folk' and 'celtic' are both very largely constructs of anglo-saxon orthodox archaeology. They are misleading and in many ways false concepts. The Kernowyon-in your language=the original and ancient Cornu-British (as recognised by the Federation of Old Cornwall Societies and Welch researchers such as Baram Blackett). The old racial distinction of the swarthy people of Cornwall and South Wales confirms this.Race not culture
It is quite astounding how videos like these go up, a few cornish people might comment and suddenly there's a barrage of hate about how we're this and that, wanting independence, saying we can **** off and see how long we'd last without the government. You don't have to be that extreme to be proud of where your from. People I've met across the country have always said they wished they had a connection to their heritage that makes them proud. I cant see why it bothers people so much!
@theinfinatetroll Then maaaybe, just maaaybe you should get a better focus and start really opposing that, what is destroying peoples lifes FIRST instead of bragging about (as you put it) "some nationalist extremists". Seems quite.. stuipid to me, to brag about a handful of people, who prolly won't achieve anything, while on teh same time, israel destroys peoples accomplishments and lifes. Maybe you should get some focus in your debates.
@theinfinatetroll So what? As I said: the jews did exactly that as well. All they had was a book where peopel weren't sure how to pronounce the words. Plus they stole a piece of land, because "their" ancestors (which they are not) lived there like thousands of years ago. Today, Jews are nothing more but defined by religion. Nothing else, really. So Why don't you go and say something agains THEM? They are destroying other peoples LIFES and accomplishments with it. But nah, eh?
@Valvallaria - Well said. This person 'theinfinatetroll' I am sure is paid by the so-called intelligence services to patrol comment boards like this and pour scorn on minorities like the Cornish to keep them down. It is so transparent it is laughable. The answer is to post in Kernewek - using the language to defeat this type of imperialism. I understand that in Cheltenham where most of this activity is based they have software that allows one operator to control 10 web identities. Why pay tax.
@theinfinatetroll If, by your logic, that wouldn't be possible, then uclture would have always been the same - just to mention. Or you would have to kill off the people practicing it alltogether and replace them with new ones. But noooo. Instead it was a shift. So, why shouldn't that happen once again? Hmm maybe because that would undermine everythign you just said and, if enough would follow it, would leat just once again to a cultural change.. but nah, eh?
@theinfinatetroll *facepalm* god. Tell ne. How do you define culture. tell me. Do it. NOW. Culture ALWAYS was shaped by the fashion and what people liked and disliked doring the ages. Liek it or not. If teh cornish want to adapt things to tehir own culture, you have no argument against it, becasue it would be like trying to argue that languages always have been the same (which teh have not). They just like cultures have always been changed by peopel who liked other traditiosn better.
@theinfinatetroll "being english" or "being whatever" is actually hard to say. That is determined by borders which always change - and today, being "nelish" is nothing more but a word on a piece of paper, since you just have to be born tehre (by accident) to be english. The real thing would be how you behave. And if people deem traditions worthy of assimilation from otehr parts? So what? Welcome in the world of cultures. It has ALWAYS happened that way.
@theinfinatetroll Indeed, why not? I couldn't care less if england, or any other country broke apart, really. And As I told you. CULTURE IS FASHION YOU... It ALWAYS was. It ALWAYS was what people thought to be good. That's all. So get that stick out of your a... ears and start seeing culture for what it really is: ist what peopel do and how they behave. That's why they change, you know, and that is why people can shape cultures. Sheesh.
@theinfinatetroll So what exactly is related for example with a name for a culturegroup and "people calling themselves"? So Yah, we classify cultures. Get that into your head - and that is why we have the celtic culturegroup. Hellp, it doesn#t even matter where the word "celt" comes from. NOT AT ALL. Fact is that they belong to the same culturegroup, and honestly, I trust hundreds of historians, bound by teh scientiffic method, more than one guy on the web and someone writing a book.
@theinfinatetroll What have you shown? Faulty logic? Indeed you have. And so what? I don't have a greek keyboard so go and know yourself please. Do you actually expect me, to think that an army of historians, all bound by the scientiffic method, did not see the light of this one person that changes eeeverything? Ya right. And I at least know that one can be german AND for example a berliner, which you seem to totally ignore with the Byzantinum and the roman empire.
@theinfinatetroll Oh and one more thing: The byzantinum was named after The greek: Βυζάντιο[ν] or today istanbul. Byzantinum is just a latinzied version of the greek word. You my friend, do not even seem to know that Byzántion was a and is city. A CITY. The byzantines were simply the people from there. Your case has officially collapsed.
@theinfinatetroll Tell that the jews.They constructed their language as well. They were not even sure how it would be pronoucned. All they had were a book full of rituals in a language which no one could even really speak anymore (that's why the pronoucniation differs a LOT in the torah hebrew) and even less people actually understand. (and no one spke as their motehrtongue). Where is teh difference? The jews did it, so why not the cornish?
@theinfinatetroll Srsly? Because a certain culturegroup never uses a word from a different languagefamily to discribe themselves (keltoi = greek) so that makes them not those people... yah.. that's why the germans never used the term Skxawng to describe themselves, that makes them not german...? Even though their historical language and culture are the same family? Yeah right. Srsly, That must be the worst point I have heared.
@theinfinatetroll You say you can't pick and choose - then let it happen and stfu. If it happens, it is what these people wnat there, if it doesn't it is just anotehr cultural.. "wave". So what exactly are you bragging baout here? a) Independance has nothing to do with culture really.b) culture is what peopel do - every day. customs and whatever. c) if tehy want their language back - even reconstructed, it's once again culture at work.
@theinfinatetroll If you want to be roman. fine by me. See wether you can get others to join in. Maybe one day you'll have a majority. Or maybe not. My bet is that you have no connection to anything but english. I live in an anrea with a minority language and I also do speak it. So I'd say that is something you will never REALLY understand. Anyway, what you are here fighting is just, once again a cultural change, just like it happened with englsih etc at that time.You are contradicting yourself
@theinfinatetroll It does not matter wether they speak english and maybe even act english. Fact is: they had their own language - and actually it hasn't been too long ago as well that it finally died out. If they revive their language -even reconstructed and them ajority wants independance, to me, no one has the right to deny that to them. independance has nothing to do with culture. It never has. It's simply a matter of a large number of people (majority), wanting independance.
@theinfinatetroll Nope. *facepalm* God, you you really don't get it, or Are you doint that on purpose? That Isn't my logic nor is it logic at all. Culture is totally relative - it simply is what people do and what people deem fashionable. THAT IS what changes culture and that is what creates new cultures. it always ha been. YOur whole bragging about that is totally irrelevant. a) the people from cornwall are decendants of the old kernewek sepakers, thus brythons and celts. (cont)
@theinfinatetroll 'reinvent' Srsly, you are talking bullshit now. Reconstruct - and yes it is. After all, that's what the jews did with hebrew as well. And a HUUUUUUUGE part of tier words are actually from ARABIC! Independance is a god damn right for everyone - so whyn ot for a group of people? If the majority of them wants to govern themselves instead of being governed - yes, they have any right.
@theinfinatetroll Troll. No culture has to be "superioir" to be a nation. Actually, the same culture can have 2 seperate nations as well. (see bavaria and large parts of austria. They are often more alike than they'd like to admit.) YOur logic lacks... well logic. And I have just read some articles of that.. author. I'm surprised how he made it through university... IF it's true. He does not seem to understand the scientiffic method AT ALL.
@theinfinatetroll Now from where did you pull that number? 15 million... My ass. Sources please. NOW. Being celt is today a lot different. You can't even say you are "english" if you are from england very often nowadays, give the high rate of genetic influences from everywhere. Your argument does not hold water. But you know,many invented that loophole that somehow being born on a piece of dirt gives you that nationality, regardless what culture you live. Now THAT is bullshit.
@theinfinatetroll As I said: CUlture is nothing else but an accumulation of things that once have been fashion. FACT. Fashions which have been carried to this day for whatever reasons. I know that you don't want to understand or acknowledge this because it would make your whole thing collapse. You seem to think that "culture" is somehow something supernatural, that flies over the countires and thus defines them. It is not. It is what people DO and thing is.. well fashionable.
@theinfinatetroll Latin still exists, troll. Even if it's only in the vatican - but there it was never dead. Why do you revive Hebrew? Could just have used englsih. Would have been a lot less expensive. Thing is: You can't give it back to anythign if they aren ot there anymore. The cornish people however ARE. Mixed, but still there. Making their claim a lot more valid than some now nonexistant tribes. After your reasoning there woldn't be ANY 'good argument'.
@theinfinatetroll Why should *I* do it? I don't even live in Cornwall. 2nd. COrnish was spoken there and it was a celtic/brythonic language, thus making the people of cornwall somewhat celtic and celtic descendants. Like it or not. You will not change it. It is simply getting back to what was taken away long ago. A reverse process of what the english did to that piece of land, so to speak.
@theinfinatetroll So? Who cares? What isn't fashion? EVERYTHING in culture is fashion - ever thought of that? No, of course not. Just as I've expected. Traditional clothing - wasn't that fashion at that time? feasts and other traditions - weren't there also some sort of fashion? everything in culture is fashion, really. Culture IS fashion. Culture is pretty much everything speciffic people do. And if they embrace their celtic historyo nce again, it is just once again a change in culture.
@theinfinatetroll But, y'know, Maybe I am fuirious, but maybe i'm just fed up with people like you, who proclaim crap, yet lack any knowledge whatsoever. And so what - even if more peopel speak klingon - what does that proove? It proves that trekkies are more interested in fictional languages than a revived reconstructed one, that in some form has already existed.THAT'S IT.That's ALL that it tells us. AND I still am waiting for your "studies", and not more claism form your side like you just did
@Valvallaria In addition: The Letter of the native speaker William Bodinar from 1776, older, medieval sources etc, are a little bit more than.. "some words" Srsly, get your facts right. One Text alone would be enough to at least get an idea - We know for a fact that cornish was a celtic and bythonic language. It had all the properties a celtic language had. What you claim is like saying lowgerman is no germanic language.
@theinfinatetroll Did you actually read? No, you didn't. a) I was talking about welsh. So were you. Cornish =/= welsh. Some words are enough to tell the mainstream of words. One or two maybe loanwords, but if the vast majority of words you have are infact of brythonic origin (same as the welsh language) , and thus also celtic origin, they are. And oh wonder. hundreds of years of occupation and colonisation.. and you srsly put up that culture argument? really?
@theinfinatetroll Buy and read a book. Or a god damned lexicon. a) Genetics actually show the (real) welsh people are related to other celtic tribes. Their languages are related and so is their mytology.. So, wtf do you want more? A genetic tatoo from god himself declaring that they belong to the celtic group? srsly, you made the counterclaim first, so I'd suggest YOU start showing your "studies".
@disjoinedchip2 same here lad same here hope wales gets what they want aswell to be free and scotland England is a bugger isnt it lol but kernow to be free is just a dream
@cornubian not many speakers left such a shame this language needs to be more introduced to every one i only speak little am still in process of learning it MY SELF as it was not introduced to me growing up wonder whos fault that is England lol also there is a e petion needs 100,000 signatures for a Cornish assembly make us cornish not english but still remain part of the UK please sign will take only 5 seconds i cant post the link on here for some reasons but look up e ptitions google
English, come, visit, stay a while but remember, just like Scotland, Wales and Ireland, it isn't England ! It is part of the British Isles but never England.
Kernow yw konna tyr orth penn Breton Veur. Kernow yw bro Geltek ha Kernewek Agan yeth
@theinfinatetroll Anyway. fact is: science has established that the welsh ARE celtic - whine about it as muc has you want. Science has established that they ARE celtic nations - and there is no controversy about it. Science is on the side of the descendants of the celts. They win. You loose.
@theinfinatetroll Proof. I want to see the scientiffic papers which conclude that. You want the same for my slaim about the languages? Buy some linguisim books about them. There you have all you need. You sir have a substantially lack of knowledge what the celts actually where. It wouldn't be surprising that the celts didn't do much about genetics- after all, the where spread over almost the whole of goddmaned europe. Facto: welsh irish etc are celtic languages. Argue as muc has you want.
@theinfinatetroll Nontheless, Welsh, Irish, Manx, Cornish are all celtic languages of the same language group. Saying that they only asserted it as "celts" in the 18th and 19th century is quite stupid, for the languages themselves alone show they are. Linguistics alone has established that. Plus "celts" comes from latin or greek: lat: celtae/ galli or greek keltoi/ galatai meaning "the brave/noble" and they were far far further spead - the celts even were in or around anatolia
@Premium101 PISS OFF POM I'M AN AUSSIE WITH CORNISH HERITAGE. THE CORNISH ARE BRYTHONIC CELTS AND MORE RELATED TO THE WELSH, BRETONS AND ALSO SCOTS. BY THE WAY SCUM ENGLISCHMAN ENGLISH ARE FUCKING GERMANS WHO SLAUGHTERED AND RAPED THE NATIVE BRITS. LEARN SOME HISTORY CUNT..........
@RenfieldHurtmore umm english is a construct after the saxons united against danelaw (viking invasion)......brythons is the word you are looking for.......even dover is from the old welsh dwfr = water (its a deep water port)
@RenfieldHurtmore thats wrong I have to say lol.....culturally i would agree but genetically most ppl on this island date back to the first iberian settlers...still much to research though :)
this is a cultural war not DNA....hence why moderate views are what are needed in the struggle
THE HERETIC PRISCILIANO , BORN IN 340 YEAR (ASTUR-GALAICO), DEAD IN 385 YEAR,TRIERS-TREVERIS . THE FRIEND OF OTHER HERETIC FRENCH OR HERETIC ARMORICANE ,WHOSE NAME IS PELLAGGIO (V.c) BIESKA=WOOD, FOREST.
@Clarice007 it's also the tune of the breton national anthem and has been since the 19th century. the brythonic languages all share the same tune... the breton national anthem is used widely and no one seems to get confused.
@ejr161 Yes. Except it was written by a Welsh man, in Wales, in 1856, to go with the words of mae hen wlad fy nhadau...anything else is a cover version.
Lovely song. This is a much more fitting National Anthem for Cornwall than The Song of the Western Men, also known as Trelawney.
I'm in Scotland and it makes me angry that millions of pounds is spent promoting Gaelic on the basis that "Gaelic is the native language of Scotland." Wrong. Gaelic was brought to Scotland by immigrants from Ireland. The true native language of Scotland is Pictish.
Before the Picts, the Neanderthals are said to have used grunts and gestures, not a real language.
@alunhughes147 That should actually by Cymru am Byth (byth with a 'y' rather that 'i'). It's strange hearing the tune of Hen Wlad fy Nhadau with different lyrics, but I love it! Same goes for Bro Gozh Ma Zadoú. :D
In fact brythonic speaking kingdoms in scotland like strathclyde, Manau gododdun, matane and Rhyged all called them brythonic. But their culture deviated after the roman occupation of the island and they developed a sister language and culture to the brythonic celts. Pretty much they kept the old ways like the druids and art well into the 5th century when all other celts were christian.
@seonidh will have to look into this further...my understanding was that the picts were the indigenous people (well, as far back as we can reliably trace!), then the goidelic speakers came over from belgae to inhabit both islands, then the brythonic celts came over from europe too and pushed them out to ireland - and subsequently the scotti came back over through argyll into scotland. clearly i spent more time studying the dumnonian migrations to brittany than the northern brits!
not bad, but better if a cornish voice had sung it - whilst good, the singer is undoubtedly welsh with q pretty thick accent so we don't really here the sound of good cornish - kernow ha dewnans bys vykken
@KrisdashPaul What a great comment, well put together, well informed and great use of the ENGLISH language. Reading this makes me so proud to be English..An English Celt in fact
@athiestsshallburn What exactly do you mean by "traditional englander insult"? You aint even Cornish so why the hell are you on here anyway? You are just jumping on this bandwagon of a hopeless cause and it's got bugger all to do with you..
I also cannot help but notice that right wing evangelist nutters and catholic Irish nutters are all over this issue as well, don't tell me this wonderful, right-wing nation you propose will be a theocracy as well, good luck, I hope they don't teach your kids to reintroduce stoning, repress women and introduce creationism into your schools.
I dont know one single Cornish person that speaks Cornish, let alone that would vote for a Cornish speaking (right-wing) political party and tha raises a a point really doesn't it, if practically no-one votes for Mebyon Kernow, ten practically no-one wants Cornish independence except the kind of childish moron you see ranting on here or hatemailing peple on here
@themightyrara couple of points 1 do you live in Cornwall? I know quite a few Cornish speakers and there is a strong belife in Cornish independence 2 Mebyon Kernow like most people involved in Cornish independence are left wing, I think you should check your views you might find your more right wing than you think. 3 Catholic Irish nutters? if your talking about the prayer book rebellion check your history, it's an important part of Cornish history
More jibes at us with the typical inbred jokes, well so original. I don't disagree with you that we haven't all been mixed up through out Britain but being Cornish is also a state of mind. It's about preserving and promoting our heritage and language not the bollocks history your taught in school, that it started with Romans and ends up with Henry the eighth. I don't see why non Cornish get so upset over this, oh and London is middle earth! Middle shit hole more like. I know where i would live!
@cornwallgeezer I agree with you that London is a shit hole. I went there last year for the first time in 15 years and couldn't wait to get away from the place. As for preserving heritage, I would agree that every English county should do there bit.
@athiestsshallburn I agree but as you know people in Cornwall are talking about independence so were going to get more little englanders using hateful comments but that proves there arguments are baseless, in my view if you argue back logically and let them know your not going to back down they will give up in the end, if you don't say something they'll carry on posting spiteful comments.
@Rigmaster22 The prayer book rebellion (changing latin service to english) a petion was sent to edward VI one of the lines stated" we the Cornyshe men,whereof certain of us understande no englyshe,utterly refuse thys newe service".After the rebellion was put down one of the punishments was the prayer book would not be translated into Cornish only english,the common prayer book was translated into Welsh, which is why the Welsh language has survived and Cornish became secondry to english:
kernow bys viken!!! clearly black hair is a west british phenotype...welsh and cornish! just go round the valleys (particularly south wales/de cymru a'r fro forgannwg) and west cornwall/pedn an bydh hag an vro gwealow and see! red is gaelic/viking import including late Irish migrations into Britain. anyhow, what ought an anthropolgist to know? :-) the surf is high, the heather fragrant and choughing 'eck - the west country is best :-)
look at the heads of the male members of the Irish Doil and compare the hirsutness(?) of the so called Anglo-Saxons.We have a culture,we have music and stories and theatre,they(William Hague) just dream of my full mop.But as always they get the last laugh -I have to pay to get the hippy look off every 6 months.Where's Delilah when you need her?Cornishman...Yay is Da
the celtic red hair is more prevalent in scotland, in wales i think its more gold colour hair although some red ,not sure about cornwal or brittany, england is generally darker
interesting...red certainly in ireland and scotland due to the vikings...wales and cornish (and devonians fled to brittany) more dark...england plenty of fair saxon hair...compare essex to the valleys...
@dewnansek i'm from the west of Britain myself (South Devon) and most people there have dark brown hair. I happened to be in East Anglia once and they are a lot taller and fairer there. It was like being in another country! Also the hair type is different, theirs is finer and straighter. I've got thick wavy hair like many Celts.
i don't get cornish independance.... Cuase the country tha tthye calim to representing isn't cornwall its Dumnonia... and in which case they have to include Devon and huge chunks of Dorset and Somerset to...
devon (devnon n dropped cos too tricky to elide) is a corruption of dewnans/devnant (cornish) or dyfnaint (welsh) from the latin dumnonia which came from old celtic domnona for the whole of the south west peninsula including much of somerset (gwlas an haf/gwlad yr haf). it was called West Wales by the Saxons . good guess at de avon however, which would obviously be je an owen in modern cornish...or de'r afon if using older 'welsh' celtic. all the old devonians fled to brittany twixt 600-900ad
055scaldwa, Dr Rees at Edinburgh university has shown that 25% indigenous Welsh carry the "ginger" gene. Maybe it doesn't mean you have orange ginger hair but a pale, freckled complexion and a ginger beard?
@cornwallgeezer Oh, right. So there's been no interbreeding with the rest of the UK in the last 2000 years then? Or perhaps that it really is true - that the Cornish are all inbred.
@Rigmaster22 a quote from the book the story of Cornwall by A K Hamilton Jenkin
published November 1934 " Cornwall is not england nor is a Cornishman of the same race as an englishman.The Cornish like the Welsh are the trure British people,they were inhabiting this island long before the english came,the Cornish people of course married with english people but they are not of english blood".So as I've told you before if you've nothing intresting to say get lost.
Bro goth agan tasow, dha flehes a'th kar, Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar? War oll an norvys 'th on ni scollys a-les, Mes agan kerensa yw dhis. Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow; An mor hedra vo yn fos dhis a-dro 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow! Gwlascor Myghtern Arthur, an Sens kens, ha'n Gral Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh aral, Ynnos sy pub carn, nans, menydh ha chi A gews yn Kernowek dhyn ni. Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow; etc etc. (chorus continues...)
Love you Cornish guys - long have the Welsh longed for their brothers - and you are for sure our brothers - it's lovely keep it up - well done - yn dda iawn
Stick at it guys for we are your brothers and love you - i'r gad - to the battle - the Welsh have won (mostly) and I ant to see you win - bugger all downhearts and detracors
Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are all the real Britons, no reason they shouldn't share it... The "wall" in "Cornwall" comes from the same word that "Wales/Welsh" does too, they speak different languages now but they once were in every sense the same people.
Not really, seeing as there where people there before, dont try to claim things, be happy with who you are but dont pretend you are the origional britons, because i bet you are a bit rascist, Most cornish men arent but the one who claim to be the "true" britons usually are.
"Briton" in the original sense didn't mean anyone from the island but people of a particular cultural-linguistic group that gave rise to the Breton, Cornish and Welsh nations. I'm Anglo-Gaelic so definitely not some kind of racist Cornishman or something...
Also, I wholly support the Cornish/Welsh even the Bretons in calling themselves the true Britons, Anglo-Saxons and all the newer people to come to the island aren't Britons anymore than people in New York City are Lenape indians (the original inhabitants). The only reason English people started calling themselves Britons was so that they could redefine the idea of "Britishness" into "Anglo-Saxonness" and subvert Cornish, Welsh and Scottish national identities.
Cornwall and Wales hasn't been static since the 6th century, there has been much population/ligustic movement since and only some people there have names in those languages. "British" means "from Britain", simple. I'm British even though my family moved here from Ireland in recent times. People who specifically speak Welsh and Breton as native could be deemed "Brythonic" is a lingustic sense (Cornwall is 100% English speaking). Also England hasn't been truely Anglo-Saxon in culture since 1066 .
@Counterrevolutionite Absolutely agreed, especially the last sentence. The "anglo-saxons" as such officially ceased to exist in 1066. And practically every English person I know has got Irish, Scottish, Cornish or Welsh blood.
Agreed. The English are from Denmark, Saxony and Northern Holland. Quite late immigrants, just before the Normans. To hear them talk, it's like they've been here for ever!
@seonidh hi, agreed with the exception of the Picts who were the inhabitants of the Scotland area even before the goidelic celts (gaels) squeezed them up into the far highlands...the picts might have been proto-gaels but were definitely not brittonic celts
@dewnansek they were brythonic celts in the sense that during the roman invasion they were not seen as being from Hibernia both culturally or from Ireland or Gaels for that matter. They were British and the same as the celts in the south. You can see brythonic language in the pictish lands with ABER-deen and the welsh ABER-istwyth, aber meaning mouth of a river. The dividing line could be during the roman influences when the Pictish culture developed without a roman influence.
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Éire, Alba, Ellan Vannin, Cymru, Breizh, and Kernow all will be independent and the world will see our beautiful cultures and languages. God Bless the broyow Keltek! Support the Celtic League.
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@shezhunting Bro goth agan tasow, dha flehes a'th car / Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar? / War oll an norvys 'th on ni scollys a-les / Mes agan kerensa yw dhis ................................... Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow / An mor hedre vo en fos dhis a-dro / 'Th on onen hag oll rag Kernow!............................ Gwlascor Myghtern Arthur, an Sens kens, ha'n Gral / Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh aral / Ynnos sy pub carn, nans, menydh ha chi / A gows en Kernowek dhyn ni.
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kerhk 2 months ago
welsh anthem? in cornish? cool
brettsworld99 5 months ago
@brettsworld99 Yeah, the tune is the same, but the words are obviously different. Kernow is the Cornish word for Cornwall.
Actar411 3 months ago
@brettsworld99 - Look friend I am checking you out a bit more - and I see that you may have not started out with any ill intention - so I am going to withdraw being heavy and just say that you have to be careful who you offend - even when you may have not had any intention to. That is the problem with humour - what is funny to one person is not funny to some others. Maybe there are lessons here for us all.
cornubian 1 day ago
@cornubian i was merely pointing out that the rocks looked like "lol"
brettsworld99 1 day ago
Well, I'm Dutch and not Cornish in any way, but I've already started learning the language, and I'm quite sure I'm going to continue to. :)
EgleTristanw 6 months ago 4
@EgleTristanw say-something-in-welsh website will be doing a cornish version in the future :)
3tangle3 4 months ago 3
We are circulating a petition calling on the government to recognise the Cornish as a National minority. It has been created by a Cornish person who is not a member of any political party or organisation but who is very concerned at what is happening in Cornwall. Please sign it and pass it on to your friends. We want to protect what there is left before all is lost !:
h t tp ://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2835
First circulated by: CornishNeverEnglish
cornubian 6 months ago
I think I'm going to learn Old English and start a campaign for independence! It can be like the breakup of the Soviet Union!
Clarice007 6 months ago
@Clarice007 what about the languages in "england" before old english.....like the brythonic celtic language "cumbric" of northern england ;)
3tangle3 4 months ago
@3tangle3 Steady on! One step at a time....
Clarice007 3 months ago
@Clarice007 but they are older so learning them will allow you to have a bigger smug face :D :D, english is a west frisian germanic language , hardly old british language
3tangle3 3 months ago
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Bro goth agan tasow, dha fleghes a'th kar!
Gwlas ker an howlsedhes, pan vro yw dha bar?
War oll an norvys, 'th on ni skoellys a-les,
Mes agan kerensa yw dhis. Kernow! Kernow, y keryn Kernow! An mor, hedra vo Yn fos dhis a-dro, 'Th on onan hag oll rag Kernow!
Gwlaskor Myghtern Arthur, an Sens kyns, ha'n Gral
Moy kerys genen nyns yw tiredh arall,
Ynnos sy pub karn,nans, menydh ha chi
A gows yn Kernewek dhyn ni.
cornubian 6 months ago
@theinfinatetroll - Nice try. The Kernowyon are the Beaker folk - 'beaker folk' and 'celtic' are both very largely constructs of anglo-saxon orthodox archaeology. They are misleading and in many ways false concepts. The Kernowyon-in your language=the original and ancient Cornu-British (as recognised by the Federation of Old Cornwall Societies and Welch researchers such as Baram Blackett). The old racial distinction of the swarthy people of Cornwall and South Wales confirms this.Race not culture
cornubian 6 months ago
It is quite astounding how videos like these go up, a few cornish people might comment and suddenly there's a barrage of hate about how we're this and that, wanting independence, saying we can **** off and see how long we'd last without the government. You don't have to be that extreme to be proud of where your from. People I've met across the country have always said they wished they had a connection to their heritage that makes them proud. I cant see why it bothers people so much!
McBren 6 months ago
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Kernow yw konna tyr orth penn Breten Veur. Kernow yw bro geltek na Sowsnek !
Pro13east 6 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Then maaaybe, just maaaybe you should get a better focus and start really opposing that, what is destroying peoples lifes FIRST instead of bragging about (as you put it) "some nationalist extremists". Seems quite.. stuipid to me, to brag about a handful of people, who prolly won't achieve anything, while on teh same time, israel destroys peoples accomplishments and lifes. Maybe you should get some focus in your debates.
Valvallaria 7 months ago
@theinfinatetroll So what? As I said: the jews did exactly that as well. All they had was a book where peopel weren't sure how to pronounce the words. Plus they stole a piece of land, because "their" ancestors (which they are not) lived there like thousands of years ago. Today, Jews are nothing more but defined by religion. Nothing else, really. So Why don't you go and say something agains THEM? They are destroying other peoples LIFES and accomplishments with it. But nah, eh?
Valvallaria 7 months ago
@Valvallaria - Well said. This person 'theinfinatetroll' I am sure is paid by the so-called intelligence services to patrol comment boards like this and pour scorn on minorities like the Cornish to keep them down. It is so transparent it is laughable. The answer is to post in Kernewek - using the language to defeat this type of imperialism. I understand that in Cheltenham where most of this activity is based they have software that allows one operator to control 10 web identities. Why pay tax.
cornubian 6 months ago
@theinfinatetroll If, by your logic, that wouldn't be possible, then uclture would have always been the same - just to mention. Or you would have to kill off the people practicing it alltogether and replace them with new ones. But noooo. Instead it was a shift. So, why shouldn't that happen once again? Hmm maybe because that would undermine everythign you just said and, if enough would follow it, would leat just once again to a cultural change.. but nah, eh?
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll *facepalm* god. Tell ne. How do you define culture. tell me. Do it. NOW. Culture ALWAYS was shaped by the fashion and what people liked and disliked doring the ages. Liek it or not. If teh cornish want to adapt things to tehir own culture, you have no argument against it, becasue it would be like trying to argue that languages always have been the same (which teh have not). They just like cultures have always been changed by peopel who liked other traditiosn better.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll "being english" or "being whatever" is actually hard to say. That is determined by borders which always change - and today, being "nelish" is nothing more but a word on a piece of paper, since you just have to be born tehre (by accident) to be english. The real thing would be how you behave. And if people deem traditions worthy of assimilation from otehr parts? So what? Welcome in the world of cultures. It has ALWAYS happened that way.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Indeed, why not? I couldn't care less if england, or any other country broke apart, really. And As I told you. CULTURE IS FASHION YOU... It ALWAYS was. It ALWAYS was what people thought to be good. That's all. So get that stick out of your a... ears and start seeing culture for what it really is: ist what peopel do and how they behave. That's why they change, you know, and that is why people can shape cultures. Sheesh.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll So what exactly is related for example with a name for a culturegroup and "people calling themselves"? So Yah, we classify cultures. Get that into your head - and that is why we have the celtic culturegroup. Hellp, it doesn#t even matter where the word "celt" comes from. NOT AT ALL. Fact is that they belong to the same culturegroup, and honestly, I trust hundreds of historians, bound by teh scientiffic method, more than one guy on the web and someone writing a book.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll What have you shown? Faulty logic? Indeed you have. And so what? I don't have a greek keyboard so go and know yourself please. Do you actually expect me, to think that an army of historians, all bound by the scientiffic method, did not see the light of this one person that changes eeeverything? Ya right. And I at least know that one can be german AND for example a berliner, which you seem to totally ignore with the Byzantinum and the roman empire.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Oh and one more thing: The byzantinum was named after The greek: Βυζάντιο[ν] or today istanbul. Byzantinum is just a latinzied version of the greek word. You my friend, do not even seem to know that Byzántion was a and is city. A CITY. The byzantines were simply the people from there. Your case has officially collapsed.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Tell that the jews.They constructed their language as well. They were not even sure how it would be pronoucned. All they had were a book full of rituals in a language which no one could even really speak anymore (that's why the pronoucniation differs a LOT in the torah hebrew) and even less people actually understand. (and no one spke as their motehrtongue). Where is teh difference? The jews did it, so why not the cornish?
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Srsly? Because a certain culturegroup never uses a word from a different languagefamily to discribe themselves (keltoi = greek) so that makes them not those people... yah.. that's why the germans never used the term Skxawng to describe themselves, that makes them not german...? Even though their historical language and culture are the same family? Yeah right. Srsly, That must be the worst point I have heared.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll You say you can't pick and choose - then let it happen and stfu. If it happens, it is what these people wnat there, if it doesn't it is just anotehr cultural.. "wave". So what exactly are you bragging baout here? a) Independance has nothing to do with culture really.b) culture is what peopel do - every day. customs and whatever. c) if tehy want their language back - even reconstructed, it's once again culture at work.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll If you want to be roman. fine by me. See wether you can get others to join in. Maybe one day you'll have a majority. Or maybe not. My bet is that you have no connection to anything but english. I live in an anrea with a minority language and I also do speak it. So I'd say that is something you will never REALLY understand. Anyway, what you are here fighting is just, once again a cultural change, just like it happened with englsih etc at that time.You are contradicting yourself
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll It does not matter wether they speak english and maybe even act english. Fact is: they had their own language - and actually it hasn't been too long ago as well that it finally died out. If they revive their language -even reconstructed and them ajority wants independance, to me, no one has the right to deny that to them. independance has nothing to do with culture. It never has. It's simply a matter of a large number of people (majority), wanting independance.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Nope. *facepalm* God, you you really don't get it, or Are you doint that on purpose? That Isn't my logic nor is it logic at all. Culture is totally relative - it simply is what people do and what people deem fashionable. THAT IS what changes culture and that is what creates new cultures. it always ha been. YOur whole bragging about that is totally irrelevant. a) the people from cornwall are decendants of the old kernewek sepakers, thus brythons and celts. (cont)
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll 'reinvent' Srsly, you are talking bullshit now. Reconstruct - and yes it is. After all, that's what the jews did with hebrew as well. And a HUUUUUUUGE part of tier words are actually from ARABIC! Independance is a god damn right for everyone - so whyn ot for a group of people? If the majority of them wants to govern themselves instead of being governed - yes, they have any right.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Troll. No culture has to be "superioir" to be a nation. Actually, the same culture can have 2 seperate nations as well. (see bavaria and large parts of austria. They are often more alike than they'd like to admit.) YOur logic lacks... well logic. And I have just read some articles of that.. author. I'm surprised how he made it through university... IF it's true. He does not seem to understand the scientiffic method AT ALL.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Now from where did you pull that number? 15 million... My ass. Sources please. NOW. Being celt is today a lot different. You can't even say you are "english" if you are from england very often nowadays, give the high rate of genetic influences from everywhere. Your argument does not hold water. But you know,many invented that loophole that somehow being born on a piece of dirt gives you that nationality, regardless what culture you live. Now THAT is bullshit.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll As I said: CUlture is nothing else but an accumulation of things that once have been fashion. FACT. Fashions which have been carried to this day for whatever reasons. I know that you don't want to understand or acknowledge this because it would make your whole thing collapse. You seem to think that "culture" is somehow something supernatural, that flies over the countires and thus defines them. It is not. It is what people DO and thing is.. well fashionable.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Latin still exists, troll. Even if it's only in the vatican - but there it was never dead. Why do you revive Hebrew? Could just have used englsih. Would have been a lot less expensive. Thing is: You can't give it back to anythign if they aren ot there anymore. The cornish people however ARE. Mixed, but still there. Making their claim a lot more valid than some now nonexistant tribes. After your reasoning there woldn't be ANY 'good argument'.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Ps: I'm STILL waiting for your studies. Where are they?
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Why should *I* do it? I don't even live in Cornwall. 2nd. COrnish was spoken there and it was a celtic/brythonic language, thus making the people of cornwall somewhat celtic and celtic descendants. Like it or not. You will not change it. It is simply getting back to what was taken away long ago. A reverse process of what the english did to that piece of land, so to speak.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll So? Who cares? What isn't fashion? EVERYTHING in culture is fashion - ever thought of that? No, of course not. Just as I've expected. Traditional clothing - wasn't that fashion at that time? feasts and other traditions - weren't there also some sort of fashion? everything in culture is fashion, really. Culture IS fashion. Culture is pretty much everything speciffic people do. And if they embrace their celtic historyo nce again, it is just once again a change in culture.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll But, y'know, Maybe I am fuirious, but maybe i'm just fed up with people like you, who proclaim crap, yet lack any knowledge whatsoever. And so what - even if more peopel speak klingon - what does that proove? It proves that trekkies are more interested in fictional languages than a revived reconstructed one, that in some form has already existed.THAT'S IT.That's ALL that it tells us. AND I still am waiting for your "studies", and not more claism form your side like you just did
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@Valvallaria In addition: The Letter of the native speaker William Bodinar from 1776, older, medieval sources etc, are a little bit more than.. "some words" Srsly, get your facts right. One Text alone would be enough to at least get an idea - We know for a fact that cornish was a celtic and bythonic language. It had all the properties a celtic language had. What you claim is like saying lowgerman is no germanic language.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Did you actually read? No, you didn't. a) I was talking about welsh. So were you. Cornish =/= welsh. Some words are enough to tell the mainstream of words. One or two maybe loanwords, but if the vast majority of words you have are infact of brythonic origin (same as the welsh language) , and thus also celtic origin, they are. And oh wonder. hundreds of years of occupation and colonisation.. and you srsly put up that culture argument? really?
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Buy and read a book. Or a god damned lexicon. a) Genetics actually show the (real) welsh people are related to other celtic tribes. Their languages are related and so is their mytology.. So, wtf do you want more? A genetic tatoo from god himself declaring that they belong to the celtic group? srsly, you made the counterclaim first, so I'd suggest YOU start showing your "studies".
Valvallaria 8 months ago
from a welshman. i hope cornwall breaks off from england it's a lovely country. and brother to the welsh and bretons.
disjoinedchip2 8 months ago
@disjoinedchip2 same here lad same here hope wales gets what they want aswell to be free and scotland England is a bugger isnt it lol but kernow to be free is just a dream
Pro13east 8 months ago
@Pro13east - Meur ras.
Its nice to see someone is reading what I am writing. My spelling like everything else has always been a bit unconventional!
Kernow Arta. Malum ab aquilone.
cornubian 6 months ago
@cornubian not many speakers left such a shame this language needs to be more introduced to every one i only speak little am still in process of learning it MY SELF as it was not introduced to me growing up wonder whos fault that is England lol also there is a e petion needs 100,000 signatures for a Cornish assembly make us cornish not english but still remain part of the UK please sign will take only 5 seconds i cant post the link on here for some reasons but look up e ptitions google
Pro13east 6 months ago
English, come, visit, stay a while but remember, just like Scotland, Wales and Ireland, it isn't England ! It is part of the British Isles but never England.
Kernow yw konna tyr orth penn Breton Veur. Kernow yw bro Geltek ha Kernewek Agan yeth
CeltCornish 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Anyway. fact is: science has established that the welsh ARE celtic - whine about it as muc has you want. Science has established that they ARE celtic nations - and there is no controversy about it. Science is on the side of the descendants of the celts. They win. You loose.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Proof. I want to see the scientiffic papers which conclude that. You want the same for my slaim about the languages? Buy some linguisim books about them. There you have all you need. You sir have a substantially lack of knowledge what the celts actually where. It wouldn't be surprising that the celts didn't do much about genetics- after all, the where spread over almost the whole of goddmaned europe. Facto: welsh irish etc are celtic languages. Argue as muc has you want.
Valvallaria 8 months ago
@theinfinatetroll Nontheless, Welsh, Irish, Manx, Cornish are all celtic languages of the same language group. Saying that they only asserted it as "celts" in the 18th and 19th century is quite stupid, for the languages themselves alone show they are. Linguistics alone has established that. Plus "celts" comes from latin or greek: lat: celtae/ galli or greek keltoi/ galatai meaning "the brave/noble" and they were far far further spead - the celts even were in or around anatolia
Valvallaria 8 months ago
Is this the same tune as the Welsh NA?
hczxp 9 months ago
@hczxp Yes, it is the same anthem as Welsh anthem and Breton anthem. I really like it, don't you ?
Catholique21 9 months ago
@hczxp Yes, composed by James James, of Pontypridd, Glamorgan, in 1856, I believe. Don't know why those others have copied it...
Clarice007 8 months ago
@Premium101 PISS OFF POM I'M AN AUSSIE WITH CORNISH HERITAGE. THE CORNISH ARE BRYTHONIC CELTS AND MORE RELATED TO THE WELSH, BRETONS AND ALSO SCOTS. BY THE WAY SCUM ENGLISCHMAN ENGLISH ARE FUCKING GERMANS WHO SLAUGHTERED AND RAPED THE NATIVE BRITS. LEARN SOME HISTORY CUNT..........
willlowbloke85 10 months ago
wheres booode my lovers?!!
jacobthomasgallagher 10 months ago
Clearly not the cornish anthem!
1) There isn't one
2) If there was it would be trelawney or something we have heard of not the Welsh anthem!
MarkGS 10 months ago
@RenfieldHurtmore How can the Welsh/Cornish be the true English? You fucking moron...
Robin89uk 10 months ago
@RenfieldHurtmore umm english is a construct after the saxons united against danelaw (viking invasion)......brythons is the word you are looking for.......even dover is from the old welsh dwfr = water (its a deep water port)
3tangle3 11 months ago
Cornwall, Wales and Brittany have strong links.
Nemetona233 11 months ago
Ha!!! our closest cousins from the North!!!!Greetings from Brittany!!!
ouiklabelette44 11 months ago
WOW this sounds just like the Breton national Anthem.
sksman71 1 year ago
Bevet Breizh! Bevet Kerne-Veur! Bro gozh hon tadoù!
Lokmazhe 1 year ago
REALLY FUNNY THINGS CAN BE UNIVERSAL; SAME AS UNFORTUNATE THINGS MAY BE UNIVERSAL
Chuscarbayu 1 year ago
REALLY FUNNY THINGS CAN BE UNIVERSAL; SAME AS UNFORTUNATE THINGS MAY BE UNIVERSAL
NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS MORE FUN THAN ANYONE ELSE!
NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS MORE MISERABLE THAN ANYONE ELSE!.
Thinking chusianu NUMBER 1,2
Chuscarbayu 1 year ago
REALLY FUNNY THINGS CAN BE UNIVERSAL; SAME AS UNFORTUNATE THINGS MAY BE UNIVERSAL
NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS MORE FUN THAN ANYONE ELSE!
Thinking chusianu NUMBER 1
NOBODY IN THE WORLD IS MORE MISERABLE THAN ANYONE ELSE!.
Thinking chusianu NUMBER 2
Chuscarbayu 1 year ago
@RenfieldHurtmore thats wrong I have to say lol.....culturally i would agree but genetically most ppl on this island date back to the first iberian settlers...still much to research though :)
this is a cultural war not DNA....hence why moderate views are what are needed in the struggle
3tangle3 1 year ago
course historical of the celtic nations:
THE HERETIC PRISCILIANO , BORN IN 340 YEAR (ASTUR-GALAICO), DEAD IN 385 YEAR,TRIERS-TREVERIS . THE FRIEND OF OTHER HERETIC FRENCH OR HERETIC ARMORICANE ,WHOSE NAME IS PELLAGGIO (V.c) BIESKA=WOOD, FOREST.
KOTOYES. A ASTURIES MAN
Chuscarbayu 1 year ago
God bless Cornwall! Love from Wales.
Taurus9252 1 year ago
Cymru am byth, a Brethoniadd, a Cernywion [i think] xxxxx
bengarrion 1 year ago
so beautiful, bevet kernow
kenavo from breizh
bevetnaoned 1 year ago
this guy's accent leaves something to be desired. if in doubt, do not ever default to english, always welsh.
KrisdashPaul 1 year ago
How unfortunate, that this tune belongs to the Welsh already. Can't hear this in the sports stadiums or Olympic podiums without great confusion...
Clarice007 1 year ago
@Clarice007 it's also the tune of the breton national anthem and has been since the 19th century. the brythonic languages all share the same tune... the breton national anthem is used widely and no one seems to get confused.
ejr161 1 year ago
@ejr161 Yes. Except it was written by a Welsh man, in Wales, in 1856, to go with the words of mae hen wlad fy nhadau...anything else is a cover version.
Clarice007 11 months ago
@Clarice007 no confusion: we're all the same people anyway...
KrisdashPaul 1 year ago
Lovely song. This is a much more fitting National Anthem for Cornwall than The Song of the Western Men, also known as Trelawney.
I'm in Scotland and it makes me angry that millions of pounds is spent promoting Gaelic on the basis that "Gaelic is the native language of Scotland." Wrong. Gaelic was brought to Scotland by immigrants from Ireland. The true native language of Scotland is Pictish.
Before the Picts, the Neanderthals are said to have used grunts and gestures, not a real language.
SeniorSuperstud 1 year ago
it's like the anthem of west of france , the "bretagne" , this name is bro gozh ma zadou .
glawouek 1 year ago
@alunhughes147 That should actually by Cymru am Byth (byth with a 'y' rather that 'i'). It's strange hearing the tune of Hen Wlad fy Nhadau with different lyrics, but I love it! Same goes for Bro Gozh Ma Zadoú. :D
sianiflewog89 1 year ago
Thanks for that..... wonderfull anthem of a proud people
Cymru am bith
alunhughes147 1 year ago
I thought the singer was Cornish someone told me John Bolitho
avonbeg 1 year ago
@avonbeg
Correct. John Bolitho is the singer. He was the Chief Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd 2000 to 2003. Sadly now deceased.
Meubred 9 months ago
@avonbeg Correct. John Bolitho is the singer. He was the Chief Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd 2000 to 2003. Sadly now deceased.
Meubred 9 months ago
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Correct. John Bolitho is the singer. He was the Chief Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd 2000 to 2003. Sadly now deceased.
Meubred 9 months ago
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@avonbeg Correct. John Bolitho is the singer. He was the Chief Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd 2000 to 2003. Sadly now deceased.
Meubred 9 months ago
In fact brythonic speaking kingdoms in scotland like strathclyde, Manau gododdun, matane and Rhyged all called them brythonic. But their culture deviated after the roman occupation of the island and they developed a sister language and culture to the brythonic celts. Pretty much they kept the old ways like the druids and art well into the 5th century when all other celts were christian.
seonidh 1 year ago
@seonidh will have to look into this further...my understanding was that the picts were the indigenous people (well, as far back as we can reliably trace!), then the goidelic speakers came over from belgae to inhabit both islands, then the brythonic celts came over from europe too and pushed them out to ireland - and subsequently the scotti came back over through argyll into scotland. clearly i spent more time studying the dumnonian migrations to brittany than the northern brits!
dewnansek 1 year ago
not bad, but better if a cornish voice had sung it - whilst good, the singer is undoubtedly welsh with q pretty thick accent so we don't really here the sound of good cornish - kernow ha dewnans bys vykken
dewnansek 1 year ago
Fuck all opressive states! Long live to the old european nations! We'll rise again!
IlTifossi 1 year ago
FUCK THE ENGLISH
KrisdashPaul 1 year ago
@KrisdashPaul What a great comment, well put together, well informed and great use of the ENGLISH language. Reading this makes me so proud to be English..An English Celt in fact
dartmoordog 1 year ago
@athiestsshallburn What exactly do you mean by "traditional englander insult"? You aint even Cornish so why the hell are you on here anyway? You are just jumping on this bandwagon of a hopeless cause and it's got bugger all to do with you..
Rigmaster22 1 year ago
I also cannot help but notice that right wing evangelist nutters and catholic Irish nutters are all over this issue as well, don't tell me this wonderful, right-wing nation you propose will be a theocracy as well, good luck, I hope they don't teach your kids to reintroduce stoning, repress women and introduce creationism into your schools.
themightyrara 1 year ago
I dont know one single Cornish person that speaks Cornish, let alone that would vote for a Cornish speaking (right-wing) political party and tha raises a a point really doesn't it, if practically no-one votes for Mebyon Kernow, ten practically no-one wants Cornish independence except the kind of childish moron you see ranting on here or hatemailing peple on here
themightyrara 1 year ago
@themightyrara couple of points 1 do you live in Cornwall? I know quite a few Cornish speakers and there is a strong belife in Cornish independence 2 Mebyon Kernow like most people involved in Cornish independence are left wing, I think you should check your views you might find your more right wing than you think. 3 Catholic Irish nutters? if your talking about the prayer book rebellion check your history, it's an important part of Cornish history
avonbeg 1 year ago
More jibes at us with the typical inbred jokes, well so original. I don't disagree with you that we haven't all been mixed up through out Britain but being Cornish is also a state of mind. It's about preserving and promoting our heritage and language not the bollocks history your taught in school, that it started with Romans and ends up with Henry the eighth. I don't see why non Cornish get so upset over this, oh and London is middle earth! Middle shit hole more like. I know where i would live!
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
@cornwallgeezer I agree with you that London is a shit hole. I went there last year for the first time in 15 years and couldn't wait to get away from the place. As for preserving heritage, I would agree that every English county should do there bit.
Rigmaster22 1 year ago
@athiestsshallburn check out the Devonwall story posted on the 29th july on the this is Cornwall site the comments are quite intresting
avonbeg 1 year ago
@athiestsshallburn I agree but as you know people in Cornwall are talking about independence so were going to get more little englanders using hateful comments but that proves there arguments are baseless, in my view if you argue back logically and let them know your not going to back down they will give up in the end, if you don't say something they'll carry on posting spiteful comments.
avonbeg 1 year ago
god bless my mother land !! i will always be Cornish !!
kernowcornish 1 year ago
really lovely
ejr161 1 year ago
John Bolitho sadly missed
theatlanticpirates 1 year ago
Cousin the tears stream from my eyes. Prydain.....Cymru ac Kernow, am byth.
ioanthechurchgoer 1 year ago
@ioanthechurchgoer You sad twat!!
Rigmaster22 1 year ago
@Rigmaster22 The prayer book rebellion (changing latin service to english) a petion was sent to edward VI one of the lines stated" we the Cornyshe men,whereof certain of us understande no englyshe,utterly refuse thys newe service".After the rebellion was put down one of the punishments was the prayer book would not be translated into Cornish only english,the common prayer book was translated into Welsh, which is why the Welsh language has survived and Cornish became secondry to english:
avonbeg 1 year ago
Why does everyone want devolution and independence, union and unity is the way forward :) you don't have to break off to grow and survive :3
kairushinjuu 1 year ago
i think cornwall should go back to being its own country, its so much more like wales than england. and england has basically ruined its language.
flashash2k9 1 year ago
Campaigning for Celtic Freedom: The Celtic League
CelticLeagueKernow 1 year ago
kernow bys viken!!! clearly black hair is a west british phenotype...welsh and cornish! just go round the valleys (particularly south wales/de cymru a'r fro forgannwg) and west cornwall/pedn an bydh hag an vro gwealow and see! red is gaelic/viking import including late Irish migrations into Britain. anyhow, what ought an anthropolgist to know? :-) the surf is high, the heather fragrant and choughing 'eck - the west country is best :-)
dewnansek 1 year ago
wales has gained two new towns from england in the past decade and all these people are attempting to learn welsh
055scaldwa 2 years ago
it sexactly the same exept for the language
055scaldwa 2 years ago
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055scaldwa 2 years ago
look at the heads of the male members of the Irish Doil and compare the hirsutness(?) of the so called Anglo-Saxons.We have a culture,we have music and stories and theatre,they(William Hague) just dream of my full mop.But as always they get the last laugh -I have to pay to get the hippy look off every 6 months.Where's Delilah when you need her?Cornishman...Yay is Da
oldtregidgo 2 years ago
if any ppl watching this and want to meet a goth girl get in touch with me
gothicdreamx88 2 years ago
Cornish should be taught in cornish schools as Welsh is in wales, and Irish Gaelic in Ireland and Scots Gaelic in Scotland.
TheWelshtube 2 years ago
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055scaldwa 2 years ago
@TheWelshtube agreed!
sitithesecond 1 year ago
just look at our surnames, need i say any more, or are we going to be called deniers. It,s not us who are ignorant!
cornwallgeezer 2 years ago
Always Cornish!
cornwallgeezer 2 years ago
Haha yeah me into MuDvAyNe?
kernowman13 2 years ago
the celtic red hair is more prevalent in scotland, in wales i think its more gold colour hair although some red ,not sure about cornwal or brittany, england is generally darker
gry2900 2 years ago
interesting...red certainly in ireland and scotland due to the vikings...wales and cornish (and devonians fled to brittany) more dark...england plenty of fair saxon hair...compare essex to the valleys...
dewnansek 2 years ago
@dewnansek i'm from the west of Britain myself (South Devon) and most people there have dark brown hair. I happened to be in East Anglia once and they are a lot taller and fairer there. It was like being in another country! Also the hair type is different, theirs is finer and straighter. I've got thick wavy hair like many Celts.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
wales doesn't have that many red heads, but we have a fair number of blonde's but most are brunette and black
055scaldwa 2 years ago
055scaldwa, black hair? That's a mediterranean trait, probably down to immigration from Spain/Italy/Greece etc. Not the indigenous Welsh
BarriosGroupie 2 years ago
i know that black hair is from the medateranian
055scaldwa 2 years ago
i don't get cornish independance.... Cuase the country tha tthye calim to representing isn't cornwall its Dumnonia... and in which case they have to include Devon and huge chunks of Dorset and Somerset to...
0SgtRoadkill0 2 years ago
What the fuck are you on boi?
kernowman13 2 years ago
To: 0SgtRoadkill0
Devon is De Avon = South of the river, Cornwall and Devon was once called South Wales, when Wales was once called North Wales.
brambling21 2 years ago
devon (devnon n dropped cos too tricky to elide) is a corruption of dewnans/devnant (cornish) or dyfnaint (welsh) from the latin dumnonia which came from old celtic domnona for the whole of the south west peninsula including much of somerset (gwlas an haf/gwlad yr haf). it was called West Wales by the Saxons . good guess at de avon however, which would obviously be je an owen in modern cornish...or de'r afon if using older 'welsh' celtic. all the old devonians fled to brittany twixt 600-900ad
dewnansek 2 years ago
this is true, up intil around henry the 3rd's time wales was alot bigger than england.
055scaldwa 2 years ago
The Redheads are the true Britons, apparently
BarriosGroupie 2 years ago
nope true britains are infact brunnetes
055scaldwa 2 years ago
055scaldwa, i read the article "Flaming heck, first Brits were redheads - Times Online"
I think the Brits now are in the main Brunettes followed by Blondes then Redheads. But a lot of Brunettes/Blondes do grow ginger beards.
Are there so many Brunettes because of immigration from Southern England?
BarriosGroupie 2 years ago
The welsh and the Bretons our are cousins .
We are the true Brits, just look at cornish and welsh surnames.
cornwallgeezer 2 years ago 3
The Cornish, Welsh and Scots carry the greatest incidence of redheads who are considered to be the true Britons... spooky
BarriosGroupie 2 years ago
thats not true there's not many redheads in wales. red heads come from the vikings and saxons and the vikings didn't truly get into wales so
055scaldwa 2 years ago
055scaldwa, Dr Rees at Edinburgh university has shown that 25% indigenous Welsh carry the "ginger" gene. Maybe it doesn't mean you have orange ginger hair but a pale, freckled complexion and a ginger beard?
BarriosGroupie 2 years ago
@cornwallgeezer Oh, right. So there's been no interbreeding with the rest of the UK in the last 2000 years then? Or perhaps that it really is true - that the Cornish are all inbred.
Rigmaster22 1 year ago
@Rigmaster22 a quote from the book the story of Cornwall by A K Hamilton Jenkin
published November 1934 " Cornwall is not england nor is a Cornishman of the same race as an englishman.The Cornish like the Welsh are the trure British people,they were inhabiting this island long before the english came,the Cornish people of course married with english people but they are not of english blood".So as I've told you before if you've nothing intresting to say get lost.
avonbeg 1 year ago
@Rigmaster22 That is not what I stated!
cornwallgeezer 1 year ago
1971matteo 2 years ago 2
Love you Cornish guys - long have the Welsh longed for their brothers - and you are for sure our brothers - it's lovely keep it up - well done - yn dda iawn
iantonowful 2 years ago 2
This anthem will be played from saturday in Rennes Fottball Stadium in Brittany.
People from Wales and Cornwall, come and hear 30000 of your Breton cousins calling you.
Time to reunite.
wawan22310 2 years ago 2
Our heritage belongs to everyone - English friends learning Welsh - whatever just share it it is hyfryd
iantonowful 2 years ago
Tune also used for the Breton, and why not? The Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are all Britons.
magos369 2 years ago 2
Stick at it guys for we are your brothers and love you - i'r gad - to the battle - the Welsh have won (mostly) and I ant to see you win - bugger all downhearts and detracors
iantonowful 2 years ago
That would be a shit national anthem simply because its to the same tune of wales :P
ConCon75 2 years ago
Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are all the real Britons, no reason they shouldn't share it... The "wall" in "Cornwall" comes from the same word that "Wales/Welsh" does too, they speak different languages now but they once were in every sense the same people.
ambrosiustranquillus 2 years ago 2
Not really, seeing as there where people there before, dont try to claim things, be happy with who you are but dont pretend you are the origional britons, because i bet you are a bit rascist, Most cornish men arent but the one who claim to be the "true" britons usually are.
ConCon75 2 years ago
"Briton" in the original sense didn't mean anyone from the island but people of a particular cultural-linguistic group that gave rise to the Breton, Cornish and Welsh nations. I'm Anglo-Gaelic so definitely not some kind of racist Cornishman or something...
ambrosiustranquillus 2 years ago
Also, I wholly support the Cornish/Welsh even the Bretons in calling themselves the true Britons, Anglo-Saxons and all the newer people to come to the island aren't Britons anymore than people in New York City are Lenape indians (the original inhabitants). The only reason English people started calling themselves Britons was so that they could redefine the idea of "Britishness" into "Anglo-Saxonness" and subvert Cornish, Welsh and Scottish national identities.
ambrosiustranquillus 2 years ago
Your forgot Ulster Scots and Celtic culture in N.Ireland
ConCon75 2 years ago
Cornwall and Wales hasn't been static since the 6th century, there has been much population/ligustic movement since and only some people there have names in those languages. "British" means "from Britain", simple. I'm British even though my family moved here from Ireland in recent times. People who specifically speak Welsh and Breton as native could be deemed "Brythonic" is a lingustic sense (Cornwall is 100% English speaking). Also England hasn't been truely Anglo-Saxon in culture since 1066 .
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
@Counterrevolutionite Absolutely agreed, especially the last sentence. The "anglo-saxons" as such officially ceased to exist in 1066. And practically every English person I know has got Irish, Scottish, Cornish or Welsh blood.
sitithesecond 1 year ago
"Welsh, Cornish and Bretons are all the real Britons"
Actually include the lowland scots from Rhygedd, Gododdin and Strathclyde and the Picts as well as Britons and historically you're correct.
seonidh 2 years ago 12
Deiz mat d'an holl breudeur da Kernev-Veur hag Kembre. Breizh
simonstallion 2 years ago
but the welsh at the moment are the most like the true british because we still speak welsh here.
055scaldwa 2 years ago
Agreed. The English are from Denmark, Saxony and Northern Holland. Quite late immigrants, just before the Normans. To hear them talk, it's like they've been here for ever!
lyndseykramer 1 year ago
@seonidh hi, agreed with the exception of the Picts who were the inhabitants of the Scotland area even before the goidelic celts (gaels) squeezed them up into the far highlands...the picts might have been proto-gaels but were definitely not brittonic celts
dewnansek 1 year ago
@dewnansek they were brythonic celts in the sense that during the roman invasion they were not seen as being from Hibernia both culturally or from Ireland or Gaels for that matter. They were British and the same as the celts in the south. You can see brythonic language in the pictish lands with ABER-deen and the welsh ABER-istwyth, aber meaning mouth of a river. The dividing line could be during the roman influences when the Pictish culture developed without a roman influence.
seonidh 1 year ago
@seonidh But even the Picts had to arrive in these islands from somewhere - they didn't just magically appear overnight. The original Brito