really enjoyed ds9 but with the arrival of the dominion in the alpha quadrant should the borg have not entered the war and invaded cardassia to assimilate the dominion and also the breen. would have made a great part of the war
Think of this battle. Now combine the rebel fleet from Star Wars, the entire armada of all 5 races from Stargate (Furlings, Humans, Asgards, ?), Human ships from BSG, and Time Lords, and you have the most EPIC space battle in the history of the universe!!
@wlanus hi also when u mention cloak i realize the script writers did not even make the bird of preys in the klingon bird of prey used their cloak ability to hit the dominion battle cruisers from behind somehow damm they have cloak and lock torpedos on those dominion big ships main reactor to knock out their power to shields at least
@wlanus hi i think maybe the crew forgotten about it after various trials in the gamma quadrant their cloak seems to be detected easily somehow and during their evacuation from ds9 the cloak is still fully functional and they cloak at the same time with General martok bird of prey and so i think they were too busy thinking of getting past the enemy fleet before the left the starbase they probably forget to test the stealth Generator on the defiant
The Federation fleet was not strong enough to fight DS9 and the Dominion fleet at the same time. DS9 was a fortress. It destroyed 1/3 of the Dominion fleet in "Call to Arms" and inflicted significant losses on the Klingons in "Way of the Warrior".
It was a hopeless battle from the start and everyone knew it but they didn't have a choice. It took divine intervention to save them.
@tmlfan316 hi even then why only the federation send only one defiant class starships they shoud have send more defiant class starships like how they did on the romulans hijacking the prometheous in voayger and one reason is why did not the galaxy class fire a spread of torpedos on the emeny dominion battle cruisers like the nearest one they past by lollol
They couldn't just warp past the fleet for these reasons:
1) Their goal was to destroy DS9's anti-graviton beam. They could have accomplished this without engaging the Dominion fleet but not without fighting the station which would have cost them 100s of ships and delayed them long enough for the Dominion fleet to follow them back to Bajor
2) Once the anti-graviton beam was destroyed, they would have HAD to retake the station otherwise the Dominion could have simply repaired it and proceeded.
@ancalites hi why can't they used the deflector array on those dominion battle criusers and put federation warp signatures on those dominion battle criusers and see what the jemmhaddar fighters will do maybe they might ram their own ships like what the cheif o brian did on the chintoka system it would be interesting
@fjccommish Better question: why didn't the Defiant just cloak at the beginning and head to DS9 directly? No reason to really fight it out with the rest of the fleet keeping the Dominion occupied. For that matter, they could have had the Klingons rendevous with them at DS9 since their ships can also cloak.
Then again, we would have missed a great battle. :)
I wish I could remember why I inherently know that the phaser arrays on Galaxy-class ships can be overpowered by a few hundred percent in a pinch (Maybe the old tech manual). Because that certainly looks like what they're doing, phaser strikes so strong they knock like-sized ships off course. I never get tired of it.
@miras202 ya perhaps if they have admiral ackbar on board it will be better and used mon calamari cruisers turbo lasers onthe dominion battle cruisers it will be cool they also have multipe smaller shield generators throughout the ship
I count about a dozen Galaxy class starships here, if you watch the build-up to the two Galaxies savaging the Galor. Anyone else have any sort of semi-accurate count? An awesome thing to see assembled in a fleet, no doubt.
@NeoNightmare at Least they have close to 1000 ships to take on the dominion the problem is too many fighters of the dominion the federation have no idea to how deal with espicially those jem haddar fighters they dun even know they were using sucidal tactics to deal massive damage to bigger ships
@FF4442 hi is it true the galaxy class can fire muiltple torpedos at 1 go but i think mon calmari cruisers are much more stronger when comes to shields
Some ships served 20-30 years after their replacement technology was commissioned. The use of older ships wasn't just to bolster the fleet, some of them would have still been in active service.
i must also say, they must've built Galaxy's like crazy when the war began! When Voyage came home, there was SEVEN in the fleet. Apparantly there was only supposed to be six!
@BMWM3GTRLOVER no. First, Technical Manuals are not canon. Second, Galaxy class was supposed to replace Excelsior class, I think, and there were craploads of Excelsiors in fleet.
@Mini007ish but by 24th centiry they were outdated. It's like saying that USN should use F-4 Phantom instead of F-14 beacouse it hass better sounding name
@SpartanPrimus No, this fleet was only a portion of Starfleet. Also, after the Defiant got to DS9 more and more ships broke through and began racing there as well. Nog's line meant no one that was following them through the hole made it out (Probably because that monstrous Jem'Hadar ship exploded).
@UltimateSpinDash yes, for the final battle squence in What You Leave Behind they reused footage from this battle, the two battles of chintoka and some old footage from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
@majorhewitt star trek had a habit of using, re-using and continually re-using battle scenes. For all the money it raked in, they were nothing but cheap bastards.
@ScireSpire I think Ezri was hotter than Jadzia. Yes Jadzia was sexy and seductive, but Ezri had a quite librarian type of persona. I bet that Ezri was twice as good in bed as Jadzia....don't believe me, ask Worf...he's probabaly the only character who would ever know.....
Remember, the Excelsior class ships were designed to have a shelf life of around 80-100 years, so naturally would be upgraded & refitted over their working life, just like real-life Navy ships and air force planes. If you remember, theere was an ep of TNG (can't remember which one) where the Enterprise-D came in for upgrades.
Every time I see the start of the main battle, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up on end. I'd love to see a mutli-ship ding-dong slugfest using modern CG on a par or better than they used for the First Contact Borg battle.
The exploration episodes are good but by fuck you can't beat a full on battle episode! Just don't get the fact that how is it after all the losses in battles up to that point including wolf359 vs borg where 39 older ships were lost and lots more thereafter against Klingon, Cardassion and dominion, and after statements that Starfleet have the fleet back up to strength post borg, are we again looking at mostly antic "Cpt Kirk" era starship? Warships vs old exploration ships? would be a slaughter
@PangeaSpreads it was easier in this case to simply upgrade the ships to be on par with the ships of the ds9/tng era than it was to simply start from scratch. star fleet needed ships and instead of waiting and building from scratch each time they simply upgraded some ships. There was actually something I read saying star fleet had the parts to build 6 galaxy class ships if they needed to still on standby just incase. why build 15 new ships when you can upgrade 35 or more and be just as good.
@animationcaptain Fair point, it still seems to me though that even with the most advanced upgrades that the gulf in class between these really old ships compared to a galaxy or nebula class would still be huge and like trying to turn a Sherman tank to an Abrams, it just aint gonna happen. Don't know much about all the plots and storys but always liked to watch next generation, ds9 and movies and having watch those I saw that Miranda class and excelsior class were Kirk era? 100 year old ships!!?
@PangeaSpreads if you saw the episode where the lakota can be seen it was an upgraded excelsior that was easily as strong as the ships of the tng era. they're by no means the strongest ships like a galaxy or the defiant but are just as dangerous none the less. They're still just as capable. In fact the lakota was armed with quantom torpedoes and pretty much was a low grade sovereign class. Keep in mind that for the most part they're new ships that just look like the old ones so to speak.
@animationcaptain Makes sense, and your right, an excelsior does look a lot like a sovereign. Love the Galaxy class, stunning, pity about their slow phaser wind up shots, seems a real flaw for a weapon that does not just cut straight through another ship after such a big build up. Ds9 episodes really hit the spot with well thought out battle scenes kicking off with the Klingons trying to take the newly tricked out Ds9, I was like Holy SHIT, that crappy old space stations fucking awesome! Yaaaa!!
@PangeaSpreads I know when ds9 opened up I was like holy heck. If the galaxy class put all that power into a single shot it could punch through but beyond that you are correct it won't punch through. The ds9 space battles were awesome. I don't like that they reused some footage but still it was good regardless. Starfleet wouldn't have put those ships out there if they didn't beef them up quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a constitution in there somewhere we didn't see.
@animationcaptain Constitutions lol.. no doubt, Starfleet, heavily depleted of ships probably dusted off as many scrapped yet space worthy ships as possible run by a skeleton crew. Based on real war tactics, even out dated things have there place. In relation to a star trek battle, old constitutions and the likes would be easy pickings to the enemy but they would have their uses if tailing an advancing fleet during battle by finishing off crippled or heavily damaged enemy ships before recovering
I can't believe the spoon heads would turn against the Federation/Alpha Quadrant. But i think they redeemed themselves by turning on the Dominion in the finale of DS9.
@EveryTrip2 Yeah but look at the cost they paid for joining the Dominion and later turning on them. Billions of Cardassians dead, their homeworld and who knows how many other worlds ruined, their territory carved up and split between the three main Alpha Quadrant powers. Any redemption was meaningless.
Holy shit. That was one hell of a battle. I don't think any of the other TV shows ever offered such a battle, and I keep finding different awesome examples from Deep Space Nine... oh, plus there's half a million other reasons to like it.
There's an old saying "Fortune favors THE SISKO!" Did the Cardies reallly think they were just gonna jack his space station and there'd be no consequences??
I wish they would have shown more Akira's, Nebula's and more Defiants. Seems odd most of the fleet was comprised of TOS era ships (IE. Miranda, Excelsior). The Miranda's were always one torpedo away from exploding.
@Audioholics i read something about the fleets on the frontiers of the federation were mostly comprised of the older era of ships all of those new ships like the akira and steamrunner were part of the inner fleets protecting the core of the federation
I'm disapointed that the only time I saw a Neblua class ship in combat this entire war, she gets distroyed. I like that class of ship. In SFC3 I have a nebula class ship called Surprise. That way, surprise would always be on my side!
He was trying to goad the Cardassians into going after the attack fighters, thus weakening the lines so that the starships could try to punch through. They were essentially cannon fodder.
Your thinking of those weapons on VOyager. Those were actually less powerful then a Quantum Torpedo. The only thing that made the effective was there blast radius. Notic Tri-cobalt Torpedos were only used once in the entire voyager series, against Species 8472, and that was to only spread modified nano probes.
Mainly against Defiant, Galaxy and Nebula class ships. A Galor class ship would have no problem dealing with Miranda or Excelsior ships. It would take about 3 Galor's to tactically match a Galaxy class.
They could take a Miranda. But they couldn't take down an Excelsior. The standard Excelsior (from Search for Spock) out-guns a Galor by .07%, not by much but considering that that doesn't factor any upgrades that the excelsior would have received between then and the Dominion War I think it would be slightly more than that. And of course I wouldn't consider a Miranda to be a properly armed federation ship.
6:11 to 6:20, Can we say 'oh shit?' Those Galaxy class starships probably paid the price for it, but I bet they made a hell of a side wall for the wedge of federation ships going into the jaws of hell itself.
The main reason we never saw any big fleet battles prior to FC and the Dominion War is because they used physical models back then and they were huge, required at least a half dozen guys just to set them up and were expensive. Then they finally switched to CGI during one of DS9's seasons (three, I think) and whamo, awesome space battles.
I think the Dominion War is a price for Federation to pay after a relative years of peace. They needed to learn that negotiation isn't always the keys to peace. Its a culture shock for the Starfleet as well. The way of war it is.
Actually the Federation has had loads of wars and conflicts. They were at full scale war with the Cardassians right before (and possibly during some of) the TNG era. They also went to war with the Klingons during DS9's 5th season, and there were plenty of references to sending ambassadors and diplomats to secure peace treaties with weird unheard-of species that the Feds had been in "conflict" with throughout both TNG and DS9's series. And that's saying nothing of the ongoing Borg war.
That was never the focus of the Federation, which Roddenberry made clear - Starfleet was neither military nor scientific, it was a unique entity. The Federation was never intended to be a "tough military" organisation, yet despite that they've still weathered loads of conflicts. The Dominion were particularly powerful, had more advanced ships (and greater numbers) than Starfleet, and had already joined forces with the Cardassians, and they attacked when the Feds were weakened by a Borg attack.
I'm not talking about Way of the Warrior. There was full scale war between the Feds and Klingon Empire between 2372 and 2373. Season 5 saw the beginning of the war, and it was brought to an end when Martok was revealed to be a changeling.
@thewewguy8t88 yeah it was nowhere near as brutal, nor did it last very long, but Starfleet still lost ships. We know the Farragut was destroyed in one episode, and that was a large powerful starship (Nebula class I believe?)
@theclarkhome yeah i know but like honestly it felt like the klingons were just as bad granted they were more dangerous but they were well just as bad and treated the same way. it was not an offical war.
It was official. The incident in WotW was a "skirmish", but the actual Klingon war that started at the end of Season 4 is recognised as an official war.
To quote Sisko in a later, mid season-5 episode:
"Between the Klingon war and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet's spread pretty thin."
Referring to the *war* with the Klingons, which by that point had already reached a cease fire.
Non-sense... every single alien race but the vulcans have been at war with the federation... they are a galactic neutering force... even the borg seemed boring after Janeway came back.
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Fuck, the station was more trouble than it was worth. Who gives a shit about the wormhole and collapse the fucker o that you save YOUR side of the galaxy!
DS9 was nothing but a shit in the long line of star trek constipation.
The Federation wanted to control the wormhole so they could explore the galaxy. That could be seen as typical colonialist claptrap...maybe the founders' fears were justified.
i couldn't agree with you more. if 9 had focused on the Dominion War and had the cast of TNG and DS9 together it could have been something amazing, added with the latest CGI it would have drawn big money
The Enterprise E would have rewled in the Dominion War, with it's massive amounts of firepower.
The Sovereign class (Enterprise-E) and the Defiant seem to be the only "battleships" of sorts the Federation has. I don't know why they didn't come up with something powerful a long time before.
@Hellow54321 Keep in mind, that the Socerign class star ship was still a ship ment for exploration. According to a star trek novel, written by William Shattner, Shinzons ship the Scimatar was designed for the dominion war to fight those massive ships the domminion have. The Entirprise was nearly destroyed by the Scimatar. Of course the Enterprise could have destroyed Jem Hadar ships of a smaller class, but a full blown Jem Hadar war ship? I dont think so.
@Hellow54321 Not true. The Dominions massive ships, witch there names elude me at the moment, actually had weapons comperable to the Scimatar. The Soverign class, while armed, was not a true war ship, but a ship designed for Exploration. As was almost all the fleet, save the Defiant class.
Before, they were explorers, not warriors. But with the threats of the dominion and the borg, the federation realized they need to have teh ability to defend themselves.
@Hellow54321 rodenberry saw the federation primarily as an exploration and research coalition, not a military arm. the lack of offensive design in previous starfleet vessels reflect this
@Hellow54321 because they didn't have time plus before the defiant and enterprise E the galaxy class was the most powerful ship the federation could muster. more exploration vessels than warships which is a massive problem at times
@pinoi78 Well, think about it: the Dominion was a DS9-exclusive storyline.....can you imagine how out of place the TNG crew would look fighting in a war?
@pinoi78 I agree, Insurrection and Nemesis were terrible and the Enterprise series was crap to say the least. I would like Star Trek 12 to be about Trelane (recasted) and Q, more or less based on the novel Q squared by Peter David who is a brilliant author. Nemesis was like a re - hash of The wrath of khan, and Insurrection, well the less said about it the better.
Love DS9.
Khemistry101 2 weeks ago
I used to be a Star Fleet Captain, but then I took a phaser shoot to the knee
ace131315 1 month ago
really enjoyed ds9 but with the arrival of the dominion in the alpha quadrant should the borg have not entered the war and invaded cardassia to assimilate the dominion and also the breen. would have made a great part of the war
dukeofstradone 1 month ago
@icewatercube And hello bigger Borg fleet.
mabiniss2 2 months ago
Think of this battle. Now combine the rebel fleet from Star Wars, the entire armada of all 5 races from Stargate (Furlings, Humans, Asgards, ?), Human ships from BSG, and Time Lords, and you have the most EPIC space battle in the history of the universe!!
mabiniss2 2 months ago
i wonder will the dominion encounter the borg at some point
claian12 2 months ago
@wlanus hi also when u mention cloak i realize the script writers did not even make the bird of preys in the klingon bird of prey used their cloak ability to hit the dominion battle cruisers from behind somehow damm they have cloak and lock torpedos on those dominion big ships main reactor to knock out their power to shields at least
Badboy21thekiller 2 months ago
@wlanus hi i think maybe the crew forgotten about it after various trials in the gamma quadrant their cloak seems to be detected easily somehow and during their evacuation from ds9 the cloak is still fully functional and they cloak at the same time with General martok bird of prey and so i think they were too busy thinking of getting past the enemy fleet before the left the starbase they probably forget to test the stealth Generator on the defiant
Badboy21thekiller 2 months ago
Fortune favors the bold. And it always will. The Celts were smart barbarians.
LordHannigan 2 months ago
Looks like they're going to use "Combadge-class" starships.
TheRealityJack 3 months ago
Love me some Defiant....
SJYNYC 3 months ago
"there's an old saying, fortune favours the bald. and you wont find a smoother god damn malteser...."
MrYamibakura666 3 months ago 4
The Federation fleet was not strong enough to fight DS9 and the Dominion fleet at the same time. DS9 was a fortress. It destroyed 1/3 of the Dominion fleet in "Call to Arms" and inflicted significant losses on the Klingons in "Way of the Warrior".
It was a hopeless battle from the start and everyone knew it but they didn't have a choice. It took divine intervention to save them.
tmlfan316 4 months ago
@tmlfan316 hi even then why only the federation send only one defiant class starships they shoud have send more defiant class starships like how they did on the romulans hijacking the prometheous in voayger and one reason is why did not the galaxy class fire a spread of torpedos on the emeny dominion battle cruisers like the nearest one they past by lollol
Badboy21thekiller 2 months ago
They couldn't just warp past the fleet for these reasons:
1) Their goal was to destroy DS9's anti-graviton beam. They could have accomplished this without engaging the Dominion fleet but not without fighting the station which would have cost them 100s of ships and delayed them long enough for the Dominion fleet to follow them back to Bajor
2) Once the anti-graviton beam was destroyed, they would have HAD to retake the station otherwise the Dominion could have simply repaired it and proceeded.
tmlfan316 4 months ago
In this battle the Federation lost 6 Sabre class, 5 Akira class, 4 Excelsior class, 7 Peregrine class, and approximately 5000 Mirandas.
ancalites 4 months ago 28
@ancalites
And no Galaxy-class. :D
Jerkwad152 4 months ago
@ancalites hi why can't they used the deflector array on those dominion battle criusers and put federation warp signatures on those dominion battle criusers and see what the jemmhaddar fighters will do maybe they might ram their own ships like what the cheif o brian did on the chintoka system it would be interesting
Badboy21thekiller 2 months ago
@ancalites without a doubt..miranda class=red shirt of fleet
666MIHI 1 month ago 2
To be continued....now.
CynicalVision 5 months ago
1254 ships?
Bad odds.
For the enemy!
Frazzledotd 5 months ago
Why not come from the top, or bottom, why go through that limited line of ships?
fjccommish 5 months ago
@fjccommish Better question: why didn't the Defiant just cloak at the beginning and head to DS9 directly? No reason to really fight it out with the rest of the fleet keeping the Dominion occupied. For that matter, they could have had the Klingons rendevous with them at DS9 since their ships can also cloak.
Then again, we would have missed a great battle. :)
Diomedes01 5 months ago
Way cool. This is good science fiction.
FilmSlides 5 months ago
@Picard578 Galaxy Class replaced Ambassador Class as deep-space exploration vessel, Excelsior ran concurrent to both.
mattKAOS25 5 months ago
I wish I could remember why I inherently know that the phaser arrays on Galaxy-class ships can be overpowered by a few hundred percent in a pinch (Maybe the old tech manual). Because that certainly looks like what they're doing, phaser strikes so strong they knock like-sized ships off course. I never get tired of it.
AeronPeryton 6 months ago
it's a Trap - Admiral Ackbar :)
miras202 6 months ago
@miras202 ya perhaps if they have admiral ackbar on board it will be better and used mon calamari cruisers turbo lasers onthe dominion battle cruisers it will be cool they also have multipe smaller shield generators throughout the ship
Badboy21thekiller 2 months ago
I count about a dozen Galaxy class starships here, if you watch the build-up to the two Galaxies savaging the Galor. Anyone else have any sort of semi-accurate count? An awesome thing to see assembled in a fleet, no doubt.
FF4442 6 months ago
@FF4442 supposedly if memory serves me right there where ~780 federation warships & a handful of Klingon warships Vs ~1254 Dominion warships
NeoNightmare 6 months ago
@NeoNightmare at Least they have close to 1000 ships to take on the dominion the problem is too many fighters of the dominion the federation have no idea to how deal with espicially those jem haddar fighters they dun even know they were using sucidal tactics to deal massive damage to bigger ships
Badboy21thekiller 5 months ago
@FF4442 hi is it true the galaxy class can fire muiltple torpedos at 1 go but i think mon calmari cruisers are much more stronger when comes to shields
Badboy21thekiller 5 months ago
@icewatercube I wonder if you could assimulate a Founder?
Darkjedi030 6 months ago
Some ships served 20-30 years after their replacement technology was commissioned. The use of older ships wasn't just to bolster the fleet, some of them would have still been in active service.
hamstersized 6 months ago
i must also say, they must've built Galaxy's like crazy when the war began! When Voyage came home, there was SEVEN in the fleet. Apparantly there was only supposed to be six!
BMWM3GTRLOVER 7 months ago
@BMWM3GTRLOVER no. First, Technical Manuals are not canon. Second, Galaxy class was supposed to replace Excelsior class, I think, and there were craploads of Excelsiors in fleet.
Picard578 7 months ago
@Picard578 oh i didn't get it from ant tech manuals. memory alpha
BMWM3GTRLOVER 7 months ago
@BMWM3GTRLOVER Memory Alpha also gets some info from Technical Manuals. That particular bit of info is only mentioned in TM.
Picard578 7 months ago
@Picard578 i love excelsiors i would of made the whole fleet out of them including Sisko's ship
Mini007ish 4 months ago
@Mini007ish but by 24th centiry they were outdated. It's like saying that USN should use F-4 Phantom instead of F-14 beacouse it hass better sounding name
Picard578 4 months ago
my least favorite DS9 battle was Defiants last :( it sucked nuts seeing her die that way D':>
BMWM3GTRLOVER 7 months ago
@BMWM3GTRLOVER war sucks.
Picard578 7 months ago
wait,wait,wait, so the ENTIRE federation fleet was destroyed?
SpartanPrimus 8 months ago
@SpartanPrimus No, this fleet was only a portion of Starfleet. Also, after the Defiant got to DS9 more and more ships broke through and began racing there as well. Nog's line meant no one that was following them through the hole made it out (Probably because that monstrous Jem'Hadar ship exploded).
AeronPeryton 6 months ago
BORG VS DOMINION
who will win
PlantOParadise 8 months ago
7:20
Have the used this part of the Fight scene in the final battle again?
UltimateSpinDash 9 months ago
@UltimateSpinDash yes, for the final battle squence in What You Leave Behind they reused footage from this battle, the two battles of chintoka and some old footage from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
majorhewitt 8 months ago
@majorhewitt star trek had a habit of using, re-using and continually re-using battle scenes. For all the money it raked in, they were nothing but cheap bastards.
Gallowell 8 months ago
If no other ships made it, how did Worf survive?
22cevans 9 months ago
@22cevans By "made it" they didn't mean survived, they just meant the ones that didn't get through the barrier of dominion ships.
mabiniss2 2 months ago
@mabiniss2 Oh. Thanks for explaining.
22cevans 2 months ago
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8:04 Garak Needs a change of pants.
ObtainedVictory 9 months ago
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ObtainedVictory 9 months ago
Oh My God. I can bang Jadzia over and over again :)
ScireSpire 10 months ago 38
@ScireSpire You could/would bang a neutron star it if had breasts. ;)
mkarnerfors 8 months ago
@mkarnerfors It would completely decompse the fuck outta me.
ScireSpire 8 months ago
@ScireSpire I think Ezri was hotter than Jadzia. Yes Jadzia was sexy and seductive, but Ezri had a quite librarian type of persona. I bet that Ezri was twice as good in bed as Jadzia....don't believe me, ask Worf...he's probabaly the only character who would ever know.....
centurion205 8 months ago 2
@ScireSpire she is already 46 yrs old close to 50 still she is hot is molten iron
Badboy21thekiller 5 months ago
@Badboy21thekiller who is
Mini007ish 4 months ago
@Mini007ish is terry ferrall the lady in this show she is really salsa
Badboy21thekiller 4 months ago
there is one class of ship i dnt see in the federation fleet. Nebula Class...
nakai24 10 months ago
Remember, the Excelsior class ships were designed to have a shelf life of around 80-100 years, so naturally would be upgraded & refitted over their working life, just like real-life Navy ships and air force planes. If you remember, theere was an ep of TNG (can't remember which one) where the Enterprise-D came in for upgrades.
TroyConvers5000 10 months ago
Every time I see the start of the main battle, the hairs on the back of my neck stand up on end. I'd love to see a mutli-ship ding-dong slugfest using modern CG on a par or better than they used for the First Contact Borg battle.
TroyConvers5000 10 months ago
Miranda class. The red shirt Ensign Ricky of starfleet. -__-;
Soldier334 10 months ago
@Soldier334 ah crap. - Ensign Ricky
SpartanPrimus 8 months ago
lol at 5:51 when the text come up: 'It's a trap!' XD
CommanderCarsten 10 months ago
6:15 to 6:21 I don't know why but I love the sight of those two Galaxy-class ships teaming up.
ZKY2 11 months ago
lot of ships out of mothballs thats why they didnt last long
supermanfan62 11 months ago
@supermanfan62 Do you mean the Miranda Classand Exelsior Ships?
Lee78072 10 months ago
The exploration episodes are good but by fuck you can't beat a full on battle episode! Just don't get the fact that how is it after all the losses in battles up to that point including wolf359 vs borg where 39 older ships were lost and lots more thereafter against Klingon, Cardassion and dominion, and after statements that Starfleet have the fleet back up to strength post borg, are we again looking at mostly antic "Cpt Kirk" era starship? Warships vs old exploration ships? would be a slaughter
PangeaSpreads 1 year ago
@PangeaSpreads it was easier in this case to simply upgrade the ships to be on par with the ships of the ds9/tng era than it was to simply start from scratch. star fleet needed ships and instead of waiting and building from scratch each time they simply upgraded some ships. There was actually something I read saying star fleet had the parts to build 6 galaxy class ships if they needed to still on standby just incase. why build 15 new ships when you can upgrade 35 or more and be just as good.
animationcaptain 10 months ago
@animationcaptain Fair point, it still seems to me though that even with the most advanced upgrades that the gulf in class between these really old ships compared to a galaxy or nebula class would still be huge and like trying to turn a Sherman tank to an Abrams, it just aint gonna happen. Don't know much about all the plots and storys but always liked to watch next generation, ds9 and movies and having watch those I saw that Miranda class and excelsior class were Kirk era? 100 year old ships!!?
PangeaSpreads 10 months ago
@PangeaSpreads if you saw the episode where the lakota can be seen it was an upgraded excelsior that was easily as strong as the ships of the tng era. they're by no means the strongest ships like a galaxy or the defiant but are just as dangerous none the less. They're still just as capable. In fact the lakota was armed with quantom torpedoes and pretty much was a low grade sovereign class. Keep in mind that for the most part they're new ships that just look like the old ones so to speak.
animationcaptain 10 months ago
@animationcaptain Makes sense, and your right, an excelsior does look a lot like a sovereign. Love the Galaxy class, stunning, pity about their slow phaser wind up shots, seems a real flaw for a weapon that does not just cut straight through another ship after such a big build up. Ds9 episodes really hit the spot with well thought out battle scenes kicking off with the Klingons trying to take the newly tricked out Ds9, I was like Holy SHIT, that crappy old space stations fucking awesome! Yaaaa!!
PangeaSpreads 10 months ago
@PangeaSpreads I know when ds9 opened up I was like holy heck. If the galaxy class put all that power into a single shot it could punch through but beyond that you are correct it won't punch through. The ds9 space battles were awesome. I don't like that they reused some footage but still it was good regardless. Starfleet wouldn't have put those ships out there if they didn't beef them up quite a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a constitution in there somewhere we didn't see.
animationcaptain 10 months ago
@animationcaptain Constitutions lol.. no doubt, Starfleet, heavily depleted of ships probably dusted off as many scrapped yet space worthy ships as possible run by a skeleton crew. Based on real war tactics, even out dated things have there place. In relation to a star trek battle, old constitutions and the likes would be easy pickings to the enemy but they would have their uses if tailing an advancing fleet during battle by finishing off crippled or heavily damaged enemy ships before recovering
PangeaSpreads 10 months ago
Was the tactical officer on that Bird of Pray drunk?! He took out one of his own! 8:22
22cevans 1 year ago
@22cevans
blood wine can reaaaally fuck a guy's day up eh?
PaletFire 1 year ago
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22cevans 1 year ago
I can't believe the spoon heads would turn against the Federation/Alpha Quadrant. But i think they redeemed themselves by turning on the Dominion in the finale of DS9.
EveryTrip2 1 year ago
@EveryTrip2 Yeah but look at the cost they paid for joining the Dominion and later turning on them. Billions of Cardassians dead, their homeworld and who knows how many other worlds ruined, their territory carved up and split between the three main Alpha Quadrant powers. Any redemption was meaningless.
Fbueller129 1 year ago
i love watching ship battles! :-)
ItalianCaliBoi 1 year ago
6:00-630 die bessten 30 sec von ds9
gtajunky1 1 year ago
about as intense as thr ron artest fight
pimpinjosh12 1 year ago
Holy shit. That was one hell of a battle. I don't think any of the other TV shows ever offered such a battle, and I keep finding different awesome examples from Deep Space Nine... oh, plus there's half a million other reasons to like it.
HuntrBlackLuna 1 year ago
There's an old saying "Fortune favors THE SISKO!" Did the Cardies reallly think they were just gonna jack his space station and there'd be no consequences??
StarshipMaxima 1 year ago
There's an old saying: "it is fatal to show pity in a time of war."
Bla31n 1 year ago
Sometimes, when I'm drunk, I think "I want to watch a Galaxy class go mental", Then I watch this video.
MrNickalollyoff 1 year ago 28
"It's a trap." - Thanks, Doc... you're genetically-enhanced, and that's all you have to offer?
Sarc37 1 year ago 2
God I miss good trek
TheTrueObelus 1 year ago 2
At 1:44 "I kept it warm for you Ben." - I think the producers didn't think about that line when they used it.
twme8 1 year ago 2
@Kwinnky
CGI.
Gekko200000 1 year ago
Garak do you think the Klingons are going to miss a party like this?
smcneal057 1 year ago
What was the Enterprise E doing during the war?
american2546 1 year ago
@american2546 dealing with borg, remus, romuolans. All the TNG movies from First contact-Nemisis are what they are doing
SpartanPrimus 8 months ago
VICTORY IS MINE!
kalelwannabe 1 year ago
I wish they would have shown more Akira's, Nebula's and more Defiants. Seems odd most of the fleet was comprised of TOS era ships (IE. Miranda, Excelsior). The Miranda's were always one torpedo away from exploding.
Audioholics 1 year ago
@Audioholics i read something about the fleets on the frontiers of the federation were mostly comprised of the older era of ships all of those new ships like the akira and steamrunner were part of the inner fleets protecting the core of the federation
Fjsouth 1 year ago
Picard could have defeated the dominon in one day with one ship while drinking a cup of Earl grey and giving Data acting lessons.
NaprTuber 1 year ago
the vulcan admiral at the start was nice.
Tractall 1 year ago
6.16 ownage
superstoeptegel1 1 year ago
@superstoeptegel1
My thoughts exactly. Two Galaxy class ships just paving the way through.
trekgeek1 1 year ago
Where the hell's the sunlight coming from?
DII117 1 year ago
Is it my imagination or did Sisko really do the Picard maneuver before leaving for the battle???
StarshipMaxima 1 year ago
u know what.. why the hell didnt they cloak the ship or build fleets of cloaked ships fuck the acord..
IRONMAIDENFAN2006 1 year ago
Indeed, Enterprise E seemed to absorb an incredible amount of firepower from the Scimitar.
transdrole 1 year ago
5:46
I LOL'D Hard!!!!!!!
Kingrex16 1 year ago
HOLY SHIT, so many starfleet ships in the beginning, then miraculously only the defiant survived
JtodC 1 year ago
@JtodC Well, it was the only one to make it through. Later on the rest of the surviving fleet breaks away. That's why the Dominion left DS9.
BrianDWebber 1 year ago
I'm disapointed that the only time I saw a Neblua class ship in combat this entire war, she gets distroyed. I like that class of ship. In SFC3 I have a nebula class ship called Surprise. That way, surprise would always be on my side!
davideshafer 1 year ago
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6:15 - 6:20
Cardassian captain; Just my bloody luck darn it
legomaniac1995 1 year ago
Anyone else see a problem with Sisko's plan?
"Send in our attack fighters! Tell them to target the Cardassians!"
*Fighter wings blow up left and right*
"Ensign, tell them to keep targeting the Cardassians!"
*one hour later: All fighter wings are destroyed. Dominion lines remain intact*
Sisko: "Anyone else have suggestions?"
mysterio5005 1 year ago
try try again?
Anarchist86ed 1 year ago
He was trying to goad the Cardassians into going after the attack fighters, thus weakening the lines so that the starships could try to punch through. They were essentially cannon fodder.
davew0927 1 year ago
they werent all destroyed. the point was that the cardassians might pursue and open a hole in the dominion line in which the fleet could speed into
theblitz6794 1 year ago
@mysterio5005 eh... he tells the fighters to shelf destruct
Mini007ish 4 months ago
6:15 - 6:20 I like it
Picard578 1 year ago
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iDowDit 1 year ago
I don't understand why they don't use tri-cobalt devices or some other WMDs right in the middle of these fleets.
86koza86 1 year ago
Because of the dramatic effect
lucius1976 1 year ago
Your thinking of those weapons on VOyager. Those were actually less powerful then a Quantum Torpedo. The only thing that made the effective was there blast radius. Notic Tri-cobalt Torpedos were only used once in the entire voyager series, against Species 8472, and that was to only spread modified nano probes.
porpus99 1 year ago
Thank goodness a lot of those ships were Cardassian, which are basically useless against any properly armed Federation ship.
alphaswimmer55 1 year ago
Mainly against Defiant, Galaxy and Nebula class ships. A Galor class ship would have no problem dealing with Miranda or Excelsior ships. It would take about 3 Galor's to tactically match a Galaxy class.
NANOFORGE 1 year ago
They could take a Miranda. But they couldn't take down an Excelsior. The standard Excelsior (from Search for Spock) out-guns a Galor by .07%, not by much but considering that that doesn't factor any upgrades that the excelsior would have received between then and the Dominion War I think it would be slightly more than that. And of course I wouldn't consider a Miranda to be a properly armed federation ship.
alphaswimmer55 1 year ago
6:11 to 6:20, Can we say 'oh shit?' Those Galaxy class starships probably paid the price for it, but I bet they made a hell of a side wall for the wedge of federation ships going into the jaws of hell itself.
knfstarfire 1 year ago
3:15 - To be continued.....
...right now
Steamrunner92 1 year ago
The main reason we never saw any big fleet battles prior to FC and the Dominion War is because they used physical models back then and they were huge, required at least a half dozen guys just to set them up and were expensive. Then they finally switched to CGI during one of DS9's seasons (three, I think) and whamo, awesome space battles.
JasonvonEvil83 2 years ago
"I've kept it warm for you Ben"
Eww, she farted n the chair. :[
RealisticEndings 2 years ago
yeah... but look at Garak head right for the Tactical chair. I think it was cool that they allowed him o stay on the Defiant during the war
Trek001 1 year ago
id let her fart on my face
Hawaii896 1 year ago
this is some entertaining shit. thanks for posting.
and i think the saying is, in the case of Sisko, 'fortune favours the bald'
PoilishedMahogony 2 years ago 3
LOL, loved the bit at the end where the klingon ship shoot one of it's own ships.
phillip1054 2 years ago
i love the fact that across all the different shows the big space battles number less than a dozen, they were always something special.
Braincleaner 2 years ago
I think the Dominion War is a price for Federation to pay after a relative years of peace. They needed to learn that negotiation isn't always the keys to peace. Its a culture shock for the Starfleet as well. The way of war it is.
Hellterra 2 years ago 15
Actually the Federation has had loads of wars and conflicts. They were at full scale war with the Cardassians right before (and possibly during some of) the TNG era. They also went to war with the Klingons during DS9's 5th season, and there were plenty of references to sending ambassadors and diplomats to secure peace treaties with weird unheard-of species that the Feds had been in "conflict" with throughout both TNG and DS9's series. And that's saying nothing of the ongoing Borg war.
theclarkhome 2 years ago
federation ain't so tough in military then.
They either fought to a standstill, or needed help to win.
Hellterra 2 years ago
That was never the focus of the Federation, which Roddenberry made clear - Starfleet was neither military nor scientific, it was a unique entity. The Federation was never intended to be a "tough military" organisation, yet despite that they've still weathered loads of conflicts. The Dominion were particularly powerful, had more advanced ships (and greater numbers) than Starfleet, and had already joined forces with the Cardassians, and they attacked when the Feds were weakened by a Borg attack.
theclarkhome 2 years ago
it wasnt a full scale war as it was a minor skirmish. the supposed "war" lasted a couple of months with no huge loses to the federation.
stringerboi 2 years ago
They never went to war with the Klingons, that was merely a battle and it didn't lead to war.
CynicalVision 2 years ago
I'm not talking about Way of the Warrior. There was full scale war between the Feds and Klingon Empire between 2372 and 2373. Season 5 saw the beginning of the war, and it was brought to an end when Martok was revealed to be a changeling.
theclarkhome 2 years ago 2
@theclarkhome it was not as bad as the domion war though.
thewewguy8t88 2 years ago
@thewewguy8t88 yeah it was nowhere near as brutal, nor did it last very long, but Starfleet still lost ships. We know the Farragut was destroyed in one episode, and that was a large powerful starship (Nebula class I believe?)
theclarkhome 2 years ago
@theclarkhome yeah i know but like honestly it felt like the klingons were just as bad granted they were more dangerous but they were well just as bad and treated the same way. it was not an offical war.
thewewguy8t88 2 years ago
It was official. The incident in WotW was a "skirmish", but the actual Klingon war that started at the end of Season 4 is recognised as an official war.
To quote Sisko in a later, mid season-5 episode:
"Between the Klingon war and the recent Borg attack, Starfleet's spread pretty thin."
Referring to the *war* with the Klingons, which by that point had already reached a cease fire.
theclarkhome 2 years ago
Non-sense... every single alien race but the vulcans have been at war with the federation... they are a galactic neutering force... even the borg seemed boring after Janeway came back.
Urkinorobitch 2 years ago
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Fuck, the station was more trouble than it was worth. Who gives a shit about the wormhole and collapse the fucker o that you save YOUR side of the galaxy!
DS9 was nothing but a shit in the long line of star trek constipation.
gribae 2 years ago
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The Federation wanted to control the wormhole so they could explore the galaxy. That could be seen as typical colonialist claptrap...maybe the founders' fears were justified.
badger5079 2 years ago
federation gonna open a can of WHOOP ASS!
MonkeyWrench4269101 2 years ago 3
I wish the Enterprise-E were there to join them. ;_;
IMHO Star Trek 9 should have been about the Dominion War. But nooooooooooooooooo....Berman and Braga had to make that god awful Insurrection.
pinoi78 2 years ago 27
i couldn't agree with you more. if 9 had focused on the Dominion War and had the cast of TNG and DS9 together it could have been something amazing, added with the latest CGI it would have drawn big money
philipdeland619 2 years ago 5
I agree.
The Enterprise E would have rewled in the Dominion War, with it's massive amounts of firepower.
The Sovereign class (Enterprise-E) and the Defiant seem to be the only "battleships" of sorts the Federation has. I don't know why they didn't come up with something powerful a long time before.
Hellow54321 2 years ago 13
@Hellow54321 Keep in mind, that the Socerign class star ship was still a ship ment for exploration. According to a star trek novel, written by William Shattner, Shinzons ship the Scimatar was designed for the dominion war to fight those massive ships the domminion have. The Entirprise was nearly destroyed by the Scimatar. Of course the Enterprise could have destroyed Jem Hadar ships of a smaller class, but a full blown Jem Hadar war ship? I dont think so.
porpus99 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 Not true. The Dominions massive ships, witch there names elude me at the moment, actually had weapons comperable to the Scimatar. The Soverign class, while armed, was not a true war ship, but a ship designed for Exploration. As was almost all the fleet, save the Defiant class.
porpus99 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 you are forgetting the Prometheus class
vnixned2 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 Also...consider the fact how these immeasurably expensive ships, lead by a government organization lack Marines to defend it.
nocliper101 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 Sovereign class vs. Dominion battleship.
They should have Captain Picard in command of some Alliance fleet.
Picard578 1 year ago
@Hellow54321
Before, they were explorers, not warriors. But with the threats of the dominion and the borg, the federation realized they need to have teh ability to defend themselves.
Gekko200000 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 You are forgetting about Excalibur.
legitimatemind 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 The Prometheus is also a Battleship
22cevans 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 rodenberry saw the federation primarily as an exploration and research coalition, not a military arm. the lack of offensive design in previous starfleet vessels reflect this
johnnyb1936 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 because they didn't have time plus before the defiant and enterprise E the galaxy class was the most powerful ship the federation could muster. more exploration vessels than warships which is a massive problem at times
Saiyar990 1 year ago
@Hellow54321 The Enterprise E is obviously the strongest starship however IMO I believe it's still more for exploration like the Galaxy Class.
boxa1500 10 months ago
@boxa1500 they only use 2 weapons such as phasers and photon/Quantium torpedos. what about missiles and nuclear warheads and rockets
Mini007ish 4 months ago
@pinoi78 here here! or is it "hear hear!" ?
onepcwhiz 1 year ago
@pinoi78 Well, think about it: the Dominion was a DS9-exclusive storyline.....can you imagine how out of place the TNG crew would look fighting in a war?
TrekkieAlex 1 year ago
@pinoi78 B&B ruined the franchise
skibothy 1 year ago
@pinoi78 get the book Tales of the Dominion War, it tells what the E was doing during the war
skibothy 1 year ago
@pinoi78 yeah, didn't even see ANY soveriegn class ships. but it was fuckin cool seeing all the galaxy class ships teamed up
OopeeShaba 1 year ago
@pinoi78 I agree, Insurrection and Nemesis were terrible and the Enterprise series was crap to say the least. I would like Star Trek 12 to be about Trelane (recasted) and Q, more or less based on the novel Q squared by Peter David who is a brilliant author. Nemesis was like a re - hash of The wrath of khan, and Insurrection, well the less said about it the better.
BetterthanSchuey 1 year ago
@pinoi78 I think you meant to say Rick Berman and Michael Piller. But Braga deserves a shot to the face for writing GENERATIONS and FIRST CONTACT.
Bla31n 1 year ago
LOL @ 5:50 It's a trap! Where is Admiral Akbar when you need him? XD
sternfan75 2 years ago 5
Whoever controls the wormhole, controls the universe....
...err...Alpha Quadrant.
(Kudos if you get that Dune reference.)
TheNN 2 years ago 3
2:22
pimpinjosh12 2 years ago
4:50
pimpinjosh12 2 years ago
Wow , why didnt the dominions/cardassians make any efford to stop them? They just stand there...
kennu7776 2 years ago
This is probably a noob question but why couldnt they just warp the whole fleet through the cardasians and dominion to ds9?
GROOVER2006 2 years ago