LOVE the Piaggio. Witnessed two approaches in the last year; one at Boeing Field (Seattle) and one at Bob Hope (Burbank). I'm a sucker for pusher/canards.
Very nice video, but for what it's worth, both 109 and 145 are Avanti Is, not IIs, as your titles at the end say. Otherwise, very nice shooting.
@jmister22 - if flaps down, approach at 130kts, touchdown at 120. If flaps mid, approach at 140, touchdown at 130kts. If in icing/contaminated wing, add 6kts to those numbers.
Leave it to the Italians to make a plane this beautiful and functional. 19gals an hour? Even I know that is impressive. I wonder how it handles compared to other dual turbo props.
P.S. One might have their own personal taste in which plane is "prettier", but the Starship only compares to the Avanti in that it has pusher props and the cabin noise should therefore be lower. It falls behind the Avanti in both other respects, efficiency, and cabin room.
The 3rd desired quality, fuel efficiency, resulted in 3 lifting surfaces. Most planes are built with a natural "nose heavy" condition and then the elevator (with trim) is used to push the tail down. These 2 counter-acting forces give the plane longitudinal stability so the nose doesn't bounce up and down, but this creates more drag = wasted fuel. The Avanti uses 3 lifting surfaces, one at the nose, the main wing, and the horizontal stabilizer, creating a natural longitudinal stability.
I noticed several comments referring to how there was hardly any flare at landing. There were 3 main goals when this plane was designed: 1) Cabin space for better head room and elbow room (it outdoes every other plane in its class in this respect, including straight turbine powered planes), 2) lowest possible cabin noise (hence the pusher configuration on the props to get the prop noise to the rear and moving away from the plane), and 3) fuel efficiency, hence the 3 lifting surfaces.
If I could get a gig somewhere that would help me finish my PPL, get my multi and IFR ratings.. I would happily sign a 5 year contract and work like slave admiring my ass in the right seat until the time to re-up my contract for more ratings/certifications. I absolutely adore flying. and the Piaggio just looks like a wonderful plane to fly. I have just user 20 hours for PPL, not soloed yet, but soon. I just want to fly. A lot. Then Build myself a Columbia type for personal use. No sweat.. lol :(
That landing was awesome, hardly a flair to be seen. I spotted and photographed one parked at Marco Polo, Venice. They are common there obviously as the italian airforce has 15 of the type and they are also used by the Carabinieri. If I had the money this would be the aircraft for me.
I dont think iv seen a better landing! ever! iv got over 1,000 personally and damn, i dont think iv ever had one that smooth, and i fly single engined light aircraft. well done!
Two weeks ago @ KFRG (Republic Airport), I was standing adjacent to the approach end of runway 19, inside NFI's hangar entrance when the unmistakeably-distinct sound crackled through the air. I turned around, looked up, and saw... the Avanti on short-final for one-niner.
An impressive airplane which indeed turns heads at airports everywhere! What a sound... what a sight! This aircraft is something pilots don't see flying around every day. A treat.
You don't see these vary often. One was sitting down at KMKC today and after a couple minutes, another one landed and parked next to it. Two at the same airport FBO on the same day.....
@Procionlabs I've got a pair that will just about trump it. Two Beechcraft Starships, same airport (KLVK), same day, but different times. Alas..., the first Starship waited as long as he could and departed just before the second one arrived. Search Google or YouTube for "Starship Times Two" -- pretty cool!
@Procionlabs@Procionlabs - The I consider myself very lucky. I fly a Piper Warrior out of KPIE (St. Pete, FL) often. Avantair is on the north side of the field, where they have fractional ownerships and training of pilots in the P-180's. I see these things all of the time, I often fly in the pattern with them. On approach they sound like a screeching Osprey. They are an extremely cool aircraft. I never get tired of seeing them - they are amazing. The Beech Starships are awesome too!
@Procionlabs Down at KOJC(Johnson County Exec.) there was a Avanti first time ive ever seen one at KOJC. Its been coming in and out of KOJC alot lately I dont know why thought.
I have flown the Avanti once from the right seat and ridden in the back several times.
Amazing plane - the 3 lifting surfaces (forward wing, wing, and tail) make weight & balance fairly forgiving. It's typically not flared much on landing, hence thatt seen in this vid.
Pitch and roll are pretty stable, which makes sense in a serious IFR plane. Landing it was not much harder than a Mooney. Climb & top speed is a little faster ;-)
@onelife11 - your English is better than my not-english.
"The Avanti's turboprop engines are placed on a mid-fuselage, high aspect ratio wing, located behind the cabin. The design utilizes both a T-tail and a pair of small, fixed anhedral forward wings that lack control surfaces.
"The arrangement of the wing surfaces allows all three to provide lift, as opposed to a conventional configuration, where the horizontal stabilizer creates a downward force to counteract the nose-down moment generated by the center of gravity being forward of the center of lift."
unless I do a reasonement, you just tells nothing to me, so please, argument your point of view, because you are "reason will prevail". my argument is that the position of the wings are so backward, and the pressure centre must be far from the nose, another thing, i'm a pilot, please, answer me.
@onelife11 I am a pilot as well so you are not really impressing anyone with that knowledge.
1. The design of the airfoil on the horizontal stabilizer and the anhedral cannard are such that all three airfoils provide lift. (Thus the cannard provides lift to keep the nose up.)
2. The shape of the body itself, as per the designers of the avanti, allow it to produce lift as well. The designers state that as much as 20% of the total life is provided by the body of the aircraft itself.
that answer is what I expect when someone talk to me, that is a very good answer. I think we both have reason, because in my first opinion I said that it had to be difficult to do the mass&balance and you are corroborating my opinion, but in other better words, so maybe I´ve had a english language confusion because i'm not english.
@onelife11 I am implying that the aircraft does not have a weight and balance problem. I believe that when designing an aircraft the engineers take into account weight and balance. If the aircraft had an extreme aft CG then the aircraft would be difficult to recover from a stall.
you say: "@onelife11 I am a pilot as well so you are not really impressing anyone with that knowledge." Let me say the last 2 things I'd like to say about this discussion, and is that I wasn´t trying impress anyone, I'm not like that, I just thought you were a internet wanker, but I see you aren`t. The other think is that next time you talk to me do it in spanish, and you will understand what I mean when I say it is difficult to transmit the exactly ideas from my brain to yours. fly a lot.
@onelife11 - It looked like a perfect 3 point landing to me. A lot of certificated aircraft, specify a 3 point landing. The Piper Seminole comes to mind. By the way- Who spoke you to taught english. I hope you are using a translator, because if not you grammer needs work.
why would you want to turn this into an anti american issue???...i hope that your new year is filled with misery and pain...i hope and wish for you cancer and unspeakable anguish.
Such a cool nose down landing. I guess the canard has advantage on nose pitch, so not too much problem. But, looks scary... Really complex structure to handle. Do P180 pilots get trained separately? Because, it must be difficult to handle the canard wash.
nice video. The only problem with the piaggio is that it dosen't have a great payload to range. I heard also it doesn't like the ICE on the canard. But I have to say it is sexy.
Actually, for a turboprop, the payload / range balance isn't bad. Remember, the average mission for the P180 is about 650nm, which means you can fill the plane with passengers and baggage, and fly with very comfortable reserves.
As for the problems with moisture and ice on the foreword lifting surface?? The P180 pilots I've talked to tell me that it's just one of those quirks that you learn to deal with. Nothing that is very problematic.
distinctive sound, I guess thats one way of putting it, i was going to say loud and ugly sounding. I am told its because of the exaust going into the props. That apart one heck of a plane!
Read some of the lower posts about possible interaction between Piaggio and Avtek. I worked on the Avtek 400 back in 1985 in Camarrillo, California.
They were two completely different companies which employed similar designs. To my knowledge, there was never any communication or sharing of information between the two companies.
I remember when they filmed the Airwolf episode. Fun stuff!
Great video of my favorite airplane. I had the pleasure of working on the first full scale mock-up of the Piaggio Avanti back in 1982 in Dallas, Texas.
Got to met Alex Mizzoni, Chief Engineer at Piaggio at that time and major designer of the Piaggio P -180.
Beautiful airplane, genius design! Most fuel efficient turboprop in the air today.
Wow..., I just barely remember a "canard-on-top" configuration from years ago, I'm sure it was this Avtek 400 I saw on television or a magazine somewhere along the way (Wikipedia has it in the "Eagles" episode of Airwolf).
Wiki lists the first flight of the 400 as 9/1984 and the Avanti as 9/1986. Look at the engine configuration of the Piaggio P.166 that flew in 1957. The Avanti is possibly an evolution of their P.166 design or possibly they did some work with Avtek. Interesting...
The design for the p180 is largely the result of LearJet's involvement in the development of the plane. Gates LearJet was in partnership with Piaggio back in the 1980's in development of the original Avanti, but both companies wound up with financial trouble, and Lear pulled out.
Almost identical appearance? In a fun-house mirror, maybe.
There is no relationship with Piaggio and AvtekAir. The Piaggio was designed YEARS before the Avtek and actually began as a partnership with Lear.
The Avtek proof of concept aircraft is still parked on the ramp in Camarillo, CA. Avantair, the largest operator of the P180 in the world has an FBO and maintenance base there so I taxi past the Avtek 400 often. It hasn't moved in years, it has no engines and it looks like it's dying.
Yeah I forgot about the upper stubby wing on the Avtek. My ex worked at Avtek for a time. I thought the management were mostly shysters. It had a op-error gear up landing once in Camarillo with the press present. Oops!
i work for signature flight support in Athens, Greece.. a couple of days ago I handled a Piaggio 180 Avanti.. the first thing I thought was... "hey, a plane with a mustache!!"
It came in fast and, from what I could see on the original Digital Video, there was a slight flare. Possibly a pilot of one of these can answer your question better.
I was really glad to finally see one of these approach and land. I was especially happy because I had my camera on hand; I hadn't brought it up but then recognized the distinctive sound of a canard turboprop which fortunately had me flip up my camera and start recording.
Twin 5-bladed props will have that "viper" sound which is also a solid giveaway. I spotted one of these @ KGEU a couple years ago (different tail #), but never got to see it fly. Sweet plane indeed. Best part is pilot/PAX comfort as the engine noise is mostly behind the plane.
Very nice aircraft. where was this filmed?
Superstreak1 1 month ago
LOVE the Piaggio. Witnessed two approaches in the last year; one at Boeing Field (Seattle) and one at Bob Hope (Burbank). I'm a sucker for pusher/canards.
nashdp 2 months ago
The most beautiful airplane in the world!
jweldy2 3 months ago
One comes around every once in a while at KFRG. I get so excited when I see it.
manonthemoon516 4 months ago
I was set up behind one a few days ago on approach to KPRC. Definitely a very cool looking airplane
HunterPilot24 4 months ago
The flying lawn mower
rap1800 6 months ago
Very nice video, but for what it's worth, both 109 and 145 are Avanti Is, not IIs, as your titles at the end say. Otherwise, very nice shooting.
@jmister22 - if flaps down, approach at 130kts, touchdown at 120. If flaps mid, approach at 140, touchdown at 130kts. If in icing/contaminated wing, add 6kts to those numbers.
Teller1900 6 months ago
Looks like Livermore, ca
TheNorCalKidd 7 months ago
They appear to land bloody fast. What sort off speeds are they coming in over the fence at?
jmister22 7 months ago
Leave it to the Italians to make a plane this beautiful and functional. 19gals an hour? Even I know that is impressive. I wonder how it handles compared to other dual turbo props.
terranborn56 8 months ago
@terranborn56 per engine?
superskullmaster 4 months ago
P.S. One might have their own personal taste in which plane is "prettier", but the Starship only compares to the Avanti in that it has pusher props and the cabin noise should therefore be lower. It falls behind the Avanti in both other respects, efficiency, and cabin room.
Zelig2u 10 months ago
One more benefit of the inherently better longitudinal stability of the Avanti, is much less need for a flare at the landing!
Zelig2u 10 months ago
The 3rd desired quality, fuel efficiency, resulted in 3 lifting surfaces. Most planes are built with a natural "nose heavy" condition and then the elevator (with trim) is used to push the tail down. These 2 counter-acting forces give the plane longitudinal stability so the nose doesn't bounce up and down, but this creates more drag = wasted fuel. The Avanti uses 3 lifting surfaces, one at the nose, the main wing, and the horizontal stabilizer, creating a natural longitudinal stability.
Zelig2u 10 months ago
I noticed several comments referring to how there was hardly any flare at landing. There were 3 main goals when this plane was designed: 1) Cabin space for better head room and elbow room (it outdoes every other plane in its class in this respect, including straight turbine powered planes), 2) lowest possible cabin noise (hence the pusher configuration on the props to get the prop noise to the rear and moving away from the plane), and 3) fuel efficiency, hence the 3 lifting surfaces.
Zelig2u 10 months ago
If I could get a gig somewhere that would help me finish my PPL, get my multi and IFR ratings.. I would happily sign a 5 year contract and work like slave admiring my ass in the right seat until the time to re-up my contract for more ratings/certifications. I absolutely adore flying. and the Piaggio just looks like a wonderful plane to fly. I have just user 20 hours for PPL, not soloed yet, but soon. I just want to fly. A lot. Then Build myself a Columbia type for personal use. No sweat.. lol :(
l3thDisciple 1 year ago
I think this is one of the prettiest civilian aircraft ever built, along with Concorde.
pdutube 1 year ago
Wow they fly that straight into the ground. No AOA or flair.. kinda like bringing a 172 down.
PotholesInMyLawn 1 year ago
That landing was awesome, hardly a flair to be seen. I spotted and photographed one parked at Marco Polo, Venice. They are common there obviously as the italian airforce has 15 of the type and they are also used by the Carabinieri. If I had the money this would be the aircraft for me.
irishrover63 1 year ago
I dont think iv seen a better landing! ever! iv got over 1,000 personally and damn, i dont think iv ever had one that smooth, and i fly single engined light aircraft. well done!
rpkollb 1 year ago
Iv seen maybe 4 of these in the last year at KMSN. awesome planes, and sexy!
rpkollb 1 year ago
Gorgeous airplane!
G56AG 1 year ago
Perfect Landing
junkey1988 1 year ago
the nose is just like that of a cat with whiskers. and he does not flare much
MrVinney96 1 year ago
the nose is just like that of a cat with whiskers
MrVinney96 1 year ago
Cool video. You have some rare birds on film. :)
airmanjayl 1 year ago
I wonder what the approach speed was just before landing ( 3:47 - 3:55 ) ?
It seems to be quiet fast. No reduction of engine was heard,
Good Landings to the pilot
andreasjakobliepe 1 year ago
Wow. Pretty fast landing speed.
MrMKH2010 1 year ago
I see one of these flying over St. Louis occasionally
MrMKH2010 1 year ago
take a look at 2:26 the props stand right.
mads2402 1 year ago
4 years! I knew the P-180 was fuel efficient, but I didn't expect the Avanti II to have such an efficiency upgrade!! ;-)
...just Kidding! as a Piaggio airplane lover, I keep collecting more and more data about them!! (P-180, PD-808, P-166, P-149, etc...)
mariopilot808 1 year ago
the Italians know how to mix beauty and function!
brion2010 1 year ago
Two weeks ago @ KFRG (Republic Airport), I was standing adjacent to the approach end of runway 19, inside NFI's hangar entrance when the unmistakeably-distinct sound crackled through the air. I turned around, looked up, and saw... the Avanti on short-final for one-niner.
An impressive airplane which indeed turns heads at airports everywhere! What a sound... what a sight! This aircraft is something pilots don't see flying around every day. A treat.
skyyguyy 1 year ago
Love the update, thanks. This is still one of my favourite videos.
102trafalgar 1 year ago
Looks like that cockpit would have fantastic visibility.
-jcr
NSResponder 1 year ago
You don't see these vary often. One was sitting down at KMKC today and after a couple minutes, another one landed and parked next to it. Two at the same airport FBO on the same day.....
Procionlabs 1 year ago
@Procionlabs I've got a pair that will just about trump it. Two Beechcraft Starships, same airport (KLVK), same day, but different times. Alas..., the first Starship waited as long as he could and departed just before the second one arrived. Search Google or YouTube for "Starship Times Two" -- pretty cool!
paralleler 1 year ago
@Procionlabs @Procionlabs - The I consider myself very lucky. I fly a Piper Warrior out of KPIE (St. Pete, FL) often. Avantair is on the north side of the field, where they have fractional ownerships and training of pilots in the P-180's. I see these things all of the time, I often fly in the pattern with them. On approach they sound like a screeching Osprey. They are an extremely cool aircraft. I never get tired of seeing them - they are amazing. The Beech Starships are awesome too!
FLjock01 1 year ago
@Procionlabs Down at KOJC(Johnson County Exec.) there was a Avanti first time ive ever seen one at KOJC. Its been coming in and out of KOJC alot lately I dont know why thought.
maverick967 1 year ago
@Procionlabs My instructor tells me one comes to Salt lake municipal #2 every day at 5:00
Stinklikeabee 1 year ago
@Procionlabs got you both beat...A Starship is based almost in my backyard...Meacham Field in Fort Worth, Texas
shooteraod 1 year ago
I love this Plane! I use nearly all the time in X-Plane 9 (simulator).
MiawcheMiaws 1 year ago
I have flown the Avanti once from the right seat and ridden in the back several times.
Amazing plane - the 3 lifting surfaces (forward wing, wing, and tail) make weight & balance fairly forgiving. It's typically not flared much on landing, hence thatt seen in this vid.
Pitch and roll are pretty stable, which makes sense in a serious IFR plane. Landing it was not much harder than a Mooney. Climb & top speed is a little faster ;-)
@onelife11 - your English is better than my not-english.
L123Alpha 2 years ago
@L123Alpha Its weird but very cool
AmericanGi370 1 year ago
@onelife 11
"The Avanti's turboprop engines are placed on a mid-fuselage, high aspect ratio wing, located behind the cabin. The design utilizes both a T-tail and a pair of small, fixed anhedral forward wings that lack control surfaces.
reasonwillprevail 2 years ago
@onelife 11
"The arrangement of the wing surfaces allows all three to provide lift, as opposed to a conventional configuration, where the horizontal stabilizer creates a downward force to counteract the nose-down moment generated by the center of gravity being forward of the center of lift."
reasonwillprevail 2 years ago
It has to be difficult do the mass and balance, I can see when is landing, it results impossible pitch the nose up
onelife11 2 years ago
you have no idea what you're talking about...
reasonwillprevail 2 years ago
unless I do a reasonement, you just tells nothing to me, so please, argument your point of view, because you are "reason will prevail". my argument is that the position of the wings are so backward, and the pressure centre must be far from the nose, another thing, i'm a pilot, please, answer me.
onelife11 2 years ago
IF YOU HAVE EYES, look at the nose, it needs a second estabilizer to balance the enormous weight caused by the body of the plane.
onelife11 2 years ago
@onelife11 I am a pilot as well so you are not really impressing anyone with that knowledge.
1. The design of the airfoil on the horizontal stabilizer and the anhedral cannard are such that all three airfoils provide lift. (Thus the cannard provides lift to keep the nose up.)
2. The shape of the body itself, as per the designers of the avanti, allow it to produce lift as well. The designers state that as much as 20% of the total life is provided by the body of the aircraft itself.
reasonwillprevail 2 years ago
that answer is what I expect when someone talk to me, that is a very good answer. I think we both have reason, because in my first opinion I said that it had to be difficult to do the mass&balance and you are corroborating my opinion, but in other better words, so maybe I´ve had a english language confusion because i'm not english.
onelife11 2 years ago
@onelife11 I am implying that the aircraft does not have a weight and balance problem. I believe that when designing an aircraft the engineers take into account weight and balance. If the aircraft had an extreme aft CG then the aircraft would be difficult to recover from a stall.
reasonwillprevail 2 years ago
you say: "@onelife11 I am a pilot as well so you are not really impressing anyone with that knowledge." Let me say the last 2 things I'd like to say about this discussion, and is that I wasn´t trying impress anyone, I'm not like that, I just thought you were a internet wanker, but I see you aren`t. The other think is that next time you talk to me do it in spanish, and you will understand what I mean when I say it is difficult to transmit the exactly ideas from my brain to yours. fly a lot.
onelife11 2 years ago
@onelife11 - It looked like a perfect 3 point landing to me. A lot of certificated aircraft, specify a 3 point landing. The Piper Seminole comes to mind. By the way- Who spoke you to taught english. I hope you are using a translator, because if not you grammer needs work.
audioentertainment 2 years ago
I'm not using any translator, just my knowledge. In fact, I'm stuying english, and you see my level is medium.
onelife11 2 years ago
great plane...but it is lacking in the flight deck and interior finishings.
jjjazzycraig 2 years ago
Sure, if your used to american crap interiors.
drsteverey 2 years ago
why would you want to turn this into an anti american issue???...i hope that your new year is filled with misery and pain...i hope and wish for you cancer and unspeakable anguish.
jjjazzycraig 2 years ago
Such a cool nose down landing. I guess the canard has advantage on nose pitch, so not too much problem. But, looks scary... Really complex structure to handle. Do P180 pilots get trained separately? Because, it must be difficult to handle the canard wash.
envisage150 2 years ago
Those great plane come in hot! We call 'em flying catfish. LOL! Love that plane! 5*****
TrainTrackTrav 2 years ago
one of these just flew over :) loud weird sound they make!
rcplaneguy1 2 years ago
wow whats that plane at 3:27 ? LOLOL crazy looking!!!
youngfart40 2 years ago
It's a distant cousin of the Avanti -- a Burt Rutan design called the Quickie.
paralleler 2 years ago
@youngfart40 That aircraft is called a dragonfly(pretty obvious isn't it?)
pixal8tedmess 6 months ago
oh my god ... i just saw an Avant Air airplane start under it's own power instead of using a GPU ... is that legal?
alane2526 2 years ago
There is nothing in the POH nor the AFM that says you can't, although I don't know Avantair's SOPs... But we do it all the time.
vinceAV8R 2 years ago
nice video. The only problem with the piaggio is that it dosen't have a great payload to range. I heard also it doesn't like the ICE on the canard. But I have to say it is sexy.
lucutes 2 years ago
Actually, for a turboprop, the payload / range balance isn't bad. Remember, the average mission for the P180 is about 650nm, which means you can fill the plane with passengers and baggage, and fly with very comfortable reserves.
As for the problems with moisture and ice on the foreword lifting surface?? The P180 pilots I've talked to tell me that it's just one of those quirks that you learn to deal with. Nothing that is very problematic.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
One came over my house in San Diego this morning on approach to Montgomery Field. Distinctive sound and, of course, appearance.
chiefof 2 years ago
distinctive sound, I guess thats one way of putting it, i was going to say loud and ugly sounding. I am told its because of the exaust going into the props. That apart one heck of a plane!
youngfart40 2 years ago
Read some of the lower posts about possible interaction between Piaggio and Avtek. I worked on the Avtek 400 back in 1985 in Camarrillo, California.
They were two completely different companies which employed similar designs. To my knowledge, there was never any communication or sharing of information between the two companies.
I remember when they filmed the Airwolf episode. Fun stuff!
sculptair 2 years ago
Great video of my favorite airplane. I had the pleasure of working on the first full scale mock-up of the Piaggio Avanti back in 1982 in Dallas, Texas.
Got to met Alex Mizzoni, Chief Engineer at Piaggio at that time and major designer of the Piaggio P -180.
Beautiful airplane, genius design! Most fuel efficient turboprop in the air today.
sculptair 2 years ago
nice filming :)
GuineaPigNitro 2 years ago
Many thanks! Yep..., gotta' love them planes.
paralleler 2 years ago
This plane reminds me of the defunct Avtek 400. All most identical appearance, and performance. I wonder if the design was sold to Piaggio.
RDasher2 2 years ago
Wow..., I just barely remember a "canard-on-top" configuration from years ago, I'm sure it was this Avtek 400 I saw on television or a magazine somewhere along the way (Wikipedia has it in the "Eagles" episode of Airwolf).
Wiki lists the first flight of the 400 as 9/1984 and the Avanti as 9/1986. Look at the engine configuration of the Piaggio P.166 that flew in 1957. The Avanti is possibly an evolution of their P.166 design or possibly they did some work with Avtek. Interesting...
Thanks!
paralleler 2 years ago
The design for the p180 is largely the result of LearJet's involvement in the development of the plane. Gates LearJet was in partnership with Piaggio back in the 1980's in development of the original Avanti, but both companies wound up with financial trouble, and Lear pulled out.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
Almost identical appearance? In a fun-house mirror, maybe.
There is no relationship with Piaggio and AvtekAir. The Piaggio was designed YEARS before the Avtek and actually began as a partnership with Lear.
The Avtek proof of concept aircraft is still parked on the ramp in Camarillo, CA. Avantair, the largest operator of the P180 in the world has an FBO and maintenance base there so I taxi past the Avtek 400 often. It hasn't moved in years, it has no engines and it looks like it's dying.
jmaugham 2 years ago
Yeah I forgot about the upper stubby wing on the Avtek. My ex worked at Avtek for a time. I thought the management were mostly shysters. It had a op-error gear up landing once in Camarillo with the press present. Oops!
RDasher2 2 years ago
what was the aircraft taxing right before it cut to the avanti landing at 2:38?
robbig2525 2 years ago
It's a Quickie, another one of Burt Rutan's many designs. It's a modified canard and a cousin of the Avanti.
paralleler 2 years ago
i work for signature flight support in Athens, Greece.. a couple of days ago I handled a Piaggio 180 Avanti.. the first thing I thought was... "hey, a plane with a mustache!!"
vassgiak 2 years ago
The engineer who design this must be an out ball..
hawkeyeC4 2 years ago
Where was the flare, or are you supposed to land these flat?
htmlspinnr 2 years ago
It came in fast and, from what I could see on the original Digital Video, there was a slight flare. Possibly a pilot of one of these can answer your question better.
I was really glad to finally see one of these approach and land. I was especially happy because I had my camera on hand; I hadn't brought it up but then recognized the distinctive sound of a canard turboprop which fortunately had me flip up my camera and start recording.
paralleler 2 years ago
Twin 5-bladed props will have that "viper" sound which is also a solid giveaway. I spotted one of these @ KGEU a couple years ago (different tail #), but never got to see it fly. Sweet plane indeed. Best part is pilot/PAX comfort as the engine noise is mostly behind the plane.
htmlspinnr 2 years ago
i love this plane its freaking gorgeous
Vcast0912 2 years ago
Yep... Try a web search using: piaggio avanti ferrari
paralleler 2 years ago
i know i fly the simulator on my computer and it has one my gosh it is one sturdy plane
Vcast0912 2 years ago