John Coltrane - Blue Waltz - 1965 part 2

[skrajelasu]

spoczi!a są koltrejny w cooloże?

[Modes9]

It sounds pretty intense on recordings. When you see and hear them laying it down, it's extremely intense. Guys like Liebman who were lucky enough to be in the room with these guys say it was a profound experience to hear this group create in front of you.

[rolyperera]

Love the way the footage is edited.

[bmoreheyab]

Incredible video, the footage is well shot and the use of superimpositions in the editing is highly effective. Too bad the audio goes slightly out of sync starting at 6:45min, Otherwise, it's awesome to see, as well as hear, Coltrane's superhuman energy and creativity- the greatest and most prophetic musician of the 20th century.

[leftywilbury]

i love traditional coltrane, melodic coltrane, ballad coltrane, complex coltrane.

i haven't heard all his records, but i haven't heard a bad one either.

[DaveVelo1]

Coltrane pushed the "jazz" idiom to its extremes. There's a fine line to what "is" defined as being jazz and what isn't. Coltrane stepped over that line in his later years.

[CadillacL]

WOW! Words can't describe the energy here!

[plangentmusic]

Trane found it necessary as an artist to explore new terrain and at the time it was the "free" style. He did it well, but it just wasn't as good as his earlier work and maybe he'd say so himself if he were alive today. I wonder where he would have gone next.

[rogelito]

I respect that Coltrane was searching for some new territory musically, but his "out" playing doesn't yields neither the emotional nor intellectual depth of his earlier work. That being said, I love his playing on this clip, which is just pre-Acension.

[edcerc]

i would disagree. Recordings like giant steps follow a way more conventional formula of chords and scales. Recordings like interstellar space require you to think more abstractly. Coltrane progressed as an artist and he used his chops from the straight ahead years to really forge his own path and take jazz to a higher level. You take fit something like interstellar space and fit it into the neat box of his earlier recordings. His musicallity continued to expand untill his death.

[rogelito]

Of course we are expressing our opinions here, and you and I see differently as far as our preferences for periods of Coltrane's work. Neither requires that I think more or less anything, and either could be called "conventional", depending on who defines "convention". And for that matter, are we sure his musical ideas ceased to "expand" at his death? He was constantly searching for something he hadn't heard, and that yielded a great and diverse body of work, from all periods of his career!

[Saxman11290]

greetings from the lopresto brothers.

[aaronamccoy]

this sounds like some lsd induced nightmare..coltranes a spooky dude..when i hear him i see ghosts flying in the sky..

[imajn8]

Not all music in life is able to be put onto Disney soundtracks.

[nbv556]

Prophet of our times...

[edcerc]

what the fuck! this should be playing at all times everywhere. how come ive never seen this.

[opinioninflicting]

John Coltrane makes Jackson Pollack look like a pathetic hiccuping performance artist.

[swolfdab]

god bless

[willy4u4u]

Pure majIcK

[JAZZGAL333]

Absolutely!!!

[DatBlessedBrotha]

Brotha Trane is simply God of the instrument.

[RyLay]

Coltrane is so brilliant.

[livery9]

Beautiful

[Scrooks1]

I would have loved it if he could have played this at my wedding.  Oh well, maybe someone can play it at my funeral.

[Scrooks1]

I would have loved it if he could have played this at my wedding.

[jazzflutist]

It's fun to move your fingers up and down a saxophone, but, sometimes, despite the "brilliance" of the player, it is not fun to listen to. Sorry to burst the bubble.

[opinioninflicting]

maybe your little baby vagina-lipped ears are not ready for the existential backend violation coltrane has in mind here. It's blues by way of recognizing mankind are pitiful automatons, struggling against their own idiocy for some measure of truth, vision and vitality. Sorry you didn't get that.

[rpizell]

I dont think he was recognizing mankind as pitiful automations. Furthermore I don't think he would approve of puting down others' opinions to make oneself feel better about themselves.

[splicernyc]

@opinioninflicting "maybe your little baby vagina-lipped ears are not ready for the existential backend violation coltrane has in mind here" might just be the greatest sentence ever constructed in the English language.

[blazneg2007]

GET OWNED!

[que2pineapple]

Haha, so true

[pasxizeis]

Sure you burst the bubble....not

[badbf]

coltrane's playing, although indistinguishable from chaos to many listeners, is made more credible by the fact that he wrote and mastered incredibly (for the time) complex chord changes such as "Giant Steps" around 6 years prior to these melodic explorations....

[Joe5hg]

as much as he explores far 'outside,' there's plenty of soloing on a Bb blues scale (and other less common modes (supported by Tyner's pedalling of a single chord/mode) - reportedly, he spent hours on end studying and practicing these), so in a way, it's like his more traditional material, but greatly stretched out in time to leave much more space for the modal and timbral exploration...

[words cannot seem to do justice to his genius]

[edcerc]

i think his later works should stand alone as classics without reference to earlier works. I dont think that you should have to hear giant steps to appreciate interstellar space or meditations. His later music(as it should be) was a lot more evolved and expresses way more creativity and musicallity than his earlier stuff. I guess thats only natural in the progression of a practicing artist.

[rogelito]

His close friend Jimmy Heath once told a class he was teaching at Harlem's Jazzmobile that he felt Coltrane was led astray by the "free" players, specifically Pharoah and Shepp. I tend to concur, and curiously time has born that out. Both Sanders and Shepp have spent the ensuing years learning how to approach the concept Coltrane had pre-Acension, much more "straight ahead" modal and chord-change based playing.

[edcerc]

Jimmy heath deserves alot of respect but he is not on the level of genious to second guess coltrane. I never heard anyone play better than pharoah sanders on those recordings with coltrane. It is only natural for coltrane to be influenced by someone that hip. Sanders (allthough he still sounds great) is older and is more comfortable playing more straight ahead gigs making money off his name and alliance with trane. His new music is obvioulsy not as good or influential.

[jaroslavmottl]

isnt this lovely piece colled Blue Valse ??

[opinioninflicting]

it's actually "Ascension," but setlists from the period with the quartet call it Blue Valse?

[darciogmail]

Imagine! Estar lá, nas primeiras filas... O cara construindo a história do Jazz e você lá, hipnotizado, lisérgico!...

[ameneye1]

This video is intense, great and thanks for sharing it. Coltrane did his thing and it is beyond verbal explanation and description. I have been waiting all my life to see Coltrane in action like this. Thanks!

[Zootbruno]

Boy , that was a nice cut , sound glitches and all . I am new to UTUBE , today in fact my first day, but I have been digging Trane for a long time . I don't understand the analogies drawn in the previous post . I saw the band in 1961 and was one of those smiling people applauding . We were glad to be there . The scene was electric . Trane thanked us for thanking him . The supernatural didn't enter into the equasion . It was a communication between people , no strange analogies were necessary .

[HalloweenEveryNight]

People are fucking nut balls....and they never ever LEARN......the people who watched Jesus getting nailed to the cross..and cheered..are the same stupid fucks who clapped at the end of this.........and who always clap after jokes in comedy stand ups an shit.. This is the reason though..why Jazz is so powerful..because it somehow makes it possible for those who get it....not to have to consider those smiley bastards....at all!!

[threeby8887]

Sounds like someone's been reading "Dutchman" a lot lately.

[karmagyurmewangpo]

A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! Great energy + music energy + powerful energy + spritual energy = Cosmos

[invisiblekid14]

wow, cool solo by mccoy!

[ReggaesRockers]

The last note he played were actually two notes at once, never heard anyone play it like that, incredible.

[Astrotype]

Coltrane would spend hours practicing (and perfecting) a single tone on his sax. His playing is unbelievable...

[talkingwall]

my favorite example of what you are talking about is the tune "Attaining" from "Sun Ship". Trane's sound is so pure that it actually sounds more like a wooden instrument in the clarinet family rather than a tenor sax. And no, he isn't playing the bass clarinet that Dolphy left to him, he's playing a tenor sax but he's such a master it sounds like it is made of wood!

[ReggaesRockers]

I think Trane was crying during this song (musically).

[soydennisbaron]

A great performance from Coltrane from Antibes; but what happened to the videos of "Impressions" and "A Love Supreme"?

[Astrotype]

Impressions (as well as Afro Blue and MFT) from July 27 aren't on video afaik. Naima and Blue Waltz were taped from tv broadcasts so I think that's all that was aired. A Love Supreme from July 26 concert has a tiny bit of video available.

[soydennisbaron]

I understand that French television asked Coltrane to play "A Love Supreme", so for 20 years I have been waiting for them to release video or DVD. Has the tape been completely lost?

[Astrotype]

Unfortunately, to date the source footage hasn't been located...

[invisiblekid14]

actually, if you read Ashley Kahn's excellent book about the making of "A Love Supreme", you will find that the french director, Jean-Christophe Averty has it, but gives little replies to the ever-growing inquiries. bastard! still, until that footage gets released on DVD, (by something like the Impro-Jazz label would be preferable), then I will I know that there is a God.

[milcentur]

@Astrotype tapes burnt in a fire in french archives

[talkingwall]

there is one short little clip of the Antibes performance here on YouTube. it isn't very good quality though. The Lewis Porter book makes it sound like no one really knows where that footage really is. I've ordered the Kahn book but I don't think, as a musician reader, any book can surpass the fine work Porter did with his book.

[cashure]

amazig........

[desao3]

Brilliant! Ive never seen this footage before.

Coltrane is immense and Tyner, a joy to watch in action, surely one of the finest left hands of all time?

[fusionhar]

WONDERFUL

[tornvmax]

Talk about tension.

Great performance.

[totpri]

Spectacular

[szumo1982]

Woohoo!

[MilesTrane21]

Where did you get this?

[dragonguyver]

Thank you so much for posting this! I love seeing old vids of masters like Coltrane!