Communist union crybabies who's rather bitch and moan like little girls than earn their living like men. The 1:12 was probably the longest they'd ever worked in their lives.
There was no full body contact with the earth, and the peice of metal was being grounded against the re-bar, therefor he was safe from electrical shock (not so much from the arc flashes, but in this case they were small).
As others have said its very dangerous, i on the other hand also think its very unprofessional. Its people like you who give genuine tradesmen the "rouge trader" stereotype. I wonder what your governing body would make of your safe isolation skills. 1 word sums it up.....cowboy.
I couldn't see if it was a conduit or a cable that had been damaged. Anyway I wouldn't poke it with a metal conduit. A broom handle with foil tape on the end no prob. Seeing as how that was an apprentice or young guy just out his time I'd say that was okay. You have to toughen them up.
YOU DON'T PLAY WITH ELECTRICITY WHY, BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL IT WILL KILL YOUR PUNK ASS AND LEAVE YOUR BUDDIES SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD? Ohms law is nothing more than reference material that can ONLY be used for calculations in reality anything at anytime can happen, ELECTRICITY CAN AND IT WILL KILL! Now my blind brother open your eyes and stop wasting my time. And if you still don't get it just read the first sentence of this reply over until you do. Also there are no OLD DUMB ELECTRICIANS
FOR THE RECORD! Amps are the killer! Those microscopic particles (amperage) that slide across the wire driven by voltage call upon to supply a load are the killer. Too many of them on an area too small and they will burn it from the friction they create #12 for 20amps and #10 for 30amps so forth and so on. As for your car that is DC you know DIRECT CURRENT and that is always a killer at any voltage but again it's the amps but with DC it DIRECT always at Peak level a force to be reckon with.
irewire. lol. Wow, I think I get a little dumber every time I read one of your posts. O.K., here is some 1st year shit. Ohm's law. If you body resist electricity at let's say 50,000 ohms, and amps=volts/resistance, 12v/50000ohm's = .00024amps, you aren't gonna feel a damn thing. DC volts under 30 volts is not going to hurt you. Oh, and amps are the flow of ELECTRONS, not particles. And they can not be seen with a microscope. And they don't slide across the wire. I can go on!?!
And what do you thing electrons are? Particles and how else do they from point A Power Plant to B Toaster oven? And why is the wire you so gleefully play with is needed? Because they are particles that travel on the surface or inside the conductor from point a to point b. No they cannot be seen but they sure can be felt! And if you get enough of them they become apparent like those arc flashes you and your buddies like so much. GO TO SCHOOL READ A BOOK BUT DONT KILL YOUR BUDDY PLAYING
It's obvious you have no real grasp of electricity. Everyone knows it's the amps that kill not the voltage. And when you have an inrush of 70k volts that is a lot of driving force behind those 15 to 20amps. So think about that the next time you want to play with 20 to 40 million electrons. Those probably were nylons or some sort of polyester gloves you were wearing. That will stick to your flesh real good when they get charred from that arc blast.
What makes you think the voltage goes up when a short circuit occurs. There is a in-rush CURRENT for sure, and I do know THAT's the killer, but there is no substantial change in the voltage. You are the one who is mis-informed with little grasp on electricity and your comments are kind of comical. Ask one of your journeyman at your work (IF you're even an electrician), and he will help teach you what happens. I'll agree though, this definitly is not the safest way to circuit seek.
Actually, Mega is right. There is an inrush of current, not voltage.
And further, it's a combination of volts and amps that kill you. A car battery can crank out up to a 1000 amps, but only at 12 volts. It is safe to touch both posts of a car battery. I have found that the threshold for even feeling any sort of shock is around 24 to 30 volts. Up to around that voltage, the amount of amperage doesn't really matter.
How can the voltage go up? The voltage from the transformer is 120/208V, as stated above. That means that if the short is between one phase and ground it will be 120V; if the short is between 2 or 3 phases to ground it will be 208V. The AIC rating of the circuit breaker determines how much amperage it will allow to pass in a short circuit to ground--usually 10,000A.. So at most it was a 208V/10,000A short circuit flash.
No joke. He is still alive. The rod is grounded, not him. It looks dangerous but he is protected from shock. "Just look out for that flash lil' Kirk."
As an IBEW Electrician I can tell you as will others that what you are doing is completely irresponsible and very dangerous.
You intentionally ground a 480 circuit or phase to phase short and those safety glasses and gloves wont do you a bit of good nor will turning your face sideways when it vaporizes that metal pipe at 35,000 degrees and sends it into your body like a shotgun blast....literally.
We would never do this with 480. This is not a common practice we do, but a necessary step to shut off these 120v 15 amp circuits that were cut by a concrete cutting crew. With the age of the building, nothing was labelled and there were dozens of panels in the area, we had little choice. We were NOT allowed to shut down the building because it was a fancy hotel and they said that the power was vital to them. What would you have done mr.IBEW?
stupid answer. i also am a ibew member and want to go home to my family at the end of the day. if they don't want the circiuts deenergized dont work on them. its your life think about it
You make a good point. I never forced Kirk to do this. I just explained to him that it will only put on a light show and he will not be injured. Not the best way, but definitly an entertaining one.
I've never heard of a "Federal Pacific" breaker. I have, however, heard of Federal Pioneer breakers. Maybe that is what you actually mean, sir? FPE? Federal Pioneer???
I meant Federal Pacific.They have been out of business for years.They are not very common but are junk and dont trip.They are known for causing fires.If you look them up you might find them under FPE.
I see. Yeah, I guess the wire's need to be glowing red in order for these breakers to trip. I could probably sell some of these 15 amp breakers to some welders.
10000volts on a tesla coil maybe, but the current carry capacity is alot lower than being shocked by 240 to earth. try being shocked between 2 phases in a commercial board by 415!
You want to ground electric equipment and conduit and any metallic object that may come into contact with voltage. Then, if hot wires touch the metal frame of a washing machine, for example, the over-currentshould trip. If said washing machine frame is not grounded then it could go hot if a wiring or motor problem occurs. A grounded person could get shocked upon contact.
I know I watched this like four months ago but this is a very funny video. I love how (I'm assuming) his journeyman is laughing everytime he arcs out the feeders. I'd be doing the same thing! lol!
What morons. By tripping the breaker this way they may ruining the breaker backing this circuit. And some breakers run into the hundreds of dollars. You may also blow out television sets, radios, lights, etc. They are creating power surges on the circuit.
It seems like the breakers have already failed. Seeing as how the breakers didn't trip when the concrete crew cut the conduit in the first place. Also tv's, radios, etc would have been damaged the minute the neutral conductor was opened.
The gloves really have nothing to do with his safety. The electricity is traveling from the wires he is poking, up the 1/2" conuit he is holding, to the re-bar which is grounded. His boots are his main sorce of safety. So are his safety goggles. If you pause the video at 1 sec., you will see the fingers of the gloves are cut off. For someone who calls himself threephase69, you don't seem to know much about how electricity works.
Electricity would flow through him even if the conduit is grounded. The electrons want to find the shortest and least resistance to ground. If he were truley grounded, he still would have received voltage.
That's the thing. He is NOT grounded because of his boots keep him isolated from ground. There is no path for electricity trough Kirk. Just from the live wires to the grounded re-bar. If you are not grounded, you can touch live 347 volt bus bars inside panels with no problems. Just make sure you don't brush up against anything that is grounded while doing it.
I don't beleive it was luck. If you are competent and aware of the hazards, electicity can be safe to touch (not recommended). Yeah it looks like we are goofin' around, but our situation was that a concrete crew cut through some pipes and none of the shitty breakers tripped(very old building). The wires were cut flush with the end of the pipe and there was no way to get a meter on them. Easy solution. Trip the brakers then go look in the panel to see which ones triped. And it worked perfectly.
Obviously the rod was conducting all the current, if it wasn't it would have been your helper.
Still don't see whats so funny about this, thats all. If thats truly your only means of tripping the associated breaker, then show it in a less then jokingly manner. Somme ppl actually do what they see. You may know the difference, but most ppl don't.
What energized the conduit? And what type breaker was used. Because I've seen a batch of Cutler/Hammer breakers that fail to trip under repeated ground faults. And one conductor actually melted down when the breaker failed, and that caused it's raceway to become energized.
Some concrete guys were fixing a parkade and they hammerdrilled through a conduit. It didn't trip the breaker cause you guessed it; Cutler breakers. I had to use a sawsall to cut the pipe which still didn't trip the breakers. (the breakers were untraceable so remaind live). To trace the breakers, I got my apprentice to short out the 5 live circuits until they finally gave in. Hard to belive they are a safety device.
That's insane! My plant ordered all load centers to be replaced before May 21, 2008. Due to the Cutler/Hammer incident. We contacted Cutler and they confirmed that a great deal of CH2100 circuit breakers were bad. CH2100 breakers made between Feb 1 and June 28 with #'s 82113-10237.
Check your #'s. Cutler may be responsible for damage caused by breakers not opening.
btw, kudo's on making your apprentice to the nasty! LOL!
cowboys
YARDNHALF 1 year ago
This bloke with the camera giving directions is an absolute f&^$witt!!!!
asdfghjklkjhgfdsa555 1 year ago
Does anyone have a Fluke meter in your local?...and if you're not in the union...well that explains it.
blackbamabound 1 year ago
Communist union crybabies who's rather bitch and moan like little girls than earn their living like men. The 1:12 was probably the longest they'd ever worked in their lives.
jkirk1626 1 year ago 5
how do figure concrete is 500,000 to 1.5 million ohms dry....
meier259 1 year ago
what an asshole..
croakerchoker504 1 year ago
wow and to try and justify the action. Incredible.
electropentatonic 2 years ago
Hmmm... live circuit, ungrounded piece of metal, full body contact with earth.... sounds like a candidate for an electrical shock or death.
ClassicElectricNJ 2 years ago
There was no full body contact with the earth, and the peice of metal was being grounded against the re-bar, therefor he was safe from electrical shock (not so much from the arc flashes, but in this case they were small).
Megatron6669 2 years ago 2
As others have said its very dangerous, i on the other hand also think its very unprofessional. Its people like you who give genuine tradesmen the "rouge trader" stereotype. I wonder what your governing body would make of your safe isolation skills. 1 word sums it up.....cowboy.
deanodean123 2 years ago 3
Thank you.
Megatron6669 2 years ago
@deanodean123 If you can't identify the circuit, it's better to trip it under your control then to try to work on it hot... imo
wonderwiz2025 1 year ago
never play with electricity i kills ya suddenly my couzin died xactly like tht
harveercingh 2 years ago
mabeez hez did nt noz whtz he doinz
Megatron6669 2 years ago 6
one time i wrapped tinfoil around my penis and stuck it in an electrical socket
thepwnmaster 2 years ago
was that the only way you could get it up
terry987654 2 years ago 2
I couldn't see if it was a conduit or a cable that had been damaged. Anyway I wouldn't poke it with a metal conduit. A broom handle with foil tape on the end no prob. Seeing as how that was an apprentice or young guy just out his time I'd say that was okay. You have to toughen them up.
Johnstone72 2 years ago 4
wot a tit, should do the world a fave n stick his tongue in there.
cocorocks88 2 years ago
I tried to get him to. He wouldn't even do it for the camera.
Megatron6669 2 years ago
Dumb ass!
'nuff said
gunterkat 3 years ago
SCAB
peckiledorf 3 years ago
wouldnt it have been really funny if the breaker had have been faulty, i mean LOLS
jackdaknife 3 years ago
Complete tithead should have fried, jerk
wayneriley1964 3 years ago
retard
gottagobideo 3 years ago
YOU DON'T PLAY WITH ELECTRICITY WHY, BECAUSE THERE IS A POTENTIAL IT WILL KILL YOUR PUNK ASS AND LEAVE YOUR BUDDIES SCRATCHING THEIR HEAD? Ohms law is nothing more than reference material that can ONLY be used for calculations in reality anything at anytime can happen, ELECTRICITY CAN AND IT WILL KILL! Now my blind brother open your eyes and stop wasting my time. And if you still don't get it just read the first sentence of this reply over until you do. Also there are no OLD DUMB ELECTRICIANS
irewire 3 years ago
FOR THE RECORD! Amps are the killer! Those microscopic particles (amperage) that slide across the wire driven by voltage call upon to supply a load are the killer. Too many of them on an area too small and they will burn it from the friction they create #12 for 20amps and #10 for 30amps so forth and so on. As for your car that is DC you know DIRECT CURRENT and that is always a killer at any voltage but again it's the amps but with DC it DIRECT always at Peak level a force to be reckon with.
irewire 3 years ago
irewire. lol. Wow, I think I get a little dumber every time I read one of your posts. O.K., here is some 1st year shit. Ohm's law. If you body resist electricity at let's say 50,000 ohms, and amps=volts/resistance, 12v/50000ohm's = .00024amps, you aren't gonna feel a damn thing. DC volts under 30 volts is not going to hurt you. Oh, and amps are the flow of ELECTRONS, not particles. And they can not be seen with a microscope. And they don't slide across the wire. I can go on!?!
Megatron6669 3 years ago
And what do you thing electrons are? Particles and how else do they from point A Power Plant to B Toaster oven? And why is the wire you so gleefully play with is needed? Because they are particles that travel on the surface or inside the conductor from point a to point b. No they cannot be seen but they sure can be felt! And if you get enough of them they become apparent like those arc flashes you and your buddies like so much. GO TO SCHOOL READ A BOOK BUT DONT KILL YOUR BUDDY PLAYING
irewire 3 years ago
Two Words
"Arc Blast" and in a second you are either blind or burnt severely. 15 amps at 120volts can create an inrush voltage of 45k to 70k volts.
Think about that the next time you want to play with someone's life Moron!
irewire 3 years ago
No it can't you dumbass! A max inrush of 10,000 AMPS but the voltage won't go up. You don't know what your talking about.
Megatron6669 3 years ago
It's obvious you have no real grasp of electricity. Everyone knows it's the amps that kill not the voltage. And when you have an inrush of 70k volts that is a lot of driving force behind those 15 to 20amps. So think about that the next time you want to play with 20 to 40 million electrons. Those probably were nylons or some sort of polyester gloves you were wearing. That will stick to your flesh real good when they get charred from that arc blast.
irewire 3 years ago
What makes you think the voltage goes up when a short circuit occurs. There is a in-rush CURRENT for sure, and I do know THAT's the killer, but there is no substantial change in the voltage. You are the one who is mis-informed with little grasp on electricity and your comments are kind of comical. Ask one of your journeyman at your work (IF you're even an electrician), and he will help teach you what happens. I'll agree though, this definitly is not the safest way to circuit seek.
Megatron6669 3 years ago
how very correct you are the voltage will never go up under fault conditions only the PSCC!
barrywinton 3 years ago
Actually, Mega is right. There is an inrush of current, not voltage.
And further, it's a combination of volts and amps that kill you. A car battery can crank out up to a 1000 amps, but only at 12 volts. It is safe to touch both posts of a car battery. I have found that the threshold for even feeling any sort of shock is around 24 to 30 volts. Up to around that voltage, the amount of amperage doesn't really matter.
acronus 3 years ago
So says Dr Menegerle
wayneriley1964 3 years ago
Sorry, but you're wrong. Go lick a 9V battery.
ZukaROBLOX 3 years ago 3
And what sort of authority are you on the subject?
acronus 3 years ago
How can the voltage go up? The voltage from the transformer is 120/208V, as stated above. That means that if the short is between one phase and ground it will be 120V; if the short is between 2 or 3 phases to ground it will be 208V. The AIC rating of the circuit breaker determines how much amperage it will allow to pass in a short circuit to ground--usually 10,000A.. So at most it was a 208V/10,000A short circuit flash.
russdonruss 2 years ago
how fucking stupid of you. you take us electrican jobs to be a joke. well hope your happy teahing kids to do what you do dickhead
PROSHOOT3R 3 years ago
No joke. He is still alive. The rod is grounded, not him. It looks dangerous but he is protected from shock. "Just look out for that flash lil' Kirk."
Megatron6669 3 years ago
Each person reacts different to electricity joe doe could get shock's joe blow could get killed it doesnt take voltage it takes amperesthank you all
dudaedens 3 years ago
bull shit
probro22 3 years ago
Ever heard of circuit tracer.
ki4uxv 3 years ago
As an IBEW Electrician I can tell you as will others that what you are doing is completely irresponsible and very dangerous.
You intentionally ground a 480 circuit or phase to phase short and those safety glasses and gloves wont do you a bit of good nor will turning your face sideways when it vaporizes that metal pipe at 35,000 degrees and sends it into your body like a shotgun blast....literally.
Unbelievable.
invista360 3 years ago
We would never do this with 480. This is not a common practice we do, but a necessary step to shut off these 120v 15 amp circuits that were cut by a concrete cutting crew. With the age of the building, nothing was labelled and there were dozens of panels in the area, we had little choice. We were NOT allowed to shut down the building because it was a fancy hotel and they said that the power was vital to them. What would you have done mr.IBEW?
Megatron6669 3 years ago
stupid answer. i also am a ibew member and want to go home to my family at the end of the day. if they don't want the circiuts deenergized dont work on them. its your life think about it
adamelectrician353 3 years ago 2
You make a good point. I never forced Kirk to do this. I just explained to him that it will only put on a light show and he will not be injured. Not the best way, but definitly an entertaining one.
Megatron6669 3 years ago
It looks to be a 277 circut. IBEW Local Union 98 Rocks!
PunchingJESUS 3 years ago
IBEW = Borg. "you will be assimilated"
Megatron6669 3 years ago
we call them Funeral pacific
kalashnikova420 3 years ago
no, you would say federal stablock!!
soilwork22 3 years ago
Must be on a Federal Pacific Breaker.
wheel74 3 years ago
I've never heard of a "Federal Pacific" breaker. I have, however, heard of Federal Pioneer breakers. Maybe that is what you actually mean, sir? FPE? Federal Pioneer???
Megatron6669 3 years ago
I meant Federal Pacific.They have been out of business for years.They are not very common but are junk and dont trip.They are known for causing fires.If you look them up you might find them under FPE.
wheel74 3 years ago
I see. Yeah, I guess the wire's need to be glowing red in order for these breakers to trip. I could probably sell some of these 15 amp breakers to some welders.
Megatron6669 3 years ago
thats boring...yesterday, my physic teacher get a electricity shok of 10000Volt for 3 sekonds...he had to go to hospital...
DieElenden 4 years ago
I hope you filmed it so we can all enjoy his pain together.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
10000volts on a tesla coil maybe, but the current carry capacity is alot lower than being shocked by 240 to earth. try being shocked between 2 phases in a commercial board by 415!
klzr23 3 years ago
Ground your equipment, don't ground yourself.
blader45bc 4 years ago
You want to ground electric equipment and conduit and any metallic object that may come into contact with voltage. Then, if hot wires touch the metal frame of a washing machine, for example, the over-currentshould trip. If said washing machine frame is not grounded then it could go hot if a wiring or motor problem occurs. A grounded person could get shocked upon contact.
blader45bc 4 years ago 2
Thank you blader45bc, well said.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
I know I watched this like four months ago but this is a very funny video. I love how (I'm assuming) his journeyman is laughing everytime he arcs out the feeders. I'd be doing the same thing! lol!
480vPowerSystem 4 years ago
stupid way of tripping a circuit. Ever heard of a circuit tracer?
steadypimpin 4 years ago
What morons. By tripping the breaker this way they may ruining the breaker backing this circuit. And some breakers run into the hundreds of dollars. You may also blow out television sets, radios, lights, etc. They are creating power surges on the circuit.
gordy19741974 4 years ago
It seems like the breakers have already failed. Seeing as how the breakers didn't trip when the concrete crew cut the conduit in the first place. Also tv's, radios, etc would have been damaged the minute the neutral conductor was opened.
480vPowerSystem 4 years ago
wow that jurneyman must have got a kick out of getting that kid to do that.. haha man what an idiot.. Darwin would get a kick out of this kid
wiseguydirk 4 years ago
haha. Those breakers suck in old buildings. They won't trip even if the damn building burned down from electrical hazard.
fxdwings 4 years ago
DON'T try this at home. Professional uneducated stuntman who is very lucky that the gloves didn't allow electricity to flow through him.
threephase69 4 years ago
The gloves really have nothing to do with his safety. The electricity is traveling from the wires he is poking, up the 1/2" conuit he is holding, to the re-bar which is grounded. His boots are his main sorce of safety. So are his safety goggles. If you pause the video at 1 sec., you will see the fingers of the gloves are cut off. For someone who calls himself threephase69, you don't seem to know much about how electricity works.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
His safety goggles stopped the electricity?
threephase69 4 years ago
Electricity would flow through him even if the conduit is grounded. The electrons want to find the shortest and least resistance to ground. If he were truley grounded, he still would have received voltage.
threephase69 4 years ago
That's the thing. He is NOT grounded because of his boots keep him isolated from ground. There is no path for electricity trough Kirk. Just from the live wires to the grounded re-bar. If you are not grounded, you can touch live 347 volt bus bars inside panels with no problems. Just make sure you don't brush up against anything that is grounded while doing it.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
True, but I don't like to rely on my boots, he was very lucky this time. Thats all I'm saying.
threephase69 4 years ago
I don't beleive it was luck. If you are competent and aware of the hazards, electicity can be safe to touch (not recommended). Yeah it looks like we are goofin' around, but our situation was that a concrete crew cut through some pipes and none of the shitty breakers tripped(very old building). The wires were cut flush with the end of the pipe and there was no way to get a meter on them. Easy solution. Trip the brakers then go look in the panel to see which ones triped. And it worked perfectly.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
Obviously the rod was conducting all the current, if it wasn't it would have been your helper.
Still don't see whats so funny about this, thats all. If thats truly your only means of tripping the associated breaker, then show it in a less then jokingly manner. Somme ppl actually do what they see. You may know the difference, but most ppl don't.
lcl25sparky 4 years ago
Thats cool, so let your helper risk his life.
Remind me not to work for you.
lcl25sparky 4 years ago
wasnt really a life risk, the person was not grounded, the threaded rod he held was conducting the current not him.
bjvf82 4 years ago
What energized the conduit? And what type breaker was used. Because I've seen a batch of Cutler/Hammer breakers that fail to trip under repeated ground faults. And one conductor actually melted down when the breaker failed, and that caused it's raceway to become energized.
480vPowerSystem 4 years ago
Some concrete guys were fixing a parkade and they hammerdrilled through a conduit. It didn't trip the breaker cause you guessed it; Cutler breakers. I had to use a sawsall to cut the pipe which still didn't trip the breakers. (the breakers were untraceable so remaind live). To trace the breakers, I got my apprentice to short out the 5 live circuits until they finally gave in. Hard to belive they are a safety device.
Megatron6669 4 years ago
That's insane! My plant ordered all load centers to be replaced before May 21, 2008. Due to the Cutler/Hammer incident. We contacted Cutler and they confirmed that a great deal of CH2100 circuit breakers were bad. CH2100 breakers made between Feb 1 and June 28 with #'s 82113-10237.
Check your #'s. Cutler may be responsible for damage caused by breakers not opening.
btw, kudo's on making your apprentice to the nasty! LOL!
480vPowerSystem 4 years ago
idiot yet hilarious
homestar37 4 years ago
Dave,
I don't remember seeing a "near miss report" on this one!! - know wonder I have so many grey Hairs ya' Crazy Bugger!!
Cheers!
You Company Safety Auditor - aka Leprechaun.
HEMILEPRECHAUN 4 years ago
you're a liability....
BAHAHHAHAHAHA
-Aubs
muchbutter 4 years ago