Regardless if we believe in god or not.. you still have to work, get food on your table, get good grates in school, watch thousands of people die everyday and fight for your own rights! So really.. Who gives a fuck about religion.. its not gonna change ANYTHING! Period!
@mastereismaname I actually agree in some aspects of your statement. Religion was created by man; however, the Christian faith was created by God. In Revelations, Jesus will return and banish those of sinful will to the bowels of Hell. Heaven will come upon Earth, and all who believe in Him will live forever in prosperity. Yeah... faith does matter.
Let's remember. Who were called heretics? Who were killed by being heretics? Weren't they the first christians? GNOSTICS. That's why the gnostics gospels were called heresy.
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
Where are the scholars of his day not 50, 100 ,250 years or more after the fact. Why wuold his real disciples not write about him on the spot as he lived. And how was pauls works written way before the gospels and who are the gospel writers and why use the names of his disciples who did not even write the gospels?
julius avocado? how reliable does that source sound? fuck you dude, and fuck your shit god. the king of the kikes, the king of the paranoid christian inbreds, who rape the world in his rotted ass. as a white man i feel disgusted that my race follows Christianity in such large numbers. any one who believes in a god who hates queers and niggers, and all people who don't look like us is fucked up in the head.
go suck the devil's cock and swap cum with mary the whore mother of christ.
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just a quick consideration, how can you have a full eclipse of the sun that does not involve a full moon-- how else is the moon blocking the entirety of the sun--- any other portion of the moon means the earth is blocking the light of the sun to the moon--but ill admit, i might be retarded
About Zeitgeist, The point is that what we are doing isnt working. Relegion dosent help. The people that feed the poor usually do it because they want to not because god was imprinted the laws in their sole or whatever.
You support your claim that Josephus' writings weren't a forgery with a source that discusses the existence of Jesus' brother. I suppose it's okay to pick and choose which parts of that we want to believe.
@guythd The bible only states that mary was a virgin at the birth of Jesus. It states in different gospels that Jesus had brothers. This in no way negates that Jesus was born of a virgin.
As far as I'm concerned, Zeitgeist's credibility dies with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls. It was carbon dated to have been written around the time history recalls Jesus lived. Contains virtually an identical copy of the Old Testament written in Hebrew, and fragements of the New Testament where Jesus Christ is mentioned synomously with Jesus of Nazareth proving they existed and are the same person. Considering how to prove someone existed back then, you can't be more conclusive than that.
Thank you! You speak great sense. I have some videos on my channel (sermons) refuting zeitgeists claims, if you care to watch them too. Spread the word. Thanks for you post!
The Dead Sea Scrolls is the ONE piece of evidence that neither Zeitgeist or the Acarya S ever discuss because it completely destroys their Conspiracy Theory! I wish more people would notice it...
Would you please tell us why it's "damning for Christianity and Judaism" specifically. Because, as far as my scholarly studies have taken me, I've noticed just the opposite.
I will be doing that in youtube videos and a website next year.A lot of my material is original and was costly and I see no sense in giving it away for free or at least getting credit for it.
I will however point you in the right direction.I suggest reading all of the solid material regarding Egyptian,Zoroastrian and Chaldean astronomy and mythology.
Definitely, sammygebre! But the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't the ONLY piece of evidence that Zeitgeist and Jesus Mythers don't consider. Another huge part is the teachings of Jesus - we have them documented by the end of the first centruy; they weren't there before, and then they were there! So, where did they come form? There is a conspiracy of silence about this with the Jesus mythers - they just don't talk about it. Because, in all reality, it's highly likely that those teachings are Jesus'
Zeitgiest, I've read, is now being citied as unethical film making. They ambush unsuspecting christians with this fake crap even the proof they need to refute its claims is right here. I had to watch 70 minutes of this movie, but I am now finally worry free now =]
All the Scrolls prove is that the bible we have hasn't been tampered with since the scrolls were written. They don't actually prove that it's truth, they could be copies or a lot of other things.
Not saying that it isn't, but just because they found the old testament not in the form of a bible (book) doesn't mean much.
@sammygebre As far as I'm concerned it is irrelevant if Jesus even existed because the stories associated with him are still a myth, this is what Zeitgeist conclusively proves to us and not only Zeitgeist, all in all Religion and I'm speaking about the entire collection of co-influenced religions around the globe lost a very very long time ago the argument against mother SCIENCE. All this documentary is shit.
satan is a reptilian alien who governs over this earth,given his throne by the gods who down from heaven came the other aliens who created man and trick them into praising and be enslaved by their true king, satan.
well this movie isn't bs - Zeitgeist is. And yes, people do still talk about it, because so many people are being duped into believing what Zeitgeist says is true, when in fact most of what Zeitgeist says is complete fabrication and lies, while the rest is mostly giant leaps and stretches at making comparisons. If you had taken the time to research any of it, you would probably come to realize why people "still spread out this bs". This vid is good, I have some on my channel too.
As far as the bible is concerned, is the whole species just supposed to believe one single book without any critical analysis or confirming evidence? Where are the original manuscripts? And why are 4 gospels used when it is well known that many dozens existed? Which are we supposed to believe? And what are the "primary sources" upon which the bible stories were created? Who actually wrote them? Why isn't there any other historical documentation or suporting evidence?
falseitrue that is wrong get your mind right pleez.......when they say god is a sun they mean as if god is looking over everyone he is the center of the world....why in the hell?.......would a bible author refere to god as a satan does not make any sence.......that only 33 degree free masonry teaching
uneducated ass if you grew up in a different culture u wouldn't know what the hell a god is nothing but a fairy tale told to you when you were younger. so you come up here on you-tube pretending you are smart and insightful. if god really existed i wouldnt have to bring anything but understanding. I told a joke that had nothing to do w/ u. send me quran or a bible b/c i need the toilet paper
How interesting. Do the educated insult others? Do they desire to put reading materials to waste? Do they insist they know people and answers to life's questions?
lol i never ever take this stuff seriously. It was a joke. I would read anything u suggest. I think people w different points of rarly have anything useful to say to each other.
I doubt god in whatever form would care 4 youtube comments
DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of methane gas. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10. UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE IGNORANT 'MY MIND IS MADE UP DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS' MORONS.
all his referrence are about people who lived many years after the death of jesus but none that where there ....back than imagine a story go around how much that story would change its like similar to the santa story
Peter was there. They all say Christ. They wrote about it in the Bible, chava. 52 A.D.? You got to be kidding. That's only 30 years after the real event. If any historical event was that close to the date, we'd call it the greatest fine in history.
Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTAL parts 1-3. Zeitgeist and Acharya S are liars.
The dinosaur bones, evolution, extra terrestrial life, the age of the universe, and many other things that people have discovered, that seem to contradict the old testament!
FYI, the Bible is not an encyclopedia and only Jew follow the old testament. Yes, there are many misinterpretations, but to dismiss things outright is wrong. Christianity has been hijacked by Pagans long ago. Do you honestly believe Jesus would approve the VATICAN, which is drenched in gold, has an phallic obelisk, collects billions $ each year, pays no taxes, molests children, controls the masses!?!? That is why upon Christs return, there's going to be hell to pay! :-)
Jesus is HORUS..kill the jesus stuff. The truth does not contradict.. Before jesus there was no god except for MYTHS..and those same myths are the jesus you pray to everyday. What is your religion if you believe in jesus or god or the devil?
I'm an open-minded Christian who doesn't blindly follow any one book, just because "it is written." Pagans (i.e. the council of Nicia) declared that Christ was born on 12/25, had exactly 12 disciples, rose from the dead after 3rd day etc. which mirrors Horus exactly, so of course nonbelievers will say its plagiarism. And think about it, if Christ was some made-up nobody, then why are Satanists, Freemasons etc. so hell bent of destroying people who follow him? It doesnt make any sense.
Freemason dont care about jesus..they worship EVIL..and they worship Horus. This is why you see all their symbols come from ancient egypt..the pyramid, horus eye, the phoenix, in god we trust, etc. They are masters of deception..when they say god they mean LUCIFER. God is only a TITLE..just like Christ. Freemasons just want to eliminate the false teaching of jesus. Many people dont realize their bible is about worshiping the SUN and Lucifer. Psalms 84:11 God is a SUN!
Im sorry, lets be clear. Ancient Egyptian theology has nothing to do with worshiping EVIL...or the SUN for that matter. This personification of the Sun and other physical entities in Kemetic teaching is no more than a poetic resemblance of GOD (the ONE hidden essence behind all things) for human understanding. Ancient Egyptian Theology (the first monotheistic belief documented) is not a peagan religion. Around the time of Alexander the Greats rule; Euro interpretation destroyed the belief.
Exactly, most people do not understand this; however in all honesty RA and Horus had various depiction of power pertaining to the Sun itself. So you are only half right. Many god's usually take on the resemblence of different attributes of nature and are given human personalities; Thor for example is a Norse version of Zeus. If you look at the semblance; they are VERY much alike in power; only difference is in various personalities. Thor was a Warrior god, Zeus was the Greek King God.
I'm in the same way. You have alot of dumb Christians who don't question authority, then you got alot of NWO types who rail against Jesus Christ. It can be confusing.
Baia, that is basically correct. The whole Old Testament was done in preparation for the coming of Messiah which would be a light to the whole world. People do not seem to understand why YWHW commanded the things he did through the prophets and why the Hebrews needed to cleanse the land of canaan of the pagan child-sacrificing heathens.
The VAST MAJORITY of scholars agree the passage you speak of allegedly written by Josephus is a fraud. In fact they even say had it not been to the forgeries, those writings might not have been preserved. It has been proven by the leading experts on Josephus that he didn't write the passages you rely upon. The fact it is in "his style" is that the person(s) who did write it wanted people to believe he did write it. It isn't difficult to copy a person's style of writing, nor insert it.
Why is it that whenever a source seemingly in support of a a Christian position such as "Gnostic" sources as appears in this section, it is perfectly acceptable to use it, but the very same Christians will be first to condemn those very same authors, speakers, and believers immediately when another person uses those same sources to support a contrary one? This is simple hypocrisy and nothing short of it.
Alockslee, he is simply quoting non-biblical sources who wrote of Yeshua(Jesus) and this includes the gnostics, who wrote of and believed in Christ even though they had mixed Christianity with luciferian doctrines.
If you are speaking of Ehrman, most of the sources I have seen from him were NT sources that he spoke about in Misquoting Jesus. Experts don't refute the mistranslations and agree with his conclusions. Since no sources exist from the time of the reported Crucifixion, and the fact that most of Paul's letters are not even written by him, the problems keep coming and can't be refuted with direct evidence. People can believe what they want, they just need realize evidence doesn't support it.
Where do you get this stuff? Almost all scholars are near consensus that Paul wrote Romans, Corinthians 1 & 2, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon. The only supposed "epistles of Paul" that are disputed are Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, and Titus. There is as much evidence to support the existed of Yeshua as there is to support the existence of other historical characters from that era.
Name your "scholars" the consensus is most of the letters attributed to Paul were written by him. More than half of those are not. the others are now suspect by many of those same scholars. Regardless, you need to produce secular proof attesting to these miracles and none exist. Something so extraordinary would have many people reporting on it and there is nothing but some writings YEARS after the promised return and those aren't even valid as contemporary, let alone secular & trustworthy.
If you do not believe that he was the Messiah or was raised from the dead than fine. But to question his very existence is just plain foolish. Do you think thousands of devout jews suddenly converted to Christianity for no reason? None of the historians that lived shortly after Christ's crucifixion denied his existence. It is only 2000 years later that we get this garbage from the lucifer worshipping theosophists. What about the many other characters from the NT who have been proven to exist?
Where do you get these numbers from? The movement at the time was nothing close to what it has been turned into. Nothing exists from those converts to relate what was believed or practiced. You will bring up the NT but that is not secular evidence about the initial people and that what exists comes YEARS & Years after the events you speak of.
Look up Rook Hawkins essay on Jesus and then ponder the facts.
Yes the movement was small, but the apostles and Yeshuas disciples went all over the world converting. Within 100 year span they made thousands of converts. The movement only became mainstream after Emperor Constantine converted Rome. This is the false church.
Your words:"Do you think thousands of devout jews suddenly converted to Christianity for no reason?", from a previous post and now you contradict yourself!!! So now it no longer 1000s instantly and just a small movement. So which is it? Thanks for responding, but seriously, don't fly off and then do a 180. You look foolish and lose credibility as in this case. Don't get angry, you did it to yourself.
The term "solar eclipse" is a misnomer: the phenomenon is actually an occultation. An "eclipse" occurs when one celestial object passes into the shadow cast by another (as with an eclipse of the Moon). An occultation' occurs when one body passes in front of another. When at its new phase the Moon passes in front of, or occults, the Sun, as seen from Earth, the Moon also casts a small shadow on Earth. An "occultation" of the Sun is therefore also a partial "eclipse" of Earth.
I would agree with you in your response here. It must be said however, that many and much of what is believed by Christians have no factual proof whatsoever. An example of this is simply explain in detail how the myriad contradictions in each version of the Bible are simply accepted as irrefutable and infallible when the two or more passages can't exist as it refutes the other. Start at Genesis and work you way through the Bible and see. You can't have it both ways.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
KJV
Start with that. There are many more. On your response argue the text as written and refrain from changing the phrase and post your version if you make reference to any Bible passages.
You seem to be confident in your habit of taking things out of context.
The Bible is super dynamic and must be considered as a whole. But just in the chapter of John 14, Jesus repeatedly refers to Himself as God. In verse 28, He is comforting the disciples that His human form is going away to the Godly form--a form greater than His human form--and promises them that His spirit form will be close to them when His human form has left earth.
And you seem to be so self assured that you can rewrite a direct quote. It stands on its face.
The quotes a directly related and reference the same issue. So your argument is not with me for pointing it out it is with the text and since it is infallible, guess your outta luck. Interesting isn't it, infallible contradiction! Would you like several more of those infallible contradictions posted? Stop while you are behind and realize that you can't refute the truth.
The quote was written exactly as the NT has it KJV. Explain the verse & next you can try to explain how all the NT and OT quotes on this site are not objected to in the same manner. No, it means exactly what it says and nothing further on my part need be posted. You need to comprehend what you rely upon as the basis for your belief and learn to accept what it is & that is the cause of hatred, death & ruination of the lives of people. More wars from it than any other source. Deal with it!
I know the portion of the quote you posted is written exactly as you found it. You are just making outlandish assumptions because you are not reading the quotes in context.
And, no I'm not going to try to say that all the portions of scripture posted on this vlog, by various others, are not subjected to each other. In fact, I said the opposite when I stated that "the Bible is super dynamic and must be considered as a whole."
And watch the beginning of this film at least. There, as well as other parts, explain a little about how the Bible itself is not responsible for "hatred, death & ruination of the lives of people," and wars. It is certain people and groups--who TAKE THE PORTIONS OF SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT--that are responsible for these anti-Christian acts.
Look, You are flip flopping again. I watched every segment of the video and made comments on each. You can't have it both ways, it is either "super-dynamic" or out of context, which it not true in either case. Just deal with the fact that religion is responsible for more war, torture, pain,HATRED,DEATH & RUINATION than any other cause in History. Christians do all the above. They justify wrongdoing and then complain when called on it. Preachers molesting kids,Mothers killing kids, etc.
I said the Bible is super dynamic. You have taken two tiny portions of scripture, and tried to make them look like they do not harmonize. This is obvious to any reader now.
Look, I know religion has caused horrible problems, but Jesus Himself was against popular religion because it caused the same problems then as it does now. Even people back in Jesus' time were taking portions of scripture out of context
You asked for one example. I said there are more. They are given as quotes and in context. They are contradictory as the others I can list.
All of which is obvious to any reader that they are as stated by me above. Thanks for trying, but we both knew that you couldn't refute it but you gave it a good try. Take care.
Actually, you gave me quotes that were out of context, and which were only portions of the verses you quoted. You also have proven no contradiction yet.
Now, if you want to give me more examples of what you call, 'contradictions' in the Bible, lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder.
lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder.
Yes lets finish this. Please put up the portions of my posts where that was said by me exactly as you are repeatedly claiming.
The quotes are the full quotes from the KJV. You seem to have great difficulty is accepting the fact that this is exactly the same thing Christians do and now a complete, in context verse is causing you fits. Respond fully to my posts please, line by line.
"lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder. " was lacking the quotation marks and wanted to make sure you knew it was your words not mine that were being addressed.
Just go to video 9/10 of this series. Go to "view all '' comments." Start at the top of the comments, and go down. Your first reply to me is the first comment someone marked as spam. Click "show" to see our discussion.
Only more words from texts to be taken on faith. Just because some non-christian guy said something about an event almost 2000 years ago, isn't proof of reality. Closer to our time, over 500 years ago, scholars wrote, and so people believed, the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Do you believe everything you hear?
It actually is true that a solar eclipse cannot happen at the same time as a full moon. The phases of the moon arise from the position that the sun illuminates the moon relative to the side of the moon that can be seen from the earth. A solar eclipse occurs when the moon is directly between the sun and earth, casting a shadow on the earth. This time must be close to a new moon, when the side of the moon lighted by the sun faces away from viewers on the earth.
The assertion was that there are no writings of Jesus, not that there are no writings of Christians. Christ is not Jesus' last name. "Christ" means "the anointed one", and cannot truly be used as a reference to "Jesus Christ", or Jesus the anointed.
Actually, the main assertion in Zeitgeist was there were no credible extra-Biblical accounts of the person, Jesus Christ--another fallacy shot down by Zeitgeist Refuted.
There aren't any secular accounts proven to support your statements. The fallacy you speak of is upon you to prove it was refuted and not make claims that are obviously knew jerk reactions to solid proof against your claims.
You post a lot of rambling on this vlog, but with closer analysis, your arguments are strawman fallacies, which ignore the proofs and sources presented in this film.
Here, you use the deceptive phrase "knee-jerk reaction" (at least it looks like that's what you tried to type) in an attempt to discredit Zeitgeist Refuted. But if people move on, and actually watch the whole film, they'll have the questions you raise answered.
The burden of proof to discredit this film rests on you.
Actually, every single statement I have posted has yet to be refuted. Deal with them line by line and do it. Until then you are the person rambling and dodging the issues. I have posted the evidence and refuted this video, now you deal with what has been written. remember line by line refutation of my postings or by failing to do so be recognized as a failure.
You have yet to prove to me that Luke 19:27 claims Jesus promotes murder and genocide, remember?
Concerning your recent claim that "there aren't any secular accounts proven to support" the existence of Jesus, I just say, watch video 6, and continue with this video, number 7. Take notes, make your argument against the sources the video presents, then we can continue "line by line."
Please stop avoiding your instructions and just follow them. Point out what you refer to with where it was said. As for the sources given in #6 & #7, I already addressed those and gave you a source that you can read and find those sources are not supportive of the Narrator's points, furthermore the sources have been fully discussed by Rook Hawkins. Look up the essay and read it. As I suggested we can continue this on the other forum which has more room to respond.
What, you want me to point out specific minutes and seconds in the video I want you to look at? And no, you have not addressed the sources in 6 & 7 (not to me anyways). And, what essay by Rook Hawkins? You tell me.
What is it you've been saying?: "put up your evidence'" "line by line."
Please don't try to flood me with a myraid of different issues without first completing our discussion of Luke 19:27. One thing at a time.
Then why are you trying to keep this discussion in email and avoiding this forum or the other I offered? here is your email: "reply to your zeitgeist refuted comment
A group of a thousand or so people spread over many nations IS a small group. They were surrounded by hundreds of thousands of pagans. What dont you understand?"
Now it has changed again! Keep the discussion here & stop trying to avoid people from reading your flip flopping. You were wrong several times already.
Uhhhm, dude? That's not my email you just pasted there. Maybe you just accidentally responded to me instead of someone else--unless you are trying to further throw this discussion into confusion, ignoring the main issue. But I think anyone reading our public discussion here would agree that I'm perfectly capable of defending myself in this debate. So, if you are purposely trying to misrepresent me by posting false words,I think the general reader would believe those are not my words.
Did you post about numbers of converts? It was another who suddenly dropped out after that was posted. You handle,nor name was listed was it? No, it wasn't this happens when injecting yourself into a response that was meant for another poster. Perhaps it is necessary to list names so you don't get confused.
i wanna see people debunked the other parts of Zeitgeist..
mastereismaname 5 months ago
The problem is all parts of zeitgeist are actually true, including the part about religions, watch Benjamin Fulfords videos for conformation
BudDub67 5 months ago
Regardless if we believe in god or not.. you still have to work, get food on your table, get good grates in school, watch thousands of people die everyday and fight for your own rights! So really.. Who gives a fuck about religion.. its not gonna change ANYTHING! Period!
mastereismaname 11 months ago
@mastereismaname I actually agree in some aspects of your statement. Religion was created by man; however, the Christian faith was created by God. In Revelations, Jesus will return and banish those of sinful will to the bowels of Hell. Heaven will come upon Earth, and all who believe in Him will live forever in prosperity. Yeah... faith does matter.
Xyrelt 5 months ago
Alex Jones put Peter Joseph in his place, so take that Zeitgeist aka New World Order scum
manfries 1 year ago
When Jesus says that he is everywhere in nature and that we all have him in us, as well, he's sounding a lot like Bhudda...
demoskunk 1 year ago
Christianity was a good idea....when are they putting it into practice?
DotAHeaD 1 year ago
@DotAHeaD Why dont you start with yourself.
SmithV10 1 year ago
the 11th command: thau shalt not disallow ratings.
18ekip 1 year ago 2
@18ekip It's because of your obsession and others like you that made them disable the "ratings", I would imagine, yes?
Innuendoh 11 months ago
@Innuendoh could be. i went on that rampage just for fun, tho. regret in now a bit, if u really find it obsessive; not humor.
18ekip 11 months ago
Let's remember. Who were called heretics? Who were killed by being heretics? Weren't they the first christians? GNOSTICS. That's why the gnostics gospels were called heresy.
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
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You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
Where are the scholars of his day not 50, 100 ,250 years or more after the fact. Why wuold his real disciples not write about him on the spot as he lived. And how was pauls works written way before the gospels and who are the gospel writers and why use the names of his disciples who did not even write the gospels?
caddy1010 1 year ago
julius avocado? how reliable does that source sound? fuck you dude, and fuck your shit god. the king of the kikes, the king of the paranoid christian inbreds, who rape the world in his rotted ass. as a white man i feel disgusted that my race follows Christianity in such large numbers. any one who believes in a god who hates queers and niggers, and all people who don't look like us is fucked up in the head.
go suck the devil's cock and swap cum with mary the whore mother of christ.
jacmeoffalah 2 years ago
"Hanged" is another way to say "crucified"??? "James" was harmed??? Who is that?
Judas died on a cross while "Jesus" is the name the evangelists gave to the character they made up to tell Judas' story? ^^
Spaloot 2 years ago
It amuses me that the Gospel of Thomas can be quoted as 'evidence' despite its supposedly heretic character.
Sigh - just another example of the awkward happenings at Nicea.
GoldenEars69 2 years ago
when you say virtually it can mean almost anything. i wouldnt know i havent read them
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manofreason64 2 years ago
just a quick consideration, how can you have a full eclipse of the sun that does not involve a full moon-- how else is the moon blocking the entirety of the sun--- any other portion of the moon means the earth is blocking the light of the sun to the moon--but ill admit, i might be retarded
SKERLOK 2 years ago
the moon is always a circle...its just where the light is shining lol
astreocclu 2 years ago
About Zeitgeist, The point is that what we are doing isnt working. Relegion dosent help. The people that feed the poor usually do it because they want to not because god was imprinted the laws in their sole or whatever.
Willaras 2 years ago
You support your claim that Josephus' writings weren't a forgery with a source that discusses the existence of Jesus' brother. I suppose it's okay to pick and choose which parts of that we want to believe.
guythd 2 years ago
@guythd The bible only states that mary was a virgin at the birth of Jesus. It states in different gospels that Jesus had brothers. This in no way negates that Jesus was born of a virgin.
Vidrinejordan05 1 year ago 3
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the virgin mary eats my cum
jacmeoffalah 2 years ago
I should e-mail these people about what [exactly]???
lipoicacid 2 years ago
''credentialed scholars''.Who and from where exactly?
lipoicacid 2 years ago
''about this'' What is ''this''?
lipoicacid 2 years ago
As far as I'm concerned, Zeitgeist's credibility dies with the discovery of the dead sea scrolls. It was carbon dated to have been written around the time history recalls Jesus lived. Contains virtually an identical copy of the Old Testament written in Hebrew, and fragements of the New Testament where Jesus Christ is mentioned synomously with Jesus of Nazareth proving they existed and are the same person. Considering how to prove someone existed back then, you can't be more conclusive than that.
sammygebre 2 years ago 14
Thank you! You speak great sense. I have some videos on my channel (sermons) refuting zeitgeists claims, if you care to watch them too. Spread the word. Thanks for you post!
Grambo4 2 years ago
The Dead Sea Scrolls is the ONE piece of evidence that neither Zeitgeist or the Acarya S ever discuss because it completely destroys their Conspiracy Theory! I wish more people would notice it...
sammygebre 2 years ago 2
The Dead Sea Scrolls [what little was released] is damning for Christianity and Judaism if you have an understanding of more ancient religions.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Hi lipoicacid,
Would you please tell us why it's "damning for Christianity and Judaism" specifically. Because, as far as my scholarly studies have taken me, I've noticed just the opposite.
Grambo4 2 years ago
I will be doing that in youtube videos and a website next year.A lot of my material is original and was costly and I see no sense in giving it away for free or at least getting credit for it.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
I will however point you in the right direction.I suggest reading all of the solid material regarding Egyptian,Zoroastrian and Chaldean astronomy and mythology.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Definitely, sammygebre! But the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't the ONLY piece of evidence that Zeitgeist and Jesus Mythers don't consider. Another huge part is the teachings of Jesus - we have them documented by the end of the first centruy; they weren't there before, and then they were there! So, where did they come form? There is a conspiracy of silence about this with the Jesus mythers - they just don't talk about it. Because, in all reality, it's highly likely that those teachings are Jesus'
Grambo4 2 years ago
Zeitgiest is poor scholarship.The real story is worse news for the Bibles =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Zeitgiest, I've read, is now being citied as unethical film making. They ambush unsuspecting christians with this fake crap even the proof they need to refute its claims is right here. I had to watch 70 minutes of this movie, but I am now finally worry free now =]
sammygebre 2 years ago
Zeitgeist is not incorrect in it's main points.The research is poor and minor points are exaggerated.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
@sammygebre
All the Scrolls prove is that the bible we have hasn't been tampered with since the scrolls were written. They don't actually prove that it's truth, they could be copies or a lot of other things.
Not saying that it isn't, but just because they found the old testament not in the form of a bible (book) doesn't mean much.
TaisuX 1 year ago
@sammygebre carbon dating is extremely unreliable most good archeologists recognize this fact.
Kamae89 1 year ago
@Kamae89 lol negative. its extremely reliable however it gives an extremely vague range of age. That doesnt mean its unreliable.
dtroit2 1 year ago
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@Kamae89 lol negative. its extremely reliable however it gives an extremely vague range of age. That doesnt mean its unreliable.
dtroit2 1 year ago
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@Kamae89 lol negative. its extremely reliable however it gives an extremely vague range of age. That doesnt mean its unreliable.
dtroit2 1 year ago
@sammygebre As far as I'm concerned it is irrelevant if Jesus even existed because the stories associated with him are still a myth, this is what Zeitgeist conclusively proves to us and not only Zeitgeist, all in all Religion and I'm speaking about the entire collection of co-influenced religions around the globe lost a very very long time ago the argument against mother SCIENCE. All this documentary is shit.
0101szopen 1 year ago
satan is a reptilian alien who governs over this earth,given his throne by the gods who down from heaven came the other aliens who created man and trick them into praising and be enslaved by their true king, satan.
purplekush604 2 years ago
The same stories were told of the Roman emperors before this Jesus character.Jesus is a myth =/
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Really? Would you please care to share the sources that you've read which confirm this?
Grambo4 2 years ago
You can start with the work of Morton Smith.If you are truly interested I can go through my library and get you many sources.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
lol do ppl still spread out this bs? :P
AquaWolf1e 2 years ago
@ AquaWolf1e
well this movie isn't bs - Zeitgeist is. And yes, people do still talk about it, because so many people are being duped into believing what Zeitgeist says is true, when in fact most of what Zeitgeist says is complete fabrication and lies, while the rest is mostly giant leaps and stretches at making comparisons. If you had taken the time to research any of it, you would probably come to realize why people "still spread out this bs". This vid is good, I have some on my channel too.
Grambo4 2 years ago
Check out 5:31 - the cave looks like a hooded old sage (wise man) with a beard, nose eye looking to the left - creepy huh?
TheRealSilentFury 2 years ago
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buggfire 2 years ago
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God damn this is hard to follow. thought I would give it a chance but its more boring then church.
joshwik 2 years ago
God Damn? I dont think blasphemy is in keeping with the nature of this video, do you?
ApolloXTM 2 years ago
read more! give it a chance! nothing is better than a clear, discerning mind able to reason well.
Contradiction11 2 years ago 3
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This is Christian propaganda. Many years ago the Christians, and the Muslims, tore the great book apart that explains the truth about the
ancients before you. They have kept the truth from you to keep control.
The only reason this movie was even made is because Zeitgeist revealed the truth about the perversion of sun worship, crippling the
Christian numbers.
Free yourself and embrace the consciousness of the world being connected as one.
National Burn Your Bible Day December 25 2012
interested976 2 years ago
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interested976 2 years ago
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As far as the bible is concerned, is the whole species just supposed to believe one single book without any critical analysis or confirming evidence? Where are the original manuscripts? And why are 4 gospels used when it is well known that many dozens existed? Which are we supposed to believe? And what are the "primary sources" upon which the bible stories were created? Who actually wrote them? Why isn't there any other historical documentation or suporting evidence?
mcainiac 2 years ago
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TLSlayer 2 years ago
falseitrue that is wrong get your mind right pleez.......when they say god is a sun they mean as if god is looking over everyone he is the center of the world....why in the hell?.......would a bible author refere to god as a satan does not make any sence.......that only 33 degree free masonry teaching
syko79 3 years ago
i think god should write a new book or put one online.
LordReevan 3 years ago
yeah god needs to keep up with the times..Lol. He needs an email address..a blackberry and instant messaging..
falseistrue 3 years ago
The god can message you via telepathy... and so can the devil. You folks are behind like 100 thousand years.
faro0485 3 years ago
It's called the quran, read it. And remember it's in arabic. Don't forget your arabic dictionary (available on "lanes lexicon" website).
faro0485 3 years ago
uneducated ass if you grew up in a different culture u wouldn't know what the hell a god is nothing but a fairy tale told to you when you were younger. so you come up here on you-tube pretending you are smart and insightful. if god really existed i wouldnt have to bring anything but understanding. I told a joke that had nothing to do w/ u. send me quran or a bible b/c i need the toilet paper
LordReevan 3 years ago
How interesting. Do the educated insult others? Do they desire to put reading materials to waste? Do they insist they know people and answers to life's questions?
What do you say?
faro0485 3 years ago
lol i never ever take this stuff seriously. It was a joke. I would read anything u suggest. I think people w different points of rarly have anything useful to say to each other.
I doubt god in whatever form would care 4 youtube comments
LordReevan 3 years ago
Your other post above suggests otherwise.
You shouldn't lie to yourself.
What form is a god of no form?
faro0485 3 years ago
oh boy nevermind stop stalking me
LordReevan 3 years ago
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DOROTHY MURDOCK, the non-scholar who wrote The Christ Conspiracy and Suns of God, has been proven conclusively to be full of methane gas. Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTTAL parts 1-3. ZEITGEIST REFUTED 1-10. UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE IGNORANT 'MY MIND IS MADE UP DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS' MORONS.
MagusSolitudo 3 years ago
all his referrence are about people who lived many years after the death of jesus but none that where there ....back than imagine a story go around how much that story would change its like similar to the santa story
chava863 3 years ago
Peter was there. They all say Christ. They wrote about it in the Bible, chava. 52 A.D.? You got to be kidding. That's only 30 years after the real event. If any historical event was that close to the date, we'd call it the greatest fine in history.
blicksflicks 3 years ago
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Watch ZEITGEIST CHALLENGE EXPOSES ACHARYA S 1-3, ZEIGEIST EXPOSED 1-8, THE EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF JESUS 1-4, ZEITGEIST REBUTTAL parts 1-3. Zeitgeist and Acharya S are liars.
CaptnNate 3 years ago
Okay , what about the age of the earth,
The dinosaur bones, evolution, extra terrestrial life, the age of the universe, and many other things that people have discovered, that seem to contradict the old testament!
RebelAgainstTheRebel 3 years ago
FYI, the Bible is not an encyclopedia and only Jew follow the old testament. Yes, there are many misinterpretations, but to dismiss things outright is wrong. Christianity has been hijacked by Pagans long ago. Do you honestly believe Jesus would approve the VATICAN, which is drenched in gold, has an phallic obelisk, collects billions $ each year, pays no taxes, molests children, controls the masses!?!? That is why upon Christs return, there's going to be hell to pay! :-)
TorontoBoi 3 years ago 11
Jesus is HORUS..kill the jesus stuff. The truth does not contradict.. Before jesus there was no god except for MYTHS..and those same myths are the jesus you pray to everyday. What is your religion if you believe in jesus or god or the devil?
falseistrue 3 years ago
I'm an open-minded Christian who doesn't blindly follow any one book, just because "it is written." Pagans (i.e. the council of Nicia) declared that Christ was born on 12/25, had exactly 12 disciples, rose from the dead after 3rd day etc. which mirrors Horus exactly, so of course nonbelievers will say its plagiarism. And think about it, if Christ was some made-up nobody, then why are Satanists, Freemasons etc. so hell bent of destroying people who follow him? It doesnt make any sense.
TorontoBoi 3 years ago
Freemason dont care about jesus..they worship EVIL..and they worship Horus. This is why you see all their symbols come from ancient egypt..the pyramid, horus eye, the phoenix, in god we trust, etc. They are masters of deception..when they say god they mean LUCIFER. God is only a TITLE..just like Christ. Freemasons just want to eliminate the false teaching of jesus. Many people dont realize their bible is about worshiping the SUN and Lucifer. Psalms 84:11 God is a SUN!
falseistrue 3 years ago
Im sorry, lets be clear. Ancient Egyptian theology has nothing to do with worshiping EVIL...or the SUN for that matter. This personification of the Sun and other physical entities in Kemetic teaching is no more than a poetic resemblance of GOD (the ONE hidden essence behind all things) for human understanding. Ancient Egyptian Theology (the first monotheistic belief documented) is not a peagan religion. Around the time of Alexander the Greats rule; Euro interpretation destroyed the belief.
jfreeze2010 3 years ago
Exactly, most people do not understand this; however in all honesty RA and Horus had various depiction of power pertaining to the Sun itself. So you are only half right. Many god's usually take on the resemblence of different attributes of nature and are given human personalities; Thor for example is a Norse version of Zeus. If you look at the semblance; they are VERY much alike in power; only difference is in various personalities. Thor was a Warrior god, Zeus was the Greek King God.
IamtheVOICE123 2 years ago
I'm in the same way. You have alot of dumb Christians who don't question authority, then you got alot of NWO types who rail against Jesus Christ. It can be confusing.
Superseadragon 2 years ago
Explain the dinosaur bones plz...
Come on, it's a good story..
But we all know that it's no more than that
jonesthekid 3 years ago
There were prophesies of a coming Messiah but many could claim that during the same period. Take at look at Rivals of Jesus and then think about it.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Baia, that is basically correct. The whole Old Testament was done in preparation for the coming of Messiah which would be a light to the whole world. People do not seem to understand why YWHW commanded the things he did through the prophets and why the Hebrews needed to cleanse the land of canaan of the pagan child-sacrificing heathens.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
The VAST MAJORITY of scholars agree the passage you speak of allegedly written by Josephus is a fraud. In fact they even say had it not been to the forgeries, those writings might not have been preserved. It has been proven by the leading experts on Josephus that he didn't write the passages you rely upon. The fact it is in "his style" is that the person(s) who did write it wanted people to believe he did write it. It isn't difficult to copy a person's style of writing, nor insert it.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Why is it that whenever a source seemingly in support of a a Christian position such as "Gnostic" sources as appears in this section, it is perfectly acceptable to use it, but the very same Christians will be first to condemn those very same authors, speakers, and believers immediately when another person uses those same sources to support a contrary one? This is simple hypocrisy and nothing short of it.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee, he is simply quoting non-biblical sources who wrote of Yeshua(Jesus) and this includes the gnostics, who wrote of and believed in Christ even though they had mixed Christianity with luciferian doctrines.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
If you are speaking of Ehrman, most of the sources I have seen from him were NT sources that he spoke about in Misquoting Jesus. Experts don't refute the mistranslations and agree with his conclusions. Since no sources exist from the time of the reported Crucifixion, and the fact that most of Paul's letters are not even written by him, the problems keep coming and can't be refuted with direct evidence. People can believe what they want, they just need realize evidence doesn't support it.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Where do you get this stuff? Almost all scholars are near consensus that Paul wrote Romans, Corinthians 1 & 2, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon. The only supposed "epistles of Paul" that are disputed are Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 & 2 Timothy, and Titus. There is as much evidence to support the existed of Yeshua as there is to support the existence of other historical characters from that era.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Name your "scholars" the consensus is most of the letters attributed to Paul were written by him. More than half of those are not. the others are now suspect by many of those same scholars. Regardless, you need to produce secular proof attesting to these miracles and none exist. Something so extraordinary would have many people reporting on it and there is nothing but some writings YEARS after the promised return and those aren't even valid as contemporary, let alone secular & trustworthy.
Alockslee 3 years ago
If you do not believe that he was the Messiah or was raised from the dead than fine. But to question his very existence is just plain foolish. Do you think thousands of devout jews suddenly converted to Christianity for no reason? None of the historians that lived shortly after Christ's crucifixion denied his existence. It is only 2000 years later that we get this garbage from the lucifer worshipping theosophists. What about the many other characters from the NT who have been proven to exist?
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Such as king Herod for example.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Where do you get these numbers from? The movement at the time was nothing close to what it has been turned into. Nothing exists from those converts to relate what was believed or practiced. You will bring up the NT but that is not secular evidence about the initial people and that what exists comes YEARS & Years after the events you speak of.
Look up Rook Hawkins essay on Jesus and then ponder the facts.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Yes the movement was small, but the apostles and Yeshuas disciples went all over the world converting. Within 100 year span they made thousands of converts. The movement only became mainstream after Emperor Constantine converted Rome. This is the false church.
WorshipInTruth 3 years ago
Your words:"Do you think thousands of devout jews suddenly converted to Christianity for no reason?", from a previous post and now you contradict yourself!!! So now it no longer 1000s instantly and just a small movement. So which is it? Thanks for responding, but seriously, don't fly off and then do a 180. You look foolish and lose credibility as in this case. Don't get angry, you did it to yourself.
Alockslee 3 years ago
The term "solar eclipse" is a misnomer: the phenomenon is actually an occultation. An "eclipse" occurs when one celestial object passes into the shadow cast by another (as with an eclipse of the Moon). An occultation' occurs when one body passes in front of another. When at its new phase the Moon passes in front of, or occults, the Sun, as seen from Earth, the Moon also casts a small shadow on Earth. An "occultation" of the Sun is therefore also a partial "eclipse" of Earth.
Alockslee 3 years ago
No we don't. Get your facts straight.
ZeitgeistDebunked 3 years ago
I would agree with you in your response here. It must be said however, that many and much of what is believed by Christians have no factual proof whatsoever. An example of this is simply explain in detail how the myriad contradictions in each version of the Bible are simply accepted as irrefutable and infallible when the two or more passages can't exist as it refutes the other. Start at Genesis and work you way through the Bible and see. You can't have it both ways.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
Give one example of a contradiction in the Bible.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
KJV
Start with that. There are many more. On your response argue the text as written and refrain from changing the phrase and post your version if you make reference to any Bible passages.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
You seem to be confident in your habit of taking things out of context.
The Bible is super dynamic and must be considered as a whole. But just in the chapter of John 14, Jesus repeatedly refers to Himself as God. In verse 28, He is comforting the disciples that His human form is going away to the Godly form--a form greater than His human form--and promises them that His spirit form will be close to them when His human form has left earth.
Study what you are debating about.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
And you seem to be so self assured that you can rewrite a direct quote. It stands on its face.
The quotes a directly related and reference the same issue. So your argument is not with me for pointing it out it is with the text and since it is infallible, guess your outta luck. Interesting isn't it, infallible contradiction! Would you like several more of those infallible contradictions posted? Stop while you are behind and realize that you can't refute the truth.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
By "stands on it's face," you seem to be saying "without context."
It is kinda strange to me that you don't want to look at John 14:28 in context. This reminds me of our unfinished discussion of Luke 19:27.
Whether or not you're reading the Bible, the newspaper, a textbook, etc., quotes must be understood in context.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
The quote was written exactly as the NT has it KJV. Explain the verse & next you can try to explain how all the NT and OT quotes on this site are not objected to in the same manner. No, it means exactly what it says and nothing further on my part need be posted. You need to comprehend what you rely upon as the basis for your belief and learn to accept what it is & that is the cause of hatred, death & ruination of the lives of people. More wars from it than any other source. Deal with it!
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
I know the portion of the quote you posted is written exactly as you found it. You are just making outlandish assumptions because you are not reading the quotes in context.
And, no I'm not going to try to say that all the portions of scripture posted on this vlog, by various others, are not subjected to each other. In fact, I said the opposite when I stated that "the Bible is super dynamic and must be considered as a whole."
lastingmohican 3 years ago
And watch the beginning of this film at least. There, as well as other parts, explain a little about how the Bible itself is not responsible for "hatred, death & ruination of the lives of people," and wars. It is certain people and groups--who TAKE THE PORTIONS OF SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT--that are responsible for these anti-Christian acts.
lastingmohican 3 years ago 2
Look, You are flip flopping again. I watched every segment of the video and made comments on each. You can't have it both ways, it is either "super-dynamic" or out of context, which it not true in either case. Just deal with the fact that religion is responsible for more war, torture, pain,HATRED,DEATH & RUINATION than any other cause in History. Christians do all the above. They justify wrongdoing and then complain when called on it. Preachers molesting kids,Mothers killing kids, etc.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
I am flip flopping? Dude, come on.
I said the Bible is super dynamic. You have taken two tiny portions of scripture, and tried to make them look like they do not harmonize. This is obvious to any reader now.
Look, I know religion has caused horrible problems, but Jesus Himself was against popular religion because it caused the same problems then as it does now. Even people back in Jesus' time were taking portions of scripture out of context
Study the Bible!
lastingmohican 3 years ago
You asked for one example. I said there are more. They are given as quotes and in context. They are contradictory as the others I can list.
All of which is obvious to any reader that they are as stated by me above. Thanks for trying, but we both knew that you couldn't refute it but you gave it a good try. Take care.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
Actually, you gave me quotes that were out of context, and which were only portions of the verses you quoted. You also have proven no contradiction yet.
Now, if you want to give me more examples of what you call, 'contradictions' in the Bible, lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder.
Yes lets finish this. Please put up the portions of my posts where that was said by me exactly as you are repeatedly claiming.
The quotes are the full quotes from the KJV. You seem to have great difficulty is accepting the fact that this is exactly the same thing Christians do and now a complete, in context verse is causing you fits. Respond fully to my posts please, line by line.
Alockslee 3 years ago
I notice the section:
"lets first finish our discussion of Luke 19:27, where you say Jesus condones genocide and murder. " was lacking the quotation marks and wanted to make sure you knew it was your words not mine that were being addressed.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
Just go to video 9/10 of this series. Go to "view all '' comments." Start at the top of the comments, and go down. Your first reply to me is the first comment someone marked as spam. Click "show" to see our discussion.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Only more words from texts to be taken on faith. Just because some non-christian guy said something about an event almost 2000 years ago, isn't proof of reality. Closer to our time, over 500 years ago, scholars wrote, and so people believed, the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth. Do you believe everything you hear?
Curt2z2z 3 years ago
This is really good apologetics. I have been wavering in my faith, and this has been helpful to me in re-firming up my "foundation."
mrselfrog 3 years ago
I'm glad this video has helped you. May I recommend viewing more videos dealing with the evidence of Jesus.
ZeitgeistDebunked 3 years ago
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thanks for the vids. very nice.
ladywaterdragon 3 years ago
It actually is true that a solar eclipse cannot happen at the same time as a full moon. The phases of the moon arise from the position that the sun illuminates the moon relative to the side of the moon that can be seen from the earth. A solar eclipse occurs when the moon is directly between the sun and earth, casting a shadow on the earth. This time must be close to a new moon, when the side of the moon lighted by the sun faces away from viewers on the earth.
jkruger316 3 years ago
The assertion was that there are no writings of Jesus, not that there are no writings of Christians. Christ is not Jesus' last name. "Christ" means "the anointed one", and cannot truly be used as a reference to "Jesus Christ", or Jesus the anointed.
jkruger316 3 years ago
Actually, the main assertion in Zeitgeist was there were no credible extra-Biblical accounts of the person, Jesus Christ--another fallacy shot down by Zeitgeist Refuted.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
There aren't any secular accounts proven to support your statements. The fallacy you speak of is upon you to prove it was refuted and not make claims that are obviously knew jerk reactions to solid proof against your claims.
Put up your evidence.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
You post a lot of rambling on this vlog, but with closer analysis, your arguments are strawman fallacies, which ignore the proofs and sources presented in this film.
Here, you use the deceptive phrase "knee-jerk reaction" (at least it looks like that's what you tried to type) in an attempt to discredit Zeitgeist Refuted. But if people move on, and actually watch the whole film, they'll have the questions you raise answered.
The burden of proof to discredit this film rests on you.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Actually, every single statement I have posted has yet to be refuted. Deal with them line by line and do it. Until then you are the person rambling and dodging the issues. I have posted the evidence and refuted this video, now you deal with what has been written. remember line by line refutation of my postings or by failing to do so be recognized as a failure.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
You have yet to prove to me that Luke 19:27 claims Jesus promotes murder and genocide, remember?
Concerning your recent claim that "there aren't any secular accounts proven to support" the existence of Jesus, I just say, watch video 6, and continue with this video, number 7. Take notes, make your argument against the sources the video presents, then we can continue "line by line."
But first, Luke 19:27.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Please stop avoiding your instructions and just follow them. Point out what you refer to with where it was said. As for the sources given in #6 & #7, I already addressed those and gave you a source that you can read and find those sources are not supportive of the Narrator's points, furthermore the sources have been fully discussed by Rook Hawkins. Look up the essay and read it. As I suggested we can continue this on the other forum which has more room to respond.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
I'm beginning to think you are wasting my time.
What, you want me to point out specific minutes and seconds in the video I want you to look at? And no, you have not addressed the sources in 6 & 7 (not to me anyways). And, what essay by Rook Hawkins? You tell me.
What is it you've been saying?: "put up your evidence'" "line by line."
Please don't try to flood me with a myraid of different issues without first completing our discussion of Luke 19:27. One thing at a time.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Then why are you trying to keep this discussion in email and avoiding this forum or the other I offered? here is your email: "reply to your zeitgeist refuted comment
A group of a thousand or so people spread over many nations IS a small group. They were surrounded by hundreds of thousands of pagans. What dont you understand?"
Now it has changed again! Keep the discussion here & stop trying to avoid people from reading your flip flopping. You were wrong several times already.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
Uhhhm, dude? That's not my email you just pasted there. Maybe you just accidentally responded to me instead of someone else--unless you are trying to further throw this discussion into confusion, ignoring the main issue. But I think anyone reading our public discussion here would agree that I'm perfectly capable of defending myself in this debate. So, if you are purposely trying to misrepresent me by posting false words,I think the general reader would believe those are not my words.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Did you post about numbers of converts? It was another who suddenly dropped out after that was posted. You handle,nor name was listed was it? No, it wasn't this happens when injecting yourself into a response that was meant for another poster. Perhaps it is necessary to list names so you don't get confused.
Alockslee 3 years ago
Alockslee:
Good night.
lastingmohican 3 years ago
Is it true that Full moons and solar Eclipses can't happen at the same time.
isin17123 3 years ago