Long Path to the Altar for Gay Couples in Calif.

[xXYaoiKittyXx]

Stop this crap saying: OH HEY SINCE YOU GAY GO FUCK SOME ANIMALS TOO bullshit! People, no matter what gender, should be allowed to marry to whatever gender! It makes no damn sense for you to say to go fuck animals since your gay now. No sense at all. Makes you jerks look like a retarded scumbag with no lovelife at all.

[ezmereldagreen]

guys there is no god....certainly not a god who wold create something only to say its wrong....gay people have a right to a life like anyone else and those who object can just think a little about how they'd like things if THEY had been born gay....catch up with the rest of the west...

[Dubster80]

I now pronounce you man and fag...

[jaydeybugz]

...continued. and sonnets were SHAKESPERIAN. and they were also very religious times

which proves that the 'true' bible (the thing you would all be reading if it hadnt been changed by various controlling leaders) actually wouldnt have anything against homosexuals.

Victorian laws made homosexuality illegal...and then because they were religious times...queen victoria changed the bible to fit the law so people would follow.

[wulf2001]

actually the old testament has been rewritten in perfect order by the jews, line for line word for word each word below the next perfectly for millenias. And even there it says its WRONG. Now I dont care where u want to shove ur meat stick all I would like to see is marriage dissolved by government and for them to call it something else so everyone gets their rights without forcing priests to sin. I get "married" by my priest then go to city hall and register that I am "joined" to my wife

[jaydeybugz]

i hope you all realise that the bible has been changed numerous of times by kings and queens to suit the laws of the land at that particular time. homosexuality wasnt thought of to be bad until Victorian times which proves that the 'true' bible never thought of homosexuality to even be possible or bad.. Queen Elizabeth didnt think it was possible for two women to have sex, therefore lesbianism was not thought of to even be possible. A sonnet is a love poem from a man to a young boy.

[DontTouchEmily]

Okay, If you believe that being gay is a sin, and that it is true that only God can truely punish these people for their sins, Then you are a filthy hypocrite. You should see that by going out and voting AGAINST these people, you are technically punishing them. And by doing so, you are sinning. It says in the bible that you are not supposed to view anyone higher than God. By thinking that you have the power to punish these people, you are therefore going against Gods word.

[wulf2001]

It clearly states in the bible both old and new testament that homosexuality is not to be tolerated and those who participate in it will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

If you wish to look at it another way. A man finds such great pleasure in killing others and many decide to cast a bill allowing men to kill freely. I go to vote AGAINST it thus in your words "punishing" these killers/sinners for not allowing them to indulge in their pleasure of murder. Am I a sinner for voting against it?

[yttihp11]

@wulf2001 yer it says a hell of a lot of things in the bible, especially before it was re written that are completely normal now, the bible was written god didnt write the bible men did. im not gunna argue because i know its you beleifs and i wont change that but please just try to accept us. after all if god hated gays that much i dout we would be here. and gays are still humans not animals.

[wulf2001]

God doesn't hate anyone. Most have control over their lives and what they do with it. Just as easily as a man can become accustomed to only being erect for a certain fetish (leather, foot, etc) they can do so for a certain sex. For men sex is mainly mental, feel free to discuss it with your doctor. I believe this will be proven over the decades as we will see a rise in homosexuality caused by acceptance of it therefor causing more men to accustom themselves to bisexual and homosexual tendencies.

[JOSEPHsewr326]

_YOURFREEGAYWEBSITE...C0M_ wow this shit sucks!

[Emma2154751bf]

_YOURFREEGAYWEBSITE.C0M_ que quieres decir con eso??

[farsticky]

Proverbs 16:25

[pittsglo]

Kats9livesfive,

i'm 100% heterosexual and here's a quote for you. "It's the height of arrogance and control to create God in your own image and likeness."

[RoseEEOE]

Get over yourself. Even the catholic church has blessed gay unions from time to time, and even plenty of your bible characters were quite fond of their multiple wives.

Being a different gender isnt immoral.

[wulf2001]

have multiple wives was abolished in the new testament... hey maybe u can pray that when the next law is passed you will be able to indulge is as much homosexuality as you want... hey while your at it why not ask if u can screw ur pets too... maybe some fish?

Seems like nowadays so long as no body is hurt no body cares, hey... sometimes even when they are hurt we still don't care so long as they're getting paid right?

ridiculous...

[ezmereldagreen]

@wulf2001 i hope that 1 year on you have learned to be a nicer person with real empathy for others.....no one should be bothered about what consenting adults do or how they live...i hope you are no longer a sad relic of olden times.

[mickiyelly1960]

Lets thank God that sanity has been restored in California and marriage is only between a man and a woman. Praise God!

[RizMil]

With Religious establishments preaching politics from their pulpit, sending money from out of state and the CONSTITUTION has separation of church and state written within. MANY of those churches will NOW lose their tax exempt status - the one thing they FEARED if Prop 8 didn't pass. This may be nullifed so continue to laugh that off.

[wulf2001]

has any ever though about the rights of the Christians? Forcing a man to marry a couple when it clearly goes against his beliefs. Go have all the rights you want just stop trying to force good people to do evil things. I read about a priest in Canada whom they took to court because he refused to marry a gay couple after they legalized it in the area... they want to FORCE him to go against his religious practices. Why cant u you get married at city hall and leave the church out of it.

[35ams]

Those people are insane!Its better if they allow gay and lesbian marriage that would be better.I already see one they are happy together.

[noelrosalesfromla]

hi my name is noel rosales from montebello ,california ,I am so against in same sex marriage coz for me all gay and Faggots are all devil and will all go to hell ,323-600-4916.......God its so sick people are getting so crazy ,,,

[thursdaysrecords]

Has anyone else noticed how the messages from anti-gay crusaders are always negative, often disgustng and sick, and never in any way uplifting or cheerful?

What pathetic, and hate-obsessed band of thugs has kidnapped God, where are they keeping Him captive, and by what authority are they using His credit cards?

What part of the word EQUALITY do these faith-based hate warriors dislike so much? What part of "Live and Let Live" offends them so? Please tell me God did NOT send these monsters?

[mickiyelly1960]

Homosexuals shouldn't get too comfortable because Californians will vote to amend the state's constitution making one man, one woman permanant. Order and common sense will be restored.

[juanbot]

Should restoring "order and common sense" mean that we should write discrimination into the state constitution? If two people want the responsibility and commitment of marriage, is it the business of government to tell them they can't marry, whether they are gay or straight? By the way, it's spelled "permanent", I would I assume someone born in 1960 would have the minimal intelligence to spell such a common word.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Finally the bible thumpers are silenced. All they kept promoting was thier bigotry and hate. Finally gays can be married and enjoy life openly and not in the shadows as those before them. The world will not fall apart, nor will the heavens drop down upon us. Demons will not inhabit this earth, as long as we exclude politicians and religious fanatics. This is a new era, one that should be embraced by all especially those that believe in god, nuff said!

[PistabachiCalifornia]

Echo, you need to take it easy on the religious folks. I think what GospelPete is trying to say is that his bible reflects his opinion. Just because you accept gays, does not mean that they have to. They are limited on what they can and cannot accept. Until the pope no longer frowns on gays, the religious groups will never back them. But have faith, the pope has made things more acceptable, such as divorce and usury. They will come around, it just might take decades or centuries!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Well Pistabachicalifornia, It just irks me to no end when religion is used to justify hate and bigotry. Be a man and say what you really want to say, that these religious folks just hate gays, and probably jews and blacks and anyone that does not conform to thier ideals! I do not think that they will come around. They have not responded lately, because they know that god will never answer the questions posed to him, simply because he does not exist. End of story!

[GospelPete]

Nothing in that story describes intercourse between two men, nor does it in any way condone the sin of homosexuality...

You are committing blasphemy in order to justify a selfish motive....

Shame on you...

Do you also think it should be acceptable and legal for two blood brothers or sisters who are consenting adults to marry and have sexual intercourse if they are in love?

How about a grandmother and a granddaughter?

If not, why?

God weeps at the depravity on modern man...

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Well then! who did cain have sex with when he was banished from eden if adam and eve were the only couple on earth? And where did those other people pop up from that cain ran into after he was banished and then married and had children with? If adam & eve & Cain were the only people on earth, are those other people more children from adam & eve, and would it not stand to reason that they would be brothers and sisters, and would have had sex to create more people? Is that not incest?

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

P.S. I am still waiting for god to answer our question about gays! Still nothing on my end, how about yours?

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Like you know what god is doing! Hell he can't even answer a simple question. As for the blasphemy part, blasphemy can only be used on those that believe in the holy trinity and the condemnation of being banished from heaven. Luckily for me, I am an atheist and are not constrained by your rules. If you just admit that you hate gays and what they do I can deal with that. If the bible said it was ok to be gay would you then give them your blessing? Probably not, Thy name is bigot

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Samuel 18:3-4 "And Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to David, along with his tunic, and even his sword, his bow and his belt." So that means he was naked! I am sure that is as strange then as it is now!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Samuel 20:41 "After the boy had gone, David got up from the south side of the stone and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together - but David wept the most."

[PistabachiCalifornia]

Wow! there is a verse in the bible where guys admit to having sex! where did that com from?

[GospelPete]

"King James Bible (1611): "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."

Where is the sexual reference in that passage?

Can love exclude sex, or is intercourse the only way to express friendship in the unsaved world?

[GospelPete]

How sad to spend your life so caught up in compromise, rationalization and justification...

Listen to yourself babbling..

Do you even know how foolish and misguided you sound?

I am a Christian who has read the Bible several times and studied it in depth...

I fully understand the context and purpose for every book and passage contained therein..

I will pray for your spiritual healing my friend...

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

I could say the same for you! at least I have my own thoughts and ideas. You feel that you are superior to any one else because you have read the bible several times. If you have to read it that many times, either you do not understand it or your comprehension level is in question. If I were to present to you actual bible passages that contradict what you say that the bible says about gays, would you even concede and take that as gospel, or disagree,I think I already know the answer to that one!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

King James Bible (1611): "I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women."

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

I tell you what pete, Why don't you ask God to clear this gay question up once and for all. No interpretations from you or I, just a straight answer from the big guy himself! Your squinching now, because deep down you know that no supreme being will answer that question. You can make excuses and you can recite any part of the bible you want, but your inner self knows that no answer will come. I am not against the bible, I am against people using it as an excuse to hate and suppress others.

[GospelPete]

"He hated no man or woman, but He hated their sin" What a contradictory statement"

Clearly you don't understand the nature of God and continue to explain and reason His character based on your own human nature...

God is a holy spirit..Sin is like a poison to God and it's very mention degrades what He represents...

Truth

[skanicum]

Hey, I feel that this is the begining of the collapse of the country. Just like Rome and Greece, the rise of homosexuality heralded the end of their civilizations also.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Where the hell did you get that information from? Here you go twisting the truth again. Well did it ever occur to you that Jesus was gay? He hung around men all of the time, was a great dresser (For his time), was understanding,never fussed over women, and loved Judy Garland and Cher (Well ok, maybe not the last thing). Either way the indications were there!

[skanicum]

The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable but the mouth of the wicked what is perverse.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Proverbs 10:32 "The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable. But the mouth of the wicked speaketh perverseness." At least if you are going to cite the bible, try and cite it verbatim (It means word for word in case you did not know). I may as well be speaking to a white supremecist, or maybe you are, I don't know? Again, this is not black and white! what you or someone else thinks is perverse can be two differant things. Maybe you have a shoe fetish, is that perverse? Use your head!

[GospelPete]

"WHAT YOU ARE SAYING is that as long as they supress their homosexual deviant behaviour and present themselves to you as normal heterosexual christian folk, life will be good!"

Would you tell a murderer to suppress their behavior for their own good and for the good of society in general?

All deviant behavior should be suppressed and denied...

Life becomes good when it is lived according to God's will and natural order...

Truth

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

But who decides what is deviant or not? People like you? What happens if you feel that blacks should still be slaves? Or that jews are sub citizens cause you feel that they killed Jesus? Murder is an action where another life is taken, having sex with a consenting adult is basicly non of your business. So what those Mormons are doing to underage girls is ok, by you cause they are following the word of god? And you are worried about same sex marriage? What is skewed here is your view of reality!

[GospelPete]

"I truly wish that there was no bible or other book that people use to justify why they hate certain people."

I believe in the teaching of Jesus Christ

He hated no man or woman, but He hated their sin because He understood that it was in direct conflict with the holy nature of God & it cut off their relationship with God & damned them to hell...

Jesus taught to confess your sin, repent & ask God to renew and cleanse the soul

Anyone who refuses to do this invites God's judgment..

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

"He hated no man or woman, but He hated their sin" What a contradictory statement!Whatever happened to unconditional love?If god and Jesus require us to love them unconditionaly,yet set conditions for thier love,what kind of relationship is that? Either you have read the bible to suit your needs, or you really screwed up and missed a passage or two. I guess if you found out your son or daughter were gay, you would tell them "I love you, but, I disown you cause your gay" Yeah! Good religion!

[skanicum]

Keep up the good work.

[GospelPete]

It's a shame that you feel the need to take the scriptures out of context in order to justify the vile and perverse sin of homosexuality...

All sexual immorality is wrong, not just homosexuality..

I am not picking and choosing...

Jesus came with a new covenant for all mankind and this is reflected in the New Testament..

Try reading it sometime if you truly care to understand what is required of us as Christians...

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Take the scriptures out of context?Religious zealots have been doing it for centuries!I truly wish that there was no bible or other book that people use to justify why they hate certain people. Look,good people are good people. Why can't you just accept each individual on thier own merits without entering into thier sexual life.Hell, there may be some freaky sexual shit that you do, but at least its approved by god! If you hate gays for personal reasons and not biblical,just come out and say it!

[GospelPete]

"If there was a passage in the bible that said you should love and respect gays, would you still abide by that, or would you still find a reason to hate them?"

There are many scriptures that talk about loving all mankind as well as forgiving those who have done wrong.....

It is only your opinion that I hate homosexuals based on the fact that I preach the truth of God's word..

It's a shame that you and so many like you can only see in black and white.

Love has many colors..

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

It is a shame my friend that you feel you have to disassociate homosexuals because "the lord tells me so" mentality. You claim to follow the bible, if that is so, then when was the last time you were at a good stoning to punish evil doers? Maybe beating or killing your wife for adultery is more to your liking! Don't be too pious about preaching gods word when you pick and choose what reflects your true feelings. Gays have done nothing wrong and do not need your pity or your prayers to save them.

[GospelPete]

"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

Patrick Henry - [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

[GospelPete]

Alexander Hamilton:

• Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:

(1) Christianity

(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.

"The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States."

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Where was god when Aaron Burr took Hamiltons life? Out of town? Taking a nap? Watching re-runs of the revolutionary war? You are just repeating Alexanders opinion which have no bearing here. I wish more people would subscribe to John Lennons concept of "Imagine no religion" Christianity and other religions are so judgemental. If there was a passage in the bible that said you should love and respect gays, would you still abide by that, or would you still find a reason to hate them?

[GospelPete]

"Faith for some christians is only beleiving one thing,anything else is inmaterial and just not right.And what christian heritage are you talking about?"

"In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered... do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?"

Benjamin Franklin - [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

[GospelPete]

IQ vs MQ (Moral Quotient)....

Christians win big in both departments, because these go hand in hand..

Bigotry?

Those who trample upon and mock the sacredness of our Christian heritage are the most vile and hateful bigots in America..

Truth

[Clemburke1111]

Gospel, actually Christians have a lower "moral IQ " Than Atheist, in a study done by a PHD Christian Evagelist named George Barna, out to prove Christians Morality, was shocked to find that Christians PerCapita had Higher Divorce rates and Higher Incarceration rates than Atheist.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Marriage is a contract between two people and not a slap in the face of christianity. Faith for some christians is only beleiving one thing,anything else is inmaterial and just not right.And what christian heritage are you talking about?The killing,raping and stepping on anyone who does not agree with your dogma in the name of god!Get off of your high horse and just try to be a good human being. I am tired of this holier then thou crap that others keep trying to peddle and shove down our throats

[BigBearHK1234]

Too many human beings are raping God's mouth: God says this & that are sins. Thou shall not eat apple pie. Keep dieting & sin no more.

What are the true agenda they uphold in the name of Christianity?

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

It seems that all this anti gay sentiment come from religous know nothings who can only spout what is in a manual written for those that can't make up thier own minds. They probably even had gay relatives that they did not know about and hugged and kissed them without a second thought. These same people would change thier mind about that relative if they ever found out, and the only thing that would have been different would have been knowledge. Yep, the IQ seems to drop with bogotry!

[skanicum]

Is "bogotry" when you suck another mans penis and let him ejaculate in your mouth or anus? I am a little fuzzy on these new sex terms.

[PistabachiCalifornia]

I think you know what he meant, but just in case "Bigotry" was the actual word. You are pretty graphic in your description, maybe you need to come out of the closet. What someones sexual orientation is really does not matter and is no ones business. After all, you never hear anyone say "You know Bob, he's a maschist" but when it is people of the same sex, OH MY GOD! the sky is falling!!! Gays have been here in the past and will remain here in the future. Just deal with them as another couple.

[skanicum]

I read fishingthewatersheds points on sexual deviancy, beastiality, pedophilia, necrophilia, and public masturbation. Do these matter? Do you support them? Read his posts and tell me what you think.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Lets take this one by one. Sexual deviancy,the statement on its own is subjective. Sexual preferences that deviates from what may be considered normal. Do you think that Gays consider what they do is wrong? No they don't,neither do the preists who molest boys, nor the person who is a necrophile. The deviancy comes into question when different groups of people have different ideas on what is normal. So I guess as long as you hang out with you own group,you can never be a sexual deviant!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Beastiality-The word itself conjours up images of a TJ donkey show & Catherine the great. Is it wrong?To me it is, but to someone else it may be seventh heaven. It depends on how you look at it. I personally do not agree with it since an animal cannot give its consent, but since it is an animal, it probably does not give a shit as long as there is an apple/carrot or whatever treat pleases the animal. I do not think that it dwells on the fact that the guy did not give it a kiss when he was done!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Pedophelia - wasn't that an album by the Who? I do not agree with this either, since children should not be subjected to this type of treatment. But as was stated by your idol fishingthewatersheds, this too was acceptable at one time (Greece), which brings us back to sexual deviancy, maybe they thought that anyone who did not have sex with a child was not normal and could be labeled as a sexual deviant. However, I again state that I am totally against this type of sexual preference or practice.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Necrophelia - For when your friends want to stop by for a cold one! Look, when I am dead they can do what they want with my body! Guess what, I won't know a thing and neither will you! Unless you believe in ghosts, but that is a whole nother post!! I even told my wife to not spend too much money on me when I am gone. Hell, she could just leave my body in the woods and let the critters have their way with me. Naw, the only ones that get pissed off by this are the living!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Public Masturbation - This is for someone who has too much time on thier hands! Jerking off is one thing, but in the public? I would no more want to see a guy jack off in public as I would someone taking a dump on a park bench. But would you be as upset if it were a women? Nah,You'd probably sit down somwhere and scope her out,then you would be the one arrested for pounding the rod of god. There are two types of people, those that admit to masturbating, and those that lie about it!Need a napkin?

[skanicum]

Was I too graphic? Didn't I tell the truth? Murderers and thieves have been here in the past also, I guess by your reasoning we will ignore what is wrong against nature and deal with them as people too, after all there is evidence that they are born that way. "Researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison announced they had found a direct link between genes and behavior." Since you are born that way it must be ok!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

So in esscence, what you are saying is that as long as they supress their homosexual deviant behaviour and present themselves to you as normal heterosexual christian folk, life will be good! As for murderers and thieves, we are all capable of both. It just depends who will go that step further to kill another or what drives someone to steal from another. You cannot compare homosexuality with thieves and murderers, you are just trying to taint the original question here. Typical bigot tactic!

[skanicum]

So, you can admit that homosexuality is deviant behavior, good, there is hope for you yet.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Maybe you did not read that sentence correctly, here let me help you! "So in esscence, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING is that as long as they supress their homosexual deviant behaviour and present themselves to you as normal heterosexual christian folk, life will be good!" There is that "what you are saying" part that is not admiting my opinion, but, clarifying your belief of gays. No wonder there is so much confusion with the bible! People like you twist it to suit thier agenda and needs. Pretty Pathetic!

[skanicum]

Maybe you are not reading your own sentence correctly, let me help YOU, What YOU said is "as long as they suppress their homosexual deviant behavior". Yes, I agree with you, it is deviant. Keep up the good work.

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Now I understand why there is so much confusion with the bible! you guys can't even read a sentance correctly! Yeah lets talk deviant behaviour with adam & eve. Cain had to screw his sisters in order to promelgate the species! But I guess thats ok! after all there is a reason they call it the bible belt. They could have never held the OJ trials in any of the bible belt states, Because all the DNA is the same. What part of "what you are saying" is so difficult for you to understand, dillitant

[GospelPete]

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[fishingthewatershed]

Just like your buddy, you can't answer the questions eh?

[antidime1]

i hate gay people

[mbvtx77]

keep waging your war you rainbow warriors. just because the illegal alien supporting state of california says it's alright for gays to marry still doesn't make it right to me or the majority of the rest of the world.

[futureMrsJonas22]

♂ + ♂ = ♥

♀ + ♀ = ♥

♀ + ♂ = ♥

[geojoey]

Can't put a hole inside another, can't cover a peg with a peg. Wow! Science!

[ChaseCCB]

well if you're doing it that way, you're doing it wrong, what do you want me to tell ya? The parts DO fit, get a clue!

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

Yeah ask any priest, and he'll tell you how he overcame (No pun intended, ok maybe a little)your science with a choir boy! As for the sodomite thing! it looks like God did not do a good job! Cause the last I checked, the gays are still here! Get over the marriage thing already! let the gays be just as miserable as the rest of us in wedlock!

[geojoey]

I would like to marry my brother's 10-year old sister. We love each other and believe that love is all we need. We should be extended the same rights as everyone alse.

[Arakno123]

yay!!! this is FaB-Yoooo-Lusss!!!! :D

[hunterdonhillbilly]

YUCK

[EchosFromaBlankMind]

I hate to break the news to some of you, the world will not end if gays are allowed to marry. Religion is not even a consideration in this matter, it is a bond between two people who love each other. Just let this one go, you know deep down in your heart that this is the right way to go!

[geojoey]

Echoes, it's a historical fact that the world did indeed end for hundreds of thousands of people who willfully continued in their blatant disregard for the laws of nature and of nature's God.

What is the lifespan of the average sodomite?

[stardeer]

People who say stuff like that are ignorant. Listen people they can't help that their gay, and even if they can so what. They are people just like everyone, and deserve the same rights. If god controls everything then he controls if people are gay. He/she is one sick being if it is going to sentence people to an eternity of pain for something he/she caused. Ya know Jesus preached about tolerance. Yet I'm an atheist and have a MILLION times more tolerance than most Christians I've met.

[geojoey]

stardeer, I am amazed at how "tolerant" people believe themselves to be. Virtually all of us are completely intolerant of everyone but ourselves. Think a little more deeply and you'll see this, I'm sure.

Yes, Jesus did preach about tolerance. He told me that I have absolutely no hope outside of my trust in his payment for my sins. He told me that most people will take take the road which is easiest, and that this is the road to destruction. Sodomites are sinners, just like you and me.

[keith19633]

these people need help! this is sooo wrong!

[geargemartin]

i now pronounce you top and bottom.

[CHARESTHEHAMER]

Well this is just fagtastic

[TheEditorialist]

The divorce industry is behind you 100%

Get married!

Please, we need your money.

[thomasrealdance]

still not making enough from the billions of straight couples divorcing? what a poor profession indeed...

[ThePrimeSpotcom]

Congrats to ALL!

Just saw you on TV.

You were waiting for the "M" word!

[JoeyBoya]

The world is BEHIND YOU.. I cant wait till Florida Has full equality for gay and lesbians

[CourtingEquality]

Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon,

Congratulations on your marriage--again. Massachusetts salutes you!

[colster4life]

I wish Pennsylvania was the first to allow this, but it probably will be one of the last, lol!

[Evethemagnificent]

Officially declare you husband and husband / wife and wife ... strange

[thomasrealdance]

maybe not that strange after all, not if you understand those who sign up for getting married - I'd say don't worry sometimes it takes a bit of time to get used to customs, but I have good hopes that it's possible ;-)

[fishingthewatershed]

Check out NAMBLA on google, they are a powerful lobby in Washington.

[gideonse]

That was a joke, right? NAMBLA is NOT powerful. It's an organization of pariahs.

[fishingthewatershed]

Really? What makes them pariahs? And from what I have studied they do have considerable influence.

[gideonse]

What have you been studying? Anti-gay propaganda? NAMBLA has less political power in DC as the KKK -- nil. Every real gay rights organization avoids any contact with them. They are pedophiles. Good grief -- do any of you homophobes ever do ANY research?

[fishingthewatershed]

So you don't like them because of their sexual orientation? Hmmmmmm, whats the word I am looking for.....? Oh yes, hypocrite.

[gideonse]

Yes, I whole-heartedly don't like pedophiles. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, however. Insisting that it is just further proves that you are the model of an ignorant, uneducated homophobe. Thanks for the help -- the more people like you bleat such nonsense, the better the rest of us look. It's AWESOME.

[fishingthewatershed]

So pedophiles aren't born that way? Do they make a conscious choice to be that way? What is the definition of "sexual orientation"? Is it alright for a man to masturbate while secretly watching children without ever going further? What he does in his own time is his business right? I do have to disagree with you about pedophilia not being an orientation though. Why is being attracted to one thing different than being attracted to another? Please back up your claim with facts, not conjecture.

[gideonse]

No, pedophiles are not born "that way." Go to WebMD, search for "pedophile." Go to the American Psychological Association's site, and search for "sexual orientation." Please, do some research. Stop trying to have an existential debate in a YouTube comment thread? I mean, come on.

[fishingthewatershed]

Sorry, but the way I interpret this article is that homosexuals are satisfied with their life style and pedophiles are not because they are not socially acceptable. I can site psychcologists that state that homosexuality is a mental disorder, does that make it so? How about other perversions? beastiality, necrophilia, fetishes, why is homosexuality the only one that you are born with? It seems to me that this opens the door for all the other perversions to eventually become mainstream.

[fishingthewatershed]

Fred Berlin, founder of the Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic and a professor of psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, declares: "Some research suggests that some genetic and hormonal abnormalities may play a role [in pedophilia]....We now recognize that it's not just a moral issue, and that nobody chooses to be sexually attracted to young people." Boy, this must really frost your stretched out pooper.

[fishingthewatershed]

You have clumsily skirted my question "Is it allright for a man to masturbate while secretly watching children without ever going further? Sexual attraction is sexual attraction. Are you really going to try to deny this?

I am gideonse, I am sexually attracted to:

A: Children

B: Animals

C: Dead people

D: Mens anuses

They all look perverted to me.

Definition of Perverted: Having an intended meaning or use altered.

The penis goes in the vagina. Not what you poop out of. You have my pity.

[gideonse]

I was really hoping for your pity. Suddenly I feel so much better. All of the gays and lesbians are so much better off that crass, simple bigots like you have pity for us and our glorious, loving relationships.

[fishingthewatershed]

You still haven't answered the question! Since we have now determined that a pedophile IS "born that way" does that make their behavior acceptable? Answer the masturbation question. Isn't this paving the way for every type of perversion you can imagine to be accepted. The man in Enumclaw Wa. that was killed by the stud (male horse) had a "glorious, loving relationship with the horse until it killed him. Why is beastiality unlawful if the act was consentual? The horse obviously enjoyed it!

[gideonse]

It's consent, you ninny. Animals, children, and the dead cannot provide consent -- ever. Animals cannot talk. Children legally are unable to provide consent. The dead. Well, duh. Therefore, if an adult human has sex with any of them, it is immoral. Adult homosexuals consent to have sex with each other; therefore it not immoral. You have no argument at all.

[fishingthewatershed]

How do you force a stallion to have sex with you? It must want to, and if you allow it to you have it's consent. What if a necrophiliac states in his will that when he dies he wants his fellow perverts to have a "glorious and loving" relationship with his dead body? What if child molestation was allowed by law like in ancient Greece? That is what direction America is heading in. And gay marriage is opening the door. Don't make me accept your disgusting behavior. You know it is sickening.

[gideonse]

You're so paranoid. You have my pity.

[fishingthewatershed]

You are very adept at skirting questions aren't you? Answer them. Don't call names, just answer the questions. Maybe you can't? If Society has to accept this perverted behavior then why won't we eventually be forced to accept every type of depravity under the sun in the name of a "free" society? IF I accept gay marriage, will you accept man/child sex? Just because it is allowed by law (ancient Greece) does that make it right? The pendulum will only swing so far, soon this will be moot.

[gideonse]

Well, by "skirt" you mean "irgnore," well, yep, I'm doing a pretty good job. The questions are silly, and no matter what I answer, you will respond to me with "pervert!" So, really, what's the point? You have no interest in actually learning anything, only in cherry-picking information that suits your pathetic argument. Face it: You've lost. Gay marriage is here. Gay rights are here. And there's nothing you'll ever be able to do to stop them.

[fishingthewatershed]

No, the reason that you don't answer my questions is that if you did you would have to admit to yourself that your sexual deviancy is no different than a man who has oral or anal sex with an animal. And yes, you are a pervert. I hope the time never comes when you have to explain the 'birds and the bees" to a child you may adopt. "Well son, bend over and daddy will show you what I do to your other daddy". Would you freely explain where you put your penis to this child? Probably, and enjoy it too.

[ChaseCCB]

HOW DARE YOU! Look who is being the PIRVIRT now! Str8 parents don't fuck their kids to tell them what sex it, they EXPLAIN it. You are one sick fucker. I hope you never have kids because they will grow up to be as sick minded and rude as you. And if you do ever have kids I hope they turn out to be gay so that you realize what an asshole you are. Karma's a bitch motha fucka! Turns out my friend who's parents are complete homophobes like you is a lesbien. So SUCK ON THAT BYTCH!

[fishingthewatershed]

Read all of my comments and then show me where I am wrong. (By the way, it is spelled "pervert"). While you are doing a spell check on your next tirade, do a definition search for the word pervert, you will probably find your picture there.

[ChaseCCB]

yeah so what if Im a horrable speller, who really gives a fuck? Besides, you are an intollerable biggot with no brains. You are a discrase to humanity. People like you should be shiped off to your own little island so you can be rude and stupid with each other. You are a pathetic looser with no sence of morality. I don't need some old man who is over the hill telling me what is right and wrong. Get with the ages, or at least just shut the fuck up! People like you is why there is hate on Earth.

[fishingthewatershed]

i think it's almost time to weed the garden.

[gideonse]

I agree. We need to pull up people like you and ship them back to the Dark Ages. You'd like they're morality much more -- everyone that does something you don't like, kill 'em.

[gideonse]

To the rest of world, not the bigot for whom "sorry" is not known, I apologize for the typos. I haven't had any coffee yet.

[stardeer]

So true. Thank you this is what people need to hear.

[kakaokaka]

ACLU will take care of that. But little by little: If homosexuality is not a choice, zoofilia is? Who says so? Some religious nuts? Why should I not be able to marry a horse? If we love each other.. Not because marriage is just between humans? Says who?

[dafttool]

kaka: Consenting adults marry, not adults & children, and not adults & animals, and not children & children. What you are engaging in is blatant fearmongering.

[kakaokaka]

My question then is why do you want to restrict civil marriage just to adult humans and discriminate all the zoophilists (and many more adults, for example gay brothers, incest relationshps and so on)? Aren't they human beings needing love too?

Once you separate definition of marriage from procreation that you've got no arguments to support your case. Civil marriage is then nothing else than political regulating of private partnerships.

[litllenike]

we fucked up somewhere along the line and this is what we get ppl thinking is normal for their type to get married and what not and sickos out there who ... well u get my point its not right

[dafttool]

Your arguments are bullshit. Marraige is NOT for procreation. We don't yank the marraige licenses of those who can't or won't conceive. There is no slippery slope, except perhaps on your shiny brain when you get a thought you think clever and it immediately slips out of your mouth. Marraige is a civil contract 1st & foremost. It has always been used to convey property ownership rights of a family to be recognized by whatever government is in power. Incest & bestiality laws are not in jeopardy

[PiesCanFly]

Marriage for procreation... lol. I suppose you think infertiles shouldn't be allowed to marry.

[dafttool]

Pies: "Marriage for procreation... lol. I suppose you think infertiles shouldn't be allowed to marry."

Not sure what your comment is supposed to mean. I clearly said: "Marraige is NOT for procreation. We don't yank the marraige licenses of those who can't or won't conceive."

[dafttool]

Wonderful development, but long overdue. For America supposedly being the land of the free & the land of opportunity, when it comes to the civil rights of gays, America is lagging behind the rest of the world. All over Europe countries are leading the way on this issue, and of course bastians of freedom like Canada, but now even traditionally Catholic countries like Spain, Mexico & even Uruguay are learning how to put aside their religious prejudices to honor the civil rights of gay citizens.

[josephbnany]

congratulations to all who ae taking the step and getting married.

[hifrommike65]

Hetero 'special rights' are finally starting to crumble, and high time too.

[TECHKLEC]

You have a point, there, the way things are going!

[am2gd2btru]

I agree..whats going to be "OK" next..

Cause I guarantee you there is a whole group out there ready to fight for their right to do it~!

[litllenike]

honestly what the fuck happened to society this would have never happend in the 70. heres a fucked up thing my friends had to go to a surplus stor, but to get there they had to cross the GAY FUCKING VILLAGE. were 15 yrs old and a fkn flamming homosexual chased us all the way to the store he was telling us all sorts of things while he was chasing us im scared for life so if ya wanna kill some gays come to montreal