pt 4-....Some prosperous industrialists were convinced by these arguments and gave donations to the Nazi Party, however, the vast majority continued to support other parties, especially the right-wing German Nationalist Peoples Party (DNVP)." The Nazi Party (NSDAP), The Jewish Virtual Library.
pt 3- ....In the pamphlet Hitler implied that the anti-capitalist measures included in the original twenty-five points of the NSDAP programme would not be implemented if he gained power. Hitler began to argue that "capitalists had worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection they have the right to lead." Hitler claimed that national socialism meant all people doing their best for society and posed no threat to the wealth of the rich.....
pt 2- ....In an attempt to obtain financial contributions from industrialists, Hitler wrote a pamphlet in 1927 entitled The Road to Resurgence. Only a small number of these pamphlets were printed and they were only meant for the eyes of the top industrialists in Germany. The reason that the pamphlet was kept secret was that it contained information that would have upset Hitler's working-class supporters.....
"Propaganda cost money and this was something that the Nazi Party was very short of. Whereas the German Social Democrat Party was funded by the trade unions and the pro-capitalist parties by industrialists, the NSDAP had to rely on contributions from party members. When Hitler approached rich industrialists for help he was told that his economic policies (profit-sharing, nationalization of trusts) were too left-wing...
the Nazi government in 1930s Germany undertook a wide scale privatization policy. The government sold public ownership in several State-owned firms in different sectors.
@MrReco12 "This is the theory of a completely ruined fascist and counter-revolutionary"
Who was being described here by a German communist? Was this "fascist" right wing? XD
MrReco most likely thinks so everyone, but the rest of us can see, that leftists call anything they dont like "fascist". For a leftist the word only means one thing, "the other",because they cannot even define the word correctly XD
@MrReco12 The decline of a people is the inevitable consequence of the use of this yardstick (capitalism), because selection on the basis of property is the arch-enemy of race, blood, life! We have never left any doubts about the fact that our national socialism puts an end to the privileges of wealth, and that the emancipation of the worker involves participation in profits, property, and management.
HA HA, video evidence alone destroys your arguments: watch?v=NAjcwB-cPY8
The mansion that the Krupp lived in.
watch?v=P9F3iUKeioM: More of the Krupp's private property.
Again, you get your hilarious nonsense from the soviet story, you do know while the democratically left wing elected government was fighting Hitler the Right(headed by Petain) orchestrated a coup?
@MrReco12 I do not support Pinochet, i merely pointed out he replaced another dictator. Quote where i say, "i love pinochet" or something like that please? What you cannot? LOL! Do you even know why i call someone dictator? perhaps your teacher should give you more English classes. is your teacher's name Mr Wong? he should be called mr Wrong if he does not teach you that when someone calls someone else dictator, it is an insult
And you support fascists like Mao, meaning you are a Hypocrite XD
@MrReco12 Hitler was democratically elected, and the socialists who supported Hitler "knew it" to be true XD
“there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.” W. E. B. DuBois in 1937 praising the democracy of his socialist heroes
Wrong again, capitalists land conservatives supported Hitler: includes Von Papan, Alfried Krupp, Fredrick Flick, Horthy , Mannerheim, Petain, Franco. ante paveliv, Tiso etc.
Conservative presidents and capitalists supported Hitler during the second world war.He was a great conservative hero like Pinochet it today.
@MrReco12 I see you have nothing to say except the old tired points i have exposed as Left wing lies XD Is it because you are a chinese robot that Hu Jintao has personally paid for to spread communist lies on internet? Like robots you only say the same thing over and over even if they are answered. You have a limited vocabulary, maybe mrWong should give you more lessons or maybe he should re-program you XD
Hitler was a great socialist hero like Fascist Mao is today
Hitler was the great capitalist hero of his day. Just ask European conservative presidents(of his day) and capitalists like Krupp, IG Farben and Flick.
You have only exposed your own lies through your stupidity :D
Your hero Pinochet kidnapped 6 year old kids and made them disappear,
"Body of 6-year-old Pinochet-era victim to be exhumed in Chile "
He is just like your Rightwing hero Adolf Hitler :D
@MrReco12 Hitler was the great socialist hero of his day. Just ask any of the socialists like Bernard Shaw, And Stalin too. 'Stalin liked Hitler and his way with opponents'
watch?v=vmnNfQm_92w
Your hero Stalin may in fact have murdered more ukrainians in 1 year than hitler did Jews in holocaust.
7 million ukrainians dissapeared in one single act of socialist Genocide
6 million jews dissapeared in one single act of socialist genocide
The funny thing is, that conservatives of his day saw Hitler as the man who saved Europe from Bolshevism. Thats why they joined him in the grand right wing alliance.
LOL, you are too embarrassed to mention the German National party(a conservative party) who supported Hitler against the left in the German parliament.
And rightly so.
The white rose was not conservative, LOL, desperate. The Right provided finnish, Spanish, french, Hungarian etc. troops for Hitler
@MrReco12 The funny thing is, that Stalin as well as many of your socialist/liberal heroes like the New York Times supported Hitler. That Socialist Hitler lied to get his way is unfortunate but this is the truth, Stalin backed Hitler until 1941.
"If there is one place where a start can be made to arouse Europe to revolution, that place is Germany . . . and victory of the revolution in Germany will guarantee the victory of world revolution." STALIN (Sochineniya, Vol. 6, p. 267)
Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct.
It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government.
.... If the German people are already so corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a hand…if they abandon the will to take decisive action …if they are so devoid of all individuality, …turning into a spiritless and cowardly mass — then, yes, they deserve their downfall.
@MrReco12 Therefore every individual, conscious of his responsibility as a member of Christian and Western civilization, must defend himself as best he can at this late hour, he must work against the scourges of mankind, against fascism and any similar system of totalitarianism.
Offer resistance wherever you may be…forestall the spread of this atheistic war machine before it is too late, before the last cities, like Cologne, have been reduced to rubble, and before the nation’s last young man has given his blood on some battlefield for the hubris of a sub-human
white rose, Excerpts From The 1st Leaflet of the Resistance.
Yep they were conservative as this leaflet proves XD
@MrReco12 Fascism was the hangman of Europe. Stalin supported the hangman, but even before the hangman had begun his work, Stalin had prepared the same fate for the hangman as awaited the hangman's victims.
Viktor Suvoruv from Icebreaker
Stalin supported Hitler, for his own reasons of course and Suvoruv a professional historian agrees with me, Nazis are socialist. LOL
@MrReco12 SA men were in the chamber ready to beat anyone who opposed the act which they did, Very intimidating.
"Catholic center party"
they were on center of political spectrum, as their name admits. They were not very right wing . Hitler promised the Centre Party's continued existence, the protection of Catholics' civil and religious liberties, religious schools and the retention of civil servants affiliated with the Centre Party.
@MrReco12 who opposed him? The Right, eg the conservative White Rose XD
The left always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why stalin supported Hitler, against democracy hitler was stalins "hangman of europe", his "icebreaker". Like his icebreaker, Stalin too hated capitalists, other socialists, other communists, trade unionists and social democrats.
"This is the theory of a completely ruined fascist and counter-revolutionary"
Who was thalman describing? Was this "fascist" right wing? XD
@MrReco12 Ludwig Von Mises, one of the greatest economists of all time and who experienced nazi socialism up close proves you wrong. Nazis are socialist XD
why did the leftist New york times call nazis socialist? LOL, you are too embarrassed to explain that one!!!! XD
Mises never lived under the Nazis you liar. I always have to laugh at old von mises: Hayek is a socialist, Milton Friedman is a socialist, Chuchill was a socialist, EVERYONE'S A SOCIALIST! XD LOL!
Hieden and Shirer lived in Germany during the period, both them said the Nazis were pro capitalist :D
@MrReco12 he fled vienna 1 hour before the nazis arrived, so he had a good opputunity to see them close and youve NEVER READ ANY OF HIS WRITINGS I CAN TELL! XD LOL!
the Left Wing New york times had foreign correspondants in Germany. This was the same new york times that supported Mussolini and Hitler and called them "socialists" XD
Percy Knauth for example. He became a correspondent for The New York Times in March 1939 and filed his reports from wartime Berlin until April 1941, when he became a special writer in the Times's Sunday Department in New York. XD
The journalists in Germany said that Hitler was pro capitalist, anyone who survived working for Krupp, Flick and IG Farben thought Hitler was pro capitalist.
@MrReco12 Capitalism and National Socialism are polar opposites. They have nothing to do with one another. Listing CEOs does not make those industries private. I can name a few Chinese CEOs.
@MrReco12 The Left resorts to Totalitarianism thats why they overthrew democracy in Germany, Italy, Russia, Korea, Spain, Egypt, Lybia, Zimbabwe and many other places. without lenin and stalin, Mussolini and hitler would have NEVER happened XD
totalitarianism is incompatable with capitalism. EVEN BY THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE WORDS YOU LEFTIST IDIOT
if the left is so pro democracy, why did Lenin hate it and why did he kill 10 million just for disagreeing with him XD
The Right destroyed democracy in Germany: the culprts: conservative general Hindenburg, The conservative national party and the Nazi party lead by Adolf Hitler.
Italy: Mussolini and the conservative Italian king!(right)
Russia, korea, lybia and zimbabwe were never democracies so your point fails utterly.
Chile, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece and Guatemala WERE democracies before the right destroyed them!
@MrReco12 the left destroyed democracy in Germany.
there was a real road to democracy in Russia, but Lenin destroyed it.
if the Far-left are so pro-democracy as you claim, why did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong il etc all hate freedom and democracy. Why did they never introduce democracy?
yet another question you cannot answer, like all the other questions i ask XD
they loved freedom, hated atheism like i do. Maoists have never loved freedom and murdered in name of atheism. XD
just two examples of why they would rather support me, and not a maoist who defends a murderer of 70 million and denies maos holocaust of 35 million in 4 years
@MrReco12 "LOL, you call a paper leftist whilst i name a CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER praised Mussolini openly."
you cannot deny the leftism of NYT. LOL! XD
and churchill had some funny thoughts too XD
Speaking in the House of Commons in 1937, Churchill said "I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and Nazism, I would choose communism".[124]
I could not help being charmed, like so many other people have been, by Signor Mussolini's gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good, as he understood it, of the Italian people, and that no lesser interest was of the slightest consequence to him. If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should...
@MrReco12 MUSSOLINI BUILDS A ROME OF THE CAESARS; A Splendid City, "Beautiful as in the Time of Augustus," Is Deemed the Most Cherished of All His Vast Projects
an entire leftist NYT article praising mussolini, why did they do it? XD
@MrReco12 They were owned and subsidized by the State. The very first thing Hitler did after Hinderburg dies was Nationalize all industries. These CEOs were all appointed by the government.
@MrReco12 Reagen discovered free markets, and the values of limited govt
the very things mussolini opposed XD
"If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".
which leftist said that?
"Fascism has taken up an attitude of complete opposition to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political field and in the field of economics"
"If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".
he said it would be a century of collectivism, and he must have been lying if he said that. he also said "Laissez faire is out of date" . To this day the basic free market doctrine of "laissez faire" is virtually a swear-word to most Leftists. Quoted from Smith (1967, p. 87).
The Fascist State does not create a "God" of its own, as Robespierre once, at the height of the Convention's foolishness, wished to do; nor does it vainly seek, like Bolshevism, to expel religion from the minds of men. Fascism respects the God of the ascetics, of the saints, of the heroes, and also God as seen and prayed to by the simple and primitive heart of the people.
If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century
@MrReco12 and heres what fascist liars like yourself leave out. "If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State."
there is no such thing as right wing statist collectivism. Mao for example was a leftist statist collectivist, XD Mussolini was leftist and even as we were in Rome, he went north and founded the "italian socialist republic" XD
oh and as to your other point, look at your own country ChinaMan. The Left have often used the state to crush its opponents and destroy democracy. right wing dictators are very rare, and none of them are totalitarian. As is proven Fascism is leftist, it believes in collectivism XD
oh and you dont know difference between the words "dictator" and "totalitarian". you dont even know what the word "fascist" even means XD
Again, Italian social republic(sounds more like the US REPUBLICAN party than anything else) was its proper name. His wife said that Mussolini was religious watch?v=TMp4Q5qeUi.
@MrReco12 Social = Socialist. For proof just ask some "social dems" what they think the word "social" means XD It was the "italian socialist republic" XD
Mussolini's widow, Rachele, stated that her husband had remained "basically irreligious (atheist) until the later years of his life."
@MrReco12 "Mussolini's followers joined rightwing parties after the war"
Lies again. Is this why Alessandra Mussolini is so "progressive" on stances on many issues? including abortion, artificial insemination, gay rights and civil unions. She has been an outspoken "feminist". and has been described by conservative commentators as a "socialist" and a "left-winger"
i care little for your opinions The Mussolins are as left wing as each other XD
Following Michelini's failed approach of inserimento, Almirante introduced a double strategy of hard anti-systemic discourse combined with the creation of a broader "National Right" (Destra Nazionale) coalition.[20] He broadened the party in both conservative and radical directions, as he initiated cooperation and eventual merger with the Monarchist National Party, and reintegrated Rauti and other radicals into the party.
@MrReco12 Formed in 1946 by supporters of former Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, the party became the fourth largest party in Italy by the early 1960s. The MSI gave informal local and eventually national support to the (leftist/centrist) Christian Democrats from the late 1940s and through the 1950s. In the early 1960s, the party was pushed to the sidelines of Italian politics, and only gradually started to gain some political recognition in the 1980s
Engels apparantly hated "the abominable practice of sodomy" and homosexuality "degraded alike" the greek "gods and themselves with the myth of Ganymede " according to the soviets at least XD
@MrReco12 Marrage is betweem one man and one woman. that is how our creator designed it.
How quick you were to change your tune, you said opposition to the homosexuals agenda is inherently right wing. so i proved you were wrong with engels XD
not everyone who opposes the gay agenda is right wing, ther are many left wing opponents too, but the people who are for the gay agenda and destruction of marrage are left wing
Santorum 2012!!! To beat the fascist in the white house
SO Mussolini's supporters and her descendents joined Left wing parties, had leftist outlooks (that are/were not electable) and supported a leftist/centrist party after the war. Whats it like being always wrong?
The funny thing is that when Mussolini(to save himself from the communists and socialists who were hunting him) tried to nationalize businesses, Nazi Germany exempted the entire industrial base because it was owned by Nazi loving capitalists.
@SuperGOPman There have been more rightwing dictators than left wing dictators: Here is a whole pack of them: Hitler Mussolini Franco Petain Horthy Pinochet Strossner Leopold II Tojo of Japan Jorge Videla Suharto Salazer Ante pavelic Ion Antonescu Josef Tiso Somoza etc. etc.
@MrReco12 There have been more leftwing dictators than right wing dictators: Here is a whole pack of them : Hitler Mussolini Franco Petain Leopold II Tojo of Japan Lenin Stalin Mugabe Chavez Gadaffi Kim Jong il. Mumbarak Mao the napoleons I and III Robespierre Pol-pot Ceaucescu Antonescu castro Karimov Mbasogo Berdymukhammedov Thein Sein Afewerki etc etc
Not all of them are communist or fascist or totalitarian however, you dont know what those words are, which is why you havent defined them
@MrReco12 define these words please XD Totalitarianism Dictatorship Socialism Communism Fascism Left-wing Right-wing my bet is you do not even truly understand any of these words. Learn some history and some english too XD
@MrReco12 "Chinese politician Wang Lijun mysteriously disappears amid rumours he tried to defect" National post. You must be so proud of your communist heroes and what they may have done to Wang Lijun, just like you are proud of Lenin and Stalin and what they done to everyone who opposed ther regimes, like all the socialists and communists, social democrats and trade unionists your heroes murdered
The Left always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why they supported Hitler, against democracy.
Why do Rundstedt1´s excellent post with quoation from wellrespetcted historians like Robert.O.Paxton and Ian Kershaw,been marked as spam?Is this some personal spam campain goin on here?Some cowards that not could take a civil debate with Rundstedt1 because of lack of courage and knowledge,just spam his comments?In that case it shows the level of todays right wingers!A shame!
"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147
All fascism did was combine conservatism with a new populist energy, just like the Rightwing teabaggers
"Hitler was never a socialist." - Ian Kershaw, a very respected historian of the era
"At the beginning Nazi socialism worked as well as a socialist system ever could" - New york Times Jun 21, 1942
"It must not be forgotten that Nazi philosophy rejects capitalism with other inventions of the Devil." - New York Times - Jan 24, 1935
NYT is more reliable than your post war apologetics Marxist source because New York Times were leftists that praised hitler and saw him for socialist he really was. LOL
@SuperGOPman This is what a leading Nazi Supporter had to say:
Everywhere industry was hiring again, with some firms -- like Krupp, IG Farben and the large automobile manufacturers -- taking on new workers on a very large scale. As the country became more prosperous, car sales increased by more than 80,000 units in 1933 alone. Employment in the auto industry doubled. Germany was gearing up for full production, with private industry leading the way.
"Whatever they [Americans] don't like about Chancellor Hitler and his political party, they are obliged to honor it for one thing: National Socialism has defended capitalism." - Portsmouth Times - Jul 6, 1934.
@MrReco12 who is the author? Was he a Marxist by any chance? XD
"At the beginning Nazi socialism worked as well as a socialist system ever could" - New york Times Jun 21, 1942
"It must not be forgotten that Nazi philosophy rejects capitalism with other inventions of the Devil." - New York Times - Jan 24, 1935
that paper is more reliable, because we all know how progressive it was, it even denied stalins holocaust of ukrainians like you deny maos holocaust of 35 million of his slaves
If Nazis were socialists than why did Hitler try so damned hard to destroy socialism. He saw socialism and communism as part of a global Jewish conspiracy. He blamed social democrats for the decline of Germany after the First World War. Stop reading Jonah Goldberg! He is not a serious author. He was only interested in heading off efforts by liberals at getting revenge on conservatives for wrongly calling them communists for years by turning the tables and calling conservatives fascists/Nazis.
@Activeassholeonpills Again, Jonah Goldberg was only interested in the continuation of the war of words. He had no bones about conflating Liberals with Nazis and Communists at the same time(in spite of historical and ideological differences) because he was taking advantage of the uninformed nature of his readers. Most of his readers didn't know two shits about political theory. They were just a bunch of Rightists who needed a new insult for liberals. Textbook knowledge means dick to them!
@8thRRFS Are we Nazis or Communists? I'm confused! I thought we were communists! At least, that's what conservatives have been calling us since the 1950s. Which is it?
@Activeassholeonpills I'm old enough to remember when the Dem. party still had loyal sane Americans such as JFK (a strong anti-communist) and Scoop Jackson, a fiscal conservative. But today's Dem party is infested with Marxists and loony leftists, i.e. Obama, Nancy Pelousy and Barbara Boxer to name just a few, who are intent on destroying this once great country. So the answer to your question is: The current Dem. party is a hybrid of the two evils that you mention.
@8thRRFS Actually JFK was considered to be weak on communism by the rabid right of the time. The Dems have received more money from business and wall st the last 4 years. And Clinton signed the biggest pro corporate legislation (NAFTA) in history. Leftists? Yeah, not so much. The furthest left is Kucinich. What your spouting is more FOX News/Talk Radio nonsense. This country is being destroyed for numerous reasons. With that said, your comment makes zero sense whatsoever.
"The whole of the French upper and middle classes - the right, if you like - preferred the idea of the Germans to their own Communists and i think you can call that a very powerful fifth column, and it was worked to death by the Germans" - Major General Sir Edward Spears, Conservative MP and Churchill's personal representative in France. Quoted in Richard Holmes (ed) "The World at War: The Landmark Oral history from the Classic TV series", p97.
what about Paul Reynaud who backed a strong alliance with the United Kingdom and, unlike many others on the French Right, even better relations with the Soviet Union as a counterweight against the Nazi Germans? XD
this doesnt explain why communist papers praised nazis, and their "workers" for collaborating with them "well done comrades and keep it up even if it displeases the middle classes" they said XD
@MrReco12 Oh I know. Look up Paul Schaefer, the fugitive Nazi who helped Pinochet construct the prison camps for the "enemies of the state." Pinochet was aided by an actual Nazi, gotta love it.
@PureGeniusMarketing I guess that's why they desecrated churches, closed down religious youth organizations, secularized education, outlawed public religious charity and removed the Bible and Cross from churches...
The Socialism in National Socialism was referring to the Socialism of the right-wing philosopher Oswald Spengler (Nationalistic Corporatism), not Marx or any of the traditional Socialist thinkers.
pt 4-....Some prosperous industrialists were convinced by these arguments and gave donations to the Nazi Party, however, the vast majority continued to support other parties, especially the right-wing German Nationalist Peoples Party (DNVP)." The Nazi Party (NSDAP), The Jewish Virtual Library.
Teamrat 1 week ago
pt 3- ....In the pamphlet Hitler implied that the anti-capitalist measures included in the original twenty-five points of the NSDAP programme would not be implemented if he gained power. Hitler began to argue that "capitalists had worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection they have the right to lead." Hitler claimed that national socialism meant all people doing their best for society and posed no threat to the wealth of the rich.....
Teamrat 1 week ago
pt 2- ....In an attempt to obtain financial contributions from industrialists, Hitler wrote a pamphlet in 1927 entitled The Road to Resurgence. Only a small number of these pamphlets were printed and they were only meant for the eyes of the top industrialists in Germany. The reason that the pamphlet was kept secret was that it contained information that would have upset Hitler's working-class supporters.....
Teamrat 1 week ago
"Propaganda cost money and this was something that the Nazi Party was very short of. Whereas the German Social Democrat Party was funded by the trade unions and the pro-capitalist parties by industrialists, the NSDAP had to rely on contributions from party members. When Hitler approached rich industrialists for help he was told that his economic policies (profit-sharing, nationalization of trusts) were too left-wing...
Teamrat 1 week ago
The Nazis were Socialists.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
No question about it. The Nazis, by definition are Socialists.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
No, by definitions the Nazis were pro capitalists.
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 Negative. That makes ZERO sense.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
Nazi Germany kept the Frankfurt stock exchange going throughout the war.
32peartree 1 week ago
If you think there was one corporation in Nazi Germany during the 30's and 40's that Hitler didn't have sway over, you're crazy.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
Hitler did not nationalize industry, just look up Krupp, Flick, Hugo boss, IG Farben etc.
MrReco12 1 week ago
Calling the Nazis Capitalists is laughable.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
Hitler despised Capitalism.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
Although modern economic literature usually ignores the fact, the Nazi government in 1930s
MrReco12 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
the Nazi government in 1930s Germany undertook a wide scale privatization policy. The government sold public ownership in several State-owned firms in different sectors.
MrReco12 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany,” by Germà Bel of the University of Barcelona.
Read it and learn: The Nazis were pro capitalist :D
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 How is state controlled industries Capitalism?
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
The means of production were privately owned: Capitalism.
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 Not in Nazi Germany. The State controlled means of production. Sorry, but you're just wrong.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
In Nazi Germany, the means of production were privately owned by capitalists such as Krupp, Flick, Hugo boss, IG Farben etc. etc.
MrReco12 1 week ago
YES YES YES! The Nazis were Socialists.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@StonewallJackson26
How so?
The Nazi state practiced "totalitarian monopolistic capitalism."
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 The Nazis Nationalized all corporations except 2. And all means of production was controlled by the State. So yes, they were Socialists.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
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@MrReco12 "This is the theory of a completely ruined fascist and counter-revolutionary"
Who was being described here by a German communist? Was this "fascist" right wing? XD
MrReco most likely thinks so everyone, but the rest of us can see, that leftists call anything they dont like "fascist". For a leftist the word only means one thing, "the other",because they cannot even define the word correctly XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 The decline of a people is the inevitable consequence of the use of this yardstick (capitalism), because selection on the basis of property is the arch-enemy of race, blood, life! We have never left any doubts about the fact that our national socialism puts an end to the privileges of wealth, and that the emancipation of the worker involves participation in profits, property, and management.
XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
HA HA, video evidence alone destroys your arguments: watch?v=NAjcwB-cPY8
The mansion that the Krupp lived in.
watch?v=P9F3iUKeioM: More of the Krupp's private property.
Again, you get your hilarious nonsense from the soviet story, you do know while the democratically left wing elected government was fighting Hitler the Right(headed by Petain) orchestrated a coup?
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 伟业弗朗索瓦·勒布伦你白痴右翼
左才开始反对希特勒，中于1941年年!
这是私人财产吗 watch?v=bUunbZDdJsc ???
你失败了这么难 XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The presidential palace is a bit different than a capitalists mansion,
You know the difference between the white house and Donald Trumps mansion? :D
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Oh, and the white house is not private property either. LOL
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 仅是因为“我们美国人民”这些东西称为“选举”，这意味着我们决定谁住在这里，它不是私人财产。
我知道你从来没有见过你生命中的自由选举，你来自哪里, 但你毛派应尽量不久的某个时候，它可能会做一些好的贵国. XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
LOL, you are a joke. That palace you used as an example is Romania's government building.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 宫殿的意思是“法西斯共产主义”英雄希奥塞古的私有财产。
它成为公共财产，当然，1989年时，罗马尼亚成为一个自由的地方，有被称为“选举”的东西，这当然是你从来没有看到在你的生活，现在告诉我，为什么是这种情况?
XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Another dimwitted argument, you a comparing a state owned presidential place to a mansion of wealthy capitalist. LOL!
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 do you even know what im saying? XD
shall we speak in your language or mine from now on? I like speaking your language. Its quite fun :)
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Conservatives hate democracy: as proven by your support for the fascist dictatorship of PInochet.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 I do not support Pinochet, i merely pointed out he replaced another dictator. Quote where i say, "i love pinochet" or something like that please? What you cannot? LOL! Do you even know why i call someone dictator? perhaps your teacher should give you more English classes. is your teacher's name Mr Wong? he should be called mr Wrong if he does not teach you that when someone calls someone else dictator, it is an insult
And you support fascists like Mao, meaning you are a Hypocrite XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Stalin replaced Hitler as dictator of East Europe. according to you, me saying this fact means i now support Stalin?
Mr Wong Wrong really should give you more lessons XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
No, Pinochet overthrew a democratically elected government you idiot. And capitalists support Fascism!
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Hitler was democratically elected, and the socialists who supported Hitler "knew it" to be true XD
“there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.” W. E. B. DuBois in 1937 praising the democracy of his socialist heroes
XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Wrong again, capitalists land conservatives supported Hitler: includes Von Papan, Alfried Krupp, Fredrick Flick, Horthy , Mannerheim, Petain, Franco. ante paveliv, Tiso etc.
Conservative presidents and capitalists supported Hitler during the second world war.He was a great conservative hero like Pinochet it today.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 I see you have nothing to say except the old tired points i have exposed as Left wing lies XD Is it because you are a chinese robot that Hu Jintao has personally paid for to spread communist lies on internet? Like robots you only say the same thing over and over even if they are answered. You have a limited vocabulary, maybe mrWong should give you more lessons or maybe he should re-program you XD
Hitler was a great socialist hero like Fascist Mao is today
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Hitler was the great capitalist hero of his day. Just ask European conservative presidents(of his day) and capitalists like Krupp, IG Farben and Flick.
You have only exposed your own lies through your stupidity :D
Your hero Pinochet kidnapped 6 year old kids and made them disappear,
"Body of 6-year-old Pinochet-era victim to be exhumed in Chile "
He is just like your Rightwing hero Adolf Hitler :D
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Hitler was the great socialist hero of his day. Just ask any of the socialists like Bernard Shaw, And Stalin too. 'Stalin liked Hitler and his way with opponents'
watch?v=vmnNfQm_92w
Your hero Stalin may in fact have murdered more ukrainians in 1 year than hitler did Jews in holocaust.
7 million ukrainians dissapeared in one single act of socialist Genocide
6 million jews dissapeared in one single act of socialist genocide
Hitler is just like your leftwing hero Stalin XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The funny thing is, that conservatives of his day saw Hitler as the man who saved Europe from Bolshevism. Thats why they joined him in the grand right wing alliance.
LOL, you are too embarrassed to mention the German National party(a conservative party) who supported Hitler against the left in the German parliament.
And rightly so.
The white rose was not conservative, LOL, desperate. The Right provided finnish, Spanish, french, Hungarian etc. troops for Hitler
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 The funny thing is, that Stalin as well as many of your socialist/liberal heroes like the New York Times supported Hitler. That Socialist Hitler lied to get his way is unfortunate but this is the truth, Stalin backed Hitler until 1941.
"If there is one place where a start can be made to arouse Europe to revolution, that place is Germany . . . and victory of the revolution in Germany will guarantee the victory of world revolution." STALIN (Sochineniya, Vol. 6, p. 267)
XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 And The white rose was conservative, so a book for you i quickly found...
Hitler's conservative opponents in Bavaria, 1930-1945
by James Donohoe - 1961
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Again, the white rose was not a conservative movement. You have failed to prove that.
Julius Leber
Free Workers' Union of Germany
Red orchestrator
Where were the capitalists and conservatives?
watch?v=Pyrc0PrIPnI
watch?v=q3f92fvdzQ4
Very sickening indeed.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12
Nothing is so unworthy of a civilized nation as allowing itself to be governed without opposition by an irresponsible clique that has yielded to base instinct.
It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government.
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12
.... If the German people are already so corrupted and spiritually crushed that they do not raise a hand…if they abandon the will to take decisive action …if they are so devoid of all individuality, …turning into a spiritless and cowardly mass — then, yes, they deserve their downfall.
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Therefore every individual, conscious of his responsibility as a member of Christian and Western civilization, must defend himself as best he can at this late hour, he must work against the scourges of mankind, against fascism and any similar system of totalitarianism.
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SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12
Offer resistance wherever you may be…forestall the spread of this atheistic war machine before it is too late, before the last cities, like Cologne, have been reduced to rubble, and before the nation’s last young man has given his blood on some battlefield for the hubris of a sub-human
white rose, Excerpts From The 1st Leaflet of the Resistance.
Yep they were conservative as this leaflet proves XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Fascism was the hangman of Europe. Stalin supported the hangman, but even before the hangman had begun his work, Stalin had prepared the same fate for the hangman as awaited the hangman's victims.
Viktor Suvoruv from Icebreaker
Stalin supported Hitler, for his own reasons of course and Suvoruv a professional historian agrees with me, Nazis are socialist. LOL
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Again, i point to the parties who supported Hitler's enabling act: German National party, Catholic center party: TWO CONSERVATIVE PARTIES!
who opposed him?
The left.
You should make your last line more accurate: The Right always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why they supported Hitler, against democracy.
Like their hero Hitler, conservatives also hate socialists, communists, trade unionists and social democrats.
Learn some history XD
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 SA men were in the chamber ready to beat anyone who opposed the act which they did, Very intimidating.
"Catholic center party"
they were on center of political spectrum, as their name admits. They were not very right wing . Hitler promised the Centre Party's continued existence, the protection of Catholics' civil and religious liberties, religious schools and the retention of civil servants affiliated with the Centre Party.
so he lied to them to get their votes XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 who opposed him? The Right, eg the conservative White Rose XD
The left always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why stalin supported Hitler, against democracy hitler was stalins "hangman of europe", his "icebreaker". Like his icebreaker, Stalin too hated capitalists, other socialists, other communists, trade unionists and social democrats.
"This is the theory of a completely ruined fascist and counter-revolutionary"
Who was thalman describing? Was this "fascist" right wing? XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Historians like Konrad Hieden and William Shirer describe HItler as pro rightwing/capitalist.
They were actually in Nazi Germany at the time!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Ludwig Von Mises, one of the greatest economists of all time and who experienced nazi socialism up close proves you wrong. Nazis are socialist XD
why did the leftist New york times call nazis socialist? LOL, you are too embarrassed to explain that one!!!! XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Mises never lived under the Nazis you liar. I always have to laugh at old von mises: Hayek is a socialist, Milton Friedman is a socialist, Chuchill was a socialist, EVERYONE'S A SOCIALIST! XD LOL!
Hieden and Shirer lived in Germany during the period, both them said the Nazis were pro capitalist :D
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 he fled vienna 1 hour before the nazis arrived, so he had a good opputunity to see them close and youve NEVER READ ANY OF HIS WRITINGS I CAN TELL! XD LOL!
the Left Wing New york times had foreign correspondants in Germany. This was the same new york times that supported Mussolini and Hitler and called them "socialists" XD
which you have never explained
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Such as who?
You have no proof of that claim. it is confirmed that Shirer and Hieden(free lance German journalist) were in Germany during the era.
Mises left Austira in 1934, Austria was annexed in 1938!
You lied!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "Such as who?"
Percy Knauth for example. He became a correspondent for The New York Times in March 1939 and filed his reports from wartime Berlin until April 1941, when he became a special writer in the Times's Sunday Department in New York. XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
When did he say that Hitler was a socialist? (never)
The Right destroyed democracy in Germany: The Nazi party and the conservative German national party were the culprits.
"without stalin hitler would never have happened XD"
The Right turned to the Fascists to save Europe from Marxism.
That video supports my point of view.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "When did he say that Hitler was a socialist? (never)"
NYT repeatedly said Hitler was a socialist.
"That video supports my point of view"
it is a documentary on russian revolution and how lenin hated freedom, it therfore supports me not you XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The journalists in Germany said that Hitler was pro capitalist, anyone who survived working for Krupp, Flick and IG Farben thought Hitler was pro capitalist.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 as has been proven... Krupp was more to the left than to the right. XD
there is nothing right wing about being rich. as Warren Buffet, Bill Gates etc also prove XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Did you watch the videos i sent?
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 you have not shared with me any videos. i see none in my inbox
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Capitalism and National Socialism are polar opposites. They have nothing to do with one another. Listing CEOs does not make those industries private. I can name a few Chinese CEOs.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
The Right resorts to Totalitarianism thats why they overthrew democracy in Germany, Italy, Chile,Argentina, Greece, Spain and Guatemala.
The British murdered 50 million Indians while the US founding fathers exterminated the entire native American population.
Ian Kewshaw has written an excellent book called "making friends with Hitler".
You should read it and weep :D
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 The Left resorts to Totalitarianism thats why they overthrew democracy in Germany, Italy, Russia, Korea, Spain, Egypt, Lybia, Zimbabwe and many other places. without lenin and stalin, Mussolini and hitler would have NEVER happened XD
totalitarianism is incompatable with capitalism. EVEN BY THE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE WORDS YOU LEFTIST IDIOT
if the left is so pro democracy, why did Lenin hate it and why did he kill 10 million just for disagreeing with him XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The Right destroyed democracy in Germany: the culprts: conservative general Hindenburg, The conservative national party and the Nazi party lead by Adolf Hitler.
Italy: Mussolini and the conservative Italian king!(right)
Russia, korea, lybia and zimbabwe were never democracies so your point fails utterly.
Chile, Spain, Germany, Italy, Greece and Guatemala WERE democracies before the right destroyed them!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 the left destroyed democracy in Germany.
there was a real road to democracy in Russia, but Lenin destroyed it.
if the Far-left are so pro-democracy as you claim, why did Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong il etc all hate freedom and democracy. Why did they never introduce democracy?
yet another question you cannot answer, like all the other questions i ask XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The leaflets don't prove that they were conservative!
The Right destroyed democracy in Germany, National party and the catholic center party supported Hitler's dictatorship!
Yes, the right always destroy democracy!
"there was a real road to democracy in Russia, but Lenin destroyed it."
No, the Right destroyed that with the Kornilov coup and their support for anti antisemitism and Fascism!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "The leaflets don't prove that they were conservative"
they prove they had more in common with me than you.
"The Right destroyed democracy in Germany"
the left destroyed democracy, remember Stalins words on hitler being an icebreaker? without stalin hitler would never have happened XD
"there was a real road to democracy in Russia, but Lenin destroyed it."
a history lesson for you then
watch?v=mMGrIwLj7gU
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
"they prove they had more in common with me than you."
How so?
How so?
I doubt they would have supported a Hitler-lite Pinochet supporter.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "How so?"
they loved freedom, hated atheism like i do. Maoists have never loved freedom and murdered in name of atheism. XD
just two examples of why they would rather support me, and not a maoist who defends a murderer of 70 million and denies maos holocaust of 35 million in 4 years
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
What rubbish, the Right have always hated freedom.
watch?v=TQ-E--rmi3k
watch?v=dRRECOsxIyE
watch?v=EeUF_H8RBCQ
watch?v=DlV3rDKC1yE
LOL, you call a paper leftist whilst i name a CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER praised Mussolini openly.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 "LOL, you call a paper leftist whilst i name a CONSERVATIVE PRIME MINISTER praised Mussolini openly."
you cannot deny the leftism of NYT. LOL! XD
and churchill had some funny thoughts too XD
Speaking in the House of Commons in 1937, Churchill said "I will not pretend that, if I had to choose between communism and Nazism, I would choose communism".[124]
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
I could not help being charmed, like so many other people have been, by Signor Mussolini's gentle and simple bearing and by his calm, detached poise in spite of so many burdens and dangers. Secondly, anyone could see that he thought of nothing but the lasting good, as he understood it, of the Italian people, and that no lesser interest was of the slightest consequence to him. If I had been an Italian I am sure that I should...
-Churchill
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 MUSSOLINI BUILDS A ROME OF THE CAESARS; A Splendid City, "Beautiful as in the Time of Augustus," Is Deemed the Most Cherished of All His Vast Projects
an entire leftist NYT article praising mussolini, why did they do it? XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 They were owned and subsidized by the State. The very first thing Hitler did after Hinderburg dies was Nationalize all industries. These CEOs were all appointed by the government.
StonewallJackson26 1 week ago
@MrReco12 who was the first to call mussolini "il duce" the socialists
who were setting up "fascio" gruops in italy, before the russian revolution? the socialists
what was mussolinis papers called? one of them was called "La Lotta di Classe (The Class Struggle)" XD
who praised mussolini in russia the most? Lenin
sounds like leftism to me
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Like Reagan, Mussolini started off as a left wing than went to the extreme right.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Reagen discovered free markets, and the values of limited govt
the very things mussolini opposed XD
"If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".
which leftist said that?
"Fascism has taken up an attitude of complete opposition to the doctrines of Liberalism, both in the political field and in the field of economics"
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Mussolini with conservative leaders(bourgeoisie) in Italy: watch?v=X6a10WAPxpc
The king would certainly have never appointed a leftist, anyway Mussolini actually said a fascist century would be the century of the RIGHT!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12
"If the bourgeoisie think they will find lightning conductors in us they are the more deceived; we must start work at once .... We want to accustom the working class to real and effectual leadership".
he said it would be a century of collectivism, and he must have been lying if he said that. he also said "Laissez faire is out of date" . To this day the basic free market doctrine of "laissez faire" is virtually a swear-word to most Leftists. Quoted from Smith (1967, p. 87).
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
The Fascist State does not create a "God" of its own, as Robespierre once, at the height of the Convention's foolishness, wished to do; nor does it vainly seek, like Bolshevism, to expel religion from the minds of men. Fascism respects the God of the ascetics, of the saints, of the heroes, and also God as seen and prayed to by the simple and primitive heart of the people.
-Mussolini.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 mussolini was atheist too XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Mussolini was a atheist when he was young but became a catholic when he was fascist dictator of Italy.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 mussolini was atheist until last days of the italian socialist republic, as his wife proves XD
but it matters little. Hugo Chavez is also christian XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century
-Mussolini
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 and heres what fascist liars like yourself leave out. "If the XIXth century was the century of the individual (liberalism implies individualism) we are free to believe that this is the "collective" century, and therefore the century of the State."
there is no such thing as right wing statist collectivism. Mao for example was a leftist statist collectivist, XD Mussolini was leftist and even as we were in Rome, he went north and founded the "italian socialist republic" XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Italian SOCIAL republic
Are you really that dishonest?
The Right have often used the state to crush its opponents and destroy democracy, look at the videos down the bottom for more recent examples.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Social = Socialist!!! Same thing!!!
oh and as to your other point, look at your own country ChinaMan. The Left have often used the state to crush its opponents and destroy democracy. right wing dictators are very rare, and none of them are totalitarian. As is proven Fascism is leftist, it believes in collectivism XD
oh and you dont know difference between the words "dictator" and "totalitarian". you dont even know what the word "fascist" even means XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
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@SuperGOPman
"right wing dictators are very rare"
Their have been more right wing dictators than leftist dictators.
"It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right,
a Fascist century"
The founder of facism called it a right wing movement!
Social and socialist is not the same thing. Indeed, between 1920-1943 Mussolini was the head of the kingdom of Italy.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Again, Italian social republic(sounds more like the US REPUBLICAN party than anything else) was its proper name. His wife said that Mussolini was religious watch?v=TMp4Q5qeUi.
Did you watch the videos yet?
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Social = Socialist. For proof just ask some "social dems" what they think the word "social" means XD It was the "italian socialist republic" XD
Mussolini's widow, Rachele, stated that her husband had remained "basically irreligious (atheist) until the later years of his life."
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
"social" does not mean "socialist". Anyway, his Social REPUBLIC(GOP) was merely a puppet state of Nazi Germany.
Mussolini died a christian, as confirmed by his wife.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 "social" does mean "socialist". and you dont even know what republic means either, i think you're confusing the term for our party XD
did we have the union of soviet socialist REPUBLICS too? You must think so :D XD
"Mussolini died a christian, as confirmed by his wife."
yep, but his worst deeds were done ... as an atheist XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
oh, and the social republic was ruled by the REPUBLICAN Fascist party.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 REPUBLICAN in this sense means WITHOUT A KING.
the definition of republic.
IT WAS STILL SOCIALIST
you are such a epic fail :D XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Italian SOCIAL republic which was ruled by the REPUBLICAN Fascist party.
Thats what the GOP should call itself.
And yes it was a rightwing party, thats why Mussolini's followers joined rightwing parties after the war.
And it is YOU who tries to use labels to characteristic the ideology of the party.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "Mussolini's followers joined rightwing parties after the war"
Lies again. Is this why Alessandra Mussolini is so "progressive" on stances on many issues? including abortion, artificial insemination, gay rights and civil unions. She has been an outspoken "feminist". and has been described by conservative commentators as a "socialist" and a "left-winger"
i care little for your opinions The Mussolins are as left wing as each other XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Alessandra Mussolini is a member of the Silvio Berlusconi "People of Freedom party".
Your lies exposed again.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Alessandra Mussolini holds many leftist positions, as i have proved.
Your lies exposed again.
Silvio Berlusconi
LOL!!!
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
"(leftist/centrist) Christian Democrats"
They were the conservative party in italy which was heavily funded by the united states.Look at the elections.
Yes, i have proved that the ex supporters of Mussolini can now be found in parties associated with the political RIGHT.
Indeed, the conservative Silvio Berlusconi expressed admiration for Mussolini and is supported by his grand daughter.
MrReco12 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
Following Michelini's failed approach of inserimento, Almirante introduced a double strategy of hard anti-systemic discourse combined with the creation of a broader "National Right" (Destra Nazionale) coalition.[20] He broadened the party in both conservative and radical directions, as he initiated cooperation and eventual merger with the Monarchist National Party, and reintegrated Rauti and other radicals into the party.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Formed in 1946 by supporters of former Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, the party became the fourth largest party in Italy by the early 1960s. The MSI gave informal local and eventually national support to the (leftist/centrist) Christian Democrats from the late 1940s and through the 1950s. In the early 1960s, the party was pushed to the sidelines of Italian politics, and only gradually started to gain some political recognition in the 1980s
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
Oh, the Nazis were known to murder homosexuals and throw them into concentration camps for being "sexual deviants".
"It is better to be a fascist than a faggot"
-Alessandra Mussolini
A champion of gay rights(sarcastic)
She also has an extreme rightist and racist position on immigration.
There is a reason why she supports the conservative Freedom party you know! XD
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 Soviet Union hated homosexuals! XD
Engels apparantly hated "the abominable practice of sodomy" and homosexuality "degraded alike" the greek "gods and themselves with the myth of Ganymede " according to the soviets at least XD
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
LOL, you just said that Mussolini is a leftist because she supports gay rights. How quick you were to change your tune :D
Most groups were hostile to homosexuals, including the conservative fascist Rick Sanatorium.
He supports discrimination just like the fascists did.
Homosexuality was banned under the Tsar, legalized under Lenin and recriminated under Stalin.
MrReco12 1 week ago
@MrReco12 Marrage is betweem one man and one woman. that is how our creator designed it.
How quick you were to change your tune, you said opposition to the homosexuals agenda is inherently right wing. so i proved you were wrong with engels XD
not everyone who opposes the gay agenda is right wing, ther are many left wing opponents too, but the people who are for the gay agenda and destruction of marrage are left wing
Santorum 2012!!! To beat the fascist in the white house
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
Engles agreed with you and Santorum on homosexuality.
LOL, you claimed that the granddaughter of Mussolini was leftist because she was pro gay rights. You are such an idiot!
MrReco12 1 week ago
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@MrReco12 "Engles agreed with you and Santorum on homosexuality"
even a broken clock is correct twice a day. He still hated Faith Family and Freedom (and slavs and jews) and was wrong on just about everything else
"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists."
explain this quote. why did marx and engels, want to destroy the family, which is the fabric of all civilization?
Oh and a book for you, "the pink swastika" XD
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@MrReco12 "Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists."
explain this quote. why did marx and engels, want to destroy the family, which is the fabric of all civilization?
because they had no morality (being atheists) thats why!
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@MrReco12 so the way they are going.. is only to try to making themselves more electable. that is all.
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
SO Mussolini's supporters and her descendents joined Right wing parties and conservative coalitions after the war.
Whats it like being always wrong?
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
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@MrReco12
SO Mussolini's supporters and her descendents joined Left wing parties, had leftist outlooks (that are/were not electable) and supported a leftist/centrist party after the war. Whats it like being always wrong?
SuperGOPman 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman
The funny thing is that when Mussolini(to save himself from the communists and socialists who were hunting him) tried to nationalize businesses, Nazi Germany exempted the entire industrial base because it was owned by Nazi loving capitalists.
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 There have been more leftwing dictators than right wing dictators: Here is a whole pack of them : Hitler Mussolini Franco Petain Leopold II Tojo of Japan Lenin Stalin Mugabe Chavez Gadaffi Kim Jong il. Mumbarak Mao the napoleons I and III Robespierre Pol-pot Ceaucescu Antonescu castro Karimov Mbasogo Berdymukhammedov Thein Sein Afewerki etc etc
Not all of them are communist or fascist or totalitarian however, you dont know what those words are, which is why you havent defined them
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Watch these videos:
watch?v=TQ-E--rmi3k
watch?v=dRRECOsxIyE
watch?v=EeUF_H8RBCQ
watch?v=DlV3rDKC1yE
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Krupp: a capitalist: leftwing?
In your dreams. XD
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "Krupp: a capitalist: leftwing?"
yep, even more so than capitalist "Warren Buffet"
the left are always well financed, eg that socialist in the white house XD
Santorum 2012
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
It describes the Tsar as the "supreme ruler" who sent saber wielding cossacks to attack demonstrators. Nice own goal!
MrReco12 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 who says i support the tsar? Im a republican. XD
do you know what a republic even is? XD
do you?
you should watch parts 2 and 3 and 4 XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 Again define these words please XD
Totalitarianism
Dictatorship
Socialism
Communism
Fascism
Left-wing
Right-wing
my bet is you do not even truly understand any one of these words but well see anyway soon i hope. Learn some history and some english too XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
Again i ask, why did Hitler persecute socialists, communists, social democrats and trade unionists while he supported capitalists and conservatives?
No, the Right always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why they supported Hitler, Pinochet, Franco, Mussolini against democracy.
They love far right dictators!
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 你是一个机器人任何机会，或者是由您支付您的法西斯政府？
胡锦涛必须是真的爱你，像你爱他，党和毛泽东，在所有的历史最差的。他在短短的4年大屠杀35,000,000。
its very early in morning and im still tired, catch you later XD
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "Chinese politician Wang Lijun mysteriously disappears amid rumours he tried to defect" National post. You must be so proud of your communist heroes and what they may have done to Wang Lijun, just like you are proud of Lenin and Stalin and what they done to everyone who opposed ther regimes, like all the socialists and communists, social democrats and trade unionists your heroes murdered
The Left always resorts to Totalitarianism. Thats why they supported Hitler, against democracy.
SuperGOPman 2 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Socialism hates democracy as is proven by the many fascist dictators you support, so another video for you XD
The American Form of Government
watch?v=DioQooFIcgE
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
HA HA, loved that stupid video!
This is the conservative form of government: watch?v=EeUF_H8RBCQ
A historic example of fascist conservatives destroying democracy.(as they always do)!
Hitler was Far Right, Spanish anarchists(when their is no government) were on the far left.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 HA HA, I loved that video too :D
This is the real conservative form of government and what we stand for:
watch?v=RmUJY5EugcM
A historic example of your socialist heroes destroying nation-states.(as they always do)!
watch?v=PAPctERefgk (and what they invaded, was actually a socialist nation to begin with XD)
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
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SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
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SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
Why do Rundstedt1´s excellent post with quoation from wellrespetcted historians like Robert.O.Paxton and Ian Kershaw,been marked as spam?Is this some personal spam campain goin on here?Some cowards that not could take a civil debate with Rundstedt1 because of lack of courage and knowledge,just spam his comments?In that case it shows the level of todays right wingers!A shame!
zsylvana 1 month ago
@zsylvana
It was probably SuperGOPman(who supporters Pinochet), he hates facts.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
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"Fascist regimes functioned like an epoxy: an amalgam of two very different agents, fascist dynamism and conservative order, bonded by shared enmity toward liberalism and the Left, and a shared willingness to stop at nothing to destroy their common enemies." Robert O. Paxton. "The Anatomy of Fascism", p147
All fascism did was combine conservatism with a new populist energy, just like the Rightwing teabaggers
"Hitler was never a socialist." - Ian Kershaw, a very respected historian of the era
Rundstedt1 1 month ago
"At the beginning Nazi socialism worked as well as a socialist system ever could" - New york Times Jun 21, 1942
"It must not be forgotten that Nazi philosophy rejects capitalism with other inventions of the Devil." - New York Times - Jan 24, 1935
NYT is more reliable than your post war apologetics Marxist source because New York Times were leftists that praised hitler and saw him for socialist he really was. LOL
SuperGOPman 2 months ago
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@SuperGOPman This is what a leading Nazi Supporter had to say:
Everywhere industry was hiring again, with some firms -- like Krupp, IG Farben and the large automobile manufacturers -- taking on new workers on a very large scale. As the country became more prosperous, car sales increased by more than 80,000 units in 1933 alone. Employment in the auto industry doubled. Germany was gearing up for full production, with private industry leading the way.
-Leon Degrell.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@SuperGOPman
"Whatever they [Americans] don't like about Chancellor Hitler and his political party, they are obliged to honor it for one thing: National Socialism has defended capitalism." - Portsmouth Times - Jul 6, 1934.
The Nazis also privatized the economy :D
You fail again.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
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@MrReco12 who is the author? Was he a Marxist by any chance? XD
"At the beginning Nazi socialism worked as well as a socialist system ever could" - New york Times Jun 21, 1942
"It must not be forgotten that Nazi philosophy rejects capitalism with other inventions of the Devil." - New York Times - Jan 24, 1935
that paper is more reliable, because we all know how progressive it was, it even denied stalins holocaust of ukrainians like you deny maos holocaust of 35 million of his slaves
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
If Nazis were socialists than why did Hitler try so damned hard to destroy socialism. He saw socialism and communism as part of a global Jewish conspiracy. He blamed social democrats for the decline of Germany after the First World War. Stop reading Jonah Goldberg! He is not a serious author. He was only interested in heading off efforts by liberals at getting revenge on conservatives for wrongly calling them communists for years by turning the tables and calling conservatives fascists/Nazis.
Activeassholeonpills 4 months ago
@Activeassholeonpills Again, Jonah Goldberg was only interested in the continuation of the war of words. He had no bones about conflating Liberals with Nazis and Communists at the same time(in spite of historical and ideological differences) because he was taking advantage of the uninformed nature of his readers. Most of his readers didn't know two shits about political theory. They were just a bunch of Rightists who needed a new insult for liberals. Textbook knowledge means dick to them!
Activeassholeonpills 4 months ago
The Nazis were in favor of absolute government control, just like today's modern Democrats. Ergo, Nazism equals the Democratic Party.
8thRRFS 4 months ago
@8thRRFS Are we Nazis or Communists? I'm confused! I thought we were communists! At least, that's what conservatives have been calling us since the 1950s. Which is it?
Activeassholeonpills 4 months ago
@Activeassholeonpills I'm old enough to remember when the Dem. party still had loyal sane Americans such as JFK (a strong anti-communist) and Scoop Jackson, a fiscal conservative. But today's Dem party is infested with Marxists and loony leftists, i.e. Obama, Nancy Pelousy and Barbara Boxer to name just a few, who are intent on destroying this once great country. So the answer to your question is: The current Dem. party is a hybrid of the two evils that you mention.
8thRRFS 4 months ago
@8thRRFS Actually JFK was considered to be weak on communism by the rabid right of the time. The Dems have received more money from business and wall st the last 4 years. And Clinton signed the biggest pro corporate legislation (NAFTA) in history. Leftists? Yeah, not so much. The furthest left is Kucinich. What your spouting is more FOX News/Talk Radio nonsense. This country is being destroyed for numerous reasons. With that said, your comment makes zero sense whatsoever.
DaHonestAbe 3 months ago
@DaHonestAbe Dems get lots of money from Radical Unions. Leftists? Yeah
SuperGOPman 2 months ago
@SuperGOPman
"The whole of the French upper and middle classes - the right, if you like - preferred the idea of the Germans to their own Communists and i think you can call that a very powerful fifth column, and it was worked to death by the Germans" - Major General Sir Edward Spears, Conservative MP and Churchill's personal representative in France. Quoted in Richard Holmes (ed) "The World at War: The Landmark Oral history from the Classic TV series", p97.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 "The whole of" Lies!!
what about Paul Reynaud who backed a strong alliance with the United Kingdom and, unlike many others on the French Right, even better relations with the Soviet Union as a counterweight against the Nazi Germans? XD
this doesnt explain why communist papers praised nazis, and their "workers" for collaborating with them "well done comrades and keep it up even if it displeases the middle classes" they said XD
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe
SuperGOPman sadly supports the Fascist Dictator Pinochet!
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 这来的人赞扬毛泽东？你甚至不知道为什么我调用的独裁者，“独裁者”吗？
它的时间为你得到一些更多的英语课，从“老师”
SuperGOPman 3 weeks ago
@MrReco12 Oh I know. Look up Paul Schaefer, the fugitive Nazi who helped Pinochet construct the prison camps for the "enemies of the state." Pinochet was aided by an actual Nazi, gotta love it.
DaHonestAbe 3 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe
The guy was also a pedophile.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
@DaHonestAbe
The guy was also a pedophile.
MrReco12 3 weeks ago
at least Hitler was...
PureGeniusMarketing 5 months ago
The Nazis where Christian...
PureGeniusMarketing 5 months ago
@PureGeniusMarketing I guess that's why they desecrated churches, closed down religious youth organizations, secularized education, outlawed public religious charity and removed the Bible and Cross from churches...
Iisdabest889 5 months ago
The Socialism in National Socialism was referring to the Socialism of the right-wing philosopher Oswald Spengler (Nationalistic Corporatism), not Marx or any of the traditional Socialist thinkers.
UncleFred34 7 months ago
Nazism is a combination of right and left elements, more right than left, though. To call it one or the other is REALLY fucking ignorant.
tstruss912 8 months ago 2