Imagine creationism being part of the Medical science curriculum? Hahahaha, American doctors would eventually prescribe praying as a cure to all sorts of ailments. Imagine going to a Doctor and he says "Well I think you need to pray to your Intelligent designer abit more, judging by your health you really need it, heres a prescription for some prayers by the local church....Their prayers will help you get better". LOL
I am muslim and i just dont see the point of teaching Creationism as part of a Science course in a classroom. If you want to teach them Creationism, then teach it in a religious class, or a catholic school etc. Creationism =/= Science, so it cant be taught as part of a science class, whether its Christian creationism, or Muslim creationism, which are both essentially the same.
You all attack creationists with a religious fervor of your own. Have you ever stopped to seriously study the evidence for Darwin's theory? If you did, you'd calmly accept that he was wrong by all the evidence that proves him wrong rather than making arrogant looking-down-your-nose cracks about creationist in an attempt to hide your own heated frustration that someone is challenging your religion. Yes, that's what it is. Evolution is the selfish atheist's religion and you're deluding yourself.
@7F0X7 Evolution is not a fact some might say, which is fine, but that is the accepted scientific point of view. Creationism is something out of the Bible, Torah or Quran, so its a religious point of view exclusive to Abrahamic religions. So i dont see why Creationism needs to be taught in a classroom if the school doesnt teach religion, simple as that. What about the Buddhist religion, they might not believe in Creationism, should that be taught as well? This is coming from a muslim.
@iHacksorzz You make a very good point. Creationism in a religious context is not science and does not belong in a science class. However, from what the fossil record and geologic rock layers indicate, I believe based on the physical evidence in the world that some omnipotent creator must have created all life on Earth at relatively the same time. I'm not saying that as a Christian, I'm saying that based solely on science and THAT's what I would love to debate an evolutionist on.
Naziism, misogyny,polygamy, all points of view. The flying spaghetti monster, the turtle god, Muhammad the pedophile prophet. Good idea Huckabee you fucking failed fallen craven coward creationist zealot moron. No wonder America is known to be the least intelligent civilized country on earth
Children have the right to view all the theories, including that the Earth used to be part of the Eternal Kingdom of Mighty Odin, I mean, God, but when giants (dinosaurs) invaded it, it was moved out of "Eternity" and the Aesir, I mean, Angels, created, out of Odin's Eye, a Mortal (temporal) universe to put the Earth into. But the Earth started to decay (evolution) under the influence of the giants and it's up to humans, who volunteered, to finish the job, so the human race can return to Heaven.
And may the good lawd shave your hole, and bless you with the knowledge that the difference between a woman in a bath and a nun is that the nun has her soul full of hope.
Praise be, I say praise bees and prays be to the All Might Be Magic Man.
If you're Christian and you're children don't know creationism, maybe you aren't going to church enough. Remember: a good brain-washing requires repetition, lots and lots of repetition.
yeah I agree. The only problem is that creationism is bullshit.
>Why cant we also teach the alternative theory that the holocaust never happened. Oh, and the alternative theory that jews are behind everything bad in this world.
What about those. Are we going to have censorship towards Neo-Nazis? well that wouldnt be very fair would it.
Well Mr. Huckabee, the problem with that is that we're talking about a science course. Creationism is not, by any means, scientific. That should be the end of that, but some brain-dead people in America still insist on dragging the rest of us down.
One single question: What the hell does creationism have to do with biology? Every arguement I've heard about creationism has nothing to do with biology what-so-ever.
I'd like to thank my grand parents for immigrating to a country where creationism has no hope of ever making it in the school system, I even went to a private catholic school, even they refused to teach this shit because it makes no sence. !.....
@55metalmonkey Ditto. Catholic school, no creationist teaching, but we have a problem in the UK.
The national curriculum requires that Darwinian evolution is put across as the dominant scientific theory, but also requires that pupils are taught how scientific controversies can result from different ways of interpreting empirical data. That's the back door to teaching creationism & some faith based school are exploiting the loophole. As yet I don't what to do, but I'm working on the problem.
@GuillemotWatcher One simple thing separates science fact from general thoughts and ideas... it must be able to survive peer reviwed scrutiney, untill that happens it's just a thought put to paper. Creationism can't meet this benchmark beacuse it uses poorly conducted (juvenile) research altered to fit a pre-concieved ideal based on faith. To propose creationism is the 2nd (or next) most dominant theory is silly since it's not a "real theory" in the scientific context of theory.
@55metalmonkey I agree. I believe our curriculum needs to define 'scientific controversy' & in relation to teaching the theory of evolution, specifically exclude Intelligent Design. The wedge strategy of the Discovery Institute is working & the British government need to wake up.
In the Dover case it was ruled that "The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labelling of creationism, and not a scientific theory." It should not be allowed to be taught.
@GuillemotWatcher at least the precidence has been set that it's crap. I would still be inclined to call/email my MP and let him/her know your opinion on the loophole and the possibility of it turning into a never ending legal battle when every religion on the planet wants their baseless crap ideas on how we came to be taught as well. Judicial 3 ring circus with a full freak sideshow comes to mind.
Science is NOT democratic and science does NOT provide a version of the truth or a "point of view".Science provides THE TRUTH.If Mike disagrees he is invited to jump from a skyscraper.
Science is fact. The scientific term theory is derived when a hypothesis is so thoroughly tested or supported by evidence that no contrary hypothesis could explain it.
Gravity works because of certain laws. Gravity is a theory. Do you say God's holding you down or a giant multi armed invisible octopus.
E-MC2 is an equation based on scientific theory but you wouldn't say god makes an Atomic Bomb go boom would you?
*facepalm* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
maybe after they give both "theories" to the beginnings of life equal time, they can give the theory of astrology equal time to astronomy. That way, we can just let the kids decide.
I'm so glad I have family in Canada I can run to when the US becomes a Theocracy. Good luck to all you Americas with American parents. lol.
"The state should give exposure to ALL points of view" I must say I jolly well agree. Included should be Bible Criticism, psychosocial manipulation and evangelical terrorism by religionists, clergy sexual and fiduciary scandals, how to identify and debunk charlatan preachers, pastorbation....etc
Lets also teach about a flat earth, fake moon landing, alien reptoids, the "NWO", the "fake holocaust" etc etc...
We should add a course about the possibility that demons are responsible for diseases in all medical schools. If a doctor is having a hard time diagnosing a patient, call in the excorcist!
NO NO NO you stupid little man. If we start teaching every stupid "theory", there will be no time for ACTUAL learning. ID-iot...
As much as I abhor much of what religion has done to fuck up this world, it has also brought us amazing art, music, and architecture. And for the purely educational aspect, I find nothing wrong with teaching it, not as a given, but as something that affects people's lives around the world, and more than occasionally to act like idiots.
Yes, we should also teach the stork theory with sexual reproduction theory, and astrology in an astronomy class, and intelligent falling alongside the theory of gravity, faith healing alongside medicine, alchemy alongside chemistry and disc-shaped earth theory alongside the spherical earth theory.
We must teach the controversy in all aspects of science! No need to single out only the evolution 'controversy'
my high school in Oklahoma is planing to have a bible class next year and Im not real sure if that gos agent the law or not, and If it dose become a class i think it should teach all religion mythology and only a atheist teacher can run the class.
A public school student, concerned with the lack of proper teaching of evolution in Arkansas's science classrooms, asks then-governor Huckabee what the State should do. He replies that schools should teach creationism. ---- rhetoric much?
"What do you believe is the appropriate role of the state in mandating the curricula of the given course?"
The state should give exposure to ALL points of view.
yes Huckabee, lets teach the holy learnings of creationism, they have no valid proof, ut lets do it so we can praise the holy sky father ZEUS/Krishna/Odin/Allah/yahwe/Jupiter/horus or one of the other thousands of creationist myths in the world.
As long as they explain to me how Cronus, father of Zeus became the first god and how Thor got Mjolnir, I am cool. I have always had a burning desire to know these things from a scientific point of view.
Ofcorse they should teach the story of evolution in schools and let the children decide what they believe in, the story of evolution or the theory of the FSM that created the earth, mountains, trees and midgits.
ALL points of view? ALL of them? In one year? This guy apparently sees in binary, where there is only creationism vs. evolution. He discounts thousands of other creation myths and theories in one swift move, which is the supreme irony of evangelicalism.
I totally agree with Mike on this one... Students should be exposed to ALL points of view.... Here's a point of view for ya Mike - you're a religious nut and your existence alone disproves creationism.
I don't think most people understand what a hypothesis has to go through before it can become a theory. Theory is the end point of the scientific method, in order to get to that point a hypothesis undergoes ruthless testing and modification, followed by relentless peer review before it can be developed into a theory. Even then it only takes one variation from the predicted outcome of a theory to completely sink it. Evolution has weathered the storm for 150 years and still remains valid.
Wow, I watched the clip, then I read the comments. People, I'm very disappointed in you, especially the Americans. America is about being open-minded, and having all points of view accepted by the community, not only as a whole, but even every individual. While it's true that there are several proven points about evolution, there are also several disproven points about it, which is why it's still a theory. And the sad thing, is this comment will mean nothing to you, and will likely be flagged.
@MazorKuziaki Yes America is all about that but science is not. In the scientific community running around and just spouting off whatever idea you have as a theory with no supporting evidence is academic suicide. In science you must have observable verifiable physical evidence to support any claims you make, that is how science works. Allowing people to express their beliefs is a nice idea, but it is not scientific and therefore has no place in a science class. Creationism belongs in philosophy.
@MazorKuziaki did you know you are wrong in your definition of a Scientific Theory? most people think a theory is something that is thought to occur, rather to be certain, but it actually is "An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories may be redefined as new hypotheses are tested"
@MazorKuziaki stupid character limit. also, I acknowledge that The Theory of Evolution has point against it, but just because it is not perfect does not mean people should turn instantly to a new theory/explanation (god and the bible) that, while perfect (and i use that term loosly), cannot be tested. I have not read all of your comments thus far (i am going to however), but i also want to point out that the Bible was written 100s of years after the supposed life of Christ
I haven't got a problem with teaching the creation myths of the various mainstream religions ... provided that they are all given equal credence and not taught in science class.
Huckabee, what a tit. Evolution has survived a monumental amount of scrutiny. That is why it is taught. Evolution is supported by a mountain of facts and evidence. Creation does not stand up to even rudimentary scrutiny.
I am a convinced creationist, but see no reason why creationism should be taught in public schools.
they dont want it, and it would be waste of time forcing it on anyone
If the church were doing its job they would not seek state mandated support. If the apostles did not have it (state support, tax breaks, etc) WE DONT NEED IT.
Besides, America is so warlike its claims to be a christian country are shown to be false
Science is not a collection of "points of view", Huck. Students don't need to be exposed to all points of view on subjects. That's ridiculous. Do you realize how much time that would take up? There are Native stories of creation from all over the world that are varied and highly detailed. What you mean to say is that you believe students should be exposed to YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
Just think, Alchemy, Astrology creationism are coming back with HAckabee! Can't wait for the other points of view too, such as Hindu, Aztec, Greek mythology and ancient eygptian origins of life to name only a few of thousands. Woo hoo! No more math, science, literature or history classes........All of our youth will learn magic and witchcraft too! Oh, Wait....He didn't get elected did he!?!
i agree teach all theories...that is if creationism goes through all the scientific steps to become an actual theory, with experiments and peer-reviews supporting it
not too much to ask right? i mean if they'll make evolution a theory they'll make anything a theory
I 'm so scare that Huckabee wants all points of view! That is unfair! We can't tolarate any other point of view in the school sistem! I don't want my kids to be expose to other ideas, it should be forbiden by law! I love the idea that my granddady was an ape!" no wonder I like babanas! lol!
Yeah, you see science is driven by EVIDENCE and id/creationism doesn't have any. It's not testable or observable in any way. It's not actually science. Teaching that the war of 1812 started in 1936 is about a smart and evidence based.
Here's some "other ideas"
Astrology 9/11 denialism Moon landing hoax Holocaust denialism Why not those "ideas" as well?
Are you an holocaust deniel on top of all?? do you know that evolution was one of the reasoning on justyfing the holocaust? have you ever read the original name of The Origin of the Especies?? Qoute: The Origin of Spieces by Means of natural SElection or the PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGLE FOR LIFE 1859!
"do you know that evolution was one of the reasoning on justyfing the holocaust?"
No, because Hitler was a creationist who believed in inalterable created kinds. That's also why he was a racist.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."- Adolf hitler.
Wow you are already r out of arguments, punching low, huh, It was espected from some one whos mind is close to the world arround him. The worst of the blind are who refuse to see and who will not allow others to see!
they should also be taught of the theories of reincarnation because people believe that, and they should be exposed to all points of view [whether factual or not]
oh, and before someone says I'm being extreme, there are FOUR TIMES the number of historians that deny the hollocaust than there are scientists that deny evolution.
And gravity has more holes in its theory
Scientific theory is the highest proof you can get. If you don't like the terminology, get the fuck out
that's just wonderful mr huckabee. what about letting all religions teach their ideas in public school?!?! think we have enough hours in a day for just religion? how about, i don't know, making it an elective in college? can we do that?
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Jeremy, When the time comes that you won't be in control, you will have to yield to a higher power. Study Saul in the Bible. Learn how he became the apostle Paul, who wrote some of the most influential books of the Bible. I'm not interested in your "half the glass empty" angry criticisms. I will pray for you because it's in my heart do to so. I have been given the heart to love all of God's children. You may choose your path, just as I choose mine. Blessings
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Jeremy, Because I believe there is hope for everyone, even you. I've have seen a murderer become a prominent and productive part of society. I have seen people delivered from prostitution, alcoholism, drug addictions, suicidal tendencies...All by allowing God to work in their lives. Why do I pray for you? Because you don't know what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is, so how can you commit it? You have an obsessive need to be in control. There will be a time in your life when you won't be
Pth, Think of it like this: You have a 100 piece puzzle. You put the entire puzzle together except for one piece. You've lost the last piece. You take a piece from another puzzle and try to make it fit. This extra piece of puzzle was not designed to go into the puzzle you have almost completed. No matter how hard you try the piece does not fit. Men and women fit.
Pth, Love is beautiful! We are called to love each other. A man is to love a man, as a woman is to love a woman, just not romantically. I have seen both sides of this fence. I am loving you as my brother. This is why I am conversing with you. We are a carnal society: what feels good, what looks good, what tastes good - we believe is good. Not always. I am praying that God will help you see truth and that He will bring someone into your life that helps you find your way. Blessings!
Pth, According to the CDC over 60% of HIV transmissions are men to men. Homosexuals acquire syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.... When we step outside of God's design there is consequence. Our sins make our lives less fruitful and more difficult.
Jeremy, CDC and the internet are my sources. Yes, heterosexuals are also affected by sexually transmitted diseases. I never said they weren't. They are more prevalent in the gay community. I suggest you do your homework as to why. I also did not say that it was God's punishment. Man punishes himself. Sexually transmitted diseases would not exist if it were not for promiscuity. Anger comes when one does not want to accept truth. Understand, that I am not hateful towards anyone.
Since homosexuals AND heterosexuals get STDs, why would it matter who contracts STDs more? Is it because you want to bash gays?
What does the CDC stand for? Where is your citation?
The INTERNET is your source? Sigh, there are good and bad sources on the internet.
"[STDs] would not exist if it were not for promiscuity." Where is your science to back up that ignorant statement? The truth is that STDs don't care who they infect. Your god has nothing to do with it.
Jeremy, In 1746 the first case of a STD was treated. The STD was syphilis. Syphilis is contracted through human and animal sexual contact. Promiscuity has allowed this disease along with other STD's to spread. If man and woman were to have one partner, in accordance with God's laws (no animals, no multiple partners, no homosexuality, no sexual immorality) these diseases would not be spread. Pth specifically asked me how homosexuality is destructive. I simply answered his question in truth.
Jeremy, "A bundle of myrrh is my beloved to me. That lies all night between my breasts." "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth." These are scriptures in the Bible. I never said sex was immoral. God designed sex to be an exhilarating act of love that brings a man and a woman together to become one. Where their breath is no longer their own, but belongs to each other. When it is conceived from matrimonial love, not lust, it can be everlasting, never to be dulled. How great is our God!
Yes, religion is based on faith, which is belief without evidence...for no good reason. With faith, you can believe ANYTHING you want. That means that your faith-claims are no less ridiculous than any other. You're no better than the Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, Scientologists, etc. I hope that you one day realize this simple point and don't entirely waste your life.
Jeremy, I am not better than anyone. I have personally experienced what God can do. I have gone from hate to love, proverty to prosperity, immorality to morality, found my true purpose...I have experience miracles in my life. If all this good is ridiculous to you, so be it. I choose God. It is arrogant to think that there is not something bigger and greater than ourselves. Creation of all things is miraculously intricate. Again, who do you choose?
People "experience" what their gods can do all the time. People report all sorts of experiences about various gods, like Allah, Yahweh, Thor, Zeus, etc. Your "experience" is evidence of nothing outside your mind.
Jeremy, I was a at dead stop with multiple cars directly in front of me. A truck hit me from behind at 60mph. When it was all done and over I was sitting about 300ft. in a gravel drive way of a church parking lot(not a another church for miles) without touching any of the vehicles in front of me. The truck that hit me was completely totalled. I didn't have a scratch or a bruise on me. Witnesses could not believe that I walked away without being injured. I call that a miracle.
Jeremy, Of course you call that luck. Unfortunely, people die. It's part of life. I don't know why people die when they do. Sometimes it's just their time. Possibly, they have completed their journey. Other times it's the act of the enemy. Good versus evil. I suppose you don't believe in that either.
"Unfortunely, people die. It's part of life." EXACTLY! You might have been 1 of 10 who survived HORRIFIC accidents and you claim that God saved you. If those other 9 people could be resurrected for 5 minutes, what might they say about your god?
Let's rephrase your earler statement: "Fortunately, people get lucky. It's part of life."
There's no sky nanny who intervenes in human affairs. For you to claim that you're special...that god saved YOU and let the others die, that's just arrogant.
Jeremy, I grew up in Hollywood, CA. I have had many friends that are homosexual and have loved them as everyone else. God's second greatest commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself" Have you lied, stolen something, lust after someone? That makes you a liar, a thief and an adulterer. We are all guilty of sin. Jesus came so we could be forgiven for our sins. No one is better than anyone else. I believe through God we can be better people making this world a better place to live in.
Jesus is make believe. There is no solid evidence that he existed. If he did, he certainly wasn't divine. He was an epic conman.
"Sin" is a silly, meaningless, religious word. There is no sky nanny to "sin" against.
I'm glad that the majority of Xians today are smart enough to NOT follow the advice of their "good book." If any Xian today attempted to literally follow the bible, they'd wind up in prison.
Jeremy, Anything that invites consequence is "sin". I used to think like you. Here's a challenge - try God out. Just ask Jesus to come into your life. Let go of your preconceived ideas, allow the power of God's Holy Spirit to come into your life, pray, study the teachings of Jesus, pray about finding a church that meets your spiritual needs. See what the other side of the fence looks like. Within 6 months (maybe sooner), your life will be more prosperous, loving, fulfilling, enlightening..
pth, Again, Man and woman were made anatomically correct. Huge clue as to God's divine plan. Whether a condom is used or not, is not the issue. A man and a man coming together or a woman and woman coming together is not and will never be God's plan. If you believe the Word of God (which I do), there are numerous references to man and wife (not man and man or woman and woman). You and I obviously have different views on this subject.
You're main point was that gay people spread std's, im telling you that this isn't an anatomical reason, it's because they're having unprotected sex. Now you're backpedaling and saying "WELL THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S WRONG" which holds no water with me.
Pth, Leviticus 18:22; "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman." It is an abomination". The consequence may not be immediately manifested, but it comes eventually. Hetrosexuals that have multiple partners, adultry, priests that sexually assault children, homosexuality... all come with consequence. Protection (not full-proof) may keep you from getting an STD, but it will not save your soul or allow you to fulfill God's purpose for your life.
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
This verse says that homosexuals should be executed. The bible is an ancient collection of desert prejudices. No rational, educated person follows the bible today.
It's disgusting that you won't even speak out against the hate-mongering in your filthy faith-book. Your make believe god says that homosexuals, stubborn children, non-virgin newly-weds and sabbath-workers should be put to death...and you support these acts.
Jeremy, Why do you think God sent Jesus? He came to add to, but not take away. Rather than destroying us, God knew that He needed to send us a savior, to show us the way and to render us forgiveness. We will all be judged if not sooner, latter. There is a consequence for wrongdoing (sin) no matter what. Stop blaming our destructive behavior on God. God is our judge not you not me. Who do you choose?
"Why do you think God sent Jesus?" Your god didn't send Jesus, because your god isn't real. Furthermore, there is no solid evidence that Jesus existed.
"God knew that He needed to send us a savior." You're saying that your god needed to send HIMSELF to save us from HIMSELF and He also needed to sacrifice HIMSELF to appease HIMSELF. What rational person believes this nonsense?
Why would I blame your god for anything? Your god isn't real.
Jeremy, Only one sin is unforgiveable. Do you know what it is? God knows our heart. He knows if we are stubbornly defiant. He knows our struggles. He knows if we are trying to be the best we can be. He is walking alongside trying to show us the way - if we'd only pay attention. A lot of your belief in who God is is warped. I'm guessing you have been taught wrong. That fear was the motivator. Unfortunate! People are murdered, by not knowing who God really is. Blessings!
Why would your loving, forgiving god declare an "unforgivable sin (blaspheming the "holy spirit")? Hmmm? Make up your mind, your god is forgiving or He's not.
"He is walking alongside trying to show us the way" God has legs? Have you seen him walk?
What I "believe your god is" is based on the bible. I can read.
Jeremy, I'm not sure why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Do you? I never said I have all the answers. That would make me God. Wouldn't it? He forgives all sins "but one". Is your glass half empty or half full? Funny. "Walk alongside", metaphorically speaking (you knew that). It's good you can read. Reading and experiencing are two different concepts. Try experiencing.
The fact that there is an unforgivable sin in the bible shows that Yahweh is unforgiving. So why do Christians always say that He is forgiving? That's a contradiction.
I HEREBY DENY THE POWER AND EXISTENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. YAHWEH IS MAKE BELIEVE.
Now, I'm damned to hell and there can be no forgiveness for me, according to your stupid religion. Mass murderers have a greater chance of entering heaven than I.
Jeremy, Then you have made your choice. I've enjoyed conversing with you. My heart goes out to you. I will, regardless of your belief pray for you. Love and peace.
Why would you pray for me? I've committed the Unforgivable Sin. There's no hope for me now.
Somewhere in that brainwashed head of yours you know that this whole thing is absurd. There's no cosmic thug who heard me deny the holy ghost and now refuses to forgive me. There's no petty, ruthless tyrant who sends people to a lake of fire.
Mike: "i believe we should expose students to all points of view..."
Does that include alchemy, astrology, and phrenology?????
Can anyone here give a single example of an idea that is taught in science class without the consensual agreement of the scientific community?
Suppose a group of people believed that objects fall down because invisible pixies pulled everything down, should that belief be taught along with gravity in the science classroom?
What is Christianity and the Bible? Outside of being a religious faith it is History! The school system teaches the theory of evolution. Unless there is some sort of "fear factor" it is only right that the "History" (including the teachings of Jesus) of Christianity and the Bible be taught in school. Teachers are an authoritative figure in childrens lives. Because children are taught only about the theory of evolution they tend to sway in that direction, believing that is the only option.
Too true, too true. But don't worry. Despite the brainwashing effects of evolution, the powerful truth of Scripture can quickly UNbrainwash students very easily, because the teaching of creation just simply makes sense. Where as the teaching of evolution really doesn't make sense.
Imagine creationism being part of the Medical science curriculum? Hahahaha, American doctors would eventually prescribe praying as a cure to all sorts of ailments. Imagine going to a Doctor and he says "Well I think you need to pray to your Intelligent designer abit more, judging by your health you really need it, heres a prescription for some prayers by the local church....Their prayers will help you get better". LOL
angellicvoices 7 hours ago
That's pretty cute, teach Med Students how to prescribe Hail Mary's to their patients while you're at it.
MMAenthusiastUHHE 4 weeks ago
wussy
oleomilani 1 month ago
I am muslim and i just dont see the point of teaching Creationism as part of a Science course in a classroom. If you want to teach them Creationism, then teach it in a religious class, or a catholic school etc. Creationism =/= Science, so it cant be taught as part of a science class, whether its Christian creationism, or Muslim creationism, which are both essentially the same.
iHacksorzz 2 months ago
You all attack creationists with a religious fervor of your own. Have you ever stopped to seriously study the evidence for Darwin's theory? If you did, you'd calmly accept that he was wrong by all the evidence that proves him wrong rather than making arrogant looking-down-your-nose cracks about creationist in an attempt to hide your own heated frustration that someone is challenging your religion. Yes, that's what it is. Evolution is the selfish atheist's religion and you're deluding yourself.
7F0X7 2 months ago
@7F0X7 Evolution is not a fact some might say, which is fine, but that is the accepted scientific point of view. Creationism is something out of the Bible, Torah or Quran, so its a religious point of view exclusive to Abrahamic religions. So i dont see why Creationism needs to be taught in a classroom if the school doesnt teach religion, simple as that. What about the Buddhist religion, they might not believe in Creationism, should that be taught as well? This is coming from a muslim.
iHacksorzz 2 months ago
@iHacksorzz You make a very good point. Creationism in a religious context is not science and does not belong in a science class. However, from what the fossil record and geologic rock layers indicate, I believe based on the physical evidence in the world that some omnipotent creator must have created all life on Earth at relatively the same time. I'm not saying that as a Christian, I'm saying that based solely on science and THAT's what I would love to debate an evolutionist on.
7F0X7 2 months ago
Naziism, misogyny,polygamy, all points of view. The flying spaghetti monster, the turtle god, Muhammad the pedophile prophet. Good idea Huckabee you fucking failed fallen craven coward creationist zealot moron. No wonder America is known to be the least intelligent civilized country on earth
699backstab 3 months ago
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Atheists believe that objects made them what they are.
Evolution is an absolute disgrace to science.
Objects never order anything, mutations never order anything and natural selection will only select what has already been ordered.
Evolution is so irrational that it should be removed from all classrooms.
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JungleJargon 4 months ago
Children have the right to view all the theories, including that the Earth used to be part of the Eternal Kingdom of Mighty Odin, I mean, God, but when giants (dinosaurs) invaded it, it was moved out of "Eternity" and the Aesir, I mean, Angels, created, out of Odin's Eye, a Mortal (temporal) universe to put the Earth into. But the Earth started to decay (evolution) under the influence of the giants and it's up to humans, who volunteered, to finish the job, so the human race can return to Heaven.
Unicron4ever 4 months ago
@Unicron4ever
Begorrah and bejaysus,
and sure praise be to the All Might Be Magic Man.
tellnet 2 months ago
@tellnet Save Me Jebus!
Unicron4ever 2 months ago
@Unicron4ever
And may the good lawd shave your hole, and bless you with the knowledge that the difference between a woman in a bath and a nun is that the nun has her soul full of hope.
Praise be, I say praise bees and prays be to the All Might Be Magic Man.
tellnet 2 months ago
OMG i get to learn about dragons now!!!!!!
so when do we learn how to shoot lightning out of our hands???
lol so stupid
490er 4 months ago
If you're Christian and you're children don't know creationism, maybe you aren't going to church enough. Remember: a good brain-washing requires repetition, lots and lots of repetition.
fatouche99 6 months ago 9
@fatouche99 That's why evollution should be taught to unborn fetuses. It needs all the repetition it can get.
rosebeeh 3 months ago
yeah I agree. The only problem is that creationism is bullshit.
>Why cant we also teach the alternative theory that the holocaust never happened. Oh, and the alternative theory that jews are behind everything bad in this world.
What about those. Are we going to have censorship towards Neo-Nazis? well that wouldnt be very fair would it.
gulbirk 6 months ago
But Mr. Huclabee - we are talking about the science class room.
Evidence based science. If you want to teach creationism then lets mandate a comparative religion class. That would be great.
MrBlueconservative 6 months ago
IS THAT A BOY OR A GIRL!??!??!!!?!!
EdgePitSwing 6 months ago
@EdgePitSwing
It's Mike Huckabee!!!
Gallard42 6 months ago
Well Mr. Huckabee, the problem with that is that we're talking about a science course. Creationism is not, by any means, scientific. That should be the end of that, but some brain-dead people in America still insist on dragging the rest of us down.
gamingsoul11 6 months ago
then teach it in your Sunday school classes
pillowbugg 6 months ago
This is just making a brand new war.
ExtremeLando 7 months ago
One single question: What the hell does creationism have to do with biology? Every arguement I've heard about creationism has nothing to do with biology what-so-ever.
MikeRomulus 7 months ago
I'd like to thank my grand parents for immigrating to a country where creationism has no hope of ever making it in the school system, I even went to a private catholic school, even they refused to teach this shit because it makes no sence. !.....
55metalmonkey 7 months ago
@55metalmonkey Ditto. Catholic school, no creationist teaching, but we have a problem in the UK.
The national curriculum requires that Darwinian evolution is put across as the dominant scientific theory, but also requires that pupils are taught how scientific controversies can result from different ways of interpreting empirical data. That's the back door to teaching creationism & some faith based school are exploiting the loophole. As yet I don't what to do, but I'm working on the problem.
GuillemotWatcher 7 months ago
@GuillemotWatcher One simple thing separates science fact from general thoughts and ideas... it must be able to survive peer reviwed scrutiney, untill that happens it's just a thought put to paper. Creationism can't meet this benchmark beacuse it uses poorly conducted (juvenile) research altered to fit a pre-concieved ideal based on faith. To propose creationism is the 2nd (or next) most dominant theory is silly since it's not a "real theory" in the scientific context of theory.
55metalmonkey 7 months ago
@55metalmonkey I agree. I believe our curriculum needs to define 'scientific controversy' & in relation to teaching the theory of evolution, specifically exclude Intelligent Design. The wedge strategy of the Discovery Institute is working & the British government need to wake up.
In the Dover case it was ruled that "The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labelling of creationism, and not a scientific theory." It should not be allowed to be taught.
GuillemotWatcher 7 months ago
@GuillemotWatcher at least the precidence has been set that it's crap. I would still be inclined to call/email my MP and let him/her know your opinion on the loophole and the possibility of it turning into a never ending legal battle when every religion on the planet wants their baseless crap ideas on how we came to be taught as well. Judicial 3 ring circus with a full freak sideshow comes to mind.
55metalmonkey 6 months ago
Who's view of creation, the Islamic view? the Hindu view?
gregrutz 7 months ago
Science is NOT democratic and science does NOT provide a version of the truth or a "point of view".Science provides THE TRUTH.If Mike disagrees he is invited to jump from a skyscraper.
Stevoukos 7 months ago
Huckabee wants Christianity crow barred into the public school system. This guy is a liberal asshole.
FaganRoberts 7 months ago
girl or boy at the beginning....
?
PensFan35 7 months ago
Science is not a point of view.
Science is fact. The scientific term theory is derived when a hypothesis is so thoroughly tested or supported by evidence that no contrary hypothesis could explain it.
Gravity works because of certain laws. Gravity is a theory. Do you say God's holding you down or a giant multi armed invisible octopus.
E-MC2 is an equation based on scientific theory but you wouldn't say god makes an Atomic Bomb go boom would you?
rrtodd95 7 months ago
*facepalm* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
maybe after they give both "theories" to the beginnings of life equal time, they can give the theory of astrology equal time to astronomy. That way, we can just let the kids decide.
I'm so glad I have family in Canada I can run to when the US becomes a Theocracy. Good luck to all you Americas with American parents. lol.
JoeyisDREADful 7 months ago
Man I want creationism to be taught in schools.. you know, out of morbid curiosity to see whether things could get any MORE fucked up. lol
lanceawatt 8 months ago
"The state should give exposure to ALL points of view" I must say I jolly well agree. Included should be Bible Criticism, psychosocial manipulation and evangelical terrorism by religionists, clergy sexual and fiduciary scandals, how to identify and debunk charlatan preachers, pastorbation....etc
JPTill 8 months ago
Creationismin in public schools? Sure, why not?
Lets also teach about a flat earth, fake moon landing, alien reptoids, the "NWO", the "fake holocaust" etc etc...
We should add a course about the possibility that demons are responsible for diseases in all medical schools. If a doctor is having a hard time diagnosing a patient, call in the excorcist!
NO NO NO you stupid little man. If we start teaching every stupid "theory", there will be no time for ACTUAL learning. ID-iot...
Zentz29 8 months ago 8
@Zentz29
"If a doctor is having a hard time diagnosing a patient, call in the excorcist!"
Medfag here. You made my sides hurt from laughter.
Kamehamayhem 1 month ago
@Kamehamayhem Always glad to put a smile on someone's face! lol
What does "Medfag" mean & is that a Dragonball Z reference in your name?
Zentz29 1 month ago
@Zentz29
Medfag = any individual with a career in medicine
And yes, it is a DBZ reference.
Kamehamayhem 4 weeks ago
As much as I abhor much of what religion has done to fuck up this world, it has also brought us amazing art, music, and architecture. And for the purely educational aspect, I find nothing wrong with teaching it, not as a given, but as something that affects people's lives around the world, and more than occasionally to act like idiots.
canadianroot 8 months ago
Fuck you cinderella is real
hgtrance 8 months ago
Yes, we should also teach the stork theory with sexual reproduction theory, and astrology in an astronomy class, and intelligent falling alongside the theory of gravity, faith healing alongside medicine, alchemy alongside chemistry and disc-shaped earth theory alongside the spherical earth theory.
We must teach the controversy in all aspects of science! No need to single out only the evolution 'controversy'
acherrybalm 9 months ago 2
If you wanna be taught creationism go to church!!!
CarissaXo99 9 months ago
People should be allowed to teach creationism in school...the moment we can teach evolution in church.
AmosTheTalented 9 months ago
and this is why america is declining. we are being run by right-wing fucking idiots.
tomitstube 9 months ago
Huckability is a jerk.
Cainkane1 10 months ago
my high school in Oklahoma is planing to have a bible class next year and Im not real sure if that gos agent the law or not, and If it dose become a class i think it should teach all religion mythology and only a atheist teacher can run the class.
FutureScience2012 10 months ago
@FutureScience2012 you can contact the National center for science eduction 510 601 7203 and report that. They deal with such problems
also visit: evolutionsiscool(com)
Serpico261 9 months ago
A public school student, concerned with the lack of proper teaching of evolution in Arkansas's science classrooms, asks then-governor Huckabee what the State should do. He replies that schools should teach creationism. ---- rhetoric much?
"What do you believe is the appropriate role of the state in mandating the curricula of the given course?"
The state should give exposure to ALL points of view.
freakman707 11 months ago
@freakman707 "The state should give exposure to ALL points of view"
Creationism should take up a paragraph or less. "It's all magic. God did it."
Teach the controversy:
watch?v=lq65hlbxdmk
OptimisticCynic715 9 months ago
I don't think he believes what he is saying, oh I forgot his a politician
birhan2006 11 months ago
yes Huckabee, lets teach the holy learnings of creationism, they have no valid proof, ut lets do it so we can praise the holy sky father ZEUS/Krishna/Odin/Allah/yahwe/Jupiter/horus or one of the other thousands of creationist myths in the world.
Fundamentalist, dumbing down the world.
ueks69 11 months ago
Teaching creationism in schools is a bad idea.
Teflon65 11 months ago
Everything about Huckabee disgusts me.
davidls11 11 months ago
they can teach creationism all day long in a religious class...creationism requires the belief in the supernatural... it ain't science....
ab330 11 months ago
As long as they explain to me how Cronus, father of Zeus became the first god and how Thor got Mjolnir, I am cool. I have always had a burning desire to know these things from a scientific point of view.
thelordmemnoch 11 months ago
I couldn't agree more with the guy.
Ofcorse they should teach the story of evolution in schools and let the children decide what they believe in, the story of evolution or the theory of the FSM that created the earth, mountains, trees and midgits.
ILIYYILI 1 year ago
ALL points of view? ALL of them? In one year? This guy apparently sees in binary, where there is only creationism vs. evolution. He discounts thousands of other creation myths and theories in one swift move, which is the supreme irony of evangelicalism.
TherapudicCaffeine 1 year ago 2
Fail for Huckabee.
amorphousguy 1 year ago
I totally agree with Mike on this one... Students should be exposed to ALL points of view.... Here's a point of view for ya Mike - you're a religious nut and your existence alone disproves creationism.
MrSinkbaek 1 year ago
Man, that guy is ugly.
questionauthoritah 1 year ago
All points of view? Awesome! How about the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Great Ju Ju under the sea?
Venaloid 1 year ago
i hate mike huckabee more than beck.
CHAOSin8bits 1 year ago
I expect to learn about creationism in religious studies. In biology, I want to learn biology.
stealbugsy 1 year ago 2
Should we also teach children the flat earth hypothesis or that Zuess throws lightning bolts from Mount Olympas? No!!!!!!!!
bradjbourgeois73 1 year ago
@bradjbourgeois73 That was Thor!lol
IndexFossil1 1 year ago
Creationism could have a place in schools, but it's not in the science class. If they have a theology curriculum, they can teach it there.
k6k6k6Darkie 1 year ago
I'm Atheist F.Y.I. If they do teach creationism alongside evolutionism they better put the other religions genesis theories.
Dynamisoflife 1 year ago
And that's how politicians say: I think evolution is bull-shit; we should teach kids creationism instead.
virgildog1950 1 year ago
I don't think most people understand what a hypothesis has to go through before it can become a theory. Theory is the end point of the scientific method, in order to get to that point a hypothesis undergoes ruthless testing and modification, followed by relentless peer review before it can be developed into a theory. Even then it only takes one variation from the predicted outcome of a theory to completely sink it. Evolution has weathered the storm for 150 years and still remains valid.
s5b678 1 year ago 2
Wow, I watched the clip, then I read the comments. People, I'm very disappointed in you, especially the Americans. America is about being open-minded, and having all points of view accepted by the community, not only as a whole, but even every individual. While it's true that there are several proven points about evolution, there are also several disproven points about it, which is why it's still a theory. And the sad thing, is this comment will mean nothing to you, and will likely be flagged.
MazorKuziaki 1 year ago
@MazorKuziaki Yes America is all about that but science is not. In the scientific community running around and just spouting off whatever idea you have as a theory with no supporting evidence is academic suicide. In science you must have observable verifiable physical evidence to support any claims you make, that is how science works. Allowing people to express their beliefs is a nice idea, but it is not scientific and therefore has no place in a science class. Creationism belongs in philosophy.
s5b678 1 year ago
@MazorKuziaki did you know you are wrong in your definition of a Scientific Theory? most people think a theory is something that is thought to occur, rather to be certain, but it actually is "An explanation of why and how a specific natural phenomenon occurs. A lot of hypotheses are based on theories. In turn, theories may be redefined as new hypotheses are tested"
Bobert665 9 months ago
@MazorKuziaki stupid character limit. also, I acknowledge that The Theory of Evolution has point against it, but just because it is not perfect does not mean people should turn instantly to a new theory/explanation (god and the bible) that, while perfect (and i use that term loosly), cannot be tested. I have not read all of your comments thus far (i am going to however), but i also want to point out that the Bible was written 100s of years after the supposed life of Christ
Bobert665 9 months ago
never seen a teen with a vocab like that before lol
Muhammadisatroll 1 year ago
Science deals with facts. History deals with events. Teach the age of ignorance in History class, there you can cover Creationism.
Sevenfold120 1 year ago
All points of view? Finally, the earth diver stories will receive the attention they deserve.
crabbieappleton 1 year ago
Aagh that's not a theory,
ajuk1 1 year ago
I haven't got a problem with teaching the creation myths of the various mainstream religions ... provided that they are all given equal credence and not taught in science class.
bustermk2 1 year ago
Huckabee, what a tit. Evolution has survived a monumental amount of scrutiny. That is why it is taught. Evolution is supported by a mountain of facts and evidence. Creation does not stand up to even rudimentary scrutiny.
mcgra8bc 1 year ago
Mike is a moron.
ID viz Creationism is NOT a fucking theory. It's a fairy tale promoted by similar morons to himself.
dirtydonki 1 year ago
I am a convinced creationist, but see no reason why creationism should be taught in public schools.
they dont want it, and it would be waste of time forcing it on anyone
If the church were doing its job they would not seek state mandated support. If the apostles did not have it (state support, tax breaks, etc) WE DONT NEED IT.
Besides, America is so warlike its claims to be a christian country are shown to be false
Strefanash 1 year ago
I want my point of view that Mike Huckabee is a fucking moron who shouldn't be taken seriously as a politician to be taught as well.
Serpent0fEden 1 year ago
sorry thats bullshit
believing is not knowing!!
Serpico261 1 year ago
Science is not a collection of "points of view", Huck. Students don't need to be exposed to all points of view on subjects. That's ridiculous. Do you realize how much time that would take up? There are Native stories of creation from all over the world that are varied and highly detailed. What you mean to say is that you believe students should be exposed to YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
AceSkepTik 1 year ago
Just think, Alchemy, Astrology creationism are coming back with HAckabee! Can't wait for the other points of view too, such as Hindu, Aztec, Greek mythology and ancient eygptian origins of life to name only a few of thousands. Woo hoo! No more math, science, literature or history classes........All of our youth will learn magic and witchcraft too! Oh, Wait....He didn't get elected did he!?!
pillowbugg 1 year ago
I agree with Huckabee. Creationism is important. My worry is that he would only have the jewish/christian form of creationism be taught.
I support the teaching of the flying spaghetti monster in schools.
RAmen
BornAgainPastafarian 2 years ago 10
i agree teach all theories...that is if creationism goes through all the scientific steps to become an actual theory, with experiments and peer-reviews supporting it
not too much to ask right? i mean if they'll make evolution a theory they'll make anything a theory
SATIRE
ProgramG 2 years ago 2
I believe it was caused by magic fairy dust. Should rthat be taught in school too?
Eaglesfaninca 2 years ago
AND THEY ARE !
darsal123 2 years ago
HAHAHA. Yeah okay.
There is no more evidence for creationism, than there is for magic fairy dust? that was my point.
Eaglesfaninca 2 years ago
This is the type of answer you get from fact denying Christians.
robertmike57 2 years ago
yes, i agree; we also need to teach the kids that the earth may be flat, the planets float in ether, and that you must marry your rape victims.
cbilljones 2 years ago
I want human sacrifice and time travel taught at my school.
prschuster 2 years ago
I 'm so scare that Huckabee wants all points of view! That is unfair! We can't tolarate any other point of view in the school sistem! I don't want my kids to be expose to other ideas, it should be forbiden by law! I love the idea that my granddady was an ape!" no wonder I like babanas! lol!
darsal123 2 years ago
Yeah, you see science is driven by EVIDENCE and id/creationism doesn't have any. It's not testable or observable in any way. It's not actually science. Teaching that the war of 1812 started in 1936 is about a smart and evidence based.
Here's some "other ideas"
Astrology 9/11 denialism Moon landing hoax Holocaust denialism Why not those "ideas" as well?
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
Are you an holocaust deniel on top of all?? do you know that evolution was one of the reasoning on justyfing the holocaust? have you ever read the original name of The Origin of the Especies?? Qoute: The Origin of Spieces by Means of natural SElection or the PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES IN THE STRUGLE FOR LIFE 1859!
darsal123 2 years ago
"do you know that evolution was one of the reasoning on justyfing the holocaust?"
No, because Hitler was a creationist who believed in inalterable created kinds. That's also why he was a racist.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."- Adolf hitler.
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
PRESERVATION OF FAVOURED RACES
Of animals and plants. Today we call them "species". Call me when your brain grows out of the embryonic stage!
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
Wow you are already r out of arguments, punching low, huh, It was espected from some one whos mind is close to the world arround him. The worst of the blind are who refuse to see and who will not allow others to see!
darsal123 2 years ago
"Wow you are already r out of arguments,"
Adolf Hitler- A creationist who claimed to be doing gods will
Races-19 century term for species
What an UTTER moron you must be to reuse these arguments !
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
Are you an holocaust deniel on top of all?
No, moron I was comparing creationism to holocaust denial. As in "let's teach two points of view" one with evidence and one without !
SolomonGrundy101 2 years ago
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collapseofthedollar 2 years ago
they should also be taught of the theories of reincarnation because people believe that, and they should be exposed to all points of view [whether factual or not]
flylike1 3 years ago
All points of view:
Did the hollocaust happen?
Is gravity real?
Some ideas are wrong. Simple.
FangFiftyFive 3 years ago 3
oh, and before someone says I'm being extreme, there are FOUR TIMES the number of historians that deny the hollocaust than there are scientists that deny evolution.
And gravity has more holes in its theory
Scientific theory is the highest proof you can get. If you don't like the terminology, get the fuck out
FangFiftyFive 3 years ago 3
Lol! I agree.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
that's just wonderful mr huckabee. what about letting all religions teach their ideas in public school?!?! think we have enough hours in a day for just religion? how about, i don't know, making it an elective in college? can we do that?
THEREIZNOGOD 3 years ago
that's just wonderful, mr huckabee. what about letting all religions
THEREIZNOGOD 3 years ago
oops, what a blunder!
THEREIZNOGOD 3 years ago
if the churches and "good" christian parents do their "jobs" why do we need the bible and creation in public schools???
THEREIZNOGOD 3 years ago
Stop preaching your religious propaganda. Creationism shouldn't be taught since it's as believable as cinderella.
plasmabird 3 years ago 72
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Jeremy, When the time comes that you won't be in control, you will have to yield to a higher power. Study Saul in the Bible. Learn how he became the apostle Paul, who wrote some of the most influential books of the Bible. I'm not interested in your "half the glass empty" angry criticisms. I will pray for you because it's in my heart do to so. I have been given the heart to love all of God's children. You may choose your path, just as I choose mine. Blessings
HsServant 3 years ago
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Jeremy, Because I believe there is hope for everyone, even you. I've have seen a murderer become a prominent and productive part of society. I have seen people delivered from prostitution, alcoholism, drug addictions, suicidal tendencies...All by allowing God to work in their lives. Why do I pray for you? Because you don't know what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is, so how can you commit it? You have an obsessive need to be in control. There will be a time in your life when you won't be
HsServant 3 years ago
It's amazing how people can fill emotional holes in their heart with sugar-coated fables.
JWonn 3 years ago 42
@JWonn you've hit the nail right on the head there
sickochallis11 8 months ago
Pth, Think of it like this: You have a 100 piece puzzle. You put the entire puzzle together except for one piece. You've lost the last piece. You take a piece from another puzzle and try to make it fit. This extra piece of puzzle was not designed to go into the puzzle you have almost completed. No matter how hard you try the piece does not fit. Men and women fit.
HsServant 3 years ago
But alot of men and woman have same sex partners that are with each other and love each other to death, this fits in my opinion.
PtH888999 3 years ago
Pth, Love is beautiful! We are called to love each other. A man is to love a man, as a woman is to love a woman, just not romantically. I have seen both sides of this fence. I am loving you as my brother. This is why I am conversing with you. We are a carnal society: what feels good, what looks good, what tastes good - we believe is good. Not always. I am praying that God will help you see truth and that He will bring someone into your life that helps you find your way. Blessings!
HsServant 3 years ago
o ya btw, what about female homosexuals?
Interesting how many of them have aids right?
PtH888999 3 years ago
Pth, According to the CDC over 60% of HIV transmissions are men to men. Homosexuals acquire syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.... When we step outside of God's design there is consequence. Our sins make our lives less fruitful and more difficult.
HsServant 3 years ago
Please cite your source for your HIV and STD statistics.
If HIV and other STDS are your silly god's punishment for being gay, why do heterosexuals also get those diseases?
If I were gay, I'd want to punch you in the face for making such a remark. You make me want to take a shower.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, CDC and the internet are my sources. Yes, heterosexuals are also affected by sexually transmitted diseases. I never said they weren't. They are more prevalent in the gay community. I suggest you do your homework as to why. I also did not say that it was God's punishment. Man punishes himself. Sexually transmitted diseases would not exist if it were not for promiscuity. Anger comes when one does not want to accept truth. Understand, that I am not hateful towards anyone.
HsServant 3 years ago
Since homosexuals AND heterosexuals get STDs, why would it matter who contracts STDs more? Is it because you want to bash gays?
What does the CDC stand for? Where is your citation?
The INTERNET is your source? Sigh, there are good and bad sources on the internet.
"[STDs] would not exist if it were not for promiscuity." Where is your science to back up that ignorant statement? The truth is that STDs don't care who they infect. Your god has nothing to do with it.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, In 1746 the first case of a STD was treated. The STD was syphilis. Syphilis is contracted through human and animal sexual contact. Promiscuity has allowed this disease along with other STD's to spread. If man and woman were to have one partner, in accordance with God's laws (no animals, no multiple partners, no homosexuality, no sexual immorality) these diseases would not be spread. Pth specifically asked me how homosexuality is destructive. I simply answered his question in truth.
HsServant 3 years ago
STDs have been around much longer than that. If you're claiming that 1746 was the 1st time anyone ever contracted an STD, that's absurd.
STDs can be contracted in many ways, not just through sexual contact.
Sex is not immoral. Hell, it's not even a moral issue. Don't you Xians have more important things to worry about.
If your god doesn't want people to have sex, why would She make sex one of the most powerful human urges?
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, "A bundle of myrrh is my beloved to me. That lies all night between my breasts." "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth." These are scriptures in the Bible. I never said sex was immoral. God designed sex to be an exhilarating act of love that brings a man and a woman together to become one. Where their breath is no longer their own, but belongs to each other. When it is conceived from matrimonial love, not lust, it can be everlasting, never to be dulled. How great is our God!
HsServant 3 years ago
"God designed sex..." You haven't presented evidence to support your claim. You haven't even proven that your god is real.
Humans don't need permission from your deity to engage in a human act that is as natural as eating or sleeping.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, You are smart enough to know that religion is faith. Again, it is manifested to those that believe. What do you choose?
HsServant 3 years ago
Yes, religion is based on faith, which is belief without evidence...for no good reason. With faith, you can believe ANYTHING you want. That means that your faith-claims are no less ridiculous than any other. You're no better than the Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, Scientologists, etc. I hope that you one day realize this simple point and don't entirely waste your life.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, I am not better than anyone. I have personally experienced what God can do. I have gone from hate to love, proverty to prosperity, immorality to morality, found my true purpose...I have experience miracles in my life. If all this good is ridiculous to you, so be it. I choose God. It is arrogant to think that there is not something bigger and greater than ourselves. Creation of all things is miraculously intricate. Again, who do you choose?
HsServant 3 years ago
People "experience" what their gods can do all the time. People report all sorts of experiences about various gods, like Allah, Yahweh, Thor, Zeus, etc. Your "experience" is evidence of nothing outside your mind.
What "miracles" have you experienced, pray tell?
"Things" are not "created." Sigh.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, I was a at dead stop with multiple cars directly in front of me. A truck hit me from behind at 60mph. When it was all done and over I was sitting about 300ft. in a gravel drive way of a church parking lot(not a another church for miles) without touching any of the vehicles in front of me. The truck that hit me was completely totalled. I didn't have a scratch or a bruise on me. Witnesses could not believe that I walked away without being injured. I call that a miracle.
HsServant 3 years ago
I'd call that good luck. That's not evidence that Zeus exists or Yahweh or any god.
What about good, god-fearing people who get into accidents and die? Does that prove that your god does NOT exist?
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Of course you call that luck. Unfortunely, people die. It's part of life. I don't know why people die when they do. Sometimes it's just their time. Possibly, they have completed their journey. Other times it's the act of the enemy. Good versus evil. I suppose you don't believe in that either.
HsServant 3 years ago
"Unfortunely, people die. It's part of life." EXACTLY! You might have been 1 of 10 who survived HORRIFIC accidents and you claim that God saved you. If those other 9 people could be resurrected for 5 minutes, what might they say about your god?
Let's rephrase your earler statement: "Fortunately, people get lucky. It's part of life."
There's no sky nanny who intervenes in human affairs. For you to claim that you're special...that god saved YOU and let the others die, that's just arrogant.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, I grew up in Hollywood, CA. I have had many friends that are homosexual and have loved them as everyone else. God's second greatest commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself" Have you lied, stolen something, lust after someone? That makes you a liar, a thief and an adulterer. We are all guilty of sin. Jesus came so we could be forgiven for our sins. No one is better than anyone else. I believe through God we can be better people making this world a better place to live in.
HsServant 3 years ago
Jesus is make believe. There is no solid evidence that he existed. If he did, he certainly wasn't divine. He was an epic conman.
"Sin" is a silly, meaningless, religious word. There is no sky nanny to "sin" against.
I'm glad that the majority of Xians today are smart enough to NOT follow the advice of their "good book." If any Xian today attempted to literally follow the bible, they'd wind up in prison.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Anything that invites consequence is "sin". I used to think like you. Here's a challenge - try God out. Just ask Jesus to come into your life. Let go of your preconceived ideas, allow the power of God's Holy Spirit to come into your life, pray, study the teachings of Jesus, pray about finding a church that meets your spiritual needs. See what the other side of the fence looks like. Within 6 months (maybe sooner), your life will be more prosperous, loving, fulfilling, enlightening..
HsServant 3 years ago
"Sin" is not real. Religionists made up the word "sin" as a strawman argument.
Why don't you ask Allah, Zeus, Thor, Apollo or the Great Spirit into your life? Let go of all your preconceived ideas.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
wrong, this comes from unpretected sex.
If a man has protected sex with another man will he get aids? highly unlikely.
So your problem is with unprotected sex, not homosexuality.
so once again, NOTHING BAD comes from homosexuality, try again.
PtH888999 3 years ago
pth, Again, Man and woman were made anatomically correct. Huge clue as to God's divine plan. Whether a condom is used or not, is not the issue. A man and a man coming together or a woman and woman coming together is not and will never be God's plan. If you believe the Word of God (which I do), there are numerous references to man and wife (not man and man or woman and woman). You and I obviously have different views on this subject.
HsServant 3 years ago
You're main point was that gay people spread std's, im telling you that this isn't an anatomical reason, it's because they're having unprotected sex. Now you're backpedaling and saying "WELL THE BIBLE SAYS IT'S WRONG" which holds no water with me.
PtH888999 3 years ago
Pth, Leviticus 18:22; "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman." It is an abomination". The consequence may not be immediately manifested, but it comes eventually. Hetrosexuals that have multiple partners, adultry, priests that sexually assault children, homosexuality... all come with consequence. Protection (not full-proof) may keep you from getting an STD, but it will not save your soul or allow you to fulfill God's purpose for your life.
HsServant 3 years ago
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
This verse says that homosexuals should be executed. The bible is an ancient collection of desert prejudices. No rational, educated person follows the bible today.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Yes, no salvation. It is our choice. What do you choose?
HsServant 3 years ago
It's disgusting that you won't even speak out against the hate-mongering in your filthy faith-book. Your make believe god says that homosexuals, stubborn children, non-virgin newly-weds and sabbath-workers should be put to death...and you support these acts.
I choose not to murder people.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Why do you think God sent Jesus? He came to add to, but not take away. Rather than destroying us, God knew that He needed to send us a savior, to show us the way and to render us forgiveness. We will all be judged if not sooner, latter. There is a consequence for wrongdoing (sin) no matter what. Stop blaming our destructive behavior on God. God is our judge not you not me. Who do you choose?
HsServant 3 years ago
"Why do you think God sent Jesus?" Your god didn't send Jesus, because your god isn't real. Furthermore, there is no solid evidence that Jesus existed.
"God knew that He needed to send us a savior." You're saying that your god needed to send HIMSELF to save us from HIMSELF and He also needed to sacrifice HIMSELF to appease HIMSELF. What rational person believes this nonsense?
Why would I blame your god for anything? Your god isn't real.
You're god isn't a judge. He's make believe.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Only one sin is unforgiveable. Do you know what it is? God knows our heart. He knows if we are stubbornly defiant. He knows our struggles. He knows if we are trying to be the best we can be. He is walking alongside trying to show us the way - if we'd only pay attention. A lot of your belief in who God is is warped. I'm guessing you have been taught wrong. That fear was the motivator. Unfortunate! People are murdered, by not knowing who God really is. Blessings!
HsServant 3 years ago
Why would your loving, forgiving god declare an "unforgivable sin (blaspheming the "holy spirit")? Hmmm? Make up your mind, your god is forgiving or He's not.
"He is walking alongside trying to show us the way" God has legs? Have you seen him walk?
What I "believe your god is" is based on the bible. I can read.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, I'm not sure why blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable. Do you? I never said I have all the answers. That would make me God. Wouldn't it? He forgives all sins "but one". Is your glass half empty or half full? Funny. "Walk alongside", metaphorically speaking (you knew that). It's good you can read. Reading and experiencing are two different concepts. Try experiencing.
HsServant 3 years ago
The fact that there is an unforgivable sin in the bible shows that Yahweh is unforgiving. So why do Christians always say that He is forgiving? That's a contradiction.
I HEREBY DENY THE POWER AND EXISTENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. YAHWEH IS MAKE BELIEVE.
Now, I'm damned to hell and there can be no forgiveness for me, according to your stupid religion. Mass murderers have a greater chance of entering heaven than I.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Jeremy, Then you have made your choice. I've enjoyed conversing with you. My heart goes out to you. I will, regardless of your belief pray for you. Love and peace.
HsServant 3 years ago
Why would you pray for me? I've committed the Unforgivable Sin. There's no hope for me now.
Somewhere in that brainwashed head of yours you know that this whole thing is absurd. There's no cosmic thug who heard me deny the holy ghost and now refuses to forgive me. There's no petty, ruthless tyrant who sends people to a lake of fire.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
lol, at teaching evolution in church.
JWonn 3 years ago
Lol at teaching creationism in science class.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
Mike: "i believe we should expose students to all points of view..."
Does that include alchemy, astrology, and phrenology?????
Can anyone here give a single example of an idea that is taught in science class without the consensual agreement of the scientific community?
Suppose a group of people believed that objects fall down because invisible pixies pulled everything down, should that belief be taught along with gravity in the science classroom?
JWonn 3 years ago
According to Mike, yes. But science isn't democratic, so luckily, none of that will be happening... hopefully...
ShatboxProductions 3 years ago
No joke man, this is some scary shit. Hopefully McCain won't pick this idiot as his running mate.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago
gah he used to be fat
Huckabee 2012!
xdmoneyx22 4 years ago
Interesting dialogue, I think I'll sit this one out b/c you folks seem to have it covered.
Genius523 4 years ago
What is Christianity and the Bible? Outside of being a religious faith it is History! The school system teaches the theory of evolution. Unless there is some sort of "fear factor" it is only right that the "History" (including the teachings of Jesus) of Christianity and the Bible be taught in school. Teachers are an authoritative figure in childrens lives. Because children are taught only about the theory of evolution they tend to sway in that direction, believing that is the only option.
HsServant 4 years ago
Too true, too true. But don't worry. Despite the brainwashing effects of evolution, the powerful truth of Scripture can quickly UNbrainwash students very easily, because the teaching of creation just simply makes sense. Where as the teaching of evolution really doesn't make sense.
NathanH83 4 years ago
Yes,