She actually knows nothing about the Constitution. She doesn't know what's in the First and Fourteenth Amendments? The exact words separation of church and state aren't in the Constitution but they are in MANY U.S. Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment. But she didn't know what the actual text was that was in the First Amendment, she asked her opponent "that's in the Constitution?" I know more constitutional law than she ever will and that's pretty clear on its face.
Why do people like her even bother? What an embarrassment to the already flawed US education system. If we ever get rid of the 1st amendment, people like her will be the smart ones in our country. That should be scary as hell, yet people like her actually have supporters.
haha thats a hillarious attempt to salvage her ignorance! "well she was saying the phase church and state was never mentioned!" clearly she didnt know about the establishment clause, just accept it. and to the above people who say she doesn't want to force her beliefs on others, the very act of teaching intelligent design aka (as the courts have already ruled) creationism in public schools EVERYONE pays for IS imposing your beliefs on others.
@Techno5555 For someone who is criticizing someone for not "citing the establishment clause properly" you should not selectively quote the second amendment and its history. Any iteration of the second amendment contains the militias in the same sentence (and with questionable dependence) with the right to keep and bear arms. The issue didn't even get clarity until recently! Coons' point stands, that we have interpreted these rights over time, making O'Donell's comments horribly inept.
@ejones6286 You said that the 2nd Amendment "only mentions militias", therefore I cited the part in the 2nd Amendment that proves otherwise! Besides, I cited that part CORRECTLY, unlike Coons who did NOT cite the establishment clause correctly, nor did he cite the remainder of the 1st Amendment (for that matter).
Coons conceded O'Donnell's point that the phrase "separation of church and state" is NOT in the 1st Amendment, which makes any further comment of his pretty inept.
if for what ever reason the us government came out and said publicly that it is a christian government im leaving the military and the states and will lose all faith in our country i strongly agree with separation of church and state... religion should never be involved in government end of story
Keep your beliefs, keep your religions, and keep your personal agendas to yourself to convert the world to your way of thinking.
Imposing religious beliefs on others is no different than imposing communism on the populace. I am a Roman Catholic but I don't run around trying to make people think I am a good person just because I have a fish on my car or telling others they are going to hell because they don't think like I do.
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I want to apologize to the general public, but I'd still tap that. I'd probably have to explain how things work in order for her to understand what I'm going to do, well, either that or just slip it in while she was ranting about some constitutional "thingamajig" and how those pesky liberals get in the way of her favorite people, but hey, it's not rape if she doesn't say no.
Let's be frank. The lady is a buffoon. Anyone stating that they are an EXPERT on the US Constitution, and at the same time, HAS NO CLUE WHATSOEVER as to what the 1st Amendment holds, or how it has been consistently interpreted by both Right-leaning and Left-leaning justices is simply an incompetent bozo. It's not a gaffe. It's not a misinterpretation. It's not a difference of opinion. O'Donnell lied when she said she understands our founding document. Period.
Coons used Religion as a test for office in order to evade the question: Her beliefs had NOTHING to do with it. She was pointing out that the federal government has no RIGHT to tell a local school what it may or may not teach - he immediately flipped it to her personal beliefs to dodge the issue.
The Constitution is written to limit GOVERNMENT. The phrase of separating church and state was to the CHURCHES to stop using their pulpits to bully votes.
Here is the reality of the situation. Most people in the United States do not want anyone imposing their ideas about what or what isn't religious influence in the government.
If you want to practice your religion or voodoo that is fine but do not impose your beliefs, your standards or your god damn nut case right wing philosophies on everyone else.
Unlike Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell was running in a State where people are at least somewhat educated and she was Outted and Made.
@IngloriusBastard11 What an odd rant to be posting on this video. Christine never once advocated imposing her beliefs on anyone. In fact, she explicitly stated that she would not! Yet, the left ALWAYS ignores this in favor of using a strawman argument to attack, ridicule, & bitch about her (and other conservatives). It's pretty obvious that when you can't attack her actual positions, you have to slander & misrepresent her positions in order to attack her. Well, go pat yourself on the back...
@andrea082 The problem is that intelligent design is simply religious doctrine (creationism with a twist) and has ZERO scientific basis. The first amendment's establishment clause, originally functioning to merely prevent federal establishment, has since been applied to the states (along w/ most of the rest of the bill of rights). The teaching of intelligent design most definitely does violate the establishment clause. This is a constitutional question, not an imposition of values.
Sure lets ignore evolution and teach creationism in the classroom. I'm sure this will boost our scientific achievement on a global scale because Americans will all ascend to the rank of Wizard (or witch).
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she is going to lose people why are we even arguing about this. she's a fucking IDIOT. probably one of the dumbest candidates in history and we STILL have these morons defending her. its really sad and its not worth the time.
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lol... a seven day intensive and now she is an expert... warning FLAG... SIGN... HELLO PEOPLE... would you feel like you were qualified for a job that only employs 100 people across the nation if your claim is that you have had 7 days of training... oh this gets better every day
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This woman is an embarrassment to intelligent women everywhere in the world. I feel sorry for her and everyone who follows her. God help us. The dumming down of America is in full swing. I guess this is what happens when you don't fund education. You get a nation of morons following morons.
@petecassani I always find it amusing when people who can't spell simple words correctly are busy making fun of other people's intelligence levels. Not to mention, you don't even bother explaining why you feel the person (in this case, O'Donnell) is unintelligent. The dumbing down of America is actually when people watch a cut-&-paste montage video from CNN that was designed as a hit piece, and instantly conclude that they know everything about it and should then start insulting other people...
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@andrea082 it's not that she is unintelligent, its that it is obvious that she is not well read. has not talked extensively with inteligent people who have an indepth knowledge on world events, and that she doesn't think her way through her positions... it is so brutally obvious...
@MrMvt333 It's so "obvious" that you failed to give even one example to support your argument. She is very well versed in her positions. I'm guessing you did not see the 90-minute debate she had with the easily flustered and condescending Coons? She is much better versed in the Constitution than Coons is, as evidenced by his inability to name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment...
@buttuglymoose CNN's hit pieces on conservative candidates are just done as a way to manipulate impressionable people. Usually those people already have knee-jerk reactions about conservative candidates. Their treatment is never fair, but CNN doesn't care, and their viewers don't either. Secularists generally feel that they are morally superior to conservatives and they look down on them like they're scum. Many of them are arrogant, bigoted, hypocritical, and lack the will to love & understand.
@tgear77 (cont) You make yet another false claim that I did not look into the "claims made against" Coons. I did, and I read everything way before you ever bothered to. I haven't even seen O'Donnell's TV ads, except for the "witch" one. Being able to say that Coons' instinct is to tax is evidenced by his actions, not some TV ad that I never saw. All you can do is tell people to shut up, ridicule them, call them names, and slander them. Big deal! A 5-year old can do that too.
@andrea082 Why to hide your comments to me so that I can't respond. The true mark of a coward. The way you claim that it is Coons' "instinct" to tax shows your bias. If you had researched the matter, you would have seen that the only way for those budgets to work were for taxes to be increased. And Coons merely offered it to the city council. They were the ones who enacted the tax increases. Don't act so high and mighty when you are lacking the facts to back your claim.
@tgear77 (cont) You also falsely claim that O'Donnell did not answer her question. Wrong! She did answer her questions. She asked for clarification on 14 & 16 purely so that she could answer the question honestly. She was not in favor of repealing any of the Amendments. The moderator's agenda was to use the most fringe elements of the Tea Party as the basis for his question to her. The moderator NEVER asked Coons a Constitutional question first. That's why she felt compelled to do so herself.
@andrea082 This is a woman who repeatedly throughout her campaign passed herself off as a Constitutional expert, repeatedly brought up her faux-credentials (and even posted them online). Yet she can't remember two of the 3 Amendments she is asked about. She did not answer the question. If one of my kids were asked that question on a test and told the teacher that he couldn't remember exactly what the 14th & 16th were, he would fail the test. Don't blame the moderator for her shortcomings.
@tgear77 (cont) You refuse to see it. Coons was literally in the middle of TRYING to answer the question about the 5 freedoms listed in the 1st Amendment. It would have taken him 5 SECONDS to do! He stopped himself! Why?? Because he didn't know them! If he knew them, he would have wanted to shut her up! He despises her just like you do. You're a hypocrite for criticizing O'Donnell and giving Coons a free pass, when he couldn't even recite one of the most fundamental parts of the Constitution.
@andrea082 All I have to go on is what is onscreen. O'Donnell admits she doesn't know two basic Amendments, even though she's a "Constitutional scholar". Coons starts to answer a question and then realizes that it has nothing to do with what the moderator asked and that O'Donnell is starting to go all Palin in the middle of the debate. Maybe he didn't want to stumble through an answer or, more likely, he remembered his prep and forced the debate back on track.
@tgear77 What are you ranting about? No one is preventing you from seeing my comments. Now back to the subject... She doesn't have a "passing knowledge" of the Constitution, she has a very good knowledge. But if you don't remember corresponding numbers with perfection, you ask for clarification, which she did! The ONLY reason you or anyone else is making this into an issue is because your goal is to ridicule, attack, and marginalize conservative candidates. That's literally the extent of it!
@andrea082 You are the one hiding your comments by just tossing them out anywhere. Someone willing to debate hits the Reply box. A "Constitutional Scholar" would know what the 14th Amendment is at least and should know the rest as well. A Const. Scholar would know about the Separation of Church and State and not play the semantics game. But O'Donnell is not a Constitutional Scholar; just a habitual liar.
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Yes, I can see it now! Tea Party wins, they do away with the 1st amendment, they create a nationalized religion which everyone has to follow and then what? Could this be the False Prophet, The Antichrist?
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Hahaha what do you have invested in her anyways? I've seen enough her clips to evaluate for myself that if nothing else, her arrangements more biased than CNN.
And yes, secularism is the way that America should be heading, at least then we could get somewhere without blathering radicalism slowing our progress.
@rj47l I misunderstood nothing. Your reasons for coming here and commenting couldn't be more obvious. Ridiculing conservative candidates is a bigoted pastime for you. Your actions speak to the kind of person you really are- a disingenuous, ignorant bigot. You said you have no interest in arguing with me any longer, yet here you are... still trying to utter useless nothings in my direction.
@tgear77 (cont) But you don't care about Coons when he lies or doesn't know something. Why? Because you clearly despise conservatives who run for office. You seek to ridicule & attack them, regardless of the double standards you create by doing so. You have no real standards. All the information you just posted is old news to me, by the way, and doesn't change his policies or his political tendencies. His instinct is to tax more when times get tough. You may like that, but many do not.
@tgear77 (cont) I'm not the one trying to have it both ways, that would be you! I understand why someone would forget the numerical order of 27 amendments. She knew #17 by heart, but asked for clarification on which ones 14 and 16 were. And she knew the 1st Amendment, which was foundational to their discussion, yet Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms listed in the 1st Amendment, which would have taken him 5 seconds to do! So he resorted to shucking the question. He has no shame or humility.
@tgear77 Christine never explicitly claimed to be a "Constitutional expert"...she claimed to have done a deep analysis of it in order to understand the intentions behind the content of everything written. But she never claimed to have memorized the order of every word within it. It's kind of like having to remember the order of 27 different crayon colors. You may not remember the exact order they went in, but you still know everything about each color, when you see it or are reminded of it.
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@andrea082 You might do me the courtesy of actually replying to one of my posts instead of just tossing this out there. But I suppose it was just your cowardly way of keeping me from seeing it. So, someone who goes on and on about how well-versed she is on the Constitution with her "deep analysis" and about how every thing that crosses her desk will be judged based upon the Constitutionality of it, such a person should just have a passing knowledge of the Constitution? This is not working....
@tgear77 (cont) crayons here. This is not a coloring book contest. As for trying to have it both ways, yes you are doing that. There is nothing in the video that shows that Coons could not have rattled off the First Amendment freedoms: you are extrapolating that from his request to get the debate back on track. Yet when O'Donnell actually says she can't remember what the 14th and 16th Amendments are, you make up all sorts of excuses for her claiming that she did know what they are. Sorry, but...
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@tgear77 (cont) it doesn't work like that. So stop acting like a hypocrite. At best, you can say that Coons avoided her question, but that is not evidence of not knowing something. But O'Donnell actually could not answer the question put to her. End of story. As for Coons, I am not supporting him. If it weren't for the utter lunacy of an O'Donnell candidacy, I would hardly know of him. But, unlike you, I actually looked into the claims made against him and found out the truth. All you do...
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@tgear77 (cont) is parrot the O'Donnell ad claims. The fact that claim that his "instinct is to tax" shows how easily led by the nose you are. The multiple defenses of O'Donnell's ignorance shows that you could care less about the facts. You are probably one of those Tea Party idiots who think Glenn Beck tells the truth and Sarah Palin could be a good president. Come back to the argument when you have grown up. Until then, STFU.
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@tgear77 thank God someone in here thinks for themselves instead of blindly following whichever candidate is going to lower taxes no matter what the fiscal reality is.
@rj47l It doesn't matter if he said he couldn't because he demonstrated that he couldn't when he was prompted to do so. O'Donnell never said the idea of "separation of church and state" doesn't exist, only that it isn't written in the Constitution anywhere. Her other point is that this phrase is often abused by secularists who argue that religion not be allowed anywhere in the public arena. She is correct on both points.
Are you only here to attack and ridicule people like an ignorant bigot??
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@andrea082 Christine O'Donnell is a dumb ignorant bitch who uses a fairy tale book to dictate her life and her decision-making capability. She enjoys witchcraft, Jesus, and being stupid. She hates masturbation, knowledge, and rationality. It is embarrassing that she is even a candidate. Anyone who supports her is fucking retarded and should immediately reevaluate their lives.... and also read a book or two.
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@andrea082 Andrea, you misunderstand me! I intend to help you, not attack you. It genuinely saddens me that people are so obscenely moronic as to vote for this outrageously dumb person. So you see, my motivations are nothing less than Christlike--something I'm sure you can understand.
@rj47l The fact remains, if Coons knows so much about the Constitution, then he should've taken five seconds to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment after he was asked to list them. He could not. But since you can't get around that, you have to resort to assuming that he must certainly be an expert in the Constitution simply because of where he went to school. Your logic is so simple-minded, it's pathetic. Coons lied about how cap & trade would benefit his family business. Chew on that.
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@andrea082 its not simple minded, its simple. you couldnt GET IN to yale law school without knowing the first amendment let alone graduate from there. he didn't answer her question because it wasn't the part of the amendment they were talking about. he recited, verbatim, the first part of the amendment anyways i'll take a guess he could have remembered the rest. and anyways we're not discussing cap and trade. he fucking clerked for a federal appeals justice for christ's sake. this is just silly.
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@andrea082 he didn't say he couldn't. thats so stupid o'donnell knows nothing about constitutional jurisprudence if she thinks the separation of church and state doesn't exist. thats what this is about stop bringing up all this other bullshit. oh, and stop it with the "chew on that" bullshit. its just plain obnoxious.
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@rj47l but i suppose o'donnell's week long summer camp makes her more qualified. she can read! arguing with you is like arguing with a kitchen table. i have no interest in doing it any longer.
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@andrea082 The fact remains that if O'Donnell is the Constitutional expert that she claims to be, she would have known what the 14th and 16th Amendment were and not needed any prompting. You are a hypocrite for trying to have it both ways.
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Coons and O'Donnell both really screwed up. If I were them, I'd be embarrassed to hell, because a to-be-senator should damn well know at least the first 20 amendments.
As for education, Coons is a lot more educated.. (Yale Law- the most prestigious law school in the nation) Embarrassing.
O'Donnell lied about her education and brags about being an expert on the Constitution for attending the "Claremont Institute". Since when did summer camp make you an expert on the Constitution? Lol
@rj47l If Coons knows so much about the Constitution, then he should've taken 5 seconds to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment after he was asked to list them, which would've demonstrated that he knew them, but he could not. And he did not even start his answer with a freedom. What Coons DOES know, is how to raise taxes, lie, shuck questions, and manipulate naive people like you into voting for him simply because his family was weathy enough to send him into law school. How pathetic.
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@andrea082 yeah you dont have to be intelligent to graduate from yale law school. (?) you definitely dont have to know anything about the law like odonnell obviously does with here ample experience: her credentials consist of being the token wacky conservative on late night talk shows and a religious fanatic who lied about her education. please stop being such so dumb. not all conservatives are crazy, but if karl rove thinks your you are that is probably a sign.
@cyberprunes Why are you going off about religion being forced into Government? Are you really that afraid of courts allowing the forcing of religion upon you? What are you really so upset about anyway?? The term "separation of church and state" has been abused by secularists as an excuse to throw out ANY religious dialog in the public arena, while the Constitution merely states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
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why are we arguing with these idiots who obviously know nothing about the constitution? only an idiot could be blind to the severe idiocy of this O'Donnell character. we should be spending our time on promoting rational candidates and letting dumbasses like this one speak for themselves.
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Conclusion from the debate running in the comments: They are both horrible candidates and neither should be allowed to make it higher than they already are. But that's not the way the system works, so we have to pick someone. Silly politics.
@buttuglymoose There's nothing more embarrassing than seeing how easily people like you are manipulated by CNN's out-of-context hit pieces on conservative candidates. But perhaps you eat it up simply because you're an ignorant bigot who likes being fed a bunch of BS.
@Luketheking1 You haven't explained what makes her "dumb", so it just looks like you came here to make fun of her, like the bigot that you are. I love how you said "everyone"... it's a great demonstration of how you distort the truth & reality. I also find it amusing that someone, like yourself, who has continued to misspell common words like "candidate" (you kept spelling it "canidate"), and misspelling Coons as "Coon", etc., would have the audacity to insult someone else's intelligence, LOL!
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@andrea082 She is dumb, and you are spending to much time defending her. She doesn't deserve any form of defense because shes beyond moronic. If you are running for senator you should know the constitution like the back of your hand. Plus she had the audacity to pay money to announce that she wasnt a witch. Obviously she not a witch, people were just making fun of the fact that she said she use to dabble in witchcraft. Shes a fool and the people that vote for her are just as dumb
@lilmisssme said: "If you are running for senator you should know the constitution like the back of your hand."
Yet Coons failed to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment, and where are you crying about it? You aren't calling him "dumb" or "moronic". Why? Because you are a hypocrite! And it's interesting that you criticize me for defending the truth, which is easy and admirable, but you don't criticize yourself for going out of your way to slander and attack other people.
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yeah thats really unfair to point out that she doesn't know what the 14th amendment is. she's an idiot you dont have to be unfair the make that abundantly clear.
@rj47l If she's an idiot for asking for clarification on which amendment subject #14 is, then Coons is CLEARLY an idiot for not knowing the five freedoms listed in the First Amendment. Go chew on that. And while you're at it, just remember how foolish you look calling someone an idiot while simultaneously making a number of grammatical errors in the process...
@andrea082 well im not running for senate now am i? and also what the fuck are you talking about? chris coons graduated from YALE LAW SCHOOL do you honestly think he doesnt know what the 14th amendment says?. why this o'donnell dumbfuck would ever try to act like she knows more about constutional law than him is completely beyond me.
@Luketheking1 It *is* a question, because I was not certain of your position, and that was the whole purpose of me placing the question marks there. The only reason that I phrased the question the way that I did was to elicit a broader, more elaborative response from you, and to show that people COULD assume your position(s) if you don't actually state them yourself.
So tell me, What motivated you to watch this YT video?
@taimourC word to the wise... it's never too late to become educated on things you don't know. Coons did not know the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment. If he knew them, then he would have recited them after being asked to. And his rant about the moderator being the only one allowed to ask him questions is bogus, because the moderator was allowing O'Donnell to ask him questions and allowing him time to answer her question, but he couldn't answer and didn't want to embarrass himself. --sigh
@andrea082 Asking that they get back to the agreed upon format of the debate by allowing the moderators to be the ones who ask the questions is hardly a 'rant'. You either don't know the meaning of the word or are so warped in your support for O'Donnell that you can't recognize reality anymore. I personally don't think Coons is capable of a rant; he's a little too timid for my tastes. If he could work up to one, he should have been all over O'Donnell for her utter stupidity.
@tgear77 Your defense of Coons is laughable. He gets flustered so easily, that he resorted to telling the moderator at one of his debates, "If you can reconcile all those comments, you're an even more talented reporter than I think you are, Nancy." And this came after Nancy had actively helped him all debate long. He's not only an idiot when it comes to the 1st amendment, he was a privileged child of wealth, a proven liar, & he raised property taxes on middle class families by 58% in 3 years.
@andrea082 I'll Agree, he got flustered. So he is not the most confident public speaker. He might be a total washout as a Senator once elected. I don't know. But what I do know is that he far outstrips O'Donnell in knowing what the Constitution says and stands for. For you to honestly believe that a Yale Law graduate, Supreme Court clerk and attorney at law would not know the first Amendment rights is laughable. But then again, you believe that dimwit O'Donnell actually made sense when...
@tgear77 (cont) talking about the Separation of Church and State. And if we are going to talk about liars, then we should start with O'Donnell and the mountain of lies she has told so far. As well as the theft of campaign funds, the false lawsuit she filed, the IRS trouble, the refusal to pay for her college education, etc. What exactly about this idiot screams out to you "Potential Senator"?
@andrea082 Also, since I just checked the facts, Coons raised property taxes by 54% over a period of 3 years (which resulted in property taxes going from an average 0f $360 to an average of $502. He also had to put forth decreasing county budgets in the last 2 of those years. This was due to the harsh effects of the recession and the fact that his predecessor had depleted the county reserves. He did this to keep services such as the police and fire departments, libraries, parks, etc. operating..
@tgear77 (cont) Also, he did not do these things alone. He put for budget proposals that the Councilmen voted into effect. Also, each of his requests to increase property taxes were approved by a majority vote. Perhaps if you chose to seek out the facts instead of just believing everything that drips out of O'Donnells mouth, you might learn something.
@Luketheking1 First of all, learn to comprehend the difference between assumptions and questions. Questions are seen with question marks at the end. I specifically asked you a question so that you could tell me your answer and I wouldn't have to assume anything. So no, I did not assume you supported those things, which is why I asked if you did. I am not clear on anything you support because you aren't revealing your beliefs, just attacking others'..
@andrea082 Let me quote what you said at the end of your comment "I guess you support that though??", that is not a question just because it has question marks at the end. Your whole comment is written as if I support what you mentioned, maybe you should take a writing class and learn how to convey your thoughts better.
@tgear77 I watched the whole debate that CNN spliced up here & presented out of context. In it, O'Donnell recited the 17th amendment without any help. It's interesting that you accuse me of reading her mind, when you, & all her other critics, are the ones guilty of that! And then when O'Donnell literally explains the intentions for her questions & comments, you don't listen! You want it both ways! But when Coons can't recite the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment, that's ok?? Hypocrites!
@Luketheking1 So, you think it's wrong to continue stimulus spending, but it'd be okay if Coons voted to spend more money on entitlement programs and raised taxes? In just 3 years, as County Executive, Chris Coons ran up the New Castle County property taxes by 58%, hurting middle class families, even as the unemployment of that county is 30% higher than the national average. I guess you support that though??
@andrea082 no you just assume I support all those things because I did not say I didn't. Both canidates are horrible and are just cookie-cutter like every other canidate that has run in the past 50 years. Every politician says the same thing they both want to lower taxes, they just want to go about doing it in a different way.
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@andrea082 I gave you the only reason, other than that and his stimulas views I'm ok with him and his polices. He wants to continue the stimulas spending which is a waste of money and does not work.
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Its not so much what you believe in, but how you go about doing it. You said you want a stronger national defense, and you want lower taxes? You do know that most of our tax paying dollars go to national defense so how do you get a stronger national defense without raising taxes and cutting benifits. All you did was list a bunch of things every party and group says. And I am also not a liberal I just look at both sides of the issues instead of just one.
@Luketheking1 You've only attacked one party in the comments section for this video so far. Where's your attack on Coons or the party that he represents? I dare you to attack him for one of the policies he supports that you don't agree with or don't like. If you aren't a liberal, this shouldn't be too hard for you ;)
@Luketheking1 First of all, national defense is NOT where most of our tax dollars go. Secondly, a strong national defense is not all about money, it's about foreign policy and leadership too. Thirdly, you don't have to raise taxes to pay for something, you can also (gasp from the left) CUT FUNDING from WASTEFUL and/or USELESS social programs and reduce pork barrel projects!
Judging from your previous comments, you only seem to be coming from ONE side of the issues. Nice defense, lol.
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@Techno5555 The Department of Defense has recieved the most money in past years only being beaten this year by Obamacare spending which gives Medicare the 1% surge over the Department of Defense this year. And the DoD is all about money, money for troops, projects, ect... thats why they get such a big cut in the first place (715 billion this year). If you want to cut waste (gasp from the right) let the Bush tax cuts expire for the 2% of the population.
@Luketheking1 If you don't have leaders engaged in smart national security and defense policy, and instead have a leader like Obama who undermines terrorism, favors disarmament, goes on a global apology tour, and bows to other leaders, then I fail to see how that makes our country LESS vulnerable to attack. I take it you're still in favor of higher taxes, more spending, more bailouts, more entitlement programs, more debt, and more government regulations, right? Chris Coons is your man!
@Techno5555 no I do not support Obama or Coon or O'Donnell, I never said i did I said I like Coon more, the lesser of two evils. All i said was that I thought she was a dipshit and she is, she has no sense of what to say and still acts like that little girl we all saw on MTV years ago. I'm not going to debate with only 500 characters every single problem our country has or point out why it won't matter if you vote for either of them because they both will not fix any of our country's problems.
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No the joke is on whoever votes for anyone who runs on the tea party platform. She believes in Creationism, which turns a blind eye to science and puts too much emphasis on her Christian beliefs. The tea party is a bunch of right wing extremist Christans.
@Luketheking1 I doubt you even know what the tea party platform is. Let me guess...you want higher taxes, more government spending, more bailouts, more taxpayer-funded entitlement programs, more government regulations, more debt, cap and tax, a weaker national defense, etc? If so, vote for Chris Coons, Harry Reid, Dick Blumenthal, Patty Murray, Barbara Boxer or whoever your liberal candidate for US Senate is.
@Luketheking1 Many of those tea party people you despise so much are going to be in Congress next year, so the joke is on you. Have fun with your life... if you remember how to do that...
@Luketheking1 Amen Luther, Radical Christianity has disguised itself as irrational tea party baggery. If my kids are ever forced to learn only about creationism, I will home-school them and make sure they learn secular, scientific, and factual knowledge. (hmmm it would be interesting to know the average g.p.a of a tea bagger, because you have to be STUPID beyond a reasonable doubt to support numbskulls like her and palin)
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So Christine O'Donnell ...Sarah Palin...do we see a pattern here? If this is the best the Republicans have to offer they are in big trouble. Actually this lady makes Sarah Palin seem almost competent.
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Techno, we don't need CNN to show us that Christine O'Donnell is a crazy idiot. Every time she opens her mouth, she tells us. People are free to vote for her or whomever they wish, but really Delaware, are you kidding? Let's all just hope the rest of your state comes to their collective sense and keeps her out of the US Senate. If you want her, fine, elect her to a state office and please keep her out of federal matters.
@Peekr Right, because Delawareans really know how to chose bright Senators like Joe "the Gaffe-machine" Biden, don't they? I mean they kept him in the Senate for 36 years. 36 years!! lol
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This is so sad a pathetic, why has there been such a war against intelligence as of late? What a shame that a person like this is in the position to represent a portion of the American Public...
@93hondaLX The joke's on you, because you actually believe that this was an honest report of what Christine O'Donnell did during the debate. She was challenging Coons' knowledge of the 1st amendment, knowing full well what it says. She knew that the phrase "separation of church & state" was not actually in the Constitution anywhere, but was testing Coons to see if he would slip up & say that it was. The liberal media LOVES to take her statements out of context & deceive naive people like you.
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@andrea082 OMG andrea, OMG that is the most delusional statement i have ever read. The woman literally said she has not memorized the constitution after claiming to have done a deep analysis of the constitution. Even if you don't memorize the constitution, basic retention (unless you're an idiot) would allow you to know which constitutional amendment is which. Denial of her stupidity does not stop her from being stupid. She shows a new low for tea baggers
@taimourC Which do you think is worse? Being asked a question about the 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments all at once (and wanting to be briefly reminded of 2 of them), or a Yale Law graduate not being able to cite ANY of the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment?...because Coons couldn't name ONE when prompted by O'Donnell.
I noticed the panel never directed an Amendment question to Coons, so O'Donnell took matters into her own hands.
@Techno5555 Bend over a little more to make apologies for her. Perhaps you are referring to some other clip, but I didn't see Coons being unable to name one of the Freedoms. As for O'Donnell, as Cooper points out, O'Donnell has gone overboard claiming to be an expert on the Constitution and yet seems to be unable to recall anything about it. Perhaps the panel should have asked Coons different questions, but this is about the ones asked of O'Donnell and she failed miserably.
@tgear77 Unlike you (or Anderson Cooper), I actually saw the entire debate that was referenced in this hit piece on O'Donnell. O'Donnell asked Coons if he could name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment, and all he could say was "government shall make no establishment of religion". He's an IDIOT, and the left-wing media is working overtime to help campaign for Chris Coons, and this piece of journalstic malpractice from CNN is a great example of that.
@Techno5555 Actually, that is not what happened. O'Donnell, trying to change the focus from her being shown up about the Separation of Church and State in the First Amendment, asked him to name the freedoms established in the First Amendment and Coons shut her down by saying that the moderators were the ones who were supposed to be asking the questions. Huge difference between him not knowing the First Amendment. I'll take the Yale Law grad over the dimwit lying witch every time.
@tgear77 Uh...no. (1) She wasn't "shown up" about the 1st Amendment at all. (2) After O'Donnell asked Coons if he could name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment (which he couldn't), he began his answer with his go-to clause in the 1st Amendment (which did NOT list a freedom!), and then he (3) ran to the moderators for help like the spoiled brat that he is. (4) Why is it that liberals can't win any debates without the help of the media and the moderators?
@Techno5555 Yes, she was shown up in her stupidity surrounding the Constitution. Coons did not run to the moderators, but clearly tried to keep O'Donnell from pulling a Palin and ignoring the rules of the debate. Why is it your candidates can't follow simple rules and try to win a debate based on the facts? Coons knows the Constitution and O'Donnell just likes to say that she does.
@tgear77 Rules of the debate? LOL, the moderators didn't care if they cross-talked in that debate. They did it several times. What are you whining about anyway? Your precious Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms in the First Amendment and apparently you think he's a genius for crying out for help from the moderators. How pathetic.
@Techno5555 But, as anyone who has ever watched a proper debate knows, the questions are to come from the moderators. O'Donnell, running scared, tries to put Coons on the spot by asking questions rather than answering those given to her, a cheap tactic employed by Palin in the V-P debate. Coons, who gives no hint that he can not name the 5 Freedoms, wisely turns things back to the way they should be. The only pathetic thing in the video is the idiot O'Donnell who thinks she is scoring points.
@tgear77 Proper debate?? LOL, you sure are grasping at straws! If anyone in all of their debates was running scared and refused to answer questions and talked over their opponent, it was the arrogant and condescending Chris Coons, and you think he was "wise" for running scared when he could have easily proved that he knew the answer to her question?? He didn't score ANY points as far as I'm concerned. He looks like a dumbass who can dish it out, but can't take it (just like you).
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@Techno5555 That's because that quote he keeps repeating was specifically placed in the constitution to separate church and state! Its called the establishment clause. Did you watch the video? The intent if the authors of the bill of rights to separate the two is clear which is why our supreme court has ruled repeatedly to prevent the government from promoting religion as Coons stated.
@Leones44 (1) Coons didn't even cite the establishment clause properly. (2) The clause means what it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". (3) The phrase was not put in the constitution to separate church and state (as leftist judges "interpret"), it was put in to prohibit the establishment of a state religion (e.g. the Church of England). (4) Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment when prompted by O'Donnell, but CNN doesn't care.
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@Techno5555 I would hardly call the supreme court a bunch of "leftist judges". The court has ruled this way for well over a hundred years in a number of cases. "the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States". Thats a quote from the FATHER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, James Madison. A O'Donnells campaing is all about her claim of being a constitutional expert. Did you watch the vid?
@Leones44 I didn't call the supreme court a bunch of "leftist judges", but let's get back to the point. Her question to Coons had nothing to do with what Madison wrote in a letter, it had everything to do with what's actually written IN THE CONSTITUTION! Why is this so hard for leftists to understand? Whether you agree with O'Donnell or not, her argument regarding the 1st Amendment isn't going away, even if she does. Why are you acting as if your secularism is hanging in the balance of her race?
@Techno5555 "Why are you acting as if your secularism is hanging in the balance of her race". Lol, I'm not worried about my "secularism hanging in the balanace", especially not bc of Christine O'Donnell. I was addressing the issues of the intent of the establishment clause.
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@Techno5555 Its amazing how religion can make even the smartest person think and behave irrationally. The James Madison quote that you seemingly dismissed speaks volumes to the intent of the establishment clasue. If you're debating the intent of (meaning behind) a historical document what better way to determine its intent by examining the writings of its author?! That's how historical research is done and that's why historical scholars and lawyers understand the intent of that clause today...
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@Techno5555 ...Unless you don't want the state and your personal religion to be separate. In that case you use any sort of reasoning necessary to reach your desired result namely Christian prayers in school, state sponsored religious initiatives etc. You use that reasoning even if it is unsound bc the ends justify the means and after all we can "save" more people if we only had God in schools, or the military etc. Who cares about a quote, if you can harp on the fact that the exact phrase...
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@Techno5555 ... "separation of church and state" is not there then it leaves just enough wiggle room to convice people that there is no constituional basis for such an idea, unless someone provided enough evidence that intent of the establishment clause was to separate the two. And when that happens you simply turn a blind eye, duck you head in the sand, and pretend or claim this evidence is insignificant. Again, to people who've actually studied the constituion, bill or rights, and the...
@Techno5555 And why does someone keep hiding all my post?!?! Somebody doesn't want people visiting this page to see the counter arguments to all this religious conservative nonsense!
@Leones44 What a delusional rant! Nothing I stated was false, yet your response is full of strawman arguments and non sequiturs! Is it common for you to have debates with yourself? If so, I would suggest seeing a doctor or perhaps it's time to take your medication. I asked you at least one question, but instead of answering, you stonewalled like Chris Coons. You seem more concerned that your posts are seen by everyone instead of making any direct counter arguments.
She actually knows nothing about the Constitution. She doesn't know what's in the First and Fourteenth Amendments? The exact words separation of church and state aren't in the Constitution but they are in MANY U.S. Supreme Court decisions interpreting the First Amendment. But she didn't know what the actual text was that was in the First Amendment, she asked her opponent "that's in the Constitution?" I know more constitutional law than she ever will and that's pretty clear on its face.
jokr8790 2 months ago
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ron paul is the real constitutionalist.
beamith 4 months ago
@michealati2 need you say more? no you need not.
harvardlaw14 4 months ago
O'Donnell was trying to state "SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE" is not actually in the first Admendment!
Talk about idiots.
Later Jefferson clarified a 'WALL of Separation of Church and State'
meaning One Religion can not influence law or Govern our Country or State.
Sad people just do not get it- It is Separation, NOT REMOVAL OF RELIGION
313vas 4 months ago
She grinned at the crowd as if they were laughing with her. "Tee hee, I so smart.".
TheEnviousdominous 6 months ago
What a dumb bitch.
natesniper 6 months ago
Well, at least this stupid woman has enough sense to just go away. So for that I thank her.
nosajj12345 8 months ago 3
She's an IDIOT
Hear2Win 11 months ago 15
Why do people like her even bother? What an embarrassment to the already flawed US education system. If we ever get rid of the 1st amendment, people like her will be the smart ones in our country. That should be scary as hell, yet people like her actually have supporters.
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The only thing I know about Hitler is he killed 6,000,000 Jews that never existed in gas chambers nobody ever saw.
390bullitt1968 1 year ago
idiot teabagger....
RPoshekGladbach 1 year ago
haha thats a hillarious attempt to salvage her ignorance! "well she was saying the phase church and state was never mentioned!" clearly she didnt know about the establishment clause, just accept it. and to the above people who say she doesn't want to force her beliefs on others, the very act of teaching intelligent design aka (as the courts have already ruled) creationism in public schools EVERYONE pays for IS imposing your beliefs on others.
thrashitupX 1 year ago
wow this woman is clearly not fit to run a daycare program
gregevanski 1 year ago
she didnt have the facts
tswizzle53 1 year ago
@Techno5555 For someone who is criticizing someone for not "citing the establishment clause properly" you should not selectively quote the second amendment and its history. Any iteration of the second amendment contains the militias in the same sentence (and with questionable dependence) with the right to keep and bear arms. The issue didn't even get clarity until recently! Coons' point stands, that we have interpreted these rights over time, making O'Donell's comments horribly inept.
ejones6286 1 year ago
@ejones6286 You said that the 2nd Amendment "only mentions militias", therefore I cited the part in the 2nd Amendment that proves otherwise! Besides, I cited that part CORRECTLY, unlike Coons who did NOT cite the establishment clause correctly, nor did he cite the remainder of the 1st Amendment (for that matter).
Coons conceded O'Donnell's point that the phrase "separation of church and state" is NOT in the 1st Amendment, which makes any further comment of his pretty inept.
Techno5555 1 year ago 2
if for what ever reason the us government came out and said publicly that it is a christian government im leaving the military and the states and will lose all faith in our country i strongly agree with separation of church and state... religion should never be involved in government end of story
jdbasq 1 year ago
Keep your beliefs, keep your religions, and keep your personal agendas to yourself to convert the world to your way of thinking.
Imposing religious beliefs on others is no different than imposing communism on the populace. I am a Roman Catholic but I don't run around trying to make people think I am a good person just because I have a fish on my car or telling others they are going to hell because they don't think like I do.
IngloriusBastard11 1 year ago
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I want to apologize to the general public, but I'd still tap that. I'd probably have to explain how things work in order for her to understand what I'm going to do, well, either that or just slip it in while she was ranting about some constitutional "thingamajig" and how those pesky liberals get in the way of her favorite people, but hey, it's not rape if she doesn't say no.
futeki16 1 year ago
KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.
Let's be frank. The lady is a buffoon. Anyone stating that they are an EXPERT on the US Constitution, and at the same time, HAS NO CLUE WHATSOEVER as to what the 1st Amendment holds, or how it has been consistently interpreted by both Right-leaning and Left-leaning justices is simply an incompetent bozo. It's not a gaffe. It's not a misinterpretation. It's not a difference of opinion. O'Donnell lied when she said she understands our founding document. Period.
medartist01 1 year ago
Coons used Religion as a test for office in order to evade the question: Her beliefs had NOTHING to do with it. She was pointing out that the federal government has no RIGHT to tell a local school what it may or may not teach - he immediately flipped it to her personal beliefs to dodge the issue.
The Constitution is written to limit GOVERNMENT. The phrase of separating church and state was to the CHURCHES to stop using their pulpits to bully votes.
MagnaBipolar 1 year ago 3
Here is the reality of the situation. Most people in the United States do not want anyone imposing their ideas about what or what isn't religious influence in the government.
If you want to practice your religion or voodoo that is fine but do not impose your beliefs, your standards or your god damn nut case right wing philosophies on everyone else.
Unlike Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell was running in a State where people are at least somewhat educated and she was Outted and Made.
IngloriusBastard11 1 year ago
@IngloriusBastard11 What an odd rant to be posting on this video. Christine never once advocated imposing her beliefs on anyone. In fact, she explicitly stated that she would not! Yet, the left ALWAYS ignores this in favor of using a strawman argument to attack, ridicule, & bitch about her (and other conservatives). It's pretty obvious that when you can't attack her actual positions, you have to slander & misrepresent her positions in order to attack her. Well, go pat yourself on the back...
andrea082 1 year ago 5
@andrea082 The problem is that intelligent design is simply religious doctrine (creationism with a twist) and has ZERO scientific basis. The first amendment's establishment clause, originally functioning to merely prevent federal establishment, has since been applied to the states (along w/ most of the rest of the bill of rights). The teaching of intelligent design most definitely does violate the establishment clause. This is a constitutional question, not an imposition of values.
Zinthar 1 year ago
@andrea082 what position does she stand for.. stupid conservatism....ARE YOu freaking deaf .. for the whole video? even with evidence
RayRai8262 1 year ago
Sure lets ignore evolution and teach creationism in the classroom. I'm sure this will boost our scientific achievement on a global scale because Americans will all ascend to the rank of Wizard (or witch).
DocUnsane 1 year ago
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hahahaha she's done!
rj47l 1 year ago
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I have one word to describe Christine O'Donnell: DUMB
vford43 1 year ago
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she is going to lose people why are we even arguing about this. she's a fucking IDIOT. probably one of the dumbest candidates in history and we STILL have these morons defending her. its really sad and its not worth the time.
rj47l 1 year ago
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lol... a seven day intensive and now she is an expert... warning FLAG... SIGN... HELLO PEOPLE... would you feel like you were qualified for a job that only employs 100 people across the nation if your claim is that you have had 7 days of training... oh this gets better every day
MrMvt333 1 year ago
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christine o'donnell is a national disgrace. i hope al'qaeda doesn't see this dolt.
rj47l 1 year ago
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This woman is an embarrassment to intelligent women everywhere in the world. I feel sorry for her and everyone who follows her. God help us. The dumming down of America is in full swing. I guess this is what happens when you don't fund education. You get a nation of morons following morons.
petecassani 1 year ago
@petecassani I always find it amusing when people who can't spell simple words correctly are busy making fun of other people's intelligence levels. Not to mention, you don't even bother explaining why you feel the person (in this case, O'Donnell) is unintelligent. The dumbing down of America is actually when people watch a cut-&-paste montage video from CNN that was designed as a hit piece, and instantly conclude that they know everything about it and should then start insulting other people...
andrea082 1 year ago 10
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@andrea082 it's not that she is unintelligent, its that it is obvious that she is not well read. has not talked extensively with inteligent people who have an indepth knowledge on world events, and that she doesn't think her way through her positions... it is so brutally obvious...
MrMvt333 1 year ago
@MrMvt333 It's so "obvious" that you failed to give even one example to support your argument. She is very well versed in her positions. I'm guessing you did not see the 90-minute debate she had with the easily flustered and condescending Coons? She is much better versed in the Constitution than Coons is, as evidenced by his inability to name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment...
andrea082 1 year ago 4
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i hope christine o'donnell gets run over by a bus
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rj47l 1 year ago
@buttuglymoose CNN's hit pieces on conservative candidates are just done as a way to manipulate impressionable people. Usually those people already have knee-jerk reactions about conservative candidates. Their treatment is never fair, but CNN doesn't care, and their viewers don't either. Secularists generally feel that they are morally superior to conservatives and they look down on them like they're scum. Many of them are arrogant, bigoted, hypocritical, and lack the will to love & understand.
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@tgear77 (cont) You make yet another false claim that I did not look into the "claims made against" Coons. I did, and I read everything way before you ever bothered to. I haven't even seen O'Donnell's TV ads, except for the "witch" one. Being able to say that Coons' instinct is to tax is evidenced by his actions, not some TV ad that I never saw. All you can do is tell people to shut up, ridicule them, call them names, and slander them. Big deal! A 5-year old can do that too.
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@andrea082 Why to hide your comments to me so that I can't respond. The true mark of a coward. The way you claim that it is Coons' "instinct" to tax shows your bias. If you had researched the matter, you would have seen that the only way for those budgets to work were for taxes to be increased. And Coons merely offered it to the city council. They were the ones who enacted the tax increases. Don't act so high and mighty when you are lacking the facts to back your claim.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) You also falsely claim that O'Donnell did not answer her question. Wrong! She did answer her questions. She asked for clarification on 14 & 16 purely so that she could answer the question honestly. She was not in favor of repealing any of the Amendments. The moderator's agenda was to use the most fringe elements of the Tea Party as the basis for his question to her. The moderator NEVER asked Coons a Constitutional question first. That's why she felt compelled to do so herself.
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@andrea082 This is a woman who repeatedly throughout her campaign passed herself off as a Constitutional expert, repeatedly brought up her faux-credentials (and even posted them online). Yet she can't remember two of the 3 Amendments she is asked about. She did not answer the question. If one of my kids were asked that question on a test and told the teacher that he couldn't remember exactly what the 14th & 16th were, he would fail the test. Don't blame the moderator for her shortcomings.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) You refuse to see it. Coons was literally in the middle of TRYING to answer the question about the 5 freedoms listed in the 1st Amendment. It would have taken him 5 SECONDS to do! He stopped himself! Why?? Because he didn't know them! If he knew them, he would have wanted to shut her up! He despises her just like you do. You're a hypocrite for criticizing O'Donnell and giving Coons a free pass, when he couldn't even recite one of the most fundamental parts of the Constitution.
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@andrea082 All I have to go on is what is onscreen. O'Donnell admits she doesn't know two basic Amendments, even though she's a "Constitutional scholar". Coons starts to answer a question and then realizes that it has nothing to do with what the moderator asked and that O'Donnell is starting to go all Palin in the middle of the debate. Maybe he didn't want to stumble through an answer or, more likely, he remembered his prep and forced the debate back on track.
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andrea082 1 year ago
@tgear77 What are you ranting about? No one is preventing you from seeing my comments. Now back to the subject... She doesn't have a "passing knowledge" of the Constitution, she has a very good knowledge. But if you don't remember corresponding numbers with perfection, you ask for clarification, which she did! The ONLY reason you or anyone else is making this into an issue is because your goal is to ridicule, attack, and marginalize conservative candidates. That's literally the extent of it!
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@andrea082 You are the one hiding your comments by just tossing them out anywhere. Someone willing to debate hits the Reply box. A "Constitutional Scholar" would know what the 14th Amendment is at least and should know the rest as well. A Const. Scholar would know about the Separation of Church and State and not play the semantics game. But O'Donnell is not a Constitutional Scholar; just a habitual liar.
tgear77 1 year ago
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O'Donnal is freaking stupid.
zer237 1 year ago
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another sarah palin.
lawlroy 1 year ago
there is no seperation of church and state in the 1st admendment? Coon is a dumbass
Jamesleblanc1962 1 year ago
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o'donnell blows bush out of the water in terms of stupidity. she would lower the average iq of the senate by 20 points.
rj47l 1 year ago
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Why am I not surprised that she has no idea what the USSC has said the 1st Amendment means?
DillonDee1 1 year ago
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Yes, I can see it now! Tea Party wins, they do away with the 1st amendment, they create a nationalized religion which everyone has to follow and then what? Could this be the False Prophet, The Antichrist?
dalnovak 1 year ago
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Hahaha what do you have invested in her anyways? I've seen enough her clips to evaluate for myself that if nothing else, her arrangements more biased than CNN.
And yes, secularism is the way that America should be heading, at least then we could get somewhere without blathering radicalism slowing our progress.
buttuglymoose 1 year ago
@rj47l I misunderstood nothing. Your reasons for coming here and commenting couldn't be more obvious. Ridiculing conservative candidates is a bigoted pastime for you. Your actions speak to the kind of person you really are- a disingenuous, ignorant bigot. You said you have no interest in arguing with me any longer, yet here you are... still trying to utter useless nothings in my direction.
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rj47l 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) But you don't care about Coons when he lies or doesn't know something. Why? Because you clearly despise conservatives who run for office. You seek to ridicule & attack them, regardless of the double standards you create by doing so. You have no real standards. All the information you just posted is old news to me, by the way, and doesn't change his policies or his political tendencies. His instinct is to tax more when times get tough. You may like that, but many do not.
andrea082 1 year ago 8
@tgear77 (cont) I'm not the one trying to have it both ways, that would be you! I understand why someone would forget the numerical order of 27 amendments. She knew #17 by heart, but asked for clarification on which ones 14 and 16 were. And she knew the 1st Amendment, which was foundational to their discussion, yet Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms listed in the 1st Amendment, which would have taken him 5 seconds to do! So he resorted to shucking the question. He has no shame or humility.
andrea082 1 year ago 8
@tgear77 Christine never explicitly claimed to be a "Constitutional expert"...she claimed to have done a deep analysis of it in order to understand the intentions behind the content of everything written. But she never claimed to have memorized the order of every word within it. It's kind of like having to remember the order of 27 different crayon colors. You may not remember the exact order they went in, but you still know everything about each color, when you see it or are reminded of it.
andrea082 1 year ago 8
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@andrea082 You might do me the courtesy of actually replying to one of my posts instead of just tossing this out there. But I suppose it was just your cowardly way of keeping me from seeing it. So, someone who goes on and on about how well-versed she is on the Constitution with her "deep analysis" and about how every thing that crosses her desk will be judged based upon the Constitutionality of it, such a person should just have a passing knowledge of the Constitution? This is not working....
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) crayons here. This is not a coloring book contest. As for trying to have it both ways, yes you are doing that. There is nothing in the video that shows that Coons could not have rattled off the First Amendment freedoms: you are extrapolating that from his request to get the debate back on track. Yet when O'Donnell actually says she can't remember what the 14th and 16th Amendments are, you make up all sorts of excuses for her claiming that she did know what they are. Sorry, but...
tgear77 1 year ago
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@tgear77 (cont) it doesn't work like that. So stop acting like a hypocrite. At best, you can say that Coons avoided her question, but that is not evidence of not knowing something. But O'Donnell actually could not answer the question put to her. End of story. As for Coons, I am not supporting him. If it weren't for the utter lunacy of an O'Donnell candidacy, I would hardly know of him. But, unlike you, I actually looked into the claims made against him and found out the truth. All you do...
tgear77 1 year ago
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@tgear77 (cont) is parrot the O'Donnell ad claims. The fact that claim that his "instinct is to tax" shows how easily led by the nose you are. The multiple defenses of O'Donnell's ignorance shows that you could care less about the facts. You are probably one of those Tea Party idiots who think Glenn Beck tells the truth and Sarah Palin could be a good president. Come back to the argument when you have grown up. Until then, STFU.
tgear77 1 year ago
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@tgear77 thank God someone in here thinks for themselves instead of blindly following whichever candidate is going to lower taxes no matter what the fiscal reality is.
rj47l 1 year ago
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She's gonna lose, mark my word.
amnah10000 1 year ago
@rj47l It doesn't matter if he said he couldn't because he demonstrated that he couldn't when he was prompted to do so. O'Donnell never said the idea of "separation of church and state" doesn't exist, only that it isn't written in the Constitution anywhere. Her other point is that this phrase is often abused by secularists who argue that religion not be allowed anywhere in the public arena. She is correct on both points.
Are you only here to attack and ridicule people like an ignorant bigot??
andrea082 1 year ago 8
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@andrea082 Christine O'Donnell is a dumb ignorant bitch who uses a fairy tale book to dictate her life and her decision-making capability. She enjoys witchcraft, Jesus, and being stupid. She hates masturbation, knowledge, and rationality. It is embarrassing that she is even a candidate. Anyone who supports her is fucking retarded and should immediately reevaluate their lives.... and also read a book or two.
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buttuglymoose 1 year ago
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@andrea082 Andrea, you misunderstand me! I intend to help you, not attack you. It genuinely saddens me that people are so obscenely moronic as to vote for this outrageously dumb person. So you see, my motivations are nothing less than Christlike--something I'm sure you can understand.
rj47l 1 year ago
@rj47l The fact remains, if Coons knows so much about the Constitution, then he should've taken five seconds to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment after he was asked to list them. He could not. But since you can't get around that, you have to resort to assuming that he must certainly be an expert in the Constitution simply because of where he went to school. Your logic is so simple-minded, it's pathetic. Coons lied about how cap & trade would benefit his family business. Chew on that.
andrea082 1 year ago 8
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@andrea082 its not simple minded, its simple. you couldnt GET IN to yale law school without knowing the first amendment let alone graduate from there. he didn't answer her question because it wasn't the part of the amendment they were talking about. he recited, verbatim, the first part of the amendment anyways i'll take a guess he could have remembered the rest. and anyways we're not discussing cap and trade. he fucking clerked for a federal appeals justice for christ's sake. this is just silly.
rj47l 1 year ago
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@andrea082 he didn't say he couldn't. thats so stupid o'donnell knows nothing about constitutional jurisprudence if she thinks the separation of church and state doesn't exist. thats what this is about stop bringing up all this other bullshit. oh, and stop it with the "chew on that" bullshit. its just plain obnoxious.
rj47l 1 year ago
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@rj47l but i suppose o'donnell's week long summer camp makes her more qualified. she can read! arguing with you is like arguing with a kitchen table. i have no interest in doing it any longer.
rj47l 1 year ago
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@andrea082 The fact remains that if O'Donnell is the Constitutional expert that she claims to be, she would have known what the 14th and 16th Amendment were and not needed any prompting. You are a hypocrite for trying to have it both ways.
tgear77 1 year ago
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@tgear77 alright tgear, lets restore some SANITY up in heah!
rj47l 1 year ago
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hey what am i defending again??? the constipation??? Umm...
catch22af 1 year ago
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atleast know when prohibition was amended. See there's a lesson in constitution for you.
catch22af 1 year ago
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Coons and O'Donnell both really screwed up. If I were them, I'd be embarrassed to hell, because a to-be-senator should damn well know at least the first 20 amendments.
As for education, Coons is a lot more educated.. (Yale Law- the most prestigious law school in the nation) Embarrassing.
O'Donnell lied about her education and brags about being an expert on the Constitution for attending the "Claremont Institute". Since when did summer camp make you an expert on the Constitution? Lol
xjmyx 1 year ago
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she couldn't name one supreme court case she disagrees with. c'mom youre a republican all you have to say is Roe! ...dumbass.
rj47l 1 year ago
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i wonder if andrea082 is a bot paid for by the American Crossroads foundation...
rj47l 1 year ago
@rj47l If Coons knows so much about the Constitution, then he should've taken 5 seconds to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment after he was asked to list them, which would've demonstrated that he knew them, but he could not. And he did not even start his answer with a freedom. What Coons DOES know, is how to raise taxes, lie, shuck questions, and manipulate naive people like you into voting for him simply because his family was weathy enough to send him into law school. How pathetic.
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rj47l 1 year ago
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@andrea082 yeah you dont have to be intelligent to graduate from yale law school. (?) you definitely dont have to know anything about the law like odonnell obviously does with here ample experience: her credentials consist of being the token wacky conservative on late night talk shows and a religious fanatic who lied about her education. please stop being such so dumb. not all conservatives are crazy, but if karl rove thinks your you are that is probably a sign.
rj47l 1 year ago
@cyberprunes Why are you going off about religion being forced into Government? Are you really that afraid of courts allowing the forcing of religion upon you? What are you really so upset about anyway?? The term "separation of church and state" has been abused by secularists as an excuse to throw out ANY religious dialog in the public arena, while the Constitution merely states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
andrea082 1 year ago 8
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why are we arguing with these idiots who obviously know nothing about the constitution? only an idiot could be blind to the severe idiocy of this O'Donnell character. we should be spending our time on promoting rational candidates and letting dumbasses like this one speak for themselves.
rj47l 1 year ago
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Conclusion from the debate running in the comments: They are both horrible candidates and neither should be allowed to make it higher than they already are. But that's not the way the system works, so we have to pick someone. Silly politics.
ZOMGItsRobot 1 year ago
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That is just embarrassing.
She should just put down the shovel already and take her conservative christian doctrine with her on her way out.
buttuglymoose 1 year ago
@buttuglymoose There's nothing more embarrassing than seeing how easily people like you are manipulated by CNN's out-of-context hit pieces on conservative candidates. But perhaps you eat it up simply because you're an ignorant bigot who likes being fed a bunch of BS.
andrea082 1 year ago 7
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She's not that smart, but she is pretty cute though.
Harshcore811 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 You haven't explained what makes her "dumb", so it just looks like you came here to make fun of her, like the bigot that you are. I love how you said "everyone"... it's a great demonstration of how you distort the truth & reality. I also find it amusing that someone, like yourself, who has continued to misspell common words like "candidate" (you kept spelling it "canidate"), and misspelling Coons as "Coon", etc., would have the audacity to insult someone else's intelligence, LOL!
andrea082 1 year ago 7
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@andrea082 She is dumb, and you are spending to much time defending her. She doesn't deserve any form of defense because shes beyond moronic. If you are running for senator you should know the constitution like the back of your hand. Plus she had the audacity to pay money to announce that she wasnt a witch. Obviously she not a witch, people were just making fun of the fact that she said she use to dabble in witchcraft. Shes a fool and the people that vote for her are just as dumb
lilmisssme 1 year ago
@lilmisssme said: "If you are running for senator you should know the constitution like the back of your hand."
Yet Coons failed to list the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment, and where are you crying about it? You aren't calling him "dumb" or "moronic". Why? Because you are a hypocrite! And it's interesting that you criticize me for defending the truth, which is easy and admirable, but you don't criticize yourself for going out of your way to slander and attack other people.
andrea082 1 year ago 5
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" it is by the constitution... i'm centering around the constitution, according to the constitution..., constitutional repentence."
bitch shut the fuck up and READ the constitution.
gudivningvarun555 1 year ago
@gudivningvarun555 She has, and can you please get back on your medication now, Gud?
andrea082 1 year ago 4
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yeah thats really unfair to point out that she doesn't know what the 14th amendment is. she's an idiot you dont have to be unfair the make that abundantly clear.
rj47l 1 year ago
@rj47l If she's an idiot for asking for clarification on which amendment subject #14 is, then Coons is CLEARLY an idiot for not knowing the five freedoms listed in the First Amendment. Go chew on that. And while you're at it, just remember how foolish you look calling someone an idiot while simultaneously making a number of grammatical errors in the process...
andrea082 1 year ago 7
@andrea082 well im not running for senate now am i? and also what the fuck are you talking about? chris coons graduated from YALE LAW SCHOOL do you honestly think he doesnt know what the 14th amendment says?. why this o'donnell dumbfuck would ever try to act like she knows more about constutional law than him is completely beyond me.
rj47l 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 It *is* a question, because I was not certain of your position, and that was the whole purpose of me placing the question marks there. The only reason that I phrased the question the way that I did was to elicit a broader, more elaborative response from you, and to show that people COULD assume your position(s) if you don't actually state them yourself.
So tell me, What motivated you to watch this YT video?
andrea082 1 year ago 4
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@andrea082 I wanted to see if Christine O'Donnell really was as dumb as everyone said she was, and she is.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@taimourC word to the wise... it's never too late to become educated on things you don't know. Coons did not know the 5 freedoms of the First Amendment. If he knew them, then he would have recited them after being asked to. And his rant about the moderator being the only one allowed to ask him questions is bogus, because the moderator was allowing O'Donnell to ask him questions and allowing him time to answer her question, but he couldn't answer and didn't want to embarrass himself. --sigh
andrea082 1 year ago 4
@andrea082 Asking that they get back to the agreed upon format of the debate by allowing the moderators to be the ones who ask the questions is hardly a 'rant'. You either don't know the meaning of the word or are so warped in your support for O'Donnell that you can't recognize reality anymore. I personally don't think Coons is capable of a rant; he's a little too timid for my tastes. If he could work up to one, he should have been all over O'Donnell for her utter stupidity.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 Your defense of Coons is laughable. He gets flustered so easily, that he resorted to telling the moderator at one of his debates, "If you can reconcile all those comments, you're an even more talented reporter than I think you are, Nancy." And this came after Nancy had actively helped him all debate long. He's not only an idiot when it comes to the 1st amendment, he was a privileged child of wealth, a proven liar, & he raised property taxes on middle class families by 58% in 3 years.
andrea082 1 year ago 5
@andrea082 I'll Agree, he got flustered. So he is not the most confident public speaker. He might be a total washout as a Senator once elected. I don't know. But what I do know is that he far outstrips O'Donnell in knowing what the Constitution says and stands for. For you to honestly believe that a Yale Law graduate, Supreme Court clerk and attorney at law would not know the first Amendment rights is laughable. But then again, you believe that dimwit O'Donnell actually made sense when...
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) talking about the Separation of Church and State. And if we are going to talk about liars, then we should start with O'Donnell and the mountain of lies she has told so far. As well as the theft of campaign funds, the false lawsuit she filed, the IRS trouble, the refusal to pay for her college education, etc. What exactly about this idiot screams out to you "Potential Senator"?
tgear77 1 year ago
@andrea082 Also, since I just checked the facts, Coons raised property taxes by 54% over a period of 3 years (which resulted in property taxes going from an average 0f $360 to an average of $502. He also had to put forth decreasing county budgets in the last 2 of those years. This was due to the harsh effects of the recession and the fact that his predecessor had depleted the county reserves. He did this to keep services such as the police and fire departments, libraries, parks, etc. operating..
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 (cont) Also, he did not do these things alone. He put for budget proposals that the Councilmen voted into effect. Also, each of his requests to increase property taxes were approved by a majority vote. Perhaps if you chose to seek out the facts instead of just believing everything that drips out of O'Donnells mouth, you might learn something.
tgear77 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 First of all, learn to comprehend the difference between assumptions and questions. Questions are seen with question marks at the end. I specifically asked you a question so that you could tell me your answer and I wouldn't have to assume anything. So no, I did not assume you supported those things, which is why I asked if you did. I am not clear on anything you support because you aren't revealing your beliefs, just attacking others'..
What motivated you to watch this YT video?
andrea082 1 year ago 5
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@andrea082 Let me quote what you said at the end of your comment "I guess you support that though??", that is not a question just because it has question marks at the end. Your whole comment is written as if I support what you mentioned, maybe you should take a writing class and learn how to convey your thoughts better.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@tgear77 I watched the whole debate that CNN spliced up here & presented out of context. In it, O'Donnell recited the 17th amendment without any help. It's interesting that you accuse me of reading her mind, when you, & all her other critics, are the ones guilty of that! And then when O'Donnell literally explains the intentions for her questions & comments, you don't listen! You want it both ways! But when Coons can't recite the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment, that's ok?? Hypocrites!
andrea082 1 year ago 16
@Luketheking1 So, you think it's wrong to continue stimulus spending, but it'd be okay if Coons voted to spend more money on entitlement programs and raised taxes? In just 3 years, as County Executive, Chris Coons ran up the New Castle County property taxes by 58%, hurting middle class families, even as the unemployment of that county is 30% higher than the national average. I guess you support that though??
andrea082 1 year ago 6
@andrea082 no you just assume I support all those things because I did not say I didn't. Both canidates are horrible and are just cookie-cutter like every other canidate that has run in the past 50 years. Every politician says the same thing they both want to lower taxes, they just want to go about doing it in a different way.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
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No one can be this stupid and function !!!
billoakesattablthree 1 year ago
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I don't like Coon either he supports Obama and I am not an Obama supporter, but this video has to do Christine O'Donnell not Coon.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 Okay, let's try this again......... List some policies that Coons supports that you don't agree with or don't like. At least name one.
andrea082 1 year ago 4
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@andrea082 I gave you the only reason, other than that and his stimulas views I'm ok with him and his polices. He wants to continue the stimulas spending which is a waste of money and does not work.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
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Its not so much what you believe in, but how you go about doing it. You said you want a stronger national defense, and you want lower taxes? You do know that most of our tax paying dollars go to national defense so how do you get a stronger national defense without raising taxes and cutting benifits. All you did was list a bunch of things every party and group says. And I am also not a liberal I just look at both sides of the issues instead of just one.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 You've only attacked one party in the comments section for this video so far. Where's your attack on Coons or the party that he represents? I dare you to attack him for one of the policies he supports that you don't agree with or don't like. If you aren't a liberal, this shouldn't be too hard for you ;)
andrea082 1 year ago 4
@Luketheking1 First of all, national defense is NOT where most of our tax dollars go. Secondly, a strong national defense is not all about money, it's about foreign policy and leadership too. Thirdly, you don't have to raise taxes to pay for something, you can also (gasp from the left) CUT FUNDING from WASTEFUL and/or USELESS social programs and reduce pork barrel projects!
Judging from your previous comments, you only seem to be coming from ONE side of the issues. Nice defense, lol.
Techno5555 1 year ago 5
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@Techno5555 The Department of Defense has recieved the most money in past years only being beaten this year by Obamacare spending which gives Medicare the 1% surge over the Department of Defense this year. And the DoD is all about money, money for troops, projects, ect... thats why they get such a big cut in the first place (715 billion this year). If you want to cut waste (gasp from the right) let the Bush tax cuts expire for the 2% of the population.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 If you don't have leaders engaged in smart national security and defense policy, and instead have a leader like Obama who undermines terrorism, favors disarmament, goes on a global apology tour, and bows to other leaders, then I fail to see how that makes our country LESS vulnerable to attack. I take it you're still in favor of higher taxes, more spending, more bailouts, more entitlement programs, more debt, and more government regulations, right? Chris Coons is your man!
Techno5555 1 year ago 3
@Techno5555 no I do not support Obama or Coon or O'Donnell, I never said i did I said I like Coon more, the lesser of two evils. All i said was that I thought she was a dipshit and she is, she has no sense of what to say and still acts like that little girl we all saw on MTV years ago. I'm not going to debate with only 500 characters every single problem our country has or point out why it won't matter if you vote for either of them because they both will not fix any of our country's problems.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
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No the joke is on whoever votes for anyone who runs on the tea party platform. She believes in Creationism, which turns a blind eye to science and puts too much emphasis on her Christian beliefs. The tea party is a bunch of right wing extremist Christans.
Luketheking1 1 year ago
@Luketheking1 I doubt you even know what the tea party platform is. Let me guess...you want higher taxes, more government spending, more bailouts, more taxpayer-funded entitlement programs, more government regulations, more debt, cap and tax, a weaker national defense, etc? If so, vote for Chris Coons, Harry Reid, Dick Blumenthal, Patty Murray, Barbara Boxer or whoever your liberal candidate for US Senate is.
Techno5555 1 year ago 9
@Luketheking1 Many of those tea party people you despise so much are going to be in Congress next year, so the joke is on you. Have fun with your life... if you remember how to do that...
andrea082 1 year ago 4
@Luketheking1 Amen Luther, Radical Christianity has disguised itself as irrational tea party baggery. If my kids are ever forced to learn only about creationism, I will home-school them and make sure they learn secular, scientific, and factual knowledge. (hmmm it would be interesting to know the average g.p.a of a tea bagger, because you have to be STUPID beyond a reasonable doubt to support numbskulls like her and palin)
taimourC 1 year ago
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@taimourC I personally am not against Christianity and am a Catholic but even the Catholic Church does not believe in creationism
Luketheking1 1 year ago
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So Christine O'Donnell ...Sarah Palin...do we see a pattern here? If this is the best the Republicans have to offer they are in big trouble. Actually this lady makes Sarah Palin seem almost competent.
SherriesBrother 1 year ago
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My god is she an idiot. I think it was hard for Anderson Cooper to keep from laughing during the report.
DownWithLiquid 1 year ago
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O'donnell is a expert in bullsh!t.
thedinkyone 1 year ago
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Techno, we don't need CNN to show us that Christine O'Donnell is a crazy idiot. Every time she opens her mouth, she tells us. People are free to vote for her or whomever they wish, but really Delaware, are you kidding? Let's all just hope the rest of your state comes to their collective sense and keeps her out of the US Senate. If you want her, fine, elect her to a state office and please keep her out of federal matters.
Peekr 1 year ago
@Peekr Right, because Delawareans really know how to chose bright Senators like Joe "the Gaffe-machine" Biden, don't they? I mean they kept him in the Senate for 36 years. 36 years!! lol
Techno5555 1 year ago 7
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This is so sad a pathetic, why has there been such a war against intelligence as of late? What a shame that a person like this is in the position to represent a portion of the American Public...
93hondaLX 1 year ago
@93hondaLX The joke's on you, because you actually believe that this was an honest report of what Christine O'Donnell did during the debate. She was challenging Coons' knowledge of the 1st amendment, knowing full well what it says. She knew that the phrase "separation of church & state" was not actually in the Constitution anywhere, but was testing Coons to see if he would slip up & say that it was. The liberal media LOVES to take her statements out of context & deceive naive people like you.
andrea082 1 year ago 8
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@andrea082 OMG andrea, OMG that is the most delusional statement i have ever read. The woman literally said she has not memorized the constitution after claiming to have done a deep analysis of the constitution. Even if you don't memorize the constitution, basic retention (unless you're an idiot) would allow you to know which constitutional amendment is which. Denial of her stupidity does not stop her from being stupid. She shows a new low for tea baggers
taimourC 1 year ago
@taimourC Which do you think is worse? Being asked a question about the 14th, 16th and 17th Amendments all at once (and wanting to be briefly reminded of 2 of them), or a Yale Law graduate not being able to cite ANY of the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment?...because Coons couldn't name ONE when prompted by O'Donnell.
I noticed the panel never directed an Amendment question to Coons, so O'Donnell took matters into her own hands.
Techno5555 1 year ago 29
@Techno5555 Bend over a little more to make apologies for her. Perhaps you are referring to some other clip, but I didn't see Coons being unable to name one of the Freedoms. As for O'Donnell, as Cooper points out, O'Donnell has gone overboard claiming to be an expert on the Constitution and yet seems to be unable to recall anything about it. Perhaps the panel should have asked Coons different questions, but this is about the ones asked of O'Donnell and she failed miserably.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 Unlike you (or Anderson Cooper), I actually saw the entire debate that was referenced in this hit piece on O'Donnell. O'Donnell asked Coons if he could name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment, and all he could say was "government shall make no establishment of religion". He's an IDIOT, and the left-wing media is working overtime to help campaign for Chris Coons, and this piece of journalstic malpractice from CNN is a great example of that.
Techno5555 1 year ago 16
@Techno5555 Actually, that is not what happened. O'Donnell, trying to change the focus from her being shown up about the Separation of Church and State in the First Amendment, asked him to name the freedoms established in the First Amendment and Coons shut her down by saying that the moderators were the ones who were supposed to be asking the questions. Huge difference between him not knowing the First Amendment. I'll take the Yale Law grad over the dimwit lying witch every time.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 Uh...no. (1) She wasn't "shown up" about the 1st Amendment at all. (2) After O'Donnell asked Coons if he could name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment (which he couldn't), he began his answer with his go-to clause in the 1st Amendment (which did NOT list a freedom!), and then he (3) ran to the moderators for help like the spoiled brat that he is. (4) Why is it that liberals can't win any debates without the help of the media and the moderators?
Techno5555 1 year ago 5
@Techno5555 Yes, she was shown up in her stupidity surrounding the Constitution. Coons did not run to the moderators, but clearly tried to keep O'Donnell from pulling a Palin and ignoring the rules of the debate. Why is it your candidates can't follow simple rules and try to win a debate based on the facts? Coons knows the Constitution and O'Donnell just likes to say that she does.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 Rules of the debate? LOL, the moderators didn't care if they cross-talked in that debate. They did it several times. What are you whining about anyway? Your precious Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms in the First Amendment and apparently you think he's a genius for crying out for help from the moderators. How pathetic.
Techno5555 1 year ago 4
@Techno5555 But, as anyone who has ever watched a proper debate knows, the questions are to come from the moderators. O'Donnell, running scared, tries to put Coons on the spot by asking questions rather than answering those given to her, a cheap tactic employed by Palin in the V-P debate. Coons, who gives no hint that he can not name the 5 Freedoms, wisely turns things back to the way they should be. The only pathetic thing in the video is the idiot O'Donnell who thinks she is scoring points.
tgear77 1 year ago
@tgear77 Proper debate?? LOL, you sure are grasping at straws! If anyone in all of their debates was running scared and refused to answer questions and talked over their opponent, it was the arrogant and condescending Chris Coons, and you think he was "wise" for running scared when he could have easily proved that he knew the answer to her question?? He didn't score ANY points as far as I'm concerned. He looks like a dumbass who can dish it out, but can't take it (just like you).
Techno5555 1 year ago 6
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@Techno5555 That's because that quote he keeps repeating was specifically placed in the constitution to separate church and state! Its called the establishment clause. Did you watch the video? The intent if the authors of the bill of rights to separate the two is clear which is why our supreme court has ruled repeatedly to prevent the government from promoting religion as Coons stated.
Leones44 1 year ago
@Leones44 (1) Coons didn't even cite the establishment clause properly. (2) The clause means what it says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". (3) The phrase was not put in the constitution to separate church and state (as leftist judges "interpret"), it was put in to prohibit the establishment of a state religion (e.g. the Church of England). (4) Coons couldn't name the 5 freedoms guaranteed in the 1st Amendment when prompted by O'Donnell, but CNN doesn't care.
Techno5555 1 year ago 31
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@Techno5555 I would hardly call the supreme court a bunch of "leftist judges". The court has ruled this way for well over a hundred years in a number of cases. "the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States". Thats a quote from the FATHER OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, James Madison. A O'Donnells campaing is all about her claim of being a constitutional expert. Did you watch the vid?
Leones44 1 year ago
@Leones44 I didn't call the supreme court a bunch of "leftist judges", but let's get back to the point. Her question to Coons had nothing to do with what Madison wrote in a letter, it had everything to do with what's actually written IN THE CONSTITUTION! Why is this so hard for leftists to understand? Whether you agree with O'Donnell or not, her argument regarding the 1st Amendment isn't going away, even if she does. Why are you acting as if your secularism is hanging in the balance of her race?
Techno5555 1 year ago 5
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@Techno5555 "Why are you acting as if your secularism is hanging in the balance of her race". Lol, I'm not worried about my "secularism hanging in the balanace", especially not bc of Christine O'Donnell. I was addressing the issues of the intent of the establishment clause.
Leones44 1 year ago
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@Techno5555 Its amazing how religion can make even the smartest person think and behave irrationally. The James Madison quote that you seemingly dismissed speaks volumes to the intent of the establishment clasue. If you're debating the intent of (meaning behind) a historical document what better way to determine its intent by examining the writings of its author?! That's how historical research is done and that's why historical scholars and lawyers understand the intent of that clause today...
Leones44 1 year ago
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@Techno5555 ...Unless you don't want the state and your personal religion to be separate. In that case you use any sort of reasoning necessary to reach your desired result namely Christian prayers in school, state sponsored religious initiatives etc. You use that reasoning even if it is unsound bc the ends justify the means and after all we can "save" more people if we only had God in schools, or the military etc. Who cares about a quote, if you can harp on the fact that the exact phrase...
Leones44 1 year ago
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@Techno5555 ... "separation of church and state" is not there then it leaves just enough wiggle room to convice people that there is no constituional basis for such an idea, unless someone provided enough evidence that intent of the establishment clause was to separate the two. And when that happens you simply turn a blind eye, duck you head in the sand, and pretend or claim this evidence is insignificant. Again, to people who've actually studied the constituion, bill or rights, and the...
Leones44 1 year ago
@Techno5555 And why does someone keep hiding all my post?!?! Somebody doesn't want people visiting this page to see the counter arguments to all this religious conservative nonsense!
Leones44 1 year ago
@Leones44 What a delusional rant! Nothing I stated was false, yet your response is full of strawman arguments and non sequiturs! Is it common for you to have debates with yourself? If so, I would suggest seeing a doctor or perhaps it's time to take your medication. I asked you at least one question, but instead of answering, you stonewalled like Chris Coons. You seem more concerned that your posts are seen by everyone instead of making any direct counter arguments.
Techno5555