LDS HISTORY

[marcopolo8765]

its a great time to be a Latter day saint. Never before have the blessing of the restored gospel been so apparent.

[andmoreagain777]

This information is not ANTI-MORMON!!

It is anti-Mormonism...its the doctrine we have a problem with...A big problem

I love and care about Mormons...they are very nice people..I have relatives and friends that are Mormon. I dont dislike or want to hurt them..No WAy

The typical Mormon attitude to the factscan be summed up by this.

"DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH THE FACTS...I HAVE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND."

There seems to be the automatic Mormon reaction to the facts...I must defend "the prophet"

[mi007fistspot]

well may I ask what you're faith is now?

[mormonomore]

Well now that I have freed myself from illogical, superstitious and irrational beliefs what religion do you suppose I belong to? Yes you are correct None!

[jarshuajames]

Wow maybe you should learn all of the facts right before you go and make a video. Almost everything you say is a twisted truth.

[mormonomore]

What I say historically is accurate and you either know it or ignorant of your beliefs. I grew up LDS served a mission etc I know what they believe I am not an outsider. The only thing that could be "twisted" is your difference of opinion on my thesis that mormonism is a cult. I having grown up LDS feel it follows the cultish tendancies. As far as historical or scientific claims please inform me where I may be mistaken and if you can prove it I will alter the Video, otherwise shut up!

[hypnotstcollector]

The ABRAHAM PAPYRUS alone should be enough to send any Mormon running for a Christian church. ANY failure by a Prophet of God or Mormon Gob, demands The Penalty for such failure. JS had too many to list here. Getting his ass shot up,many Revelations, Kinderhook Plates. (he NEVER had a Bank. he had an ANTI-Bank, couldnt get a charter for bank for his state within a state)

[grantac]

Always ask why. The answers are out there. The truth will set you free. Test everything and find out for your self.

[americanxprincess]

well thats up to you mate. most humans i know have more than a brain to navigate with. they have a heart a spirit and they have instincts. here you are thinking your so smart and you cant even grasp the concept of faith.

[grantac]

When I was young my mom told me not to touch the hot pot. I touched it and it burned my hand. Believing my mom alone would be blind faith. Touching the hot pot and learning that it did actually burn me gave me certainty. I had to test it for myself to truly know. God helps those who help themselves.

[americanxprincess]

i used to live with this guy who was all scientific would go on for hours about stuff that would bore you to death & he was a non believer-previously [of lds] & knew alot about history. he studied the bom for 6 months straight & compared with all of his historical knowledge & books etc & guess what he said it all matched up & was baptized & became a devout member.

[grantac]

I am sorry to have gone on for so long with you. I first was attempting to open your mind. Perhaps help a bit? But I know now that I should retreat. My ego has gotten the best of me trying to prove that I am right. But I feel that I have to add that Israel is still Israel and definitely not Iraq. You can google map that to double check. I must go. You have no vessel for knowledge.

[americanxprincess]

you are deluded mate. your asessment of your own intelligence has let you down.

[grantac]

Me deluded? When was the last time you ever heard of some one vacationing to the ruins or cities found in or spoken of in the BOM? I have seen on TV wars being fought in Israel all my life. There is no museum showing the past historical BOM peoples. I am sorry.

[americanxprincess]

i dont want to talk to you mate because you are just so arrogant you think that anything outside of your knowledge or experience can hold any value or truth. be careful asessing everything with that brain of yours cos i dont think its doing you much favours.

[ntguy73]

If the ruins, weapons, bodies left behind by nephities and lamanites then there would be solid proof that christ existed. and with proof comes a greater responsability for our sin. Faith actually saves us cause we have no proof. if you have perfect knowlege of heavenly father your sins will be much more difficult to overcome.

[grantac]

What I am saying is that we do not have to have faith to know that Jesus lived on earth. And we do not need faith to know that all the cities and peoples mentioned in the bible are real. BUT one does need faith to believe the BOM to be factual because there is no trace of the peoples, temples or artifacts.

[DeArmondVI]

So, in other words, God intentionally ensured that all relevant historical "proof" of the BoM was removed from the Americas (and possibly the earth) in order for us to have faith rather than knowledge?

Do you like the fact that your God is altering the very planet you live on in order to screw with your head?

I find it quite odd to believe that my reality has been altered in order to properly set "just" conditions for the "test" that is mortal life.

I'm so glad that I got out of the cult.

[grantac]

Your are totally right. Thank you. I asked heavenly father and he said that the Book of Mormon is true. I am at peace now. I feel a great warmth in my bossum. I now hold a testimony that the church is true. And in the name of Jesus Christ amen.

[americanxprincess]

dude, whatever man. i meant that as one christian to another not as a mormon brain washed speech, if you must know i wasnt raised in the church i was baptised at 8 but my mum hardly ever took us to church.. ive always known the church was true because the truth is made known thru the holy spirit not by picking everything apart intelectually.

[grantac]

My advice is to pick apart everything intellectually. The bible tells us to test everything. Certainty equals power. Don't believe anything you hear or read. You have the right to know. By the way I am not a Christian. I am a former Mormon. And that is not at all Christian to me.

[americanxprincess]

if your looking for clues then maybe your just not looking in the right place or havnt yet found what your searching for. ask God to direct you with your research and see what you come up with.

[americanxprincess]

whats the deal about lamanites anyway, why do the lamanites concern you so much?!

[americanxprincess]

besides i can tell you know little about it kamorah??? probably closer to Cumorah. if you had done any reading of it you would have a better idea of the spellings of things.

[grantac]

No matter how you spell it, there are no artifacts proving the BOM to be a true historical text. Period. Give me one coin or piece of metal. Or show me a city ruin. Zerihmla where art thou?

[americanxprincess]

actually there are artifacts-in Utah.

[grantac]

No there are not. Where? In the temple? I have been there and nothing proving that the ancient laminites existed is there. All I have ever seen is early Joseph Smith stuff. Oliver Caldry. Brigham Young. That's it.

[americanxprincess]

no its not kept in the temple its kept in some vault or something.

[grantac]

Maybe it's in the arc of the covenant? There you will find the gold plates and Laben's sword that Nephi used to cut off Laben's head. And the seer stones will be there along with the compass that Nephi used to navigate across the ocean. Have you seen them? Or some one that has? In all actuality, there would be so much artifacts, such as, huge buildings that we wouldn't have to question if it were so.

[americanxprincess]

have you seen God? have you seen jesus? does that mean that their not real? -signs follow those that believe and not the other way around.

[grantac]

There are other writings found that are not in the bible that talk about Jesus. They are in Jewish text and also in the Koran. Jesus has other writings that he himself wrote in Aramaic. So he is real. The Laminites are direct decendants of the American Indians. They have much importance to American history if in fact they are real. And if so they would have left behind some clues.

[americanxprincess]

so why are the lamanites more important than the nephites? and why are the writings of jesus more evidence to you than the writings and scriptual record of the lamanites?.

[grantac]

I can go to Bethleham or Israel and walk where Jesus walked. But I cannot go to, say, Zerihemla or Bountiful and walk where Nehpi walked. Get it. Nephites and Laminites have no record besides what is written in the BOM. Jesus is more factual.

[americanxprincess]

well i beg to differ ...i think you can walk where they walked, the names of the places have changed thats all just like israel is no longer israel its iran isnt it or iraq??? & i fail to see any explanation from what you wrote that leads you to believe that jesus is more factual. Are you suggesting that secular beliefs & teachings are more important than the word of God?

[americanxprincess]

whoever put this together is ignorant and closed minded. you might want to check your spelling mistakes also. i came here to look for something inspirational-soothing and i get this crap!! times like this i just wanna go and lay in the temple and forget ppl like you even exist.

[grantac]

Ignorant? Bury under the ground and find me some evidence of the laminites ever establishing cities in the Americas. You won't be able to find any thing because it never existed. Now go to Israel and prove to me the biblical stuff. Easy. I know.

[americanxprincess]

do your own research.

[Virnadette]

The truth shall be revealed and no unhallowed hand can stop the work of God.

Have you ever felt a burning bossom in your heart?

Me, I did!

What a wonderful feeling.

[grantac]

Those who trust their hearts are like buffoons. The Bible says the same thing. When I first thought I was in love I felt that warmth in my bossom too. Turned out the girl cheated on me and was clearly not the right one for me. I was only 18 to add to that. Bury under the hill Kamora and you will find no evidence of there being battles there. Pray about it.

[Virnadette]

"My soul Hungered" instead

[Virnadette]

Watch "O my Soul Hungered" and "For our Day"

[Virnadette]

watch the video "O my soul hungered" and "For our Day"

[RezMan]

mormonomore- your just another one, a gentile who is loyal to what his own taught him or her . You will never stop the truth . Your just another one like your brother germmessiah, grnmessiah, I bet your both from the same bucket.

[mormonomore]

I was born and raised Lds Temple, Mission whole 9 yards read teh book of Mormon over 30X's as well as read all official works including Official history of the church. I am loyal to the truth and that is why I left and made these video's. I invite you to show where my quotes of historical event's and or doctrine are inaccurate if you can't than all you can do is say you have a different opinion. Oh by the way the LDS church makes it very difficult to leave due to family and social pressure.

[ntguy73]

you can thumb through all the man made man written documents which i'm sure have error but you cannot disreguard the burning of the bosom which i have felt as a convert to the church. i would never deny the church is true.

[grantac]

J.Smith was a mason. Mason's bible was written by Albert Pike. A. Pike said that masonry would be nothing if it weren't for the teachings of the kabbalah. I have studied kabbalah for two years now. As a former mormon I strongly believe J. Smith got his wisdom from the kabbalah. You feel the light of God, yes. But does that mean the BOM is true? No.Learn about it.

[ntguy73]

i've asked specifically if the BoM was true. i dont know how god in infinite wisdom could misunderstand my request for confirmation and get it wrong. maybe you didnt ask the right question. i did..

[grantac]

I know for a fact that whatever you believe in is true. Whatever I believe in is true too. Some folks believe in UFO's, ghost, global warming or govt. conspiracies. You know what. It is all true. Then we must question reality. What is reality? For each person it is different. We are all right.

[ShutMeUpxProductions]

Tell me about it. I left over TWO years ago and my visiting teachers and mother won't leave me alone!

[therflo13]

The basis of the the LDS church is logic, rationality, and evidence.

[FordGT64]

Your argument of illogical, irrational and superstitious is interesting. You are spending a lot of time making the claim of mormonnomore and for what reason, built up anger, poor scout trip, new revelation. There is no way that you can tell me that when you were in primary that you did not feel joy, or when someone in one of your wards uplifted you. It is the people you are angry with not the doctrine, it has always been the same, it is you that has changed. God Bless

[FordGT64]

Look at what the petty democratcs have accomplished this year. zip nada zero nothing except going after republicans which has also accomplished nothing. God lives and if Mitt Romney beleives in God and the Prophet of the LDS church. Fabulous, it is better to stand for something than fall for anything like this stupid video.

[FordGT64]

This is pathetic. Freedom of religion all the way. Mitt Romney has my vote solely based on his integrity, forget his religion, he doesn't need that to be elected in my eyes. Honesty, integrity, family values, faitful to his wife for 30 years. Just what we need to put us back on track in the good ole' US of A

[mormonomore]

Mitt Romney seems like a very capable politician this video has nothing to do whatsoever with him. The truth be told all religions are illogical, irrational and superstitious Mormonism however is above average in these regards and the religion I was brought up with.

[therflo13]

who ever posted this has way too much time on there hands. I mean honestly... dude get a life... it's o.k. you can move out of you parents basement and get a real job... But seriousely... g r o w u p dude.

[mormonomore]

I do not know why you are making judgments of which you know very I suspect like your understanding of the LDS history and doctrine. Please comment on any claims made in the video specificaly instead of sounding like an idiot that just makes ill informed judgments of the author of these videos.

[therflo13]

First off the church wasn't founded in 1830. It was restored (gathered together). Secondly "implied and taught?" "authoritarian?" yeah the majority of serious issues are voted on democratically.

[cydmets8]

why is everyone hating on mormons !!! how would you all like it if some1 started putting videos up about ur religion on you tube making of it fun and mocking it. everyone is entitled 2 there opinions but nt as harsh as some of the comments that u all r leaving on here.

[cydmets8]

im proud to be a LDS !!!!

[LDSGaydar]

I am writing a screenplay called, Plowed: When Joseph Met Brigham, about the love affair that ensued between these two great hedonists. It will be wonderful.

[22belhaven]

learn about your own church...

exposeromney . com

Our editor that just "got out" has much to say.

[nothintorollwith]

Organized religion makes me proud to be an atheist. Sheer craziness.

[Outlaw1257]

Nothin;

Every night, I give thanks to God Almighty that I am an athiest!

If you are not doing as I do, then you are doomed to burn forever in the firey pitts of eternal hell.

Please send me 10% of your gross income so that I can pray for your heathen demon possessed soul.

[arconus]

lol guess what it's true as well about cristians ... hail pop the living crist lmao

[nashaunconwell]

Mormon4life If you go to Church and belive in God...How would you like it if people started making fun of what you belive in

When being involved in anything especially religion one wants to find evidence and then can make a defence, Mormonism is so full of loopholes and nonsence i wonder how anyone can finish MTS without serious doubts.

[nashaunconwell]

Thanks for the video an honest NON exagerated video that speaks the truth and "no burning of the bosom" testimony here just the facts, I am so thankful I am not Mormon, Joseph once said to avoid even the appearence of evil, DID HE ACCOMPLISH THIS NO the Mormon would say , but that was not a revelation, he still did not keep his words Mormons

[nashaunconwell]

Mormon4life

"If you gonna pick on a Church why does it have to be ours?" Here is why people pick on your church, 1 Joseph Smith was a deceiving LIAR and adulterer not to mention involved in magic BEFORE translating the BOM 2. The legacy continued with Brigham Young a violent, bigot and bafoon. 3. Gordon H is less than honest dealing with the Hoffman forgeries, your church is full of deceit, when you see ADAMSETHSMITH videos see how JS is Portrayed, even the flock are LIARS

[Mormon4life]

You would people would have better things in there time than to try and stop people beliveing in what they want. If you gonna pick on a Church why does it have to be ours? If you go to Church and belive in God...How would you like it if people started making fun of what you belive in.!!!

[globglob2]

Um,, I'm an atheist. I don't "believe" in anything, so make fun all you want of my non belief in gods and the supernatural. We just want to expose the lies of your criminal founder, J.Smith, he was a convicted conman. How could anyone believe such flimsy lies as he put out? And the polygamy with underage kids? Wow. He sure was a creep.

[globglob2]

It's funny, Christians and Atheists can both agree, Mormonism sucks. Mormons are in deep denial about the cult status, and they are not even aware of the actual nature of the church beliefs, though they yell loudly that they know, they've never heard of most of the nutty concepts behind it. Just the whitewashed Christ stuff LDS throws to them.

[ladyshar1984]

This is so far from the truth, as far as the east is from the west!!!Read the bible please, get a relationship with God, learn about who He is, accept that Jesus died on the cross to save us from punishment, take this into account and get saved, Jesus is the only way!!!! bottom line, just read the Word, the Truth!

[myboysgirl]

did you watch the video? if you did, you would see that the creator was pointing out the rediculousness of the book of mormon-not the bible.

[mormongirl5150]

i am a mormon and i am sick of all of you haters that are nothing but hypocrytes.i think you should grow up and learn some tolerance!

[myboysgirl]

dude. tolerance is not the word. it's about what is factual and what is not. it is a fact that joseph smith was a fraud. therefore the mormon religion is based on nothing. period. yes, i can be tolerant of you being an idiot enough to believe the bom but we are talking facts here. you are a fool.

[globglob2]

It's you who needs to "grow up" and see that you're living under a web of lies. The original deceit of the founder, known and convicted criminal, J.Smith. His 1826 NY convictions for peepstone treasure hunting are now in the cults library. Why are you supporting a woman hating liar and conman?

[ladyshar1984]

This is the biggest lie ive ever seen. Its my place as a bible reading Christian serving our Lord Jesus Christ to openly disagree with this poison, its clear in the bible in revelation 22v18 that if anyone adds to Gods word, (the bible) they will suffer every plague metioned in the bible. This is another Religion made up.

All God wants of us is a clean heart who hungers for His word and teaching.

All i can do is pray for these peoples hearts to be changed and turned to the TRUTH!!

[mormongirl5150]

so your saying all you have to do is read the bivle? no comitment or promise to him. do you think all he wants for you is to act friendly to anyone you like and send hate mail to different faiths? wow... that sounds like a real christan to me...

[1Nephi]

As a bible reader I know that man has no authority to judge others.

Our belifes on what revilations is saying is that anyone who tries to change parts of the bible for there benefit will be punished.

If God gave us prophets and revilations to guide back then...why not today in the darkest days?

If you read the bible then you will know James 1:5.Why dont you pray honestly and ask if this faith is true or not! God has promaised to answer if you ask honestly!

[globglob2]

This is a cult thought stopping ritual. Asking "God" or "Jesus" is not going to produce any tangible result, and your own mind would be the only thing answering back. It's a really vulgar and low concept, that you can "Prove" something by asking gods. Please stop saying it, just embarassing.

[1Nephi]

If Believeing in Jesus Christ and loveing him with all our hearts and promoteing nothing but peace is a calt...Then I guess Im in a calt.

Now you say Christians agree that Mormons suck...Mormons are christians...and a true Christian dosnt criticize others for there beliefes. Christians are supposed to follow Christ and Christ never critisized anyone.

[ladyshar1984]

Asking God is a very pride swallowing thing to do, if your not willing to do it or to even accept Him as your saviour, its you and Him on judgement day, not me you and HIM, its your life and salvation not mine, my eternal salvation lies in Jesus Christ, people wont save me or give me what i need in life,May God soften your heart. Oh yeh by the way, i aint a morman, im a bible reading Christian who doesnt need to refer to a book of lies.

[kmarc123]

You are the classic example of a self rightious, chest beating hippocrit. Do you think Christ judges others the same as you. If one takes upon himself the name of Christ and lives a Christ like life, that is all he requires. Judge not that ye be not judged "thou whited wall". Do you believe that the Lord died only for those that agree with you. He died for all mankind. Eternal life is a gift for everyone, not for just you and you narrow minded like.

[kmarc123]

Oh by the way. There are 51 different bible versions in English alone. The King James version originaly had the Book of Maccabees included. I guess you are reading a apostate version according to John 22:18.

[ldsgirl1]

I agree completely with you! I think that others should ask of God before judging others. Thankyou for defending Mormonism!

[grantac]

Going to church is good. Yes. But do your research about the church and the Book of Mormon. And the Pearl of Great Price. Come on man. The BOM said that there was a temple like Solomon's built in the Americas. Well...where is it today?

[ldsgirl1]

Who do you believe, God or scientists who don't really have any proof about their contradictions to Mormonism. Personally, i beleive my testimony from the Holy Ghost.

[krissy4nik]

thats is a false choice what you should have said is who do you believe men who claim to speak for God or scientists ? If a prophet is never wrong why is it that Gordon b. Hinkley has said that the discrimination against black was part of history and never wants to discuss it ? If it were ok and holy he'd just explain it and everything would be ok right ?

[kmarc123]

Self rightious Christians make me as sick as self rightious Mormans. When you refer to Rev.22vs18 you ignorant fool, which bible are you refering to. There are dozens of differant translations and versions. All have either added or left out books or verses.

[ladyshar1984]

Thats abit un educated of you to speak of verses, if you read in NKJV, NIV, NLT, KJV, or any of those it'll be in there. Im not a self righteous Christian, its Christ who makes me right. I am not worthy of His grace and mercy yet He gives it to me and its available to anyone who accepts Him. i boast in the Lord, i dont boast in myself, He gives me breath i dont have a right to praise myself!Praise the Lord!

[1Nephi]

To all those who critisise the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We are a peaceful people critisise nobody for there seperate belefes...we all have free agency. Christ wouldnt want contention between faiths. Why have so many become so close minded towards chrisianity, a true christian strives for peace and a better world and yet people seem to think them insane! You may not belive in God...But if you dont beleve in something then what do you have to look forward to?

[poodledoodledude]

are you kidding?? you criticize ALL the time with 50,000 missionaries in the field telling EVERYONE that you alone have the truth....

[ladyshar1984]

I alone dont have the truth, God provides the truth with His word, and it jus does not at all in anyway coicide with the bible. you cant take parts of the bible you prefer to believe and other parts you dismiss, its jus wierd, very very wierd!

[1Nephi]

Prayer is a vary powerful tool that I have used countless times. Its due to prayer that I have such a strong testimony in my faith. I honestly challenge you to pray about it...not nessisarily ask if this church is true...just ask what the truest way is...you do that with a honest heart, I garentee you will get a answer...whatever it may be. It came to me in a sort of still small voice that was more comforting then anything else!

[ladyshar1984]

amen to that, thats all i gotta say. at the end of the day, im not saying im right im saying that the Word God gives is right and its visible to us in the bible. Im never ignorant to say ask ME, ask HIM your creator!

[ldsgirl1]

I completely agree with you and encourage other to pray deliberately with faith and you will receive an answer. I too have used prayer countless times and received an answer and help.

P.S.

I like your name =D

[myboysgirl]

all of what you said aside...it's not about you needing to be like us, or like them or whatever. it's about the mormon doctrine being false and nothing else. believe what you want but you are a fool if you believe the bom and joe smith. a fool.

[deazone]

Truth is entirely subjective. If someone wants to believe is something they will believe in it. We are all delusional beings.. Deal with it.. Please come up with something original for arguing against Mormons, you sound like a broken record.

-Atheist tired of Antitheist's "Enlightened BS"

[ichbinarbeiten]

Mormons are good people. they are good neighbors. They are good friends. They are good followers of a very destructive cult.  I was one of them. I used to hate it when people told me I was in a cult. I thought they were hateful and stupid. I am out and NOW I see it is a cult. It is hard to see that from within. If you want to know the truth, read LDS history. You will begin to see some very scary stuff.

[Auintr]

I agree. The only way to know the truth is by examining real historical sources, with an open mind. I have also come to terms with the truth, after being a member of the church all my life. It was very difficult to accept at first, but the facts are out there and they are plain and easy to understand. Letting go is hard, but it's worth it!

[globglob2]

LDS stands for Learning Disabled. The blank look on the faces of the followers of Joe Smith is the result of generations of gullible idiots breeding new followers. They are literally incapable of thinking for themselves, reason has been bred out, they have been bred to be followers.

[myboysgirl]

yes globglob! you are so right! more babies=more members! it's like they are a baby-making factory, but they only make babies to keep for themselves. greedy bastards. (haha)

[nomojoe]

Makes one wonder how people can continue to believe this stuff. Thanks,

SL