I live in Hong Kong. After 1997, I see many Mainland Chinese immigrants come to live in Hong Kong and from them I know much about China and Mainland Chinese. I hate them very much. They are cheaters and animals. China just invaded Hong Kong in 1997. British army should come back to Hong Kong. Hong Kong should be part of the UK. We never think China is our motherland. China is a piece of shit only. Japan should have Diaoyu Island.
These poor Chinese fisherman's was having a nice day trying to fish. But these Japanese marine boats are circling and seen stalking them scaring the fishes away. These defenceless Chinese fisherman's are angry. Why don't the Japanese go and stalk a Chinese marine boat instead. Theses Chinese fisherman are very brave to stand up to aggression of the Japanese marines. Next time they will have torpedo's.
It was after the UN investigation of the natural resources of the region,and their subsequent report of the findings of their investigation of the existence of abundant underground oil reservoir around Senkaku Islands in 1969.Suddenly,China was very interested in the Senkaku Islands and began insisting that the Islands belonged to China all arong.
you retarded old man, can you review the collision again carefully. Yes, obviously china fishing boat ram into japan boat but the japnese boat steered away from their course and blocked the chinese fishing boat.
The japanese purposely steer away from their course to block the chinese boat.
LOOK at the japanese boat trail. IDIOT. you pathetic old man.
We should reorganize the territories among Japanese, Chinese, and Korea because there are differences in insistences of each country's territory. We should know what we want for territory and need to understand their desire for territory. What we want for territory is protection of main lands and sea territory from Hokkaido to Okinawa which we do not want to be invaded. We should understand demand for each countries and should reorganize the territory strictly to protect each country.
Chinese “I do not hesitate to enter military forces when our country will fight against Japan. And, I will thrust my bayonet into duck-butt Japanese soldier's chest! ”
Please watch this video that shows what earlier happened before China "rammed" the Japanese patrol boat. They were defending themselves. watch?v=4zGKY9-iBGY
Video opens with the poor Chinese fisherman trying to make money for his family riding his boat going fishing and is approached by Japanese.
0:20-0:22 The poor fisherman are confused what is going on.
0:40-0:44 Japanese hurl insults at poor captain. He is confused.
1:10-1:22 Japan turns, rams, smokes and bullies Chinese.
CNN missed this scoop. The person who opened this video to the public testify. "I sent this video to the CNN Tokyo branch office. However, they did not telecast it. So, I uploaded this to Youtube" (from "Yomiuri Online" 2010/11/25 AM3:04)
You cannot just ask a nation to assert authority over disputed territory. And if you arm up then it creates an arms race casting the whole region in a possible conflict.
You might want to go to university and study "international relations" etc.
My god if these countries would just listen to you and your insider, know it all information it all would be better wouldn't it? you my friend are intellectually bankrupt.
Strange how the peaceful nations are the ones who would choose not to release evidence that shows the truth of an incident where it totally vindicates them & their claim in order to not escalate "tensions" amongst citizens.
What would Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, or Moamar Kaddhafi have done with such evidence?
But no, we and our allies are the real problem in the world. Right?
Regarding Japan & the hostilities, no one in that region has forgotten WWII. Its just a fact of life over there.
A 45-year-old Unemployable Taiwanese who suffers from Psychiatric Disorder in Canada. The sicko has problem with social interaction with people, so he has to channel his desire for communication in a different way and becomes an “useful idiot” spreading media bullshits against China on YouTube 24 x 7.
He eats shit for a living and bullshits in “Chinglish” (Chinese English) on YouTube to satisfy his uncontrollable urge. 哈哈!
There is a sentence before that, a sentence about Korea will be weak when unified.
And read the sentence again, I honestly do not know how to explain to you if you don't find the previous statement you post bias. Given the fact Korea invade China times to times. This is my bonus, but honestly I cannot toll this video 24/7, your persistence really had me beaten.
@Balencian I just dont believe it man. How can you be so shameless. If you think the statement is biased make one thats not biased. teach me.Teach me.
@Balencian I did not make such sentence. Thats your imagination. That what you wish what I have said but I didnt. As I said earlier, whether its weak or not does not affect the sentence being biased or not. You have no logic.
@Balencian its not my persistence that beat you. Its because Im not biased in this debate and you cant say anything back. Youll have to do better than making up stuff. I did not say Korea is or will be weak and I did not say anything about what will Korea be if they unite. Every time you make up sth, I have the time to locate the sentence and prove you just made that up. My persistence is mainly for your lies.
@Balencian I have to thank you that u fill my boring lab time. I turn the centrifuge on and have 10 minutes to have fun seeing you make pathetic statements. I have to thank you that you made my lab much more fun.
In case people wonder what I originally wrote. This is what I wrote." Koreans occupied peninsula many centuries ago. and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection." Tell me how you interpreted future in this sentence
I honestly cannot troll this youtube video for 24/7, waiting in front of the computer waiting for a response and quickly reply. Despite the fact someone do not read my comments and hope for a response, and seems to worry about his face more than any things in relation to land claims which is the topic of this video. If the fact that me acknowledging you winning a cyber debate will make you happy and get a life, please, take the victory. =D
@Balencian This is always the case. You have no excuse and call others to get a life. This is entertaining for me to point out for people that you are a dumbass who cant understand the simplist question. Go get a life yourself and get lost. Im having fun here.
@VivaEcoCultBusiness Nobel peace prize is of no value. Just a tool for the politicians. I don't care who wins that. One thing is sure that they will be soon be forgotten and China continues to grow double digit each year. If US continues to fail and piss everyone off then world economy will soon change its center
WIKI Wu'erkaixi (sometimes spelled Wu'er Kaixi; born 17 February 1968) was a Chinese student leader of Uyghur ethnicity in the Tiananmen protests of 1989. He was born in Beijing, but listed as a native of Yili, Xinjiang Autonomous Region.[citation needed] He achieved prominence while studying at Beijing Normal University as a hunger striker who rebuked Chinese Premier Li Peng on national television. He now resides in Taiwan.
・・・ Is this Rumor？ He will attend get Get Nobel instead of Prisoner？
@Bakencian ok whatever I'll come back later with your no proof statements. Answer this question first. How do you say korea was a weaker country is an unbiased way.
Btw, I find the article that you are trying to get me to read. First off it is a column article, meaning it is just the opinion of the columnist and he prob didn't do much research. It is also funny that you completely overlook the feedback (know why I said you are one sided), where people question about the author's objectivity. I can easily find alot of articles that say otherwise, like this one.
But a good research and creditable article about issue like that is usually in this format. Try looking for this peer reviewed journal, and it will tell you why China is still a communist economy despite capitalistic reforms.
Business ethics and Karl Marx's theory of capital: reflections on making use of capital for developing China's socialist market economy
Lu, Xiaohe
Journal of business ethics, vol. 91 no. 1, pp. 95-111, Jan 2010
For your statement, you said "korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" Tell me how the fuck it is not bias? Especially you completely ignored that Goryeo actually fight and defeat China? And noted you said "always", i can already easily proven you wrong with one historical fact.
In relation to this video, all I said is while I disagree with the Japanese claims as R.O.C's claim to the island is actually more legit, the Chinese captain at this incident is clearly at fault. You do not rammed a Fish trawler onto a coast guard ship, it is stupid and dangerous for the crew on the fish trawler and it will help facilitate the Chinese cause or help solve the issue.
If the people of PRC still think risking the lives of your crewmates for childish behaviors is right. I really am comment-less. China and japan need some proper dialogues and both sides need to understand each other respective claims. Or else, they will simply f* themselves up.
I already said this comment once but I will repeat since it seems it is lost
For your statement, you said "korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" Tell me how the fuck it is not bias? Especially you completely ignored that Goryeo actually fight and defeat China? And noted you said "always", i can already easily proven you wrong with one historical fact.
fucking pests. bringing up same shit one after another. READ the damn article I gave you and read all the comment before you want to say sth. i dont have all day for you japs. they just sting you and annoy you. loser japs. pathetic.
Unfortunately, Imperial Japan is the cause of Communist China in the first place.
Without Japanese invasion in ww2, there will be no chicom. And Japan's role during the early 1990s is the exact role Communist China is playing today. The irony...
This is the exact reason why many Chinese from Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan do not want to associate with you Chinese from mainland China. Why are you so persistence in winning and losing over mere cyber fights? I had stated my reasons why you are bias and overly sino-centralistic like ten times in regards to your comment on Korea, it is apparent that you don't get it, and I will continue pushing the idea into you as it is simply a waste of time.
@Balencian Whatever man. You just cant. Read your own sentence and isnt that pathetic? You posed yourself to be someone who say things with credibility. But you just proved you are not. Keep saying I dont get it while you dont have an unbiased statement. Bullshit insults again. like you know Hong Kong or macau people.
The problem with Communist China is they can never sit down and start any meaningful discussion peacefully. In political issue like this, you need to always look at their other's perspective which many educated by CCP lacks as everything they taught revolves around one China (notably CCP).
This is why I never blamed the Taiwanese that they wanted to seek Independence, since there are no compromise in the Mainland Chinese dictionary ever since Mao fucked the Chinese race 30 years ago.
@Balencian Did I say anything that is based on my view? Did I use evidence from anicent Chinese articles? I didnt. Did you reply with logic? You didnt. What you did is the same thing with them. Bullshit insults. I challenge them and then you go all like everyone thinks so. How pathetic.
@Balencian 1 or 0. simple fact. I dont compromise for things that have no solid foundation. Why da fuck would anyone from this debate try to compromise if they think they rightfully owns the island. This type of thing should not be compromised. China did not ask for even one cent from Japan for compensation for the WWII. Do you know how much german gave away?.and u come here and say we dont compromise. Like we care about the oil that much. Whether there is or isnt oil it wont make any difference
@Balencian In the Asian countries involved, claims to compensation were either abandoned by their respective countries, or were paid out by Japan under the specific understanding that it was to be used for individual compensation.
@Balencian Say things with reference after. I dont want to hear you whine about what you and your neighbor think. Ask any economist if China is Hardcore communist. Even Chinese dont say we are communist society. yet you dumb fucks love the word so much. I bet you dont even know the definition of communist.
@Balencian Your idea of peaceful and meaningful discussion is that I dont prove you wrong and you go all pro and shit. That did not happen. Sorry. Either you make it meaningful or you dont. Its up to you. You make solid statements, then itll surely be meaningful. But you cant.
Alright dude, you clearly do not know communism. Do you know what communist economy is? It meant a controlled economy by state council, while PRC had refrained from complete control, its economy still fall largely in the hands of CCP's members, hence it is still communism. A good economist will tell you while PRC there are many capitalistic reforms, in essence PRC is still a communist economy. Moreover, PRC is still a single party dictatorship, another aspect of communism.
@Balencian Changing subject again. I thought so. Just another subject for me to prove wrong. ima go eat and come back. find something challenging plz.
The problem it is taking me time to respond is because you are jumping all over the place. And I am not change topic, you are the one that start going topic, making me to change the answers that I am typing. Interestedly, every time your point is proven wrong, you said I went off topic. As for daoyu islands, you clearly lack objectivitiy, as you only look at the Chinese claim not the Japanese claim. Btw your url are not working if you havent notice.
@Balencian All of the left no answer questions. I feel sorry that I asked. And I feel even more sorry for you because your mental stuff going on and make you forget about those question.
and about the communist thing. read this article from new yourk inquirer by Andrew Bast.
Dude, I already answered most of your questions, if those answers are the one you are looking for I am sorry. Your opinion doesn't change the truth of reality, the world doesn't belong to you or simply PRC. I read the article, and I told you to look at the feedbacks of the article (column) which actually criticize it. You simply are not reading my responses because those are things you do like to hear or read.
I don't get why you are so supportive of Communist China, given the fact CCP hijacked your country and profit at your expenses (unless you have family members in the CCP). You have access to the internet, and prob live outside China, so you have access to outside source, so your ignorance is actually no longer pitiable.
There are many ways to asserted claim over Daoyu Island/Senkaku Islands without doing stupid things like ramming your trawler on to Japanese coastal defence ships. HK and Taiwan done that in before, I don't see why it is so hard for PRC to follow and behave themselves. Do not only look only in the Chinese perspective, the world does not belong to China. It certainly does not belong to Japan either. Acknowledge China and Japan's action affect the globe.
Either you get it or you don't. I am not going to waste my time answering anymore of your replies as if you look carefully, I already answered many of the main questions you asked and have proven you to be incorrect. Let me repeat, your article actually prove you wrong since if you read it more carefully, the feedback in the bottom actually attack your stance, not supporting it. (You need to read it more carefully)
@Balencian You never answered it. I asked you to say korea was a weaker country in an unbiased way and you never said it because you know that it is not.
@chelazy How can china call korea weak nation? What about china? China was devided by many nations of Europian Empires in the end of 19th century and china lost against Britain for Opium war and lost Hong Kong. Also, China was running away from Japanese troops before WW II. However, fortunately, Japan attacked pearl horbor and the US participated the WW II and China could kick Japanese troops from China. In 1979, China tried to invade Vietnam, but Vietnam kicked out China from Vietnam! LOL!
@Balencian And I answered those stupid japs so many times before you that every educated Chinese knows how to get through the great firewall. The great firewall is just for kids and uneducated dumbasses like you. You retards actually believe that. You actually believe that we dont get any information outside of China. Are U retarded?
@Balencian If the CCP hijacker China why is China on double digit growth non-stop for the last 30 years? while the US is devaluing its dollars making everyone stop using the US dollars look at Chinas growth.
@Balencian All I did was to prove those statement the japs gave are not self-supportive using facts. And you call me seeing it with only Chinese view. Did I even use one quote or anything thats from China?
@chelazy ← At the moment Who knows why, Red Commie PERFECTLY control information about the person who showed the FACT with video was Marine-Cop in Kobe Kobe.
After Crime of Red FAKE Fisherman Commie SPY Rammed in Senkaku IN Japan, Red officers were Repeating 100% LIE that "Jap-Side Rammed to China-ship", BUT after Marine-Cop confessed that "I relesed in You Tube", Red officers is Ignoring Marine-Cop and Videos.
@Balencian I'm sorry to tell you this but if you think chelazy is biased you are also biased. You insist that Qing or Ming dynasty claimed the islands first but you would never admit the island to be Chinese territory. Isn't that because you just don't like Communist China. If Qing dynasty did claim the island first, like you said, there should be no reason for you to argue with him.
@Balencian R.O.C claimed that the islands were theirs but that was not until 1971. You insist that Japan's claim was void because it was done during the war. But Sino-Japanese war was not a total war like WW2. There was enough time for China to raise an objection. If Russia have claimed one of Ogasawara islands to be theirs, during Russo-Japanese war, undoubtedly Japan will tell the world that Russia's claim is void.
I actually claimed the island as Chinese territory a few times; It is Republic of China's territory not People's Republic of China nor Japan.
I am not arguing with chelazy in regards to the land claims, as we both agree its Chinese. I am criticizing his ways in calling Korea weak as sino-centric and there are also some unrelated issues he wanted me to answer, which I had answered but he does not understand.
@Balencian You kept saying im biased. How am I biased saying korea was a weak country. I want to hear you say it. What would you say if you want to say korea was a weak country. Dont give me shit about korea wasnt weak. Whether its weak or not has nothing to do with me being biased or not. You dont understand the logic in it do you.
U should be ally with chelazy. You are all Chinese. No matter PRC ROC it is for Chinese people.
It is the dirty right wings and conservatives in Japan who want to break up, weaken and make the improving life of Chinese destroyed. They are no different than their grandfathers.
@jaha111 I said Korea was a weaker country and he thinks thats a biased statement. I mean how would you say it if you want to say korea was a weaker country. I cant think of any alternative way of saying it. He thinks that if I said korea was weaker that makes me biased because he pulled some shits saying korea is not weak. Is being weak or not even related to being biased. He doesnt have logic yet he comes over and play the mr nice guy.
@chelazy ← Hey Red, if he will attend and receive Nobel Peace Prize instead of Mr.Liu, you COMMIE Must send Red Blackmails to Taiwan Country and Norway Country both !! :))
@chelazy ← Hey Red, but from Taiwan Country Teresa Teng who DETESTED you Commie's Despotism cannot attend Nobel Peace Prize Conference although she sang in Tiananmen with WEAR of Anti-Red Commie Slogans !!
I actually agree with him on the issues about China's land claim but I think there are better ways fisherman can do than ram his trawler to a coast guard ship to assert his claim. That said, I criticized him when he bought in Korea (scrolls back the pages) and calling them "always weak" and "will be weak" and unfortunately he don't like it and we went off topic there. It is kind off a one way conversation, since I told him in my last reply, but prob not aware since he prob didnt read
It is important to noted not all Japanese are bad even in WW2, and many are actually victims of Imperialism themselves. But I do agree with you some revisionists had some nasty ideas up their sleeves.
@Balencian What a loser. Keep pretending you didnt see my question. Say it. Say Korea was a weak country in an unbiased way. Just keep pretending. I never said they will be weak. You add new stuff in every time and call me off topic. what a loser.
Your way of interpreting land claim is only your personal opinion, when put in front of the court, claim may by one side during the middle of war is actually meaningless.
Whether a war is a total war or not total war is not an issue; total war only meant that the countries rendered every available resources to fight, it does not make it weigh more or less when making a treaty.
Claims made before the establishment of the U.N, especially by one with little significant historical affiliations over one that has historical affiliations is extremely weak. Given the fact, most land distribution is made after the establishment of the UN, hence the Cairo Conference actually overrides that claim.
I think China and Japan should just bring this case into court, although it may be problematic when the communists are representing China in the UN atm.
I would not deny that I might have be bias, but I hope you would not deny the fact that you might be bias as well.I personally think if people look at two different end of the spectrum before coming into a conclusion over political issues, the world would've been a much better place. Anyways, I am off now, here is an article written by a Japanese individual that offers a more neutral stance imo,
@Balencian Of course I won't deny that I too am biased. But I'm afraid I must say you are the only one here that is not facing the reality. Whether you like it or not, Tibet is now part of China. When we say China, it means People's Republic of China. Japan and Korea had been WEAK countries compared to the kingdoms who ruled the "Central Plain" (China). The only reason Japan remained safe for nearly two thousand years was because it was surrounded by ocean.
Unfortunately, you seems unaware that you have indulged yourself into popular belief instead of reality. As far as I am concern, the R.O.C is still flying proudly over Taiwan and many China towns across the globe, and as long as R.O.C still hold a 1 cm of land, there are still two China. Moreover, the definition of China is not what you think or P.R.C thinks, but what Chinese people thinks. As far as I am concern, there are two camps, hence there are two China.
PRC was only accepted as one China "politically" by the many in the world because the world want to trade with him and P.R.C do not accept "two China" politically just as it don't accept that Tienanmen Massacre took place "politically". I am confused about your stance of Tibet, so is it part of China or not part of China? And if you really accept PRC as one China, all ROC claims actually goes to PRC, then all of ROC claims goes to PRC, making PRC legally the holder of the isle
As for my comment with Chelazy, if you look back at our dicussion, he said Korea is "always weaker" and "will be weak once they are unified", not "Korea is weaker" and I had explain to him why his comments is bias. Historically, Korea had successfully taken many Chinese lands and I am sure no one knows about the future, this is why it is bias to say Korea will be weak once unified. I acutally told him, i wont reply anymore of his comments in my last reply, but he prob didnt read it.
@Balencian Qing dynasty did not claim sovereignty over the islands. Until 1970, no Taiwanese map said the islands belong to them. These are also facts.
"claim may by one side during the middle of war is actually meaningless" I thought you said something about a "loophole" :(
Japan did paid both China large amount of lump sum payment, unfortunately it went into the pockets of Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Tse Tung, who said they forgave them. Both dictator should not have accepted the money, as those money belong to the Chinese people not them. And oil matters a lot in Daoyu /Senkaku, if its not for the oil, no one will ever fight over them in the first place. Humans especially government are not angelic people, we all do things out of personal interest.
This is what happened here for the last 2 days. people coming over and challenge my statement. When I find resource or prove them wrong they turn away or say sth else. Can any of you guys be something worthy that I felt I learned something when debating this with you noobs? It seems you cant. Ignorant and stupid.
@chelazy ← The person who showed Red SPY's Crime was CoastGuard Cop in Kobe Japan.
With this video The World COULD Recognize well Odd Nation Red China AGAIN.
France REJECTED Red China's Demand = Do Not attend Nobel Peace Prize Conference for Mr.Liu. Of course Norway who was Threatened by Red China MUST Attend Conference for Mr.Liu FOR Democracy.
In Dec, Oslo shall have Big Festival of Anti-Red Despotism which Produced THREE Nobel Winners with 『Tibet NATION』, Burma NATION and Own Prisoner Liu.
@VivaEcoCultBusiness You just done give do you. Been replying over and over. bringing up new subject after subject. youre like a pest. a pathetic one. everry time i reply to you and when you cant say anything back you go under for a few hours and come back with sth new wish every one has forgot how dumbass you are. THAT is pathetic.
In 1842 Official Chinese updated territorial book clearly states far-east of china is up to Cock-Cage-City(鶏籠城) Taiwan. The Senkaku Islands did not belong to anybody. 1895 Japanese Government put it in according to international law. China didn't oppose the move. late 1960s 3rd party said potencial oil and others around the islands, then Communists and Nationalists(taiwan) both started say its been ours. That is the story folks. Oh yeh, Tibet never belong to China.
Would you please show us which historical document described Japan as "big bad guy" at that time ??
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Ask any one.japs bombed the US invaded nearly all east asia countries. That doesnt make jap a big bad guy. Then theres no bad guy on earth I say.
Dude, both you and chelazy is bias and is narrow in your understanding of history. The different is Chelazy is pro-People's Republic of China while you are Pro-Right wing movement of japan. Both group of people are the same shit that want to start war, just different assholes.
Funny that you and Chelazy is asking me the same question. The fact is both of you are only getting your sources from your respective nation's view and you only cared about the view of your nation. If you don't find that as bias, I don't think you get it, it is just like math either you get it or you don't.
Japan is a great nation, but i fear it might change. The Japanese right wingers hijacked the Japanese gov in 1930s, and they can certainly do it again today.
But that does not mean you don't interpret them wrong. And don't forget there is alot of Chinese overseas, it written in english do not make it less bias than a Chinese source.
Apart from normal sources, I actually go to CCP's sites and Japanese right wingers' sources to read history as I want to see what they had to offer (yes, even garbage might sometimes be useful, especially to understand why the other side is angry).
@Balencian R U seriously going to let me do research on korea which is irrelevant to the topic? okay then. google scholar korea china paid tribute history. first match. It pointed out the relations of the counties surrounding china, what role they played and how they realized to form counties. ill look for some other articles.
....I m not your boss or your teacher and i definitely is not the owner of youtube, so research anything you like and post them here if you must. I think if you are so into debating this topic, you should get into some university, get into Asian-pacific studies and write a thesis about it.
Just let you know alot of Neo-Nazis write thesis about how racism is right based on on historical text which are probably biased to begin with. I think the question bias or not is very simple, imagine you called someone inferior because their ancestors work for you, will you agree to it? What are you saying about Korea is the same thing, just because Korea pay tribute to China during the Yi dynasty, they are weak? And you see nothing wrong with that?
I recalled you called Korea is destined to be a weaker nation. So let me change the wordings, my ancestors beat the shit out of you, therefore I will beat the shit out of you.
@Balencian So let me change the wordings, my ancestors beat the shit out of you, therefore I will beat the shit out of you. i dont find any logic in that.
You said Korea paid tribute to China during Yi Dynasty, therefore they will play the weaker nation in the future once they are united...It is the same as if you are saying your ancestors beat the shit out of someone, therefore you will beat the shit out of that person. The logic is clear, but like math, you get it or you dont.
@Balencian I said korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country."and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" these are the actual words.
@Sam000RAI wiki Japanese_war_crimes first. wiki is not 100% accurate but a great deal of them are. ill find what japs did to korea and some other countries.
to see who am I talking to, reading the person the comment direct to.
yes, you didn't say communist China, so i assume your insult directed to every Chinese on this planet? You always said well studied historical document...? So where are the historical document and are you sure they do not have bias objectivity. To truely understand history, you need to read history from all sides, personally I read history from China, Japan, U.S.A and etc.
@Balencian You dont get it at all. You dont. explain it to me how am I biased when I made statements. You didnt reply me about the korea statement.I mean seriously??? They have to send yearly tribute to China for god knows how long. That doesnt make them a subordinate player?
I think I will just give you the same reply I give to Sam000RAI, so just read the first para I give to him. As far as I am concern only the Yi Dynasty paid tribute to China (Korean history is longer than that, what about Goryeo who defeated the Tang?).
Your view is a very sino-centric view. There is a reason why Chinese had few friends in international politics. You will need to loose that egotistical view that China is the centre of the earth to have a better view of things.
@Sam000RAI the ownership of lands of those treaties signed should be returned to their original owners. Only reason japs grasp on is that the islands are not included in that treaty. actual words are several pages before this. Go find it yourself.
Don't blame it all on Japan, the islands were given to Japan by Americans. So should we blame America, why did it took China two years to assert that those islands were stolen? Why did Japan and China didn't try to solve this issue much earlier (In fact, Deng XiaoPing and Japanese PM in 1970s purposely not settle this dispute saying it is best to leave it to the later generation.) honestly, everyone need to think of each other and find a resolution that everyone is happy.
This is why I think both sides need to control the chauvinists that want to start shit. I find many from both sides lack the understanding how trivial this problem due to the recent events. I think most in international community really don't want to do anything about it and China, US and Japan will definitely veto any bill in the UN to settle this issue in their respective favor. It will be long negotiations before anything be settled, and hopefully everyone will be happy.
And Yes, It's very samll island but not trivial problem.
Because Senkaku can be a path to west Pacific area from south china sea.
You know what ??
She can put submarine in west pacific water and have ability to threaten nuclear attack at California.
if she controls waters around Senkaku. it's first step to challenge current world order. If that kind of things happens, Japan lose not only senkaku but also homeland.
Back in 1996, the Japanese history had a long history of ramming their coastal defense ships onto trawlers carrying Taiwanese and Hong Kong Protesters on their way to Daoyu islands. P.R.C only got into issues in the recent decades, and their "awesome behavior" to do a lot of justice to the Chinese cause.
I think as i stated, legally, the islands belonged to Republic of China (commonly known as Taiwan), not Communist China. How big of a threat is R.O.C anyways?
The Chinese dictator Chiang Kai-Shek claimed in 1961 that the Senkaku Islands were stolen by then. Ever since, due to the growing threat of Communist China, Kuomintang leadership who are mostly selfish bastards (since they are politicians but are still better than CCP) decided to avoided the issue once they took power so Japan will argue with PRC. Ma Ying Jeou, current president of R.O.C was actually a vivid supporter of Daoyu island as R.O.C before he took office.
@Balencian lol No wonder I couldn't find Chiang Kai-Shek's claim (1961) on the internet. I was also reading 使琉球錄 but that too didn't seem like an international declaration to me.
I'm sorry but I have to say, it's too late to claim the islands. If you strongly believe that 1971 claim of taiwan is more persuasive than that of japan, I advise you people to bring it to Japanese News Media like NHK. NHK is willing to persuade Japanese people by showing it on TV.
NHK conspiracy theory again? NHK is not anti-Japanese, it is just liberal media which sometimes might bring things up that conservatives do not like to hear. CCTV and Sakura TV on the other hand really are propaganda.
Anyways, I am off to bed, it is a good discussion despite the ideological differences. And sorry about mixing up the two dates.
Senkaku Island is ALWAYS belong Japan! FUCK those greedy commies!
Said from Macau!
Shinamustbedown 3 months ago
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Shinamustbedown 3 months ago
go china sink um all
wiccanmoonman 7 months ago
Now Mainland Chinese uses Hong Kong to commit crimes.
keynesac 7 months ago
I live in Hong Kong. After 1997, I see many Mainland Chinese immigrants come to live in Hong Kong and from them I know much about China and Mainland Chinese. I hate them very much. They are cheaters and animals. China just invaded Hong Kong in 1997. British army should come back to Hong Kong. Hong Kong should be part of the UK. We never think China is our motherland. China is a piece of shit only. Japan should have Diaoyu Island.
keynesac 7 months ago 2
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keynesac 7 months ago
reeeeeeeaaaaaaallllyyy!!!!!!! lol retard
avalon81 8 months ago
what a great video this is!
your video is popular in japanese video site.
they said "good job,texas daddy".
Thank you for your video.
from japanese
porongou77 8 months ago
i can see the japanese have very good camera captured that chinese fishing boat ram into japanese ship. very dangereous.
samquan123 9 months ago
IT SEEMS THIS GUY IS A LITTLE BIT STUPID AND BORING.
kkfish1860 10 months ago
NUTJOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bmwz3rdstr 1 year ago
These poor Chinese fisherman's was having a nice day trying to fish. But these Japanese marine boats are circling and seen stalking them scaring the fishes away. These defenceless Chinese fisherman's are angry. Why don't the Japanese go and stalk a Chinese marine boat instead. Theses Chinese fisherman are very brave to stand up to aggression of the Japanese marines. Next time they will have torpedo's.
CaringKingdom 1 year ago
@CaringKingdom
what an idiot you are.
no wonder Chinese boat would try to ram into Japanese vessel.
Nadeshiko637 1 year ago
@CaringKingdom
lol
I bet you have no eyes LOL
tenacioustaut 1 year ago
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It was after the UN investigation of the natural resources of the region,and their subsequent report of the findings of their investigation of the existence of abundant underground oil reservoir around Senkaku Islands in 1969.Suddenly,China was very interested in the Senkaku Islands and began insisting that the Islands belonged to China all arong.
samurai1000rx 1 year ago
you retarded old man, can you review the collision again carefully. Yes, obviously china fishing boat ram into japan boat but the japnese boat steered away from their course and blocked the chinese fishing boat.
The japanese purposely steer away from their course to block the chinese boat.
LOOK at the japanese boat trail. IDIOT. you pathetic old man.
wmw7982 1 year ago
@wmw7982
Those who have eyes can see the truth so easily LOL
God bless you hahaah
tenacioustaut 1 year ago
Go! Propaganda Buster!!XD
dainichinyoraihida 1 year ago
We should reorganize the territories among Japanese, Chinese, and Korea because there are differences in insistences of each country's territory. We should know what we want for territory and need to understand their desire for territory. What we want for territory is protection of main lands and sea territory from Hokkaido to Okinawa which we do not want to be invaded. We should understand demand for each countries and should reorganize the territory strictly to protect each country.
kanehira32 1 year ago
Chinese “I do not hesitate to enter military forces when our country will fight against Japan. And, I will thrust my bayonet into duck-butt Japanese soldier's chest! ”
ttp://news.searchina.ne.jp/disp.cgi?y=2010&d=1227&f=national_1227_024.shtml
boybe000 1 year ago
redneck....
kongfu1987 1 year ago
Please watch this video that shows what earlier happened before China "rammed" the Japanese patrol boat. They were defending themselves. watch?v=4zGKY9-iBGY
Video opens with the poor Chinese fisherman trying to make money for his family riding his boat going fishing and is approached by Japanese.
0:20-0:22 The poor fisherman are confused what is going on.
0:40-0:44 Japanese hurl insults at poor captain. He is confused.
1:10-1:22 Japan turns, rams, smokes and bullies Chinese.
PRCMSS26 1 year ago
@bmwz3rdstr - Only 100?
PropagandaBuster 1 year ago
Dirty business is what China's specialty,
no doubt.
asakaolol 1 year ago
Coast Guard officer sent Senkaku video to CNN Tokyo bureau.
Where is TRUE media?
brizzlo1995 1 year ago
CNN missed this scoop. The person who opened this video to the public testify. "I sent this video to the CNN Tokyo branch office. However, they did not telecast it. So, I uploaded this to Youtube" (from "Yomiuri Online" 2010/11/25 AM3:04)
Well, who trashed this video?
Chief of Tokyo branch office?
Someone of CNN main office?
I can't tell.
Tokyo branch office only says "No comment".
cineking 1 year ago 2
chinese mass media CCTV was saying that the japanese patrol boat collided into the chinese fishing vessel..... Can you trust chinese?
pinoko1311 1 year ago 2
You cannot just ask a nation to assert authority over disputed territory. And if you arm up then it creates an arms race casting the whole region in a possible conflict.
You might want to go to university and study "international relations" etc.
My god if these countries would just listen to you and your insider, know it all information it all would be better wouldn't it? you my friend are intellectually bankrupt.
reprimand33 1 year ago
you are a retard!!!
reprimand33 1 year ago
5 reasons why the Senkaku islands are not Chinese Territory.
watch?v=uSx2mBxIhXc
WondrousJapanForever 1 year ago
lol, you guys don't get asian thinking. china did that on purpose to test japan if they are desperate to get the island.
dragoon7201 1 year ago
Strange how the peaceful nations are the ones who would choose not to release evidence that shows the truth of an incident where it totally vindicates them & their claim in order to not escalate "tensions" amongst citizens.
What would Kim Jong Il, Saddam Hussein, or Moamar Kaddhafi have done with such evidence?
But no, we and our allies are the real problem in the world. Right?
Regarding Japan & the hostilities, no one in that region has forgotten WWII. Its just a fact of life over there.
NoGuff 1 year ago
↓ ↓ ↓ ATTENTION ↓ ↓ ↓
@ChinkVivisector = Taiwanese SHIT-EATER
A 45-year-old Unemployable Taiwanese who suffers from Psychiatric Disorder in Canada. The sicko has problem with social interaction with people, so he has to channel his desire for communication in a different way and becomes an “useful idiot” spreading media bullshits against China on YouTube 24 x 7.
He eats shit for a living and bullshits in “Chinglish” (Chinese English) on YouTube to satisfy his uncontrollable urge. 哈哈!
CompantinoEatShit 1 year ago 2
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ViveinIibertate 1 year ago 6
There is a sentence before that, a sentence about Korea will be weak when unified.
And read the sentence again, I honestly do not know how to explain to you if you don't find the previous statement you post bias. Given the fact Korea invade China times to times. This is my bonus, but honestly I cannot toll this video 24/7, your persistence really had me beaten.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian I just dont believe it man. How can you be so shameless. If you think the statement is biased make one thats not biased. teach me.Teach me.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian I did not make such sentence. Thats your imagination. That what you wish what I have said but I didnt. As I said earlier, whether its weak or not does not affect the sentence being biased or not. You have no logic.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian its not my persistence that beat you. Its because Im not biased in this debate and you cant say anything back. Youll have to do better than making up stuff. I did not say Korea is or will be weak and I did not say anything about what will Korea be if they unite. Every time you make up sth, I have the time to locate the sentence and prove you just made that up. My persistence is mainly for your lies.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian I have to thank you that u fill my boring lab time. I turn the centrifuge on and have 10 minutes to have fun seeing you make pathetic statements. I have to thank you that you made my lab much more fun.
chelazy 1 year ago
In case people wonder what I originally wrote. This is what I wrote." Koreans occupied peninsula many centuries ago. and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection." Tell me how you interpreted future in this sentence
chelazy 1 year ago
I honestly cannot troll this youtube video for 24/7, waiting in front of the computer waiting for a response and quickly reply. Despite the fact someone do not read my comments and hope for a response, and seems to worry about his face more than any things in relation to land claims which is the topic of this video. If the fact that me acknowledging you winning a cyber debate will make you happy and get a life, please, take the victory. =D
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian This is always the case. You have no excuse and call others to get a life. This is entertaining for me to point out for people that you are a dumbass who cant understand the simplist question. Go get a life yourself and get lost. Im having fun here.
chelazy 1 year ago
@VivaEcoCultBusiness Nobel peace prize is of no value. Just a tool for the politicians. I don't care who wins that. One thing is sure that they will be soon be forgotten and China continues to grow double digit each year. If US continues to fail and piss everyone off then world economy will soon change its center
chelazy 1 year ago
WIKI Wu'erkaixi (sometimes spelled Wu'er Kaixi; born 17 February 1968) was a Chinese student leader of Uyghur ethnicity in the Tiananmen protests of 1989. He was born in Beijing, but listed as a native of Yili, Xinjiang Autonomous Region.[citation needed] He achieved prominence while studying at Beijing Normal University as a hunger striker who rebuked Chinese Premier Li Peng on national television. He now resides in Taiwan.
・・・ Is this Rumor？ He will attend get Get Nobel instead of Prisoner？
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@Bakencian ok whatever I'll come back later with your no proof statements. Answer this question first. How do you say korea was a weaker country is an unbiased way.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Btw, I find the article that you are trying to get me to read. First off it is a column article, meaning it is just the opinion of the columnist and he prob didn't do much research. It is also funny that you completely overlook the feedback (know why I said you are one sided), where people question about the author's objectivity. I can easily find alot of articles that say otherwise, like this one.
nytimes.com/2010/03/02/business/global/02inside.html
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
But a good research and creditable article about issue like that is usually in this format. Try looking for this peer reviewed journal, and it will tell you why China is still a communist economy despite capitalistic reforms.
Business ethics and Karl Marx's theory of capital: reflections on making use of capital for developing China's socialist market economy
Lu, Xiaohe
Journal of business ethics, vol. 91 no. 1, pp. 95-111, Jan 2010
Balencian 1 year ago
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@chelazy
For your statement, you said "korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" Tell me how the fuck it is not bias? Especially you completely ignored that Goryeo actually fight and defeat China? And noted you said "always", i can already easily proven you wrong with one historical fact.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
In relation to this video, all I said is while I disagree with the Japanese claims as R.O.C's claim to the island is actually more legit, the Chinese captain at this incident is clearly at fault. You do not rammed a Fish trawler onto a coast guard ship, it is stupid and dangerous for the crew on the fish trawler and it will help facilitate the Chinese cause or help solve the issue.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
If the people of PRC still think risking the lives of your crewmates for childish behaviors is right. I really am comment-less. China and japan need some proper dialogues and both sides need to understand each other respective claims. Or else, they will simply f* themselves up.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
I already said this comment once but I will repeat since it seems it is lost
For your statement, you said "korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" Tell me how the fuck it is not bias? Especially you completely ignored that Goryeo actually fight and defeat China? And noted you said "always", i can already easily proven you wrong with one historical fact.
Balencian 1 year ago
fucking pests. bringing up same shit one after another. READ the damn article I gave you and read all the comment before you want to say sth. i dont have all day for you japs. they just sting you and annoy you. loser japs. pathetic.
chelazy 1 year ago
If Japan governs China,
The issue of Taiwan did not occur.
The earth was not polluted.
Slaughter did not happen in Africa and Tibet, Turkestan.
It decreased that a Chinese troubled the world above all.
Okey, we grope for the course.
romerome2008 1 year ago
@romerome2008
Unfortunately, Imperial Japan is the cause of Communist China in the first place.
Without Japanese invasion in ww2, there will be no chicom. And Japan's role during the early 1990s is the exact role Communist China is playing today. The irony...
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian Cant do it can you. Prove your point or admit defeat.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
This is the exact reason why many Chinese from Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan do not want to associate with you Chinese from mainland China. Why are you so persistence in winning and losing over mere cyber fights? I had stated my reasons why you are bias and overly sino-centralistic like ten times in regards to your comment on Korea, it is apparent that you don't get it, and I will continue pushing the idea into you as it is simply a waste of time.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian Whatever man. You just cant. Read your own sentence and isnt that pathetic? You posed yourself to be someone who say things with credibility. But you just proved you are not. Keep saying I dont get it while you dont have an unbiased statement. Bullshit insults again. like you know Hong Kong or macau people.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
The problem with Communist China is they can never sit down and start any meaningful discussion peacefully. In political issue like this, you need to always look at their other's perspective which many educated by CCP lacks as everything they taught revolves around one China (notably CCP).
This is why I never blamed the Taiwanese that they wanted to seek Independence, since there are no compromise in the Mainland Chinese dictionary ever since Mao fucked the Chinese race 30 years ago.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian Did I say anything that is based on my view? Did I use evidence from anicent Chinese articles? I didnt. Did you reply with logic? You didnt. What you did is the same thing with them. Bullshit insults. I challenge them and then you go all like everyone thinks so. How pathetic.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian 1 or 0. simple fact. I dont compromise for things that have no solid foundation. Why da fuck would anyone from this debate try to compromise if they think they rightfully owns the island. This type of thing should not be compromised. China did not ask for even one cent from Japan for compensation for the WWII. Do you know how much german gave away?.and u come here and say we dont compromise. Like we care about the oil that much. Whether there is or isnt oil it wont make any difference
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian In the Asian countries involved, claims to compensation were either abandoned by their respective countries, or were paid out by Japan under the specific understanding that it was to be used for individual compensation.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian Say things with reference after. I dont want to hear you whine about what you and your neighbor think. Ask any economist if China is Hardcore communist. Even Chinese dont say we are communist society. yet you dumb fucks love the word so much. I bet you dont even know the definition of communist.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian Your idea of peaceful and meaningful discussion is that I dont prove you wrong and you go all pro and shit. That did not happen. Sorry. Either you make it meaningful or you dont. Its up to you. You make solid statements, then itll surely be meaningful. But you cant.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Alright dude, you clearly do not know communism. Do you know what communist economy is? It meant a controlled economy by state council, while PRC had refrained from complete control, its economy still fall largely in the hands of CCP's members, hence it is still communism. A good economist will tell you while PRC there are many capitalistic reforms, in essence PRC is still a communist economy. Moreover, PRC is still a single party dictatorship, another aspect of communism.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian Changing subject again. I thought so. Just another subject for me to prove wrong. ima go eat and come back. find something challenging plz.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
The problem it is taking me time to respond is because you are jumping all over the place. And I am not change topic, you are the one that start going topic, making me to change the answers that I am typing. Interestedly, every time your point is proven wrong, you said I went off topic. As for daoyu islands, you clearly lack objectivitiy, as you only look at the Chinese claim not the Japanese claim. Btw your url are not working if you havent notice.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian All of the left no answer questions. I feel sorry that I asked. And I feel even more sorry for you because your mental stuff going on and make you forget about those question.
and about the communist thing. read this article from new yourk inquirer by Andrew Bast.
ww.nyinquirer.cum/nyinquirer/2006/12/is_china_commun.html
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Dude, I already answered most of your questions, if those answers are the one you are looking for I am sorry. Your opinion doesn't change the truth of reality, the world doesn't belong to you or simply PRC. I read the article, and I told you to look at the feedbacks of the article (column) which actually criticize it. You simply are not reading my responses because those are things you do like to hear or read.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
I don't get why you are so supportive of Communist China, given the fact CCP hijacked your country and profit at your expenses (unless you have family members in the CCP). You have access to the internet, and prob live outside China, so you have access to outside source, so your ignorance is actually no longer pitiable.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
There are many ways to asserted claim over Daoyu Island/Senkaku Islands without doing stupid things like ramming your trawler on to Japanese coastal defence ships. HK and Taiwan done that in before, I don't see why it is so hard for PRC to follow and behave themselves. Do not only look only in the Chinese perspective, the world does not belong to China. It certainly does not belong to Japan either. Acknowledge China and Japan's action affect the globe.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
Either you get it or you don't. I am not going to waste my time answering anymore of your replies as if you look carefully, I already answered many of the main questions you asked and have proven you to be incorrect. Let me repeat, your article actually prove you wrong since if you read it more carefully, the feedback in the bottom actually attack your stance, not supporting it. (You need to read it more carefully)
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian You never answered it. I asked you to say korea was a weaker country in an unbiased way and you never said it because you know that it is not.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy How can china call korea weak nation? What about china? China was devided by many nations of Europian Empires in the end of 19th century and china lost against Britain for Opium war and lost Hong Kong. Also, China was running away from Japanese troops before WW II. However, fortunately, Japan attacked pearl horbor and the US participated the WW II and China could kick Japanese troops from China. In 1979, China tried to invade Vietnam, but Vietnam kicked out China from Vietnam! LOL!
katsudon2009 1 year ago
@Balencian And I answered those stupid japs so many times before you that every educated Chinese knows how to get through the great firewall. The great firewall is just for kids and uneducated dumbasses like you. You retards actually believe that. You actually believe that we dont get any information outside of China. Are U retarded?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian If the CCP hijacker China why is China on double digit growth non-stop for the last 30 years? while the US is devaluing its dollars making everyone stop using the US dollars look at Chinas growth.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian All I did was to prove those statement the japs gave are not self-supportive using facts. And you call me seeing it with only Chinese view. Did I even use one quote or anything thats from China?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian This time I wont flood you. Ill give you all the time to do your search. I know you type slow. So take your time.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy ← At the moment Who knows why, Red Commie PERFECTLY control information about the person who showed the FACT with video was Marine-Cop in Kobe Kobe.
After Crime of Red FAKE Fisherman Commie SPY Rammed in Senkaku IN Japan, Red officers were Repeating 100% LIE that "Jap-Side Rammed to China-ship", BUT after Marine-Cop confessed that "I relesed in You Tube", Red officers is Ignoring Marine-Cop and Videos.
Why？ 如何？ 何故？ 理由秘密？:))
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@VivaEcoCultBusiness ビバちゃん、シナ人に正論を何度言っても無駄！糠に釘、暖簾に腕押し、馬の耳に念仏とは、正にシナ人にピッタリの諺。あと、盗人猛々しいという言葉もね。
katsudon2009 1 year ago
@chelazy Sorry Red, Correction :
who showed the FACT with video was Marine-Cop in Kobe Kobe. ⇒ who showed the FACT with video was Marine-Cop in Kobe Japan.
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@Balencian I'm sorry to tell you this but if you think chelazy is biased you are also biased. You insist that Qing or Ming dynasty claimed the islands first but you would never admit the island to be Chinese territory. Isn't that because you just don't like Communist China. If Qing dynasty did claim the island first, like you said, there should be no reason for you to argue with him.
JPNarchive 1 year ago
@Balencian R.O.C claimed that the islands were theirs but that was not until 1971. You insist that Japan's claim was void because it was done during the war. But Sino-Japanese war was not a total war like WW2. There was enough time for China to raise an objection. If Russia have claimed one of Ogasawara islands to be theirs, during Russo-Japanese war, undoubtedly Japan will tell the world that Russia's claim is void.
JPNarchive 1 year ago
@JPNarchive
I actually claimed the island as Chinese territory a few times; It is Republic of China's territory not People's Republic of China nor Japan.
I am not arguing with chelazy in regards to the land claims, as we both agree its Chinese. I am criticizing his ways in calling Korea weak as sino-centric and there are also some unrelated issues he wanted me to answer, which I had answered but he does not understand.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian You kept saying im biased. How am I biased saying korea was a weak country. I want to hear you say it. What would you say if you want to say korea was a weak country. Dont give me shit about korea wasnt weak. Whether its weak or not has nothing to do with me being biased or not. You dont understand the logic in it do you.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian quit hiding and face my question. I mean face it.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian
U should be ally with chelazy. You are all Chinese. No matter PRC ROC it is for Chinese people.
It is the dirty right wings and conservatives in Japan who want to break up, weaken and make the improving life of Chinese destroyed. They are no different than their grandfathers.
jaha111 1 year ago
@jaha111 I said Korea was a weaker country and he thinks thats a biased statement. I mean how would you say it if you want to say korea was a weaker country. I cant think of any alternative way of saying it. He thinks that if I said korea was weaker that makes me biased because he pulled some shits saying korea is not weak. Is being weak or not even related to being biased. He doesnt have logic yet he comes over and play the mr nice guy.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy ← Hey Red, if he will attend and receive Nobel Peace Prize instead of Mr.Liu, you COMMIE Must send Red Blackmails to Taiwan Country and Norway Country both !! :))
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@chelazy ← Hey Red, but from Taiwan Country Teresa Teng who DETESTED you Commie's Despotism cannot attend Nobel Peace Prize Conference although she sang in Tiananmen with WEAR of Anti-Red Commie Slogans !!
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@jaha111
I actually agree with him on the issues about China's land claim but I think there are better ways fisherman can do than ram his trawler to a coast guard ship to assert his claim. That said, I criticized him when he bought in Korea (scrolls back the pages) and calling them "always weak" and "will be weak" and unfortunately he don't like it and we went off topic there. It is kind off a one way conversation, since I told him in my last reply, but prob not aware since he prob didnt read
Balencian 1 year ago
@jaha111
It is important to noted not all Japanese are bad even in WW2, and many are actually victims of Imperialism themselves. But I do agree with you some revisionists had some nasty ideas up their sleeves.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian What a loser. Keep pretending you didnt see my question. Say it. Say Korea was a weak country in an unbiased way. Just keep pretending. I never said they will be weak. You add new stuff in every time and call me off topic. what a loser.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian If you are not going to face it. I suggest you just get lost.
chelazy 1 year ago
@JPNarchive
Your way of interpreting land claim is only your personal opinion, when put in front of the court, claim may by one side during the middle of war is actually meaningless.
Whether a war is a total war or not total war is not an issue; total war only meant that the countries rendered every available resources to fight, it does not make it weigh more or less when making a treaty.
Balencian 1 year ago
@JPNarchive
Claims made before the establishment of the U.N, especially by one with little significant historical affiliations over one that has historical affiliations is extremely weak. Given the fact, most land distribution is made after the establishment of the UN, hence the Cairo Conference actually overrides that claim.
I think China and Japan should just bring this case into court, although it may be problematic when the communists are representing China in the UN atm.
Balencian 1 year ago
@JPNarchive
I would not deny that I might have be bias, but I hope you would not deny the fact that you might be bias as well.I personally think if people look at two different end of the spectrum before coming into a conclusion over political issues, the world would've been a much better place. Anyways, I am off now, here is an article written by a Japanese individual that offers a more neutral stance imo,
japanfocus. org/ -Koji-Taira/ 2119
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian What a loser.
chelazy 1 year ago
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@chelazy
LOL
all you can do is just bark like a dog: You cannot argue intelligently LOL
tenacioustaut 1 year ago
@Balencian Of course I won't deny that I too am biased. But I'm afraid I must say you are the only one here that is not facing the reality. Whether you like it or not, Tibet is now part of China. When we say China, it means People's Republic of China. Japan and Korea had been WEAK countries compared to the kingdoms who ruled the "Central Plain" (China). The only reason Japan remained safe for nearly two thousand years was because it was surrounded by ocean.
JPNarchive 1 year ago
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JPNarchive 1 year ago
@JPNarchive (Pt.1)
Unfortunately, you seems unaware that you have indulged yourself into popular belief instead of reality. As far as I am concern, the R.O.C is still flying proudly over Taiwan and many China towns across the globe, and as long as R.O.C still hold a 1 cm of land, there are still two China. Moreover, the definition of China is not what you think or P.R.C thinks, but what Chinese people thinks. As far as I am concern, there are two camps, hence there are two China.
Balencian 1 year ago
@JPNarchive (Pt.2)
PRC was only accepted as one China "politically" by the many in the world because the world want to trade with him and P.R.C do not accept "two China" politically just as it don't accept that Tienanmen Massacre took place "politically". I am confused about your stance of Tibet, so is it part of China or not part of China? And if you really accept PRC as one China, all ROC claims actually goes to PRC, then all of ROC claims goes to PRC, making PRC legally the holder of the isle
Balencian 1 year ago
@JPNarchive
As for my comment with Chelazy, if you look back at our dicussion, he said Korea is "always weaker" and "will be weak once they are unified", not "Korea is weaker" and I had explain to him why his comments is bias. Historically, Korea had successfully taken many Chinese lands and I am sure no one knows about the future, this is why it is bias to say Korea will be weak once unified. I acutally told him, i wont reply anymore of his comments in my last reply, but he prob didnt read it.
Balencian 1 year ago
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@Balencian Qing dynasty did not claim sovereignty over the islands. Until 1970, no Taiwanese map said the islands belong to them. These are also facts.
"claim may by one side during the middle of war is actually meaningless" I thought you said something about a "loophole" :(
JPNarchive 1 year ago
@Balencian
Japan did paid both China large amount of lump sum payment, unfortunately it went into the pockets of Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Tse Tung, who said they forgave them. Both dictator should not have accepted the money, as those money belong to the Chinese people not them. And oil matters a lot in Daoyu /Senkaku, if its not for the oil, no one will ever fight over them in the first place. Humans especially government are not angelic people, we all do things out of personal interest.
Balencian 1 year ago
This is what happened here for the last 2 days. people coming over and challenge my statement. When I find resource or prove them wrong they turn away or say sth else. Can any of you guys be something worthy that I felt I learned something when debating this with you noobs? It seems you cant. Ignorant and stupid.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy ← The person who showed Red SPY's Crime was CoastGuard Cop in Kobe Japan.
With this video The World COULD Recognize well Odd Nation Red China AGAIN.
France REJECTED Red China's Demand = Do Not attend Nobel Peace Prize Conference for Mr.Liu. Of course Norway who was Threatened by Red China MUST Attend Conference for Mr.Liu FOR Democracy.
In Dec, Oslo shall have Big Festival of Anti-Red Despotism which Produced THREE Nobel Winners with 『Tibet NATION』, Burma NATION and Own Prisoner Liu.
VivaEcoCultBusiness 1 year ago
@VivaEcoCultBusiness You just done give do you. Been replying over and over. bringing up new subject after subject. youre like a pest. a pathetic one. everry time i reply to you and when you cant say anything back you go under for a few hours and come back with sth new wish every one has forgot how dumbass you are. THAT is pathetic.
chelazy 1 year ago
I agree to burn Article 9 haha. Japanese should think what love own country. God bress you sir.
fuku11172002 1 year ago 7
That's totally prejudice.
When do I say NHK consipracy theory things ??
You have bad habit of saying your opinion not based on the fact.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
In 1842 Official Chinese updated territorial book clearly states far-east of china is up to Cock-Cage-City(鶏籠城) Taiwan. The Senkaku Islands did not belong to anybody. 1895 Japanese Government put it in according to international law. China didn't oppose the move. late 1960s 3rd party said potencial oil and others around the islands, then Communists and Nationalists(taiwan) both started say its been ours. That is the story folks. Oh yeh, Tibet never belong to China.
mtpd022147 1 year ago
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@mtpd022147 China didn't oppose the move? China was in war with the japs. If you want to comment on sth. make sure you have solid proof.
chelazy 1 year ago
Would you please show us which historical document described Japan as "big bad guy" at that time ??
Isn't it biased ??
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Would you please show us which historical document described Japan as "big bad guy" at that time ??
ARE YOU SERIOUS? Ask any one.japs bombed the US invaded nearly all east asia countries. That doesnt make jap a big bad guy. Then theres no bad guy on earth I say.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
That's very what you can say. Always. Really pathetic.
Your opinion always is not based on the well-studied historical document or something.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Dude, both you and chelazy is bias and is narrow in your understanding of history. The different is Chelazy is pro-People's Republic of China while you are Pro-Right wing movement of japan. Both group of people are the same shit that want to start war, just different assholes.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
No, What I said is not biased as long as I think. If you think so, would you please explain what part of my saying is biased ??
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Funny that you and Chelazy is asking me the same question. The fact is both of you are only getting your sources from your respective nation's view and you only cared about the view of your nation. If you don't find that as bias, I don't think you get it, it is just like math either you get it or you don't.
Japan is a great nation, but i fear it might change. The Japanese right wingers hijacked the Japanese gov in 1930s, and they can certainly do it again today.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian I got all my resource off neutral sources. None of them written in Chinese nor Japanese.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
But that does not mean you don't interpret them wrong. And don't forget there is alot of Chinese overseas, it written in english do not make it less bias than a Chinese source.
Apart from normal sources, I actually go to CCP's sites and Japanese right wingers' sources to read history as I want to see what they had to offer (yes, even garbage might sometimes be useful, especially to understand why the other side is angry).
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian R U seriously going to let me do research on korea which is irrelevant to the topic? okay then. google scholar korea china paid tribute history. first match. It pointed out the relations of the counties surrounding china, what role they played and how they realized to form counties. ill look for some other articles.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
....I m not your boss or your teacher and i definitely is not the owner of youtube, so research anything you like and post them here if you must. I think if you are so into debating this topic, you should get into some university, get into Asian-pacific studies and write a thesis about it.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian I did it to prove my point.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Just let you know alot of Neo-Nazis write thesis about how racism is right based on on historical text which are probably biased to begin with. I think the question bias or not is very simple, imagine you called someone inferior because their ancestors work for you, will you agree to it? What are you saying about Korea is the same thing, just because Korea pay tribute to China during the Yi dynasty, they are weak? And you see nothing wrong with that?
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian played a subordinate role or as a weaker country is not call them inferior.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
I recalled you called Korea is destined to be a weaker nation. So let me change the wordings, my ancestors beat the shit out of you, therefore I will beat the shit out of you.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian So let me change the wordings, my ancestors beat the shit out of you, therefore I will beat the shit out of you. i dont find any logic in that.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
You said Korea paid tribute to China during Yi Dynasty, therefore they will play the weaker nation in the future once they are united...It is the same as if you are saying your ancestors beat the shit out of someone, therefore you will beat the shit out of that person. The logic is clear, but like math, you get it or you dont.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian I said korea paid tribute to China for a long period of time and they have always played as a weaker country."and always played as a weaker country that needed Chinas protection" these are the actual words.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI wiki Japanese_war_crimes first. wiki is not 100% accurate but a great deal of them are. ill find what japs did to korea and some other countries.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI Which part of it is not based on the well-studied historical document. You ask for it ill find it for you.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
And Japanese nationalists don't think describing Communist China the "
Big bad guy" right not is bias? Isn't this a double standard.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
Who are you talking with right now, me or other person you call "nationalist" ?
I never said "Communist China" or this kind of things.
I always try to say things which are supported by well-studied historical document.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
to see who am I talking to, reading the person the comment direct to.
yes, you didn't say communist China, so i assume your insult directed to every Chinese on this planet? You always said well studied historical document...? So where are the historical document and are you sure they do not have bias objectivity. To truely understand history, you need to read history from all sides, personally I read history from China, Japan, U.S.A and etc.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian You dont get it at all. You dont. explain it to me how am I biased when I made statements. You didnt reply me about the korea statement.
I mean seriously??? They have to send yearly tribute to China for god knows how long. That doesnt make them a subordinate player?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Balencian You dont get it at all. You dont. explain it to me how am I biased when I made statements. You didnt reply me about the korea statement.I mean seriously??? They have to send yearly tribute to China for god knows how long. That doesnt make them a subordinate player?
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
I think I will just give you the same reply I give to Sam000RAI, so just read the first para I give to him. As far as I am concern only the Yi Dynasty paid tribute to China (Korean history is longer than that, what about Goryeo who defeated the Tang?).
Your view is a very sino-centric view. There is a reason why Chinese had few friends in international politics. You will need to loose that egotistical view that China is the centre of the earth to have a better view of things.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
I have some chinese friends.
I have never insulted China or Chinese pepole.
What I try to say is,
Senkaku island has nothing to do with simonoseki treaty because at that time it belonged to japan.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Japan declared Senkaku islands as theirs in the middle of a war with China and you thought there are nothing wrong with that claim?
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
You know, the most important thing to solve international problem is not what I think or what you think, but what international law says.
We are living in the nation of law.
By complying with the law, we can avoid actual war.
It seems I don't have knowledge about international law as good as you have.
So Would you show us which law says " claims during the war time is not effective " ?
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI the ownership of lands of those treaties signed should be returned to their original owners. Only reason japs grasp on is that the islands are not included in that treaty. actual words are several pages before this. Go find it yourself.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Don't blame it all on Japan, the islands were given to Japan by Americans. So should we blame America, why did it took China two years to assert that those islands were stolen? Why did Japan and China didn't try to solve this issue much earlier (In fact, Deng XiaoPing and Japanese PM in 1970s purposely not settle this dispute saying it is best to leave it to the later generation.) honestly, everyone need to think of each other and find a resolution that everyone is happy.
Balencian 1 year ago
@chelazy
No, it's not the only reason,
I try to pick up another reason why I think it belonged to Japan.
Here is the official thank you letter from china, sent to Japan,1920.
ttp://homepage2.nifty.com/tanimurasakaei/syasin.htm
In this letter, "日本帝国沖縄県八重山列島尖閣諸島" can be seen.
It means "Senkaku island of Okinawa prefecture, imperial Japan"
Does this letter show that china at that time recognized disputed island belonged to Japan ?
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI Do you understand the word neutral? Did I find some Chinese written article and use it as a source?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI google scholar the title "The senkaku/diaoyu islands dispute" by Daniel Dzurak. Read it. then say what you want to say.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
I post a reply to you earlier, I am not sure whether or not it gone through but I will just type it all over again.
While law is good, it is not perfect, I think you that, especially in regards to the Japanese juvenile law and the murder of Junko Furuta.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
I agree with you. Every law is not perfect.
So what's next ? War to gain small islands ??? How stupid.
After all, we have no choice depending on international law or practice knowing it is not perfect.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
This is why I think both sides need to control the chauvinists that want to start shit. I find many from both sides lack the understanding how trivial this problem due to the recent events. I think most in international community really don't want to do anything about it and China, US and Japan will definitely veto any bill in the UN to settle this issue in their respective favor. It will be long negotiations before anything be settled, and hopefully everyone will be happy.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
Wait Wait Wait, Who has started "this shit" ???
It's China.
And Yes, It's very samll island but not trivial problem.
Because Senkaku can be a path to west Pacific area from south china sea.
You know what ??
She can put submarine in west pacific water and have ability to threaten nuclear attack at California.
if she controls waters around Senkaku. it's first step to challenge current world order. If that kind of things happens, Japan lose not only senkaku but also homeland.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI the US government are not buying that shits.
chelazy 1 year ago
@chelazy
Oh, really ??? good for you. lol
This is based on the China-expert, not my research, by the way.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI Why would we bomb our debtor? Why would the creditor bomb our debtor. China conspiracy shits. Does any1 still buy that?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Back in 1996, the Japanese history had a long history of ramming their coastal defense ships onto trawlers carrying Taiwanese and Hong Kong Protesters on their way to Daoyu islands. P.R.C only got into issues in the recent decades, and their "awesome behavior" to do a lot of justice to the Chinese cause.
I think as i stated, legally, the islands belonged to Republic of China (commonly known as Taiwan), not Communist China. How big of a threat is R.O.C anyways?
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
Would you please explain why there is no claim of Taiwan before around 1970 when huge natural resource was found ??
And Taiwan is being now merged by China, people think in that way.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI because the islands were in the hand of the US before 1972,
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI Didnt you read the article I gave you?
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
The Chinese dictator Chiang Kai-Shek claimed in 1961 that the Senkaku Islands were stolen by then. Ever since, due to the growing threat of Communist China, Kuomintang leadership who are mostly selfish bastards (since they are politicians but are still better than CCP) decided to avoided the issue once they took power so Japan will argue with PRC. Ma Ying Jeou, current president of R.O.C was actually a vivid supporter of Daoyu island as R.O.C before he took office.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian
Is 1961 claim of Taiwan documented officially ?? Where can I see & check it ??
If it is not documented, I'm sorry, it is recognized to be not effective and less-persuasive.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
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@Sam000RAI I thought you read the paper. Guess you didnt. You dont even take the time to investigate yet you still continues to bark.
chelazy 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
Sorry it is actually 1971, (2 years after Okinawa was promised to return to Japan).
hxxp://books.google.com/books?id=MZGsi1ptLvoC&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q&f=false
last paragraph of pg 9 to first paragraph of pg 10 in this book.
Balencian 1 year ago
@Balencian lol No wonder I couldn't find Chiang Kai-Shek's claim (1961) on the internet. I was also reading 使琉球錄 but that too didn't seem like an international declaration to me.
JPNarchive 1 year ago
@Balencian
hmmmmm, 1971 Taiwan's claim....
I'm sorry but I have to say, it's too late to claim the islands. If you strongly believe that 1971 claim of taiwan is more persuasive than that of japan, I advise you people to bring it to Japanese News Media like NHK. NHK is willing to persuade Japanese people by showing it on TV.
Sam000RAI 1 year ago
@Sam000RAI
NHK conspiracy theory again? NHK is not anti-Japanese, it is just liberal media which sometimes might bring things up that conservatives do not like to hear. CCTV and Sakura TV on the other hand really are propaganda.
Anyways, I am off to bed, it is a good discussion despite the ideological differences. And sorry about mixing up the two dates.