@palmz4u Your statement about GM increasing production to 120,000 units in 2012 is not wrong, just dated. GM made that announcement in December of 2010, when they had over 55,000 pre-orders for the Volt, as it entered production, but as the Volt started hitting the showroom floors in the pre-selected sales areas, the pre-orders fell away. According to the report GM released Thursday (3/3/11), they have an inventory of 1,100 unsold Volts as of 2/15/11.
The US registered vehicle population is 312,000,000, which are 94% gasoline and 6% diesel (ULSD) powered. Because the USA has 72% of the world's known oil reserves (combined conventional and non-conventional reserves), we can switch 95% of our gasoline powered fleet over to "liquid hydrogen" within 40 years, which would stretch our (USA) known oil reserves out to the year 2750! To get to this point, we can immediately make EUD fuel available in the USA jumping the CAFE to 40+ mpg within 4 years.
the car will cost 40K... no matter how you slice it you wont off set the cars cost with gas savings compared to a 20k 20mpg car. the only thing this car is good for is for turning heads and getting the engineers familiar with the design structure
@lumanaty How do you know the MSRP of the Volt? GM hasn't even released the price yet and everyone is making guesses about the price and stating those guesses as fact. Go figure. In California, a $7,500.00 tax credit will be awarded to Volt buyers, significantly lowering the cost down to at least a well equipped Prius price even if the MSRP turns out to be $40,000. That's $32,500.00 and CA is the main market for this car.
@Quy4life The actual production cost, based on the assumption of 12,000 unit sales by 2012, is $71,500 PU, but with the US Taxpayer subsidizing 55% of the manufacturing costs, the retail base price is $42,000 (before a $7,500 tax credit). Considering that after 4 months, only 941 total have been sold (as of March 5th) the Chevrolet Volt is an absolute "failure", no matter how you spin it. Yes, there were 50,000 individuals on the waiting list for the Volt, but $40k-$50k retail changed that.
@BearFlight You're getting your information from a strange source apparently. You're completely incorrect in your assertions regarding the government's financial involvement. GM is paying back on their loan WAY ahead of schedule. Demand is so great for the Volt that GM has announced a huge increase in production for the 2012 model year of 75,000 units or more. i've already seen several Volts here in California and my neighbor bought a silver-blue one at MSRP ($43,700 w/options)- CA and fed cred.
@palmz4u You should know I'm directly involved with GM and research on alternatefuels and the current sales number of 941 total (February sales were down to 171 of that 941 total). Also you should know that GM is NOT ahead of paying back the loan, they have just been shifting money from one government fund to another, giving the appearance of paying back the loan. At GM's level of net profits over the last 6 months, it will take 27 years for them to pay back what they owe the US Taxpayer.
@palmz4u You need to read the "official" press announcements from the last week. General Motors has already reduced their 2011 sales target for the Volt at 10,000 units for all of North America, but internally, they are considering reducing the 2011 production schedules to 8,000, if sales continue to fall over the next 60 days Should the dismal sales of the Volt continue, planned production in 2012 will be reduced to 4,000 units.
@BearFlight Wrong again. GM has announced increased production at 120,000 units for 2012. The 10,000 for 2011 is actually an increase from the original 7,500 gradual start-up production. Supply is way shorter that increasing demand.
@palmz4u Don't misunderstand, I think the kind of technology being tested with the Volt and the Leaf are very interesting, but neither is of any value for our reducing the use of fossil fuels and neither certainly have any real effect on emissions. Should we continue research with these designs (?), absolutely, but I work in the field of alternative fuels to completely replace "gasoline", which we "must" do over the next 4 or 5 decades.
@palmz4u Part 1: The public is not aware of what all is involved with the production of these vehicles (Hybrids, Volt, Leaf, etc.). We deal in vehicle energy (fuel) production availability by volume, overall manufacturing costs, up-stream and down-stream technologies, and up-stream and down-stream emissions/energy production & costs. Though I work in the field of alternate fuels, we are realists and the only practical alternative replacement fuel for gasoline is "liquid hydrogen"!
@BearFlight Now I know where you are coming from. Hydrogen is FAR from being a legitimate alternative fuel. It uses more energy to produce than it generates and costs many times what it costs to produce energy from gasoline, diesel, natural gas, etc. Being a "realist", you probably know the truth about hydrogen. It won't be a viable alternative for decades if ever.
@palmz4u Hydrogen is costly to produce, but only under the current technology. Hydrogen is currently produced by a process called "reverse osmosis" from Natural Gas, but future production will by a similar process from water. Liquid Hydrogen has 2.76 times the energy per pound as gasoline and is the ONLY viable replacement fuel for gasoline that can be produced in the volume required. June of 2008 the US daily use of gasoline hit 397MGPD, but that dropped to 362MGPD in 2010 average.
@palmz4u GM's announcement about their reducing their projection of 2011 sales (down to 10,000 for the 2011 calender year) that I quoted is from GM themselves and is in their monthly report released on Thursday (3/3/11). For further information, refer to Motor City Times (a Detroit industry news magazine). Consumers are pulling their pre-orders for the Volt, but its anyone's guess as to why! Most likely its the cost, but there may also be some dealer packing involved as well.
@BearFlight CNN reports that GM has announced 2011 production to increase to 25,000 units and 120,000 units in 2012 which will reduce the Volt's cost of production by more than $7,000.00 and GM predicts with the federal tax credit, the MSRP will drop into the mid $20s and possibly low $20's with continued cost savings, especially with the current $10,000 battery pack. I happen to know several people who are patiently awaiting delivery of their Volts. The Volt is VERY HOT here in CA!!!!
@palmz4u I certainly don't doubt what you say, I am only reporting what GM is saying in their monthly report, nothing else (I'm just the messager, so don't shoot me, LOL). Exxon/Mobil claims they should get the price of the battery pack down by half, if sales of Hybrids and the plug-ins develop as hoped, but that's to be seen. What needs to be done in the next few months is to get the EPA and CARB to revamp their motor fuel regulations so we can get EUD fuel here in the USA.
@palmz4u The really interesting thing, for example, is that the Ford Mondeo (Taurus), running EUD fuel with Ford's 2.0 TDCi engine, has a smaller carbon footprint than the Chevrolet Volt (when up-stream and down-stream emissions are factored in). Because EUD powered vehicles already exsist everywhere (Europe and Asia), they are the perfect bridge to Liquid Hydrogen and its estimated that 90% USA fleet conversion to Liquid Hydrogen could be accomplished in 30-40 years.
@palmz4u Personally I have no problem with people buying and driving electric/hybrid and electric cars, but even if the projection by our politicans of 1,000,000 plug-ins by 2015, that still means that only 0.3% of the US gasoline powered vehicle fleet will have been replaced. Hardly anything to jump for joy about. As a society, the world has no choice but to find a viable replacement for "gasoline", if we don't, the world will run out of oil by 2100-2120.
@palmz4u Part 2; Information on GM and their sales numbers are a matter of pubic record and their (GM's) most recent monthly report (available in PDF format) shows that the total sales todate of the Volt (through Feb 28) is actually 928. Outside interviews (paid for by GM) of two So CA GM dealers revealed some disappointing news for GM and the Volt. One dealer, whom had pre-orders for 104 Volts, invited the consumer to the dealership to see the first Volt and 87 of the 104 cancelled their order.
@BearFlight Revised. Chevy has upped production estimates for 2012 to 120,000 Volts because demand has risen substantially since its release. GM is purposely trickling out new Volts to make sure quality is at its peak before increasing production in a month or two. Demand WAY outstrips supply. You mention one measly dealer amongst hundreds selling Volts as proof of waining demand??? Not a good way to get real numbers.
by selling every volt it can produce, you mean like 50 volts. Oh yea, at least Toyota didn't lay off its workers, sold its brands and discontinued others. One more thing, Toyota will pull through because they don't sweep dirt under the carpet like GM.
@Quy4life ARE YOU KIDDING??? Toyota is facing millions of dollars in both private and federal law suits for hiding information about their shitty safety defects. When Volt production is fully up and running, GM will be producing tens of thousands of Volts and later, several spinoffs, the first to be a very sleek Cadillac coupe. And for your information, Toyota has laid off thousands of workers. Here in CA over 3000 will lose their jobs this month. Get educated on what's actually going on!
yea you right about everything else except that GM would be selling thousands of volts and there would be spinoffs! doubt it! GM will never raise its head again
@Quy4life There are already over 50,000 people on the Chevy Volt waiting list which continues to grow. The Cadillac version is well into the development stages and GM is profitable again. I'm not quite understanding where you're coming from in regard to GM not raising its head again. They already are even in this continually crappy economy.
@palmz4u Vehicles like the Toyota Prius and now the Chevrolet Volt are highly problematic as to toxicity in battery disposal and high emissions during battery manufacturer, which are problems rarely discussed in the public forum. In addition the Volt uses an E85 engine which also greatly increases the CO2 emissions during its fuel manufacturing (E85 CO2 emissions are 22%-25% higher than gasoline). For every gallon of ethanol produced (for an E85 engine), 1.5 to 1.8 gallons of crude oil are used.
@zoticus1 I guess if you hate the idea of getting an EPA estimated 200+ mpg, carry five people and their stuff in comfort and safety, and drive a car with zippy performance and good handling, then you can call it junk. Otherwise, this car is a undeniable breakthrough clear and simple.
@palmz4u The idea of the "Volt" is interesting, but is also impractical in the long run. The technology for high mileage vehicles already exists, its just not available to the American public due to restrictions by the EPA and the CARB. EUD fueled vehicles are available right now, no waiting, but EUD fuel isn't available in the USA. Example: the Ford Mondeo (Taurus) gets 65 mpg (combined city/hwy) with their 1.6 Duratorq TDCi EUD engine. The Focus with the same engine gets 75 mpg.
@palmz4u Your statement about GM increasing production to 120,000 units in 2012 is not wrong, just dated. GM made that announcement in December of 2010, when they had over 55,000 pre-orders for the Volt, as it entered production, but as the Volt started hitting the showroom floors in the pre-selected sales areas, the pre-orders fell away. According to the report GM released Thursday (3/3/11), they have an inventory of 1,100 unsold Volts as of 2/15/11.
BearFlight 11 months ago
The US registered vehicle population is 312,000,000, which are 94% gasoline and 6% diesel (ULSD) powered. Because the USA has 72% of the world's known oil reserves (combined conventional and non-conventional reserves), we can switch 95% of our gasoline powered fleet over to "liquid hydrogen" within 40 years, which would stretch our (USA) known oil reserves out to the year 2750! To get to this point, we can immediately make EUD fuel available in the USA jumping the CAFE to 40+ mpg within 4 years.
BearFlight 11 months ago
Can u plz check out my channel im doing a vlog everyday for 365 days!
Kerickryantv 1 year ago
tax credit means the consumers paid for it in advance whether you bought one or not as the government gets the money from the taxpayers
tell me exactly where the govt gets the money
emforty2 1 year ago
the car will cost 40K... no matter how you slice it you wont off set the cars cost with gas savings compared to a 20k 20mpg car. the only thing this car is good for is for turning heads and getting the engineers familiar with the design structure
lumanaty 1 year ago
@lumanaty How do you know the MSRP of the Volt? GM hasn't even released the price yet and everyone is making guesses about the price and stating those guesses as fact. Go figure. In California, a $7,500.00 tax credit will be awarded to Volt buyers, significantly lowering the cost down to at least a well equipped Prius price even if the MSRP turns out to be $40,000. That's $32,500.00 and CA is the main market for this car.
palmz4u 1 year ago
@Quy4life The actual production cost, based on the assumption of 12,000 unit sales by 2012, is $71,500 PU, but with the US Taxpayer subsidizing 55% of the manufacturing costs, the retail base price is $42,000 (before a $7,500 tax credit). Considering that after 4 months, only 941 total have been sold (as of March 5th) the Chevrolet Volt is an absolute "failure", no matter how you spin it. Yes, there were 50,000 individuals on the waiting list for the Volt, but $40k-$50k retail changed that.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@BearFlight You're getting your information from a strange source apparently. You're completely incorrect in your assertions regarding the government's financial involvement. GM is paying back on their loan WAY ahead of schedule. Demand is so great for the Volt that GM has announced a huge increase in production for the 2012 model year of 75,000 units or more. i've already seen several Volts here in California and my neighbor bought a silver-blue one at MSRP ($43,700 w/options)- CA and fed cred.
palmz4u 11 months ago
@palmz4u You should know I'm directly involved with GM and research on alternatefuels and the current sales number of 941 total (February sales were down to 171 of that 941 total). Also you should know that GM is NOT ahead of paying back the loan, they have just been shifting money from one government fund to another, giving the appearance of paying back the loan. At GM's level of net profits over the last 6 months, it will take 27 years for them to pay back what they owe the US Taxpayer.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u You need to read the "official" press announcements from the last week. General Motors has already reduced their 2011 sales target for the Volt at 10,000 units for all of North America, but internally, they are considering reducing the 2011 production schedules to 8,000, if sales continue to fall over the next 60 days Should the dismal sales of the Volt continue, planned production in 2012 will be reduced to 4,000 units.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@BearFlight Wrong again. GM has announced increased production at 120,000 units for 2012. The 10,000 for 2011 is actually an increase from the original 7,500 gradual start-up production. Supply is way shorter that increasing demand.
palmz4u 11 months ago
@palmz4u Don't misunderstand, I think the kind of technology being tested with the Volt and the Leaf are very interesting, but neither is of any value for our reducing the use of fossil fuels and neither certainly have any real effect on emissions. Should we continue research with these designs (?), absolutely, but I work in the field of alternative fuels to completely replace "gasoline", which we "must" do over the next 4 or 5 decades.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u Part 1: The public is not aware of what all is involved with the production of these vehicles (Hybrids, Volt, Leaf, etc.). We deal in vehicle energy (fuel) production availability by volume, overall manufacturing costs, up-stream and down-stream technologies, and up-stream and down-stream emissions/energy production & costs. Though I work in the field of alternate fuels, we are realists and the only practical alternative replacement fuel for gasoline is "liquid hydrogen"!
BearFlight 11 months ago
@BearFlight Now I know where you are coming from. Hydrogen is FAR from being a legitimate alternative fuel. It uses more energy to produce than it generates and costs many times what it costs to produce energy from gasoline, diesel, natural gas, etc. Being a "realist", you probably know the truth about hydrogen. It won't be a viable alternative for decades if ever.
palmz4u 11 months ago
@palmz4u Hydrogen is costly to produce, but only under the current technology. Hydrogen is currently produced by a process called "reverse osmosis" from Natural Gas, but future production will by a similar process from water. Liquid Hydrogen has 2.76 times the energy per pound as gasoline and is the ONLY viable replacement fuel for gasoline that can be produced in the volume required. June of 2008 the US daily use of gasoline hit 397MGPD, but that dropped to 362MGPD in 2010 average.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u GM's announcement about their reducing their projection of 2011 sales (down to 10,000 for the 2011 calender year) that I quoted is from GM themselves and is in their monthly report released on Thursday (3/3/11). For further information, refer to Motor City Times (a Detroit industry news magazine). Consumers are pulling their pre-orders for the Volt, but its anyone's guess as to why! Most likely its the cost, but there may also be some dealer packing involved as well.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@BearFlight CNN reports that GM has announced 2011 production to increase to 25,000 units and 120,000 units in 2012 which will reduce the Volt's cost of production by more than $7,000.00 and GM predicts with the federal tax credit, the MSRP will drop into the mid $20s and possibly low $20's with continued cost savings, especially with the current $10,000 battery pack. I happen to know several people who are patiently awaiting delivery of their Volts. The Volt is VERY HOT here in CA!!!!
palmz4u 11 months ago
@palmz4u I certainly don't doubt what you say, I am only reporting what GM is saying in their monthly report, nothing else (I'm just the messager, so don't shoot me, LOL). Exxon/Mobil claims they should get the price of the battery pack down by half, if sales of Hybrids and the plug-ins develop as hoped, but that's to be seen. What needs to be done in the next few months is to get the EPA and CARB to revamp their motor fuel regulations so we can get EUD fuel here in the USA.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u The really interesting thing, for example, is that the Ford Mondeo (Taurus), running EUD fuel with Ford's 2.0 TDCi engine, has a smaller carbon footprint than the Chevrolet Volt (when up-stream and down-stream emissions are factored in). Because EUD powered vehicles already exsist everywhere (Europe and Asia), they are the perfect bridge to Liquid Hydrogen and its estimated that 90% USA fleet conversion to Liquid Hydrogen could be accomplished in 30-40 years.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u Personally I have no problem with people buying and driving electric/hybrid and electric cars, but even if the projection by our politicans of 1,000,000 plug-ins by 2015, that still means that only 0.3% of the US gasoline powered vehicle fleet will have been replaced. Hardly anything to jump for joy about. As a society, the world has no choice but to find a viable replacement for "gasoline", if we don't, the world will run out of oil by 2100-2120.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u Part 2; Information on GM and their sales numbers are a matter of pubic record and their (GM's) most recent monthly report (available in PDF format) shows that the total sales todate of the Volt (through Feb 28) is actually 928. Outside interviews (paid for by GM) of two So CA GM dealers revealed some disappointing news for GM and the Volt. One dealer, whom had pre-orders for 104 Volts, invited the consumer to the dealership to see the first Volt and 87 of the 104 cancelled their order.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@BearFlight Revised. Chevy has upped production estimates for 2012 to 120,000 Volts because demand has risen substantially since its release. GM is purposely trickling out new Volts to make sure quality is at its peak before increasing production in a month or two. Demand WAY outstrips supply. You mention one measly dealer amongst hundreds selling Volts as proof of waining demand??? Not a good way to get real numbers.
palmz4u 11 months ago
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
snehe6021 1 year ago
Kind of looks like the Prius.
Nakedseeker 1 year ago
America! fuck yeah!!!!! go America!
FreshZerglings 1 year ago
And Tank You @FreshZerglings!
dlbysr44 1 year ago
the big 3 use to be the industry standard to beat now even the Koreans beat them
scootosan 1 year ago
More land fill from GM!!
Mrphatbastard1 1 year ago
those guys who clap would be out of job soon. Nobody going to buy that Volt!
Quy4life 1 year ago
@Quy4life At least the Volt will not suddenly accelerate and kill its occupants a la Toyota. GM will sell every Volt it can produce no doubt.
palmz4u 1 year ago
by selling every volt it can produce, you mean like 50 volts. Oh yea, at least Toyota didn't lay off its workers, sold its brands and discontinued others. One more thing, Toyota will pull through because they don't sweep dirt under the carpet like GM.
Quy4life 1 year ago
@Quy4life ARE YOU KIDDING??? Toyota is facing millions of dollars in both private and federal law suits for hiding information about their shitty safety defects. When Volt production is fully up and running, GM will be producing tens of thousands of Volts and later, several spinoffs, the first to be a very sleek Cadillac coupe. And for your information, Toyota has laid off thousands of workers. Here in CA over 3000 will lose their jobs this month. Get educated on what's actually going on!
palmz4u 1 year ago 4
yea you right about everything else except that GM would be selling thousands of volts and there would be spinoffs! doubt it! GM will never raise its head again
Quy4life 1 year ago
@Quy4life There are already over 50,000 people on the Chevy Volt waiting list which continues to grow. The Cadillac version is well into the development stages and GM is profitable again. I'm not quite understanding where you're coming from in regard to GM not raising its head again. They already are even in this continually crappy economy.
palmz4u 1 year ago 4
@palmz4u Vehicles like the Toyota Prius and now the Chevrolet Volt are highly problematic as to toxicity in battery disposal and high emissions during battery manufacturer, which are problems rarely discussed in the public forum. In addition the Volt uses an E85 engine which also greatly increases the CO2 emissions during its fuel manufacturing (E85 CO2 emissions are 22%-25% higher than gasoline). For every gallon of ethanol produced (for an E85 engine), 1.5 to 1.8 gallons of crude oil are used.
BearFlight 11 months ago
Thank You @palmz4u!
dlbysr44 1 year ago
The ancients @ 10 000 yrs. ago, had electric vehicles that were powered wirelessly by large transmission towers, powered by the crystal energy grid?
So, no recharging, and perhaps no batteries were required.
But the great flood and cataclysm brought this age to an end.
We are relearning what the ancients knew.
As far as safety, that is still debatable.
seapeddler 1 year ago
cool, i will own one of these. Not because i will help the planet and crap , cause i will just save money in gas.
deathbecomesu187 1 year ago 7
In the good old detroit when they would start a car that v8 would roar out of the plant!
dugiv 1 year ago
Detroit wtf they are going to get car jacked as soon as they leave the exit
testify221 1 year ago
Junk.
zoticus1 1 year ago
@zoticus1 I guess if you hate the idea of getting an EPA estimated 200+ mpg, carry five people and their stuff in comfort and safety, and drive a car with zippy performance and good handling, then you can call it junk. Otherwise, this car is a undeniable breakthrough clear and simple.
palmz4u 1 year ago 16
@palmz4u
I still want one! Go Chevy.
TrueX7 1 year ago
@palmz4u The idea of the "Volt" is interesting, but is also impractical in the long run. The technology for high mileage vehicles already exists, its just not available to the American public due to restrictions by the EPA and the CARB. EUD fueled vehicles are available right now, no waiting, but EUD fuel isn't available in the USA. Example: the Ford Mondeo (Taurus) gets 65 mpg (combined city/hwy) with their 1.6 Duratorq TDCi EUD engine. The Focus with the same engine gets 75 mpg.
BearFlight 11 months ago
@palmz4u ... the volt on have space for 4 people
denisrenelara 10 months ago