You christian guys remind me of the club scene in the movie 'Singles'. I think that A) you have an act, and B) not having an act is your act. Not flexing is your method of flexing. Get it? It's that simple. No, no, baby, not all men are like that, I'm smart and sensitive. Now please fuck me. It's no. Fucking. Different.
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA I'm really curious as to where healthyaddict herself stands on this issue. I'm not saying love doesn't exist or anything like that. I'm very happily married to a wonderful woman I have never once even come close to cheating on. What I'm saying is there's a simple supply and demand process going on her. The way I got her is by giving her what she wanted, so she picked me over the other guys who weren't quite right for her. All your BS about chivalry is you doing the same.
And yes, that includes your good friend, Mr. Sensitive, the guy you talk to about your jerk boyfriend because he's just so sensitive, you can confide in him. That's just his bullshit game to win you over. The second he thinks he has a chance, he'll be on it in a flash. The problem is that he's too pathetic to realize you'd never screw him in a million years. The only way around this is A) gay man or B) completely repulsive and unattractive woman, in which case positions may be reversed.
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: Well, LOLOL, thank you for proving my point with that response. You could have saved time and just said, "Yes, you are correct, I am nothing but an animal."
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: Apparently, if we are nothing but animals then murder is not wrong. Animals do it all the time. So me killing you would be just me following my animalistic desires. Logic is not your strong suit is it? o_O
How in the hell do you draw the conclusion that if we're animals, we have no standard of morality? Yes, animals engage in acts of violence, but typically they do not slaughter members of their own species. If you do, you probably get ostracized from the pack or herd or whatever. Kind of like people. You think animals have no standard of behavior? Logic is not your strong suit, is it?
To all young pretty girls out there: Everything a man says to you boils down to this: "I want to fuck you and I'm saying this because I think i'll advance that cause." Even that sweet, sensitive, just-wanna-be-friends metrosexual guy you know. If he's not gay, he's flexing his muscles at you. Some strut and act macho, others flaunt their brain and/or sensitivity. It's the same bullshit. Trust me, you'll understand some day when your looks go and men stop trying to impress you.
@TheCrushmaster uh-huh. You're not just saying that because you think you'll attract women by playing the non-chauvinist card. Gimme a break. you're out trolling for the woman of you're dreams just like the rest of us. Lie to women if you have to--lying is just part of human nature. But don't lie to yourself. It'll only hurt you in the end.
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA Chivalry is important to me because it's the right thing to do; it's in line with the principles of the Bible. God created woman (Eve) and gave her to the first man, Adam - His last creation. Man is to treat woman like the treasure that she is, and it has nothing to do with whether or not she's stunningly beautiful. That is completely irrelevant to chivalry.
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: TheCrushmaster is correct. Not all men are like that. Men who love God understand they were created by Him and For Him. This means honoring a woman because she is made in His image. I do find it interesting. The man who is without God? The Scriptures call him nothing but a mindless animal because he is only following what his sinful flesh tells him to do. Also, what a waste of existence. Living a life lying to women just for sex. Not caring about them. Worthless existence.
@theocratickingdom30 As the song says, "You take the high road, I'll take the low road, and I'll get to Scotland before ye." By the way, any woman with half a brain knows what you're saying is bullshit. Women use sex to get what they want, men use what they have to get sex. It's ebb and flow, and it isn't going to change. What you're doing is basically saying you're above this process to achieve the same result.
@TheCrushmaster I think we've met before, btw. I'm the jerk who goes home with the girl while you go home alone asking yourself, "Why doesn't she want a nice guy like me?" The answer is because she sees your bullshit chivalry act for what it is--just another sales pitch. I'm trying to help you here, bro.
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA A woman who thinks all chivalry is fake (though, in actuality, if it's fake, it's not chivalry) wouldn't be someone who I'd be interested in anyway, so your point is irrelevant. Not all women are like you describe, and neither are all men.
Ashley, if this nonsense accurately reflects your understanding of "chivalry" and related gender/relationship matters, you need to start over. Seriously.
So why are you wearing makeup and wearing a pretty little dress which is well known to cause men to find you more attractive hence you are, whether consciously or not, manipulating men here...
"it's harmful because reinforces these gender roles and ideas"
Indeed, it does do that - and that's not a bad thing.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you (someone please correct me if I am), but did you say chivalry lowered one's self-esteem (or could), like regarding looks and such? If so, the people in question (and you) have no idea what chivalry is. It's not about only treating beautiful women right, but all women right, regardless of how they look or act. It's Biblical.
I'm sorry, but there is such a thing as an inherent gender role & fighting against this fact of reality is futile. Men and women are fundamentally different, biologically & mentally. Men are typically stronger, less emotional & more sexually motivated. This isn't like fighting for racial equality. The weight of your rhetoric was directed towards men who you found fault in & you were preaching the idea that they should change their behavior... But nice guys finish last, so give us an incentive.
Chivalry towards women is best understood as a sub-topic of behaving like a gentleman. It is an outward display of basic manners and good character. It is not done to impress anyone; it is just a natural manifestation of your inward character. A gentleman doesn't show basic manners only towards women, but towards men as well. This is because "preferential treatment" or "sexist behvaiour" and showing deference to others are two completely different things.
the glass ceiling/pay gap is caused by differences in the motivators of men and women. Women are motivated by intangible rewards (work/life balance), men tangible (money and cars), shareholders want tangible returns and therefore value what men aspire to achieve, not women. On the same point, businesses are typically regarded as more commercially successful over rivals as a result of profit accumulation, not how many days off they give staff per year....just to clear that end point up (6:21).
If benevolent sexism actually cased everything from depression to body dysmorphia... there would be statistically significant higher rates of those disorders in certain patient populations.
Stuff like this video is why psychology students are required to take classes in statistics. It's why professors pound it into them that their is no such thing as an unbiased observer.
My boyfriend is VERY chivalrous and I adore that about him.
Some feminists take this whole feminism movement too far!
Women, do you REALLY want to be equal to men in EVERY respect? No!
In my household, we have traditional gender roles and I wouldn't have it any other way. Men and women are different and we should accept and embrace our differences and not try to be the same because guess what? We're not!
The earth is melting,radiation is pouring into the air and water,oil as well,we are edging closer to a nuclear/biological war,....AND YOU WANT TO KEEP UP THE SEXISM DIALOGUE !! OMG....we are lost.
@FinalJusticeMovement Well humanity doesn't have a lot of time left. But you are a cunt and will die as a cunt. As a woman I don't use that word lightly.You are batshit insane.Go fuck your vibrator because I know you have no one (male or female) in your wretched lonely impoverished existence.
ASS-ININE: "But you are a cunt and will die as a cunt. As a woman I don't use that word lightly." >> I didn't think you WOULD use that word lightly. Besides, it takes a c*nt to know one, right? By the way, automaton, since vibrators are YOUR specialty and REAL-LIFE intimacy with REAL women is my specialty, I'll leave the batteries and the machines to you, while I continue to serve your beloved feminism a nice thick dose of Justice Jism. (Even Gail Dines would LOVE it!) -FJ
Like she said, it's good to be egalitarian. And I agree with her with how benevolent sexism halts our progress as a society.
But the study she cited, with the male saying "ohay, I'll get them papers", was... extreme. I didn't see that as sexist at all. There's a major bias there against males; I can understand things like "oh, you shouldn't do anything; I must protect you, woman" being sexist, but not... getting something for her, especially if it benefits one person more (like being closer).
I'm not particularly educated on the subject and I'm sure I'm flogging a dead horse here ( I didn't read other comments), but I'll still do things like hold the door for my wife (or anyone else). Not because it is sexist or chivalrous, but because it is polite. I would expect the same of her. I help her carry the groceries too.
In all honesty, i would perceive the act of helping another person as just that. Helping someone else out just because you're a nice person isn't sexist, because i doubt many people are constantly thinking of the gender implications of such an act. I see women and men as equally capable beings; but based on someones individual ability to do something, ill either help them or i wont.
If : - "Here, let me get that for you...", is SEXIST?! Then you need serious help sis... g-DAMN?!
In THAT case... Why not START with teaching WOMEN to pick up MEN... and why not tell WOMEN to pick up their OWN FN BILL at restaurants. The day THAT happens, you would actually have a case versus chivalry...
Or why not start with women getting STONED TO DEATH in other countries for getting raped?
You are one decadent, people-hating beyatch... lol
who the fuck tells a girl to get out of the kitchen? ARE YOU INSANE WOMAN ? So, i don't like to be sexist go back to the kitchen,make me a sandwich,take care of the kids,if you have then go to work,get some food in the house,make something to eat,while i watch TV, if you disturb me, i'll call you a feminist,and you don't respect me as a man ! If a guy needs to be good to a girl,to protect HER !! it's like, hey, i won't take a bullet for you darling,you're woman enough.i don't want to be sexist!
I also predict the same effect being pronounced if this study should be conducted with a role reversal. I have witnessed men being the subject of ridicule (from both sexes even) for either letting a woman do more work or being helped by a woman and I think this seems to be a general perception among men which may cause a self image hit. Stereotypes aside, I am inclined to think strongly independent individuals will not experience much of a self perception hit in such a scenario.
I would suggest that the increased body self surveillance might never happen with a female body builder being the respondent.
If I am right on this, then it is not the benevolent sexism that begets all of the follow on effects but the the respondent's own opinion of her physical stature.
If you have ever met a few female Marines you know this does not have to be the case; those I have worked with are about as tough and independent as their male counterparts in any situation.
But how can you tell the difference between benevolent sexism and people just being nice? I'm a girl and I deal with guys offering me first place in line and offering to carry heavy things all the time. I've had it happen before (because it's a place I volunteer different people come in every day) Where I turn them down adamantly like I always do and then hurt the guys feeling because he'd do it for anyone :\
@TheEbonchi Perhaps something to the effect of "Thanks, but I'd like to do it myself". I am inclined to be helpful to anyone and I certainly would not be offended if you turned down assistance in this way.
But keep in mind that a person's feelings are their own, if you turn them down they can choose to interpret that as negative/rejection and feel bad about it or they can choose to interpret it as a simply neutral/help not needed and feel fine. Either way, they make the choice on how to feel.
Men: now that chivalry is considered to be benevolent sexism, boycott the following:
dates, movies, dinners, vacations, Valentine's Day, Sweetest Day, shopping, buying drinks & offering any type of assistance to any woman born in any western country like America, Canada, the UK, Australia & Sweden.
Reserve your chivalry for women in Russia, the Philipines, Brazil, Colombia and Costa Rica. Fuck these western whores, they're too stupid & selfish to appreciate and reciprocate decent men.
@ApollosInsight If you "reserve" your chivalry for only certain people, then you have no idea what chivalry is. Chivalry is about treating all women right, whether they appreciate or not.
@TheCrushmaster "Chivalry is about treating all women right, whether they appreciate or not."
Sorry to say this, but I don't bow down to female supremacy bullshit. Being chivalrous now is considered to be sexist towards women in the western anglosphere. My chivalry has a special place for women of Russia, Southeast Asia, Latin America & Middle East. Fuck women from America, Canada, Australia & Sweden. All you cunts love deferring to assholes while throwing decent men under the bus for kicks.
@rissa206 Ever see a guy get "no balls"'d by his peers or become the subject of ridicule because a female was better at something (really anything at all) than he. These are just a couple top of the head examples of how men too can be pushed into specific roles that the individual may not choose on their own.
@AndreisEntaro while that is unfortunate dilemma it isn't a negative impact of institutional sexism. while your pride and self esteem are damaged a man is still more likely to be employed and more wealthy and less likely to endure abuse and rape. Don't worry i'm not being and asshole I'm asking her to sharpen up her argument.
@rissa206 You are correct to point out the societal effects, I mention the mental/emotional ways in which men might be said to suffer from sexism only because that was the focus of the video. I quite agree that women are still getting the short end of the stick in this system. However, if we dismiss the negative effects for men, it simply makes it harder for men to care about sexism. I think sexism should properly be viewed as bad for everyone.
@FinalJusticeMovement "who's getting the BIG end of it?" In order to understand "women are still getting the short end of the stick" you must include it with "However, if we dismiss the negative effects for men, it simply makes it harder for men to care about sexism".
You claim to have read the entire post, but demonstrate that you failed to understand it. It will not do to read whatever you want out of a post and try to respond to that, you will only mis-communicate.
Once at the mall I held the door open for an elderly woman I think she thaught I was being sexist because she gave me a dirty look and opened the next door over. I hold the door open for everybody coming in.
Exactly. Just because a guy helps a girl doesn't mean it is a sexist act.
Her first portrayal is suited to fit within her argument, with the reason being "your hands are too pretty and small" but it could just as well have been "You cooked dinner, I need to do my fair share." or "Oh hey your favorite show is about to come on, go watch it I'll take care of the dishes." No longer having the reason being sexism. Without her bias her argument fails.
Ugly women are like Christians. Just like everything comes from God for Christians everything comes from Sexism for ugly women. Yes, other people have different world views than you have. Deal with it.
baby i think we men approach things differently then ladies.but we complete each other.just like moon and earth.where moon is men trying to speed away and earth is women pulling him with its gravity hence the centrifugal force of love and sharing keep them in this dance till eternity.but if we the men can be half as caring as you ladies,most of the world suffering would end.
what is that man doing?!? sending his woman out of the kitchen? for shame.
All joking aside, I have actually had 2 relationships where I kept chivalry to a minimum. The results are what any man would expect, a "lame" short relationship. In the other 4 where I am my normal chivalrous self, they lasted well past the 12 month mark and ended for reasons outside of our control. Perhaps the issue is chivalry outside of a sexual relationship.
Sexism is thinking one sex is better or worse than another (or the other, depending on your view). What you put as 'sexist' is not actually sexist, though is often a result of sexism.
The 'benevolent sexism' bit you say I particularly have a problem with, because it's just a nice thing to do half the time and is not always because of sexist views.
So then do you think it is sexist if a woman has a baby because a man cannot or if a man gets a hard on because a woman cannot? Is it kinda like they woman saying this is what I can do because of my gender or vice versa. Seems that the way you are going with this that it can easily be extended to that. It is like you are saying only if we pretend women and men are exactly the same are we not sexist, so if one biological function only one gender can perform then that is sexist to you.
You could also say that chivalry is a form of sexism against men just as easily. That men are programmed to believe that must do things for women, pay for things, and that there self image suffers if they don't (being made fun of by other men, other women looking down on men who don't do these things for their girlfriend/spouse). That the preference for being a tall, strong, male who can take care of and protect is a form of sexism. Btw, I normally agree with your views, just not this one.
A 2007-2008 study done by the credit industry showed that, on the "pay gap", taking into account factors othen then gender. Accounting for location, size of company, job duties, educational level, etc. The study found that when other factors are held constant (same size company, same job responisibilities, etc.) there was NO pay gap, and women even held a slight edge. I am just being a devil's advocate here, I agree sexism exists, just not nearly to the extent that you do.
Which is more sexist and disadvantageous for women, a society with a strong concept of chilvary or one without? Let's take a sample case, say Canada for the Western, chilvary based ideal, and Japan, a country with little to no concept of chilvary (bushido is not the same thing). Similar tech levels, similar standards of living, Japan has even passed a version of the Equal Rights Amendment which the US never did. Yet hard to argue that women in Japan occupy a lower social and financial position.
Benevolent sexism has no place in places like employment or school but when a male & female are out on a date and he is trying to court her, I don't see a problem with a little chivalry as long as he doesn't make her feel belittled or incompetent or "fragile". Even thought our society is changing even with the most independent woman I think we still expect some gender roles in a relationship. There is no problem with a man saying let me do that you go relax etc, as long as it is sincere.
Yes, the concept of chivalry is sexist. I've always noticed. In a way that's bad for both women and men. Men are expected to be chivalrous and strong, knights, warriors. If a man is dainty and needs help with things, he is considered a man of lesser value. By both men and women. The idea "boys don't cry", which is very widely taught, beginning at a very young age, is just as sexist and damaging to society as "women can't take care of themselves".
Wait.. you made a leap from picking something up for someone to body self image to depression and all this other bad stuff..that is oversimplifying things a lot. Someone with a negative body self image will have depression, offering to pick something up for them or otherwise reminding them of their negative body self image is not the cause of it.
People seem to get their panties in a bunch over this video. She never said helping out woman for the sake of good manners is sexist. If you treat a woman any differently, whether you think it's good or bad, is *sexist*. Do we really need to define sexism here? Instead of focusing on debunking extreme feminist, which are not prevalent here on YouTube. Let's focus on the anti-feminists whose egos and manhood are blocking their logic.
Sexism is some made up word that was made up to try to justify the notion that women are losing out in the workforce.Nobody cared about sexism until the Industrial Revolution brought about increasing employment of women. Women try to make the point that it is because they are the weaker sex that they are being disadvantaged. Sexism has crossed over from the workforce, to the home, to the way men behave in general, to everything a man does and says and to say it is annoying is an understatement.
Chivalry, when done right, is a selfless act of kindness. Although mostly associated with male-female relationships, it could be applied to adult-child or adult-elderly relationships.
It can benefit the self esteem of a man to be useful/helpful. Likewise, it can hurt a man's self esteem to be prevented from being useful/helpful. Acting gentlemanly is how I was raised and I think that society is better off for it than any female's psychological harmed in the process.
If you understood that sexism against men exists, you would obtain examples, I have been a victim. Ashley, how are you, someone who is intellegent, not fucking appauled by modern day feminism, It is dangerous to the 40% of cases of domestic violence against men by their abusive wives. I think its a little appauling you would be apart of a movement like feminism, personally i think we should fight for the rights of everyone, instead of looking through a single fucking window
@georgelopezblows I'm extremely against traditional gender roles. I think any roles based on gender, race or anything else like that are wrong. People have the right to do what they want and are good at, even if it is not typical. And really I'd like to argue that 16 year olds tend to be in baby making mode...but I don't see the entitlement complex your talking about. Sure older people have older values. I'd have to see someone actually go through that change...
It's not that chivalry is bad, it's that you have over-priced yourself. Chivalry is a mechanism to raise the status of women that the market cannot do. Without chivalry, men simply dump a fuck into women thoughtlessly, like a pig. Chivalry is actually bad for men, because we'd rather just fuck you and move on to another woman.
The problem I see here is that extremists can take every single female-male interaction and label it either benevolent or hostile sexism... of course I do believe either can be a problem but where do you draw the limits?
i have never seen a video so heavily produced and yet... so utterly failed in execution.
not only does it fail to communicate its message (what ever that may be) it also... misses the point, misrepresents the point, is slightly insulting and incourages the neglect of basic human decency.
@SolitudesGrace i find it hard to believe you managed that conclusion from this video.... unless ofcourse you simple read the tag line, didnt watch the vid and then punched out your own sychophantic comment.
@MpowerdAPE For your information, I have learned that benevolent sexism is harmful well before I watched this video; which, by the way, I did watch. Furthermore, I am unable to see how my statement is inconsistent with this videos message. The support she offered in this video backs up my claim. In the first study, the participants perceived the same female interviewee as being less competent when she was interviewed by the benevolently sexist interviewer.
People help people that they like / want to curry favour with - you're giving the results but you're missing the mechanism of what's going on. There are reasons for these behaviours - and they are unfair but that's life. Being eaten is unfair to the eaten but necessary for the eater, for e.g.
@georgelopezblows ever even paying for guys (2 of them were male) to go to the movies with me. So I told him that I do what's right no matter the gender, and I don't accept sexism as part of my life. He still attacks me for it, 5 years later, but I still stand by that decision, and use it to show everyone I will not accept sexism)
@georgelopezblows I haven't been on a date yet. But I do pay for my friends and family if they need it, and if not I pay for myself, and if I don't have money with me I expect them to repay me by having my back then. I also expect the same when it comes to dates, and I've been very clear with my bf about it. My dad on the other hand hates that I pay for anything (I had a $20 and paid 4 friends to go to the movies, and they paid me back after to avoid having to pay individually, he hated me for
Basically, women want it both ways when it's to their advantage. If you want to see sexism go away, women will have to decide on which way they want to be treated all the time. Until all women agree on that, quityerbitchin.
I used to be a sexist so I can attest to the claim that a benevolent sexist interviewer might hire the woman because she's innocent and kind (good placement for customer service?) but won't be able to handle anything complicated (basically, a child). That thinking increases regarding women who act "cute" (pleasantly diminutive) and wear makeup, high heels, a dress, etcetera. But it is not often (or as much) applied to makeup-less, confident (in a "capable" sense), serious-looking, mature women.
I think that the problem then, is not that being chivalrous towards women is sexist, rather that women's self-esteem is so fragile that even being in the presence of what you call sexism causes them to feel insecure. It's silly to act as though there are no differences between men and women. You use your body language at 6.43 on - the hair toss, the increased eye movement, in a way no man ever would. Nothing wrong, but we ARE different, and it's okay to be treated that way, so long as it's fair.
@matbroomfield It's not fair to say that I can't help out by taking boxes and chairs in the hall when the teacher asks it to be done because I'm a girl and in her words "we need big strong men to do it, not girls that just wanna help out"
That's not at all fair, and it's not fair to say women need stuff done for them and not help men out too. It's not okay to have different demands for the same job, nor different pay for the same job w/ same requirements
@XXBleedingrose Women ARE physically weaker. Fact. Biology 101. That doesn't mean you should be treated like cripples. If the chairs weighed 100 pounds each, then yeah, get one of the guys to do it.
Different demands for the same job? Well, it depends - if you work in a warehouse, I think it's reasonable that you are not expected to lift as much, but you could argue the same for weak men. Same pay for same job? Yes, absolutely, because that IS fair.
It's all kind of perplexing. So she's perceived as less competent from a female,third person point of view? But isn't it the interviewer who does the relevant evaluation and decision to hire her?
And "I'll get that for you" increases "body self-surveillance"? again, in a third person? Does it increase enough to cause all that slippery slope of bad effects you mentioned?
Seems the research isn't available on the interwebz though.
Chivalry is a term related to the medieval institution of knighthood which has an aristocratic military origin of individual training and service to others. Has nothing to do with Gender...
hmmm maybe holding a door open is a bad example....
Funny, I hold doors open for whoever is behind me if I'm out in public...just a common courtesy I have...
then again, a lot of what is called "chivalry" is pretty damn stereotypical and condescending. I don't think this is what true chivalry is...but rather a false caricature of it that got passed down over the ages...good example: brown-nosing with the boss...
chivarly sucks? i guess is shuld not open doors to men ither. allso so what if i want in their pants? its not like barfing and farting is gonna turn them on so chivarly and politness it is. yes, i am damn sovinist when picking my sex partner. i like women. allso i dont about america, but in our country we open doors to both men and women alike. its common curtesy to say"afther you"
@RockinthaUSA True, The sexes have different body parts. We should respect other people the way that we should want to be treated. I would say that it is a problem because of tradition and brainwashing, just like rascism and intolearance towards a different ethnic group. Our primitive ancestors were ignorant of a lot of things. We should be furthur advanced than them.
@Naruto67ful It's not that opening a door for a woman is inherently sexist - it's the *context* behind it. Like if you only open doors for women and never for men, or if you're doing it out of the patronizing attitude that women are some how weaker than men and need to be helped to get along in the world but men don't.
You know, Ashley mentioned that distinction in her video so I don't uderstand people like Naruto67ful completely miss the point. Why did it go over your head?
thinking it through a bit more, the reason I said 'easily capable of doing herself' is because there are obviously instances involving carrying where the man is better suited to the task because he is bigger and stronger. And that will continually recur because of the fairly large average size and strength difference between men and woman.
I'll just express what I got from it: doing something for a woman because she is a woman, especially when a woman is easily capable of doing it herself, subtly reinforces the old gender stereotypes about woman being weaker and less capable and that could affect a woman's self-image and confidence. I do believe we humans are susceptible to these sublte signals.
@CoryAlbrecht well according to this woman's logic, being helpful implys an attitude of superiority, so i'm just going to go all out here and say that being nice is bad and in the future i will refrain from doing so, I mean What the fuck!
@guyamus Then how about you actually deconstruct HealthyAddict's claim and show how it is absurd. Because if it is absurd, it should be easy for you to show that, right? You should be able to show how holding the door open, for example, only for women and not for men is not sexist, yes? You should be able to show me that chivalry is not predicated on the idea that women are weak, incapable of competently doing things for themselves and thus need to be helped with everything.
You christian guys remind me of the club scene in the movie 'Singles'. I think that A) you have an act, and B) not having an act is your act. Not flexing is your method of flexing. Get it? It's that simple. No, no, baby, not all men are like that, I'm smart and sensitive. Now please fuck me. It's no. Fucking. Different.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA I'm really curious as to where healthyaddict herself stands on this issue. I'm not saying love doesn't exist or anything like that. I'm very happily married to a wonderful woman I have never once even come close to cheating on. What I'm saying is there's a simple supply and demand process going on her. The way I got her is by giving her what she wanted, so she picked me over the other guys who weren't quite right for her. All your BS about chivalry is you doing the same.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
And yes, that includes your good friend, Mr. Sensitive, the guy you talk to about your jerk boyfriend because he's just so sensitive, you can confide in him. That's just his bullshit game to win you over. The second he thinks he has a chance, he'll be on it in a flash. The problem is that he's too pathetic to realize you'd never screw him in a million years. The only way around this is A) gay man or B) completely repulsive and unattractive woman, in which case positions may be reversed.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: Well, LOLOL, thank you for proving my point with that response. You could have saved time and just said, "Yes, you are correct, I am nothing but an animal."
theocratickingdom30 3 days ago
@theocratickingdom30 Yes, I am nothing but an animal. What you don't realize is that you are, too.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: Apparently, if we are nothing but animals then murder is not wrong. Animals do it all the time. So me killing you would be just me following my animalistic desires. Logic is not your strong suit is it? o_O
theocratickingdom30 3 days ago
How in the hell do you draw the conclusion that if we're animals, we have no standard of morality? Yes, animals engage in acts of violence, but typically they do not slaughter members of their own species. If you do, you probably get ostracized from the pack or herd or whatever. Kind of like people. You think animals have no standard of behavior? Logic is not your strong suit, is it?
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@theocratickingdom30
watch?v=vyd6om8IC4M
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA How much you want to bet this guy brings up Hitler next?
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
To all young pretty girls out there: Everything a man says to you boils down to this: "I want to fuck you and I'm saying this because I think i'll advance that cause." Even that sweet, sensitive, just-wanna-be-friends metrosexual guy you know. If he's not gay, he's flexing his muscles at you. Some strut and act macho, others flaunt their brain and/or sensitivity. It's the same bullshit. Trust me, you'll understand some day when your looks go and men stop trying to impress you.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA In other words, chivalry is a fraud.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 4 days ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA Some "men" may be like that, but real, chivalrous, Christian men aren't. That's not chivalry, that's self-servitude.
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@TheCrushmaster uh-huh. You're not just saying that because you think you'll attract women by playing the non-chauvinist card. Gimme a break. you're out trolling for the woman of you're dreams just like the rest of us. Lie to women if you have to--lying is just part of human nature. But don't lie to yourself. It'll only hurt you in the end.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA Chivalry is important to me because it's the right thing to do; it's in line with the principles of the Bible. God created woman (Eve) and gave her to the first man, Adam - His last creation. Man is to treat woman like the treasure that she is, and it has nothing to do with whether or not she's stunningly beautiful. That is completely irrelevant to chivalry.
Not all men are self-serving.
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA: TheCrushmaster is correct. Not all men are like that. Men who love God understand they were created by Him and For Him. This means honoring a woman because she is made in His image. I do find it interesting. The man who is without God? The Scriptures call him nothing but a mindless animal because he is only following what his sinful flesh tells him to do. Also, what a waste of existence. Living a life lying to women just for sex. Not caring about them. Worthless existence.
theocratickingdom30 3 days ago
@theocratickingdom30 As the song says, "You take the high road, I'll take the low road, and I'll get to Scotland before ye." By the way, any woman with half a brain knows what you're saying is bullshit. Women use sex to get what they want, men use what they have to get sex. It's ebb and flow, and it isn't going to change. What you're doing is basically saying you're above this process to achieve the same result.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA "...any woman with half a brain..." May I ask how you know this? What's your evidence?
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@TheCrushmaster go ask one.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA Most I know would probably respond opposite to what you think. So what does that prove?
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@TheCrushmaster I think we've met before, btw. I'm the jerk who goes home with the girl while you go home alone asking yourself, "Why doesn't she want a nice guy like me?" The answer is because she sees your bullshit chivalry act for what it is--just another sales pitch. I'm trying to help you here, bro.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
@YourDogIsDeadHAHA A woman who thinks all chivalry is fake (though, in actuality, if it's fake, it's not chivalry) wouldn't be someone who I'd be interested in anyway, so your point is irrelevant. Not all women are like you describe, and neither are all men.
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
Ashley, if this nonsense accurately reflects your understanding of "chivalry" and related gender/relationship matters, you need to start over. Seriously.
TheBrainFromArous 4 days ago
Chivalry? What is wrong with it? People really need to get a life.
iamstarstuff001 5 days ago
Sexism?
So why are you wearing makeup and wearing a pretty little dress which is well known to cause men to find you more attractive hence you are, whether consciously or not, manipulating men here...
jagara1 5 days ago
"it's harmful because reinforces these gender roles and ideas"
Indeed, it does do that - and that's not a bad thing.
Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you (someone please correct me if I am), but did you say chivalry lowered one's self-esteem (or could), like regarding looks and such? If so, the people in question (and you) have no idea what chivalry is. It's not about only treating beautiful women right, but all women right, regardless of how they look or act. It's Biblical.
TheCrushmaster 6 days ago
@TheCrushmaster: Hey, don't bring logic into this. :-/
theocratickingdom30 6 days ago
@theocratickingdom30 My apologies. ;-)
TheCrushmaster 6 days ago
You never gave an objective to reason as to why it is bad. You cannot base morality on what you think is beneficial to you.
theocratickingdom30 6 days ago
i love religious antagonist! fuck yeah he can do my dishes anytime
theyforcedmetosignup 1 week ago
On a sinking ship, would you have any problem with women and children first?
noah9673 1 week ago
I'm sorry, but there is such a thing as an inherent gender role & fighting against this fact of reality is futile. Men and women are fundamentally different, biologically & mentally. Men are typically stronger, less emotional & more sexually motivated. This isn't like fighting for racial equality. The weight of your rhetoric was directed towards men who you found fault in & you were preaching the idea that they should change their behavior... But nice guys finish last, so give us an incentive.
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Chivalry towards women is best understood as a sub-topic of behaving like a gentleman. It is an outward display of basic manners and good character. It is not done to impress anyone; it is just a natural manifestation of your inward character. A gentleman doesn't show basic manners only towards women, but towards men as well. This is because "preferential treatment" or "sexist behvaiour" and showing deference to others are two completely different things.
nemoliberestquicorpo 2 weeks ago 8
the glass ceiling/pay gap is caused by differences in the motivators of men and women. Women are motivated by intangible rewards (work/life balance), men tangible (money and cars), shareholders want tangible returns and therefore value what men aspire to achieve, not women. On the same point, businesses are typically regarded as more commercially successful over rivals as a result of profit accumulation, not how many days off they give staff per year....just to clear that end point up (6:21).
TheClarko1234 2 weeks ago
FUCK GENDER ROLES!
kingblackhart 2 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Isnt it sexist to use research that just pertains to woman?
OverFlamd1054 3 weeks ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Get your ass to bed, I'll fuck you later!
MegaFreeman09 3 weeks ago
If benevolent sexism actually cased everything from depression to body dysmorphia... there would be statistically significant higher rates of those disorders in certain patient populations.
Stuff like this video is why psychology students are required to take classes in statistics. It's why professors pound it into them that their is no such thing as an unbiased observer.
tsama206 3 weeks ago in playlist Sexism 101 2
I'm a woman.
My boyfriend is VERY chivalrous and I adore that about him.
Some feminists take this whole feminism movement too far!
Women, do you REALLY want to be equal to men in EVERY respect? No!
In my household, we have traditional gender roles and I wouldn't have it any other way. Men and women are different and we should accept and embrace our differences and not try to be the same because guess what? We're not!
KelzLife 4 weeks ago
Thank you I've been complaining about sexist chivalry for years!
Camoool 1 month ago
Benevolent sexism never helped ANYONE.
And as such, women DO NOT deserve any more privilege or
respect than men do in ANY situation. Heavy groceries?
She's GOING TO carry some.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 1 month ago
yeah this one was a fail, oh someone did something nice for me. fkn sexist...
hostyle0 1 month ago
The earth is melting,radiation is pouring into the air and water,oil as well,we are edging closer to a nuclear/biological war,....AND YOU WANT TO KEEP UP THE SEXISM DIALOGUE !! OMG....we are lost.
justcallmeassinine 1 month ago
Did you think the gender war wasn't connected
to the wars that are to come, Assinine,
or did you not know that even a sociological war
counts as a war? Indeed, we ARE lost.
More importantly, we are doomed... forever.
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 1 month ago
@FinalJusticeMovement Well humanity doesn't have a lot of time left. But you are a cunt and will die as a cunt. As a woman I don't use that word lightly.You are batshit insane.Go fuck your vibrator because I know you have no one (male or female) in your wretched lonely impoverished existence.
justcallmeassinine 1 month ago
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FinalJusticeMovement 1 month ago
so if a women slaps me, I should punch her in the face and knock her teeth out, because that's what i would do if a man slapped me
stupid bitch
haydenslaymaker 1 month ago
Like she said, it's good to be egalitarian. And I agree with her with how benevolent sexism halts our progress as a society.
But the study she cited, with the male saying "ohay, I'll get them papers", was... extreme. I didn't see that as sexist at all. There's a major bias there against males; I can understand things like "oh, you shouldn't do anything; I must protect you, woman" being sexist, but not... getting something for her, especially if it benefits one person more (like being closer).
onorebakasama 1 month ago
LOOK AT HER EYES. SHEEZ ONE DEM DER LIZARD SPACE PEOPLE.
VOTE RON PAUL
DrSatanAIDS 1 month ago
I'm not particularly educated on the subject and I'm sure I'm flogging a dead horse here ( I didn't read other comments), but I'll still do things like hold the door for my wife (or anyone else). Not because it is sexist or chivalrous, but because it is polite. I would expect the same of her. I help her carry the groceries too.
ntanner77 1 month ago
@healthyaddict
A complete and utter pwnage of this lame, deranged video...
watch?v=U6oU8p8ik_I
ydyammo 1 month ago
In all honesty, i would perceive the act of helping another person as just that. Helping someone else out just because you're a nice person isn't sexist, because i doubt many people are constantly thinking of the gender implications of such an act. I see women and men as equally capable beings; but based on someones individual ability to do something, ill either help them or i wont.
TheGrizzlyBand 1 month ago
@healthyaddict
Are you trolling?
If : - "Here, let me get that for you...", is SEXIST?! Then you need serious help sis... g-DAMN?!
In THAT case... Why not START with teaching WOMEN to pick up MEN... and why not tell WOMEN to pick up their OWN FN BILL at restaurants. The day THAT happens, you would actually have a case versus chivalry...
Or why not start with women getting STONED TO DEATH in other countries for getting raped?
You are one decadent, people-hating beyatch... lol
ydyammo 1 month ago
chivalry gives me purpose
Headoffury 1 month ago
I'm a girl and I love chivalry....
bandgeek5353 1 month ago
who the fuck tells a girl to get out of the kitchen? ARE YOU INSANE WOMAN ? So, i don't like to be sexist go back to the kitchen,make me a sandwich,take care of the kids,if you have then go to work,get some food in the house,make something to eat,while i watch TV, if you disturb me, i'll call you a feminist,and you don't respect me as a man ! If a guy needs to be good to a girl,to protect HER !! it's like, hey, i won't take a bullet for you darling,you're woman enough.i don't want to be sexist!
ziatco 1 month ago
@healthyaddict
I also predict the same effect being pronounced if this study should be conducted with a role reversal. I have witnessed men being the subject of ridicule (from both sexes even) for either letting a woman do more work or being helped by a woman and I think this seems to be a general perception among men which may cause a self image hit. Stereotypes aside, I am inclined to think strongly independent individuals will not experience much of a self perception hit in such a scenario.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
@healthyaddict
I would suggest that the increased body self surveillance might never happen with a female body builder being the respondent.
If I am right on this, then it is not the benevolent sexism that begets all of the follow on effects but the the respondent's own opinion of her physical stature.
If you have ever met a few female Marines you know this does not have to be the case; those I have worked with are about as tough and independent as their male counterparts in any situation.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
But how can you tell the difference between benevolent sexism and people just being nice? I'm a girl and I deal with guys offering me first place in line and offering to carry heavy things all the time. I've had it happen before (because it's a place I volunteer different people come in every day) Where I turn them down adamantly like I always do and then hurt the guys feeling because he'd do it for anyone :\
TheEbonchi 1 month ago
@TheEbonchi Perhaps something to the effect of "Thanks, but I'd like to do it myself". I am inclined to be helpful to anyone and I certainly would not be offended if you turned down assistance in this way.
But keep in mind that a person's feelings are their own, if you turn them down they can choose to interpret that as negative/rejection and feel bad about it or they can choose to interpret it as a simply neutral/help not needed and feel fine. Either way, they make the choice on how to feel.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
Men: now that chivalry is considered to be benevolent sexism, boycott the following:
dates, movies, dinners, vacations, Valentine's Day, Sweetest Day, shopping, buying drinks & offering any type of assistance to any woman born in any western country like America, Canada, the UK, Australia & Sweden.
Reserve your chivalry for women in Russia, the Philipines, Brazil, Colombia and Costa Rica. Fuck these western whores, they're too stupid & selfish to appreciate and reciprocate decent men.
ApollosInsight 1 month ago 2
@ApollosInsight If you "reserve" your chivalry for only certain people, then you have no idea what chivalry is. Chivalry is about treating all women right, whether they appreciate or not.
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@TheCrushmaster Appreciate it, or not...Sorry, typo.
TheCrushmaster 3 days ago
@TheCrushmaster You've got a great career of banging fat girls awaiting you.
YourDogIsDeadHAHA 3 days ago
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@TheCrushmaster "Chivalry is about treating all women right, whether they appreciate or not."
Sorry to say this, but I don't bow down to female supremacy bullshit. Being chivalrous now is considered to be sexist towards women in the western anglosphere. My chivalry has a special place for women of Russia, Southeast Asia, Latin America & Middle East. Fuck women from America, Canada, Australia & Sweden. All you cunts love deferring to assholes while throwing decent men under the bus for kicks.
ApollosInsight 2 days ago
How do men suffer from sexism( institutionally) if women are the less powerful in this system? Are you saying that men suffer from the system?
rissa206 1 month ago
@rissa206 Ever see a guy get "no balls"'d by his peers or become the subject of ridicule because a female was better at something (really anything at all) than he. These are just a couple top of the head examples of how men too can be pushed into specific roles that the individual may not choose on their own.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
@AndreisEntaro while that is unfortunate dilemma it isn't a negative impact of institutional sexism. while your pride and self esteem are damaged a man is still more likely to be employed and more wealthy and less likely to endure abuse and rape. Don't worry i'm not being and asshole I'm asking her to sharpen up her argument.
rissa206 1 month ago
@rissa206 You are correct to point out the societal effects, I mention the mental/emotional ways in which men might be said to suffer from sexism only because that was the focus of the video. I quite agree that women are still getting the short end of the stick in this system. However, if we dismiss the negative effects for men, it simply makes it harder for men to care about sexism. I think sexism should properly be viewed as bad for everyone.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
ANDREIS ENTARO:
"I quite agree that women are still getting the
short end of the stick in this system."
>> (Keep in mind, I have read the ENTIRE post, but I wanted to
draw attention to this ONE particular quote with this question):
If women are "STILL" getting the short end of the systematic stick...
who's getting the BIG end of it?... Aliens?... Animals?...Insects?
--The Final Justice
FinalJusticeMovement 1 month ago
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@FinalJusticeMovement "who's getting the BIG end of it?" In order to understand "women are still getting the short end of the stick" you must include it with "However, if we dismiss the negative effects for men, it simply makes it harder for men to care about sexism".
You claim to have read the entire post, but demonstrate that you failed to understand it. It will not do to read whatever you want out of a post and try to respond to that, you will only mis-communicate.
AndreisEntaro 1 month ago
Once at the mall I held the door open for an elderly woman I think she thaught I was being sexist because she gave me a dirty look and opened the next door over. I hold the door open for everybody coming in.
matcoolguy 1 month ago
How about if the woman did the cooking and the guy is just trying to be nice and giving her a break?
HimesInu 1 month ago
@HimesInu
Exactly. Just because a guy helps a girl doesn't mean it is a sexist act.
Her first portrayal is suited to fit within her argument, with the reason being "your hands are too pretty and small" but it could just as well have been "You cooked dinner, I need to do my fair share." or "Oh hey your favorite show is about to come on, go watch it I'll take care of the dishes." No longer having the reason being sexism. Without her bias her argument fails.
MrImmoli 1 month ago
Ugly women are like Christians. Just like everything comes from God for Christians everything comes from Sexism for ugly women. Yes, other people have different world views than you have. Deal with it.
CynLibSoc 2 months ago
Hmm, i've never heard the argument presented like this before. don't agree 100% but 1:46 cracked me up. xD
gabumonfanclubx 2 months ago
baby i think we men approach things differently then ladies.but we complete each other.just like moon and earth.where moon is men trying to speed away and earth is women pulling him with its gravity hence the centrifugal force of love and sharing keep them in this dance till eternity.but if we the men can be half as caring as you ladies,most of the world suffering would end.
armourdaddy805 2 months ago
what is that man doing?!? sending his woman out of the kitchen? for shame.
All joking aside, I have actually had 2 relationships where I kept chivalry to a minimum. The results are what any man would expect, a "lame" short relationship. In the other 4 where I am my normal chivalrous self, they lasted well past the 12 month mark and ended for reasons outside of our control. Perhaps the issue is chivalry outside of a sexual relationship.
hiphopguy0 2 months ago
If everyone is sexist, then the term becomes meaningless. Think about it.
tml4873 2 months ago 3
Not everyone is sexist.
Sexism is thinking one sex is better or worse than another (or the other, depending on your view). What you put as 'sexist' is not actually sexist, though is often a result of sexism.
The 'benevolent sexism' bit you say I particularly have a problem with, because it's just a nice thing to do half the time and is not always because of sexist views.
chibiariel 2 months ago 2
"There is still a decent pay wage gap between men and women". Look into the work of Dr. Warren farrell.
johnman1911 2 months ago
So then do you think it is sexist if a woman has a baby because a man cannot or if a man gets a hard on because a woman cannot? Is it kinda like they woman saying this is what I can do because of my gender or vice versa. Seems that the way you are going with this that it can easily be extended to that. It is like you are saying only if we pretend women and men are exactly the same are we not sexist, so if one biological function only one gender can perform then that is sexist to you.
johnman1911 2 months ago
The majority of research we have is on sexism against women not sexism against men. Isn't that sexist?
johnman1911 2 months ago 2
Scientism.
AkivaII 2 months ago
Chivalry sucks up until women need there fridge moved for free.
Elififa 2 months ago
You could also say that chivalry is a form of sexism against men just as easily. That men are programmed to believe that must do things for women, pay for things, and that there self image suffers if they don't (being made fun of by other men, other women looking down on men who don't do these things for their girlfriend/spouse). That the preference for being a tall, strong, male who can take care of and protect is a form of sexism. Btw, I normally agree with your views, just not this one.
nicksjames1 2 months ago 18
A 2007-2008 study done by the credit industry showed that, on the "pay gap", taking into account factors othen then gender. Accounting for location, size of company, job duties, educational level, etc. The study found that when other factors are held constant (same size company, same job responisibilities, etc.) there was NO pay gap, and women even held a slight edge. I am just being a devil's advocate here, I agree sexism exists, just not nearly to the extent that you do.
nicksjames1 2 months ago
Which is more sexist and disadvantageous for women, a society with a strong concept of chilvary or one without? Let's take a sample case, say Canada for the Western, chilvary based ideal, and Japan, a country with little to no concept of chilvary (bushido is not the same thing). Similar tech levels, similar standards of living, Japan has even passed a version of the Equal Rights Amendment which the US never did. Yet hard to argue that women in Japan occupy a lower social and financial position.
nicksjames1 2 months ago
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Benevolent sexism has no place in places like employment or school but when a male & female are out on a date and he is trying to court her, I don't see a problem with a little chivalry as long as he doesn't make her feel belittled or incompetent or "fragile". Even thought our society is changing even with the most independent woman I think we still expect some gender roles in a relationship. There is no problem with a man saying let me do that you go relax etc, as long as it is sincere.
xZemmax 2 months ago
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xZemmax 2 months ago
Yes, the concept of chivalry is sexist. I've always noticed. In a way that's bad for both women and men. Men are expected to be chivalrous and strong, knights, warriors. If a man is dainty and needs help with things, he is considered a man of lesser value. By both men and women. The idea "boys don't cry", which is very widely taught, beginning at a very young age, is just as sexist and damaging to society as "women can't take care of themselves".
Swenglish 2 months ago
false dichotomy. Keep the opinions flowing
jman279 2 months ago
Wait.. you made a leap from picking something up for someone to body self image to depression and all this other bad stuff..that is oversimplifying things a lot. Someone with a negative body self image will have depression, offering to pick something up for them or otherwise reminding them of their negative body self image is not the cause of it.
CMO999 2 months ago
Oh this makes me nervous! Like if I am nice to you will you think I'm sexist ?
CMO999 2 months ago 16
You look nice that's a pretty dress
CMO999 2 months ago
People seem to get their panties in a bunch over this video. She never said helping out woman for the sake of good manners is sexist. If you treat a woman any differently, whether you think it's good or bad, is *sexist*. Do we really need to define sexism here? Instead of focusing on debunking extreme feminist, which are not prevalent here on YouTube. Let's focus on the anti-feminists whose egos and manhood are blocking their logic.
MaterialBoyx3 2 months ago
@DesBlackmore Suggest you watch it again.
MaterialBoyx3 2 months ago
Sexism is some made up word that was made up to try to justify the notion that women are losing out in the workforce.Nobody cared about sexism until the Industrial Revolution brought about increasing employment of women. Women try to make the point that it is because they are the weaker sex that they are being disadvantaged. Sexism has crossed over from the workforce, to the home, to the way men behave in general, to everything a man does and says and to say it is annoying is an understatement.
shadowfighting88 2 months ago
Chivalry, when done right, is a selfless act of kindness. Although mostly associated with male-female relationships, it could be applied to adult-child or adult-elderly relationships.
It can benefit the self esteem of a man to be useful/helpful. Likewise, it can hurt a man's self esteem to be prevented from being useful/helpful. Acting gentlemanly is how I was raised and I think that society is better off for it than any female's psychological harmed in the process.
I cuts both ways.
aikimark1955 2 months ago
@healthyaddict,
This is one of the rare times when I've disagreed with your conclusion/assertion.
It seems (to me) a bit over-simplified, ignoring chivalrous acts that are helpful without being sexist.
aikimark1955 2 months ago
Somebody shut this bitch up
Triipticz 2 months ago
If you understood that sexism against men exists, you would obtain examples, I have been a victim. Ashley, how are you, someone who is intellegent, not fucking appauled by modern day feminism, It is dangerous to the 40% of cases of domestic violence against men by their abusive wives. I think its a little appauling you would be apart of a movement like feminism, personally i think we should fight for the rights of everyone, instead of looking through a single fucking window
the8888 2 months ago
@georgelopezblows I'm extremely against traditional gender roles. I think any roles based on gender, race or anything else like that are wrong. People have the right to do what they want and are good at, even if it is not typical. And really I'd like to argue that 16 year olds tend to be in baby making mode...but I don't see the entitlement complex your talking about. Sure older people have older values. I'd have to see someone actually go through that change...
XXBleedingrose 2 months ago
@XXBleedingrose Yes, people can take their traditional roles and shove it up their fucking ass!
connerjd 2 months ago
Can't I just do something nice for someone I like?
GarrettInShadows 2 months ago
It's not that chivalry is bad, it's that you have over-priced yourself. Chivalry is a mechanism to raise the status of women that the market cannot do. Without chivalry, men simply dump a fuck into women thoughtlessly, like a pig. Chivalry is actually bad for men, because we'd rather just fuck you and move on to another woman.
shmiggen 2 months ago
You mean the THEORIES of evolution and of gravity, surely.
Iskander0027 2 months ago
The problem I see here is that extremists can take every single female-male interaction and label it either benevolent or hostile sexism... of course I do believe either can be a problem but where do you draw the limits?
ByronBTB 2 months ago
I feel dumber just listening to you.
Pizuzuzimmer 2 months ago
i have never seen a video so heavily produced and yet... so utterly failed in execution.
not only does it fail to communicate its message (what ever that may be) it also... misses the point, misrepresents the point, is slightly insulting and incourages the neglect of basic human decency.
good job "healthyaddict".... you stupid ditz.
MpowerdAPE 2 months ago
Benevolent sexism undermines women's abilities to accomplish both simple and complex tasks on their own
SolitudesGrace 2 months ago
@SolitudesGrace i find it hard to believe you managed that conclusion from this video.... unless ofcourse you simple read the tag line, didnt watch the vid and then punched out your own sychophantic comment.
MpowerdAPE 2 months ago
@MpowerdAPE For your information, I have learned that benevolent sexism is harmful well before I watched this video; which, by the way, I did watch. Furthermore, I am unable to see how my statement is inconsistent with this videos message. The support she offered in this video backs up my claim. In the first study, the participants perceived the same female interviewee as being less competent when she was interviewed by the benevolently sexist interviewer.
SolitudesGrace 2 months ago
This is true. I only let women go ahead of me so I can stare at her ass.
themaskedpinapple 2 months ago
People help people that they like / want to curry favour with - you're giving the results but you're missing the mechanism of what's going on. There are reasons for these behaviours - and they are unfair but that's life. Being eaten is unfair to the eaten but necessary for the eater, for e.g.
fluffymcdeath 3 months ago
@georgelopezblows ever even paying for guys (2 of them were male) to go to the movies with me. So I told him that I do what's right no matter the gender, and I don't accept sexism as part of my life. He still attacks me for it, 5 years later, but I still stand by that decision, and use it to show everyone I will not accept sexism)
XXBleedingrose 3 months ago
@georgelopezblows I haven't been on a date yet. But I do pay for my friends and family if they need it, and if not I pay for myself, and if I don't have money with me I expect them to repay me by having my back then. I also expect the same when it comes to dates, and I've been very clear with my bf about it. My dad on the other hand hates that I pay for anything (I had a $20 and paid 4 friends to go to the movies, and they paid me back after to avoid having to pay individually, he hated me for
XXBleedingrose 3 months ago
And women complain that chivalry is dead.
Basically, women want it both ways when it's to their advantage. If you want to see sexism go away, women will have to decide on which way they want to be treated all the time. Until all women agree on that, quityerbitchin.
sleazybtd 3 months ago
Apparently if I pick up files for someone I am sexist.
vidsmadeofwin 3 months ago
I used to be a sexist so I can attest to the claim that a benevolent sexist interviewer might hire the woman because she's innocent and kind (good placement for customer service?) but won't be able to handle anything complicated (basically, a child). That thinking increases regarding women who act "cute" (pleasantly diminutive) and wear makeup, high heels, a dress, etcetera. But it is not often (or as much) applied to makeup-less, confident (in a "capable" sense), serious-looking, mature women.
TheLonelyImmortal 3 months ago
"What the fuck!? Bitch! I come home and you've cleaned the house, did the laundry, you have dinner on the stove AND you're doing the dishes!?"
SMACK SMACK SMACK SMACK!
"Bitch I done told you, those are my jobs!"
What fucking world is this woman living in?
mikelalunsford 3 months ago
Did she realy devorce her husband after she had over 10 affairs?
happyninslave 3 months ago
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SaveTheMen 3 months ago
@SaveTheMen She must be a liberal. Only a libaral would do that. Is she a liberal? Am I right?
happyninslave 3 months ago
I think that the problem then, is not that being chivalrous towards women is sexist, rather that women's self-esteem is so fragile that even being in the presence of what you call sexism causes them to feel insecure. It's silly to act as though there are no differences between men and women. You use your body language at 6.43 on - the hair toss, the increased eye movement, in a way no man ever would. Nothing wrong, but we ARE different, and it's okay to be treated that way, so long as it's fair.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@matbroomfield It's not fair to say that I can't help out by taking boxes and chairs in the hall when the teacher asks it to be done because I'm a girl and in her words "we need big strong men to do it, not girls that just wanna help out"
That's not at all fair, and it's not fair to say women need stuff done for them and not help men out too. It's not okay to have different demands for the same job, nor different pay for the same job w/ same requirements
XXBleedingrose 3 months ago
@XXBleedingrose Women ARE physically weaker. Fact. Biology 101. That doesn't mean you should be treated like cripples. If the chairs weighed 100 pounds each, then yeah, get one of the guys to do it.
Different demands for the same job? Well, it depends - if you work in a warehouse, I think it's reasonable that you are not expected to lift as much, but you could argue the same for weak men. Same pay for same job? Yes, absolutely, because that IS fair.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
This style of feminism is void of human psychology.
farhan00 3 months ago
Sorry, but your stupid.
PureSkill900 3 months ago
@DesBlackmore Andif she had used more subtle examples would you be saying they weren't good enough because they didn't show what she was saying?
Also, how does the fact they they were a little over-the-top invalidate the point HelthyAddict was making in her video? The sexism still exists.
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
@tgillspy1 Oh, yes, those damn feminists. The could possibly have legitimate complaints, now could they?
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
It's all kind of perplexing. So she's perceived as less competent from a female,third person point of view? But isn't it the interviewer who does the relevant evaluation and decision to hire her?
And "I'll get that for you" increases "body self-surveillance"? again, in a third person? Does it increase enough to cause all that slippery slope of bad effects you mentioned?
Seems the research isn't available on the interwebz though.
RGMadSimon 3 months ago
it's interesting how people are divided when it comes to this issue.
TheShakty1 3 months ago
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sprPee 3 months ago
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sprPee 3 months ago
man, that guy in da vdo is good. lol. he should go to Hollywood.
aminfaiz 3 months ago
hmmm maybe holding a door open is a bad example....
Funny, I hold doors open for whoever is behind me if I'm out in public...just a common courtesy I have...
then again, a lot of what is called "chivalry" is pretty damn stereotypical and condescending. I don't think this is what true chivalry is...but rather a false caricature of it that got passed down over the ages...good example: brown-nosing with the boss...
rationallegomaniac 3 months ago
chivarly sucks? i guess is shuld not open doors to men ither. allso so what if i want in their pants? its not like barfing and farting is gonna turn them on so chivarly and politness it is. yes, i am damn sovinist when picking my sex partner. i like women. allso i dont about america, but in our country we open doors to both men and women alike. its common curtesy to say"afther you"
gethsoftware 3 months ago
@RockinthaUSA True, The sexes have different body parts. We should respect other people the way that we should want to be treated. I would say that it is a problem because of tradition and brainwashing, just like rascism and intolearance towards a different ethnic group. Our primitive ancestors were ignorant of a lot of things. We should be furthur advanced than them.
connerjd 3 months ago
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Naruto67ful 3 months ago
@Naruto67ful It's not that opening a door for a woman is inherently sexist - it's the *context* behind it. Like if you only open doors for women and never for men, or if you're doing it out of the patronizing attitude that women are some how weaker than men and need to be helped to get along in the world but men don't.
You know, Ashley mentioned that distinction in her video so I don't uderstand people like Naruto67ful completely miss the point. Why did it go over your head?
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
@CoryAlbrecht sorry I was looking at this in a onesided perspective T.T
Naruto67ful 3 months ago
@Naruto67ful Then you're better than 2/3rds of the people commenting here by admitting that.! :-)
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
I think the only sexism that needs addressing the few people who are hostile with it, the 'back in the kitchen' types!
PS Sword Ashley = cute as button
spinzig 3 months ago
@spinzig I meant that comment to be on the previous video, damn! Oh well the first bit still works!
spinzig 3 months ago
@spinzig Why doesn't the non-hostile sexism need addressing?
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
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thinking it through a bit more, the reason I said 'easily capable of doing herself' is because there are obviously instances involving carrying where the man is better suited to the task because he is bigger and stronger. And that will continually recur because of the fairly large average size and strength difference between men and woman.
InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
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InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
I'll just express what I got from it: doing something for a woman because she is a woman, especially when a woman is easily capable of doing it herself, subtly reinforces the old gender stereotypes about woman being weaker and less capable and that could affect a woman's self-image and confidence. I do believe we humans are susceptible to these sublte signals.
InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
good video. I thought it was reasonable and made a good point.
InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
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InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
'don't worry about those dishes, I'll do them. Your hands are too pretty and small'.
You could have used a more realistic example. That has literally never happened once.
InnocenceExperience 3 months ago
wow. You've really opened my eyes. Im never going to help another human being in my life, lest i be labeled with the name 'benevolent sexist'.
guyamus 3 months ago
@guyamus Then you completely miss the point. It's only sexist if you only open the door for women and not for men.
The take-away you should get from this video is not "I'll never help women again!" but rather "I should help everybody!".
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
@CoryAlbrecht well according to this woman's logic, being helpful implys an attitude of superiority, so i'm just going to go all out here and say that being nice is bad and in the future i will refrain from doing so, I mean What the fuck!
guyamus 3 months ago
@guyamus *facepalm*
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
@CoryAlbrecht you do realize im being sarcastic right? im poking fun at the pure absurdity of this woman's claim.
guyamus 3 months ago
@guyamus Then how about you actually deconstruct HealthyAddict's claim and show how it is absurd. Because if it is absurd, it should be easy for you to show that, right? You should be able to show how holding the door open, for example, only for women and not for men is not sexist, yes? You should be able to show me that chivalry is not predicated on the idea that women are weak, incapable of competently doing things for themselves and thus need to be helped with everything.
Can you do that?
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
Wow your life must really suck!
Guitareben 3 months ago
@Guitareben And how, exactly, must her life suck?
CoryAlbrecht 3 months ago
Damn, healthyaddict. I have no idea why this video is so unpopular. You made some great points.
lemonlimeGOD 3 months ago
@lemonlimeGOD It's vaguely feminist. That'll get people up in arms. Because nothing like benevolent sexism opposition to bring out the over sexism.
Tatarize 3 months ago
Holding you must be amazing
valiantfreak 3 months ago
Every time she makes a video she gets uglier. Look how fat her face has gotten.
happyninslave 3 months ago
@happyninslave LET'S ATTACK HER FOR SUPERFICIAL REASONS AND NOT ACTUALLY MAKE A POINT ABOUT HER ARGUMENTS
kutepandax3 3 months ago
@kutepandax3 Don't include me! I don't even know you, you pathetic internet stalker! Idiot... you don't even know me.
happyninslave 3 months ago