doesn't savate technique rely on reinforced shoes? and of course mt is disallowed elbows and knees in this fight. so it's really just "two fighters of different styles see how well they do against each other in kickboxing rules". right?
you can never have a fair match. that's just how it is.
Savate is one of those rare styles that is really good for the street and for the ring, Savate is designed to be used with shoes, bruce lee incorporated some savate style into jeet kune do
First, this wasn't Savat Vs. Muay Thai, because in Savate, you wear shoes, so you don't hurt your opponent or your feet. A few of the kicks require pointed hits, which use the construction of the shoe's toe as a blunt weapon, cracking ribs and damaging internal organs. Second, these seem to be kickboxing rules. They probably don't let either opponent do leg-sweeps, not to mention the elbow or knee blows everyone seems to love these days. Third, both fighters lived...which is what we wanted.
The fact is, this cannot be called Muay Thai VS Savate 'cause the rules of the fight didn't allow "the eight limbs" contact (and the clinch they did was not exactly that), neither the Savate complete garments. So, we can't call this Muay Thai VS Savate, maybe Thaiboxer VS Savateur under "strange Kickboxing rules". Don't get me wrong, that's just what I think.
Greetings!
P.D. By the way, I like the Giordani's fighting style.
The fact is, this cannot be called Muay Thai VS Savate 'cause the rules of the fight didn't allow "the eight limbs" contact (and the clinch they did was not exactly that), neither the Savate complete garments. So, we can't call this Muay Thai VS Savate, maybe Thaiboxer VS Savateur under "strange Kickboxing rules". Don't get me wrong, that's just what I think.
Cenotaff hit the nail on the head. MT and Savate are actually complimentary to each other and rather nasty striking combo IMO. In addition to the striking and grappling arts listed, add in Kali so that you cover all ranges of fighting. With the advent of MMA, people merely relied upon sport-style fighting for combatives/self-preservation training. Let's not forget, self-defense and sport-specific training are two totally different animals.
musicmanvin1, i train muay thai and when people use the boxing weave, they're moving too fast for you to predict where to place those elbows or knees. If you hit them like that, you would've had to start the knee before they weaved, and you normally wouldn't throw a knee outside of the plum anyhow, it takes away alot of the power. Just saying.
im sorry.. but this fight was insanely restricted on the muay thai fighter.
i saw plenty of opportunites to land elbows and knees.. every time the savate guy ducked and weaved thats an opportune moment to land a elbow on his head, or knee to his face.
and to think you guys said it was fair that the savate guy couldnt use steel shoes so its fair? i don't know about you bunch of that's an external piece aka weapon, the muay thai guy has no weapons.. just the body he was given.
@musicmanvin1 Savate is based almost completely around using the toes to kick, so him not being able to use the shoes restricted him ALOT.
I train both equally, it's like the only two stand up arts I train, and I think they were equally restricted. Muy thai isn't based ff elbows and knees, they just incorporate alot of them.
Neither system is superior to the other and claiming otherwise is idiotic. Each has its strengths and success depends on applying them in the ring. The three things that determines who wins are preparation, execution and luck.
Thats true, boxers who think there the best usually go down to people who can use there hands and feet and grapple, but grapplers also have gone down to boxers and so on and so on, To bad there isnt much savate training to find around in the states
@rondolce bullshit. if the world's top 20 mt fighers fought the world's top 20 savate fighers you can't guarantee that it would always somehow end up 10 to 10. some systems are more complete because they incorporate more ranges (elbowing and kneeing, groundfighting, etc) or focus on shoes-on vs barefoot combat, or gi vs no-gi combat, etc. Not everything in life is equal and not everything in real life ends being a tie. I wouldn't want it to, either
@snapper842002 it matters not the system or the style i have sparred with muay thia fighters and have won(I use capoeira)it is the person who is fighting how good they are
I thoughts are that regardless of style, as long as the fighter has the correct mentality and is able to utilise his skills, then he'll be the one that prevails, no matter what style. basically, i've just reworded what you 've said.
ese peleador de muay thai no creo que fuese un buen peleador, se llevo a cabo en 1997, Ramon Dekkers andaba activo y muy poderoso, le hubiesen a puesto a Ramon para ver si el muay thai es fácil de vencer! jejejejeje
i like this fight it was good, but it can't really be called muay thai v savate because there is no knees or elbows, all those times the savate guy was in the clinch or in short range elbows and knees would have been perfect.
The MT guy dominated most of the fight but congrats on the precision kicking by the savate champ.
@libtolu well I don't know what rules their using but its definitely not savate rules as they are not wearing boots, so we can assume that the savate fighter is also somewhat disadvantaged. there probably both having to adapt.
You're right. The savate guy had the advantage because his style consists of punches and kicks, unlike the muay thai guy who uses punches,kicks,knees,elbows, and sometimes headbutts
dude its a sport, who said anything about these guys getting in street fights? anyone can kill with a gun, but it takes skill to use your body as a weapon, you obviously dont have a passion for martial arts maybe your passion in sitting your computer chair jerking it, but we dont judge you so screw off.
You act as though everyone in the world is carrying a gun on then. Martial Arts is used to take down the imediate threat,and if needed, kill the person. How is a dead guy going to go and get a gun?
Also: In the case that you lose ur gun, if it is in a war or something that requires you to have a gun, you can still ue MA to defend urself. If you get close enough to a peron with a gun, you can basically render his gun useless.
You are also forgetting martial arts came before the gun.
wing chun is the best defense MA but muay thai is the most power offense. wing chun waits for you to attack then breaks your knee or something, which wouldnt be used unless your life depends on it
Nice KO i love it. To bad N/A thaiboxers arent the same as dutch/thai ones i wouldve loved to see this guy fight agains the top 10 thaiboxers of his weight
Muai thai is great. It has proven its worth in MMA and K1 many times.
Savat fighter also had restricitons because in sport competitive savat there are a lot of things you can't do that you normaly practice in savat. (like breaking a knee of your opponent while he is doing low kick ...)
There are many elements in street fight savat that are forbiden in sport combat.
Id like to see a match where Muay Thai doesnt get a handicap. No knees and no elbows is a disadvantage to MT guys cause they are forced to fight a different fight from what they are used to.
there are no knees and elbows allowed in a muay thai vs savate match because its under kickboxing rules, and savate forbids the use of elbows and knees whereas muay thai uses them
of course you can punch in savate. even in conventional full-contact karate/kickboxing matches, punches were much more frequently employed in europe and japan than in thailand. do some research about savate and you'll know that it's a mixture of punches and kicks.
power vs speed? muay thai is power and speed. they're both similar though in that punches score low on judging scale. anyway champion or not this particular savate fighter is much better than the muay thai fighter, movement, technique, versatility...
These are two awesome arts. The Italian kid had more experience than the other kid. But, if you could put 2 guys of the same caliber in the ring and let them fight as their styles permit,(i.e. elbows, knees, savate shoes, etc.) then it would be a very interest fight.
Too me it was a fair fight. The muay thai practitioner couldn't use his deadly knees or elbows and the savator couldn't use his svate shoes which hurts when his at the tip of the show. But of course i'm not that sure. The muay thai dude made the right choice fighting inside against a kicking type like savate. If he could infight even closer with his elbows or knees, what will happen?
Even with the elbows and knees it would eb the same result. as the Savate guy was getting the high kicks to the head regardless of weather mr Muay Thai could use knees or elbows.
and if a savate fighter can't use punches and kicks same is true, if u take any any fighters tools that are an integral part to his style he can't fight well
this is a MT competition but the winner has savate bckground just like the other video that i'd watch featuring ramon dekker vs pennachio.i think they want to promote savate.
its true that not being able to elbow and knee is much more of a handicap then not being able to wear shoes, but the KO delivered by the savateur more than compensates for having a lesser handicap, showing that this is the true outcome
Shoes are not a martial skill or a bodily strength that you work day in and day out to develop which is what the skill of the elbow strike is. A shoe that is designed to inflict higher damage than what your body would inflict naturally is a weapon. That aside it was definitely a good fight but I'd like to see a similar one with full contact rules.
i fucking hate it ! FOR GODSAKE ,THERE IS NO FUCKING BETTER MARTIAL ARTS THEN ANOTHER ! there is better FIGHTERS then another ! any martial arts is good !
i prefer muay thai because it has elbows and knees !
savate has "just" fists and kicks ! but both styles are very close and there is a lot of champions who do both of 'em !
savate is more "aerial" but muay thai is more striking (elbows are the best weapon in human body ,believe me !)
but most contests don't allow them........................
your partly correct, a fighter is like a mechanic, a mechanic has both tools and the skills to use them. the same goes fro fighters, a muay thai fighter has a "toolbox" that includes muay thai punches, muay thai kicks ect, and a karate student has a tool box with karate punches kicks ect, one "tool" may be stronger/better/ more efficant then another, but the skill of the fighter to use his tools matters too. some tools may be 20 times better then others the same goes fro fighters
This is straight up kick boxing. But you're right, he is not allowed savate boots. He would've fought differently if he was allowed them. Maybe a leg knock out.
He also plays guitar so he is also representing guitar players.
ke cazzata!!!! quello ke fa muay thai non ha tirato una volta un colpo di ginocchia o di gomito vuol dire ke ha combattuto al 50% delle sue possibilità!!!
It's not so similar if you practice Savate. I can see many differences. Mainly the MT lacks movement.
Savateurs have shoes and usually kick with the shoe's bottom or then with toes(it's a reinforced shoe). There is more distance and the kicks are totally different.
Let's hear it for The Inosanto Academy! But what the heck is that music in the background? Is this a fight ring or Agrabah? Bring out the belly dancers for godsake.
It's originally a French kickboxing martial art developed in the early 1800s but now it's mostly a sport. People now try to claim that it was derived from Muay Thai Sport but they're idiots. Muay Thai wasn't designed until the 1900s after people were tired that too many people were dying in the Muay Boran martial art competitions. They designed it, excluding so many of the techniques and movements of Muay Boran, that there's nothing left but its striking skills(punches, kicks, etc, except the-
savate had been develope way before the 1800. Savate comes from southern france and is also used in northern spain by the catalans and the basques. Savate orginally came from southern france by the mederterrianian coast in a town called nice which is not far from marsaille and the italian border. IT was said that savate might have been in develope for centuries. southern france was always a violent place since greek colonization to the modern period b cuz of gangs was savate was developed.
Have to feel bad for the Muay Thai fellow. When you train using elbows and knees for as long they do and then you fight in a match where those moves are restricted. Well, it sort of bugs you. D:
Bien sur que la boxe fr est plus puissante est performante que le muay thai faut arété de se branlé sur la boxe thai seriieux par contre c vré la boxe fr est beaucoup plus lente.
Imagine if the Muay Thai fighter was allowed elbows, at least 4 second clinches, and knees. And to the person below, Savate DOES NOT have elbows, knees, headbutts, or wrestling. Your watching too much Human Weapon. Of course there is streetfighting, but in SF'ing you can use any tactics anyways, so its not unique to savate. Savate is a ringsport now, only foot kicks and punches allowed. Similar to the way Muay Boran used to be ultra brutal but its not allowed in the ring now unless demonstration
It doesn't take long to teach elbows and knees. I teach them to white belts all the time and by the time class ends they can at least throw them hard. Teaching an experienced savateur to use them would be pretty easy.
Muay Thai is a multi-range martial art, that's why it incorporates elbows and knees. Muay Thai fighters don't clinch because they are tired; the clinch is an essential Muay Thai technique. The idea is to force your opponent's head down into knee-strike range.
You can do effective Muay Thai without knees. Not too hard.
Elbows? Most fights now don't even ALLOW you to use elbows. Mainly because it doesn't demonstrate too much skill. You can change an entire outcome too easily with them. And that they are too dangerous. That's why a lot of Muay Thai fights now don't allow them.
Muay Thai fights where? Try watching Muay Thai matchs from Thailand, they're full of elbows. Thais believe that disallowing elbows takes away from the art of Muay Thai. Therefore, many Thais don't consider restricted-rules fights to be 'real' Muay Thai. And trust me, using elbows effectively does take skill. I should know; I've been on the receiving end of one.
You can't do effective Muay Thai without elbows and knees. It's like trying to saw off the hands of a regular American boxer. Savate is a long-range style, and Muay Thai is relatively close range. Take away elbows/knees and you're changing the entire style of Muay Thai, throwing the fighter off, while the Savate fighter has no such problem. No shoes? BIG DEAL! He still has his FEET!
That's rubbish, I've a crapload of Muay Thai lately (and I'm lovin it) and they hardly ever use their elbows and knees, its mainly kicks and punches, with knees in the clinches and elbows in real tight clinches. This fight had one clinch so he hardly missed out on many knees or elbows.
I honestly think if Elbows and Knees were allowed the outcome would have been pretty much the smae, with the possiblity of a blood stoppage which is just soft anyways.
savate is more speed , muay thai is more power-
krisnnaabraham 3 months ago
Why isn't the savate guy wearing his gear??
Dimitri0809 3 months ago
doesn't savate technique rely on reinforced shoes? and of course mt is disallowed elbows and knees in this fight. so it's really just "two fighters of different styles see how well they do against each other in kickboxing rules". right?
you can never have a fair match. that's just how it is.
ubersum1 3 months ago 3
2:22 for awesome
alleseigentlich 4 months ago
good fight !!
vigilan7e 6 months ago
now i know why kurt in the kickboxer lost. frikkin music driving me nuts haha.
ClubPenguinDisney 7 months ago
Precision and application of force at the right moment won it for the savate guy.
zubiAfghani 8 months ago
i wounder why "Ashely" bacame a fighter...
MoKillaGorilla 8 months ago
Savate is better than Muay Thai.
mcnekit 8 months ago
this fight seemed skewed to Savate's advantage....
looker768 10 months ago
Although I was trained in Muay Thai. I actually used savate kicks in my fighting style. I highly respect savate.
jlac2xmglock 1 year ago 2
Savate is one of those rare styles that is really good for the street and for the ring, Savate is designed to be used with shoes, bruce lee incorporated some savate style into jeet kune do
Eso1 1 year ago 2
Wing Chun.
KuvHmoobNas 1 year ago
First, this wasn't Savat Vs. Muay Thai, because in Savate, you wear shoes, so you don't hurt your opponent or your feet. A few of the kicks require pointed hits, which use the construction of the shoe's toe as a blunt weapon, cracking ribs and damaging internal organs. Second, these seem to be kickboxing rules. They probably don't let either opponent do leg-sweeps, not to mention the elbow or knee blows everyone seems to love these days. Third, both fighters lived...which is what we wanted.
DegoFlamron 1 year ago
The fact is, this cannot be called Muay Thai VS Savate 'cause the rules of the fight didn't allow "the eight limbs" contact (and the clinch they did was not exactly that), neither the Savate complete garments. So, we can't call this Muay Thai VS Savate, maybe Thaiboxer VS Savateur under "strange Kickboxing rules". Don't get me wrong, that's just what I think.
Greetings!
P.D. By the way, I like the Giordani's fighting style.
petshop112i 1 year ago 10
The fact is, this cannot be called Muay Thai VS Savate 'cause the rules of the fight didn't allow "the eight limbs" contact (and the clinch they did was not exactly that), neither the Savate complete garments. So, we can't call this Muay Thai VS Savate, maybe Thaiboxer VS Savateur under "strange Kickboxing rules". Don't get me wrong, that's just what I think.
Greetings!
petshop112i 1 year ago
Cenotaff hit the nail on the head. MT and Savate are actually complimentary to each other and rather nasty striking combo IMO. In addition to the striking and grappling arts listed, add in Kali so that you cover all ranges of fighting. With the advent of MMA, people merely relied upon sport-style fighting for combatives/self-preservation training. Let's not forget, self-defense and sport-specific training are two totally different animals.
merseysideoc 1 year ago
Savate + Muay Thai + BJJ = Wrestling = bliss?
Cenotaff 1 year ago
Calgary, Canada!? YEAH! My hometown!
spellp 1 year ago
all martial arts are good
unfortunately there could be a skiny guy, bumb ,unskilled fighter with a gun and he could beat anyone.
MrBet01982 1 year ago
Que bonita patada, hermosisima de verdad que bonita patada el trazo que llevaba no se vió, me gustaría verla de otro ángulo
JavaMaX 1 year ago
i like that main idea power vs speed sounds prety fancy but is ok
JavaMaX 1 year ago
Mauy thai in Thailand they train on real wood so they bones are prepared to hit but savate is about destroying
Americano90Webmaster 1 year ago
Mauy thai in Thailand they train on real wood so they bones are prepared to hit but savate is about destroying
Americano90Webmaster 1 year ago
@Americano90Webmaster no they dont train real wood
jon123nepalikid 1 year ago
Man that KO was awesome. SAVATE FTW!
Anidem9 2 years ago
musicmanvin1, i train muay thai and when people use the boxing weave, they're moving too fast for you to predict where to place those elbows or knees. If you hit them like that, you would've had to start the knee before they weaved, and you normally wouldn't throw a knee outside of the plum anyhow, it takes away alot of the power. Just saying.
scoccerguy15 2 years ago
Damn! The Savate guy is GOOD! Thought the Muay Thai dude was gonna win - oh well, such is life
evilunixuser1 2 years ago 3
im sorry.. but this fight was insanely restricted on the muay thai fighter.
i saw plenty of opportunites to land elbows and knees.. every time the savate guy ducked and weaved thats an opportune moment to land a elbow on his head, or knee to his face.
and to think you guys said it was fair that the savate guy couldnt use steel shoes so its fair? i don't know about you bunch of that's an external piece aka weapon, the muay thai guy has no weapons.. just the body he was given.
musicmanvin1 2 years ago
@musicmanvin1 Savate is based almost completely around using the toes to kick, so him not being able to use the shoes restricted him ALOT.
I train both equally, it's like the only two stand up arts I train, and I think they were equally restricted. Muy thai isn't based ff elbows and knees, they just incorporate alot of them.
williamhenkel 2 years ago 4
1 Shoes tip is just thick leather.
2 Read over Savate Défense and Chaus'Fight (subsets of La Boxe Française-Savate) >shins, elbows, knees, subm. wrestl.
3 I train both equally and both have their strenghts and weaknesses.
While MTs strenght lies in the clinch, LBF-S hasn't got this and trains on creating distance for giving a furry of kicks.
So eventually it depends on the fighter and not the style. If the MTer can close the distance he wins, but to do that he'll have to eat alot of kicks.
renegysenbergs 2 years ago 5
2:25 Amazing... !!!
kurdtxxx 2 years ago
bronze vs champion .... lol
kurdtxxx 2 years ago
Damn - Michael's kicks are deadly! nice.
djcrm 2 years ago
Similar styles, I like them both
Both savate and Muay Thai fighter could compete in K-1
Cropheus 2 years ago
they dont have one bit of similarities
TwistedMayhem 2 years ago 2
Neither system is superior to the other and claiming otherwise is idiotic. Each has its strengths and success depends on applying them in the ring. The three things that determines who wins are preparation, execution and luck.
rondolce 2 years ago 17
Thats true, boxers who think there the best usually go down to people who can use there hands and feet and grapple, but grapplers also have gone down to boxers and so on and so on, To bad there isnt much savate training to find around in the states
Mider999 2 years ago
And on top of that it depends under what rules you are fighting.
Like taking a boxer to a wrestling match, or even in this fight the muay thai fighter can't use elbows or knees.
buttface123455 2 years ago 2
@rondolce bullshit. if the world's top 20 mt fighers fought the world's top 20 savate fighers you can't guarantee that it would always somehow end up 10 to 10. some systems are more complete because they incorporate more ranges (elbowing and kneeing, groundfighting, etc) or focus on shoes-on vs barefoot combat, or gi vs no-gi combat, etc. Not everything in life is equal and not everything in real life ends being a tie. I wouldn't want it to, either
snapper842002 1 year ago
@snapper842002 it matters not the system or the style i have sparred with muay thia fighters and have won(I use capoeira)it is the person who is fighting how good they are
321junier 1 year ago
@rondolce A very good comment.
I thoughts are that regardless of style, as long as the fighter has the correct mentality and is able to utilise his skills, then he'll be the one that prevails, no matter what style. basically, i've just reworded what you 've said.
DW01 1 year ago
cmon michael whoa!!!
binuzian2 2 years ago
Savate is the best martial art :)
benrush17 2 years ago
no style is best its the fighter!!
shuriken86 2 years ago 4
straight kick to the face lol geeze real good timing and placement
ledzeppelin8 2 years ago
ese peleador de muay thai no creo que fuese un buen peleador, se llevo a cabo en 1997, Ramon Dekkers andaba activo y muy poderoso, le hubiesen a puesto a Ramon para ver si el muay thai es fácil de vencer! jejejejeje
MrMikkel87 2 years ago 2
El savate tiene una ventaja natural, se usa zapato.
Duenderelojero 2 years ago
hmm talvez pero no lo creo tanto
pero es savate se ve k es muy bueno pero igual aki el cuate de muat thai dejo a desear
ya hagan algo kon karate , taekwondo,hapkido no se artes asi para chekkar su punch
infernum09 2 years ago
everyone know that thai own savate
gonzalo9124 2 years ago
you obviously watched the vid then dumbass
kylesteinhauser 2 years ago
take a look at enoch effah jackass
diceniceable 2 years ago
i like this fight it was good, but it can't really be called muay thai v savate because there is no knees or elbows, all those times the savate guy was in the clinch or in short range elbows and knees would have been perfect.
The MT guy dominated most of the fight but congrats on the precision kicking by the savate champ.
libtolu 3 years ago 24
@libtolu well I don't know what rules their using but its definitely not savate rules as they are not wearing boots, so we can assume that the savate fighter is also somewhat disadvantaged. there probably both having to adapt.
timmybiggerboy 1 year ago
@libtolu agreed!
FRIJ0LES0NLY 1 month ago
el savate tiene mas movimiento y rompe con la posicion estatica que tiene el muay thai.
De todas formas ambas artes marciales son de mi agrado.
tigreblanco1488 3 years ago
esto no se puede comparar... en estos casos gana el mejor luchador... no el del "mejor" arte.
rnbdanny 2 years ago
not if u get shot
Smodes88 3 years ago
2:22
dclark89 3 years ago
Cool. Now I know I should do both!
tiecuando 3 years ago
vive la French Boxe
olkainroux599 3 years ago 2
i see a knee at 1:56. how come it's not allowed?
iwao72 3 years ago
looked a little bit like a kick which he decided to not commit to - the foot flicked out.
might well have been a knee though, natural reactions and all...
penneyduk 3 years ago
This brought back memories of reading Captain America comics and Batroc the Leaper lol
NeoGee 3 years ago
damn that dude got served. it was bound to happen the guy was just chasing em.
doctorsizzle 3 years ago
No elbows/knees? they should've just tied the guys hands up n told him 2 fight. Muay thai is the art of 8 limbs not 4, that's kickboxing!
b19dog 3 years ago 2
You're right. The savate guy had the advantage because his style consists of punches and kicks, unlike the muay thai guy who uses punches,kicks,knees,elbows, and sometimes headbutts
thechelseablues12 3 years ago
look on the brite side there were no shoes which will be alot more destructive
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
i agree with this guy he pretty much had no way to do his own signture moves.
nemesistypeb 3 years ago
pensei que o cara so Savat ia morrer no gás.
brunovoxxx 3 years ago
His step not muay thai
polkrisn 3 years ago
ma in general is stupid because you beat the guy but then the guy comes back with a gun and kills you then what .
yankonthis 3 years ago
at least some moments more to live.
Oh and before I forget it: hater.
Malachayas 3 years ago
Thats why you leave after kicking someone's ass.
Few people are actually going to come back after with a gun, and if they do then they'll go to jail... Good choice?
fuelnfire33 3 years ago
dude its a sport, who said anything about these guys getting in street fights? anyone can kill with a gun, but it takes skill to use your body as a weapon, you obviously dont have a passion for martial arts maybe your passion in sitting your computer chair jerking it, but we dont judge you so screw off.
LudwigDrummer7486 3 years ago
You act as though everyone in the world is carrying a gun on then. Martial Arts is used to take down the imediate threat,and if needed, kill the person. How is a dead guy going to go and get a gun?
Also: In the case that you lose ur gun, if it is in a war or something that requires you to have a gun, you can still ue MA to defend urself. If you get close enough to a peron with a gun, you can basically render his gun useless.
You are also forgetting martial arts came before the gun.
SaiXgon 3 years ago
No elbows or knees and the other guy had to give up some shitty shoes? Lame.
onlyplaytabs 3 years ago
wing chun is the best defense MA but muay thai is the most power offense. wing chun waits for you to attack then breaks your knee or something, which wouldnt be used unless your life depends on it
AsG1989 3 years ago
actually wing chun is a joke
joe90210 3 years ago
Nice KO i love it. To bad N/A thaiboxers arent the same as dutch/thai ones i wouldve loved to see this guy fight agains the top 10 thaiboxers of his weight
neukworst 3 years ago
why was this flagged?
cbg85 3 years ago 2
how do u know when a video is flagged
pacogpimp 3 years ago
Because when you come to this page it comes up confirm birth date and that it was flagged
mitchx69 3 years ago
savate is great
okr228 3 years ago
Muai thai is great. It has proven its worth in MMA and K1 many times.
Savat fighter also had restricitons because in sport competitive savat there are a lot of things you can't do that you normaly practice in savat. (like breaking a knee of your opponent while he is doing low kick ...)
There are many elements in street fight savat that are forbiden in sport combat.
RexBaselio 3 years ago
Id like to see a match where Muay Thai doesnt get a handicap. No knees and no elbows is a disadvantage to MT guys cause they are forced to fight a different fight from what they are used to.
simion11 3 years ago 4
I agree but then that would put the shoes on the savate guy but i dunno if savate has defense against the clinch.
yohatube 3 years ago
A defense against the clinch is to close the distance and come forward. When you back away is when your in trouble.
mason813 3 years ago
Michael owned him!!
CloudFROST 3 years ago
These really are two great fighting styles
Psilosiini 3 years ago 4
fierce high kicks, well fought...I expected more low kicks from them.
steppersheaven 3 years ago
there are no knees and elbows allowed in a muay thai vs savate match because its under kickboxing rules, and savate forbids the use of elbows and knees whereas muay thai uses them
Guitarfreak911 3 years ago 5
boxe francaise powaaa les gars, c'est le best ;)
kryvenne 3 years ago
So Muay Thai doesn't always win huh
Zak024 3 years ago
Of course not.
devourerofbabies 3 years ago 2
French boxing is the Best !
Thetheo061295 3 years ago
heay super video de savate, boxe francaise !
bravo ! super technique !
thewillstyle 3 years ago
of course you can punch in savate. even in conventional full-contact karate/kickboxing matches, punches were much more frequently employed in europe and japan than in thailand. do some research about savate and you'll know that it's a mixture of punches and kicks.
jujiboy 3 years ago
Flagged? There are much more violent videos out there.
monsterbikeroot 3 years ago 2
power vs speed? muay thai is power and speed. they're both similar though in that punches score low on judging scale. anyway champion or not this particular savate fighter is much better than the muay thai fighter, movement, technique, versatility...
sagmann20 3 years ago
savate is only kicking you can't punch
mx4406 3 years ago
wrong
guigui55 3 years ago 2
1 simple wiki search could have saved you looking stupid... was it worth not learning before speaking?
Creationsofmyown 3 years ago 5
yeah!!!!!
dyingxmonkey 3 years ago
Ese Michael es un bravo,como volteo el resultado.
xatanos 3 years ago
savate is beautiful!
electronikita 3 years ago 2
agreed
spellthemagicword 3 years ago
Savate rocks same style used by Gambit in xmen fictional yes but hey Gambit is still abdass
CajunH2O 3 years ago
Michael Giordani è un grande
vitto908 3 years ago
These are two awesome arts. The Italian kid had more experience than the other kid. But, if you could put 2 guys of the same caliber in the ring and let them fight as their styles permit,(i.e. elbows, knees, savate shoes, etc.) then it would be a very interest fight.
likecrazydaddy 3 years ago 2
Too me it was a fair fight. The muay thai practitioner couldn't use his deadly knees or elbows and the savator couldn't use his svate shoes which hurts when his at the tip of the show. But of course i'm not that sure. The muay thai dude made the right choice fighting inside against a kicking type like savate. If he could infight even closer with his elbows or knees, what will happen?
kickboxer1391 3 years ago
That´s a great fight but i think Muay Thay is better than the Savate. Ashley Ods Sucks!!!
pablo50240 3 years ago
Good bobbing and weaving
AzWeThInKwEizZ 3 years ago
WOW, Savate must be very very powerful, so powerful like Muay Thai :D:D
very good fighters
kukulidodo 3 years ago
the savate guys obvisously has more experience
LaBelS11 3 years ago
The man with black shorts has a much better foot work. Foot work is very important in a fight, I realised that only after a few street fights...
Rackets1 3 years ago
obviously is that, that guy is a savate fighter --.--''
BTW it's not fair that the MT guy is not allowed to use elboows and knees, this takes of half of his possibilities to win...
fLaShErDj 3 years ago 3
on the other hand the savatore wasn't allowed to wear his shoes - notice: these shoes would be reinforced - so it was quite fair
Rackets1: the savatore has a different footwork - addjusted to street fighting MT not
nice fight though
NJODO86 3 years ago
Even with the elbows and knees it would eb the same result. as the Savate guy was getting the high kicks to the head regardless of weather mr Muay Thai could use knees or elbows.
ANZACJugger0 3 years ago
Looks like a boxing VS kick-boxing - -*
FightingSiamFish 3 years ago
Seemingly nice fight, but if a muay thai fighter can't use hit elbows or knees....not even a contest.
Hawbawbowba 3 years ago
and if a savate fighter can't use punches and kicks same is true, if u take any any fighters tools that are an integral part to his style he can't fight well
tuman829 3 years ago
this is a MT competition but the winner has savate bckground just like the other video that i'd watch featuring ramon dekker vs pennachio.i think they want to promote savate.
KaliChalsengkida 3 years ago
its true that not being able to elbow and knee is much more of a handicap then not being able to wear shoes, but the KO delivered by the savateur more than compensates for having a lesser handicap, showing that this is the true outcome
cabacaCB 3 years ago
Shoes are not a martial skill or a bodily strength that you work day in and day out to develop which is what the skill of the elbow strike is. A shoe that is designed to inflict higher damage than what your body would inflict naturally is a weapon. That aside it was definitely a good fight but I'd like to see a similar one with full contact rules.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago 2
They were both handicapped. The Muay thai cant use elbows/knees and the Savate isnt aloud to wear Savate shoes.
I like both styles a lot but it seems Savate would win most fights against Muay Thai.
greenhouse5 3 years ago
i fucking hate it ! FOR GODSAKE ,THERE IS NO FUCKING BETTER MARTIAL ARTS THEN ANOTHER ! there is better FIGHTERS then another ! any martial arts is good !
i prefer muay thai because it has elbows and knees !
savate has "just" fists and kicks ! but both styles are very close and there is a lot of champions who do both of 'em !
savate is more "aerial" but muay thai is more striking (elbows are the best weapon in human body ,believe me !)
but most contests don't allow them........................
toof74 3 years ago 6
your partly correct, a fighter is like a mechanic, a mechanic has both tools and the skills to use them. the same goes fro fighters, a muay thai fighter has a "toolbox" that includes muay thai punches, muay thai kicks ect, and a karate student has a tool box with karate punches kicks ect, one "tool" may be stronger/better/ more efficant then another, but the skill of the fighter to use his tools matters too. some tools may be 20 times better then others the same goes fro fighters
tuman829 3 years ago
nice head kick.
Raybee 3 years ago
Nah... I've seen how Savate practitioners train its definately no where in the same as far as foot philosophy..
ijdrgaf 3 years ago
i think the muay thai guy is way handicapped
i mean elbows and knees are the strongest bones in human body and a deadly weapon in muay thai
bvbs 3 years ago 7
ROFL he thinks hes gna get back into the fight but it is decidedly not going to be so... wham! kick to the face
DoctorMichigan 3 years ago
Giordani is a JKD concepts stylist, he's from the Inosanto Academy so he would know of Muay Thai. he doesn't represent Savate by itself.
MikeUntstinks 3 years ago
This is straight up kick boxing. But you're right, he is not allowed savate boots. He would've fought differently if he was allowed them. Maybe a leg knock out.
He also plays guitar so he is also representing guitar players.
moonmoomin 3 years ago 2
ke cazzata!!!! quello ke fa muay thai non ha tirato una volta un colpo di ginocchia o di gomito vuol dire ke ha combattuto al 50% delle sue possibilità!!!
NikoSeven 3 years ago
i agree with his guy right here for sure i know if only we went 50% right
workmagic614 3 years ago
savate and muay thai are really similar when you leave out elbows...but what part of the foot do savateurs strike with?
ilikeaeroplanejelly 3 years ago
It's not so similar if you practice Savate. I can see many differences. Mainly the MT lacks movement.
Savateurs have shoes and usually kick with the shoe's bottom or then with toes(it's a reinforced shoe). There is more distance and the kicks are totally different.
moonmoomin 3 years ago
idiot he provocated a kick in his face but he didn't pay attention at his face!so he got knock out
thebiggeflippa 3 years ago
There is another video where a savateur beats none other than Dekker.
watch?v=ShAAxFmOTQ4
Ernesto Hoost was smart and combined MT, Savate and Kickboxing. Too bad you can't use hard shoes...
moonmoomin 3 years ago
krav maga is better then savate and muay thai but muay thai and savate are good figths too
sg1ih 3 years ago
no it's not
tuzwol 3 years ago
Let's hear it for The Inosanto Academy! But what the heck is that music in the background? Is this a fight ring or Agrabah? Bring out the belly dancers for godsake.
MoodyGroove 3 years ago
Actually, Tony Jaa uses Muay Boran in the movies, not Muay Thai. Muay Thai is not a superior fighting style.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
It's originally a French kickboxing martial art developed in the early 1800s but now it's mostly a sport. People now try to claim that it was derived from Muay Thai Sport but they're idiots. Muay Thai wasn't designed until the 1900s after people were tired that too many people were dying in the Muay Boran martial art competitions. They designed it, excluding so many of the techniques and movements of Muay Boran, that there's nothing left but its striking skills(punches, kicks, etc, except the-
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
savate had been develope way before the 1800. Savate comes from southern france and is also used in northern spain by the catalans and the basques. Savate orginally came from southern france by the mederterrianian coast in a town called nice which is not far from marsaille and the italian border. IT was said that savate might have been in develope for centuries. southern france was always a violent place since greek colonization to the modern period b cuz of gangs was savate was developed.
Bronxguyanese 3 years ago
Have to feel bad for the Muay Thai fellow. When you train using elbows and knees for as long they do and then you fight in a match where those moves are restricted. Well, it sort of bugs you. D:
dannydog3067 3 years ago 8
Same goes to the savateur. He didn't have his shoes on.
There is also savate with headbuts, elbows, knees, but what you see is a sport. The other savate is just dirty street fighting.
moonmoomin 3 years ago
you make a good point,that would be a vicious encounter if headbutts,elbows and knees were allowed
tuzwol 3 years ago 2
wow ... restrictions aside for both arts ... any practioner should have their block up for a round house
urbansaili 3 years ago 3
Bien sur que la boxe fr est plus puissante est performante que le muay thai faut arété de se branlé sur la boxe thai seriieux par contre c vré la boxe fr est beaucoup plus lente.
0909099909099 3 years ago
Imagine if the Muay Thai fighter was allowed elbows, at least 4 second clinches, and knees. And to the person below, Savate DOES NOT have elbows, knees, headbutts, or wrestling. Your watching too much Human Weapon. Of course there is streetfighting, but in SF'ing you can use any tactics anyways, so its not unique to savate. Savate is a ringsport now, only foot kicks and punches allowed. Similar to the way Muay Boran used to be ultra brutal but its not allowed in the ring now unless demonstration
Vigid 3 years ago 2
muay thai has no wrestling/grappling
tuman829 3 years ago
It doesn't take long to teach elbows and knees. I teach them to white belts all the time and by the time class ends they can at least throw them hard. Teaching an experienced savateur to use them would be pretty easy.
rondolce 3 years ago
But Muay Boran has grappling :P
FightingSiamFish 3 years ago
Wow, the primary martial art I use and love is getting gratitude. Awesomeness.
MuayBoranWarrior 3 years ago
Well, you are misinformed. There is streetfighting/self defence savate. Always has been and still is. Just google it.
moonmoomin 3 years ago
Imagine if he had had the reinforced shoes on they use in Savate.
jounidou 3 years ago
Savate Won?
ZetsuVenusFlytrapGuy 3 years ago
que clase de KO. pobre tipo no supo ni lo que le paso. No conozco ese tipo de combate SAVATE de donde es y en que consiste alguien me puede informar?
calocalel 3 years ago
el savate es frances y se basa en golpear y retirarte , buen uso de las piernas tanto juego como patadas
KingWorza 3 years ago
Muay Thai fighter wasn't as good as savate. But MT rulezz!
thymarksman 3 years ago 2
And Muay Thai is relatively close range? That's rubbish. It's more about distance.
The bigger the distance, more speed, more power.
You see a lot of clinching sometimes, but that's usually because the fighters are tired..
Muay Thai is usually more ranged than that of others mate.
You aren't changing the entire style of Muay Thai. It's been changed heaps before anyway.
dreadmort01 3 years ago
Muay Thai is a multi-range martial art, that's why it incorporates elbows and knees. Muay Thai fighters don't clinch because they are tired; the clinch is an essential Muay Thai technique. The idea is to force your opponent's head down into knee-strike range.
Thaisamurai 3 years ago
Muay thai does not have as long range as Savate. Savate has longer reach because of shoes.
And that is a fact.
moonmoomin 3 years ago 2
come on, if one guy can wear shoes and use shoes as weapon, another guy can also wear shoes and use shoes to weapon too.
hungryhamsters 3 years ago
No one is wearing shoes.
moonmoomin 3 years ago
You can do effective Muay Thai without knees. Not too hard.
Elbows? Most fights now don't even ALLOW you to use elbows. Mainly because it doesn't demonstrate too much skill. You can change an entire outcome too easily with them. And that they are too dangerous. That's why a lot of Muay Thai fights now don't allow them.
dreadmort01 3 years ago
Muay Thai fights where? Try watching Muay Thai matchs from Thailand, they're full of elbows. Thais believe that disallowing elbows takes away from the art of Muay Thai. Therefore, many Thais don't consider restricted-rules fights to be 'real' Muay Thai. And trust me, using elbows effectively does take skill. I should know; I've been on the receiving end of one.
Thaisamurai 3 years ago 2
You can't do effective Muay Thai without elbows and knees. It's like trying to saw off the hands of a regular American boxer. Savate is a long-range style, and Muay Thai is relatively close range. Take away elbows/knees and you're changing the entire style of Muay Thai, throwing the fighter off, while the Savate fighter has no such problem. No shoes? BIG DEAL! He still has his FEET!
vinacross 3 years ago 3
That's rubbish, I've a crapload of Muay Thai lately (and I'm lovin it) and they hardly ever use their elbows and knees, its mainly kicks and punches, with knees in the clinches and elbows in real tight clinches. This fight had one clinch so he hardly missed out on many knees or elbows.
I honestly think if Elbows and Knees were allowed the outcome would have been pretty much the smae, with the possiblity of a blood stoppage which is just soft anyways.
GambleD13 3 years ago