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Although I firmly believe that we have a right to the freedom to pursue good health to the greatest extent we are able, I do not believe it is a right to have healthcare provided to you. Given that, if the majority wishes for governent assisted health care, then let's do that. Education, the Courts, Police and Law Enforcement, Fire and rescure services are all delivered directly and administered locally as approved by the state. Deliver healtcare in the same manner and save billions each year.
Megarational; your name is like calling Hitler a humantarian. A few things and no I don't watch Fox News; what was the projected cost for social security and how much does it actually cost? Or Amtrak? Or the Postal Service? How about Medcare? How much are our unfunded liabilities right now?
You are a fool if you believe that ObamaCare is a good idea. It is just going to sink us further into debt. For all the whining about the ppl losing their jobs, the HSA solves that problem.
Note- capitalism & corporatism are 2 entirely separate concepts. Please look up the meanings. corporatism is what has corrupted the system of trade & the buisness cycles.
the so called 'universal health insurance' bill is obviously written BY SELECT insurance companies FOR SELECT insurance companies. Its called a govt subsidized monopoly!
@swu880 To some extent. Mostly because idiots like you and the obstructionist GOP missed your chance for a public option, which would have given insurance companies REAL competition.
It's absurd. You blow your chance at giving the insurance co's competition, then bitch because the insurance co's have no competition.
SHOW ME A TIME WHEN GOVT IS NOT INEPT IN HANDLING DOMESTIC AFFAIRS! Show me a time when govt is actually efficient in handling domestic affairs! hell even the police are inept- thank god! if they weren't so inept, u would already be working as slaves
@swu880 Try getting affordable private h.c. insurance if you are older or have health issues. It makes every government program look great by comparison.
If Medicare is so bad, why do the majority of seniors have a favorable opinion of it?
If Medicare is inept, why does it operate on a 3% overhead compared to a 30% overhead for private insurance?
Sometimes accomplishing a necessary social goal, even if you argue that it is inefficient, is better than the alternative.
There is a huge problem w/ medicare medicaid system as well as all welfare systems. first there is a reason why a lot of doctors refuse to take medicare or medicaid-
There is very little competition actually. Very very little capitalism- most of it is all this 3rd party involvement, SUBSIDIZING & special privelages. First, medicare/medicaid FIX prices as in prevent price mobility. This is counter capitalism
Second, the medicare/medicaid further dictate what kind of doctor/treatment/drugs u may get!
Third, b/c of all the hassle & ineptness of getting paid through the system, doctors often refuse to take medicare/medicaid
And it is absolutely wrong to do any 1 of these three things. u can neither force a doctor to charge a certain price, u cant force all this hassle on them, u can NOT force me to pay for ur crappy care, & u cant force crappy insurance policy on me!
@swu880 You ARE part of the worst rationing system in existence.
You are rationed by the type of insurance you can afford, by co-payments, deductibles and caps, and by insurance co's dropping coverage for any trivial reason if you develop an expensive illness (at least before h.c. reform).
You were part of a system that rationed 41 million people right out of h.c. entirely (except for emergency room stabilization).
@megarational there is no capitalism here- capitalism would be where first the govt butts out, next the govt stays out, next the companies compete for consumers, next they keep competing for consumers & finally consumers make a choice on which one to get- IF they want it
Just like laser eye surgery- the prices go down cuz of competition not subsidizing!
u even know what subsidizing is? subsidize is where some bullshit govt decides to stick its fingers into a buisiness & use everyone's money & taxes to pay for som bs service or product. This gives companies a totally UNFAIR ADVANTAGE! And its the source for monopoly used by pharma-medical-industrial complex & the military-industrial-complex
But we need a system that competes to offer consumers the best system for lowest cost- just like every other capitalist product
@swu880 there are many other options other than a private health insurance- u can also use health savings & credit. Theres much more u can do in the private sector among the private citizens & people than u could ever do by passing a compulsory bullshit bill that forces u to monopolize a certain insurance company(s)
rather than spend all that money on useless taxes for somethin u dont want or really need, u can invest in a 401k, invest in gold, invest in a health savings account,
@swu880 The other problem with your political & gov't system (& it is related to the first one) is the domination of two parties. It's led to a "win at all costs" sports team environment, where the parties know that positioning any issue by carefully selected labels, slogans, scare tactics and smears is more effective on idiot voters like yourself than any pragmatic well though out debate.
@swu880 You are talking about Laissez-faire capitalism.
Here's how that works:
Unregulated free enterprise leads to abuses (eg: tobacco companies, asbestos industry, oil companies, corporatism, unsafe products on the market just for the profits, etc. etc. etc.) The public then demands that their gov't step in to protect the consumers and develop effective policies.
Want to know what's wrong with your government? Why you never seem to get good gov't no matter which party is in power?
@swu880 You will never have effective gov't until you remove the power of money over the campaign, election, and lobbying processes.
eg:
- prohibit campaign & political party contributions from unions, corp.'s and deep pocket special interests.
- curtail their power to blanket the media with "unsigned" propaganda ads
Until you remove the power of money over elections you will always end up with gov't that represents deep pocket special interests more than it represents the ordinary citizen.
@swu880 Private insurance co's & HMO's dictate what doctor you can see, what treatment you can get, whether you can go to the hospital, and if so what hospital, how long you are allowed to stay in that hospital, what lab is to be used etc.
And all along the way they demand paperwork from the claimant, the doctor, the hospital, even were the doctor has prescribed a treatment.
But the thing is, u are looking at it entirely the wrong way. First off, how is it that cds, monitors, tvs, and computers have become so inexpensive yet so powerful? a few decades ago the idea of everyone carrying around gigabytes of info on a key chain was unfathomable. Now for like less than a few dollars, u can get couple GB mem
Healthcare OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT MANDATED SOCIALISM is what got us into this mess of TYRANNY we presently find ourselves! Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!
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YouTube video " WHY BIG PUSH FOR HEALTHCARE? :: Glenn Beck ASKS WHY Sterilizations, Abortions, & ... EDUCATION?"
Freedom to quit your job and start a business or get further education without worrying about losing h.c. coverage.
Freedom to concentrate on work and family without worrying about having to file medical claims or "caps" or deductibles or co-payments or worrying about going bankrupt if you develop a serious illness and can no longer work and bring in the same income.
@megarational u force me to pay for somethin that i absolutely deplore & dont need, dont want! thats like me forcing u to buy a house & a car. can i force u to buy a house & car? can i force u to buy a cd or a ipod just cuz i think everyone should have music cuz music is so great? can i force u to buy a t-shirt cuz i think its cool?
I aint a charity, nor is govt. govt is the source for tyranny & control. If u give govt a dollar, it loses it, goes in debt & taxes u on it.
So stop talking to me about all this bullshit helpin everyone. If u want to help 'everyone' w/o risking harm on everyone, all the doctors & free world, then find ur own charity & stick with that. If its a good charity, i vote on it w/ my support of contribution. if it sucks, i discourage it & give the dollar somewhere else(not to govt).
well imagine ALL the problems you have. Imagine ALL the possible problems you have w/ health insurance & merely getting in the door to the doctor's office. Combine that w/ ALL the problems you have w/ getting the government to respond- look how responsive & "functional" social security is, look how functional&responsive fema is @ distributing water, look how functional&responsive the Indian 'healthcare' system is,
@swu880 look @ the UK & double the problems- that is what u should expect. Since when has govt bureaucracy been super efficient? since when has it been super effective except in cases where it deliberately screws up foreign govt & funds terrorists & tyrants?
We hav NEITHER the RESOURCES nor possible infrastructure to ever efficiently cover everyone w/ high benefit insurance. so stop fuckin complainin & get the govt off my ass
U want govt? go look @ fema & shove it up ur ass cuz I dont want it!
@swu880 Don't talk to me about universal health care you brainwashed fool.
Most of my life I have lived in Canada with a u.h.c. financing system, & find it hard to imagine a system where not everyone can see a doctor when they need to.
And yet the amount we pay in taxes for the universal system is far less than you idiots pay in private insurance premiums, and we don't have to worry about coverage being canceled.
@swu880 2009 poll by Nanos Research:86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to..health care. 2009 Harris/Decima poll: 82% of Canadians preferred their health care system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system.. Strategic Counsel survey in 2008: 91% of Canadians preferring their health care system to that of the U.S
@swu880 And by the way, never had to fight an insurance co. to get a h.c. claim paid, never even had to file a claim.
And at my age I have had to see a doctor numerous times for illness or injuries, had hospital stays, had operations.
Never had to spend a dime out of pocket for any of it. It's covered by taxes and, again, the amount we spend in taxes for h.c. is far less than you turkeys spend on private h.c. insurance. We have no deductibles, no co-payments, no caps.
Which is better? Huge Compulsive Bureaucracies taking in a ton of money yet not even handling a penny properly? or having a bunch of charities & people help groups that voluntarily give almost 100% of the money received directly to people in need?
Volunarism: Money recieved --> Charities --> (99%) --> People in need
Fema: Tax people--> 10-20% already get lost--> 10-20% gets to fema --> all that money disappears --> not even a penny manages to get to the people
govt has its nose way too deep! Yet its in debt! no money! none! zilch! nadda! nothing! So what the hell's it doing tryin to regulate, mandate, subsidize & bailout all these crap social agendas? Socialistic policies take a ton of money & resources, waste half of it in bureaucracy- look @ ussr- & give at most some to some people
Are u sayin that there are NO long ass wait lines? are u sayin that doctors can charge however they see fit? are u sayin that patients can pay the lowest possible amount while recieving the highest quality care? are u sayin that I CAN CHOOSE NOT TO PAY INTO THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM?
@swu880 Are u sayin that Govt does not forcibly ration & place sever limits on benefits? (ie ~$22,000 per person in europe) are u sayin that the plans all cover and are accepted by any doctor possible? are u sayin that doctors willingly accept such a forced substandard when in fact many even reject medicare/medicaid systems?
Are u sayin that govt does not invade my free choice?
@swu880 In Can. UHC was first introduced in the prov. of Saskatchewan in late 50’s by Premier Tommy Douglas (1904 – 1986). Opponents labeled the plan “socialized medicine, & called him a Marxist, & a Communist. He received death threats and doc.s threatened strike. But the reforms proved so popular that other politicians in other prov.'s soon adopted them. The Douglas government slowly paid off the huge public debt left by the previous Lib. gov.'t & created a budget surplus for Sask.
@megarational i suggest u look up friedman expose the social security fraud. There is nothing good that can come about it. it is totally unsustainable especially when u have population booms & recessions. Any 'slight' change in the populace could devestate the entire social security fund-
@swu880 We already know whether a universal health care financing system is better than your private health care insurance system.
That's why Canadians overwhelmingly prefer the universal system.
(Re-read poll results)
Regardless of our circumstances at any particular time in life, we never have to grovel for charity if we get ill or injured and need to see a doctor, or need to see a doctor for good preventative care.
@megarational thats cuz we've tarnished the system w/ a bunch of bullshit government & welfare bullcrap like social security! social security is as successful as the SS- its a scam! friedman clearly pointed it out!
After studying Reagan, Friedman, Ron Paul & Rand Paul & Hannan, if u still support a bs universal health insurance bill, you will obviously be in favor of tyranny
Socialism in theory sounds good & fun in games. But like all marxist theories & ideas, it tends to create more problems as it centralizes power unduly & allows for tyrants & dictators to rise
@swu880 Gee, you "study" (as if you had the intellect to study anything, you can barely repeat the propaganda coherently), extreme right wing nut balls, then repeat what you think they are saying as gospel.
Ron Paul, take your 'tax credit" idea and stick it up your ass.
What good does a non-refundable tax credit do for someone who doesn't make enough to pay any significant taxes?
As for "free enterprise" health care - how blind can you possibly be not to see that the free market avoids seniors and anyone with health issues and prices them out of the market.
Ron Paul, as interesting and well spoken as you are, you are not in touch with the mother ship.
Socialism will never work! never did! never does! never will! So if you try to force a socialistic policy, u only need to look @ how its already been tried, forced & miserably failed!
Face it nothing in the world is free- so to say 'free universal healthcare' is an oxymoron 3x. Firstly the government is NOT a charity- u want free stuff, go look for a charity! Universal healthcare- u can get healthcare anywhere in the US regardless whether u can pay for it
However what is being pushed is a UNIVERSALLY MANDATED & FORCED HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN- that should be its name.
Healthinsurance is totally different from health care! By havin BUREAUCRACY get involved & forcing the decision of health insurance on everybody, u get nothing! Every bureaucracy wastes resources & the greater the bureaucracy the greater the waste! They hinder the flow of resources & services.
Just look @ the fema distribute water- that says enough for itself
The cost of a socialized universally mandated & forced health insurance plan- is gonna be far greater than most plans u are paying for. And the payout is gonna be FAR LESS! that is the result of bureaucracy meddling & RATIONING
rationing is inevitable- havin govt dictate what u can & can not get through economic means. And also govt tells u which doctors u can & can not see; which drugs u can & can not get
This is taking power AWAY from rightful people & putting it in hands of the corruptible few. This is tyranny!
Rather than letting patient/doctor decide how medicine goes, u want government to further constrict the relationship & screw it up? get real- when govt does that u will have long ass wait lines, & virtually NO control over ur own care
@swu880 Oh really? Is that why virtually every other advanced nation has some form of universal health care/health care insurance system and they all deliver health care with comparable results for a fraction of the cost of the grossly overly expensive U.S. h.c. system?
You can regurgitate the Fox Fiction talking points. You can't accept facts.
@swu880 Premiums go down as risk pool size increases.
The largest possible risk pool - the entire nation.
Having the largest possible risk pool absorb the cost is a hell of a lot cheaper and more humane than putting h.c. costs on the backs of the sick & injured, especially considering that when you are sick or injured it's the time you can least afford it.
Those who advocate universal health care financing are not advocating socialism.
Laissez faire capitalism is a proven success in building a nations wealth.
It is a proven failure in ensuring a fair distribution of that wealth and preventing abuse of individuals.
It's why an intelligent, principled and pragmatic nation will have a free enterprise system but with laws & regulations to curb abuses and common sense social safety nets.
I aint gonna pay for ur welfare- u want welfare, go look for a charity! its totally unconstitutional- forcing everyone to buy a certain insurance plan & bullshitting that it benefits everyone
pay for ur own health care & choose ur own health care. If u cant, find a charity! govt aint charity
the BS health insurance bill was so obviously written in favor of lobbyists- aka special interest bribes- that give SPECIAL PRIVELAGE TO THOSE SELECT INSURANCE FIRMS!
this absolves all capitalism from market; it is truly a crime against humanity.
health care is not a right- & definitely nor is health insurance. u aint got a right to a car, cell phone nor home
The more people u provide 'cheap access' to, the more its really gonna cost to cover everyone! And in fact u downgrade & strictly limit the coverage available for any single person!
That is the result of rationing & uniformity. u get the same low quality expensive as hell plans that don't give you scrap
The best option is to Slap out the third parties! Restore the patient-doctor relationship
if u infringe the relationship by using a third party like some bullshit government mandated insurance plan, govt dictates what u can & can not do
Who do u think spends money wiser? You urself? or som bullshit foreign entity like govt? just look @ the BS bank bailouts which are entirely unconstitutional
look @ the crazy debt. There IS NO MONEY FOR ANY SOCIALISTIC PROGRAM! THERE NEVER WAS NOR WILL THERE BE! its ecnomically impossible & inefficient to maintain a socialistic policy
Milton friedman, Reagan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul & Hannan all warned u about the irony & ills of socialistic policies like socialized medical insurance! It infringes on like everyone's rights & overextends govt powers beyond the scope of the constitution
If u want free healthcare- go fucking look for a charity! Charities are generally far more organized & well equipped than any govt bureaucracy could ever be! Look @ FEMA and katrina. That bureaucracy totally failed at distributing any supplies. Most of the successful work was done by charities!
People have the resources! NOT GOVERNMENT! people have the choice! NOT GOVERNMENT!
Sure private insurance companies do have a # of problems i admit that- but most of problems
@swu880 deal not so much w/ access as it does expense! And universalizing it would obviously forcibly drive costs up while decreasing the benefits for like everyone who has insurance
Moreover, many people dont necessarily use insurance as a health payment plan- there are many other options. So forcing EVERYONE to get this or that is literally TYRANNY!
@swu880 For anyone who has lost their job through no fault of their own, and lost their h.c. coverage as a result, and they or a member of their family get's sick or injured, ask them whether the right to go see a doctor and get treatment is "tyranny".
I suspect they will tell you to go fuck yourself - they just need to see a doctor.
@swu880 What, the only "rights" are those a few people in the past decided to put in the old "constitution" document? Did they get them in the form of tablets direct from God?
You have rights because your nation chose to treat them as rights.
A measure of the greatness of a nation is what they chose to treat as "rights".
Any idiot or idiot nation that thinks being able to see a doctor and get treated if you are sick or injured should not be treated as a right is beneath contempt.
Respond to this video...The millions who lost their jobs & h.c. insur. when jobs were shipped overseas, and the people who are losing their lively hood cause of the gulf oil spill probably never thought they would have to depend on social safety nets either.
That's the problem with people like you who are so narrow minded they could see through a keyhole with both eyes. It starts with an "it could never happen to me so to hell with everyone else" arrogance and stupidity.
He's come to mush your brains with an idiotic simplistic circular philosophy.
He's doing it so that when the Klingons take over - they can round up the idiots that believed him and destroy them - thereby thinning the herd of genetically inferior humanoids.
The Jews funded Hitler to form the Terrorist State of Israel. What has been done to Germany is the Biggest Heist in the History of the World. The JEWS are EVIL People. Germany is now almost dead and the German People so Ridden with Jewish Fake Guilt don't even have Children Anymore. Jews ARE ANTI-Christ. Please Have Children. GERMANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE. Khazar JEWS ARE EVIL.
@philos4r I don't think it is being faked, there's LOTS of damage that is being done to be faked which is sad. If you are talking about this being intentional...not sure. What I suspect is this can give the government an excuse control and socialize our oil indurstries now.
im an idiot, but hes better then any1 else he reads shit and says facts eh doesnt use emotions and image to persaude dumb ppl jst facts thats why smart ppl who do reserach vote for him
I love Ron Paul. he should be our president but there is no way in hell this bill passes. Lawyers, insurance companies and most importantly the federal government would all lose too much money.
we for america sake and the worlds sake i hope he gets elected and follow thru with making america a respectable place and to stop creating war and not pull an oboma who isnt even american and hes a president
It's elegantly simple, common-sense, and actually works in favor of the general public.
Which is why it probably won't pass unless we can get a lot of the far-left nanny-staters and the far-right corporatism drones out of Congress. Do your part and vote this year, and vote for smaller, more responsible government, even if it means writing people in.
Has anyone else looked at the ratings above where you give the thumb up? There is a 134 thumbs up and 2 thumbs down, who would give a thumbs down??? Why is it a bad thing to want a tax credit? In fact, why can't we just get rid of income taxes all together? If we can just print money (apparently) why do we pay any taxes at all???
How in the hell did obama win.. ? How can we stop him from the "state of emergency" that he is going to announce. To stop the next election? Ron knows how if anyone dose. Thank you Ron for all you do.
Go to YouTube dot com for interviews with Gerald Celente, Bob Chapman, Adrian Salbuchi, Marc Faber, Jim Rogers and Schiff from CT. Some are short. Some are long. All are informative.
If I was american, I would vote for ron paul just because he isn't bought, even though I think he's completely wrong on most things. From the outside, the american government looks completely corrupt :/.
@Munkatten Nobody claimed he was the messiah. He is merely a bearer of a philosophy of peace and justice that has been hundreds of years in the making. He may not be right about everything... no one is. As I am sure you are not either. My money is on you being wrong much more often. You're not the messiah either, despite what you might think.
Point is that you assume that I'm wrong without even knowing the subject.
It's silly, and you claiming that either ron is wrong, or I'm wrong, is worse yet. It's the black and white mentality that seems to be the plague of world. Different solutions to problems come with different consequences. A worldview might be morally wrong, but the consequences of the realization of that worldview might be something you personally disagree with.
@Munkatten Yes, I assume that you are wrong. When you say he is wrong about so much, you are saying that you are right. If you did not "know" right, you would not know if it was wrong. And if you think he is wrong about a lot... then yes, I think you are probably wrong. Like I said he is merely a spokesman for a philosophy based on non-aggression. Why not point out something he is wrong about then?
For example, I think paying for healthcare with taxes is a good idea, I disagree with people having to pay for their own healthcare. This doesn't mean that the absolute right answer is doing what I think is right, because there is none, there's just different solutions.
I disagree with Ron Paul on vaccination of the swine flu, for example, since his solution costs too much. But since he believes in almost no government intervention, it makes sense.
@Munkatten Unfortunately, there are absolutes. If there were not, then it would be an absolute, and therefore there would be absolutes. Contradictions do not exist. There is right and wrong absolutely, and subjectively. Values are subjective, but rationality is not. You set the values, but the ratio's cannot be changed without a change in the values placed. If you value all humans equally then this is contradictory. Not to mention it makes no sense, as it takes market pricing away from consumer.
It is wrong ethically, economically, and lawfully. I think it is simpler to just say it is wrong. It is not a different solution... it is a big problem.
If you value all people equally you wouldn't want some people forced out of their homes because of healthcare bills, set extraordinarily high to make profit to a select few.
I do not present that as an argument, but a change of perspective, we're not dealing with absolutes, but with solutions.
I disagree with some, and I agree with others, but since we wish to push for different goals, all of our solutions could be considered right, or wrong.
@Munkatten The skyrocketing cost of hc is a prime example of government involvement in voluntary exchange. If you look at sectors where there is more gov't involvement, there are always higher prices, and poorer service. HC, Education, Banking, so on so forth. If you look at (elective) medicine, the prices have been falling....ie Eye surgery, plastic surgery. TV's are getting cheaper, pencils, pens, cups... We don't have soaring pencil prices problems.
So you are saying that the private insurance companies were providing affordable health care insurance for seniors before the nasty old government introduced Medicare?
You fucking idiot. Medicare was necessitated because the private insurance industry wouldn't provide affordable h.c. insurance for seniors.
@Munkatten "If you value all people equally you wouldn't want some people forced out of their homes because of healthcare bills"
So forcing people out of their homes to pay for other people to not be forced out of their home is a consistent idea? How is this a solution, if the problem is people being forced out of their homes?
I doubt we have different goals. Its just your idea does not accomplish the goal... that is why we say it is wrong.
@theoriginalanomaly That's how Fox Fiction turds like you distort reality and twist facts.
If you couldn't even afford your mortgage payments, you wouldn't be paying more for someone else's health care. In fact you would probably qualify for h.c. premium subsidies. Result - neither person loses their homes due to h.c. costs - a complete change from the system before h.c. reform.
@theoriginalanomaly LOL talk about flawed logic..."When you say he is wrong about so much, you are saying that you are right. " I know you can't fly. therefore, I can fly, HAHAHA. otherwise, how wouls i know you can't fly? I know you don't know the solution to 5728418*9233/4637. because I know you don't know it, I must know it. HAHAHAHAAH
The problem with our healthcare debate is that we argue whether corporations or government should manage our health. But why hasn't anyone asked if patients can manage their own health? Most people never ask the bigger questions.
@BloodiCheeseCake Of course people can manage their own health care.
It's paying for it that's the problem if you are at lower income and incur an expensive illness or injury.
Fox Fiction pulled the wool over the eyes of people like you by positioning the health care debate as about "government health care" when in reality the issue was national health care financing versus for profit insurance company financing.
@megarational Most Americans, or people for that matter see the issue as health insurance companies versus government insurance. We must ask bigger questions. Why let third parties pay for healthcare?
If we let self-managing doctors negotiate prices with patients (without govt or insurance companies in the way), health care prices will lower. The US healthcare problem is rising prices and if we eliminate the third party payer system altogether we can eliminate rigid price controls & lower them.
@BloodiCheeseCake If doc.s' take less for a patient who has the time to "negotiate", what makes you think they won't gouge the next one who needs med. attention immediately and doesn't have the luxury of or time to negotiate?
Why should doc.'s negotiate at all since there is a shortage of doctors?:
Those are just some of the problems with your "theory". A single payer system is the best to spread costs over the entire nation, have the size & clout to negotiate low prices, & cover everyone. .
@megarational Well what I mean by negotiate prices is by a patient finding the best doctor for the best prices. And as for shortage of doctors, that's a big reason why the American system is not doing so well. There is a shortage largely because the American Medical Association lobbies for government limits on the supply of doctors. A single-payer system is better than the current US system but it doesn't "cover everyone", there is rationing due to price controls.
@megarational It's a matter of trade-off, price controls imposed by a single-payer system do not allow the maximum supply (of doctors or whatever) and will result in shortages (ex. waiting lines). Our system experiences a surplus (due to high prices) , to solve this problem price competition must not be stifled by government limiting the supply of doctors and other interferences. Price competition is key to ensuring prices stay low.
You are dreaming in technicolor. The U.S. also has a shortage of doc.s .
And doc.s are extremely frustrated at the administrative nightmare of dealing with hundreds of separate insur. co's all with their own regulations and plans and reporting requirements. They are sick of having to fight HMO's to get payment, and having to consult the insurance co's as to the "allowed" treatments. Single payer = huge administrative savings.
100% expenses, not bad, what about the poor?????
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Kimindigo 10 months ago
Although I firmly believe that we have a right to the freedom to pursue good health to the greatest extent we are able, I do not believe it is a right to have healthcare provided to you. Given that, if the majority wishes for governent assisted health care, then let's do that. Education, the Courts, Police and Law Enforcement, Fire and rescure services are all delivered directly and administered locally as approved by the state. Deliver healtcare in the same manner and save billions each year.
montewt1 1 year ago
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Krupification 1 year ago
Megarational; your name is like calling Hitler a humantarian. A few things and no I don't watch Fox News; what was the projected cost for social security and how much does it actually cost? Or Amtrak? Or the Postal Service? How about Medcare? How much are our unfunded liabilities right now?
You are a fool if you believe that ObamaCare is a good idea. It is just going to sink us further into debt. For all the whining about the ppl losing their jobs, the HSA solves that problem.
jackolini 1 year ago
@swu880
Note- capitalism & corporatism are 2 entirely separate concepts. Please look up the meanings. corporatism is what has corrupted the system of trade & the buisness cycles.
swu880 1 year ago
the so called 'universal health insurance' bill is obviously written BY SELECT insurance companies FOR SELECT insurance companies. Its called a govt subsidized monopoly!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 To some extent. Mostly because idiots like you and the obstructionist GOP missed your chance for a public option, which would have given insurance companies REAL competition.
It's absurd. You blow your chance at giving the insurance co's competition, then bitch because the insurance co's have no competition.
megarational 1 year ago
SHOW ME A TIME WHEN GOVT IS NOT INEPT IN HANDLING DOMESTIC AFFAIRS! Show me a time when govt is actually efficient in handling domestic affairs! hell even the police are inept- thank god! if they weren't so inept, u would already be working as slaves
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Try getting affordable private h.c. insurance if you are older or have health issues. It makes every government program look great by comparison.
If Medicare is so bad, why do the majority of seniors have a favorable opinion of it?
If Medicare is inept, why does it operate on a 3% overhead compared to a 30% overhead for private insurance?
Sometimes accomplishing a necessary social goal, even if you argue that it is inefficient, is better than the alternative.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
There is a huge problem w/ medicare medicaid system as well as all welfare systems. first there is a reason why a lot of doctors refuse to take medicare or medicaid-
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 /watch?v=MnTVpoheUlc&feature=related
There is very little competition actually. Very very little capitalism- most of it is all this 3rd party involvement, SUBSIDIZING & special privelages. First, medicare/medicaid FIX prices as in prevent price mobility. This is counter capitalism
Second, the medicare/medicaid further dictate what kind of doctor/treatment/drugs u may get!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
Third, b/c of all the hassle & ineptness of getting paid through the system, doctors often refuse to take medicare/medicaid
And it is absolutely wrong to do any 1 of these three things. u can neither force a doctor to charge a certain price, u cant force all this hassle on them, u can NOT force me to pay for ur crappy care, & u cant force crappy insurance policy on me!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
use ur own money to pay for ur own service period. u want insurance, then pay for it. want free medical care? go to a charity!
i aint gonna be part of a bullshit rationing system that takes a ton of money while giving little benefit- i aint gonna go for no long ass wait lines
i aint gonna pay for ur crap care- u cant force me! that is what free choice is!
quit complaining- thats life. Get a charity
The health insurance bill guarantees special privelage to certain companies!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 You ARE part of the worst rationing system in existence.
You are rationed by the type of insurance you can afford, by co-payments, deductibles and caps, and by insurance co's dropping coverage for any trivial reason if you develop an expensive illness (at least before h.c. reform).
You were part of a system that rationed 41 million people right out of h.c. entirely (except for emergency room stabilization).
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational there is no capitalism here- capitalism would be where first the govt butts out, next the govt stays out, next the companies compete for consumers, next they keep competing for consumers & finally consumers make a choice on which one to get- IF they want it
Just like laser eye surgery- the prices go down cuz of competition not subsidizing!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 So due the marvels of totally free enterprise, lets say you cut the cost of a particular operation from, say, $10,000 down to say $6000.
How does that help the person whose lost their job when it was shipped overseas and doesn't have the $6000?
Oh yeah, they can grovel for charity right?
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880
u even know what subsidizing is? subsidize is where some bullshit govt decides to stick its fingers into a buisiness & use everyone's money & taxes to pay for som bs service or product. This gives companies a totally UNFAIR ADVANTAGE! And its the source for monopoly used by pharma-medical-industrial complex & the military-industrial-complex
But we need a system that competes to offer consumers the best system for lowest cost- just like every other capitalist product
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
Do u even know WHO the 40,000 are? u keep spoutin some 40,000 people, but u dont even know who the fuck they are!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 there are many other options other than a private health insurance- u can also use health savings & credit. Theres much more u can do in the private sector among the private citizens & people than u could ever do by passing a compulsory bullshit bill that forces u to monopolize a certain insurance company(s)
rather than spend all that money on useless taxes for somethin u dont want or really need, u can invest in a 401k, invest in gold, invest in a health savings account,
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 The other problem with your political & gov't system (& it is related to the first one) is the domination of two parties. It's led to a "win at all costs" sports team environment, where the parties know that positioning any issue by carefully selected labels, slogans, scare tactics and smears is more effective on idiot voters like yourself than any pragmatic well though out debate.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Health savings?
So if you have a good enough income that you can amass sufficient savings and don't get sick - do you get to pocket those savings?
Whereas if you amass savings & get sick you have to use your savings to pay for h.c.?
That is shifting h.c. costs from the largest possible risk pool onto the backs of the sick & injured.
And if you are young and your h.c. costs exceed your savings you are free to go bankrupt?
And if you go bankrupt & are still sick grovel for charity.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 You are talking about Laissez-faire capitalism.
Here's how that works:
Unregulated free enterprise leads to abuses (eg: tobacco companies, asbestos industry, oil companies, corporatism, unsafe products on the market just for the profits, etc. etc. etc.) The public then demands that their gov't step in to protect the consumers and develop effective policies.
Want to know what's wrong with your government? Why you never seem to get good gov't no matter which party is in power?
Read on.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 You will never have effective gov't until you remove the power of money over the campaign, election, and lobbying processes.
eg:
- prohibit campaign & political party contributions from unions, corp.'s and deep pocket special interests.
- curtail their power to blanket the media with "unsigned" propaganda ads
Until you remove the power of money over elections you will always end up with gov't that represents deep pocket special interests more than it represents the ordinary citizen.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 How about that. You can repeat the "law of supply and demand" Keynesian model of an economics 101 textbook.
If you actually got as as far as economics 202 and beyond you would know that the model is too simplistic.
Of course, simplistic is all you are capable of.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 What, you think it's impossible to have a capitalist system and still have a universal health care system?
Aren't you people smart enough to figure out how to do it?
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Private insurance co's & HMO's dictate what doctor you can see, what treatment you can get, whether you can go to the hospital, and if so what hospital, how long you are allowed to stay in that hospital, what lab is to be used etc.
And all along the way they demand paperwork from the claimant, the doctor, the hospital, even were the doctor has prescribed a treatment.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 For the senior on lower income, there was a hell of a lot bigger problem finding affordable health care insurance before Medicare.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
But the thing is, u are looking at it entirely the wrong way. First off, how is it that cds, monitors, tvs, and computers have become so inexpensive yet so powerful? a few decades ago the idea of everyone carrying around gigabytes of info on a key chain was unfathomable. Now for like less than a few dollars, u can get couple GB mem
This is called capitalism
swu880 1 year ago
no, No, NO!
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Healthcare OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT MANDATED SOCIALISM is what got us into this mess of TYRANNY we presently find ourselves! Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!
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watch?v=PgkaADtZkt4
YouTube video " WHY BIG PUSH FOR HEALTHCARE? :: Glenn Beck ASKS WHY Sterilizations, Abortions, & ... EDUCATION?"
TheLiarBarrySoetoro 1 year ago
@TheLiarBarrySoetoro Universal health care coverage is tyranny?
No, it's freedom.
Freedom to quit your job and start a business or get further education without worrying about losing h.c. coverage.
Freedom to concentrate on work and family without worrying about having to file medical claims or "caps" or deductibles or co-payments or worrying about going bankrupt if you develop a serious illness and can no longer work and bring in the same income.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational u force me to pay for somethin that i absolutely deplore & dont need, dont want! thats like me forcing u to buy a house & a car. can i force u to buy a house & car? can i force u to buy a cd or a ipod just cuz i think everyone should have music cuz music is so great? can i force u to buy a t-shirt cuz i think its cool?
swu880 1 year ago
I aint a charity, nor is govt. govt is the source for tyranny & control. If u give govt a dollar, it loses it, goes in debt & taxes u on it.
So stop talking to me about all this bullshit helpin everyone. If u want to help 'everyone' w/o risking harm on everyone, all the doctors & free world, then find ur own charity & stick with that. If its a good charity, i vote on it w/ my support of contribution. if it sucks, i discourage it & give the dollar somewhere else(not to govt).
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 You're a dumb turd without the mental capacity of thinking in terms of anything except slogans and labels.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
well imagine ALL the problems you have. Imagine ALL the possible problems you have w/ health insurance & merely getting in the door to the doctor's office. Combine that w/ ALL the problems you have w/ getting the government to respond- look how responsive & "functional" social security is, look how functional&responsive fema is @ distributing water, look how functional&responsive the Indian 'healthcare' system is,
now multiply all those problems by 10x.
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
That is how effective the so called 'universal health insurance' is gonna be!
1)Long ass wait lines- may have to wait months or even years to see a 'covered doctor'.
2)Very limited Coverage as result of rationing- there aint any way everyone can get covered w/ high benefits
3)Very high costs through forced taxes or inflation & future taxes as result of borrowing- the govt is ALREADY BROKE! there is NO money in the system
4)Govt dictates what u med&treatment u can&can NOT get
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 look @ the UK & double the problems- that is what u should expect. Since when has govt bureaucracy been super efficient? since when has it been super effective except in cases where it deliberately screws up foreign govt & funds terrorists & tyrants?
We hav NEITHER the RESOURCES nor possible infrastructure to ever efficiently cover everyone w/ high benefit insurance. so stop fuckin complainin & get the govt off my ass
U want govt? go look @ fema & shove it up ur ass cuz I dont want it!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Don't talk to me about universal health care you brainwashed fool.
Most of my life I have lived in Canada with a u.h.c. financing system, & find it hard to imagine a system where not everyone can see a doctor when they need to.
And yet the amount we pay in taxes for the universal system is far less than you idiots pay in private insurance premiums, and we don't have to worry about coverage being canceled.
Do Canadians prefer their h.c. system?
Read next comment.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 2009 poll by Nanos Research:86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions to..health care. 2009 Harris/Decima poll: 82% of Canadians preferred their health care system to the one in the United States, more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system.. Strategic Counsel survey in 2008: 91% of Canadians preferring their health care system to that of the U.S
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 And by the way, never had to fight an insurance co. to get a h.c. claim paid, never even had to file a claim.
And at my age I have had to see a doctor numerous times for illness or injuries, had hospital stays, had operations.
Never had to spend a dime out of pocket for any of it. It's covered by taxes and, again, the amount we spend in taxes for h.c. is far less than you turkeys spend on private h.c. insurance. We have no deductibles, no co-payments, no caps.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
Which is better? Huge Compulsive Bureaucracies taking in a ton of money yet not even handling a penny properly? or having a bunch of charities & people help groups that voluntarily give almost 100% of the money received directly to people in need?
Volunarism: Money recieved --> Charities --> (99%) --> People in need
Fema: Tax people--> 10-20% already get lost--> 10-20% gets to fema --> all that money disappears --> not even a penny manages to get to the people
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
govt has its nose way too deep! Yet its in debt! no money! none! zilch! nadda! nothing! So what the hell's it doing tryin to regulate, mandate, subsidize & bailout all these crap social agendas? Socialistic policies take a ton of money & resources, waste half of it in bureaucracy- look @ ussr- & give at most some to some people
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
once u hav govt & third parties butting in, u have VIOLATED THE SACRED RELATIONSHIPS OF THE PRACTICE- u violate the doctor-patient relation
There is no real capitalism in actual healthcare. half of it is all SUBSIDIZED
subsidized does not equal capitalism. subsidize is the opposite of capitalism!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
Are u sayin that there are NO long ass wait lines? are u sayin that doctors can charge however they see fit? are u sayin that patients can pay the lowest possible amount while recieving the highest quality care? are u sayin that I CAN CHOOSE NOT TO PAY INTO THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM?
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Are u sayin that Govt does not forcibly ration & place sever limits on benefits? (ie ~$22,000 per person in europe) are u sayin that the plans all cover and are accepted by any doctor possible? are u sayin that doctors willingly accept such a forced substandard when in fact many even reject medicare/medicaid systems?
Are u sayin that govt does not invade my free choice?
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 In Can. UHC was first introduced in the prov. of Saskatchewan in late 50’s by Premier Tommy Douglas (1904 – 1986). Opponents labeled the plan “socialized medicine, & called him a Marxist, & a Communist. He received death threats and doc.s threatened strike. But the reforms proved so popular that other politicians in other prov.'s soon adopted them. The Douglas government slowly paid off the huge public debt left by the previous Lib. gov.'t & created a budget surplus for Sask.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 I'm saying that the universal h.c. financing system is a preferable and a hell of a lot less expensive than the private insurance system.
And by the way, your toolish "socialist" arguments against universal h.c. is nothing new.
Read on:
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational i suggest u look up friedman expose the social security fraud. There is nothing good that can come about it. it is totally unsustainable especially when u have population booms & recessions. Any 'slight' change in the populace could devestate the entire social security fund-
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 We already know whether a universal health care financing system is better than your private health care insurance system.
That's why Canadians overwhelmingly prefer the universal system.
(Re-read poll results)
Regardless of our circumstances at any particular time in life, we never have to grovel for charity if we get ill or injured and need to see a doctor, or need to see a doctor for good preventative care.
So fuck your "charity" bullshit.
It's never solved your h.c. prob's.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational thats cuz we've tarnished the system w/ a bunch of bullshit government & welfare bullcrap like social security! social security is as successful as the SS- its a scam! friedman clearly pointed it out!
swu880 1 year ago
@megarational
Nothing wrong with charity.
Unfortunately, no one can depend on it.
Especially when it tends to dry up during tough economic times.
Or hadn't you noticed?
megarational 1 year ago
After studying Reagan, Friedman, Ron Paul & Rand Paul & Hannan, if u still support a bs universal health insurance bill, you will obviously be in favor of tyranny
Socialism in theory sounds good & fun in games. But like all marxist theories & ideas, it tends to create more problems as it centralizes power unduly & allows for tyrants & dictators to rise
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Gee, you "study" (as if you had the intellect to study anything, you can barely repeat the propaganda coherently), extreme right wing nut balls, then repeat what you think they are saying as gospel.
You are pathetic.
megarational 1 year ago
Ron Paul, take your 'tax credit" idea and stick it up your ass.
What good does a non-refundable tax credit do for someone who doesn't make enough to pay any significant taxes?
As for "free enterprise" health care - how blind can you possibly be not to see that the free market avoids seniors and anyone with health issues and prices them out of the market.
Ron Paul, as interesting and well spoken as you are, you are not in touch with the mother ship.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
Socialism will never work! never did! never does! never will! So if you try to force a socialistic policy, u only need to look @ how its already been tried, forced & miserably failed!
Face it nothing in the world is free- so to say 'free universal healthcare' is an oxymoron 3x. Firstly the government is NOT a charity- u want free stuff, go look for a charity! Universal healthcare- u can get healthcare anywhere in the US regardless whether u can pay for it
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
However what is being pushed is a UNIVERSALLY MANDATED & FORCED HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN- that should be its name.
Healthinsurance is totally different from health care! By havin BUREAUCRACY get involved & forcing the decision of health insurance on everybody, u get nothing! Every bureaucracy wastes resources & the greater the bureaucracy the greater the waste! They hinder the flow of resources & services.
Just look @ the fema distribute water- that says enough for itself
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
The cost of a socialized universally mandated & forced health insurance plan- is gonna be far greater than most plans u are paying for. And the payout is gonna be FAR LESS! that is the result of bureaucracy meddling & RATIONING
rationing is inevitable- havin govt dictate what u can & can not get through economic means. And also govt tells u which doctors u can & can not see; which drugs u can & can not get
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
This is taking power AWAY from rightful people & putting it in hands of the corruptible few. This is tyranny!
Rather than letting patient/doctor decide how medicine goes, u want government to further constrict the relationship & screw it up? get real- when govt does that u will have long ass wait lines, & virtually NO control over ur own care
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Oh really? Is that why virtually every other advanced nation has some form of universal health care/health care insurance system and they all deliver health care with comparable results for a fraction of the cost of the grossly overly expensive U.S. h.c. system?
You can regurgitate the Fox Fiction talking points. You can't accept facts.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Gee, it's almost like you bought into the insurance industry and GOP scare tactics.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Premiums go down as risk pool size increases.
The largest possible risk pool - the entire nation.
Having the largest possible risk pool absorb the cost is a hell of a lot cheaper and more humane than putting h.c. costs on the backs of the sick & injured, especially considering that when you are sick or injured it's the time you can least afford it.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880
Those who advocate universal health care financing are not advocating socialism.
Laissez faire capitalism is a proven success in building a nations wealth.
It is a proven failure in ensuring a fair distribution of that wealth and preventing abuse of individuals.
It's why an intelligent, principled and pragmatic nation will have a free enterprise system but with laws & regulations to curb abuses and common sense social safety nets.
Universal h.c. is a safety net - not socialism.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880
As for "free", no one outside of Fox Fiction refers to it as "free".
It's paid for by the largest possible risk pool - the entire nation.
If you have a job and a good income - you contribute. That makes you one of the lucky ones. If you get sick you cash in on the benefits.
If you don't have sufficient income and get sick or injured you benefit. That makes you one of the unlucky ones.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational
I aint gonna pay for ur welfare- u want welfare, go look for a charity! its totally unconstitutional- forcing everyone to buy a certain insurance plan & bullshitting that it benefits everyone
pay for ur own health care & choose ur own health care. If u cant, find a charity! govt aint charity
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
the BS health insurance bill was so obviously written in favor of lobbyists- aka special interest bribes- that give SPECIAL PRIVELAGE TO THOSE SELECT INSURANCE FIRMS!
this absolves all capitalism from market; it is truly a crime against humanity.
health care is not a right- & definitely nor is health insurance. u aint got a right to a car, cell phone nor home
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
The only thing u have a right to is urself & ur liberties expressed in the bill of rights which were endowed not by government but by God
u want cheap health insurance for EVERYONE w/ vast amount of coverage? get real! First u can NOT force health insurance nor health care on ANYONE.
second, u can not have a cheap health insurance for everyone w/ vast amount of coverage! The program is contradictory to itself
They tried that in EU- fail miserably!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
The more people u provide 'cheap access' to, the more its really gonna cost to cover everyone! And in fact u downgrade & strictly limit the coverage available for any single person!
That is the result of rationing & uniformity. u get the same low quality expensive as hell plans that don't give you scrap
The best option is to Slap out the third parties! Restore the patient-doctor relationship
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
if u infringe the relationship by using a third party like some bullshit government mandated insurance plan, govt dictates what u can & can not do
Who do u think spends money wiser? You urself? or som bullshit foreign entity like govt? just look @ the BS bank bailouts which are entirely unconstitutional
look @ the crazy debt. There IS NO MONEY FOR ANY SOCIALISTIC PROGRAM! THERE NEVER WAS NOR WILL THERE BE! its ecnomically impossible & inefficient to maintain a socialistic policy
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
Milton friedman, Reagan, Ron Paul, Rand Paul & Hannan all warned u about the irony & ills of socialistic policies like socialized medical insurance! It infringes on like everyone's rights & overextends govt powers beyond the scope of the constitution
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880
If u want free healthcare- go fucking look for a charity! Charities are generally far more organized & well equipped than any govt bureaucracy could ever be! Look @ FEMA and katrina. That bureaucracy totally failed at distributing any supplies. Most of the successful work was done by charities!
People have the resources! NOT GOVERNMENT! people have the choice! NOT GOVERNMENT!
Sure private insurance companies do have a # of problems i admit that- but most of problems
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 deal not so much w/ access as it does expense! And universalizing it would obviously forcibly drive costs up while decreasing the benefits for like everyone who has insurance
Moreover, many people dont necessarily use insurance as a health payment plan- there are many other options. So forcing EVERYONE to get this or that is literally TYRANNY!
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 For anyone who has lost their job through no fault of their own, and lost their h.c. coverage as a result, and they or a member of their family get's sick or injured, ask them whether the right to go see a doctor and get treatment is "tyranny".
I suspect they will tell you to go fuck yourself - they just need to see a doctor.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Is that why you have the most expensive h.c. system in the world, with no better overall results and not even achieving universal coverage?
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 What, the only "rights" are those a few people in the past decided to put in the old "constitution" document? Did they get them in the form of tablets direct from God?
You have rights because your nation chose to treat them as rights.
A measure of the greatness of a nation is what they chose to treat as "rights".
Any idiot or idiot nation that thinks being able to see a doctor and get treated if you are sick or injured should not be treated as a right is beneath contempt.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Of course lobbyists had a tremendous influence. So did political party, election, and campaign contributions.
Once again, that will never change until you end the power of money over your election process.
Once again:
- prohibit campaign or political party contributions from unions, corporations, and all deep pocket special interests
- limit the ability of deep pocket special interests to blanket the media with deceptive and "unsigned" political, policy, and propaganda ads.
megarational 1 year ago
Respond to this video...The millions who lost their jobs & h.c. insur. when jobs were shipped overseas, and the people who are losing their lively hood cause of the gulf oil spill probably never thought they would have to depend on social safety nets either.
That's the problem with people like you who are so narrow minded they could see through a keyhole with both eyes. It starts with an "it could never happen to me so to hell with everyone else" arrogance and stupidity.
megarational 1 year ago
@swu880 Well when there is no social safety nets and people are starving - let them break into your home and shoot you just to get food.
megarational 1 year ago
Ron Paul is NOT a polititican!! he is a truth telling leader
FOLLOW RON PAUL...ALL THE COOL KIDS ARE DOING IT.
bethturpin 1 year ago
@bethturpin Yeah, he's a fad. Like bell-bottom pants and Afros in the 60's, and pants sagging down to the knees today.
megarational 1 year ago
Remember to contact your congressman/woman letting them know if you would like this passed!
pgncam17 1 year ago 2
Can anyone say Genius
wheelinco 1 year ago
@wheelinco I can, but I would spell it: R-O-N P-A-U-L.
steve0281 1 year ago
@steve0281 Can't you see? Don't you get it?
Ron Paul spelled backward is Laup Nor.
That's right - he's a Klingon.
He's come to mush your brains with an idiotic simplistic circular philosophy.
He's doing it so that when the Klingons take over - they can round up the idiots that believed him and destroy them - thereby thinning the herd of genetically inferior humanoids.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational You know? That was actually funny! Kudos to you, sir!
steve0281 1 year ago
right on! Private option health care! Wonder how far it will go.
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CodexAlimentarius1 1 year ago
@CodexAlimentarius1 What the hell does any of that have to do with Ron Paul or reform of Americas healthcare system? You're a liberal troll. GTFO.
boooyah9 1 year ago
could the oik spill be faked but for what purpose? anyone plz.
philos4r 1 year ago
@philos4r I don't think it is being faked, there's LOTS of damage that is being done to be faked which is sad. If you are talking about this being intentional...not sure. What I suspect is this can give the government an excuse control and socialize our oil indurstries now.
roadkillz78 1 year ago
My biggest problem isn't "skyrocketing cost" Dr. Paul.
Sigrafix 1 year ago
capital hill wont go for it.it makes to much sense
vette72green 1 year ago
this guy is a legend
for an old guy he has such a cute head lol! :)
gee i feel like giving the world to this guy
im an idiot, but hes better then any1 else he reads shit and says facts eh doesnt use emotions and image to persaude dumb ppl jst facts thats why smart ppl who do reserach vote for him
ItsDomUnique 1 year ago
I love Ron Paul. he should be our president but there is no way in hell this bill passes. Lawyers, insurance companies and most importantly the federal government would all lose too much money.
Another good effort from Dr. Paul but pointless.
jackolini 1 year ago
Ron Paul... A true Patriot =')
Mayhem84 1 year ago
REVOLUTION
kxmode 1 year ago
I love ya Ron
nickkalbach 1 year ago
My hero.
Breetastic 1 year ago
If we are still free to vote in 2012, he's got mine!
tangledweb79 1 year ago 3
we for america sake and the worlds sake i hope he gets elected and follow thru with making america a respectable place and to stop creating war and not pull an oboma who isnt even american and hes a president
ron paul 2012
blog123456789 1 year ago 2
I like how you explain the mind-numbingly boring political issues in a 'no B.S. way'.
maimstayne 1 year ago 3
RUN RON RUN 2012 IS YOURS !!
katsfanman 1 year ago 2
Excellent idea, excellent bill, thanks, Senator Paul for introducing it and all else you do.
kennyvii 1 year ago
It's elegantly simple, common-sense, and actually works in favor of the general public.
Which is why it probably won't pass unless we can get a lot of the far-left nanny-staters and the far-right corporatism drones out of Congress. Do your part and vote this year, and vote for smaller, more responsible government, even if it means writing people in.
charlie8575 1 year ago 2
Ron Paul , The voice of reason and Fairness, Truth and True Understanding of the Needs our All americans.
merlinspower 1 year ago 3
Has anyone else looked at the ratings above where you give the thumb up? There is a 134 thumbs up and 2 thumbs down, who would give a thumbs down??? Why is it a bad thing to want a tax credit? In fact, why can't we just get rid of income taxes all together? If we can just print money (apparently) why do we pay any taxes at all???
anarchylogic 1 year ago 3
Why isn,t He our leader !
katsfanman 1 year ago 4
@katsfanman Lol, your apostrophe fell.
MeatLoafEnchilada 1 year ago
How in the hell did obama win.. ? How can we stop him from the "state of emergency" that he is going to announce. To stop the next election? Ron knows how if anyone dose. Thank you Ron for all you do.
Dealermann 1 year ago 3
Paul is like one of the founding fathers.
I hope he lives forever.
FzSBLACKMAGICK 1 year ago 5
u sir are an
amazing man.
pandamanman89 1 year ago
He never stops working on new solutions. How many things can he juggle at once... Keep it up, Ron Paul!
blueshoals 1 year ago
@blueshoals Are you insane, or just joking?
Ron Paul always 'working on new solutions"???
Nothing could be further from the truth.
He's a "one-trick-pony".
That trick is "trust me - let everyone just pursue profits without regulations or interference and all our problems will be solved'.
In other words - laissz faire capitalism.
If you believe that you are not living in reality and haven't done any research.
megarational 1 year ago
we as Americans are lucky to have such a man on our side.
john123wayne 1 year ago
Pres. Obama needs to take a class called "Ron Paul Economics 101."
MishuTaste 1 year ago 4
ron paul, u da man.
bearhuntaa 1 year ago
Repeal Title II of the Civil Rights Act!
cagedtigersteve 1 year ago
ron paul 2012. checkout my ron paul playlist.
bigb47 1 year ago
Hey Ron Paul do u remember a guy name Bruno? lol
yezidisbroadcasting 1 year ago
@yezidisbroadcasting I'm thinking he's probably not worth remembering, but I'm sure he knows Sacha Baron Cohen is an incredible douchebag.
b4ihang 1 year ago
The only man in government that speaks for me.
steve0281 1 year ago 8
Ron will assend soon if you look close you can see his light body near his collar. his third chakra is nearly fully charged :-). Whiat a guy.
philos4r 1 year ago 2
Ron your the best----your in the lead in all the polls in my book.
terrygus1 1 year ago 2
Go to YouTube dot com for interviews with Gerald Celente, Bob Chapman, Adrian Salbuchi, Marc Faber, Jim Rogers and Schiff from CT. Some are short. Some are long. All are informative.
marieatthelake 1 year ago
A very feasible option, Mr Paul. Kudos.
Cloudy2Clear 1 year ago
It's may 30th... not may31...
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
@safewaysecurity
Monday's are the "official" release day of the weekly Texas Straight Talk clips from RP.
continuityofliberty 1 year ago
sounds good Congressman
KingRyltar 1 year ago
This is huge if you can get it going.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
don't he ever get sick of being right ?
kixdirtsevin 1 year ago 3
If I was american, I would vote for ron paul just because he isn't bought, even though I think he's completely wrong on most things. From the outside, the american government looks completely corrupt :/.
Munkatten 1 year ago
@Munkatten That's because it is. Most of us know it, it just takes the collective conscious of us americans way too long to agree on something.
Most of us are still arguing over left vs right little games when the obvious problem is the entire foreign and economic policies.
Lukeor 1 year ago 2
@Munkatten Either he is wrong or your wrong... My money is on you.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly
You is the reason want to keep away from videos like these, he's not the messiah, he's a politician.
A politician that isn't bought is worth some admiration, but don't assume he's right on everything.
Munkatten 1 year ago
@Munkatten Nobody claimed he was the messiah. He is merely a bearer of a philosophy of peace and justice that has been hundreds of years in the making. He may not be right about everything... no one is. As I am sure you are not either. My money is on you being wrong much more often. You're not the messiah either, despite what you might think.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly
Point is that you assume that I'm wrong without even knowing the subject.
It's silly, and you claiming that either ron is wrong, or I'm wrong, is worse yet. It's the black and white mentality that seems to be the plague of world. Different solutions to problems come with different consequences. A worldview might be morally wrong, but the consequences of the realization of that worldview might be something you personally disagree with.
Munkatten 1 year ago
@Munkatten Yes, I assume that you are wrong. When you say he is wrong about so much, you are saying that you are right. If you did not "know" right, you would not know if it was wrong. And if you think he is wrong about a lot... then yes, I think you are probably wrong. Like I said he is merely a spokesman for a philosophy based on non-aggression. Why not point out something he is wrong about then?
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly
For example, I think paying for healthcare with taxes is a good idea, I disagree with people having to pay for their own healthcare. This doesn't mean that the absolute right answer is doing what I think is right, because there is none, there's just different solutions.
I disagree with Ron Paul on vaccination of the swine flu, for example, since his solution costs too much. But since he believes in almost no government intervention, it makes sense.
Munkatten 1 year ago
@Munkatten Unfortunately, there are absolutes. If there were not, then it would be an absolute, and therefore there would be absolutes. Contradictions do not exist. There is right and wrong absolutely, and subjectively. Values are subjective, but rationality is not. You set the values, but the ratio's cannot be changed without a change in the values placed. If you value all humans equally then this is contradictory. Not to mention it makes no sense, as it takes market pricing away from consumer.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
It is wrong ethically, economically, and lawfully. I think it is simpler to just say it is wrong. It is not a different solution... it is a big problem.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly
If you value all people equally you wouldn't want some people forced out of their homes because of healthcare bills, set extraordinarily high to make profit to a select few.
I do not present that as an argument, but a change of perspective, we're not dealing with absolutes, but with solutions.
I disagree with some, and I agree with others, but since we wish to push for different goals, all of our solutions could be considered right, or wrong.
Munkatten 1 year ago
@Munkatten The skyrocketing cost of hc is a prime example of government involvement in voluntary exchange. If you look at sectors where there is more gov't involvement, there are always higher prices, and poorer service. HC, Education, Banking, so on so forth. If you look at (elective) medicine, the prices have been falling....ie Eye surgery, plastic surgery. TV's are getting cheaper, pencils, pens, cups... We don't have soaring pencil prices problems.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago 2
@theoriginalanomaly Really?
So you are saying that the private insurance companies were providing affordable health care insurance for seniors before the nasty old government introduced Medicare?
You fucking idiot. Medicare was necessitated because the private insurance industry wouldn't provide affordable h.c. insurance for seniors.
megarational 1 year ago
@Munkatten "If you value all people equally you wouldn't want some people forced out of their homes because of healthcare bills"
So forcing people out of their homes to pay for other people to not be forced out of their home is a consistent idea? How is this a solution, if the problem is people being forced out of their homes?
I doubt we have different goals. Its just your idea does not accomplish the goal... that is why we say it is wrong.
theoriginalanomaly 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly That's how Fox Fiction turds like you distort reality and twist facts.
If you couldn't even afford your mortgage payments, you wouldn't be paying more for someone else's health care. In fact you would probably qualify for h.c. premium subsidies. Result - neither person loses their homes due to h.c. costs - a complete change from the system before h.c. reform.
megarational 1 year ago
@theoriginalanomaly LOL talk about flawed logic..."When you say he is wrong about so much, you are saying that you are right. " I know you can't fly. therefore, I can fly, HAHAHA. otherwise, how wouls i know you can't fly? I know you don't know the solution to 5728418*9233/4637. because I know you don't know it, I must know it. HAHAHAHAAH
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Lightfromsirius 1 year ago
The problem with our healthcare debate is that we argue whether corporations or government should manage our health. But why hasn't anyone asked if patients can manage their own health? Most people never ask the bigger questions.
Ron Paul has got it right.
BloodiCheeseCake 1 year ago
@BloodiCheeseCake Of course people can manage their own health care.
It's paying for it that's the problem if you are at lower income and incur an expensive illness or injury.
Fox Fiction pulled the wool over the eyes of people like you by positioning the health care debate as about "government health care" when in reality the issue was national health care financing versus for profit insurance company financing.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational Most Americans, or people for that matter see the issue as health insurance companies versus government insurance. We must ask bigger questions. Why let third parties pay for healthcare?
If we let self-managing doctors negotiate prices with patients (without govt or insurance companies in the way), health care prices will lower. The US healthcare problem is rising prices and if we eliminate the third party payer system altogether we can eliminate rigid price controls & lower them.
BloodiCheeseCake 1 year ago
@BloodiCheeseCake If doc.s' take less for a patient who has the time to "negotiate", what makes you think they won't gouge the next one who needs med. attention immediately and doesn't have the luxury of or time to negotiate?
Why should doc.'s negotiate at all since there is a shortage of doctors?:
Those are just some of the problems with your "theory". A single payer system is the best to spread costs over the entire nation, have the size & clout to negotiate low prices, & cover everyone. .
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational Well what I mean by negotiate prices is by a patient finding the best doctor for the best prices. And as for shortage of doctors, that's a big reason why the American system is not doing so well. There is a shortage largely because the American Medical Association lobbies for government limits on the supply of doctors. A single-payer system is better than the current US system but it doesn't "cover everyone", there is rationing due to price controls.
BloodiCheeseCake 1 year ago
@BloodiCheeseCake So when Granny falls & breaks her hip she should take the time to shop around for a doctor who will fix it at the lowest price?
If your child collapses with convulsions should you take him/her to a doctor further away because you can get a better price?
Your "model" is so full of holes you should call it the "cheese" model.
megarational 1 year ago
@megarational It's a matter of trade-off, price controls imposed by a single-payer system do not allow the maximum supply (of doctors or whatever) and will result in shortages (ex. waiting lines). Our system experiences a surplus (due to high prices) , to solve this problem price competition must not be stifled by government limiting the supply of doctors and other interferences. Price competition is key to ensuring prices stay low.
BloodiCheeseCake 1 year ago
@BloodiCheeseCake Your system "experiences a surplus" of doctors?
You are dreaming in technicolor. The U.S. also has a shortage of doc.s .
And doc.s are extremely frustrated at the administrative nightmare of dealing with hundreds of separate insur. co's all with their own regulations and plans and reporting requirements. They are sick of having to fight HMO's to get payment, and having to consult the insurance co's as to the "allowed" treatments. Single payer = huge administrative savings.
megarational 1 year ago
@BloodiCheeseCake So you are saying that if patients could negotiate prices with the doctors it would lower their prices?
Well, if the price of a doctor is lowered, doesn't that mean the doctor is getting less money?
And if the doctors are getting less money how is that going to help increase the supply of doctors?
Not to mention all the other loopholes I pointed out in previous comment.
megarational 1 year ago
Isn't price lowering a solution though? Government-imposed price